Adventure Vault (Permanent Loot Storage) [✨67+]

[modern canopy]

Firstly, to describe it, this will let you store ALL MATERIALS and take them out (whether that be for weekly loot quests or if something like crafting is ever added)
There would only be one location for this and it'd be at Gnome Capital, so after you finish an adventure and want to store your loot then you have to go all the way out (loot sellers will still be in every biome if you just want to collect and sell and then leave.)

Secondly, why? The fish bucket has really changed how loot gathering feels, obviously because it's an entirely new system, but Also because all fish you collect can be stored in a permanent inventory to be sold or traded. This was most prevalent with today's fish quest where if you fished for a good while the day prior you could get it done instantly and go back to collecting.
What the Adventure Vault would let you do is give you a reason at ANY TIME to do dungeons (i know you can sell them for beans, but the comparative value and time sink comparison is terrible and while it should exist as an option this would mean instead of selling them for beans you can save them for the next weekly loot quest or for things like crafting or rewards like the fish crown if that's ever added)
This would breathe TONS of life into ALL dungeons as you'd always find someone chipping away and collecting resources. This would also give a lot more value towards the legendary sack since ANYTHING you pick up could be stored for later, so you'd be encouraged to pick anything you come across.

I should also note that despite fish being an infinitely farmable resource, loot isn't and should stay that way. I'm just asking for a similar infinite storage option for loot.

[slow valley]

yes

[modern canopy]

If you'd like a visual, just think of something like Animal Company's stash except it has infinite slots for each resource with a counter for how many you have stored.

[modern canopy]

side tangent, but funnily enough Animal Company has the storage solved but it's the loot that doesn't hold much value which is the opposite of Yeeps, it's just that most of the value from loot comes from when it's in the weekly cycle

[modern canopy]

if this ends up being too broken you could also have a bean cost to insert items into the stash, like 100 per item so you also have to engage with combat or sell Some items but it'd be fine without it immediately, just saying that if you want to nerf it that'd be the first place to do it

i just want adventure to feel like you're progressing and accumulating resources rather than being forced to only explore 3-4 areas for loot since theres no reason to pick up loot you wouldnt sell for buttcoins

beans as a currency is not worth trading in loot since it takes so long to respawn (not a problem by itself, just impacts other mechanics) compared to fighting mobs like wolves, so picking up loot for the sake of it is pointless which i think is a shame

also the "easy" loot quests are honestly the hardest because usually only 15-30 of the basic loot like twigs exist at once so you have to play and sweep the entire game in 4 sessions and then start at 0, so building a backlog in your vault to help when it comes up next would be REALLY helpful

the issue of adventure isnt as much about content as it is incentive and weekly loot rewards are the payout for playing but not the incentive

what this does us give ALL loot items the incentive to pick them up just incase next week theyre the chosen one

and it'd take a while to pick up and store EVERYTHING on the map in one session so it's not like youd clean it out

and if you can quite honestly you deserve it

you could also have loot leaderboards like hypixel skyblock where you could be the #1 gold ingot storer, maybe with a zipper to indicate that to others

all of this through the basic addition of storing loot permanently

btw, sacks will work the exact same way, you just need to pick them up and bring them to the location which again harder to do than selling but permanent

the legendary sack will also actually be a good frequent bean purchase for pros instead of being forgotten

Adventure Vault (Permanent Loot Storage)

[dreamy folio]

FIRE IDEA BRO, Have this art as a reward!

(Yes, it's simple but cool.)

[modern canopy]

talked a bit more about this here in response to another suggestion, feel free to read
#1465748992729026592 message

[modern canopy]

similar ideas, check them out too!

https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1467007358231117956
https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1397354050714075229

[modern canopy]

i'd just love to see this idea be implemented because i genuinely believe it'd improve a ton of problems with adventure tenfold in one fell swoop

[gaunt rapids]

I think everything but crystals should be allowed

[modern canopy]

if anything crystals should be the MOST allowed because it means you can keep doing dungeons

theres no reason to do them after the weekly buttcoin quest for them is over because you cant do anything other than turn them into beans which is worthless

and also you always get 1 crystal left over from the dungeon quests so being able to store that would be really nice

also if you can only play once or for a short period of time for a week you can still cash in your buttcoins, a stockpile rewards you for investing time

