Need pride update for pride month (150✅)

[keen aspen]

and leave me alone

hate isn't an issue with moderation

that moderation is good enough to prevent that

and the pride community is strong enough to not let the word of vile homophobes affect them especially in a digital space

a pride update does wonders to help actually show that lgbtq is normal to prevent future uneducated homophobes hating for no reason

pride never made it this far by just giving up because of homophobes

[worthy ether]

Over-exaggeration and hypothetical What-ifs that aren't based on reality? Man, you really got us with that argument!

[valid bobcat]

Yes it’s an over-exaggerated maybe but I am telling you with 100% certainty that it would cause drama with Christians in the community that think it’s a sin and just straight up homophobic people

Even if the stuff that I mentioned wouldn’t happen often it would still happen to some people making a toxic space for everyone and even making some people quit the game

It would make moderation harder to as when gorilla tag made its pride update multiple people got banned for saying being gay was a sin and there was drama about that

Yeeps as a whole would be better of without a pride update and I bet the devs have already considered the idea and vetoed it due to thinking for a second about what happened to gorilla tag when they did there pride update

I’m asexual I would love a pride update more than anything but I’m being realistic about this the update idea will never happen as we would have gotten pride cosmetics by now

[worthy ether]

We should totally cater to the hateful part of the community and avoid angering them at all cost.

I mean, look at Rec Room. They added a whole selection of hoodies, hats, profile badges and an official pride parade world and the community hated-...

Wait, what do you mean nothing happened after they did it? I thought it would've killed the game! They added so many LGBT+ items, how can this be???

Well, the game did shut down this year. It was probably because of the Pride update!

Except it happened in 2020, the year that most of the community called "the golden age" of Rec Room.

So @valid bobcat, how about we try being a little more positive and not siding with homophobes? The leopards are still gonna eat your face wether you wear the items or not

[cunning dome]

the "people" who thing being in the lgbtq+ community is a sin might be larping christanity. as in the bible itself (im pretty sure) it say " love thy neighbour"

alos isnt the point of christianty to spread love or some thing like that

as a christan i dont really care who you like as long as you dont make it what defines you

[magic yarrow]

Also not all christians are homophobic or racist

Ngl it says in the bible not to use gods name in a meaning of you cant be a bigot and say cuz of bible

[magic yarrow]

Nooooooo

Not godzilla

Im sorry im bad at typing

Ahora es tiempo muerto para deshacerse del cuerpo, supongo.

[steady relic]

I mean it does say that, but ive noticed a lot of people just ignore that :p

[valid bobcat]

Yes, that is exactly what you should do
So first of all, you didn’t address a single one of my points and actually you brought up your own point, which I can debunk
Firstly, the rec room community at the time like you said was in its golden age. No one was toxic, and I bet the rec room community at that time was a lot more accepting.
Now let’s see more example Gorilla tag when it had it’s pride it caused a huge amount of drama leading. Some people quitting for the whole update, and after gorilla tag started dying most of the community dispersed To Yeeps and animal company so if Yeeps did a pride update that would cause extreme drama

I am not signing with the homophobics but it’s basic business. If you do an update that only supports a small part of your community and would probably make more people quit than join because of it why would you do that? That would be a terrible idea and that is basically what you’re suggesting up on Yeeps if they were going to add a pride update, they would just be shooting themselves in the leg

Also, please be realistic. Yeeps is about to have it’s three year anniversary. If it was going to do a pride update it would’ve by now so making all these suggestions and saying that people are siding with the homophobic people is just plain stupid

So please, if you’re gonna try to make a response
A: actually try to debunk any of the points that I made instead of just making your own
B: look at it from a business standpoint
C: look at it from a realistic standpoint

[worthy ether]

I don't have to debunk anything. You're just stating things and not backing them up.

Why don't you try just not saying anything in the first place?

[valid bobcat]

First of all I did I made your point about rec room kind of pointless so I don’t know where you got that from

Second thing because you’re keeping hope for something that would never happen

[worthy ether]

Dude, take a step back and think about how dumb you're acting.

You're arguing because people want to hold on to the hope that Yeeps adds a pride update? How much of a self-hating ace can you be?

[steady relic]

Gorilla tag did it horribly and it was already very unmoderated

[lusty vine]

Can you prove:
people quit during gtag
The people who play Yeeps and are lgbtq are only a small amount of the community

What I can “debunk”
Looking at it from a business standpoint point and the fact we have evidence that gtag player count increased it diversifies the community and give support to those who are in the community and it would give Yeeps a more welcoming perspective to those playing.

Realistically it could happen the devs have changed their minds including with pbof which was seen as never gonna be added until there was a teaser in the sleeping update.

This is my perspective on this but I have to eat dinner and do training os I won’t respond to whatever you say

[valid bobcat]

How am I dumb? Genuinely explain I am curious.

I gave you points of why it wouldn’t be added
I gave you a realistic business standpoint to why it wouldn’t be added
I did genuinely everything I could the show why it wouldn’t happen

HOW AM I DUMB
Also, I am not a self hating Ace I just am realistic

[tight sky]

Hot damn

[worthy ether]

ignoring the fact that you're just wrong;

Why even mention it? if it doesn't get added it doesn't get added. We can still make the suggestions without the need for you to come and be a negative Nancy for no reason.

