About a Pride update

[grizzled pendant]

And other lgbtq?

[lyric walrus]

you sure seem to have a discomfort for them, if you don't want to see them

[grizzled pendant]

??

Ive never said I dont want to see them because I dont like them

I've never shown discomfort idk what you're on about

[lyric walrus]

you keep saying that some religious people don't want to see it

[peak rampart]

Tell me how I’m “homophobic” because I dont support it cause im not being rude or nothing

[grizzled pendant]

Yeah, thats a fair argument

For some religious people it is literally like a sin and stuff

[lyric walrus]

and they're welcome to not be gay

still doesn't mean other people/games should be regulated by their morals

[grizzled pendant]

But this doesnt mean they should follow pride and do everything for pride either

Its best to stay neutral

[peak rampart]

Fr

[lyric walrus]

how so?

[grizzled pendant]

Youre adding something ingame that people are actively not supporting

Some people will be unhappy

[lyric walrus]

Pride doesn't have any reservations about any other groups. Pride about love and acceptance

okay hold on, I don't know what my phone was hallucinating

[grizzled pendant]

Not just religious people may not want pride

Some people may simply, not support it

[lyric walrus]

you're still regulating the game by the morals of an unrelated religion

[lyric walrus]

and what reason would they have to not support it if it's not religion?

[grizzled pendant]

Games like yeeps, especially a game with alot of kids shouldn't have potentially controversial things like this

[lyric walrus]

what logical reason would someone have to be against a sexual orientation?

something that you can't choose

[grizzled pendant]

Theyre not against people

They just dont support it

[peak rampart]

Your missing the point

[grizzled pendant]

Many people just dont support pride

[lyric walrus]

okay, but you're not explaining it.
you can't just be against an entire denomination

[grizzled pendant]

Which is fair enough

Theyre not attacking them

[lyric walrus]

no, not fair enough.

[grizzled pendant]

They just dont support the ideas of pride

It doesnt mean theyre gonna go be homophobic

[lyric walrus]

it sure seems like an attack if they are actively rooting against adding it to media / the public eye

[lyric walrus]

why would they not be supportive of pride? still haven't explained this.

[grizzled pendant]

Not really an attack if they just want a silly game to stay silly and uncontroversial

[peak rampart]

Because all it’s doing is causing problems

[lyric walrus]

Pride isn't the one causing problems. but thank you for putting the blame on the victim

[grizzled pendant]

They might just feel like its personally wrong

Who knoes

Theres probably many reasons people think this

Im not one of those people, so I dont know

[peak rampart]

Then why is there so many fights

[lyric walrus]

but that's not valid reasoning??? you're against something that can't be chosen, this isn't like someone liking the color purple.

[lyric walrus]

Ask the people against it, I don't know

[grizzled pendant]

Lets just keep yeeps yeeps

Its already very easy to express pride ingame through building

[lyric walrus]

you're more than welcome to not support the suggestion. doesn't mean it shouldn't be added

[grizzled pendant]

Well i think it shouldnt be added

[peak rampart]

Yes and it will always be like that so there will always be problems so just keep the vr puppet game as a vr puppet game

[lyric walrus]

making an entire thread just to be against Pride suggestions is pretty telling.

[grizzled pendant]

So i won't support the suggestion

[lyric walrus]

It won't always be like that, progress is inevitable

just 10 years ago gay marriage was legalized. we're making huge leaps for LGBT+ identities

[peak rampart]

Yes it will do you expect people to just Change there beliefs cause of Yeeps

[lyric walrus]

I'm not saying yes is going to change the world Goofy Goober.

I'm saying visibility shows people that LGBT+ aren't this boogeyman that's gonna force them to be gay

[grizzled pendant]

Cant we just keep yeeps as a fun game for everyone with no controversies?

[peak rampart]

Yes

[lyric walrus]

sure, can you let other people make suggestions without having to create an entire threat to be against them?

this is more question for ice though.

[grizzled pendant]

I mean what's wrong with this

[peak rampart]

It’s icee not ice

[grizzled pendant]

Hes stating his reasons he doesnt want a pride update

[lyric walrus]

what's wrong with the pride suggestion? we're just stating our reasons why we want the pride update

[grizzled pendant]

Pride is a pretty big topic, its fair enough he makes a suggestion saying why he is against it

Well not against

Doesnt support/ want

Mb

[lyric walrus]

slipped up

lol

[peak rampart]

Many people have agreed with me saying there happy someone stepped up

[grizzled pendant]

Yeah against could be taken 2 different ways there

[lyric walrus]

and just against the suggestion guidelines

[peak rampart]

How

[lyric walrus]

you're not actually suggesting anything to be added, you're just personally going against another suggestion

[peak rampart]

I’m suggesting they shouldn’t do it

[lyric walrus]

exactly, so you're not suggesting to add anything

you're just going against other suggestions

which is against the guidelines

[peak rampart]

No t
Really

[grizzled pendant]

Theyre saying why they wouldn't want a pride update

This isnt specifically against a suggestion

[lyric walrus]

yes, really. another suggestion has already been closed for this exact reason.

