Sea Dragon Rebalance 🛠️

[viscid gyro]

I want the purple crown, but I don’t get to choose this… which I see as a problem

I think sea dragon color should be per biome, and this shouldn’t be too hard to implement

Subs » Red, Snow » Blue, Beach » Blue, Facility » Purple, Fantasy » Purple, Desert » Red.

Sandbox » All

This would make getting the crown color a choice, as only having a 33.3r% to get the one you want isn’t fair, especially when it’s so rare.

@patent isle why not?

[small parrot]

yes this is good

why is not like this

i thought it was lol

[viscid gyro]

How so? Now it’s consistent

[small parrot]

how in the world would this be more annoying???

[graceful mulch]

bro its been out for a day just wait 😭

[viscid gyro]

We’ve had it all of lab…

Although I don’t blame you for not knowing that

[graceful mulch]

well it didnt save with lab

[viscid gyro]

That doesn’t matter

[graceful mulch]

and even then people already caught sea dragons hours into lab

just keep fishing and keep playing

youll get all 3 eventually

[small parrot]

i dont think you understand

[viscid gyro]

that was due to only having 3 possible fish

[viscid gyro]

I shouldn’t have to wait that long, I’ve already spent a few days on this and have yet to get one

What if I get it last? Doing the same thing 3 times as long as I should

[graceful mulch]

its been out for 2 and there are like 90 kids in my lobbies that have gotten them without bait with toy fishing rods

and they Wont shut up about it

[viscid gyro]

Out of how many players?

[shadow path]

Like 27 or 63

[jade perch]

it just makes it easier to get the color you want

[graceful mulch]

i think its more charming to get the color based on the fish you randomly catch rather than what fish you choose to

and plus you can fish another one up even then

just get lucky and buy jelly bait a whole lot

[viscid gyro]

Charming? To spend time to get something I’ll never use…

[small parrot]

thats hours of work

[graceful mulch]

its about the journey not the destination brochacho

[viscid gyro]

Not really, doing a arduous task 3 times over is not a good journey

[jade perch]

lmao let's make the journey easier then

[small parrot]

horrible take

[graceful mulch]

all tech webs should be free instantly and buttcoins should be removed THE JOURNEY IS OVER

ALL ITEMS ARE NOW YOURS

[viscid gyro]

Holy straw man

[small parrot]

thats not comparable at all

[viscid gyro]

Out in the open

[graceful mulch]

you arent obligated to get the fishing crown nor should it be something you do just because

it's an indicator that you spent a lot of time into fishing and is a way to show that off

[small parrot]

you need to stop talking man

[graceful mulch]

incentives exist to be completable, when theyre completed theyre worthless

im genuinely right this is like a psychological element of game design

[viscid gyro]

It’s the incentive to fish, without it there isn’t a reason to fish… as it’s less efficient than looting

[graceful mulch]

and your inability to appreciate that is due to an immaturity to reflect on why you play games or engage with their rewards

[viscid gyro]

Why else would I fish

[graceful mulch]

fishing is literally infinite and is a type of weekly loot quest

[jade perch]

so why can't the incentive be colored based on biome 💔💔💔💔

explain

[graceful mulch]

okay then why remove the incentive

[viscid gyro]

I’m not 💔

That’s just not true

[graceful mulch]

i want the incentive instantly without working for it

[viscid gyro]

Plz read

[jade perch]

bro

[graceful mulch]

if you want a specific crown work for it

[viscid gyro]

Actually read the suggestion 😭

[jade perch]

the sea dragon is the same odds in every biome

take a gander if you'd like

this does NOT remove the entire point of fishing

[jade perch]

you are severely misunderstanding everything being said

[graceful mulch]

btw you need all 3 legendary fish anyways to complete your collection

[viscid gyro]

Infinite ≠ infinitely fun

Common misconception

[graceful mulch]

well it is fun but if you dont find it that then you arent obligated to engage infinitely for a cosmetic

[jade perch]

btw there's biome exclusive fish already

so uh

fishing is pointless chat

we removed the incentive 😔

[graceful mulch]

yeah but those already exist

[jade perch]

and this could exist

[viscid gyro]

There’s no point to do something in a video game in the intrinsic value doesn’t outweigh the extrinsic value… that’s the basics of game design

[jade perch]

wouldn't change that much

[graceful mulch]

this is making a change to an already existing part of the game

[jade perch]

wow

you understand that

good job

explain the problem tho

[viscid gyro]

Yes

Yes it is

[graceful mulch]

Well actually no but thats a more subversive direction to take game design in some cases

like getting over it or rage games

or. Goat simulator

[jade perch]

those are good games

what's the issue

[viscid gyro]

Those games are made with the intent to break those rules

Yeeps is not one of those games

[graceful mulch]

okay then its not a definite description i was refuting your point

[graceful mulch]

fishing's design is actually a lot closer to those

[viscid gyro]

😭

[graceful mulch]

youre intentionally halted between catches

not because youre being slowed down but so that it feels better and the lulls build up to the hype when you do get one and then the rush to reel it in

and from there what you get is random

just because youre doing something a specific way doesnt mean you get the fish you want and theres a bunch of colors for each too

[viscid gyro]

That adds intrinsic value to fishing… your countering your own point

[graceful mulch]

well i mean you called it arduous

thats the design of the tedium

[viscid gyro]

Getting all three is, not getting one

[jade perch]

i'm so lost

[graceful mulch]

its why you can get random bits of junk

[small parrot]

me too

[jade perch]

do you want my popcorn

im leaving

[small parrot]

i genuinely have no idea what point this guys tryna make

[viscid gyro]

I don’t think there is one

[jade perch]

derailed podcast ahh

[graceful mulch]

i'm describing why fishing is designed the way it is to then loop back around to the point that sea dragons are already random intentionally because thats part of the tedium

[jade perch]

man there's gonna be tedium either way

[small parrot]

so why do you have a problem with the dragons being biome based

there are other that are

[graceful mulch]

this is a shortcut to get a preexisting part of the game sooner because you want a specific color instead of working for that

[viscid gyro]

Getting a sea dragon is not tedious… getting a specific color is… your miss-interpreting my point

[jade perch]

removing the barely reachable goal of the sea dragon isn't gonna make much meaningful changes other than a lot of people in fantasy because purple is the best color

[graceful mulch]

i dont have issue with fish being biome based its turning a preexisting fish into biome specific variant ones

[graceful mulch]

so is any other fish

[small parrot]

why?