[modern canopy]

i also really like this idea to add on top of the vault, so that even if you have more than enough of a resource for players who want to compete theyre incentivized to keep doing dungeons or exploring

like imagine a youtube video like "how i became the #1 Red Crystal collector"

or even just #1 twig collector

it'd be fun and even encourage unique strategies

you could even find and help people going through their loot gathering sessions

there isnt really a whole lot of tangible competition in yeeps outside of like community worlds so having that would be a great incentive for playing adventure

but even without it, just having a way to store loot instead of throwing them away would make loot collection something you do regardless of whats available at the time for buttcoins

or hey, if you dont want to put in that effort then you can just pop in every week and do them as you would right now

but for people who play more times a week for longer theyre rewarded for that effort tangibly

beans are worthless in terms of trading loot in over farming mobs (which isnt an issue by itself, it just makes the one thing you do with loot if you cant get buttcoins from it be selling it for beans or losing it on rejoining) and you wouldnt want loot to give you infinite buttcoins

so this lets you gain resources that can then be cashed in when the time comes

and again this already exists with the fish bucket

and being able to sell all the fish i've already collected at once felt Good

and then i can go back to fishing some more to prepare for next week

and progress my fish catalogue generally

i genuinely believe this is the best thing adventure could get and i'm sorry but i'll be shouting it from the rooftops because adventure has so much potential already and this lets you actually use that longterm

[trail heath]

Agreed

I think besides this

And inventory system would be cool

Rather than just having your gadgets

It would give a genuine incentive to trade

[modern canopy]

i dont think an inventory system is necessary as i do like how carrying loot is limited to sacks

[trail heath]

Yeah

I meant for like gadgets

[modern canopy]

i think that luxury of being able to easily hold onto tools is part of the appeal of buying them with buttcoins

but people without any can still buy temporary tools

[trail heath]

Just for adventure

[modern canopy]

beans are good as a consumable resource

[trail heath]

There aren’t a lot of gnome traders and the ones there are don’t benefit new players

You don’t spawn in adventure anymore so the average new player is going to have a bat before they encounter it

[modern canopy]

an inventory system would make the legendary items far too unbalanced

and thats more of a different suggestion argument to make

this is more about storing Loot longterm

with a dash of maybe the loot you store could be a competition between other players

[trail heath]

Besides legendary

Because they can clip onto you

[trail heath]

I know

I was just saying another idea

[modern canopy]

yeah its fine i just want to stay on the topic of the issue that this suggestion addresses

[trail heath]

Yeah

Ok

[modern canopy]

because having a proper longterm incentive towards collecting loot is something the game would gain a lot from

and who knows might rekindle what a lot of people liked about adventure and encourage them to play it

[gaunt rapids]

Yeah but then you can just have hundreds and never have to do dungeons again and what fun js that?

[modern canopy]

if you play dungeons enough to the point you have hundreds you deserve to coast for buttcoins

and also if stored resources are ranked you can compete on the leaderboard endlessly

[gaunt rapids]

I play dungeons for fun and I don’t think you should be able to just rack up buttcoins like that

[modern canopy]

buttcoins are limited weekly

[gaunt rapids]

I know

You can still have an endless amount to redeem every week

There’s no fun in that

[modern canopy]

right now you play dungeons twice every week and only the one thats actually available to sell for buttcoins

if you play dungeons enough past that you should be rewarded

[gaunt rapids]

Just say you’re lazy big dawg

[modern canopy]

YOURE LITERALLY ABLE TO DO MORE

[gaunt rapids]

You just want to have a lot of crystals so you never have to do dungeons again

[modern canopy]

how would you get the crystals

by doing the dungeons

currently if you do a dungeon all you get are gems to sell for beans unless its the one crystal currently sellable for buttcoins

this means that you can keep playing dungeons even when its not in rotation

which means that there will always be a reason for people to be playing those dungeons

so they arent completely empty

because you can then store the crystals instead of selling them for beans

which nobody wants to go out of their way to do

you can have fun Doing dungeons but theres no reward outside of when you can sell the loot for buttcoins

dungeons that arent currently the weekly quota are a ghost town

[gaunt rapids]

Do you realize how stupid you sound?

