Don't nerf Sheilds as bad, nerf freeze gloves

[ebon sandal]

My granny will get hit by a bazooka if this happens
Also nerf the freeze gloves

[lunar zinc]

PLEASE keep the shield nerf

youre just mad because you actually have to develop some skill now

[main apex]

"Oh no! I can't block an infinite amount of hits and I actually have to dodge stuff now!"

[autumn radish]

the shield can still block ranged attacks, give your grammy a shield

[loud jackal]

the nerf is the best thing that happened to the shield

[wind wave]

Oh no I have to swing my arms around like a gorilla and call it skill

[wind wave]

Oh no not like they just should be fast and hit behind the shield💔

[main apex]

I've done that, but desync and the shield having a hitbox that covers 3/4 of them at all times makes that extremely difficult

[ebon sandal]

I'm trying to say that they should Nerf it in a different way

[wind wave]

Well if you are talking about dodging stuff stop dodging the fact that you gottta be fast to play PvP, if you can’t hit someone in the upper torso why complain

[ebon sandal]

In my opinion they should have a timer so people have to wait to reset
Also nerf freeze gloves

Don't nerf Sheilds as bad, nerf freeze gloves

[main apex]

I am fast.
The issue is that the shield blocks 90% of close attacks, even if they're facing the complete opposite direction of me.
The shield should not be THIS dominant over literally everything, such that almost every single item loadout pretty much needs a shield to be viable

[ebon sandal]

Hit from behind

[main apex]

Please read.
"Blocks 90% of close attacks, even if they're facing the complete opposite direction"

I can't attack from behind if desync and the shield's hitbox say otherwise

[ebon sandal]

Still most people hold it in a way where you can hit them from behind

[runic blade]

Freeze gloves are also getting a nerf bro

[ebon sandal]

Are they??

[runic blade]

Nathan said that the sheild nerf also applys to the boxing gloves

[ebon sandal]

You can block with them, that's what he meant

[runic blade]

You've been able to do that

[main apex]

Once again, desync.
The only way I can hit them is if they stay facing away from me for more than a second, which is never the case
If they block my attacks on their screen, then my attacks get blocked, even if I'm behind them on my screen

[ebon sandal]

Yes ,it's only the blocking part of gloves that are being nerfed

[runic blade]

Yeah that's fine

Blocking was probably the most annoying thing in pvp

[ebon sandal]

Freeze gloves do 250 are one if not the most spammy weapon in the game and it also freezes you so that makes them no skill

They should only do like 50 dmg

[runic blade]

Yeah but they have little range if you dont let them get near you then they cant kill you

[runic blade]

Thats crazy

[ebon sandal]

Again they are spam you will still get damage out of it

And I meant only when frozen

[runic blade]

Yeah well the disc launcher does 1k so its not like pvp is at all balanced. But I would say certain items need nerfs which includes freeze gloves just not that severe of a nerf

[main apex]

They don't do 250 damage.
#🗞️・release-notes message
"Freeze gloves do less damage to unfrozen players"

Deep sea update patch notes, under changes

[ebon sandal]

Yh 250 to frozen players

It's unfair

[main apex]

250 to frozen players...
So you mean just a regular bat??? That's so harsh, the freeze glove is going to be pretty balanced after the "3x easier to break to melee weapons" nerf

[weak prairie]

Well the main reason I could understand buffing the shield again is unfair strategies, there isn’t really enough to go back on a needed update though.

[spiral drift]

This is NOT balanced

[timid carbon]

They did...

[umbral isle]

they already nerfed them

how else would they nerf them

[ebon sandal]

Put it back to how it was
It has a timer on resetting it
And when you eat it it only gives half the cotton

[ebon sandal]

Basically the hits you get on someone while frozen still somewhat count towards another freeze and because of how spammy they are you will be dead very quickly unless you have air blasters on or cocoa which not many people have in their loadout

[ebon sandal]

How?

[waxen skiff]

The easiest balance is that it doesn do a 360 block but a flat 180 in front of you

Seems more logical

[ebon sandal]

YES

[waxen skiff]

As you need to move

Instead of sitting as a big duck

Js make it so the htibox is the same as the shield but 20% bigger

[ebon sandal]

What should they do to freeze gloves then?

