Pick. sides. (HOT TAKE/CONTROVERSIAL)

[keen basalt]

i hope you dont actually think im homophobic, im just stating my opinion

[north acorn]

it's just the way you said it

[opaque bay]

making people feel safe just makes the rest unsafe

[keen basalt]

how did i say anything wrong? im genuinely curious why

[north acorn]

it was just the tone

"the other, not so much"

the word doesn't come to mind rn

but I hope I got the idea across

[keen basalt]

alright i think i need to clarify:

me and the person i replied to talked before similar to this topic, prompting them to say “i wonder why”, so i wanted to clarify with them that i wasn’t trying to be homophobic at all.

the reason i said “not so much the other one..” is because i was shortening my response down, i wasn’t trying to come off in a negative tone.

[north acorn]

yeah that makes more sense

[keen basalt]

hopedully that makes sense

[keen basalt]

glad it does lol

[opaque bay]

we love friendly clarification

[mild holly]

Honestly if any big yeeps dev picks the homophobic side I will be leaving yeeps till that dev leaves

[snow knoll]

WHY

[native crystal]

just to start things off religious groups and lgbtq+ cannot be remotely compared and the push to conflate the two in opposition was popularized by homophobes in the first place

this is on the same level as saying that an update that adds hearing aids should also feature religion, theyre just a representation of people as they are

your belief is a spiritual element of yourself, not a physical/mental one (although those attributes are used to practice that faith)

being gay or straight is an attribute of who you are as a person inately like what color your eyes are, just that its way harder to easily tell and requires self discovery which can take years to properly accomplish

[swift roost]

Ykw i ain’t even gonna argue im out at a bday party right now

Think whatever you want

This only a suggestion after all

[native crystal]

religions actually take that a bit beyond where theyre the causation of your being and life itself which you then practice faith to follow and act upon but thats getting way more existential and largely irrelevant, just know they arent comparable as representation and trass has already made a statement that they dont want to add religious iconography

now to the meat and potatoes

[austere stratus]

chicken and fries 🤤

[dense dock]

ur the guy that says alot

[mellow wagon]

yo can you bring me back a slice of cake

[native crystal]

i do want to say that this is worded rather callously towards the development team and it couldve come across as more understanding and considerate, but just to clarify and hopefully you agree, trass isnt specifically responsible for making a statement towards any subject matter they havent directly involved themselves in which as it stands right now trass hasn't and has just amounted to third party responses by the moderation team as its their role to make sure the server is clean and abides by the standard trass wants to have

basically, trass isn't taking a centrist stance, they just havent engaged with the discussion which they're perfectly fine to do as they werent involved to begin with

the easiest thing to talk about from these is ai imagery, which Yeah that should be actively enforced against
to put into perspective what i think trass should be obligated to make a response towards is if they themselves post ai generated content or make a statement that actively supports them, but as it stands ai images have just been posted to the server and often removed anyways
i do think this is an easy win that trass could make to just say ai images are bad but again they arent obligated to do so or make any decisions currently

for lgbtq+ subjects, thats a bit more complicated

i've already posted a bit about the subject above but trass isn't exactly obligated to add pride stuff to the game, just that it would be really cool and nice for them to do

now if they outright stated that pride cosmetics arent something they want to do that would be weird or having an actual centrist view that they dont want to tread any of that ground despite lgbtq+ being an inate element of people biologically and iconography pertaining to that is harmless and any reactions from uninformed or actively hateful people should be given the means to be educated on the subject or swiftly removed which if they had the capacity to do so at all means that they probably shouldnt have been around anyways

please correct me if i'm wrong but trass has never outright denied any suggestions towards adding lgbtq+ representation to yeeps, it's just been a series of moderation decisions acting to close threads pertaining to it to reduce arguments

which btw i think is unproductive and causes more problems than it solves longterm as it just splinters out into recurring multiple suggestions but i digress

centrism is the action of picking neither side while trass has remained in a stasis of choosing since they havent done or involved themselves in anything that would warrant their direct response

[devout escarp]

K

Don't gotta type all that cause no one's gonna read all that

[native crystal]

if you dont and want to talk to me about what ive said then you arent engaging with me in the first place

if you didnt want to talk to me about it in the first place then stating such is irrelevant

[hushed vector]

Its always better to remain neutral to appeal to everyone because if the game follows one view it may end up in people with opposing views not playing the game. By not picking a side one will have a reason to hate the game and therefore taking no risk at all. There is no point in doing something with little to no reward and high risk, they could still pull it off with little to no risks by adding smaller things for example for a pride update rather than making a whole update for it they could just add a few pronoun zippers on top of the regular update but not make it a big thing.