[modern canopy]

do you want people to play dungeons at all times

do you want there to be a reason to visit every map at all times in adventure

[gaunt rapids]

You don’t need a reason

I’m in there everyday and I have fun not because of a stupid reward

[modern canopy]

and how many people join you in doing that

[gaunt rapids]

I wouldn’t know I’m in private codes

So none I guess

[modern canopy]

okay then dont talk to me about the ecosystem of players engaging with the mode

because when its not currently in the weekly buttcoin resource rotation nobody goes to other dungeons

and i think thats a shame

[gaunt rapids]

All this because I said crystals shouldn’t be in the vaults

The idea is good

[modern canopy]

theres no reason why crystals shouldnt be storable in the vaults

[gaunt rapids]

The reason why it should is because in the first week everyone would just farm crystals and keep it in their vaults then they wouldn’t have to do dungeons anymore for a couple weeks

[modern canopy]

everyone would always be farming

and if they dont want to farm for a bit then thats fine too

the alternative is that they only play twice per week

and then dont

instead of multiple times at any time

[gaunt rapids]

I don’t care how many times people play it if they only play for a short time then stop for a long time because they’re set THATS NOT FUN

[frigid onyx]

You can just stack up and finish weekly loot quests in a second.

[gaunt rapids]

That’s what I’m sayin

[modern canopy]

then you played a lot for a period of time

you had the incentive to

also theres like 50 different loot items

thats also why i suggested the idea of including a leaderboard for resource collection

[frigid onyx]

Its too over powered and not nessesary

[modern canopy]

so people could compete in engagement with adventure

[modern canopy]

its not overpowered its a mechanic that allows for longterm progression and active play

which adventure is sorely lacking

[gaunt rapids]

It is overpowered

[modern canopy]

because once you leave, all your loot is gone

[frigid onyx]

🙏

[modern canopy]

and the only place to use them is with selling them for beans

which nobody does, at least not willingly

[gaunt rapids]

That’s the whole point

So you don’t exploit it

Which is exactly what this is suggesting

[modern canopy]

its not an exploit if the resources you collect are in the same timeframe as what you would have otherwise

its just that theres no reason to play those dungeons if theres no buttcoin reward for it in insurmountable peoples eyes

which is why adventure has fallen off as of late

[gaunt rapids]

Holy shi how ignorant can you be?

[modern canopy]

fishing lets you keep fish permanently

you can sell those in an instant, but if you keep doing that youll eventually run out of fish

[gaunt rapids]

Because you can’t sell fish for 100 each

[modern canopy]

YOURE LIMITED BY 5 PER WEEK

[modern canopy]

multiple people will be doing this cycle at the same time, so youll be able to play with people who have likeminded interests regardless of what the weekly buttcoin quests are

no??????

[gaunt rapids]

YES

YOU GET 5 A WEEK

that’s the whole point

[modern canopy]

you WANT to get 5 a week

[frigid onyx]

Yes

[gaunt rapids]

ITS BALANCED

[modern canopy]

you only get to be PAID for 5 a week

and im fine with that

but you should be allowed to store any excess gems in that limit

so that if you want you're encouraged to keep playing dungeons

because you arent wasting your time for beans

which are easily farmable

[gaunt rapids]

Currently you can get 5 and sell 5, what you want is have infinite and not do any work and keep selling 5

[frigid onyx]

Complete oposite

[modern canopy]

you can get infinite

you can only sell 5

[gaunt rapids]

You can’t KEEP infinite

[modern canopy]

loot respawns every 4 hours

you can get infinite right now

its just not worth it

because all you get from it is beans

[gaunt rapids]

But you can’t keep it

[frigid onyx]

Thats the point

[modern canopy]

yeah and thats why nobody plays dungeons

[gaunt rapids]

You WANT to keep infinite

[modern canopy]

that arent in the weekly cycle

[gaunt rapids]

Which isn’t fun

[modern canopy]

yes it is

[gaunt rapids]

Oh yeah

[modern canopy]

because if you want to store those infinite loot

[gaunt rapids]

Right

[modern canopy]

you need to play the dungeon first

and theres nothing that forces you to stop playing a dungeon

[gaunt rapids]

Cus having infinite crystals means you don’t do work after that which is totally fun

[modern canopy]

if the loot you can store is infinite

[modern canopy]

you can do more work at any time and still be rewarded with stored loot???

[gaunt rapids]

I’m saying here no fun AFTER THAT

[modern canopy]

theres always fun because the storage is infinite

[gaunt rapids]

get that through your thick skull

[frigid onyx]

Maybe you'll suggest keeping 100% of community world income next?

