STRICTER LAB RAT APPS

[thorn igloo]

the issue isnt to make lab rats stricter

its to make them not strict at all

[mint zenith]

a lot of people don't really know about that though
mostly just people in the discord
which is a fraction of the active playerbase, from what nathan has said

[median perch]

I know

[thorn igloo]

remove the application format

and make it opt-in like having an announcements ping

simple as that

no rewards like a zipper ingame or a unique role color or badge

[crisp gull]

Oh I never knew that interesting, thanks

[median perch]

But then there would be less mature players in lab

[thorn igloo]

there already are and that will always happen

lab servers also dont matter and you can report people there as normal

the issue of anyone being allowed in a lab rat server is way less than a lab rat acting badly in public servers because they have the vague allure of having gone through a process

and getting rewarded for it

[median perch]

I think that labrat applications should be like reviewer applications

[thorn igloo]

labrats just get access to a beta build a week before release and the reason why its a seperate channel is for people who dont want to be spoiled

[median perch]

Where you have to have to be active in discord or be some-what mature to playtest the update.

[thorn igloo]

the system has evolved since its original inception when there were less than 10k people in the server

[median perch]

Because the problem is players abusing their status as a "labrat"

[thorn igloo]

this cannot be measured anywhere close as quickly and will just be a drag on trass

and bad actors can still get in

this is what the original suggestion posed

and i disagreed with it

because it just kicks the can down the road

and benefits nobody

[chilly turret]

Lab rat should be 16+ imo

[thorn igloo]

not measurable either plus 16+ people can still be bad actors

[median perch]

I just couldn't have found an option where mature players could get labrat.

[chilly turret]

Way less likely

[gilded ermine]

labs would genuinely be empty 😭

[chilly turret]

They always chill

[median perch]

You would have to be 2 years older than a mod to get labrat

[chilly turret]

And they more serious

Not squeakers

[chilly turret]

Mod should be bumped up aswell

Mod is so low

Its wild

[thorn igloo]

at least mods have standards they have to abide by as people in power

all lab rats have to do is not spoil the new update to people who dont apply

[chilly turret]

14 Yr old mods son

Is there any mods that are 14

Idk

[median perch]

What about cc's?

They make videos about the labs

[thorn igloo]

notice how he didnt say 16+

[royal bison]

alot prob

[median perch]

Me or Loniii?

[chilly turret]

Im sorry but if you're 14 and you're a mod here

You have way too much time

[thorn igloo]

its weird but its fairly easy to ignore youtube spoilers if you just dont recommend the channel of popular star creators

you just cant be spoiling stuff in #💬・general because people dont want lab spoilers

[median perch]

But there are people who would like to get an image of the new update, so the people who don't block those creators can get to see the lab.

[median perch]

People spoiling lab things in general should know better

[crisp gull]

Then like just don’t look at anything then

[thorn igloo]

genuinely incoherent message i dont know how to respond to this even though it isnt even that bad

[thorn igloo]

you arent allowed to post lab spoilers in general thats it

thats all you have to do as a lab rat

just dont spoil lab builds

hell just generally since non-lab rats watch youtuber coverage all the time

and make suggestion threads about it

[median perch]

What I was trying to say was there are people who aren't labrats that want to know what's going to be in the new update.

[thorn igloo]

that have to be spoiled

[crisp gull]

And put a warning

[thorn igloo]

yeah so they watch the youtubers instead of blocking them on youtube

if you dont want spoilers then you do block them

but you cant just block seeing people on discord talking about it like on youtube

[median perch]

Didn't you say to ignore the accounts that post the lab leaks?

[thorn igloo]

if you dont want spoilers

but if you do want spoilers

then watch the videos

[median perch]

This

[thorn igloo]

but those arent in the discord

[thorn igloo]

yes thats referring to people who dont want to see spoilers

[median perch]

I was referring to cc's

[thorn igloo]

they can just not recommend the content creators channels

[median perch]

On youtube

[thorn igloo]

but people who do want to see spoilers

dont have to

because they want to see the spoilers

thats the point

[median perch]

I know

[crisp gull]

Then just don’t get on anything that can spoil it or just mute labrats

[gilded ermine]

just remove every role at this point

[chilly turret]

Delete the discord go

[thorn igloo]

Havent considered this.

[median perch]

There's 2000+ labrats picked every batch

[median perch]

I think

[gilded ermine]

I was joking 😭

[chilly turret]

I doubt 2000 bro

2000?