If they do something its better to remain minimalistic

[austere stratus]

i did

bro cant read

[native crystal]

i have talked about it in another thread but a good middleground is to have cosmetics that take the form of common items but have pride colors like cotton candy instead of directly a pride flag

[native crystal]

also realistically if people leave because theres lgbtq+ representation in the game then they really shouldnt be involved in the community and playerbase in the first place

if thats something they want to avoid setting off like what you've provided (which i wont hold against you) that would be rather problematic to say the least that the reason they dont want to make more people feel seen is so that they dont intrude on people driven or ill informed by hatred

"anti lgbtq" people are often immensely ill informed and would be willing to accustom to others given proper education on the subject or an environment involving them

anyone rigid in their hatred is one ossified in their hatred and ideally everyone can be open to learning and being informed which factually speaking lgbtq+ people exist and representing them is harmless

and reacting to the inverse to avoid doing so is detrimental to the cause in the first place

this is the issue with making that decision in the first place even if its a both-sides thing with centrism

because largely speaking most centrist positions actively disempower the marginalized as its not the status quo

trass has currently not made any statement or decision of the sort and as such they arent obligated to make one or take any stance

and for the record pride cosmetics would be deeply appreciated so its not a "no reward" situation

again i wont hold this against you because youre not fully informed or educated on the subject or the larger scale rhetorical structure of the issue as a whole

but if trass were to do so that would be as they very much would be knowing their position which is why they havent at all

[neon raptor]

fair

[native crystal]

i'd like for them to make one but thats my personal opinion

[neon raptor]

no arguments if they pick a side

some things you can tell more what they lean towards

simple as that

If you want order you cant stay neutral

[slim swan]

Borapaws you are a godsend

[native crystal]

i mean there will be arguments regardless of what they pick (ofc being in favor of lgbtq+ representation is the right one) but still, having a decision would be a way to put discussion down immediately which clearly it wont ever end until one is made

like how trass doesnt want to include religious iconography, thats an easy and respectable position to hold towards how they handle the game

[native crystal]

btw even if trass makes a statement like "we have no current plans to introduce pride/lgbtq+ themed cosmetics" that's the same as not making a statement towards it entirely instead of centrism, just that there was something said about the subject

just want to put that out too if they do comment in a way like that

nor do i think theyre obligated to do so because like thats just a statement of fact towards their development plans

now they are obligated to say that the jimothy dungeon is being added in april

and i will be deeply disappointed if they fail to comment on such a matter

[hushed vector]

Ya but just generally speaking it would be better for the player count to be minimalist to not upset the other side while having the other side be happy about being represented. Also a lot of people i have heard have parents that don’t want their kids playing games with pride things while they themselves don’t hate it at all which is not their fault. Thats exactly what happened to gtag during their pride update, they focused the whole game on it for a month. If they had just added a few cosmetics those people wouldn’t have had any problems with it. Trass also makes decisions based on what is best for the players count and what is least likely to cause any sort of hate so i think just adding a few cosmetics and no gadgets, blocks or map changes would keep any sort of hate from happening

Many people would be forced into having to not play the game because of their parents views

[glad fjord]

Yeah i see

I understand where ur coming from for sure

I thought trass confirmed no pride stuff themselves?