[modern canopy]

thats like saying just because you can get a ton of buttcoins you wont need to get any more

theres always an incentive to get more loot

[gaunt rapids]

Or give everyone 100 buttcoins everytime they walk

[modern canopy]

because you can store it

[gaunt rapids]

Per step

[modern canopy]

YOUD BE PLAYING THE SAME AMOUNT OF THE GAME

JUST THAT YOU CAN DO IT IN ADVANCE

[gaunt rapids]

I think they should give everyone a million buttcoins aswell don’t ya?

[modern canopy]

YOU LITERALLY NEED TO WORK FOR THE LOOT

THIS JUST LETS YOU STORE THE LOOT YOU WORK FOR

NOBODY WANTS TO WORK FOR LOOT

THEY ARENT REWARDED FROM

AND ONCE THE BUTTCOIN QUESTS DRY OUT

NOBODY WANTS TO BE REWARDED WITH BEANS

GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL

[gaunt rapids]

Also give everyone moderator

[modern canopy]

THIS IS A NET POSITIVE FOR ENGAGEMENT

[gaunt rapids]

And trass

[modern canopy]

THIS IS A NET POSITIVE FOR REPLAY VALUE

AND THIS IS A NET POSITIVE FOR ADVENTURE

[frigid onyx]

The opposite btw

[gaunt rapids]

<@&1294374590444867675> he’s being mean to me :(

[modern canopy]

You

literally

engage with the game

the same amount of time

if not more

and there will always be players fluctuating

because theyll each have their own individual storages to fill up

right now theres no reason to collect loot you dont need

its a waste of time and a waste of sack space

[frigid onyx]

People would stack up like bears for winter bruh.

[modern canopy]

i didnt even call you an insult btw thats just an idiom

but you did to me

[gaunt rapids]

I feel insulted, that’s what matters

[modern canopy]

i feel insulted towards your obstinance towards understanding how this would benefit the game

[modern canopy]

then theyre fully allowed to

if they cant play for a long period of time for a week they can cash in their savings from grinding a previous week

theyre rewarded for putting in the effort previously

[frigid onyx]

You are talking about it like its already added

[modern canopy]

realistically if they werent going to play the game that week they werent going to anyways

[gaunt rapids]

I notice that you’re always a nascence in suggestions, why is that?

[modern canopy]

because i eloquently provide my perspective and have to defend it with people who dont understand the core reasoning behind what i'm putting forward

either out of ignorance, obstinance, or just because theyre contrarian

[frigid onyx]

Your suggestions are still trash

Thats the reason people disagree

[gaunt rapids]

What if we stop engaging so he wouldn’t have someone to cry to?

[frigid onyx]

I like debates

[modern canopy]

youre incapable of understanding that the issue with adventure mode is the fact that there isnt any reason to pick up loot that isnt available to be sold for buttcoins so people dont play

i want lobbies to be stacked with people going through the map picking up all loot areas

[gaunt rapids]

We don’t need a reason

[modern canopy]

you play alone in a private lobby

[gaunt rapids]

If someone doesn’t want to play adventure dont bait them to?

[modern canopy]

you dont know how people engage with the game

[gaunt rapids]

Cus people are annoying

[modern canopy]

its an incentive to keep playing

not "bait"

[frigid onyx]

Beans for fast travel, bait, and some gadgets that new players might not have.

[gaunt rapids]

What is your vocabulary

[modern canopy]

eloquent

[modern canopy]

i'm not saying beans lack uses (even though it'd be nice if they could have more), its just that nobody wants to go out of their way to collect loot for beans

[frigid onyx]

Me suggestion me like

[modern canopy]

especially when you can farm them infinitely through combat with mobs

[modern canopy]

and fun fact: it is

for fish

fish stored in your bucket save permanently

[gaunt rapids]

Sorry, had to find the photo

[frigid onyx]

Because it dosent take 10m to get all fish blud

[modern canopy]

it takes 4 hours for loot to respawn

[gaunt rapids]

5 minutes to collect it

[modern canopy]

youre limited pretty heavily by how much loot you can collect at a time

[frigid onyx]

And there is 12 hours in a day

[modern canopy]

but without any way to store excess loot theres no reason to be spending your time in dungeons that arent in that weekly loot quest

[frigid onyx]

And 7 days in one week

[modern canopy]

let alone the dungeons that are once you get 5 of them

[modern canopy]