That's why you're dumb

[grand cradle]

If yeeps does this it probally won't be much better of what happend with Gorilla Tag. :/

[valid bobcat]

So first of all saying that I’m wrong is an opinion statement meaning that is an objectively true

Second thing, I’m not being negative. I am being as realistic as I possibly can be and being a realist comes with being negative

And the reason I am so arguing, even though it will never happen is because there are people that have hope that it will happen when it is a high likelihood that it will never come

[red lotus]

didnt they add a pride adjacent zipper once?

they could do something like that next update

[gentle wren]

I mean what hes saying isnt inheritely wrong

But its not also fully correct either

Since thats not possible to know

[forest sable]

We might not get it this year unless they add some stuff during the Sus update

[gentle wren]

I highly doubt they would

It wouldve happened earlier in June if it would happen

We gotta stop arguing over pride things nowadays

I already learnt that nobody is undoubtedly right and nobody is undoubtedly wrong

Its just a debate of two sides with fair points that cant prove each other wrong

[steady relic]

I mean if people stopped arguing for pride, pride wouldnt have come as far as it has

And its still not like great either

[gentle wren]

All the arguments will only give it a worse look in general

There is probably so many people who have seen the arguments in these suggestions, and decide its better to not have pride ingame at all

And that will only make the chances of having the pride many people want ingame continue to get lower

[steady relic]

I mean i guess

[gentle wren]

Theres already tons of people that already connect pride with controversy

Including myself

And that'll just continue to get bigger

[worthy ether]

That's some backwards ass logic you got there.

Less than useful.

[gentle wren]

I mean it definitely is not backwards

More arguments gives it a worse general look to people just viewing the suggestion

And most of the time the arguments just devolve into a waste of time mess with both sides trying to prove eachother wrong (its not possible)

[worthy ether]

"You know, talking about LGBT+ actually makes them more marginalised, we shouldn't talk about it"

[steady relic]

I mean like its definitely possible to prove like most of those points wrong i think

[gentle wren]

Im not saying talking about it, im saying arguing

Its constant fuss and has 0 purpose

And it brings no light to the actual suggestion

[worthy ether]

I've proved every single person that comes into the pride suggestions to argue wrong.

Idk what you're talking about

[gentle wren]

All these suggestions are known for is arguments and thats probably not the best look

[steady relic]

Ove?

[steady relic]

Ohh ive

[worthy ether]

😭

[worthy ether]

That would really suit you, huh?

[steady relic]

I thought for a second some guy named ove proved everyone wrong whenever i wasn't here

[worthy ether]

You were one of the first ones complaining about pride suggestions

[brittle acorn]

No there’s a big diversity in yeeps so if they add that it might ruin the coummity

[gentle wren]

Theres a reason I dont come here to debate about pride anymore

Because I realised its absolutely pointless

Its a 2 sided argument where nobody wins and just make the suggestion lose its actual purpose

[steady relic]

Hold on arent you here debating now tho or smth?

[gentle wren]

About pride?

No

[worthy ether]

because you never actually make a point, you just keep saying "waow, both sides have a lot to say" and then leave for a day or two only to come back and complain that people are arguing with you.

[gentle wren]

Why would I make any points when someone from either side will just come ramble with me and we'll end off where we started

There is no point

[worthy ether]

Exactly, so why don't we just skip the middle man and you stop coming back?

Since you seem to hate it so much to talk in here

[gentle wren]

Because I like viewing suggestions

[worthy ether]

You can definitely do that without talking.

[gentle wren]

I like talking about suggestions

[worthy ether]

I don't get your point

[worthy ether]

But you just said it's useless

[gentle wren]

Genuinely trying to help these suggestions even though I personally dont agree with them

[gentle wren]

I like talking about em

Not arguing

For something ultimately meaningless

[steady relic]

I mean like aint there a lot of other ones

[gentle wren]

Yea

And I view them

[worthy ether]

Except you're not. You just come over to fence sit and say "Wow, homophobes and homosexuals are both wrong!"

[steady relic]

So why here

[gentle wren]

Well, these suggestions are more active + theres so mamy of em

[worthy ether]

Do you have zero impulse control?

[gentle wren]

Both sides are always wrong because they try prove eachother wrong with the same arguments over and over again when ultimately that has like no effect on either side

All it does is just give the suggestion a worse look

[worthy ether]

Correction; homophobes keep using the same arguments and we keep defending against those same points over and over

Don't try to spin it

[gentle wren]

Theres so many people who disagrer with these suggestions because they are controversial, and the arguments that happen in these suggestions kinda show that

[gentle wren]

0 spinning done

Im seen arguments in these suggestions and participated in many

Ive*

[worthy ether]

You said "both sides are wrong"

How are we wrong?

[gentle wren]

Both sides will always be wrong when you're just using the same arguments and counters to each other

[worthy ether]

exactly.

[gentle wren]

Ive seen the whole gtag argument 50 times in these suggestions and it always just leads to arguments

Which makes the suggestions look worse

I mean, if you really want that, you can have it

But if I was the one making pride suggestions that'd just give it an awful look wouldnt it

Seeing my suggestion have like 50 arguments

[worthy ether]

The Gtag argument boils down to "Gorilla tag died because pride" and us responding with "no, here's the data that shows it actually went up in players". Rinse and repeat

[gentle wren]

And very rarely someone comments about the topic

[gentle wren]

And ultimately this is meaningless

And does nothing to help the suggestion

So like

[worthy ether]

Way to blame the victim there, how am I responsible for the homophobes ambushing my suggestion?