[graceful mulch]

sea dragons arent special

[jade perch]

in

[small parrot]

bro

[graceful mulch]

outside of being rare to find one at all

[jade perch]

in what world

[viscid gyro]

lmao

[small parrot]

it has legendary in the name dude

[viscid gyro]

Lost the argument himself lol

gg

[graceful mulch]

this conversation is special but i wouldnt exactly call it legendary

[jade perch]

i am legendary 😎

[small parrot]

bro what are TALKING ABOUT

[graceful mulch]

and im special

[small parrot]

im so lost dude

[jade perch]

i used to be a legendary yeep before they renamed the roles

[jade perch]

and i'm optimism!!! ahh lmao

[small parrot]

are we talking to an ai thats designed to disagree with everything

[graceful mulch]

all fish have unique colors

its not like you go to a specific biome to get the colors you want for a fish

[jade perch]

local person with a name my brain can't comprehend the spelling of discovers contrarianism

[graceful mulch]

otherwise they wouldve done it

[viscid gyro]

Not all the fish are extremely rare

[small parrot]

bro

[graceful mulch]

and the game would be a lot more basic if that was how it worked

[small parrot]

you literally do

[graceful mulch]

where you get all fish in a biome and move on

but you over time accumulate different types of fish

you're incentivized to go in different biomes for the special biome exclusive fish

[small parrot]

certain fish and certain colors are biome specific

[graceful mulch]

but by the time you get all 5 and move on you can move along

[graceful mulch]

colors arent

there are biome specific fish but theres one for each and they all have 6 instead of the usual 10

[small parrot]

you dont know anything dude

yes they are

[viscid gyro]

He is right about that

[small parrot]

its been like that since the lab

[viscid gyro]

They’re not

[graceful mulch]

No

[small parrot]

ok i guess im tweaking then

[graceful mulch]

ive caught enough periwinkle dobbers in multiple biomes to know that they arent

[small parrot]

but some colors must be pretty rare in other biomes

[graceful mulch]

there might be specific colors that are rarer than others but nothing guaranteed from biomes

[viscid gyro]

If I pull 3 sea dragons… what’s is chance I get all three?

-# I know the answer because it’s why I made this post

[graceful mulch]

i havent noticed a significant shift in color disparity either, its not like i got the other half of my fish catalogue by just switching over to another biome

which btw i went from ocean to fantasy which are literally on opposite ends of the color wheel

couldnt get a better comparison

[small parrot]

its based the paints on that biomes tech web

its like the shirts and stuff in the cosmetic shop

[graceful mulch]

well for starters No

[small parrot]

i KNOW im not tweaking

gimme 5 minutes

[graceful mulch]

im not saying fish dont correspond to paints but the paints in the biomes tech webs arent more common from what i can tell

maybe a dev can confirm or a long spanning study can be done

[small parrot]

i swaer i saw it in lab patch notes

[graceful mulch]

was it yanny or laurel for you

[viscid gyro]

Keep in mind this is the main point

[small parrot]

true were getting off topic

nevermind about any of that

[graceful mulch]

3 times the amount of catching a particular one

[warm perch]

Facility should be red because of the 2.0 portal

[viscid gyro]

Which is 1/3

[small parrot]

sea dragons should be biome based

[graceful mulch]

but the randomness of what fish you catch and their colors are an integral mechanic to fishing as a whole

and sea dragons are the extreme of that where theyre incredibly rare non-biome specific fish

[jade perch]

with this they wouldn't be biome specific tho

[graceful mulch]

if you get a sea dragon color you dont want then Tough luck its the same for all other fish

[jade perch]

only their colors

[viscid gyro]

so, (1/3)^3

(1/3)^3 * 100 =3.704

3.704%

[graceful mulch]

colors are essentially different fish entirely by the games logic

just the same type of fish

[jade perch]

they are

[jade perch]

yeah the suggestion is to change that because they aren't like any other fish

[graceful mulch]

youre just as likely to catch a blue fivehead flopper as a red fivehead flopper

[jade perch]

flounder

[viscid gyro]

Keep in mind the sea dragon is significantly rarer than all other fish

[graceful mulch]

sorry i got hit in the head too many times by them

[jade perch]

lol

[graceful mulch]

even if it took me hours after my first blue fivehead flounder its not like i can tip the scales to make me get a red one

which is part of the charm of fishing

so cutting that element out of the legendary sea dragons is antithetical to what fishing is designed around

theres a reason this wasnt how it was made to work initially

[viscid gyro]

Is a 3.704% of getting the crowns without getting any repeats fair?

[graceful mulch]

its as fair as any other fish chance

[viscid gyro]

Keep in mind that’s a high

[graceful mulch]

because thats the point

btw you can already tip the scales with the baits but those cost beans so its fine because beans deserves some money sinks

[viscid gyro]

No? The other fish are sug less rare than than these

[graceful mulch]

which mind you increase odds

[graceful mulch]

probability isnt about how many times you do it

you could get a 1% fish a thousand times instead of the 99% fish but like

Tough luck

thats just gambling

[viscid gyro]

That’s not my point, you need to account getting the fish in the first place, which you have seemingly ignored numerous times

Please read this

[graceful mulch]

you could get all 3 colors of sea dragons in your first 3 reels

[small parrot]

man we just gotta stop arguing at this point

[graceful mulch]

thats how odds work

[small parrot]

200 messages deep

[viscid gyro]

You could make it home safe drunk driving

[graceful mulch]

you could be 5 reels away from your sea dragon

keep gambling

[small parrot]

just agree to disagree atp

[jade perch]

i swear this is a message in a bottle i've gotten

[graceful mulch]

agree to gamble

[viscid gyro]

Although I wonder why people don’t condone this 🤔

That logic just doesn’t apply anywhere

Even if the sea dragon is 1/1000…

(1/1000)^3 * (1/3)^3

I have to use scientific notation that’s so small

3.7E-09% chance

That might be the worse point yet

[graceful mulch]

you dont make it home while drunk driving 100% of the times you dont drive drunk

[edgy summit]

This is good, but I would rather be able to catch a blue sea dragon (for example) in any biome not just 2

[inland sand]

Yes, that’s how updates work, here is one of the definitions of the word update: ‘an act of bringing something or someone up to date, or an updated version of something.’ Now I want you to pay attention to the last sentence, yeeps constantly reworks things based of feedback, thus changing an existing part of the game, yeeps isn’t the only game that does this, most modern multiplayer games do this, unless being made by 1-3 teenagers who just learned game development

[graceful mulch]

the tedium and random nature of what fish you get is integral to the system and theres a reason this wasnt how they did it originally

theres also 6 biome specific fish colors per biome so getting them all is still random and the system encourages you to go to each map as you complete the general collection

which i am fine with

and hasnt been changed to favor the odds of getting a specific fish people post-release want

[viscid stone]

Why?