That's what everyone says

[hushed vector]

Ya they confirmed it but people want trass to change their mind which is highly unlikely

[glad fjord]

I do admit I could've worded this all better

[neon raptor]

long long while ago

info far too old to use

anyways the art is a cool way to represent this dilemma

[odd bough]

It's kinda different though since religion is about people's beliefs but LGBTQ is a real, physical thing

Don't interpret this message as dismissive of religious beliefs, I'm just staying that they're different things

[native crystal]

nobody has discussed trass's statement on Bread yet

[heavy perch]

Tomato gang rise UP

[native crystal]

the parent argument is an actually interesting case because even if someone is willing to learn and be educated thats permitted by their parents

also the argument towards playercount is more greedy and corporate than anything which isnt really an argument against inclusion as it is against capital interests but thats a wayyyyyy larger subject

regardless trass and yeeps are shockingly forgiving about monetization so that angle is highly irrelevant

[native crystal]

i dont really know what to say about parents that actively prevent their children from lgbtq+ content other than That sucks but you cant do much about it

plus i'd highly doubt parents would be as involved in the pride content updates of the games their children play for vr since you cant glance and see a pride flag on the outside view

regardless the blast radius of a case like that is miniscule

[dull verge]

To be fair for use of AI in suggestions, this channel is more for concept ideas & such, which AI is kinda fine for since it's not being used in the finished product, and helps visualize things, I'm not saying specific ideas are bad, I use specific ideas, but I don't think the devs have ever taken a more complex suggestion from here and put it into the game as is, they more so take the concept of the idea, and make something pretty different

[native crystal]

youre wrong but im not going to delve into that which i think is best for all of us

[mild holly]

Yea but no cus let's be real name one time ai was used for showing someone's idea

I personally think that yeeps should add a pride update for June

Yeeps should just experiment by adding a big pride flag in home for a couple hours and then saying it was a hacker to see if a huge part of the community would actually over react.

[neon raptor]

fire idea

[cosmic flame]

https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1482814052626469085

[mild holly]

Stop self promoting

[winged nymph]

you cant hack in yeeps

[vivid aspen]

Why are people always complaining

The devs just dont want to be on any side

So they are ignoring it

[mild holly]

Does bro live under a rock?

Also updates have been leaked before I personally have been in a home map where dragon fest got leaked early

I think it was a hacker or a glitch

[hushed perch]

should have to have a bigger community for this to be liable as if depending on the amount of the community so many people leave they have a big decreasing profit which cause have enough money to run their survers anymore makeing it a complete sutdown

[mild holly]

Pls keep in mind servers cost money but not as much as you think

Also gtag is still up and running after their pride update

[hushed perch]

I know I’ve seen the cost of surfers. I worked with the local government in a pick up and so how much it cost them to keep up their service. It just might be that I’m thinking of a different server type movie less expensive since it’s on and off not permanently on.

[neon raptor]

oh no yeeps loses 23 players 😱😱😱

[mild holly]

Yeeps doesn't own the servers they most likely use a big company's server like Amazon the cost difference is a lot

[winged nymph]

I live under a 2x2x2 pillow

[native crystal]

this is literally not even remotely an issue

[native crystal]

not going to humor this one

[north acorn]

no but it is kinda funny though

[native crystal]

they should add gay bugs running around with flags in their mandibles

if you try to hit them you get evaporated

[slim swan]

The whataboutism is crazy on this one.

[haughty shuttle]

I’m going to delve into this

Ideas shouldn’t use ai, I’m not going to say “oh that’s lazy” or “oh it uses tons of water therefore it shouldn’t be added” because those are somewhat subjective

Besides the ethics of gen ai, using ai to make a suggestion or the suggestion’s image actively takes away from the original idea.

• using AI to write out the suggestion: When you write out an idea, you get to describe exactly what you want to see in-game and how you want to see it implemented. When you use ai to write out or make the idea, it takes its own creative liberties. This makes the idea it spits out, no longer your idea, but also the ai’s “idea” mashed into one. When a real person writes out the concept, they have played the game and know how to implement it to be flush with the rest of the game. AI has never played Yeeps, and doesn’t understand the gameplay and the general flow of the game. AI writing makes a suggestion not your original idea, and potentially makes the suggestion worse because AI can’t understand how it should be implemented properly.
-# alone formatting could possibly be brushed off, but you should know how todo this yourself, you shouldn’t rely on ai for basic formatting