[gentle wren]

Never said you was

[worthy ether]

how is it not helping the situation? I'm debunking their point.

[steady relic]

The gtag argument is really stupid because the community was a whole lot worse, really unmoderated and they executed the update horribly

[gentle wren]

Theres just better ways to deal with it then just arguing and making the suggestions look bad and controversial

[worthy ether]

Should I just let them continually post misinformation in my suggestion and just shrug?

What are you suggesting here?

what is this magical solution you're offering?

[gentle wren]

You ignore it the first time, then if they keep going you either report it or then give a response

Guarantee you most likely they'll say one thing then leave

Would bring so much more light to the actual suggestion

[worthy ether]

Except they keep coming over and over. Just like you.

[gentle wren]

I learnt it was pointless and dont even argue about pride in those suggestions

And others need to learn the same

If ya really want some of these suggestions to actually come to life having them be a cesspit of arguments is not the best first look into what ppl say about the suggestion

[steady relic]

How do we not have them be a cesspit of arguments tho

[gentle wren]

You do this

Many people will just say "it wont happen cuz gtag" then leave

But every time its entertained

And that leads to arguments frequently

Aswell as people saying its against them cuz of religion

If you js dont entertain it guarantee alot of the arguments would be avoided

Then you can actually focus on the suggestion itself

[worthy ether]

but I have ignored it multiple times already, that's why I'm at this point. The same people keep coming back with the same talking points regardless.

Reporting works for clear harassment, but a lot of what's happening in these suggestions is borderline enough that mods won't act on it, so silence just lets misinformation sit unchallenged.

[gentle wren]

Then why not just keep ignoring it?

[worthy ether]

Look at Sir Mayne; Months repeating the same incorrect points with no repercussions

[steady relic]

Misinformation is really bad tbh

[worthy ether]

Seriously?

[gentle wren]

And If they keep coming back saying the same stuff why should you entertain that

[steady relic]

Because other uneducated people will read it, think its true and there will be yet another person making the same wrong statement

[gentle wren]

Surely thats what they want

[steady relic]

And it gets to a point

[copper socket]

I cannot wait for the update so I can larp as susie from deltarune🥹

[gentle wren]

Depends on what they say I suppose, but it is much better then having the suggestion known for being an argument cesspit

[worthy ether]

Because ignoring it doesn't make it stop, it just means there's no correction sitting next to the misinformation for anyone else reading the thread.

[gentle wren]

Like if someone keeps coming back saying "no cuz gtag" just ignore it

Like people can say whatever opinions they have aslong as its not homophobic ofc but if you entertain it literally almost every time it removes light from the suggestions themselves

I have almost 0 idea anymore of what these pride suggestions actually suggest

Because its nonstop people arguing for or against pride

And I can guarantee many people also will have 0 clue anymore

Allowing arguments in suggestions is such a bum rule

[lusty vine]

if they didn’t you could just ban bait?

[gentle wren]

?

[copper socket]

they mean like you could bait someone into an argument on purpose

[lusty vine]

Baiting someone into argument and then pinging mods because they’re arguing and the bait could be as simple as “I disagree with this suggestion”

[gentle wren]

Mods can go through the context of the convo since it started (as they should)

If its obvious you're just trying to make someone argue then they can get ya

[lusty vine]

Yes but simply saying “I disagree with this” and not be able to list the reasons why it’s good without being banned would be bad imo

[gentle wren]

Well thats not an argument

You can say things that oppose what people say

But then again, that wouldnt be that bad

If someone just says they disagree and leaves

[copper socket]

literally thought your tag was the midnight horrors dc idk why

[lusty vine]

Yes but it would be impossible to tell who started it

[gentle wren]

It would be better to just not entertain it

[worthy ether]

For a moment I forgot who I was talking to; here's the "neutrality" Loniii shows btw

Waste of time.

[gentle wren]

Btw

I said I dont do this anymore

Multiple times

But you just disregard it?

I dont argue in pride suggestions anymore, I admit my wrong in the past with me arguing in them

About pride

Won't be speaking about pride

[worthy ether]

So what about this?

[gentle wren]

In these suggestions no more

This isn't even about pride

[lusty vine]

I mean now if we hadn’t argued you’d still be against pride updates right?

[gentle wren]

Its about not making pride suggestions a cesspit

[gentle wren]

I still am against them, but im not actively going to say reasons I disagree because it always leads to arguments

Which I realised, are pointless

The suggestions are about the SUGGESTION

Not personal opinions

[worthy ether]

Reminder that you said homophobes have good points against it.