The whole point is you don’t get to choose

[graceful mulch]

and wanting this to be done is antithetical to the game design that fishing has just for the sake of giving you the color trophy you want

if you dont have all 3 sea dragons in a month tops and youre playing daily actively then genuinely you might be one in a krillion

[graceful mulch]

and just because something can be changed doesnt mean it should and instantly gratifying people with them will just water down the game overall

[inland sand]

Not really

[graceful mulch]

it's fine now and the design of everything is top notch

[viscid gyro]

Because the red and blue ones don’t fit my look

[inland sand]

Yeah… you keep thinking that 🫩

[viscid gyro]

That’s the stupid aspect to this that should be changed… why should I have only a 33.33r% chance of getting a cosmetic that I will actually wear after all the effort of getting the fish?

[graceful mulch]

fish more if youre picky

[rocky ravine]

How much does the percentage of catching the dragon fish go up with jelly bait?

[viscid stone]

Literally this

[small parrot]

nobody knows

[graceful mulch]

lowkey irrelevant due to how probability works

[rocky ravine]

Damn

[viscid gyro]

Picky? Is having a fit that looks good visually “picky” 😭

We can’t be making these blunders left and right

[graceful mulch]

not a slight towards your point btw just the logic @rocky ravine

[rocky ravine]

I've spent 70,000+ silver beans on jelly bait today and haven't gotten 1

[viscid stone]

You should only have a 33% chance cause they’re all the same fish

[viscid gyro]

Tell me you didn’t read the suggestion without telling me:

[graceful mulch]

all 3 fish are handled differently under the same type

[viscid stone]

I read it, you’re just being picky

[viscid gyro]

What is picky about wanting to look good?

[graceful mulch]

do you want the game to give you a new fish every time you cast the reel into the water

[viscid stone]

It’s all the same chances cus they’re the same fish

[viscid stone]

Colors dont matter

[viscid gyro]

How does that relate to my point or against the suggestion?

[graceful mulch]

this is a really funny message

[viscid gyro]

Yes they do?

[small parrot]

yall are still going at this?

[graceful mulch]

not to the fishing rod

[viscid gyro]

Read the suggestion

[viscid stone]

Cause this might be the dumbest suggestion I’ve seen

[graceful mulch]

keep fishing, you got the wrong fish

[small parrot]

its not tho

[graceful mulch]

you wanted a different fish

then fish it

[viscid gyro]

Still are avoiding my question, it’s starting to look terrible for you

[viscid stone]

Go to a casino then blame the money if you don’t win

[viscid stone]

What question?

[viscid gyro]

#1466982307599483024 message

[viscid stone]

If you want to look good get the right fish

[graceful mulch]

bro i thought you were going to reply to this LMAOOO

[viscid stone]

Same

[graceful mulch]

i want you to think about that for a few years it'll click for you

[viscid gyro]

So you agree it should be possible to consistently get the same fish

That’s the suggestion

You just agreed with my suggestion lmao

[graceful mulch]

No

[viscid stone]

Yeah? It’s not like once you get a sea dragon you can never get it again? Eventually you’ll get another

[graceful mulch]

no theyre like saying

the same type of fish

instead of fish overall

which the answer is No they dont agree

[viscid gyro]

The question is in color in context, please read the suggestion to understand the context of the question

[viscid stone]

I understand the question big dawg

[graceful mulch]

the purple sea dragon is 4 reels from now Keep fishing youre right there @viscid gyro

Keep gambling

[viscid gyro]

This is ragebait… stop

[viscid stone]

You have a better chance of getting the sea dragon you want than this suggestion being implemented

[viscid gyro]

That is incorrect

33.33% ≠ 100%

[viscid stone]

This suggestion doesn’t have a 100% chance of being added

[graceful mulch]

probabilities are worthless to quantify outside of fun facts

you could get 50 sea dragons back to back

[viscid gyro]

Oh that’s how you meant that, I interpreted that in-context of the suggestion

[graceful mulch]

will you

i would hope so

then youd pipe down

[viscid stone]

I meant in general if you were to fish constantly you have a better chance of getting that fish than the suggestion being added

[viscid gyro]

You realize that means nothing right? That’s immeasurably rare

[viscid gyro]

Yeah I understand that

[graceful mulch]

just as possible as your next sea dragon being 700 reels away

realistically speaking

possibility as in an infinite quantity of theoretical possibilities

ofc there would be some permutations because of the odds

but thats irrelevant with gambling

[viscid gyro]

Me getting a sea dragon means nothing if it isn’t purple

[graceful mulch]

okay then you didnt get it

keep fishing for one

[small parrot]

you gotta realize 700 reels is alot man

[viscid stone]

Not that much

[graceful mulch]

no i didnt actually

[small parrot]

nobody wants to fish 1000 times just to get the color they dont want

[viscid gyro]

Then the task becomes arduous, and loses all intrinsic value… which is terrible from a game design perspective

[viscid stone]

A “reel” is every full rotation of your fishing rod reel

[graceful mulch]

then dont

[small parrot]

its just a nice qol thing

[graceful mulch]

you signed up for it

[small parrot]

youre still thinking about it wrong

[viscid stone]

It actually ruins some stuff

[viscid gyro]

How?

[small parrot]

??

[viscid stone]

I want to get a red one in a certain biome, if this gets added I can’t

[small parrot]

so???

[viscid gyro]

So?