I just haven't made the report yet

[grizzled pendant]

Just because someone opposes your thoughts, doesnt mean theyre against you

[lyric walrus]

it's still not a suggestion to add anything. are you guys just not reading??

[peak rampart]

So your gonna try to take it down cause you disagree or just feel like it?

[grizzled pendant]

Its a suggestion on his thoughts?

[peak rampart]

Ok but a suggestion none the less

[pallid merlin]

❌

[peak rampart]

@lyric walrus so is it not allowed to make a suggestion to not do color changing

[lyric walrus]

still against the guidelines

[thin idol]

Can someone send me a link to the top message

(I hate discord mobile)

[peak rampart]

Idk how

[grizzled pendant]

Uh

Neither

Gl

[lyric walrus]

#1493703501086195935 message

[thin idol]

You don't know how to make message links? 😭

[grizzled pendant]

Theres nothing wrong with this suggestion ngl

[peak rampart]

Nope

[lyric walrus]

☝️

that's the tip

top*

[grizzled pendant]

Son

What is this

[pallid merlin]

NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP

NEVER GONNA LET YOU DOWN

NEVER GONNA TURN AROUND

[fallen wind]

I mean color changing is something trass is confirmed to be thinking about and have asked the community about their opinion

[grizzled pendant]

Los colour change

[thin idol]

He never said that he was against the idea, and how suggestions cause arguments (however thats a bit sometimes just people not handling situations properly), all he did was state his opinion, however, there is proof that gtag never died from their update, I don't think yeeps will either

Thing is however, this doesn't necessarily suggest anything to the game

[peak rampart]

I can agree it didn’t die but there was some back lash and other things

[grizzled pendant]

Ya

There was backlash

It was a mess

We DONT want this in yeeps

[thin idol]

Which may result in this thread being closed

But I'll have to ask

[thin idol]

Who is we in this case

-# and said backlash was not really major

[peak rampart]

Will I get a punishment for making it?

[thin idol]

Not really

[grizzled pendant]

Alot of people prob

[thin idol]

-# you shouldn't

[grizzled pendant]

Pride always causes alot of controversy

[lyric walrus]

🌎 1️⃣ Keep It Realistic
Do not suggest:

• Random images to be blocks or items
  👉***- Role - Only Items / Blocks*** 👈
• Any Political, Religious Or Any Other Divisive Subjects.

[thin idol]

You'd be surprised if I said otherwise

[fallen wind]

assuming

[thin idol]

Not always

[fallen wind]

also it entirely depends on how trass would do the update

[peak rampart]

It is realistic

[grizzled pendant]

Just look at all the past pride suggestions

[fallen wind]

past

the past?

[lyric walrus]

past

[thin idol]

Yeah, but as I said, thats people not handling situations properly most of the time

[fallen wind]

why not the present?

[lyric walrus]

look at the ones now

[grizzled pendant]

I mean you could look at this onr

[lyric walrus]

we have like 250 ✨

[grizzled pendant]

#keepyeepsyeeps

🥶

[lyric walrus]

https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1480329276480819392

[grizzled pendant]

And 90 ❌

[thin idol]

It still is yeeps regardless if its added

[grizzled pendant]

Theres a big majority against it

[lyric walrus]

less than half

[grizzled pendant]

Thats still, alot of people

[lyric walrus]

literally the minority between those numbers

What are you talking about

[grizzled pendant]

Just because its less then a half doesn't mean its not alot of people?

[lyric walrus]

👏👏👏

[grizzled pendant]

Thats 90 people there still you know

[lyric walrus]

It sure means it's not the majority 😭

[grizzled pendant]

Ok well my bad

I said that wrong

[thin idol]

Thats only 0.13% of the server

[lyric walrus]

[grizzled pendant]

Yeah and only 0.5% have voted in total

Thats not alot at all

[thin idol]

Precisely

But also

[lyric walrus]

didn't you just say a lot of people were against it?