[lusty vine]

Isn’t a suggestion just a personal opinion you want in the game like “I think this would be good”

[worthy ether]

and that we can't prove them wrong

[gentle wren]

I said nobody is fully wrong and nobody is fully right

[worthy ether]

even tho we have

[gentle wren]

Because its true

Its a topic that just always sparks debate and argument and there's not a fully right or wrong side

[worthy ether]

Except when it comes to discrimination. This is the easy stuff, man

[gentle wren]

And no, i wasnt meaning homophobes, I was meaning people against the pride updates

For non homophobic reasons

Each side has fair points, but they always have the same responses

Which leads to no good for the suggestion

[gentle wren]

Yeah but stating my opinions on wether pride should be in the game or not is not the main topic of for example @worthy ether pride suggestion

[worthy ether]

One side keeps saying the same points, the other just keeps answering them with the facts (which are still the same because facts don't change)

[gentle wren]

The main topic is the actual items and stuff

[gentle wren]

I mean you can see it like that

I already know you are fully on one side

[copper socket]

see one thing I want to say here your average yeeps player WOULD probably react negatively

[gentle wren]

I take more of a neutral standpoint now

Ive given points but also seen points that oppose your side that I personally see as valid

[copper socket]

since there is a lot of kids on yeeps most of them don’t go into depth on stuff like lgbt topics and when they hear the word “gay” they just think “bad”

[gentle wren]

So id never be "wrong" in my own eyes

[gentle wren]

Which will happen to many people

[gentle wren]

See this is the issue

Getting passive aggressive

[copper socket]

believe me I’ve seen a wilds lobby where a ton of people were paint griefing pride flags into american flags

oh and now is everyone ignoring my point thats just great😔

[gentle wren]

Well thats pain griefing and reportable

So

Report

Paint*

[copper socket]

you could’ve edited it but ok

[gentle wren]

Cba

[gentle wren]

Idk what this proves

Because its true

Both sides argue with eachother no matter what

[covert plover]

yea

[worthy ether]

That's literally the joke. "Both sides argue" is true of every conflict ever, including (as the comic shows) Nazis vs the people pointing out Nazis are bad.
The comic isn't about whether arguing happens, it's about whether assigning equal blame makes sense when one side is clearly wrong.

[gentle wren]

Well your opinion isn't the clear answer

[covert plover]

well one side isnt clearly wrong

[gentle wren]

You just assume everyone who disagree for example is homophobic

[worthy ether]

Discrimination is always wrong.

[gentle wren]

(From what ive seen)

There is no definite right or wrong to these debates

So just dont entertain them

Because at the end of the day it comes down to opinion wars

[worthy ether]

Not really, one such example is TFSVR, who I know for a fact isn't. I still disagree with him.

[gentle wren]

You can disagree but you should acknowledge the fact that there is no definite right or definite wrong

[worthy ether]

Just because I (correctly) call out people for being homophobic doesn't mean I don't for everyone.

[steady relic]

Tbh even if it isnt homophobia, its still kinda weird to "disagree" with pride

[gentle wren]

Well yeah, but people have reasons

And some reasons they cant just change

[covert plover]

Discrimination is a whole separate thing which is wrong. i'm talking about respectful treatment between people and their arguments

[gentle wren]

And everyone should atleast ACKNOWLEDGE the fact there is no definite right

Theres an ideal

But there is no right or wrong

Except homophobia

Ofcourse

[steady relic]

I mean, i guess like religion could be a reason but i dont see any other reason

[covert plover]

yea

[worthy ether]

Except in this case one side is asking for unequal treatment (hiding them) of another.

[gentle wren]

And that is a pretty huge reason to be honest

[worthy ether]

So....

[gentle wren]

I see tons of people say it

And when we argue, we are basically just trying to say theyre wrong

[worthy ether]

Religious people aren't forced to be gay. Doesn't mean anything LGBT+ adjacent should be hidden because of them.

[gentle wren]

When that won't change their stances

Its just 0 point

0 gain

0 good for the suggestion

[covert plover]

one side is saying that "Hey we don't really support that stuff because of our religion so could you not add it"

[steady relic]

Tbh all i really want in yeeps is for people to at least know what trans is so i dont get asked "why do you look like a girl but sound like a boy"

[worthy ether]

They're the ones coming to a pride suggestion and arguing it's wrong. You're getting it backwards

[gentle wren]

Yeah, and when they do that, as ive been saying.... ignore it

If they say they disagree because of religion

Just ignore it

Their opinions wont change

It does 0 good for the suggestion

[worthy ether]

"Hey guys my political stance doesn't really like black people can we please move them somewhere else? 🥺"

[worthy ether]

So why should I ignore it? why aren't you arguing against them to ignore it?

Why are we giving the oppressors free reign over speaking their bigoted minds?

[gentle wren]

Because how am I meant to tell tons of people to ignore the pride suggestion

[worthy ether]

By telling them when they do.

[gentle wren]

You have a pride suggestion and its very much easier to tell one person then tell like 50

[worthy ether]

To ignore them.

[gentle wren]

Trust me, id tell them to not argue

[grave gust]

No

[gentle wren]

But its not possible

[worthy ether]

💋

[steady relic]

Idrk

[gentle wren]

If I had the option to stop them arguing trust me I would

Ive already learnt what I need to know

[dusty wren]

They already said they won't do this

They already said they won't do this

[gentle wren]

If I could, id make arguing punishable

[worthy ether]

You can still tell them, because I'm not letting misinformation go unchecked in my (or anyone's) suggestions.