24 but sure

[frigid onyx]

Day

12

[modern canopy]

a day is 24 hours

[frigid onyx]

Night + day = 24

[modern canopy]

and people dont play multiple times a day over the span of several hours

so to most people if they play once a day they only get 3 in one session

[gaunt rapids]

Their problem not yours

[modern canopy]

??? what

im saying that their time playing is a finite resource so if they want to engage with the game theyre going to spend their time doing whats actually worthwhile

not waste their time gathering loot to sell for beans because the more optimal strategy is to farm mobs

[frigid onyx]

So look, 7 days, to get 5 items, so 3×7=21 so you can stack up 21 objects, from 1 dungeon in a week and stop playing for 3 weeks.

[modern canopy]

the loot you need is random

and theres quite a lot of loot

[frigid onyx]

Takes 10m for one type of loot

[modern canopy]

so you wouldnt be able to reasonably predict your stockpile

that means nothing

[frigid onyx]

VR holds up 100m so you can get 10 types of loot in a day, there is not even that many types of them

(The loot for 100)

[modern canopy]

record yourself collecting each type of loot and bringing it back to gnome capital

and post the video here

[frigid onyx]

Bet

[modern canopy]

show me how long it takes

oh and also do it in a public server so you can see anyone doing the same thing youre doing

[gaunt rapids]

Lava depths is 6-11 minutes if you’re good

[modern canopy]

youre allowed to use the legendary item sack that can store 25

[gaunt rapids]

Frost vault is 2-5 minutes

[modern canopy]

the point is that it takes effort to do it

[modern canopy]

and for the record

i mean ALL loot.

even the cobblestone

[gaunt rapids]

Ancient frog kingdom or whatever is 10-17 minutes

Facility X is 9-15 minutes

[gaunt rapids]

1 minute

[modern canopy]

yeah but thats of active gameplay

[gaunt rapids]

Doesn’t have to be

[modern canopy]

how you need to make it to the end

even if you mooch off of other people you gotta make it there

[gaunt rapids]

Join a public server In lava depths and you don’t have to do anything

It’s already beaten

[modern canopy]

this only happens if the red crystal is actually the one worth buttcoins

point irrelevant

[gaunt rapids]

Aka the only time it matters

So point relevant

[modern canopy]

well if you can store any bit of loot you could do lava dungeon at any point

because youd be stockpiling for when you need to

which also if at all times theres people that have already completed the dungeon even if its not the one currently available

that means that it's encouraged people to play those dungeons even after it's available

which means that more people are engaging with the whole scope of adventure

[modern canopy]

shortcut to before this whole argument which wasnt productive in the slightest towards the point

[tulip storm]

w mods

if they actually did their job this would of been shorter 😭

good thing they didn’t tho, peak argument

[proper wren]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[wicked blaze]

THE ROARING KNIGHT!!!!!!

[spring ocean]

this is peak

[river sapphire]

this is nice

I can't see any issues

dungeons and adventure mode in general need more content

[modern canopy]

the thing is, this isnt exactly more content

it's recontextualizing preexisting content by giving them a reason to engage longterm

[river sapphire]

oh yeah but like giving a reason to come back

[river sapphire]

yeah

[modern canopy]

yeah

[river sapphire]

desert dungeon would go well with this

[modern canopy]

that is true, it would fit as a side thing in a major update dedicated to adventure additions

it wouldnt even be that hard to implement either

maybe the whole "loot leaderboard" thing would be tricky to set up, with a bunch of zipper rewards for the top spots, but even then thats a side idea to put on top of the mechanic of storing materials

with that loot isnt just transferred into buttcoins or beans but becomes a new currency itself

and you could have new shopkeepers or things that cost loot

[hollow ocean]

this is neat

[warped widget]

Smart

[viral ledge]

The problem is, if you build maps, you probably want a storage system if you loot in them. That is why there is so many of those water block storage, to make sure people can store items

[modern canopy]

i mean you dont build maps in adventure mode

or use loot in community worlds

you can only really get them with the copy button and even then you cant take loot out from community worlds