• AI image gen: When you make a suggestion and assuming the visual part of your brain is strong, you will imagine how it will look in-game. This is important because you’ve played Yeeps, so you know what fits and doesn’t fit within the art style. AI doesn’t understand what fits into the Yeep’s art style. Even if you described your idea perfectly, it still wouldn’t output exactly what you wanted because it can’t, it can only output the style of what it’s been trained on. This means what you wanted to be implemented is miss represented, which is negative since again ai doesn’t play yeeps, so it isn’t putting what you think would fit right into the game. When making your own image, you perfectly represent what you have in your head to the best of your ability. Sure, you might not make a 1:1 of what you see in your head the first try, but you can improve your art to better represent the idea, something AI simply cannot do because it’s not being trained on what’s in your head. (or at least not yet)

[light marten]

Just realized you draw like pizza tower

Omg i scrolled all the way up to reply and i didnt even actually reply😭

💔 🥀 🫁

[devout escarp]

Or have it be an unobtainable block, it should be a rainbow yeep player model

[haughty shuttle]

That could put a negative connotation on the community tho, regardless of how good or bad a hack is… you shouldn’t be hacking Yeeps as a baseline

The only time hacking is a good thing is when not hacking is actively harming the game. by not picking a side, they aren’t really harming anyone…

[native crystal]

its obviously ridiculous dont give it the time of day and focus on actual productive discussion

[fringe python]

I don't have time to read all this, but what is the overall suggestion???

[light marten]

Add pride update
And i guess ban ai

[fringe python]

Yeah okay ig

Idk

I was just interested because of the 🍞 emoji

[zenith dune]

bread

[mild holly]

Bro did not read my message

[haughty shuttle]

I wouldn’t say hackers finding a way to change official maps and not being happy is over reacting

I interpreted overreacting as is not liking the changes because they thought it was actually staying

-# every time it’s happened before (even with the void gnome Capital people were not happy

[mild holly]

I'm saying overreacting as in people quiting because one pride flag was added and they wouldn't say a hacker did it until they remove it

[native crystal]

Every element of that concept sucks we can Move Past It

[haughty shuttle]

Yeah, I don’t like the part where they would say it was the result of a hack

That puts a negative connotation between hacking and the community, not necessarily that people don’t like pride, but that it associates the two

[mild holly]

It's ment to see what the community would do

[haughty shuttle]

I get that, but I don’t think the potential drawbacks outweigh the experiment

[safe scroll]

I have no idea what this is about but I think there is no need to add LGBTQ+ cosmetic it’s not homophobia its just they don’t need to have comsmetics to show there supported

[native crystal]

they arent obligated to add lgbtq+ cosmetics but they shouldnt be afraid of doing so

they havent made any comment regarding it as of yet

i recommend you read this
#1482243006042996901 message

[safe scroll]

THATS a good point but I read it as you have to pick I side they need to add it or they shouldn’t

I can’t be bothered to read all that😥

[native crystal]

thats where i disagree with the sentiment shared in the original post even if i do agree with them in the abstract

[native crystal]

they havent taken a centrist opinion they havent given one at all yet because they arent obligated to

[signal mirage]

sorry i had to

[native crystal]

they havent involved themselves directly in anything that would require them to, although i would personally like them to

they being the trass team

[drifting karma]

no

[safe linden]

🍞

[odd bough]

Snek :3

[zinc hawk]

this is why AI is the best

[fringe forum]

i think i already said this but like

• yeeps isn't catering to homophobes by not adding pride, they just don't want it to be attacked. think of the way some gtag players would slander other people just because they had one pride cosmetic
• AI should most definitely be banned, not gonna make any direct bias but, AI is mostly combining pre-existing work for copy-paste images with slight changes
• Yeeps being associated with pride just shouldn't be added, but this goes with religion, politics, etc. which is obvious on it's own due to different beliefs
• this whole topic is all about yeeps being "centrist." though i do agree they should pick a side, I feel that some things shouldn't be included in this argument (specifically pride due to the fact it would just cause issues, not trying to cater to homophobes nor let people be targeted for pride)
• I'm pretty sure yeeps is all about being original, so AI not being banned in any way is kind of sad, so I feel they will eventually ban any usage of art in yeeps when it comes to AI

i do feel like the pride part of this topic has already been established
-# correct me if im wrong for I am positive there are screenshots of mods and devs saying that the reason to NOT add pride would be because of different beliefs and other people's slander
but im personally more focused on the AI part of this, because I have no clue what any member of Trass has said about the usage of AI in their community, but I do hope they make a statement about their opinions on it