[small parrot]

just go to the right biome

whats it matter

[viscid stone]

You have the same solution, KEEP FISHING

[small parrot]

thats such i small issue

[viscid stone]

So is yours

We’re even

[small parrot]

you are just finding things to complain about at this point

[graceful mulch]

well i wouldnt say it ruins things it just waters down the gameplay and challenge to be way less interesting

[viscid gyro]

It’s not an issue, every biome has a free fishing spot

[small parrot]

having to fish for 4000 more times than i need to is not a small issue

[viscid stone]

Desert has a terrible ones

[small parrot]

the challange is getting a dragon in the first place

[viscid stone]

You get constantly shot by fire lizards

[viscid gyro]

Then go to subs

[graceful mulch]

you could take 4000 attempts with or without this system

thats how probabilities work

[small parrot]

no?

i mean i guess

[viscid stone]

I want to get desert fish tho

[graceful mulch]

thats the point im making

in either system

[viscid gyro]

4000 ≠ 4000 * 1/3

[graceful mulch]

you could get a sea dragon instantly

or hours off

PROBABILITY MEANS NOTHING

[viscid gyro]

Major oversight in your logic

[small parrot]

its not about the chances of getting the sea dragon

its the chances of getting the color you want

you are thinking about it wrong

[graceful mulch]

THATS THE SAME THING

[small parrot]

no its not

2 different things man

[graceful mulch]

ALL SEA DRAGONS ARE DIFFERENT

[small parrot]

if you cant see that then you are thinking about it wrong

[viscid gyro]

Borapaws doesn’t understand probability

[small parrot]

its not about how long it takes to get the sea dragon

i dont care how long that takes i just wanna get the right color

[graceful mulch]

thats the same argument

[small parrot]

its not man

[viscid gyro]

No it isn’t

[small parrot]

its really not

[viscid gyro]

Please read

[graceful mulch]

except youre less specific about what dragon you get if you dont want a color

so the odds are lower

[jade perch]

golly gee i've been on call with my partner for like an hour

[viscid stone]

Fire

[graceful mulch]

but odds mean nothing

[viscid gyro]

😭

[small parrot]

W

[graceful mulch]

because random is incalculatable for your own time

[small parrot]

but still you are not understanding the whole point of this

you dont get it

[graceful mulch]

describe what im getting wrong

[small parrot]

weve been trying to tell you and you wont get it

[viscid gyro]

Yeah idk how to help him atp

He just isn’t listening

[small parrot]

ive said it so many times man

im done here

you dont get it

im just gonna block and move on

its what i shouldve done from the beginning my bad for arguing

[viscid stone]

Me when I’m lowk mad at a suggestion but I lowk realize I can lowk leave

[viscid gyro]

I hope he’s underaged, else that’s quite embarrassing

[graceful mulch]

sea dragon can be 3 colors
you want 1 color
you didnt get the color you want
that fish couldve been any other fish but happened to be a sea dragon, you still didnt get the one you want

[graceful mulch]

what grade are you in

[small parrot]

just move on man

its over

[graceful mulch]

just because you got a sea dragon doesnt mean you shouldve gotten the sea dragon you want, you just havent gotten it yet

because its random

[viscid gyro]

This is against the rules, you cannot say this

[graceful mulch]

do you understand that at least

[graceful mulch]

you literally hoped i was underage

[viscid stone]

I can tell you’ve been wanting to use that pic

[small parrot]

hehe

[viscid gyro]

That’s different than asking for personal info

[graceful mulch]

your grade and age arent personal info, you have to be 13 to be on discord so its required information to disclose to access the platform and is therefore not personal

you dont have to answer but it isnt personal information

because the platform requires you provide one over a certain limit

[viscid gyro]

Your age is personal information, you are not allowed to share that in this server, that’s a well established thing

[graceful mulch]

you should be careful with who you share it with though

[viscid gyro]

Yes your right on the min age stuff tho

[graceful mulch]

but if you wanted to pull the hoping i was underage part i assumed you'd be willing to defend your own

[viscid stone]

Well if you want to share it you can

Otherwise don’t

[graceful mulch]

i'm not saying you have to its just not personal information

[viscid gyro]

No… no I can’t, that’s against the server rules

[viscid stone]

Watch me

I’m 14

[viscid gyro]

Although I don’t condone that decision, I’m also not shocked

[graceful mulch]

lets pretend the sea dragon you caught was a boot

do you still have the sea dragon you want

its a no in both scenarios

[viscid stone]

I know I’m a rebel🤪

[graceful mulch]

you arent obligated to have whatever sea dragon you want just because you caught one of them

[open prism]

the colors of the other fish are literally based on biome

[small parrot]

its a sugggestion keep that in mind

[graceful mulch]

no but okay

[small parrot]

they are

[viscid stone]

Wdym?

[small parrot]

i think all colors can be in every biome

[graceful mulch]

irrelevant you can be wrong and suggest something its just not worthwhile to engage with as a developer looking to add something

[small parrot]

rude

[open prism]

you get the different colors of fish depending on what biome you fish in

[viscid gyro]

You’re ignorant to the fact a boot and a sea dragon being caught are not equivalent… you haven’t understood this fundamental fact about the system this entire time

[small parrot]

but certain colors are more common in certain biomes

[graceful mulch]

if certain colors are more common in certain biomes i havent caught enough to tell

[viscid stone]

But you can get every color fish everywhere?

[open prism]

no

[viscid stone]

Photo lowk real

[graceful mulch]

you still dont have the sea dragon you want either way because its not the right color

[viscid stone]

Anyways ^

[open prism]

you get them based on whichever paints can be found on said biome's techweb

[viscid gyro]

Which is the problem, now we need a solution… maybe reading the suggestion will offer one?

[graceful mulch]

this is objectively wrong but thats fine because at least its easily disprovable rather than a mental blockage

[small parrot]

we dont 'need' a solution but one would be nice

[open prism]

disprove it then

[graceful mulch]

its not a problem its an issue with your odds

you havent fished a sea dragon yet

[small parrot]

you seriously need to just stop replying

go do anything else

[graceful mulch]

how are there black swordfish if the ocean tech web has no black

[small parrot]

there are much better things to do with your time

[open prism]

because the swordfish can only be found in the ocean biome

[graceful mulch]

youre right there are but im stupid

[graceful mulch]

then why have it be that color

[open prism]

because it looks cool ig

[graceful mulch]

irrelevant send them to the seagull room

[small parrot]

there arent a full page for biome specific fish because certain colors are biome specific (maybe)

[viscid gyro]

Again, getting a crown I will use should not be up to chance… it should be a consistent reward that doesn’t have only a 33.33% chance of coming true per sea dragon

To reiterate the sea dragon is not just another fish, it’s the rarest in the game

[small parrot]

i just thought of that

[graceful mulch]

the crown is always up to chance because you could have never caught a sea dragon yet

what im saying is that its completely possible that the sea dragon you did get

couldve been a boot

and nothing wouldve changed

[viscid gyro]

That isn’t my point, again go off the context of the suggestion

[graceful mulch]

between when you started fishing and when you get that purple sea dragon

because you havent caught the sea dragon yet you want

and now you want an easy way out

so youre complaining to the discord

[small parrot]

the time it takes to get a sea dragon is not the point here

[graceful mulch]

in a thinly veiled format of a suggestion

[small parrot]

again

its the color you get

[graceful mulch]

the time it takes is irrelevant too

because its odds

and the color you get

is odds

because the color of the sea dragon is just as likely as any other

but you could get 50 sea dragons back to back

[small parrot]

that

is

[graceful mulch]

does that mean youre guaranteed to get the sea dragon you want

[small parrot]

not

the

[graceful mulch]

NO!!!!