[modern canopy]

this is purely for adventure mode, not community worlds

maybe a similar permanent way to store progress could be added for community worlds player by player but it wouldnt be this

like with the weekly loot quota vendors

[modern canopy]

it'd just be like on the wiring tech web

[modern canopy]

how long did it take you to do it in full

some parts are sped up

or i guess what time did you start because you showed 10:26 at the end

also just going to say you didnt do traditional loot collection which this would also encourage if not more because meeting the 100 small loot quota is honestly the hardest out of the 3 to do consistently mainly because only a quarter of the loot you need to reach 100 actually exist at any given time

this was improved a little with back to suburbs where some of the minigame maps became loot sources

was shocked to see that many people doing dungeons that werent a part of the weekly rotation (well outside of the first part of lost frog kingdom)

btw for reference they did it and sent me the video

also just saying didnt do old mines but Sure

[modern canopy]

i think another factor is that if you held down the hamburger button you'd be making a new server on rejoin because the only people there would be the one server

[viral ledge]

No I meant when they said gadget storage

[frigid onyx]

The video is in "share your content"

[modern canopy]

yeah i saw it

[modern canopy]

also you didnt do this but doing all the dungeons (aside from old mines) in one session is marginally impressive and probably what most will do first before realizing that stockpiling basic loot like cobblestone and twigs will be really important and far more relevant for weekly buttcoin rewards

especially when you can do the dungeon gems in 2 sessions while the rest require 4-5

the middle one is usually a bit weird because either its ore which is actually 3-4 or mob drops which are infinitely farmable

and now fish

which likewise are

i guess what they could do is reduce how much the dungeon gems give you in the weekly rotation and move that over to the cobblestone because it is genuinely the harder one out of the 3

and you only get 200 tops

but thats a more drastic balance change

[limpid harness]

Bro this idea is peak and deserves a shrimp

🦐

[modern canopy]

so i dont think it would be necessary

unless of course it becomes an issue that people still dont go to collect basic loot

which honestly i dont either even if it is available for buttcoins just because theres so many and it takes multiple sessions to get them all

this can also be subsided by just adding more adventure maps flush with their own twig/cobblestone loot drops, which intersections weirdly lack

despite being mostly caves or exposed to forests

but even then being able to store it when you DO want to do it but did it already is important

and is also good to have incase they want to expand loot as currency

not to be confused with the currency that can be obtained by selling loot

which btw i was not expecting to be running out of beans fishing with baits, if we can get more adventure consumables that would be great to be helping out the bean economy

i actually need to farm wolves again!

but thats moreso a new content-sided discussion rather than just

utilizing what we already have

which again isnt utilized to its fullest extent, which being able to store loot would improve drastically

[modern canopy]

also adventure has a TON of loot so even if you did all of this you might end up hitting the 4 hour mark or straight up not having enough battery

@frigid onyx referring to you with this one

[modern canopy]

though i did trail off into a general discussion here

i'd like to see you do the challenge again but actually do what i asked

also selling the loot at gnome capital instead of at the closest gnome vendor while youre at it just because to have things be balanced you'd have to bring all your loot back to it to actually store

also youre free to use the legendary loot sack in the disco map, i was rather adamant about this being a good change to encourage using it

[frigid onyx]

Even if i did, it wouldnt change anything.

[modern canopy]

it would be a sizable time difference that adds up

encouraging using bigger loot sacks to reduce travel times between loot and the gnome capital vault

this whole thing is actually a lot like how in animal company you can sell anything for nuts in the rocket or put it in your stash, just that for yeeps its being simplified to loot and also the stash is infinite

[fiery crow]

yes cool

[modern canopy]

the biggest issue is that there isnt a whole lot of distinct loot to obtain in animal company and you cant get company coins or research points from selling loot

its all through doing mining which also gives you nuts anyways

just saying how animal company albeit with some flaws with its economy has some good structural ideas to encourage long term gameplay

just with a flawed economy

[fiery crow]

nice

[modern canopy]

yeeps benefits from having a pretty healthy currency economy

and this change would help resolve longterm gameplay

this is to say i am unironically in the belief that yeeps has the potential to be a stronger open world adventure game than animal company, just without the horror elements

which you have horror mode for if youre itching for a Scare

(if animal company is even that scary to you)

idk its a bit of a tangent but its good to illuminate examples elsewhere that exist already and work well

because i do like yeeps adventure quite a lot, and plenty do

which is why ive been so adamant about this solution for longterm play

[twin monolith]

I think this is too OP

If you get 6 100 buttcoin crystals than you can save one up and every 5 weeks you get a free 500 buttcoins

