yeeps platformed

[hidden salmon]

this is a qol update to fix many issues with the companion app
1: Computer Companion ((((((NOT PCVR I REPEAT NOT PCVR I'M TALKING TO THE X SPAMMERS HERE YEAH YOU)))))): an expanded companion for PC and Mac. Allows for buying buttcoins, items, building maps, recording and more from a PC, removing the fault that lies with trusting google phones with an entire video kit
2: Compatibility Fixes: Make Companion install from PLAY on more phones
3: Loadoff: a way to offload yeeps rendering to a PC. ((((((STILL. NOT. PCVR.))))))

[stable oriole]

I think loadoff would be good, but having companion on pc would be able to cause modders

[hidden salmon]

Oh my god, I have had this conversation so many times. For the last time, the companion app is literally just a thing that makes you float around with a head or cameras. How is that a modding risk, for god's sake? Do you have any idea how this works?

[drifting girder]

is bro being fr?

[hidden salmon]

What does it look like?

[drifting girder]

it works the exact same way someone mods in literally any other game

there's no option to change people's colors in yeeps
so how do you think modders did that
-# hint: look at their title

[hidden salmon]

They did that using a VPN, which has nothing to do with the mobile app.

Or they used metadata, which is a meta bug and nothing to do with YEEPS itself.

[drifting girder]

and what makes you think that wouldn't also be possible on a pc?

I don't think you understand how modding works even tbf

[hidden salmon]

It's possible on a VR headset. The platform has nothing to do with it.

[drifting girder]

the platform has SOMETHING to do with it actually
why do you think people mod pc games more commonly?

it's because pc's allow you to manage files and stuff far easier than meta does

[hidden salmon]

You do realize that Unity binaries are notoriously hard to mod if you don't let it inject random DLLs. DMA (direct memory access) is ridiculously hard, so you might as well not even consider it.

Also, modifying files—have you heard of this thing called SideQuest, mate

[drifting girder]

since you want to claim I don't know enough
I'll show you what steve had to say about putting yeeps on other platforms

[hidden salmon]

gAlso, I know it looks like I'm AI generating replies right now, but it's just how my voice-to-text types.

[hidden salmon]

When did I say "steam"?

[drifting girder]

ofc he said for vr and steam
but the same concerns apply

[drifting girder]

again, the same concerns apply between steam and pc in general

[hidden salmon]

I never said PCVR. I literally mentioned it twice: not PCVR. I meant offloading rendering to a PC, not the entire game.

By doing that, you get rid of the gnomes problem. Obviously it is still there, but it is just less giant.

regarding the computer companions: that is something completely different. Computer companions is just a better version of the companion app for more capable hardware.

[drifting girder]

sure having it outside of steam might make it slightly better
but just because you use another platform, doesn't mean it cannot be modded

[hidden salmon]

It's not a PC VR thing, for God's sake.

[drifting girder]

it being vr changes nothing lmao

hell, I didn't even mention vr in that message

[hidden salmon]

It's a companion app, for God's sake. When did I mention it being a full game?

[drifting girder]

that's why modders MOD it

I don't know what you don't get

[hidden salmon]

Also, must I do everything in my power for you to accept a .app?

[quartz sentinel]

Yeeps studio

Are the devs still adding Yeeps Studio?

[hidden salmon]

It isn't a full game! Also, they don't mod the companion app; there's no point in that. Literally, the most dangerous thing a companion app can do is make purchases, but that still needs the VR version to approve of it.

[hidden salmon]

What on earth is Yeep Studio?

[drifting girder]

"there's no point in that"
trolling, ragebait, etc etc

[hidden salmon]

It doesn't even have a voice API. What can one do with a dismembered head in a VR game about plushies?

One without any vocal cords, no less.

[drifting girder]

pay attention this time
if they mod (modify) the game
they can do more than just the companion app would allow
just like how they did the exact same thing in the past

[quartz sentinel]

A way to build on the mobile app and have it saved

[drifting girder]

modding doesn't come from system that already exist
they modify the game to allow themselves to do things they once couldn't

[hidden salmon]

We have no clue how the API actually works, so we can't re-implement stuff. If they start letting implemented APIs back in, that's entirely on the devs for leaving them in.

That's just someone poking around and flipping a bit. That's nothing special; that's called flipping a boolean. Ever heard of it?

[drifting girder]

lotta talk for someone who doesn't understand how modding a game works 💔

@viscid chasm you explain this
idk what bro wants me to say atp

[hidden salmon]

Excellent, I'm pretty sure you're just a poweruser-phobe who just wants people to rage with budget Android Go Edition phones.