[gentle wren]

Having a religious reason for example wouldnt be misinformation

And if you entertain that

[worthy ether]

Once, 3 years ago. And in that same time they said "No, the desert biome was scrapped. We won't add it"

[gentle wren]

Youre digging your own grave

[worthy ether]

Religion discussion is against the rules.

[steady relic]

This is like the only evidence supporting that claim

[worthy ether]

A game shouldn't dictate what gets added based on a specific religion.

[gentle wren]

Stating it as just a reason for disagreeing wouldnt be punishable

Until it becomes an argument

[worthy ether]

check the pinned messages in my suggestion

[gentle wren]

It was on a pinned comment somewhere that having religious reason to disagree is fine

[worthy ether]

you'll be surprised

[gentle wren]

Just if people say they disagree for a reason that has sense behind it then dont entertain an argument

Just because you disagree

0 good

[worthy ether]

You're still getting it backwards Loniii 💜

[gentle wren]

Dont see where its backwards

[worthy ether]

They can just ignore it and not start an argument in the first place

[gentle wren]

Yeah and I agree with that, but is that realistically gonna happen?

[worthy ether]

So because it takes a little extra work we should just let people start arguments?

[covert plover]

see in that case it is real life and heavily effects people, but in a video game that's meant for people to just causally play its different. In Yeeps non-representation isn't a huge deal and doesn't impact people as much as, in real life, moving an entire race cause some people don't like that race

[keen aspen]

Yes

[gentle wren]

There would be no argument if you never entertain it

[worthy ether]

Except there would be, because they constantly come back

example A; Sir Mayne.

Since the suggestion was created he would keep coming back for months

[gentle wren]

And then just keep ignoring, if they give reasons with sense behind it theres no point to start an argument

[worthy ether]

Got a slap on the wrist at most

[gentle wren]

If its homophobia, report it

Boom

[worthy ether]

Jesus Christ Loniii

[gentle wren]

Be responding you allow the argument to even start

[worthy ether]

You'd be a terrible conflict resolution specialist.

[gentle wren]

By*

[dusty wren]

Still they wouldn't add a whole update for this

[covert plover]

like you didnt discriminate towards Christianity multiple times and only got a week ban

[gentle wren]

Arguing against everyone who disagrees with your suggestion doesnt help it at all

[worthy ether]

"Hannah, I know Josh has been flirting with you constantly but when you react you're creating an argument! Just keep ignoring it!"

[dusty wren]

It would be a waste of a update

[gentle wren]

Even though im not one for a pride update, Id prefer to actually speak about what it theoretically could be instead of it being argument central

[keen aspen]

It's so stupid how y'all will just come to a suggestion and if it's about pride you're allowed to drop misinformation, biggotted "opinions" and say it will never happen, but when it comes to like any other suggestion y'all actually talk about what's being suggested

[worthy ether]

Show me. Show me when.

[covert plover]

the messages are gone now but i remember

[gentle wren]

Obviously homophobic stuff is awful yeah

But if people just say "I dont agree with this suggestion because of my religion" just dont respond or say ok and move on

[worthy ether]

@gentle wren Notice how @dusty wren didn't get an answer so he immediately pinged me again and repeated the same message

[gentle wren]

Instead of causing the 83rd argument

[keen aspen]

Like you didn't dox someone as well as send animal whimpering sounds in a conversation about animal abuse

[worthy ether]

LMAO called out

[covert plover]

1. didnt dox anyone?
2. that was a misunderstanding

[gentle wren]

Well you did respond to them, so yeah theyd respond back

I cant speak for everyone

[keen aspen]

I give a short response to stop the misinformation

[worthy ether]

no I dodnt

[gentle wren]

Personally yeah he shouldn't do that

[worthy ether]

omg this keyboard...

[gentle wren]

Well the msg he replied to was you replying to him

So he prob wanted an answer

Idk

[keen aspen]

1 you did 2 it wasn't

[covert plover]

see i was bored so i sent some rando audio a record like the morning before the argument

[gentle wren]

But if you never entertained that to begin with... it wouldnt have happened

See

[worthy ether]

talking about this

[covert plover]

and i made a noise that sounds close to a whimpering animal on accident

[worthy ether]

top and bottom

[lusty vine]

Normally I don’t argue with you but saying someone discriminated against a religion with absolutely no proof is a bad thing to say

[keen aspen]

If we let everyone who goes and says this won't be added because of gtag people would probably start believing it

[gentle wren]

Maybe they forgot to reply idk, this is why its easier for me to just say it to people like you who own the suggestion in the first place

[worthy ether]

The ban they're talking about was also false, they removed it after I made a ticket because it didn't qualify as religious hate speech

[covert plover]

k so for 1 i was using a proxy to use in school so when logging into discord the IP was in poland so it thought it be funny to pinger burned and say "oo im gonna find you /j"

[gentle wren]

Because itd be impossible for me to go to everyone who disagree and say "dont do this it'll cause an argument"

I would if I was some all seeing being

[worthy ether]

It was then removed after I made a ticket for it.