[waxen skiff]

I mean the block is much bigger when using both

And less when using one

Smaller than shield alone

[ebon sandal]

When you hit someone while they're frozen it does 250

I think that's unbalanced

Only because they're spammy

[waxen skiff]

How much does one hit do

[ebon sandal]

250 less unfrozen

[inland barn]

750 frozen

also boxing gloves should do more damage on the third hit it just does more knockbacl

[ebon sandal]

That's way too much

[inland barn]

thats what it does now

[ebon sandal]

Why nerf Sheilds over freeze gloves then

Trass ain't thinking

[tacit grove]

the nerf was one of the best changes in yeeps history

[inland barn]

freeze gloves arent that bad

i can counter them

shields i literally cannot

[tacit grove]

also freeze gloves got nerfed cause thay can break in like one hit

[inland barn]

i can swap between 10 loadouts and itll all be countered by shield

[tacit grove]

shields are easily countered by just

bats

any melee weapon

[waxen skiff]

Similar to jjs naoya is a characther and doing a m1 combo thrice will put the opponent in a mirror stunning them for 3 seconds and hitting them will do double daamage

Take the same idea.

First hit 100 damage
Second 250
Third freezes them for 3 seconds unable to use hot coco (can use telepearl or other hits to block) and hitting them while frozen will 600 and launching them further once hit so you dont stack hits

[tacit grove]

freeze glovea aint even that op

i consistently beat people using them with just bats

[ebon sandal]

Mb wrong thing

[midnight plaza]

nathan isnt nerfing the shield that much, i had some sort of a talk with him

[tacit grove]

epic embed fail

[midnight plaza]

its just minor, shield refreshing will still exsist

[tacit grove]

😂

[waxen skiff]

Makes them only counter projectiles like in real life a copper sword instanyl breakes a reinforced shield💔

[ebon sandal]

Thats not what I'm saying tho

[midnight plaza]

oh

[tacit grove]

thats cause the copper shortsword is unbeatable

[ebon sandal]

I think that they nerfed it too much

[tacit grove]

anything loses to it

[midnight plaza]

well, freeze gloves could use a nerf

[waxen skiff]

Not terraria

[midnight plaza]

they can be annoying at times

[tacit grove]

yes terraria

[ebon sandal]

Yes

[waxen skiff]

Hot coco users js counters them

I had a dude perfectly timing the unfreeze

[tacit grove]

freeze gloves are so easy to counter by using anything with the slightest range advantage

[ebon sandal]

Still not many people use hot coco in loadouts

[waxen skiff]

I think gladiator map should be more open for boomerang pvp

[ebon sandal]

Who does boomerang tho

[tacit grove]

they dont need to change a year old map just for a pvp item no one uses

[waxen skiff]

Md

Me

[midnight plaza]

the spikes are hella annoying

the ones in the ground that can just pop out without warning are most annoying

[waxen skiff]

I throe 2 in the air and freeze a player and try to hit their back by moving around them leaving their back open

[ebon sandal]

The map was created like a year ago

Boomerang didn't exist

[tacit grove]

anyway the shield nerfs are good

i hate shield

[waxen skiff]

Can be a bit bigger tho

[ebon sandal]

Was made in 1.0 before map sizes

[waxen skiff]

I play combat games and seeing this change makes me thing loaf went nuts thinking it should only counter projectiles

Js make it counterable by hitting their open areas

Common sense

😭

[tacit grove]

you cant hit the open area unless you are right behind them and they arent paying attention

the hitboxes suck

[midnight plaza]

its not a hitbox

its the angle

[stark ridge]

bro wants to double down on the freeze glove nerf 🥀

[ebon sandal]

Only the blocking is nerfed not the actual thing

[stark ridge]

except when the damage was nerfed recently

[ebon sandal]

Only for unfrozen people

[stark ridge]

so yes, you want to double down on the freeze glove nerf 🥀

"they only nerfed the damage and blocking!!"

[candid briar]

Well the blocking nerf got removed or buffed from the old nerf

[stark ridge]

the shield nerf applies to gloves, right?

[candid briar]

Yeah and Nathan just removed it or made it stronger

[candid briar]

If your talking about the blocking

[stark ridge]

you mean in the upcoming lab?

[candid briar]

That one or 4.5 he said it’s stronger against melee now

[stark ridge]

this is why we need patch notes 😭

but it still got nerfed

[stuck badger]

Freeze gloves should be nerfed so you cant inf freeze someone

[stark ridge]

-# even if slightly undone

[ebon sandal]

They should js do this