[modern canopy]

well it isnt free if you had to do the dungeon to get them

[modern canopy]

i do also think the dungeon crystals could be a bit more balanced, but theyre fine as is until further notice

theyre currently Really weighted in the buttcoin amounts

[modern canopy]

also i think thats fine and fun, you can always play more of a dungeon to stockpile more, and if you dont want to or dont have the time to play yeeps for more than a bit to get your streak going then you can cash in

it just enables long term progression by letting loot be valuable as loot

also realistically speaking

the dungeon reward switches every week

so either youre doing each dungeon twice per week

which is Crazy and actually way better for the game if you have the incentive to do that at any given time

but also a tad unrealistic to the average person to accomplish

which is good because it means youll have choices to make about what maps to play

and what to prioritize

which you cant really do right now because what you need to collect is obvious, do the current dungeon, go to the areas loot spawns, and farm mobs if their drops are one

and if you dont cash it in you lose it all in a session, and selling loot for beans is genuinely worse than not picking it up to begin with because your time is more valuable than the effort it takes to do that

[coral python]

This feels like a method for disaster with people farming items that give them beans or buttcoins and storing them in there for forever then cashing them in.

Also requires more server space for all the item ids

[modern canopy]

i can assure you that storing the data is not a problem, the servers probably spend more resources calculating and verifying physics packets than saving the entire techweb progression

[modern canopy]

but if youre storing them in then you had to obtain them in the first place

[coral python]

Technically yes but it’s like buying a bunch of cookies. Yes you bought the cookies but now you never need to buy them again and never need to go back

[modern canopy]

it'd be better to have a reason to collect and store all types of loot at any time than have people only play the specific weekly loot available for buttcoins

[modern canopy]

you wouldve put the same amount of time into the game if not more

[coral python]

Which kinda ruins the point of the trials if you never had to use them

[coral python]

Ok should the devs remove the daily cap on it

[modern canopy]

what this encourages is having people play all the dungeons individually, and even if one person has enough to let them coast for a bit 20 more will follow

the goal is to have all maps and their loot spawns being actively engaged with at all times

rather than just being empty

[coral python]

.

[modern canopy]

loot has no daily cap it respawns every 4 hours so you dont get infinite resources immediately and encourages you to get other loot

but if theres no other loot worth buttcoins then what do they do?

leave

[coral python]

The daily cap to cash it

[modern canopy]

because getting beans from loot isnt what people want to go out of their way to do, especially with dungeons

[coral python]

Like to put the recourses in

[modern canopy]

its weekly

[coral python]

Weekly cap then

[modern canopy]

no its good that its there

[coral python]

But why? it’s the same amount of buttcoins anyway

[modern canopy]

but being able to stockpile loot and sell it all in one go encourages doing all dungeons and collecting loot in advance, even if the current weekly loot cycle isnt them

[coral python]

.

[modern canopy]

youre being rewarded for your time regardless of if you hit the weekly limit

[woven lily]

the grind to stock up on a bunch of the dungeon stuff sounds like really tedious anyways i dont think it matters much if people did

[coral python]

So why not remove it

[modern canopy]

beans arent a good enough reward for your time

[modern canopy]

because thats bad for the buttcoin economy and still doesnt fix other non-buttcoin resources having little reason to collect

[coral python]

If you spend the same amount of time and can collect as many as you want why not make it so you can remove the daily cap? It’s the same amount of buttcoins just spread out

The same argument yet you have different answers

[modern canopy]

youre limited by how much and what kinds of loot you can convert into buttcoins per week

[coral python]

Doesn’t answer my question

[modern canopy]

storing loot to spend when you can sell them for buttcoins isnt the same as being able to keep selling them for buttcoins

[woven lily]

is it much different from the missions on the daily board

[coral python]

Idk I have ever seen those

[modern canopy]

but you Can though, whereas right now unless you sell it for beans once you leave loot is wasted

[coral python]

[woven lily]

the one infrotn of the techweb?

[coral python]

Oh those

[modern canopy]

good example: you wouldnt want players to do infinite daily quests

[coral python]

I don’t really know what you mean

[coral python]

You wouldn’t want players to have the quests already done when they come out either

And just claim buttcoins

[woven lily]

what about the daily 100 or so bonus just for logging in

[modern canopy]

yes you would because they invested their time

[coral python]

So they invested their time to get those materials same with quests yet one is bad without a limit

Not both?