[small parrot]

point

[viscid gyro]

Again that point means nothing because of how rare that is

[graceful mulch]

it means nothing because its a random chance

it could happen

it wont because its rarer than there are quarks in the universe

but its Possible

you know whats more possible

[viscid gyro]

We shouldn’t be looking at a small edge chance, the point is for the ease of the majority of players

[graceful mulch]

you putting on the headset and fishing the sea dragon you want

[viscid gyro]

Your missing the plot

[graceful mulch]

so you quit complaining

[graceful mulch]

the ease of the majority to obtain the trophy cosmetic

[open prism]

man, some people will argue over any small thing for hours at a time, but in the end it achieves nothing and all parties involved have an all-around bad time. Sad really.

very unrelated ik

[graceful mulch]

i'm objectively right too is the crazy thing

[small parrot]

ive been trying to stop but its addicting ill be honest

[viscid gyro]

POV: politics

[graceful mulch]

well at least we can expect to change each others minds

[open prism]

show proof and the argument will be over

[graceful mulch]

for

probability

[small parrot]

ok enough about probability

[graceful mulch]

the proof is tiny fishing up the sea dragon

[small parrot]

thats not the point here

screw the time it takes

that doesnt matter

[open prism]

as soon as anyone involved in a debate is angry, the entire thing becomes useless

[viscid gyro]

Again the same non-listening

It’s like clockwork

[graceful mulch]

im not angry im just disappointed at this point

[graceful mulch]

okay then great, what does

[small parrot]

let me type 😐

[open prism]

ok, forget all the things you've talked about here, go back up to the suggestion, either x react or sparkle react, and move on

[graceful mulch]

No

[viscid gyro]

We’re told you this isn’t the point over and over… yet you refuse to listen

Please go to somewhere else… as you are only hurting yourself here

[small parrot]

yknow what im not typing it out

[graceful mulch]

this is like 1-3 words tops

[small parrot]

im done explaining myself

go read

[graceful mulch]

what you typed is genuinely useless

[open prism]

what are you trying to achieve

[graceful mulch]

can you answer my question

if time is irrelevant

[small parrot]

you dont get it

[graceful mulch]

then what is

[open prism]

tiny, please close this post

please

[small parrot]

yea

[graceful mulch]

answer me

[viscid gyro]

Nah, he’ll go away at some point

[graceful mulch]

i wont btw

[open prism]

clearly not

[small parrot]

im sick of explaining myself just for him to not get it

[viscid gyro]

Just DNI him

[open prism]

what?

[viscid gyro]

Do Not Interact

[graceful mulch]

you didnt answer the question

if time is irrelevant then what is

[small parrot]

i did

multiple times actually

[viscid gyro]

We’ve already have, go read

[graceful mulch]

no you didnt

say it again

[small parrot]

yes i did

[viscid gyro]

Come back when you find it

[small parrot]

no

go read

[open prism]

that is the one thing I am comepletely averse to doing on the internet, since it has no real implications for me in the real world

[graceful mulch]

what i read is useless trite can you directly answer the question

[small parrot]

if you dont get you dont get it

move on dude its not that hard

[viscid gyro]

Yeah there’s no hope

[graceful mulch]

i wont get it if you wont say it

[viscid gyro]

We have

[small parrot]

i did

[viscid gyro]

Read

[graceful mulch]

if time is irrelevant then what is

[open prism]

https://open.spotify.com/track/60a0Rd6pjrkxjPbaKzXjfq?si=ea85903439424444

[small parrot]

probably my mom

i like hotdogs

[graceful mulch]

thats great ryviee

[viscid gyro]

Read, I’ve answered so many times

[graceful mulch]

then do it again directly to that question

[viscid gyro]

I have

[graceful mulch]

so we're on the same page

[small parrot]

lazy

cant go read it?

just go read it dude

[open prism]

guys, what does this have to do with the price of eggs in china?

[small parrot]

alot actually

i promise

ill explain next week

[graceful mulch]

if you dont answer the question youre being actively dismissive of the discussion and actively detrimental

[viscid gyro]

No, you have a lack of understanding of our point

You refuse to listen when we answer your question so there is no point in repeating what’s already been said

If you wish to know, read our side next time

It’s not that hard

[graceful mulch]

where can i read where you directly answered that question

because you havent

[small parrot]

[graceful mulch]

if time is irrelevant then what is relevant

[viscid gyro]

🥀

[graceful mulch]

you have unlimited time to fish if its irrelevant

it doesnt matter how many fish you take to get the fish you want

[graceful mulch]

time is irrelevant

[graceful mulch]

thats actually my argument thanks for agreeing with me

probability doesnt matter because the amount of time you put in is purely random

[small parrot]

thats waht google said

winse you cant google

[graceful mulch]

but if time is irrelevant then thats not an issue

[small parrot]

DAMN

[graceful mulch]

and google is right

so am i

[small parrot]

im not even fixing those

[small parrot]

i dunno man

i dont care enough

[graceful mulch]

just fish more

because time is irrelevant

[viscid gyro]

Please do research before making false claims like this, the fishing system is not purely random… it’s completely deterministic

[graceful mulch]

your entire suggestion is pointless

because time is irrelevant

[small parrot]

rude

[graceful mulch]

by your own admission

time is irrelevant

[small parrot]

your argument is pointless

[graceful mulch]

BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION

time is irrelevant

fish more

[neat lintel]

leg fish

[graceful mulch]

thats why i asked you

[small parrot]

leg fish

[brisk grotto]

The point of this suggestion is making each sea dragon more consistant its not any less rare the chance stays the same just you can choose which color instead of having to get lucky and get the color you want

[viscid gyro]

It’s funny because I know exactly where I’ve explained this directly to you lol

[small parrot]

oh woops i replied lol

[graceful mulch]

luck is genuinely the core design principle of fishing

[small parrot]

leg fish

[graceful mulch]

and cutting that out because you didnt get the fish you wanted is insane and antithetical to what fishing is

[viscid gyro]

It still would?