[thin idol]

Not many people react to suggestions

[grizzled pendant]

250/90 ratio

[thin idol]

Hold on

[grizzled pendant]

Thats still alot of people

90 people is ALOT

[thin idol]

Can I not do anything to threads?

[lyric walrus]

250 ✨ Loniii

cmon

[craggy pumice]

theres been like 5 different pride suggestions with hundreds of positive reactions

[lyric walrus]

be fr

[thin idol]

Stop arguing for a second

[grizzled pendant]

And i mean just look at this suggestion for example

[lyric walrus]

sorry! will do

[thin idol]

And by a second

I mean for a while

[jovial knot]

I feel like an update like this would cause an uproar of arguments in the community if im bein honest.

[thin idol]

Until I figure something out

[grizzled pendant]

One of my main reasons I dont want this

[jovial knot]

And I don't think Trass would wanna put something like this in their game with a big child audience.

[lyric walrus]

What's wrong with kids being in the game?

[thin idol]

bro

[jovial knot]

Well kids can learn about this stuff when they're adults

[lyric walrus]

I'm just askin'!!

[peak rampart]

Yall they said to shut up

[jovial knot]

not now they're still growing up

[lyric walrus]

Why should they? why can't they learn before?

[craggy pumice]

sonion

[thin idol]

They can still learn about it, it shouldn't be an adult strict thing

[grizzled pendant]

Bro im ngl why do we need this

[craggy pumice]

i still stand by everything i said here if you want to read
#1483274751928565883 message

[grizzled pendant]

Theres already many ways to express pride if you want

[lyric walrus]

Why do we need any suggestion?

[jovial knot]

It's just that kinda stuff doesn't need to be forced on them they're still growing up.

[craggy pumice]

and you should read it too because it goes into it

[lyric walrus]

"forced"?

[jovial knot]

Like they should be focusing on school and other stuff

[lyric walrus]

how is it being forced?

by letting them know it exists?

[grizzled pendant]

Yeeps should stay neutral

[thin idol]

I enjoy this explanation actually

[rapid shale]

this incase its needed rn

[jovial knot]

when im talking this is what i mean.

[craggy pumice]

😬

[grizzled pendant]

Valid tbf

[thin idol]

The amount of times this is said is absurd

[grizzled pendant]

A pride update only affects some people

Not everyone would enjoy it

[rapid shale]

true

[lyric walrus]

you should give this a read: #1483274751928565883 message

[grizzled pendant]

All content in yeeps updates should be enjoyable

[jovial knot]

Welp ima go suggest a new gamemode. Thank yall for that conversation. That kinda changed my view just a bit.

[craggy pumice]

is it not neutral to acknowledge a heavily documented trait of humans for centuries and better allow people in that minority group to better express their self identity if they so choose

[lyric walrus]

I don't like PVP but a lot of updates focus on adding weapons, so that means they should remove all weapons from the game

[rapid shale]

peak

[jovial knot]

uh what.

[craggy pumice]

youre acting like children being aware lgbtq+ people exist is something to be avoided

the myth that education towards the topic is pushed upon people is also a completely fabricated lie

[grizzled pendant]

Not really because there ARE people who do not support this

Wouldn't be neutral

Wouldn't it be neutral to also acknowledge all religions?

And other things

[craggy pumice]

would you be against disability cosmetics being added like hearing aids because there are ableist people

[grizzled pendant]

Bro

[craggy pumice]

religious iconography is not remotely comparable to lgbtq+ iconography

i also delve into that let me find it

[peak rampart]

Didn’t the mod say stop fighting

[craggy pumice]

#1482243006042996901 message

heres a more indepth perspective on religious iconography

[lyric walrus]

This thread is creating arguments, it should be closed

[jovial knot]

I feel like people should just acknowledge each other and go their separate ways.

[grizzled pendant]

Imo we should just keep pride in real life

[peak rampart]

Ok yours should be closed too then by that logic

[grizzled pendant]

It doesn't need to be in yeeps

[whole spear]

Before saying anything against this, please take a moment to read:
#1483274751928565883 message
#1493703501086195935 message

[lyric walrus]

you've said that multiple times, I think we got it

[grizzled pendant]

👍

[thin idol]

Holy hell helper yeep

[peak rampart]

@lyric walrus

[thin idol]

We dont close for that anymore

[lyric walrus]

bro didn't get an answer and decided to double down

[whole spear]

Before saying anything against this, please take a moment to read:
#1483274751928565883 message
#1493703501086195935 message

[thin idol]

The people causing arguments get punished

[grizzled pendant]

Anyway, interesting debate but I gtg

[lyric walrus]

