the coding update

[next shell]

there is honestly to much to put in 1 suggestion so i put it in a slide
slide: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IdI9jLHWHxMkU7TSvfnuypJw_25T-TOMF8nJOQmJavU/edit?usp=sharing
time it took me to make it: 3 weeks
I would appreciate any help
I did take some but click on the suggestion if you think I stole

[willow trout]

No

It’s not really

Code

It is only simply just wire blocks and

[tribal crest]

The whole point of wiring is so that it's beginner friendly

Also that's just the whole point of wiring

[next shell]

please dont say no if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything

[hollow siren]

Yall want updates?? If they do coding it would take like more than a month

[willow trout]

It’s a suggestion?

[tribal crest]

Bro it's literally the suggestion tab the whole point is for feedback 😭

[undone flint]

You can’t make a suggestion and say “don’t say no”

[tribal crest]

If you don't want people to say no, just don't post it

[next shell]

and the suggestion took me 3 weeks to make maybe say what i could improve instead

[willow trout]

You stole a suggestion and added block that already in the game

Even I could make a better one in three weeks

[hollow siren]

There is 25 coding suggestions

I doubt them “stealing” is wrong rn

[rain elk]

Nah

[willow trout]

He’s literally just took somebody else’s suggestion and put it in his suggestion

[rain elk]

This is bad

[willow trout]

And added nothing else

[next shell]

all the ones i didnt give credit to or tried to but couldnt wernt stolen and for the ones i did i gave credit

[willow trout]

You literally suggested pointless things

[next shell]

except for some stuff that whould do good to creativity

[undone flint]

Coding removes the beginner friendliness of Yeeps

Horrible suggestion tbh

[willow trout]

Coding suggestion better then this is the API API block

[next shell]

yeeps was never begainner freindly

[ripe grotto]

Wireing is hard enough bro

[ripe grotto]

Yes it is

[undone flint]

“Begainner freindly“😭 🙏

[ripe grotto]

That’s the whole reason home is a thing

[next shell]

then explain to me why i had to teach myself to play the game

[willow trout]

I mean, they can quite literally make a simple one like Python, but simpler and more easy to read

[ripe grotto]

Did you skip the intro?

[undone flint]

Still

Wiring is fine how it is

[next shell]

no just the tutorial tought me how to tag and place blocks

[ripe grotto]

There’s also mini tech webs for beginners

[next shell]

and thats al

l

[ripe grotto]

Yep that’s all you need really

[willow trout]

There’s just other people to teach you things

[undone flint]

The rest you’re meant to figure out through other people

[ripe grotto]

Also that

[willow trout]

The devs don’t need to teach you everything and then release you into the wild

[undone flint]

If they thought you everything it would get confusing

[next shell]

also this whould be a step up from wiring not for ppl that level this could be used for awesome things

[willow trout]

Wiring is better

You already have variables that is a huge upgrade

[undone flint]

Wiring was made so it was beginner friendly

They would’ve just added coding from the start if they didn’t want it beginner friendly

[next shell]

except this could let you change gameplay besides movement

[ripe grotto]

But we don’t need a step up

[undone flint]

Which is way too much

[next shell]

wiring is not begainer freindly

[ripe grotto]

Yes it is

[undone flint]

Yeah it is

[willow trout]

Yeah, I love it when I can change gameplay movements for no reason

[undone flint]

You learn as you unlock the Techweb

You learn that you connect a wire to a input and output

And then get into more complex blocks farther down the Techweb

[ripe grotto]

The more you unlock the more you mind expands on the games ability’s

[next shell]

no its not ive been trying to learn it alot and i have been playing sense 1.7

[undone flint]

So why do you want coding if you can’t even understand how to wire 😭 🙏

[ripe grotto]

Ok I’ve been playing sense day one and we don’t need this!