[graceful mulch]

if youre not going to contribute anything meaningful then leave

[small parrot]

fish leg

[brisk grotto]

I literally just said its not any less rare the chance for a sea dragon is the same just each color is biome specific

[neat lintel]

leg fish

[graceful mulch]

youve already said that time is irrelevant and youre deflecting because it means that the entire suggestion is irrelevant by proxy

[small parrot]

LEF FISH !!!!!

[viscid gyro]

Yeah he just doesn’t understand

[small parrot]

lef?

[neat lintel]

spear fish\

[graceful mulch]

same for you too, if you dont put a pin in it you can be reported for spamming

[small parrot]

byeah

[neat lintel]

hey

com

[graceful mulch]

why would it need to be biome specific

[viscid gyro]

Read the suggestion

[graceful mulch]

you arent choosing your sea dragon its already random

[small parrot]

omg

[graceful mulch]

if you didnt get the sea dragon color you want

[small parrot]

you are literally never gonna get it are you

[graceful mulch]

you didnt get it

[neat lintel]

RANDOM

[graceful mulch]

TIME IS IRRELEVANT

[brisk grotto]

So you can choose the color you want by going to a certain biome instead of wanting a blue one and instead getting a purple

[small parrot]

YOU DONT GET IT

[graceful mulch]

you can fish infinitely

[neat lintel]

I DONT KNOW

[graceful mulch]

thats not how it works and this makes it more likely to get the sea dragon you want

which goes against the random nature of fishing

[brisk grotto]

Kinda the point

[graceful mulch]

@sleek spire randomly spamming messages flooding the channel

[neat lintel]

WHY NOT ADD FISH THAT CAN DO NEW THINGS\

[brisk grotto]

Also biome specific colors are already a thing

[graceful mulch]

i warned you

[graceful mulch]

they arent

[graceful mulch]

and youre just asking for easier probabilities

[neat lintel]

@graceful mulch WHAT DID I DOOOOOO

[graceful mulch]

and also needlessly complicating the fishing system

[small parrot]

your getting there!

[graceful mulch]

which is coping

[small parrot]

you almost understand it!

[graceful mulch]

time is irrelevant

so the odds you get a fish is irrelevant too

[small parrot]

I WAS TRYING TO FIND THIS

[neat lintel]

HA

[small parrot]

i knew i wasnt tweaking

[graceful mulch]

this isnt in the official announcements so its just as likely it was outright removed for the public build

[small parrot]

just assuming things

you are not a lab rat

[brisk grotto]

😐

[graceful mulch]

im not playing a lab rat beta now am i

this is the full release

[neat lintel]

[graceful mulch]

thats a description for the beta

one that isnt mirrored in the one intended for EVERYONE ELSE

[small parrot]

im done talking to you man

[neat lintel]

[graceful mulch]

good you were flooding the chat too for a good bit

[neat lintel]

ME

[small parrot]

i need like a super block button so i dont see this '1 blocked message' thing

shoutout doise im gone

[graceful mulch]

<@&1294374590444867675> spamming nonsense flooding the chat, asked to stop but wouldnt even after pinging another discord mod (they didnt respond)

[neat lintel]

HOW IAM I SPAMMING IF IM JUST TALKNG

[brisk grotto]

When they remove a feature for full release they let us know and they never said anything about no biome specific colors

[graceful mulch]

then why is it not mentioned in announcements or release notes

[small parrot]

cause its obvious dude

why wouldnt there be

[graceful mulch]

its not obvious

thats a rule that couldnt have been inferred otherwise

and therefore chances are it was removed

[brisk grotto]

Still biome spieces exist why cant they do that with the sea dragon varients

[small parrot]

exactly

but this dudes still not gonna understand that hes gonna go on about odds again

[graceful mulch]

also if this is referring to increasing chances instead of requiring different biomes (which i dont have any reason to believe is how fishing still works) then it still doesnt matter for this argument because you could get a new fish every time just out of probability

[graceful mulch]

if you cant understand this basic concept you are either ignorant or not fully developed

[brisk grotto]

We never said anything about increasing sea dragon chance its the same odds just a different color for each biome

[graceful mulch]

for the ACTUAL biome specific fish, the difference between those and the sea dragons is that the sea dragons CURRENTLY ARE NOT

[small parrot]

you are STILL going on about odds

the point is to not have any for each of the colors

[graceful mulch]

yes odds are important for the gambling minigame

[small parrot]

im so done dude

[graceful mulch]

reacting ❌ to that is genuinely braindead and thats putting it lightly

[small parrot]

cause your wrong dude

[graceful mulch]

i'm going to be charitable and say youre being contrarian

unless youre willing to tell me

[small parrot]

move on

[graceful mulch]

how odds arent important for gambling

[small parrot]

just move on dude

[graceful mulch]

you move on if youre going to whine and then not follow through on arguments

[brisk grotto]

We never said ANYTHING about odds its the exact same

[graceful mulch]

youre making dead ends which lead nowhere in this conversation

[small parrot]

just move on

[brisk grotto]

Just color specific biomes no change to odds at all

[graceful mulch]

no, if you can only get 1 sea dragon per biome then you cant get the other 2 which increases the odds you get the sea dragon

[small parrot]

jsut stop arguing

[graceful mulch]

compared to right now

which is why this suggestion is just asking for better odds for the sea dragon

[small parrot]

just

move

[languid kestrel]

I personally think they should have added a sea dragon for every biomes glowing color it's know for

[brisk grotto]

Wouldnt it theoreticly be rarer by that logic because theres only 1 instead of 3?

[small parrot]

on

[graceful mulch]

which is infantile and directly contradictory of the game design of the fishing minigame as a whole

[graceful mulch]

LMAOOOOO

actually youre wrong either way

[small parrot]

@viscid gyro can you close this suggestion

[graceful mulch]

because it'd be the same

because tiny got a sea dragon but got upset because it wasnt the color they wanted

[small parrot]

its only causing arguments

[brisk grotto]

So now your just agreeing with what i said earlier now

[graceful mulch]

so the 3 is for getting a sea dragon overall

but tiny wants one sea dragon

[small parrot]

if you can at least

[graceful mulch]

no, tiny's idea removes all but one sea dragon from the fishing lootpool

[small parrot]

i dunno how this stuff works

i think you can?