I was being sarcastic

[grizzled pendant]

Peace yall

[craggy pumice]

i think the bot broke

[lyric walrus]

the bot seems to break often

[thin idol]

It did because there is no slowmode

[peak rampart]

Sure did

[past parcel]

isnt your thread starting arguments

[peak rampart]

My goat

[thin idol]

Does nobody see my message

[peak rampart]

I forgot sorry

[craggy pumice]

lgbtq+ people exist and play yeeps, it's an attribute of them as people that they went through an effort of self discovery to better identify how they align

[peak rampart]

Is it worth it if it makes a lot of problems

[craggy pumice]

if you wanted to say relationships should be avoided then maybe but yeeps hasnt really strayed away from that as a concept and pride isnt specifically as much about dating preferences as much as it is about self discovery and being proud of who you are

[craggy pumice]

objectively yes which i talked about here #1483274751928565883 message

[lyric walrus]

appeasing the aggressor should never be the answer

[craggy pumice]

educating people on lgbtq+ gives them a more clear worldview, makes them more accepting of those ideas since they arent completely alien and detatched, and makes everyone appreciate each other more for what they are

[past parcel]

atp i dont even know what were fighting for

[thin idol]

Me neither

[lyric walrus]

I don't see it that way.

[thin idol]

If I try to stop something, someone new will say something and then it continues

[thin idol]

Not what I intended to mean

[craggy pumice]

a common myth is that education is indoctrination, but most people and kids just go Okay cool when you tell them that boys can like boys instead of being like Wait do i like boys
ofc if youre at all curious you can go through that self discovery on your own which can help people who dont know why they deviate from the norm and make them feel heard and understand why that is

life is all about self discovery and learning more about yourself and what you like, whether that be hobbies or pursuing new projects

and whether or not youre lgbtq+ is a part of that because its not as easily visible but still just as real, proven for centuries at this point

[past parcel]

its hard to argue with someone smart then it is with someone thats dumb

[peak rampart]

Who is who

[past parcel]

both sides

i suppose

[peak rampart]

Interesting

[past parcel]

cause this argument is dumb as a whole

[craggy pumice]

to wrap this back around to yeeps, all a pride update would do is allow lgbtq+ people to express themselves and pride as a whole is a cultural movement to show that they exist

[peak rampart]

Not really but I guess

[craggy pumice]

any detractors against an lgbtq+ update would have issues with one of those points that i just laid out

[past parcel]

but this post however is not getting added https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1493945350237720617

[craggy pumice]

sorry but yeeps x cocomelon is the next update

[thin idol]

@craggy pumice thank you for these explanations

[craggy pumice]

Prepare

[thin idol]

Because they are really well explained

[craggy pumice]

and also this would be like saying that kids shouldnt know about how various jobs work because they should be focused on school instead of figuring out what their passions and personal preferences could be

[jovial knot]

people are still talking in here

[craggy pumice]

not to mention most kids dont even actively pursue relationships outside of friends until much older so it wouldnt even apply to them

but when they are they'll know more about the world and if they notice that they deviate from the standard they know its a well documented element of human nature and to accept that part of themselves instead of pushing it away

[jovial knot]

I already put myself out of this convo so don't ping me

[fallen wind]

yooo its my suggestion

Who set this up

I gotta talk with them about something

[fallen wind]

did you set up helper yeep in here?

[thin idol]

noooo, totally not (why?)

[fallen wind]

so the 2nd message thingy really isnt that good

lemme break it down

[thin idol]

Ooh

Yeah

Uh

Taking a second read on it

[lyric walrus]

starts breakdancing

[fallen wind]

wait you changed the thingy

I was gonna explain but I cant get to the message now

[lyric walrus]

I think they realized their mistake

[fallen wind]

nvm found it

ok so

to even start off this reads like its based off a entire pride update

rather than something small

[craggy pumice]

btw just to say most of if not all religions accept lgbtq+ people, and the movement against them are bad actors using faith as a means to seperate instead of bring together and love

i should also note that i am a straight christian so you know where im coming from

[fallen wind]

WWith the idea of it being a mini update or something added onto another update points 1, 5, and 6 are invalid

[craggy pumice]

i wouldnt give them much credence as an indication of religion as a whole and for christianity itself the pope has been supportive for like 3 generations

[fallen wind]

number 2 is just pure opinion?????