[thorn igloo]

wait twinsies i was too ❤️

[crisp gull]

K if they really don’t want the spoils then they will take the time

[chilly turret]

Is there even 2000 people applying

[thorn igloo]

pretty much if you apply for lab rat youre getting in its a very open door

[gilded ermine]

imma be so fr I thought you were serious

[thorn igloo]

but the fact you have to apply gives it the allure that theres a process

and that you get a unique role for it

[chilly turret]

I got lab first try

[gilded ermine]

same

[crisp gull]

No when I first applied I didn’t get it so I had to go through cc when it was first made

[thorn igloo]

its comedically easy but i dont care largely because i want to be blue but also because i want to play updates when theyre fully out

[thorn igloo]

what did they decline you for

[crisp gull]

If you don’t care then what’s the point

[crisp gull]

Idk bro it was 2 years ago

[chilly turret]

I used to be a pro lab rat but I rarely play labs nowadays

[thorn igloo]

because of the social ecosystem it puts onto the yeeps community

[chilly turret]

Play them like once or twice when they first come out

Then thats about it

[thorn igloo]

which has had negative effects on the reputation of lab players

because you can tell when someone Is a lab rat

you shouldnt be able to tell lab rats apart from normal players

because thats what trass wants to do

so giving them rewards like a unique zipper so they can show that theyre a lab rat is counter intuitive

im saying this for the 5th time praying you actually read it this time

[gilded ermine]

honestly from what I’ve seen labs aren’t very different from the actual release

take this update for example

[thorn igloo]

this update is actually on the contrary it added a few new powers

[crisp gull]

My man it’s just a zipper that’s like a
Saying remove the any free badge because they played during that time so it makes them better

[thorn igloo]

same for the original fishing update it was way more barebones

[thorn igloo]

the free badges dont appear on the leaderboards

[crisp gull]

Ok why do you care that is shows

[thorn igloo]

actually i might be fine with the lab rat zipper staying but it shouldnt appear on the leaderboard

same for reviewers

[thorn igloo]

because it indicates that theyre a role above other people

[gilded ermine]

there were very few changes from lab to full release, the only thing I noticed was that the lab had coco priced at 400 cotton and the full release changed it to 300 cotton (I think that changed during the lab tho)

[crisp gull]

Most labrats don’t wear it I’ve bearly worn it

[thorn igloo]

at least high streaks are like Wow you play yeeps a lot

[thorn igloo]

but when one that does act badly it reflects poorly on yeeps rather than them as a player

because theyre trusted enough to be a lab rat

[crisp gull]

No it doesn’t it just means they have it

[thorn igloo]

when theres the facade of lab rat actually mattering

people put lab rat in their nicknames and bios

it's a big deal when it shouldnt be

and theres no way to fix that

[gilded ermine]

and if you want to still have the blue role, get lab rat and then leave the server and then join back, you’ll lose the lab rat role but it will still be in game

[thorn igloo]

without changing how its organized

[crisp gull]

Ok that’s a them thing

[thorn igloo]

its a structural flaw with the system

[chilly turret]

Why not js make lab rats actually be a role thats meant to be looked up to instead of making it vanish

[thorn igloo]

it cant be fixed by making lab rats rarer

[crisp gull]

No it’s not your making it a big one

[surreal elbow]

they should do this

[chilly turret]

If they made them stricter wouldn't they have to like do a lab rat purge tho

Like making them stricter now doesnt remove all the bad lab rats that alr exist

[median perch]

I don't think that making them stricter fixes anything

It's about the response in the labrat forum

Making those harder/stricter doesn't fix anything either

[chilly turret]

Id just make testing open to everyone

Then sorta change lab rats

Into a different role

A more mini mod esc role

With stricter requirements

[median perch]

But then an influx of less mature people will be in the lab.

And lab is about finding bugs and reporting them, not messing around.

[chilly turret]

Its still very immature alr

[median perch]

Labrats are held to a standard- which is to report bugs they find in the lab.

[median perch]

What is?

[chilly turret]

Just go private

[median perch]

With who

[chilly turret]

To test

Stuff

[median perch]

Large amounts of people find bugs easier/faster than 3 people do.

[chilly turret]

If they just make lab open with a public feedback system where everyone can report stuff and send stuff

Would be fine

[gilded ermine]

not really

[median perch]

Then what standard are they held to

If not that

[gilded ermine]

literally nothing

[median perch]

It's not the main standard

[chilly turret]

People just glaze labrats cuz they special

[median perch]

Then what's the point of being a labrat?

I hate labrats

I only have labrat to playtest and find bugs

[gilded ermine]

play updates early and give feedback or report bugs only if you want to

your pretty much given a choice

[median perch]

Didn't I just say that..?

[gilded ermine]

or you can just do nothing but play the updates early

[gilded ermine]

nah

[thorn igloo]

there shouldnt be any

[median perch]

@gilded ermine

[thorn igloo]

you get access to updates a week before they release to test and give feedback

thats it

[gilded ermine]

wait what does held to a standard mean

[thorn igloo]

because you enrolled in a spoiler channel

[median perch]

They should report bugs so when the update comes to live, normal players can enjoy the game without game breaking bugs.

[rough belfry]

The standards are fine I think

[chilly turret]

Youre held to certain expectations

[rough belfry]

Just because some lab rats griefed ur tycoon doesn’t mean it should be harder to be lab rat

Plus how can h tell if someone is gonna grief a tycoon based of their application

[gilded ermine]

by who? I don’t think anyone cares, not even the devs because of how many lab rats there are

[chilly turret]

Well they didnt really grief it didnt they

[gilded ermine]

so what if your not doing your job as a lab rat? nobody really cares

[chilly turret]

Idk if the message said they purposely changed it

[thorn igloo]

im going to quit talking in here but for anyone newly reading please read this instead because i also disagree with how the suggestion goes about resolving the issue but there is still a problem with how lab rats are organized
#1473158036112539738 message

[median perch]

Expactaions to report bugs

[chilly turret]

If its in a public server and theyre messing around with tokens and you tryna do something lowk not their fault

[gilded ermine]

by who?