[winged nymph]

ai is banned in #1214971036664074301

[fringe forum]

oh i didnt know that

thank you

[winged nymph]

[fringe forum]

📯

[nocturne storm]

0/10 rage bait didn’t even make a snarky comment about actual artists

[light marten]

Yes

[neon raptor]

applying really heavy now

[neon raptor]

like bro

[final lantern]

i know you may have already talked about this, but i just want to be clear if anybody doesn't understand, just because a person doesn't exactly agree with the moral beliefs that has to do with LGBTQIA+, does not mean they are a homophobe, being a homophobe means to treat others with prejudice based on their sexual orientation, for example, a Christian believes that its a sin, BUT that does not mean we should treat others differently because of our different moral beliefs. If we were to treat others differently because of this, that would be homophobia 👍 although this is a thought provoking suggestion, i say we should not cater to either side as to keep the community civil and not to start hating on other people.

Tl;DR i think it should just be in the middle and let the players do the work of adding what they want.

[neon raptor]

damn guess being accepting of all is a belief now

I believe in being kind ig

[final lantern]

sorry about that lol im not very good with wording as english is not my first language

what i meant to say was that we believe different things and have different opinions on a moral level, but that shouldn't mean we should treat others differently, can we atleast both agree that despite our views, we should always be kind and accepting to others, regardless of belief or choice?

[neon raptor]

thats what pride is

accepting everyone

[final lantern]

alright, thank you for keeping this civil, i just wanted to voice my opinions, i think froney said it well enough tbf

[dense zenith]

ExACTLY

Either you add all these things to make everyone included or you don’t, and you clearly should know what the answer is

[dense zenith]

Literally the stupidest crap ever

Also

The entire “separate belief” argument is so vague

The separate belief of what? Lgbtq existing? I see custom items like it all the time and I see no one complaining

[dull verge]

I don't think we need this post alive again

[narrow portal]

I just dont want controversial posts man
arguing is outta control rn

but uh

question

why is it that denying a pride suggestion is homophobic...

[fast lagoon]

The people that are homophobic are normally underage players

[dull verge]

Depends on why, normally the reason why people do it to the extreme though is because of the stereotypes of the arguers, and reaaally wanting the update

[narrow portal]

ahhh

gotcha

thanks

[dull verge]

Honestly the best way to argue in support of this is to assume everyone neutral to this and to give them a good view on the benefits

[glad fjord]

I'm not saying it does, I'm saying that actively denying these suggestions makes it SEEM like they're catering towards bigots

I know they're trying the stay neutral or whatever

But this is exactly why it doesn't work

[quick moss]

I think thats even though it does seem like they are catering towards the bigots they also know that their community is 1. Sensitve 2. Immature 3. Came from Gorilla tag
Gorilla Tags pride update only cause hate.

[dull verge]

I think the title/basic idea of this suggestion is starting to be pretty needed, like it or dislike it the pride situation is reaching yet another boiling point similar to when it wasn't allowed, 2 sudden posts against pride posts or the situation as a whole, the survey idea is a really good one so we can at least get some progress

[lament shard]

Ai war but pride edition

[mint kite]

One of the rules says nothing religious

#⚖️・rules

[narrow portal]

they can change it like they did for pride

[mint kite]

/rule 4

[white bear]

I think it’s fine if they don’t pick sides

[mint kite]

How do u do it

[narrow portal]

?rule4

[torn cipher]

:speech_balloon: Rule 4 — Avoid Sensitive Topics

No discussions about politics, religion, or other divisive subjects.

:pushpin: Read the full Server Rules here — don’t risk a ban over something silly!

[mint kite]

Exactly

?rule4

[torn cipher]

:speech_balloon: Rule 4 — Avoid Sensitive Topics

No discussions about politics, religion, or other divisive subjects.

:pushpin: Read the full Server Rules here — don’t risk a ban over something silly!