[craggy pumice]

like thats the main man

[fallen wind]

like what

3 is really random

like burn what? Cosmetics or something?

and also thats just bigotry

and we've disproved that point a thousand times over

[lyric walrus]

I really don't think we have to drag it out and go through every point tbf

Most of their points are invalid

[potent peak]

I had seen a pride month suggestion for another game and it split the whole server and i hated when kids said it was weird

[fallen wind]

not us

[lyric walrus]

☝️

[potent peak]

: D

[thin idol]

I litterally figured that out

Thats why I changed it

There was no need to explain after 😭

[fallen wind]

4 also kinda falls for the size problem

[craggy pumice]

btw i did say that i do agree with 4 in a sense which is why a pride update would need to be clearly telegraphed to the moderation team and be a more proactive period of time as there will undeniably be an uptick in negative behavior

[lyric walrus]

that's what I was saying 😭

[fallen wind]

I meant to explain it earlier but couldn't

just doing it now

but 4 falls for the size overestimation and moderation

[patent kite]

Is it allowed to post during theses types of arguments?

[craggy pumice]

however i dont think the period of time where moderation needs to be heightened (which will taper off) means that the inclusion of stuff like pride is any less valuable to include both to inform others and make lgbtq+ fans of yeeps feel seen

[craggy pumice]

it's been fairly tame so far in terms of arguments

[fallen wind]

and 7 was about to be semi viable until they added the "one side of people" part

[craggy pumice]

only thing i'd say have been out of line were some of the responses but im not going to hold it against them and just assume theyre uneducated which is why i'm giving my thorough perspective

[fallen wind]

but 4 of the points basically being just pure opinion is insane

[craggy pumice]

i should also note that yeeps isnt Required to do a pride update but they shouldnt be against it

[fallen wind]

yeah

[craggy pumice]

it was removed from the helper yeep its fine

[fallen wind]

like they dont gotta but itd be nice

[lyric walrus]

it would be pretty cool

[fallen wind]

but like lowkey I dont know what that one dude was cooking up with the 7 points

[craggy pumice]

and by proxy yeeps atm not having any official statement towards the inclusion of a pride update is the most ideal "neutral" they can be

[fallen wind]

anyways something funny

that like 2 year old message from Nathan that people would use to say "trass said they wouldnt add a pride update!" Doesn't actually disprove it

not just because of the sheer age

but because of the wording

[craggy pumice]

a statement like "we have no current plans to make a pride themed update" would also be neutral btw but saying "we dont want to tick people off" is just Not neutral as it makes acknowledging lgbtq+ people a liability which would reinforce the same people who wouldve freaked out anyways which isnt an environment the world or the game should nurture

[fallen wind]

chances of us getting one is low though

trass likes being secretive

[craggy pumice]

unfortunately thats been a sentiment shared for quite a bit, mostly as a reaction to pride while not being explicitly Against it they treat it more like sweeping it under the rug

[fallen wind]

huh

[craggy pumice]

so i think trass' lack of a statement is ideal for right now if they dont have plans to

and i think unless theyre going to go all in on having a pride update thats the best thing they could do

now there has been tons of "pressure" (i use quotations because its not That deep its just people being like Hey this would be cool!) from suggestions towards having a pride update which wont ever go away until it happens but it being in a state of limbo is better than being shut down in any form

[lyric walrus]

on June 1st we're getting a surprise update where they're making every single map Pride themed. Even the adventure mode maps

[craggy pumice]

btw the helper yeep saying "against this" is a little off because the original suggestion is against a pride update

[patent kite]

I think that it meant before arguing against this suggestion

Not the Pride update suggestion in general

[craggy pumice]

then having it be "Before contributing to the conversation" would be more fitting

@thin idol if you could do that

[lyric walrus]

I hadn't even noticed the wording, that is a bit strange I don't think FlowerMay meant anything by it.

[craggy pumice]

i mean yeah its just unclear

thank you

[lyric walrus]

yuuuhhh

W mods honestly

[craggy pumice]

i think its valid to have a conversation like this if its made clear where the team stands on

[fallen wind]

if you pick up small bits you can find around then you'll find that trass definitely is fine with the idea

[craggy pumice]

it should also be noted that having the message be in the helper yeep chat bumper it is endorsed by the team as something they stand with which is fine but that is what its indicating

[lyric walrus]

is it a timed bot or does it do it after a certain amount of messages have been sent?