[drifting girder]

we're js making up terms atp 🥀

[hidden salmon]

No, it's a completely real thing; it's called Google.

Are you Google?

[drifting girder]

phobe?

that's a real thing?

okay bud

[hidden salmon]

I forgot to add a hyphen.

But anyway, you're still making actual good things happening to Yeeps really difficult here.

[drifting girder]

didn't realize modders were a good thing

mb

[hidden salmon]

This isn't allowing modders. For God's sake, how difficult do you have to make this?

[drifting girder]

you still don't understand, do you?

okay explain to me how modders delete maps, change people's colors, etc

[hidden salmon]

You aren't understanding the concept: if someone implements the entire thing in a limited environment, that's on the person that implemented it.

[hidden salmon]

That's the glitch with Meta's user data, and that has nothing to do with the game itself; that's just called messing around with metadata.

Because Newsflash, the game doesn't actually have its own data storage. It just relies on meta users.

[drifting girder]

okay so what would stop them from doing that same thing on a computer?

[hidden salmon]

That's the thing: they do that on a computer. But they already don't need the full game to do that, because that's the thing with the metaverse. You're not doing metadata on a Snapdragon XR chip; they're already doing that on computers.

[drifting girder]

or worse, actually getting cheats that do worse things?

[hidden salmon]

But they're already doing it, which means that's not the game's fault!

Axolotl, do you just genuinely hate people trying to get away from Android, specifically the Go Edition variant? Do you just hate them?

[drifting girder]

another question
why do vr and console games get less modders than pc games
think hard

[hidden salmon]

That's because they aren't hosted on Meta's servers, for God's sake!

The Meta platform really likes collecting data, and they store that data not very securely. and barely protect it from being messed with.

[drifting girder]

and so
you're saying modders haven't actually modified the game's files, correct?
-# or at least minially have

what about people who DO modify the game's files
that's way easier on pc
that's why people mod games ON PC

[hidden salmon]

Yes, that is true, because they're mostly just messing with how Meta handles the packets when the user's headset requests the color of their Yeep

[drifting girder]

just because you're a floating head doesn't mean you can't do anything
you can press buttons, vote kick people, etc

[hidden salmon]

While you are partially correct with that and it is easier, it's not very useful when the environment you're working with is already rather limited, so you can't really do much.

[hidden salmon]

Okay,

1. Vote kicking has been broken for god knows how long.
2. Button pressing. Since when is button pressing a big issue? You can just kick the mobile player.

[drifting girder]

it seems limited, but afaik you are basically a vr player

[quartz sentinel]

https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1505687376536666163

[drifting girder]

"since when is button pressing a big issue" idk ask any CW that uses buttons in any way other than just opening doors

and vote kicking.. isn't broken?

[hidden salmon]

Now you can:

1. Build and save maps (which is basically just Yeep Studio)
2. Record (which is just the current companion app)
3. Buy Butt Coins (which is just a normal thing you should be able to do on a companion app)

I'm just going to ignore that thing that the pink one just sent.

[hidden salmon]

I'm pretty sure it was broken last time I checked. Oh, wait a minute—I can't check because the mobile app's compatibility is broken.

(Okay, great. Voice-to-text is making my speech look like AI again with the em dash spam.)

[drifting girder]

building just makes things worse tbf
the griefing potential is through the roof when you're a floating head
especially if you modify the game to, I don't know, automatically float through wilds to destroy everything?

[hidden salmon]

You can only build in your private world rooms.

[drifting girder]

maybe that would've been a good thing to put in the original post
still doesn't make things a lot better

[hidden salmon]

And even if I were to say you could go to Wild, wouldn't it be obvious that I would include the cooldown for Griefing that already exists in the base game?

[drifting girder]

away from the modding issue for a minute (since you just hate using logic and reasoning)
building on pc just takes away from the building in the game, no?
why would I build a whole map on my vr headset, when I could just build on my pc way easier

[drifting girder]

I don't grief enough to know about any griefing limitations

[hidden salmon]

If you destroy too many of others' blocks, it gives you a cooldown where you can't break any other blocks for an increasingly long amount of time, depending on how many times you trigger the cooldown.

I haven't personally seen this, but I'm pretty sure youd also get warned eventually.

[viscid chasm]

They’re comparing custom lib to toggling a bool?

[drifting girder]

ah

yeah I don't speak dweeb

english please tiny

[viscid chasm]

A bool is a value stored as an on or off

[hidden salmon]

I think you don't understand. If the developers (in this case, Trass) leave the entire full game just lying there and someone enables it by flipping a conveniently placed boolean, that's entirely on Trass Games.

[viscid chasm]

Enable what?