[undone flint]

You have 150 hours only 😭

The “Ive been playing since 1.7” doesn’t apply if you have 150 hours 😭

[next shell]

because i like how creative the community is

[undone flint]

🤦‍♂️

[next shell]

it does if you have lost accses to vr multiple time for months and for a while only had 15 mins a month

[undone flint]

No it doesn’t

[next shell]

yes it does

[undone flint]

That doesn’t change anything

150 hours is 150 hours

Regardless of the excuse

[next shell]

your claim is i havent been playing sense 1.7 even though i lost it

sometimes

[undone flint]

No it’s not

My claim is you saying you’ve been playing for a long time doesn’t apply if you only have 150 hours

I believe you played during 1.7

[next shell]

no it doesnt contridicts himself then does it again

[undone flint]

Gang

I’ll put it as easily as I can

It doesn’t matter

If you have

Been playing

Since 1.7

If you only

Have 150 hours

Think of it this way

Say Ive been playing since day 1

But I only have 5 hours

It doesn’t matter that Ive been playing since day 1

Because I’ve barely played the game

Which I haven’t btw that’s just an example

[next shell]

also 220 hours

[undone flint]

Cool

Your role says 150

[next shell]

no it says 150+

[undone flint]

Oh my god

Doesn’t change anything gang

[ripe grotto]

Gang your hours dosent matter

[dapper ginkgo]

Dewd no one cares that you’ve been playing since 1.7

[next shell]

My point is if I don't know how to wire

[willow trout]

There literally yt vids

[versed spoke]

We literally already have the wiring update, and about the slideshow. It must’ve took so long because half of the slides are just several words.

[visual wharf]

Honestly the wiring pillows would be peak for like puzzle maps

[verbal glacier]

private void Start()
{
Destroy(this.suggestion);
}

[thick rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1197017602770346077/1503192820628983808/laughing.gif

[agile sky]

read through most of the slideshow

most of it is compiling other ideas posted here before

little description too

anything that doesnt fall into that is either too nondescript to have any direction or is absurd

not to mention most of it is random stuff like making more terminal types purchasable

the fact it had to be shown through a slideshow instead of posted here just kinda indicates that there was no real cohesive vision to ask for

im also coming into this from the perspective of also wanting a coding update, albeit from the perspective of adding more capabilities to the wiring system to put it on par with the coding fundamentals in most engines (which you can see here #1499253708943261837)

this is to lead into the actual code blocks offered

now firstly the terminal appears to be a board that lets you have a programmed line of code and it spits it out as a block

i say that as if it makes any sense or that it would be intuitive to use at all

a lot of the other coding blocks are specific conditions or events that would make sense as gamerule signs or blocks in their respective tech webs like tokens

(which even then the token blocks offered as "coding" blocks are far too specific)

[agile sky]

as shown in this idea i also dont like event detection being something you have a specific block for each individual event because theres hundreds if not thousands of events you could detect and not only would that be pricey and nightmarish to navigate in full but its not scalable as a format

there are also some blocks offered like a metronome (which we'll gloss past the fact it exists in the music tech web to denote beats or loops) which could just be easily replicated with wiring with a looping pulse or just having a pulse that goes off consistently after a point in time in a match if you want to count until a certain point

while i'm all for compressing commonly used circuits down into blocks both to simplify circuits and make it easier to understand for new players a lot of these dont really accomplish much nor do they do anything of note

im like half certain they were added because you read a specific suggestion thread halfway 2 months ago and from memory wrote down the basic premise in a sentence in the slideshow

also i assume you link where the suggestion threads are but if you try clicking on the section to bring you to slide 3 it brings you back to slide 1 instead so i couldnt read it

its not even like the ideas really make sense for a coding update and it's like 30 slides until you get to the coding blocks

like you have gadget mastery for no reason here

[tribal crest]

K

[dapper ginkgo]

That sounds like a you problem

[verbal glacier]

Literally the most un-intuitive way to make it

I already had a system ready for this, it used scratch blocks but to code you just placed them down in a way where they connected. Sure you could only make a code line 64 blocks long… but this forced you to optimize using loops and functions, actually making you learn those components instead of making terrible unoptimized code