[craggy pumice]

i mention it frontfacingly in that one message but i will reiterate i do have no doubt in my mind that trass is supportive of lgbtq+ people its just that making a statement draws a line in the sand

[craggy pumice]

it periodically checks if the latest message is its own and then sends it again and deletes its previous one

it takes a bit so its not constantly spam checking so it's easier on the bot servers to handle but that also means that sometimes it double checks and sends it twice because two messages occur in quick succession

[craggy pumice]

ofc i know flowergirl stands by it and there was a few moderator responses to it originally that were positive but the message being pinned does mean its representative of the moderation team

this is to also denote that the moderation team doesnt essentially speak for trass on these topics as albeit trusted by them their job is to settle and manage the discord accordingly which was also something people got hung up on because another moderator made a message about it

which also likewise was then indicative of the perspective of the moderation team as a whole (and some people took it as trass too but again thats inaccurate as theyre two separate entities)

[peak rampart]

We’ve lost the plot

[thin idol]

Should've expected this to happen

https://tenor.com/view/sylveon-gif-7385094459912251419

[peak rampart]

I’ve never had a suggestion be like this

[craggy pumice]

this is deeply important to recognize when talking about these topics as they are sensitive

[craggy pumice]

if done properly its fine but you do have to set those guardrails

[peak rampart]

But my guy you wrote a whole book and it’s not needed

[fallen wind]

we're on topic

[craggy pumice]

youre lucky that the societal and political elements of lgbtq+ representation isnt relevant or fit for this server

[peak rampart]

Um ok

[peak rampart]

Egh

[craggy pumice]

both to encourage conversation (even though quite a bit of it has been more to shut it down entirely) and also to educate people

[fallen wind]

what?

[craggy pumice]

because i dont hold against the sentiment you shared originally against you as i do think it was made from a perspective of uneducation towards the subject

[peak rampart]

We’ve started taking about moderation and other stuff

[peak rampart]

No I’m quite educated

[fallen wind]

cough

[craggy pumice]

moderation is also an important element both because of how it acts as a trusted arm of trass and how if this were to be included it would need to be heightened to accomodate for the undeniable uptick in moderation infractions

[lyric walrus]

...

[fallen wind]

you uhh

you were supposed to agree

[peak rampart]

I can agree but it’s just about a update not moderation and stuff

[fallen wind]

I dont think you understand

[craggy pumice]

and both recognizing that and also how the moderation team being a seperate entity relates to trass' perspective of making a pride update (or lack thereof publicly shared which is fine as long as its not one against the concept) is heavily involved for a discussion like this

[umbral dagger]

Gang does not understand

[peak rampart]

I think get it know

[craggy pumice]

so do you still stand by your original suggestion against a potential pride update

[peak rampart]

Yes

[umbral dagger]

[harsh oak]

What if

[craggy pumice]

even though the amount it could do to benefit people through education and making those lgbtq+ voices heard by orders of magnitude outweigh the uptick in moderation infractions

[harsh oak]

Garic naan

[craggy pumice]

also btw the original suggestion about "making problems from arguments" is largely a moderation thing

[umbral dagger]

Garlic Naan

[craggy pumice]

also btw the "death" of gorilla tag (its still going fairly strong but it is undeniable it's lost its #1 spot) can largely be amounted to monke mayhem and showing that even with an event to pull out all the stops it still couldnt beat its top player count

not that it decided to include a pride update which btw started fairly early on long before it started to wean

[lyric walrus]

Gorilla Tag lost its spot because it wasn't new anymore. As more hand locomotion games came out, more people moved to the ones that favoured their niche.

Gtag was just the first one to do it.

[umbral notch]

Garlic naaN

[craggy pumice]

the continued active support of lgbtq+ cosmetics was also really nice to see from another axiom and even though there were undeniably moderation infractions caused because of it that wouldnt have happened if they didnt see a rainbow carpet that normalization is what pride is all about

and to a large extent its been really effective

now dont get me wrong there are still movements against lgbtq+ people but culturally theyre doing remarkably well and for yeeps in particular the fact that a sentiment like a pride update has been suggested so much does show that yeeps is more mature and inclusive enough to handle it

[peak rampart]

It wasn’t the death but it cause a lot of problems for the community

[lyric walrus]

I still love that RecRoom added so many LGBT+ cosmetics and a pride parade room.

Since the items were some of the only "free" ones you could get there'd be a bunch of new players rocking them which was awesome to see.

[craggy pumice]

i wouldnt say it's the "community" as with a following as large as gorilla tag had especially back then managing that environment was a gargantuan task and the reporting/moderation systems were still fairly archaic

[lyric walrus]

have you not been reading what Boraoqed has been saying?

[craggy pumice]

yeeps both has a moderately more contained dedicated supportive audience that plays it and more robust systems to detect and act on people who cause issues

[umbral notch]

Paws

[peak rampart]

Yea kinda

[lyric walrus]

I don't understand why my phone is doing this

[peak rampart]

I’ve scimmed through it

[lyric walrus]

maybe I have a foreign language set for my autocorrect?