[graceful mulch]

the way it works right now is that its possible to get 3

youre always going to be guaranteed a result of some kind

so what it does is make it more likely that the sea dragon you DO get is the color you want

which means that nothing really changes but the game is made more complicated for no reason

and the random nature of catching fish is sullied

[brisk grotto]

No it doesent it gives each biome its own color not just one sea dragon overall

[graceful mulch]

because they felt bad that the completely random sea dragon

was the wrong color

even though that if it were a boot

they wouldnt be as upset

because they didnt have a sea dragon to begin with

im engaging with this suggestion as what it is

this isnt a personal attack

[small parrot]

look man
all this does is make it so you dont have to fish up duplicate sea dragons
the dragons are time consuming to catch so it really sucks to get duplicates

[graceful mulch]

but youre just asking for better odds for a fish

[graceful mulch]

fishing up duplicates is part of the game

and as you said

time is irrelevant

[small parrot]

once again

you dont get the point

[graceful mulch]

so it being time consuming doesnt matter

YOU SAID

TIME IS IRRELEVANT

[small parrot]

and you misunderstood it

[graceful mulch]

AND THEN REFUSED TO ANSWER

[small parrot]

like youve been doing

for everything weve said

[graceful mulch]

also you dont "have" to fish up anything because thats not how it works

you fish

and then the game randomly gives you a fish

choosing not to get a duplicate wouldnt even matter because getting the sea dragon is random anyways

[small parrot]

im done explaining it

[graceful mulch]

but complicates the game

[graceful mulch]

for real this time?

or are you going to be talking again in 2 minutes

or is this like a psychological ploy to make me also back off with you at the same time

if not then okay

[graceful mulch]

each biome would only have one sea dragon to fish at any given point

if you fish a sea dragon it'd always be the one for the biome youre in

[small parrot]

sourpizzaboy you should also stop replying

[graceful mulch]

this is despite the fact that even if there were 2 other sea dragons in the biome youre in

[brisk grotto]

I was just bouta say i was done

[graceful mulch]

you could easily get that same sea dragon at the same time

because its completely random

its just that the loot pool is skewed

[small parrot]

sweet

[graceful mulch]

i've used a lot of straw man fallacies but that wasnt even one of them

i was just restating what your idea offers

[graceful mulch]

you want each biome to have their own sea dragon

and the only sea dragon you can fish

is that one

[viscid gyro]

That was never the idea

[graceful mulch]

then what is the idea

because clearly i've misunderstood

[small parrot]

you too tiny
the more we reply the longer thisll go itll never have a conslusion

[graceful mulch]

its what i said isnt it tiny

i described your idea

but no you have to be contrarian

a single admission of fault is like poison to you

[viscid gyro]

No, I’m not answering with a childish comment like that… if you wish to speak before I finish, you aren’t willing to listen to my idea like you have consistently throughout this entire situation

[mossy monolith]

🥙

[graceful mulch]

did i or did i not describe your original suggestion

yes or no question

no more no less

thats one long yes

[viscid gyro]

It’s the first word 😭

Again proving my point of you not reading anything

[graceful mulch]

describe how what i described differs from your idea

[graceful mulch]

this is what you suggested

[viscid gyro]

I’ve said it a multitude of times along with other people who agree in this thread

[graceful mulch]

do they agree that what i said isnt your original suggestion

[mossy monolith]

each biome has a sea dragon color assigned to it

[graceful mulch]

yes

thats what i said

[viscid gyro]

No it is not

[graceful mulch]

pray tell then

oh do i have to say it verbatim

[viscid gyro]

You’re interpretation stated a sea dragon for ever biome, and the removal of the fishing loot pool besides the sea dragon, this is not my suggestion

[graceful mulch]

because you cant put two and two together

youre asking

[river quartz]

@graceful mulch please stop starting arguments and calling people dumb.

[graceful mulch]

for one

[graceful mulch]

i havent called anyone dumb, nor have i incited personal attacks towards anyone

[neat lintel]

WHAT'S HAPPENING

[graceful mulch]

all of my discussions have purely been in regards to the topic at hand

[river quartz]

"Under developed" "cant put two and two together"

[graceful mulch]

and any slights are in regards to how they are engaging with the subject

[neat lintel]

HA

[graceful mulch]

and not their own personal mental faculty

i would hope they would be able to understand that as would you

[graceful mulch]

and i havent started any arguments as much as i have stated my thoughts and defended them

[neat lintel]

ARE YOU SURE

[graceful mulch]

which have been consistently either avoided or mishandled from what i can assess not out of malice but misunderstanding

[neat lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[graceful mulch]

and while youre at it this person keeps spamming nonsense and hasnt added a drop to the conversation despite being asked to stop @river quartz

[small parrot]

dont get timed out on me doise you gotta stop

[neat lintel]

no im not how

[graceful mulch]

so if you may, please take care of them

[neat lintel]

ok ok how am i spamming if im talking

[small parrot]

its not really related to anything

[graceful mulch]

can you contribute to the conversation

[neat lintel]

really

[graceful mulch]

if you want to post random nonsense go to #💬・general not a suggestion thread

this is for discussion relating to the original idea

@mossy monolith same goes for you

move along

[neat lintel]

this was going too be for the sea dragon

[mossy monolith]

nuh uh

[graceful mulch]

well youve been asked to stop, @river quartz if you may

[mossy monolith]

i feel like ive seen this before

[neat lintel]

i know right

[mossy monolith]

like the exact sentence

[neat lintel]

yeah

[queen crater]

🍿

[neat lintel]

yo whats good trass

[mossy monolith]

why do you have lr 🥀

[viscid gyro]

@graceful mulch please leave this thread, you are here with the intent to start arguments.

You have consistently failed to consider the other side’s position while asking for answers that have already been stated for you. That is a clear sign of wanting to start an argument for fun.

Keep in mind if you do not comply with Dmods request they will most likely take action against you

For the better of your reputation on this server and the risk of being timed out it’s best to leave.