[median perch]

Could you rephrase that for me.

[gilded ermine]

who have expectations for you as a lab rat?

[chilly turret]

There is no real "expectations"

If you dont report bugs and playtest its not like you lose labrat

[rough belfry]

Well even if they did grief it shouldn’t be harsher

[chilly turret]

You could get labrat then never go to lab

[median perch]

Expectaions to find and report bugs to the lab bug report channel so when live comes out- there's minimal to no major bugs.

And also, if everyone has labrat, no one does.

[gilded ermine]

that’s a what not a who

[median perch]

Elaborate when you say "who".

[chilly turret]

Im ngl I see more labrats in this discord then non labrats

Everyone alr does

[gilded ermine]

who has expectations for you as a lab rat?

[median perch]

Yeah, but there's still new playres joining

[median perch]

Players looking up to labrats

[chilly turret]

Just do the labrat purge then make lab rats actually have a reason to be looked up to

[gilded ermine]

who genuinely looks up to lab rats? even new players can understand that lab rats aren’t special

[median perch]

And what I meant by this is 'if everyone "playtests" the update, then whats point of having a playtest.

[chilly turret]

Kids

[median perch]

Idk

[gilded ermine]

yea even kids will understand that lab rats aren’t special 😭

[chilly turret]

Alot of people see lab rats as having more authority

Like when people do reportable stuff in my game and see me they genuinely freak out bro

Like im gonna smite them or something

[median perch]

All I'm saying is that if everyone playtests the update then whats the point of having a playtest.

[chilly turret]

Well if everyone playtests the update thats more bugs being found

[gilded ermine]

probably joking, and even then I doubt that happens often

[chilly turret]

Also allows people to actually see the update and give suggestions

[median perch]

Having a group of players playtest so then others can enjoy the update is better.

[gilded ermine]

no way someone is acting like lab rats have a higher authority when there’s probably three other lab rats in the lobby 😭

[chilly turret]

Its always the kids who freak out

People do see lab rats as having authority

Its not insanely rare

[gilded ermine]

yea all 3 people

[chilly turret]

Maybe like one in ten servers there will be a kid who sees lab rats as special

[gilded ermine]

ask someone to describe what a lab rat is and they will say “someone who play tests updates early”

[chilly turret]

Its specifically the people that are too young for discord but also shouldnt even be on vr at their age

[chilly turret]

Kids see that as cool

And glaze it

[gilded ermine]

who are these kids bro 😭

[chilly turret]

The average yeeps 8 year olds

[gilded ermine]

me at 4 years old could understand that lab rats aren’t special

[chilly turret]

And i mean, ig there is some sorta authority

Having lab rat means you have discord, which means you can effectively report anyone basically

[gilded ermine]

do kids know that?

[chilly turret]

Report system ingame is much more flawed compared to discord reporting

[chilly turret]

Who knows

[gilded ermine]

I do

[chilly turret]

Ive seen some people who do

[gilded ermine]

the answer is no

I solved it

[chilly turret]

Some kids asked me to record a fish trade for them cuz i was labrat

So idk

[gilded ermine]

who trades fish???? 😭

are we talking about the same game?

or is this animal crossing

[chilly turret]

I mean i dont usually fish much but theres a whole trading thing

In fishing

Its wild

And extremely risky

Idk why people do it

[gilded ermine]

when I go into fishing everyone is just building sky bases

I saw like 2 people trading once and that was during the fishing update

then I never saw that again

[chilly turret]

Ive seen people trade quite a few times

Dont usually care tho

Like if you get scammed its your fault son

[gentle coral]

I traded my skybase while I was fishing for a pro rod and then remembered I own them

[outer steppe]

this is true

[fallen ether]

I spy with my little eye something pink

[nimble tulip]

WRONG!!!

[thorn igloo]

having the role is a privilege, it doesnt mean youre above anyone else

thats just saying it can be taken away at any point

[nimble tulip]

brud i said nothing about beinga bove people

yeah it says you should act respectful as a labrat, which is the point of the post

[thorn igloo]

did you read at all what i was talking about

[nimble tulip]

i specifically responded to the part where you said they can act like normal players, nothiong else

[thorn igloo]

this is why i stopped talking here

[nimble tulip]

Please, speed, please stop bringing in other stuff into the conversation to back yourself up

[thorn igloo]

refer to this

[nimble tulip]

ok then 👍

[zenith lintel]

oh my god it got EVEN WORSE

People just build giant flinging machines with the gravity zones

Its actually so annoying

This is NOT testing

it it being annoying to be annoying

It literally PREVENTS testing

it does NOT get more clear than that

trass PLEASE to something it gets worse and worse every update jesus christ

[waxen yacht]

YES WE NEED THIS. I remember back when I first got labrat everyone would enjoy the new update, test bugs and help each-other out. Now there is more 9 year olds then actually 13+ people. I can’t even try to report bugs no without being harassed for it. It is so annoying. Even if labrat applications don’t get more strict, I think a good way to prevent this is by telling them that there main priority is to test for bugs, and you can still check out the update, but if you mess with others trying to report bugs, then your labrat can/will be taken away.