[lyric walrus]

then why are you repeating things he's already addressed?

[peak rampart]

Idk

[lyric walrus]

[umbral notch]

[iq to high meme here]

[craggy pumice]

and again i will note that if a pride update were to be added moderation would need to be heightened but the amount of good it'd do is worth having some negative responses rear their ugly head

[peak rampart]

Yep

Any way I gotta focus in class so I’ll talk later

[craggy pumice]

if youre going to engage or have a post detailing a topic like this you have to be actually engaging with whats being said

[umbral dagger]

And please spell skim correctly…

[peak rampart]

My guy school is more important than a argument over a puppet game

[craggy pumice]

either through standing against people trying to wipe lgbtq+ support as being "not for kids" or that avoiding it outright is "neutral" if you do support pride or standing by your thoughts if you do in light of others perspectives

[umbral dagger]

So then don’t make this post

[craggy pumice]

okay then like stop typing?? 😭 😭 😭 😭

[peak rampart]

I made it yesterday

[craggy pumice]

well they made the post before but theyre talking now

[lyric walrus]

woke has entered my Minecraft server and reared its ugly head.

-callmecarson || 2025 RIP

[craggy pumice]

so then just Put the phone down 😭

[craggy pumice]

may his soul rest in the mrbeast chocolate shake 🙏

[lyric walrus]

shake...? shake yo booty?

everyone looking at me after I said that:

[umbral dagger]

Attention seeker ahh

[lyric walrus]

please remember to ❌ react if you disagree with the suggestion

[manic stump]

Wow 32 ✅ and only 13 ❌

[craggy pumice]

its more comparable to rec room like it was still somewhat popular but it was in decline as youtube viewership went down which made youtubers swap to games like animal company and gorilla tag

[lyric walrus]

Also the huge push for AI and UGC content

[craggy pumice]

its a little confusing to quantify since the original suggestion was against a pride update but idk how much people read in full

theres been far more positive responses elsewhere towards a pride update

[lyric walrus]

🙂‍↕️

[craggy pumice]

i mean that was way later when things really started to hit the fan

[lyric walrus]

true, but it cemented it's death imo

[craggy pumice]

just when a lot of rec room youtubers made the switch to gorilla tag as it was a sinking ship

[whole spear]

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[craggy pumice]

yeah undeniably

[manic stump]

Do you think the devs would add a pride update?

[craggy pumice]

and monke mayhem kinda signalled the same thing to some gorilla tag youtubers

[lyric walrus]

I'm really sad about the shutdown but it does help that they're allowing us to export our creations as 3D models

[craggy pumice]

i think if any statement should be made by trass it should be in support of a pride update but currently they havent made any statement at all which is the best neutral position for them to be in

[lyric walrus]

I think at most they've shown they're not against it and have already alluded to pride with the Rainbow zipper (Nathan stated that it was supposed to be)

[craggy pumice]

i do think trass is supportive of lgbtq+ pride but they havent commented on it yet which is fine

just that if they do it should be "we have no current plans to make a pride update currently" instead of "we dont want to have a pride update because of this"

[manic stump]

I thought they would do a statement at some point because there’s a lot people wanting a pride update

[craggy pumice]

ofc personally ideally it should be "We are adding a pride update right now and also 20k buttcoin for everyone" but thats just my personal opinion

[craggy pumice]

theyre being very delicate with how they handle it, and theyll likely make a statement close to when theyd make the pride update if at all

which is how they should do it in the position theyre in

[manic stump]

Did they do a survey about a pride update?

[craggy pumice]

no they havent but that'd kinda signal they were looking for it

however priming the idea with a survey is kinda weird because like

what if the majority of responses say no does that mean it shouldnt happen

[manic stump]

Kinda want to see how many people who disagree and agree with it

[craggy pumice]

it'd just be kinda weird to have a survey for something like this

[craggy pumice]

people will disagree and if they make it a problem then moderation will act on that

[manic stump]

True

[craggy pumice]

and when that pride update comes moderation is going to need to be ready for that

[manic stump]

True

[craggy pumice]

idk if the solution would be to hire more moderators for that specific period of time since theyd be less experienced and managing more people would lead to more individual errors but if the moderation team that does exist goes on overdrive that'd probably work

it'd just need to be clearly indicated

[craggy pumice]

maybe if like the additional moderators chosen are professional but i dont even know if thats something you can get