Booleans and Events could work if they were like 10 a pop tho

That is assuming they group some, not making un-necessary ones

-# like instead of making a break event for every breakable block, just make one break event that can be colored

[agile sky]

i'd prefer having new wiring blocks that fulfill what that coding interface is capable of

and largely speaking scratch is more limited than yeeps outside of like displaying sprites and moving them

(which yeeps makes up for in a plethora of other places)

dont get me wrong you can make a lot of games and stuff with scratch but it is shocking how little there is

easily one of the most complicated things with scratch is organization since theres no structure or framework since theyre all embedded in different sprites and scenes and they can barely communicate with one another

i have a lot of respect for people who do make stuff in scratch and its a good learning tool but im just saying it's not the baseline for a longterm programming system

[exotic musk]

I mean coding just doesn't sound like how yeeps would be

[agile sky]

thats what makes wiring and the circuits its capable of so interesting

[exotic musk]

its a pillow gorilla tag movement game for 10+

[agile sky]

the thing is that coding is just a series of tasks that a game reads out in a list to do actions

[verbal glacier]

This is easily falsifiable

But yeah I agree with the logic of wiring over coding

[agile sky]

wiring already does that, its just not as elaborate as it could be

[agile sky]

like i've done research when making my thread about object referral and event signals (having some experience with godot, not nearly enough to call myself remotely knowledgeable but still)

and i was shocked to actually see how little scratch had

now this is largely because its designed to be way simpler and easier to understand

but that does tend to have some drawbacks later on

[verbal glacier]

Even with how little it has, you can still make far superior things than yeeps lets you

Sure yeeps makes it super easy… but scratch allows for way more

[agile sky]

really all that scratch has over yeeps is display capability since its for a different purpose

all the logic in yeeps is there

and maps are stagnant

thats why i suggested introducing event detection and behavior changes in mine

[verbal glacier]

It gives you access to the rendering and game logic, which is why it allows for more

I don’t know what yeeps lets you do that scratch can’t do, besides vr support

-# but that’s apples to oranges

[agile sky]

i mean yeeps also has game logic with wiring its just that it cant inately interact with players without direct input from a button

while scratch lets you click or use keys

[agile sky]

(event signals would do this btw)

[verbal glacier]

Did you ever discover scratch’s pen tool?

That’s how most rendering is done

[agile sky]

i mean yeah that lets you draw a sprite

[verbal glacier]

I don’t even remember the last time I used scratches sprite renderer

They just let you make your own and do anything you program in

[agile sky]

i mean yeah im not really trying to compare yeeps in terms of visuals with scratch since that interface is largely different

player movement and inputs are already handled and you build the maps yourself

[verbal glacier]

Not just visuals, pen is used for the 3d rendering pipeline itself

[agile sky]

thats why im focusing on the logic aspect

im aware but comparing that is the apples to oranges

so its more useful to look at logic

like if theres if statements or logic gates

[verbal glacier]

Sure but that’s ease of access, not a “limit” like you suggested

Yeeps makes it easy to make stuff, but that doesn’t mean it’s less limited than scratch

Outside of rendering, the physics engine is all open to you, player movement and interaction + input are also all up to you

[agile sky]

its less limited from a logic perspective

[verbal glacier]

Also scratch allows for all logic gates to my knowledge

Because it has || , && , and ! They are can be made

[bright lark]

we don’t need coding

Wiring is supposed to be simple

[agile sky]

wiring is already complicated

we have d latches

also this coding update offered sucks

[bright lark]

takes 10 minutes to master

[verbal glacier]

Worst way to implement coding yet

[bright lark]

when wiring first came out I already knew everything because I’m just like that.

[agile sky]

should they add more wiring blocks instead of adding coding blocks

[verbal glacier]

Not it does not, maybe the gate itself… but not its use cases

[bright lark]

what other wiring blocks could they add tho

Well there is some

[agile sky]

cough cough #1499253708943261837

[verbal glacier]

NOR, NAND, etc.