[zenith lintel]

Sorry for my chud lisp

[gilded ermine]

they are testing if the music works or not

w lab rats

[lone zodiac]

Nah they testing gravity

[granite harbor]

They need to be stricter, but more free at the same time
I do see Lab Rats that don't really fit the lab rat role
But I also see people that want to be Lab Rat, should be Lab Rat, but yet they aren't.

[fast jungle]

Like me fr

[zenith lintel]

Revive

[zenith lintel]

Meant to send this to pbof btw

[zealous aspen]

I remember one time in lab there was a glitch and some kid showed me and I said "bruh I gotta report ts" and he said "Bro no don't report it it's too funny!!"

[zenith lintel]

Who else but labrats?

[deft grove]

a

YES

[deft grove]

THIS IS FIRE

WE NEED THIS

they be accepting anybody these days…

[zealous aspen]

They accepted boss baby

[deft grove]

yes

[verbal kayak]

Ig we could get rid of all the labrats after the ones that got it in 2024 and then make them have to apply again, but with stricter apps

[dull skiff]

I’ve tried 14 times what am I doing wrong 😭

[fast coral]

Yes because of the "have a BADGE to make them seem superior"

[dull skiff]

What am I doing wrong

[verbal kayak]

What do you put in your application?

[deft grove]

yeah, either that or its… Age Verification AHHHHHHHHHHH

[deft grove]

have you ever made a game similar to Gorilla tag or really anything else? If so, put it in you application, thats what got me in

[dull skiff]

I’ve never made a game similar to gorilla tag. Is there anything else I could do?

[lunar heart]

Actually good point, I can just use my scratch game I'm actively making for my lab resume

[deft grove]

Alrighty then!

-# would be a lot better if it was unity

[lunar heart]

I used to have lab but uhhhhh miscommunication in a message got me discord muted and yeayea, although the lab removal is good motivation for going the CC route of lab applications

(and actually making stuff in general)

[deft grove]

uhh getting muted in discord doesn’t take away roles, in game mutes do…

[lunar heart]

Either way I did used to have lab rat, might get it back if the appeals accepted

[gleaming marlin]

labrats who try hiding bugs should immediately have their labrat revoked

the ENTIRE POINT of labrat is that you're a BUG TESTER and you go LOOKING FOR BUGS

[runic compass]

Is that not already told?

Pretend I replied to the message above the one I did

[gleaming marlin]

im not sure

[lunar heart]

In the first lab (I still have access to lab servers, just not discord stuff) someone was gatekeeping a glitch that transfers different gravity to other maps so hard man, they said they didn't want it patched even though it will anyway

[heady valley]

That's why I go to a private code in the first lab

[runic compass]

It’s not, but it definitely should be

[gleaming marlin]

lwk should've reported them

[lunar heart]

Eh

Too late now

Id say maybe make lab servers have stricter rules on things,

[gilded ermine]

how does this post consistently have the most equal x to sparkle ratio 😭

[gleaming marlin]

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!

[runic compass]

WHOOP WHOOP

[lunar heart]

Ban lab application suggestions

[runic compass]

Ban “Ban lab application suggestions” suggestions

[verbal kayak]

I don’t think a scratch game would really help on your application, not to me anyway

[verbal kayak]

My idea is spreading to other topics 😈

_ _
Ban “Ban Ban lab application suggestions” suggestions

[dusk heart]

yes

[gloomy fiber]

why is the X higher

[velvet bridge]

Cause Labrat should be easy to get lmao

[gloomy fiber]

for people that deserve it yeah

[velvet bridge]

Anybody can get it

Shouldn’t be hard

[gloomy fiber]

that's the problem

tinytim67 can get lr

[velvet bridge]

So?

Labrat isn’t a high tier role 😭🙏

[sterile condor]

sir it's a wilds map, if you want to make a tycoon then go a private world or private code
and also how in loaf's name will the reviewers check for "common sense" and "human decency", being a lab rat isn't this serious

[gloomy fiber]

you either see my point and are ignoring it or you're blind

just because it's not a high tier role doesn't mean they should be letting literally everyone in

it says they're held to a higher standard

[velvet bridge]

Ig

But if they don’t deserve it and get banned, then yeah

I just don’t see the need tvh

Tbh

[gloomy fiber]

well you're a game mod

[velvet bridge]

Yup

[gloomy fiber]

can someone tell me where i was going with this 😭

i don't know what i was saying

[deft grove]

yes

[dusty cypress]

think I already said this

but

__✨private worlds✨ __

[zenith lintel]

1. Not everyone can afford one
2. You almost always need to borrow blocks from other players
3. People shouldn't be hindering testing to begin with, I shouldn't HAVE to move

[dusty cypress]

1: the price is for the solotude
2: if you need blocks in a private, dont you also need blocks in a wilds?
3: its wilds. its meant to be wild.