[drifting girder]

well yeah you said toggling
I can infer that
and ig I can mostly infer what a custom lib is
but for future reference, make more sense

[viscid chasm]

Library’s “lib” allow you to inject code into an apk, this is how mod menus are able to work

[quartz sentinel]

I improved the yeep plush

[hidden salmon]

Look, if Trass Games just sets up the mobile build to be the full game but with a flipped boolean, someone can just flip it again during runtime when it checks that and—whoop-de-doo—you have the full game! Who would have guessed?

[drifting girder]

go ragebait in your own thread

the grown ups are talking

[viscid chasm]

You would need to completely rebuild to game, it wouldn’t be a public bool… it would be a hardcoded profile check

You would need to decompile and recompile the entire game and switch it to Android

[hidden salmon]

Ah yes, a hardcoded profile check where you just flip the boolean in the binary and whoop-dee-doo, you have the full game. It's not that hard considering that it would have to know where to put that, so you could probably decompile it and figure out where it checks.

[viscid chasm]

How are you going to decompile the game?

[hidden salmon]

Yes, as if tools do not exist for this.

[viscid chasm]

😭

We are just saying random stuff atp to sound right

They don’t use a free obfuscator

[drifting girder]

I think that was their plan

[viscid chasm]

Otherwise this game wouldn’t be around

[drifting girder]

"why don't they just turn the flip flop on the hydrometer to make it so yeeps can't have modders 🥺"

[viscid chasm]

You realize if the game had been decompiled people would modding left and right? They could have full access to everything and bypass every check

[hidden salmon]

How much clarification do I need to make you realize that not everything that has the word "computer" or "Mac" in it is a bad thing?

[drifting girder]

that's true, computers are pretty good actually
unfortunately, they're also really good for modding

[hidden salmon]

First of all, that isn't even a cat. Second of all, unfortunately the Quest 2 is a computer.

Oh no, you can mod on the Quest 2. It's a modding device, so we have to mod it. Don't we know, Axel? Obviously we do, because you can technically mod on it if you go onto the...

[drifting girder]

if they could just flip the switch to stop people from modding the game, they would
but since they can't, they haven't put the companion app on pc
-# which fyi, star creators have access to, so it IS something they've considered

[drifting girder]

basically everything is a computer
you know the distinction and acting like you didn't know what I mean does you no good

silence thyself at once

[hidden salmon]

oh no the quest is a computer you can mod on it quick ban it oh nooooo isn't that right axolotl yeah yeah isn't it

[viscid chasm]

Good luck getting past attestation

[hidden salmon]

i mayest not

[drifting girder]

windows and meta os are completely different operating systems
for someone who acts like they know a lot, you seem to know very little about these things

[viscid chasm]

Unless you have a computer it’s basically impossible

[hidden salmon]

meta os IS ANDROID

[granite peak]

if I may, what is attestation?

[viscid chasm]

Skin of Android

[viscid chasm]

attestation checks the apps binary with a token, if it’s different or not it sends different methods

So you can see if your app has been altered

Unless you remove it

That’s how you bypass

[hidden salmon]

windows is the microsoft ad system, horizon os is metas version. same thing, except one is ntos and one is android

[drifting girder]

"same thing, but they are different"
very helpful, thank you

[granite peak]

ohhhh

[viscid chasm]

Yeah, compare the fencing

[granite peak]

ok ty

[hidden salmon]

they're both heavily anti user annoyware

just one needs sidequest

and one needs dma

[viscid chasm]

You don’t need SideQuest

You can patch it straight to the headset if you’ed like

[drifting girder]

this might be a bad comparison
but I've modded bonelab on both quest and pcvr
I can CONFIDENTLY say the steps for doing it on pc are easier
-# modded more than just adding content I mean

[hidden salmon]

the problem lies with unity

[drifting girder]

does it?

[hidden salmon]

it blindly loads in any dll

[hidden salmon]

yes

too bad it happens to be the only one with gorillalocomotion

[drifting girder]

so why does basically every relevant multiplayer game have some level of cheating

on pc

[viscid chasm]

Meta has heavy fencing to keep you from doing anything malicious

[hidden salmon]

because they blindly load dlls

[drifting girder]

yet on console
suddenly there aren't any modders usually

[viscid chasm]

This was patched and a huge part of 6000

Outdated

[hidden salmon]

pc could but convenience always wins

[hidden salmon]

... literally how does gtag modding exist then

[drifting girder]

bro hasn't considered that there are more ways to mod 😭

[hidden salmon]

it still loads dlls

[viscid chasm]

.dylib bypass

Otherwise it won’t load by default

Just make sure your mod loader supports