[agile sky]

the coding blocks is a bit of a lie but it does add a major element of coding

which wiring doesnt have yet

STILL WIRING BLOCKS

object referral, event signals, and behavior changes

all individual wiring blocks

instead of one giant new system that doesnt work with preexisting circuits

[bright lark]

I still want invisible barriers tho ngl

[agile sky]

its better to make the wiring system more powerful than add a new one

[bright lark]

Not wiring related but still good

[agile sky]

i think from a game design aspect of yeeps as a building game its better for players to know what a barrier is and what isnt, plus if you hide barriers well theyre essentially invisible

[bright lark]

no

bad reason

also In creative invisible barriers would be visible so it would be easy to see in creative

[verbal glacier]

Glass has already been used for that exact purpose in official maps

Even the portal map did

[bright lark]

it not glass

It’s a barrier

a big one

and I don’t want invisible glass that’s bad

I want invisible team barriers

Well they don’t have to be team ones

Just normal ones will do

[agile sky]

also most "coding update" suggestions dont even say what they want added functionally that the wiring system cant currently do

[verbal glacier]

It was glass day one of the update, the first thing I did was touch it

Same with mountain pass or whatever it was called

[agile sky]

its not like the wiring system isnt capable of representing coding or the flow that a program reads from its code

[verbal glacier]

It was not a barrier

[bright lark]

Well then they changed it

[agile sky]

so i use my own suggestion of an example of features that you'd want to see

both that they should be wiring blocks because that's how yeeps coding works

but also what coding fundamentals that yeeps still needs

i do appreciate that the code blocks in this thread are explicitly stated and not just like Add coding lol it'll be like scratch

its just that most of them just arent actual coding

[verbal glacier]

Which don’t we have?

[agile sky]

well as i stated before we still need object referral, event signals, and behavior changes

theres likely more but that gets into advanced territory

that usually makes up the bulk of coding outside of the logic itself

and for event signals it does actually exist in the game atm

with daily quests and achievements

it is detecting when actions are made in yeeps but community world creators dont have access to it

despite that information being incredibly useful when making minigames

[next shell]

Brush I just got out from school

[agile sky]

yeeps often adds them themselves in official maps too with the varying ports on the sides of blocks

[verbal glacier]

That’s more OOP than coding fundamentals

[agile sky]

gamemode signs have up to 4 ports dedicated to detecting events

[agile sky]

that is true however i would say its a fundamental part of how yeeps' infrastructure works

ideally it should be a fundamental thing you understand if thats how the structure of the project is

and a fundamental thing you learn

coding fundamentals is just a fuzzy term it could be cut off at any point

zero clue what a regex is but some sites say it falls under a coding fundamental

even so it's a very important part of game programming that does exist in the game so it'd be nice to see it be given to players

now THATS how you suggest a new coding feature

[verbal glacier]

Object Oriented Programming

Coding Fundamentals are generally:

1/0, Vars, data structs, flow controls, methods (I don’t think I forgot any)

OOP does add to these

[agile sky]

yknow what i might be mixing up engine fundamentals and coding overall

since game engines are kinda built for the objects to be organized and as such object oriented programming is usually whats intended for those engines to work

[verbal glacier]

Yeah, but most people use OOP anyways so that makes logical sense

[agile sky]

either way distinguishing objects in code and detecting the behaviors they do is a major aspect of game development

which is more of a signal thing than a method thing since methods exist in the same script

you can add methods from other scripts to other scripts though its quite weird

[verbal glacier]

Also params in those methods

[agile sky]

i mean yeah but for yeeps' purposes its all boolean

[verbal glacier]

All data types are bools if you think about it

[agile sky]

just a lot of them

[verbal glacier]

What isn’t?

[agile sky]

the constant...

but how do you define a constant?

booleans...

It all comes back

[verbal glacier]

A bool that won’t change

Evil bool

Ig super positions aren’t bools

Quantum computers break bools