[zenith lintel]

1. Ig
2. My whole point is that you HAVE PLAYERS to borrow from in wilds
3. I can understand that in the public servers, but labs are supposed to work to find bugs and stuff. The things I see people do ACTIVELY HINDER testing. If you think that's productive then there's no changing your mind

[dusty cypress]

1: can I just call #2 #1 now?
2: I mean I guess, but thats why you buy blocks and stuff...
3: did you at least tell em you were testin it out?

[zenith lintel]

Yes.. and even if I didn't they should have the brain capacity to use context clues

[dusty cypress]

WAIITT WAIT WAIT

I THOGUTH THIS WAS THE WILDS POST

IM SO SORRY

hang on lemme read rq

yea you right bout LR's needing more strictness

[elder talon]

Im lwk scares to do my cc challanges cause then i'll become one with the green

[deft grove]

stricter content creator apps...

[elder talon]

I didnt even apply

[deft grove]

pop up?

[elder talon]

Yup

Im not planning on applying to anything ever

Not even for a j*b

[thorn igloo]

they are

theyre fundamentally treated like one because of the bonuses they get and organization in the discord

you can read this
#1473158036112539738 message

[thorn igloo]

and i agree, they should be made easier

they just shouldnt Be a higher role and shouldnt have any invite only processes, it should be opt-in

[thorn igloo]

they can say stuff like this all they want but fundamentally lab rats have a power divide because they have a higher role in the discord, a unique color, and more permissions

becoming a lab rat should just require gaining a role like announcement pings but instead its a whole application process

[bleak jewel]

Dude do what I do start recording them report them to discord to get their lab taken for being under 13 then report the voice evidence to oculus by looking at usernames to get their oculus acc investigated

[thorn igloo]

and if players misbehave in lab rat servers then be far more strict and ban them from both the normal game and lab rat servers

and the discord too if they need to be in the discord to get access to lab rat builds

[zenith lintel]

Sup party people

[thorn igloo]

it just shouldnt be an invite only system that gives lab rats a higher rank

because trass has stated that they dont want it to be a higher rank

yet it is

[zenith lintel]

I had an idea where everyone loses their labrat after every update, so "bad labrats" can be filtered out

[thorn igloo]

lab rats and normal players are seperated

[bleak jewel]

No cus that would give new ppl even less of a chance cus more apps

[thorn igloo]

this would just complicate things and make the invite only process be more arduous for trass to do

[zenith lintel]

Idk just a thought

[bleak jewel]

Read my comment

[thorn igloo]

this doesnt really matter as much

[bleak jewel]

Not that one

Also this applys to every oculus game no matter rating cus oculus tos states you gotta be 13+ to use cus of brain stunting in children

[bleak jewel]

Did you read it?

[thorn igloo]

honestly underage people being lab rats isnt even the issue its the fact that those underage people are given a higher role than average people so if they act out it's a reflection on trass for giving someone like that a higher role

[lunar heart]

True, I think about Minecraft snapshots commonly in these suggestions, since you can freely go to the public testing versions both bedrock and Java, and that game is far more popular, either make applications stricter or have none at all

[thorn igloo]

trass can say that you shouldnt act like theres a power imbalance or your lab rat will be taken away but they made the power imbalance through how the lab rat role/rewards and application process are formatted

because at the end of the day, as strict as lab rat applications can be, some bad actor or child can get through

theres no way to stop that and try as you might the issue will always exist

all that changes is that now trass spends more time going over reviews heavily instead of being able to do stuff like make the game

[lunar heart]

As you've already said, there being an application, and thus scarcity at all makes a sense of priority

[thorn igloo]

yeah

[thorn igloo]

whats also weird is that despite the scarcity the application isnt even that hard to do

so not only is the barrier really open but it has the illusion of being a complicated process that only trusted people can do

ofc only one of those can be real but culturally in yeeps its felt all the same

[lunar heart]

It also brews somewhat gatekeeping communities, along with a few suggestions a few months or so ago, I'm in the Orion drift discord and a lot of EA players are like that

[thorn igloo]

and i do think it is the former but its commonly believed that trusted people are lab rats when they just signed a form and got given it without much thought

[thorn igloo]

that too but gatekeeping isnt really as much of an issue since youtubers usually put out videos as soon as possible covering lab rat stuff and it comes out a week later

and youre also discouraged from spoiling in non-lab rat channels

so on that end they're good and i'd still keep that system if lab rats become opt-in instead of invite only

because the only reason you wouldnt get the role is if you dont want to be spoiled and want to play it when its more polished

[lunar heart]

I mean it as in people who kinda hate non members of beta testing

[thorn igloo]

that is also felt but it comes from a "these people didnt care enough to go through the process so theyre probably more immature and young" which ive seen the sentiment be held a few times

which to an extent Yeah i guess that is true but it just causes more of a divide even if not outwardly facing

thats also an issue with lab rats being a completely different color, it's easy to tell from a glance who is and isnt a lab rat

ofc the lab rat role should still exist but just from looking at my name without opening my profile you couldnt tell that i have the 250+ streak role

and the lab rat role should be formatted like that too

[lunar heart]