[keen aspen]

You were active in the conversation and trying to make a fool of yourself, it's clear you sent it on purpose

[gentle wren]

But sadly im not

[lusty vine]

Quotes and is false according fungus

Quotes means it was false or a lie in my view

[worthy ether]

Do it when you see it then. Since you come to these suggestions so much you should be able to catch a few

[gentle wren]

Yknow I did try before

[keen aspen]

That would still give many people a scary tho, doing that is not cool whether it's fake or not

[gentle wren]

But most of the time when I check, arguments already have happened

[covert plover]

yea thats on me lol

[covert plover]

9 am. the argument was at 3 pm i think

[worthy ether]

I'll make sure to tell them to ignore the suggestion next time

If that doesn't work I'll ping you so you can try

[keen aspen]

You were talking during and before the conversation

[gentle wren]

Or just ignore it if they say something related to gtag or religion (which is literally always)

[covert plover]

and if you watch the full thing i go "I CaMe in LiKe a WRECKING BALL"

[keen aspen]

You were even there for the creation of It

[gentle wren]

Easy argument avoided

[covert plover]

that was at idk 1

[gentle wren]

🥁

[gentle wren]

Why are we talking about wrecking balls now bro

What has this devolved into

[keen aspen]

Your so right we should let misinformation fester so when people look at the suggestion to formulate an opinion all they see is hate and falsities

[keen aspen]

It was with clear intent twin

[covert plover]

being so fr i did not mean that

[keen aspen]

There is like no hiding it

[gentle wren]

Or they can just see the actual suggestion, see people actually talking about it, and also see reasons people disagree and agree and formulate their own opinions on that

Instead of seeing nonstop arguments

[covert plover]

like no joke here i would not send that audio

[gentle wren]

With 0 upside

And instantly thinking

"This is obviously controversial"

Which instantly makes them against your cause no?

[keen aspen]

🤨

[gentle wren]

What did you do

Son

[covert plover]

also can u send link to that post

[keen aspen]

It's hard to talk about the actual suggestion when people such as you sirmayne and a few others keep lingering in them and causing arguments whenever possible

[gentle wren]

I realised that, and dont cause arguments over it anymore

[keen aspen]

Wasn't the audio deleted by a mod

[covert plover]

yea

also #1495505279675269293 message

[gentle wren]

But also, the people always defending pride need to realise always entertaining every argument doesnt help it

[keen aspen]

And what are you doing here rn

[gentle wren]

Not arguing over pride

Im trying to make people stop arguing in the suggestions

For 0 reason

Its stupid

And has no upsides

For either side

[covert plover]

and it was at 2pm

[keen aspen]

Your still arguing

[gentle wren]

This never was meant to be an argument

[keen aspen]

There is plenty of reason that debates and arguments need to happen

[gentle wren]

I agree

But

The issue is

With pride suggestions specifically

Its never about the actual suggestion

Its about if pride shoild or shouldnt be ingame

Not about the items

And thats stupid

[keen aspen]

And who are the people doing that

[gentle wren]

If people disagree, they should js say they disagree because reason then js leave

But people always entertain it

By "proving" them wrong

And it ruins the suggestions

[keen aspen]

Because pride never got this big by staying silent

[dawn hornet]

Just add 500,000 pancakes and 500,000 waffles and see what’s the best

Trust

[keen aspen]

Real

[gentle wren]

(Pancakes)

Waffles are so mid

[keen aspen]

Waffles

[keen aspen]

We have to try to stop misinformation but I always js keep a screenshot a basic arguement against it and use that

[gentle wren]

If its an obviously wrong argument then its fine to correct it

[keen aspen]

Arguments are hard to avoid because pride is means so much to the LGBTQ community

[gentle wren]

But I see so many people say like religion for example

And people try to correct it

When there is nothing to correct

And its just breeding arguments

[keen aspen]

With religion it shouldn't even be brought up

[gentle wren]

Like even though im personally against pride suggestions I still like talking about what they could be

[gentle wren]

If people say they disagree cuz Christian like

Just ignore it

Because genuinely nobody does

And it almost guaranteed leads to arguments

[keen aspen]

AHH yes

[gentle wren]

Trying to prove someone their own religion is in the wrong is just pointless

Because its not gpnna change their views

Gonna*

[keen aspen]

"I disagree with black history month because I'm this that and whatever"

Pride may not mean much to you

[gentle wren]

Well bhm is pretty different

Like

I could be wrong

[keen aspen]

But it does to us

[gentle wren]

But idk of any religion for example that disagrees with being black

Maybe im wrong

Or stupid

Idk

[keen aspen]

Christianity had a big slave thing

[covert plover]

maybe a cult but i dont think any do

[gentle wren]

Literally everything had a big slave thing at that time tho

[covert plover]

it say how to treat your slaves as that was popular in its times

[keen aspen]

But newer denominations moved away from it

[gentle wren]

But like if someone disagrees for a reason that will not change and you know that

[covert plover]

very common misconception tho

[gentle wren]

Wether you think its right or wrong

Just dont entertain it

Itd be so much nicer to see people talk abt the suggestions

[keen aspen]

Reasons can always change

[gentle wren]

Most likely for religion that will not happen

And most likely thats an argument

[keen aspen]

It doesn't just say that

[gentle wren]

Theres already like so many people who don't want pride ingame because it is controversial

And those arguments prove it

[viral willow]

Yeah same with Judaism, Hinduism, etc.