[graceful mulch]

are you going to do anything taro or did you just come in to randomly chime in

[neat lintel]

dude i don't know why im here

[mossy monolith]

been going on for 3h

[graceful mulch]

i havent started any arguments, i've defended my points thoroughly and tried to provide as much logical description as to why the subject matter is not only irrelevant, self interested, but actively detrimental to the game's design

failing to understand any of what i've provided for the prolonged period of time is deeply disappointing but i hold nothing against you

[neat lintel]

@graceful mulch look at the chat and then say that again

[graceful mulch]

i'd just appreciate if you could recognize you're out of your depth when it comes to subjects like probability

instead of plastering me with ❌'s

heaven forbid i dabble in satire

[mossy monolith]

tiny dont interact

[graceful mulch]

that was an attempt to see the absurdity in such a response but the outcome made me realize that the misunderstanding is at the core of what fishing truly is

which i dont even know if it's been truly processed as of yet

[mossy monolith]

your not Shakespeare bud

[graceful mulch]

we share a lot in common

[mossy monolith]

old

[viscid gyro]

You have constantly defended false information while ignoring the other side of the argument as is clear by your pleads for the restatement of information that has been given to you multiple times.

Keep in mind taro has already requested you stop, it’s time to comply

[viscid stone]

Overreacting much?

[graceful mulch]

they were a nuisance

[viscid stone]

Sorry Thats old

Mb

[graceful mulch]

false information?

[graceful mulch]

i'd appreciate if taro's input towards this channel bore more weight, the doise hasnt chimed in yet so i'd hope that was taken care of

however installed is still here despite outright saying no to a request to stop posting off topic nonsense here

[civic geode]

[mossy monolith]

dont ask how i got this

[civic geode]

if this post gets closed because of one person i might have the crashout of 2026

[graceful mulch]

i dont hold anything against you tiny, or anyone here involved, you're just uneducated and misunderstood and i hope everyone here can at some point understand rivveting subjects like "odds are important for gambling"

[viscid stone]

Overreacting much?

[civic geode]

[viscid gyro]

“Uneducated” is a insult btw

[civic geode]

this suggestion is peak

[viscid stone]

It’s a dumb post anyway

[civic geode]

no?

[graceful mulch]

sorry i didnt know you were in the group to make that call

[civic geode]

its kinda lame how you cant choose which sea dragon you get

not to mention its a 1/2000 chance nathan said

[graceful mulch]

its the point of the fishing minigame

its random

[viscid stone]

Thats the whole point of rng

[civic geode]

wow okay

[graceful mulch]

this suggestion is just begging for them to give them better fishing odds

[civic geode]

yeah sorry i got 1000 red sea dragons and zero other sea dragons, guess thats my fault

[graceful mulch]

because theyre upset they didnt get the sea dragon they wanted

[viscid stone]

Oh no my steak is too juicy

[civic geode]

what

[small parrot]

see what weve been dealing with 😭

[civic geode]

now we talking about steak

[small parrot]

its actually hopeless

[viscid stone]

Ever heard of a comparison

[civic geode]

steak

[mossy monolith]

caught in 4k

[civic geode]

yum

now im hungry

[viscid stone]

Big back

[brisk grotto]

I like t bones with a baked potato on the side with some fries

[graceful mulch]

i mean i was throwing out getting 50 sea dragons back to back as a hypothetical i'm just proud we got to see an example in our lifetime

[civic geode]

insert yeeps eating sound

[graceful mulch]

btw if you guys are allowed to post random nonsense can i promote my own suggestion

[viscid gyro]

<@&1294374590444867675> @graceful mulch was asked to stop using insults against people and to not start arguments… which he has refused to comply with

Please take appropriate action against this user

[sleek spire]

Please make a ticket

[viscid gyro]

Got it

[graceful mulch]

where was this when i asked

[civic geode]

are you a toaster with two levers or a concrete block with two red ears

genuine question btw

[viscid stone]

Where insults (not saying ur wrong just curious)

[graceful mulch]

im borapaws

[civic geode]

Ah oaky

okay*

[mossy monolith]

yea

[brisk grotto]

He called us under developed and uneducated

[graceful mulch]

anything that could be remotely interpreted as an insult was directed at their reasoning and logic and not their own person

[viscid stone]

The second one isn’t an insult

[graceful mulch]

your arguments were

and understanding of the subject

they werent fully developed

hence

under developed

[brisk grotto]

Yea im not doin this again

[small parrot]

epic embed fail

[civic geode]

yo should i add fishing to my game

[civic geode]

1/10000000000000000000000000000000 chance for biggie fish

[viscid stone]

Copying the big Y is crazy

[mossy monolith]

add an otter too

[brisk grotto]

I just put it there so i could download it

[mossy monolith]

and sea snake

[small parrot]

mb

[civic geode]

i love the tails

[brisk grotto]

Your good

[civic geode]

im glad i added them like last second before i launched the apk

[mossy monolith]

"i guess im going" that part was funny lol

[viscid gyro]

Ticket made

[graceful mulch]

restating

[open prism]

just realized this guy literally argued for more than four hours and 30 minutes over fish in a video game

[shadow path]

Maybe instead of it being biome reliant it would be time of day reliant game so at night time you would get blue in the morning you would get red and in the afternoon you would get green

[untold heron]

Blue is snow red is desert purple is fantasy

[civic geode]

no

just no

[digital prairie]

Can people seriously not just trade colors?
That’s what I plan on doing if I get the red or blue one

Like for when people do get a dragon, its not unlikely someone wants to swap colors

[jade perch]

idk i wouldn't trust this community with a trade like that

[digital prairie]

That’s fair

Biome specific colors could be good

[shadow path]

I forgot it was purple not green

I low-key forgot all of the colors

[minor basalt]

I thought they were

[viscid gyro]

Fish color is more common per biome, but this is a more extreme version of that

[minor basalt]

I mean the sea dragon

[viscid gyro]

I saw both a red and blue sea dragon pop out of retro facility

[minor basalt]

I did get a purple and a blue one from desert tho that was weird

[warm perch]

Small change I made to the biome colors to blend better with biome color schemes:
red in facility and desert, blue in snow and suburb, purple in fantasy and ocean

[viscid gyro]

Forgot red is on the facility tech web

[warm perch]

Red is the glowing color of facility and ocean’s glowing pink is close to the fantasy purple

[viscid gyro]

Although blue being ocean was a big one for me

From the looks that color scheme is not very liked atm. Even with it being more accurate

[tired vortex]

sandbox biome has ALL sea dragons

because iirc, sandbox fish are different from suburbs

[viscid gyro]

Yes

That will also allow people who want the random-ness to still get it

[cosmic scaffold]

1st time I caught one was after 964 fish… it was red

Purple is my fav color :(

[small steppe]

only one of his mesages i agree with

[small steppe]

and i mean it kinda does with biome fish