For being simply a beta testing role labrat sure is held pretty highly

[thorn igloo]

in its formatting and culturally since both in the discord and game it's indicated fairly blatantly

you get the lab rat zipper (which btw i think would still be cool if "old" lab rats still got to keep) but it gives you a giant icon on the leaderboard

which is something only also shared by star creators and mods

that and streaks but they dont matter as much since its moreso just a way to flex

which they can have just fine, often times if anything its more embarassing to have a higher streak 😭

but lab rats really shouldnt

[lunar heart]

If anything CC should have leaderboard zippers/badges

[thorn igloo]

and its not even like a "trass is wrong about how lab rats are organized" because they've said that they shouldnt be held higher than normal users

yet despite that everywhere you look lab rats are higher ranks like moderators

[thorn igloo]

Eh tbf that would just encourage more scammy worlds because theyre going after a reward

not a half bad idea but maybe like a "developers choice"

although that is also covered by bam trophy badges so idk

[lunar heart]

Beta testing for what's already very open and known doesn't need an application honestly, it'd benefit trass I think, the biggest issue would really be moderation being split in two versions of the game

[thorn igloo]

i mean the trickiest part of moderation is determining whether or not you give them a warning or ban them outright or just put down the application

for lab rat servers you can be a lot stricter since the purpose of it is to test features

i'd also personally cut down the lab rat version even more to just be features that trass wants to test instead of essentially being a second version of the game since a lot of people just use it as a "mature" version of yeeps since its less likely to find children

which is also why you see people have way more of an issue with it less because children are annoying and trolly but because thats why theyre playing lab servers

[thorn igloo]

like essentially Just have the "new" section of the game since thats where all the new content that needs testing is

thats another thing to cut down the lab version from just being a higher class barrier and reduce the worry of Ohhh no but then kids will come in while im doing other things because like What are you doing in lab servers if not to test

thats more of a throwaway concept and i'd be fine not doing that but at least reorganize how the lab rat role is formatted

just an idea because the lab system is a bit odd and encourages the seperation of lab rats and normal players more because people just stick to the lab version

[zenith lintel]

I suggest that trass should just remove the lab rat badge, discord role, and #🔒・lab-rats-only (lab-rats-only)

But keep lab announcements, release notes, and feedback/suggestions ofc

[heady valley]

Varies by region

And country

[bleak jewel]

No

It is avsolute

[heady valley]

Yes it does

[bleak jewel]

1.1a

Read it

[heady valley]

You said to read your messages but you don't read Meta's ToS

[bleak jewel]

1.1a of the ToS

[bleak jewel]

1.1.a. You must be at least 13 years of age to create one or more accounts supported by a MPT Product, such as a Meta account. You may create a Meta account on behalf of your child ages 10 to 12. When your child turns 13, they will have 30 days to start managing their Meta account or they will be blocked from using their device. Meta accounts for children ages 10 to 12 may not be supported on all MPT Products, including Meta Wearable Products.

[velvet bridge]

bro what 💀

[bleak jewel]

Meaning any child under 10 is bannable

[heady valley]

You copy/pasted but you forgot to read a phrase 😭

[velvet bridge]

I'm the complete opposite opinion lmao

[heady valley]

"You may create a Meta account on behalf of your child ages 10 to 12"

[zenith lintel]

Yes

[bleak jewel]

Yes key word is that beginner age of 10 most kids that cause issues are ones that are 5-8 so it very well falls into this category

[zenith lintel]

Remove everything that makes labrats superior

[velvet bridge]

If you are under 10y old, you cannot play Yeeps.

If you are 10-12y old, you must have a parent managed account

If you are 13+, you are free to play yeeps

[velvet bridge]

no bro 💀

[heady valley]

Oh, I see

[velvet bridge]

[zenith lintel]

Yes bro

[heady valley]

Well the middle part "10-12 years old" still is proving my point imo

[bleak jewel]

If ur 10-12 you can still play but in still reading

[zenith lintel]

People only want labrat to be superior to other players, they could not care less about bug testing

[velvet bridge]

It's an application process. People should have some sort of thing to be proud about.

[velvet bridge]

If this happens, they get removed from the program btw

[zenith lintel]

So removing everything that makes labrats superior is the obvious solution

[velvet bridge]

In my experience, I haven't seen players do this much

[zenith lintel]

Do they now 🫩

[heady valley]

Remove the LR badge. That's the only way to fix this

[velvet bridge]

yes...

[zenith lintel]

Even if they do not explicitly flex their lab badge, they do not care about bug testing and patching bugs

I've seen labrats TRY TO HIDE BUGS

[thorn igloo]

they shouldnt because theyre normal players

trass wants them to be normal players

they dont want any class disparity

[velvet bridge]

Lm yap for a second

[zenith lintel]

They are literally separated from normal players in the discord what more evidence do you need

[obtuse geyser]

yeah, that is an issue, unless they've already reported it and they don't want it to be known.

[obtuse geyser]

we can still speak with others.

[thorn igloo]

have you turned around 180 on the original premise of the thread?

[zenith lintel]

No i mean they are shown separately from "normal" players

[thorn igloo]

just wondering since you made it lol

[zenith lintel]

What?

[thorn igloo]

like the original thread was about making it stricter

[zenith lintel]

Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive

[thorn igloo]

well i guess theres one thing to change the application process and another to remove how obvious it is that someone is a lab rat so youre right

[velvet bridge]

MY OPINION (pls don't argue lol)

Labrat is an application process, it is not a "high-tier role" like Star Creator or Game Moderator.