[gentle wren]

And that shouldnt be the case

[keen aspen]

Pride shouldn't be controversial

[gentle wren]

It always will be controversial but we can try have it not be

If someone disagrees just let em

Ignore it

Move on

Unless its homophobia

Ofc

[keen aspen]

It's the uneducated and homophobic who come in trying to intentionally start up things

[gentle wren]

It brings no good to the suggestion

If its homophobic report it

[covert plover]

doesn't directly say that but the whole thing of Christianity is to love everyone and slavery isnt very loving so eventually people came to the conclusion of its saying how to treat slaves as that was normal back then

[gentle wren]

If its people who dont know much just correct them at most once but if they keep going on just ignore it

Because its clear they wont change

[keen aspen]

When someone is dissing your identity you're going to get pretty mad

[gentle wren]

If someone is actively hating on it just report it

?

[keen aspen]

That's what we do

[gentle wren]

After like 8 different messages exchanged

[keen aspen]

But with the inconsistencies of moderation

They are left to thrive

[gentle wren]

So dont take it into ur own hands then

Just ignore it if thats how they are

[keen aspen]

As I have already said if someone is dissing your identity you probably would want to find out why

[gentle wren]

You wanna make people agree with the suggestion but its impossible when the first views is just arguments

[gentle wren]

If its obviously going to lead to arguments just ignore it

Genuinely the better option

[keen aspen]

I would and already mostly do

[gentle wren]

Then thats great

[keen aspen]

The only ones I argue with are persistent people

[gentle wren]

Other active people in pride suggestions need to take notes from you

[covert plover]

and they literally knew it was unintentional

[viral willow]

What the hell? The give you a reason for warnings but not bans?

[covert plover]

fr

they give like 2 sentences

and like the 1st time they didnt even warn me

like there is 1 valid warn

in all the times there was only one thats valid

[viral willow]

What did you do?

[covert plover]

remember when you said "horsec__k"

[viral willow]

No?

What 😭

[covert plover]

#1504234554934820954 message

[red lotus]

in the fix moderation thread is crazy 😭

[viral willow]

Oh

[red lotus]

mods doing ANYTHING but answering tickets

[covert plover]

i quoted it and sent it to flesh

besides that everything was false

[viral willow]

I was banned with no warnings and denied the message that was wrong on appeal, then after the ban duration I made a ticket asking for what I did that was wrong… and the ticket was closed 😭

[covert plover]

ask boko

[red lotus]

rough

[covert plover]

at the among thing on Thursday

[red lotus]

was it an automatic close or a manual close?

[gentle wren]

Mods vs tickets

Lowkey if you close a ticket an reopen it after a little bit it usually gets a response

Idk why

Works for me

[viral willow]

I did but he can’t see my DMs for some reason and when I’ve already asked him in server I don’t want to again

[viral willow]

I think inactivity

[gentle wren]

I never get a response for like almost 24h then I just close and reopen

Then within a few hours it magically gets a response

[covert plover]

keep asking till he responds, thats what i did

[viral willow]

I’m not going to be annoying to Boko

[covert plover]

i mean it works

mostly

sorry boko if your seeing this

[viral willow]

Also they can’t deal with prev bans so there’s no point if I can’t get my roles back

They just don’t do that currently

[pallid quail]

Gort

[velvet vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-today-today-deltarune-realese-dance-gif-480092671422614917

[faint surge]

gorilla tag does it every year and people don’t care anymore

[languid oracle]

The problem of this (and not trying to be homophobic ) is that most of the players who play Yeeps are religious & are at the age of at least 6 - 14. When Gorilla tag added pride update most of the kids parents complained about of it shows pride month at a young age & also put the market stock at its lowest.

[worthy ether]

This is a wild exaggeration that's not based on reality. There's no proof to your claim that most players are religious.
Even if they were; Why are they trying to impose their beliefs on others? Why should yeeps cater to them? They can just not interact with the update if it bothers them.

There's nothing wrong with kids knowing about LGBT+, saying otherwise shows your bias.
And even then, Yeeps (and Meta in general) doesn't allow anyone under 10 to play, if parents ignore the age rating and give their young kids a headset that's on them. It's not TRASS' problem to deal with.

[gloomy raptor]

“NOOOOO!!! HOW DARE YOU SHOW MY CHILD THIS LBTGQ STUFF!!! STOP CONDITIONING THEM TO BE GAY!!!”
this is exactly what my friends parent said when they complained about gorilla tag including lgbtq. that friend is no longer allowed to play gtag. he plays yeeps now. many other parents will most likely complain. it sucks because so many of them dont understand the concept.

[worthy ether]

That's a mental illness. Those parents aren't right in the head.

[gloomy raptor]

unfortunately most parents were born in the early 2000s and earlier and due to the topic not being very popular during their childhood, they havent been properly educated as to why its not a bad thing to be lgbtq

it sucks because they see it as “wrong” and “manipulation”

but hopefully within the coming years parents will be educated

the older their children get the more they have to deal with it

because there a defo a lot of closeted lgbtq kids

or even ones that don’t realize it yet

dont get me wrong i’d love to see pride in yeeps

but its currently way too risky

[pallid quail]

@old isle ban him he's wrong 😏

[lavish fractal]

?rule8

[lament silo]

:no_entry_sign: Rule 8 — Don’t Ping Devs

Use public channels first. Only ping mods when necessary.