[narrow portal]

it used to include pride

it aint anymore

so they could technically do same with religion

[mint kite]

Isnt this kinda separating different people?

Like racist

[narrow portal]

yup

which is why a lotta people dont want either side

[hushed vector]

If they pick sides it will lead to a chain of events as then it will open the gates to other things

People will just start pushing for more

[narrow portal]

then yeeps would just

be not fun

[mint kite]

So then why’d u post this saying “Pick. sides” thats racism technically

[lament shard]

https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1508321932741840918

My humble opinion

Let me know what yall think

[narrow portal]

I didnt post anything

?

[mint kite]

Oh my bad

Iwait

Who made this post

[dawn garnet]

No way people will leave because of a cosmetic

[mint kite]

I thought pyromaniac did

My bad gang

[narrow portal]

have you seen humanity

[mint kite]

Remember what happened to gorilla tag? It went down because of the lgbtq+ update

Well slightly

Went down

Yeah because after the lgbtq update no one was-in servers

What is taking yall so long to write fang

[hushed vector]

I think its fine staying neutral as it doesn’t cause any problems and because the game started as neutral, trying to pick a side would be hard as the community is built around that neutrality, dont think about the discord as it is not very representative of the community as a whole

[mint kite]

Gang

[mint kite]

Exactly

[lament shard]

Neutrality is the best policy

You either stay neutral, and it all stays the same

Or you go down the adding pride path and face the positives and negatives of it

This applies to all divisive topics

[narrow portal]

negatives greatly outweigh the positives

[mint kite]

Who made this post?

[hushed vector]

Also when they do votes on stuff they should do it ingame instead of discord

[narrow portal]

lemoncake

[hushed vector]

To get a the most responses

[lament shard]

So true

Colour changing should've been ingame

90% of yeeps players dont get a say

[narrow portal]

I'd say like 60%

but still the majority

[fallow yarrow]

Random CC here, I agree with this suggestion cause this whole LGBTQ+ update thing has been happening since March, MARCH, 2 months of the same thing is concerning bro 😭🥀
but yeah that’s what I have to say

[hushed vector]

Also bam voting should be ingame

[narrow portal]

actually it started a year ago*

🤓

[hushed vector]

Doesn’t really make sense why not

[narrow portal]

well technicallllyy

within the first 2 months of suggestions if I recall correctly

but those dont count

👆 🤓

[hushed vector]

Bam got under 3000 votes we need bam voting ingame

Genuinely how

[narrow portal]

-# discord wise, yeeps feels like its dying

-# idk about game-wise though

[hushed vector]

Ingame is fine but the discord isnt

[fallow yarrow]

-# same kinda

[hushed vector]

There is constantly issues in the discord while ingame not too many

I think they should move features from the discord to ingame

Like detailed change logs ingame and checking your stats

And voting

The discord should just be for roles

And community interaction

[lament shard]

A suggestion box would be cool

But would probably be super hard to actually go through

[hushed vector]

Not mandatory for usefull features

[slim swan]

it could just be a spreadsheet that takes keywords and combines them to see what's popular among suggestions

[hushed vector]

I think suggestions should stay in the discord as people get to give their opinions on it but votes ingame would be cool

[fallow yarrow]

Wait

I FORGOT TO DO THE DAILY PUMPKIN COLORING!!

[hushed vector]

They could as implement a suggestion feature in community worlds

[spring sparrow]

bread ???

[hushed vector]

Its anti-ai

[spring sparrow]

what does bread have to do with it tho

[hushed vector]

Idk

People want ai to be banned in the discord

[fallow yarrow]

There

[hushed vector]

But they dont realize that the devs use ai to help with a bunch of stuff so they will never ban it

Most other developers also do the same

It helps reduce the amount of workload so they can push out updates fatser

[lament shard]

For coding and stuff, AI is awesome

[hushed vector]

Its just that some people overreact the effects of ai on everything to make it seem bad as ai doesn’t have a much of an impact on the environment as people say it does

Most of it is from other sources

Because they are afraid of ai replacing them but they have to learn that ai is mostly used to speed everything up, especially for small teams it allows more updates without having to work 24/7