It should be VERY easy to get in. The whole point of Labrat is to help test the upcoming updates and make sure nothing major is happening. (THE DEVS WANT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO HELP)

Sure, some people don't report bugs, I agree this can be problematic. I don't know the solution here

If people try to "flex" their labrat role, they get removed from the program. It's that simple.

Going back to the top, since it's an application process, there should be some reward so that players are motivated to actually apply.

[thorn igloo]

the latter 100% needs to happen

[thorn igloo]

theyre discouraged from flexing but the system encourages it

[velvet bridge]

how?

Having a badge in-game doesn't show that they're flexing it

They're just proud of themselves bro 😭

[thorn igloo]

its like having a flamethrower in the middle of a bus like yeah people get punished for using the flamethrower to burn other people but the better solution is to remove the flamethrower

[thorn igloo]

its inherently a distinction

you should be proud to be a lab rat because youre in lab rat servers and it starts and ends there

[obtuse geyser]

it is just a cosmetic, why do people make a big deal out of it

[velvet bridge]

I can't tell if your saying that on my side lmao

[thorn igloo]

all lab rat should be is a role that doesnt change your color or status in the discord sidebar hierarchy like how you have the announcement ping role

[zenith lintel]

You can say this as much as you like but lab rats ARE superior
They get an exclusive cosmetic, exclusive role and channels in the discord, and are shown separately from normal players in the discord

[thorn igloo]

you shouldnt be able to tell someone is a lab rat just by looking at them

[zenith lintel]

As a lab rat, that should be changed

[velvet bridge]

okay?

I'm just confused on how this is a problem

[obtuse geyser]

I think mainly your side

[zenith lintel]

Because they shouldn't be

You admit they shouldn't be superior

[thorn igloo]

again even if you punish the people who do flex theyre given items that normal players dont have

[velvet bridge]

They shouldn't be superior. It's not a high tier role. It's a simple role... that's it...

though

[thorn igloo]

they shouldnt have anything to flex because its easy to become a lab rat

[velvet bridge]

they deserve some recongition?

[obtuse geyser]

content creators get almost the same, but do different things. It is just how discord servers are usually structured

[velvet bridge]

exactly

[zenith lintel]

The fact that its a higher role alone is bad

[velvet bridge]

they don't bro 😭

[thorn igloo]

so then why do they get their own category

[velvet bridge]

of what

[velvet bridge]

u

[thorn igloo]

theyre seperated from normal players

literally put above

[zenith lintel]

The whole point of the CC role is to grow their profiles

[velvet bridge]

Because it shows they're a labrat

[zenith lintel]

Why is that necessary?

[thorn igloo]

you shouldnt be able to tell that they are labrats though

[velvet bridge]

if people have questions about updates, they are encouraged to talk to labrats about it

[thorn igloo]

you shouldnt be able to tell someone is a labrat without going to their discord bio

[zenith lintel]

You don't have to glaze everything trass does you won't get your mod taken away

[velvet bridge]

yes you should bro 😭

[obtuse geyser]

yeah, just another role that also seems to have welcoming applications

[thorn igloo]

they arent supposed to talk about updates outside of lab channels

[velvet bridge]

i'm not. It's completely my opinion lmao

[velvet bridge]

yes they are?

that's why CC's make videos

to spread awarness of the update

[thorn igloo]

if anything trass wants them to be indistinguishable

[zenith lintel]

They don't have to be separated tho, they can have the color and icon without being shown separately from normal users

[bleak jewel]

I love bug testing its hilarious so nu uh

[thorn igloo]

cc videos arent the same as talking in the discord

[obtuse geyser]

we are supposed to spread unless people say otherwise

[thorn igloo]

see

cc's make their videos but its not like its being shown to people in discussion

[velvet bridge]

Okay, fair enough

Though tbh it'd look very weird and unprofessional if there was gray, pink, beige, green in the player list

[bleak jewel]

Yea i do this in other games cus if I lose my fun tricks what am i

[sullen turtle]

Lowk I agree, I feel like LR has been slowly losing what it used to be

[zenith lintel]

It already looks unprofessional with gray and the yeep colors

[thorn igloo]

what makes a lab rat more professional than a normal player?

[zenith lintel]

Checkmate

[heady valley]

Hot take: Remove lab rats and give the LR benefits to Star Program

[velvet bridge]

bro what 😭

Not what I said at all btw

[zenith lintel]

Star program already gets lab benefits and then some

[obtuse geyser]

that is the worst possible fix.

[bleak jewel]

Nah

[thorn igloo]

if lab rats dont have a green role then why does that make them look less professional than the average player

[velvet bridge]

like wat

[obtuse geyser]

makes the server look more professional, not the users.