[fallen wind]

dont forget about voice patrol

near anything verbal would get picked up by it automatically

[craggy pumice]

thats true but automated systems need to be reviewed manually before action

and theres a lot more context to factor in too

[fallen wind]

vp is constantly listening

ive seen it get ppl before

it can act automatically

[craggy pumice]

yeah but still it needs to be reviewed manually

[fallen wind]

no bro ive seen it ban a guy before

[craggy pumice]

it detects and sends potential infractions to the moderation team but then its checked

[fallen wind]

it can ban ppl itself

[craggy pumice]

its like having a moderator @ in a chat, theyll see it quicker than a normal ticket

[fallen wind]

like if anyone tries to use a slur it'll ban them

and if it doesnt you can request vp checks on ppl

[manic stump]

Shouldn’t they add helper yeep in https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1480329276480819392 also or not?

[velvet maple]

Didn't yeeps say they wanted the game to be a escape from the real world or something like that?

[fallen wind]

no

[velvet maple]

Oh ok

Nvm then

[fallen wind]

and even if they did they added the shoes

from a irl brand

[velvet maple]

True but I feel like that if they did say that they would probably mean politics and whatnot

[fallen wind]

yeah

#1493992217088364605 if it was evil:

[craggy pumice]

lgbtq+ isnt inherently political and the insistence on making it is done by bad actors

[scarlet ferry]

I agree

[velvet maple]

Im not saying it is

But

[peak rampart]

Thank you

[craggy pumice]

well yeah but it shouldnt be conflated as being a political matter

[fallen wind]

yeah he wasn't saying that

[scarlet ferry]

Think about how many people are going to go in game and use gay as an insult and call people slurs

[fallen wind]

he was just tryna make sense of wh

[scarlet ferry]

I can just see it now

[fallen wind]

Phoenix

you were a mod

[craggy pumice]

and also escaping from the real world can take form as representing who you are and yeeps as a platform for creation and self expression is at its core involved with self expression

[fallen wind]

and you know DAMN WELL

that vp exists

[scarlet ferry]

Buns

[craggy pumice]

there will undeniably be an uptick of people causing issues but A. that temporary wave of people is worth the amount of good it'll allow for self expression and educating people that lgbtq+ people exist and B. if they were going to cause issues because of that then they wouldve likely caused issues elsewhere

[fallen wind]

I saw that stuff get someone in real time

[craggy pumice]

normalizing lgbtq+ people in the yeeps ecosystem is a major step in educating people out of holding those hateful positions

[fallen wind]

past action by trass has shown that they can adjust the severity of vp

[velvet maple]

It ain't all that good. One time I got muted for being homophopic and racist even though I said literally nothing like that 😐

[fallen wind]

then appeal

[craggy pumice]

errors will happen, so if you appeal it should be easily lifted if its still there

[velvet maple]

I couldn't because I didn't have discord back then

[fallen wind]

when it comes to something like this its better to accidentally get a few innocence people than to let a few bad ppl thru

[fallen wind]

email

[velvet maple]

And other reasons

[craggy pumice]

no system is perfect but its better than having no system at all

[fallen wind]

especially if those innocence people can appeal

[velvet maple]

Didn't work for some dumb reason

[fallen wind]

how long ago even was this

[velvet maple]

Like a year ago before I turned 13

[fallen wind]

oh that was a long time ago

as time passes technology gets better

and so do our systems

[velvet maple]

Or worse( apple cough cough)

[fallen wind]

it'll get worse if your dumb

trass isnt apple

or Microsoft

so things get better over time

[burnt fossil]

periodd

[velvet maple]

I know im just saying apple is bad I trust trass though

[fallen wind]

yeah

surprised sirmayne hasn't shown up again yet

[burnt fossil]

he's the number one professional pride suggestion hater

[lyric walrus]

Microslop

[lyric walrus]

maybe he's muted

[fallen wind]

hold on

@zealous rune

aw

I saw a image of him quarantined

thought he still was

couldn't find a existing ping of him

sorry boko theres nothing going on I was jujust checking your profile

[zealous rune]

[zealous rune]

I got un quarantined days ago

[dense remnant]

Tbf pride wasn't the start of the games death, nor the cause, they just put genuinely bad for gameplay (or lack thereof) updates for a while

[fallen wind]

any active pride suggestions aren't suggesting full pride updates but small amounts of content to be added in a drop or added onto a update

[dense remnant]

I was talking about the gtag point....

[fallen wind]

oh yeah

yeah they were just put before updates that actually hurt the game

[solar tinsel]

wait is mayne banned?

I hope not