:pushpin: Read the full Server Rules here — don’t risk a ban over something silly!

[pallid quail]

It's not a dev click on it

[pallid quail]

I've been here for a while I know not to ping devs

[rapid trout]

...

[gloomy raptor]

vro thinks hes tuff

[lavish fractal]

Can y’all shut up already 🫩

[rapid trout]

noe

[gloomy raptor]

no

[digital kernel]

Honestly this is a silly game about pillows people building things it doesn't need representation of anything not just pride like it doesn't get updates for the 4th or any other specific holidays to country's/cultures and Honestly they should keep it that way if you want like Pride flags you can build one

[steady relic]

Christmas

Easter

Not good points because of it being centralized and the original meaning doesnt have too much involvement in the current society but eh

[digital kernel]

Yhea but those are celebrated by lots of people and aren't specific to any culture

[digital kernel]

Ok the they still didn't get updated for like black history month, women's history month or jahm

So y just pride

And still doesn't need any of that if you want it make it yourself

[steady relic]

Because currently, tbh pride is the thing that is probably most hated on by society, and literally any support helps a lot

And im not saying not to add the other stuff, that stuff would be great too

[digital kernel]

And again y do we need any of it thow just make it yourself and it is not the most hated thing in most countries

[steady relic]

I mean expression by building pride-related stuff is not the same as getting support from a pride update from the devs

[digital kernel]

So them going out of there way to be more supporting for people in the community isn't enough like what will even be in the update besides some cosmetics and no one wants a pure cosmetic update and again yeeps is about stuffed animals building it should stay as far away from stuff affecting the real world as possible

[steady relic]

If it is just cosmetics, it could be tagged onto another update

[serene cosmos]

skipibi tolot

[digital kernel]

Real

[steady relic]

Also im lowk kinda sick of people saying like "yeeps is just a plush game" or smth like that because

1. There are people with emotions, vulnerabilities and issues behind those plushies
2. Literally any game can be boiled down to like 2-5 words, like for example "fortnite is just a shooting game" "gtag is just a gorilla game" "roblox is just a lego game"

[steady relic]

Yes lesbian skibidi sheldon, skipibi tolot

[digital kernel]

Ok but thats not my argument here its a vr game for all ages to have fun and not think about real stuff y do we need anything about any of the holidays I brought up so far i didn't like the Christmas and Easter updates for the same reason a large part of the player base doesn't want to be reminded of real things of any kind y add pride when we can already make things like that just so people can ware a flag

[digital kernel]

Lesbian skibidi Sheldon is tuff ngl

[steady relic]

I mean the christmas and easter updates were mostly because of it being a holiday and for fun, the pride update would be because of pride month, and because a fair portion of the yeeps community is lgbtq and some of those could really help with some support from the devs

[digital kernel]

Yhea and thats fine ig but they devs are already supporting them and what will it add to just slap pride addition to the side of the box it will just as much as some random brand adding a rainbow to the logo it whoud honestly be better if the just made the moderation system better to get rid of the people makeing people fill like they need a pride update

[steady relic]

Its like 2 AM for me rn and im barely comprehending anyhting rn but making moderation better would only fix the stuff happening inside yeeps

There would still be a lot happening outside of yeeps so that people still need the support

[digital kernel]

Yes and that is bad but yeeps can only affect what is inside of yeeps and in my opinion it's different for everyone company's saying they support you mines nothing what will actually make a bigger difference is individuals and if they make the community better more of they individuals who can actually support will be there slapping pride addition on the box does nothing makeing it an actually safe place for people in those communities does everything (thanks for coming to my ted talk)

[steady relic]

Honestly, for me atleast, like companies at the size of trass games showing support is better than an individual showing support

But like if its a company at the size of youtube, spotify or roblox it kinda feels more like something they say because of purely a business standpoint

[digital kernel]

So 3 dudes and a pr team that are actively trying to sell you something makes more then the same 3 dudes and pr team making what they make more accepting for you but not selling anything maybe if the update didn't have anything paid ig still dont like how it buts rell stuff in yeeps but it will even for me make it fell more genuine

[steady relic]

Ok look no offense but like, the lack of punctuation is really hard for my tired ass brain to read so ima just go

Byee

[errant viper]

So what's happening

[digital kernel]

Bye was fun debating with you

[errant viper]

Yeeps players are people

[digital kernel]

Yes they are???

When did i say they aren't

[errant viper]

You said that this is a game about stuffed animals but yeep are people

[digital kernel]

That doesn't mean I said they aren't people and that was i statement I admit was not the best way to put it and changed???

[worthy ether]

Saint Patrick's Day.

[digital kernel]

Yeeps had a saint Patrick's day update???

[worthy ether]

They always have an event during Saint Patrick's Day...

[wind lodge]

They added a leprechaun outfit big dawg

[digital kernel]

Yhea well I never knew that mb

[keen aspen]

yas

[keen aspen]

revive

[rapid trout]

-# but its not pride month...

[steady relic]

Theres always next one

[rapid trout]

-# ok

[steady relic]

And it doesn't have to be added during june

[rapid trout]

-# it'd make sense if it was

[steady relic]

I mean yeah ig, but better a pride update than no pride update

[rapid trout]

-# o