[heady valley]

It's a hot take after all

[velvet bridge]

ohhh you're saying to remove the role completely

[sullen turtle]

Early leaks

[velvet bridge]

fair

[thorn igloo]

not the role itself but the benefits it has like a unique color and icon

it should still exist since you need to have a role to access the lab

but it should be like the announcement pings

[zenith lintel]

Stars get leaks and get to test updates lab rats don't, such as Horror and 2.0

[velvet bridge]

tbh I think it's a good thing

People should have something to reward them for getting in the program

[thorn igloo]

just on your profile, and if someone wants to check youre a lab rat they can do that

[bleak jewel]

@tranquil yew what is this

[velvet bridge]

it should show that they're a labrat

[zenith lintel]

As well as being directly included in trailers far before labs can test

[thorn igloo]

a reward gives a disparity in class compared to normal players

[zenith lintel]

CCs get rewards because they actively "advertise" the game me thinks

[thorn igloo]

for content creators thats fine because theyre actively contributing to promoting yeeps (and they dont even have a badge that appears on the leaderboard which for some reason lab rats do)

[zenith lintel]

If anything CCs should get and badge a labs shouldnt

[velvet bridge]

CC's get labrat as well by the way

[thorn igloo]

and btw if you wouldnt remove the badge itself it shouldnt appear as an icon on the leaderboard because thats crazy

[zenith lintel]

Not all the time

[velvet bridge]

if they want it bad lmao then ye

[bleak jewel]

Dude to be a cc you dont gotta do that you just gotta post enough vids to meet a one time requirement

[sullen turtle]

I feel like CC shouldn’t get a badge. CC is not very hard to obtain and I feel like badges are for bigger feats

[thorn igloo]

if you're a cc you probably also have labrat so you can make content sooner but its not 100%

[bleak jewel]

Ye

[thorn igloo]

yeah they dont need one but they have more of a job than labrats who do

[velvet bridge]

You can post a 10 second clip of you hitting a backflip and get rewarded lmao

i did that once

[thorn igloo]

cc's do get cool cosmetics every update though

[zenith lintel]

I think CCs deserve a badge more than labrats do

[velvet bridge]

I'd say no, but yeah

anyways, I gotta head out

see you all!

[zenith lintel]

Bye lettuce

[meager lagoon]

nah i think its fine, personally i haven’t experienced any annoying lab rats

[sullen turtle]

Not really, Labrats test the game itself, and while CC’s may promote the game, I got my CC at a whopping 6 subscribers. At 6 subs, i’m not exactly promoting the game to a lot of people. Star Creator is for large promotion of the game

[zenith lintel]

That doesn't mean they don't exist homeslice

[thorn igloo]

i mean players bugtest the game after the lab finishes and it gets further refined in drops

ofc having a smaller player pool to get the worst ones out of the way is fine but it's not really much of a role

as much as it is like what any other normal player would do

just earlier

[meager lagoon]

Well you can always report them and or kick them

[sullen turtle]

(Just for information purposes i’m at 604 now )

[zenith lintel]

That's exactly why stars get MORE rewards

[zenith lintel]

I try i really do

[sullen turtle]

Exactly

[thorn igloo]

and yeah thats why cc's dont get a badge that tells everyone in the lobby that theyre something special on the leaderboard because the truly handpicked ones are the star creators

[zenith lintel]

Kicking doesn't work because there's either none or all of them

[thorn igloo]

but yet lab rats get a unique icon on the leaderboard for some reason

[sullen turtle]

Yuh

[thorn igloo]

and fyi i think neither should have icons as that should be kept for moderators and star creators (and also streak players so players are warned of their aroma)

[sullen turtle]

Honestly I think Labrats probably have the biggest job as a role. I wouldn’t argue if someone said Star Creator is more important but I feel like if Labrat suddenly disappeared it would have the most detrimental effect compared to other roles

[sullen turtle]

365 day streak and counting 😔

[obtuse geyser]

remember when the horror update had 0 lab tests.

[thorn igloo]

tbf that was HEAVILY spoilered so people could be spooked so its fair

[sullen turtle]

That was kinda stupid, same with 2.0. Big updates are bound to have bugs, and I feel like Yeeps taking suspense over testing was a risky move

[thorn igloo]

imagine if ??? was shown off a week early 😭

[zenith lintel]

627 day streak

[sullen turtle]

Steak

[obtuse geyser]

they didn't have to show the maps, just some testing maps with the new features and a temporary monster to not spoil anything important

[thorn igloo]

i mean there werent that many new features in horror so testing how the game actually feels was the main purpose

[unkempt topaz]

Whats good

[analog sapphire]

P.S. this is a joke

[lunar heart]

Beta testing is important, but the style of it yeeps does, players don't need that much talent, compared to stars who do need actual talent

Sure cashiers are important in many companies but there's tons of em, it's not something special, you don't boast to people your a cashier, but it's still important

[sullen turtle]

I didn’t say anything about stars in that message

[lunar heart]

It's a comparison

[sullen turtle]

To what?

Where does talent come into this

[lunar heart]

The difference between importance of a role and the importance of a specific person in a role

[sullen turtle]

This isn’t about a role its about the importance of testing updates before release

[analog sapphire]

Maybe go in to a code

[analog sapphire]

Instead of going to a public

[zenith lintel]

Again, i shouldnt HAVE to do that

labrats should be able to be civilized

its not my fault

[waxen yacht]

What if you have to test a bug that requires at least 2 people (a ton of bugs do). It is not as simple as just going into a code