[modern canopy]

youre limited by how much you can sell per week so stockpilers or those who do it in the same week have the same buttcoins but since stockpilers invested more time that effort can be spent immediately since they saved it up

[coral python]

So stockpiled people who do quest is fine?

[modern canopy]

you cant do quests infinitely

[coral python]

.

Example

[modern canopy]

you also cant do quests in advance

[coral python]

You said this

[modern canopy]

but you can collect loot in advance

[coral python]

I responded by saying that you said doing quests ahead of time was good

[modern canopy]

so rewarding people who collect loot by storing their efforts instead of transferring it into beans which lose the value is better

since doing dungeons in advance gets you loot which several people will be doing at any given time

even if one person checks out since they invested enough time others will be

[coral python]

I’m not gonna argue anymore because you are not fully understanding what I’m saying even though I’m trying to make it as simple as I can

[modern canopy]

an ideal adventure is one with players flowing through all maps

[modern canopy]

no

daily quests give you buttcoins

[coral python]

@modern canopy

[modern canopy]

so you cant do them ahead of time

spending your loot in adventure is the weekly quest, not collecting it

[modern canopy]

this is what i meant here

[coral python]

DUDE STOP

[modern canopy]

i mean your arguments were incoherent so thats fine by me

[coral python]

Wtf

[modern canopy]

you misunderstood my arguments and all my points

[coral python]

Nvm you can keep on ranting

I’m good

Bye

[modern canopy]

you came in yourself im just defending man

[coral python]

Don’t “man” me after ts

[modern canopy]

regardless of how many beans loot gives you (which i think could be better balanced for the non-farmable loot but i dont care as much) the investment of time is directly tied to what loot item you collect which their reward for selling is buttcoins which is good

but the time investment tied to collecting a piece of loot is never worth the transfer to beans for some people and they just sell it out of obligation

so having different types of loot be storable retains their relative value in time spent

and then selling them for buttcoins is something to do with them

and since loot is now a more abstract currency you could even spend them with things like crafting as mentioned prior

[modern canopy]

and for the competitive leaderboard concept i tacked on too, time investment for loot would be neverending for a good amount of people

and even for people who coukd be coasting for a good while with invested time, theres so many different loot types that keeping up will take long enough that youd be engaging with the mode for far longer more consistently

all of this being how fishing works, however you dont need to explore to fish and fish are infinitely farmable

realistically, if you got all fish and had plenty for a good while, you wouldnt be fishing, right?

well maybe to some, but theres always going to be people fishing because they all start at their own times

and fish will be sellable for buttcoins too so even if you caught everything the fish you store retain their value

its just that you need to wait until you can and then have a limit of how much you can sell

which is good!

so loot having that too is what i want

[modern canopy]

also, again, like with loot theres a LOT of fish to keep track of and stockpile, so to most people who only play a bit every day theyll not hit that limit for months

and for the record, its good and healthy to have goals you can reach and complete because the ability to complete them is why people go for it

but with infinitely replayable loot and currencies, you need a reason for everyone to engage at all times

so that maps have players all the time

which is what adventure struggles with

and also, adding more maps and content only boosts players and engagement because its new and as such have a honeymoon period where people engage with it for the first time and learn about it, but after that ends it becomes another part suffering from the same issue
luckily fishing is fairly futureproof so the new map fishy harbor wont suffer as much as its just a map dedicated to the mechanic, but maps all about getting loot and getting out dont have that luxury

[twin monolith]

By arguments do you mean essays

[solar pond]

both can coexist in the same message

they don't contradict each other

[haughty oyster]

Me likey

[coral python]

The fact i left and he proceeded to argue more

[modern canopy]

i expanded on the subject i was trying to clarify

any "arguments" were steering the discussion and understanding back to that core idea

[river sapphire]

the fact that i stopped talking and he kept talking because only im allowed to talk when he talks

gawly gee

[modern canopy]

also if you cant engage with a discussion or analysis larger than a paragraph then thats on you and your willingness to engage with the subject

[river sapphire]

if you don't wanna read all that you don't gotta but like i don't see what relevance that is to any conversation

[modern canopy]

all of this is directly related to the subject of the vault and how it would further the game's retention and longevity

on top of involving what other people offer as how to fix adventure

which most miss the mark and fail to recognize why old content isnt being engaged with

so they take it as the fact that it needs more New content or that you should be forced to engage with the maps to reach gamemodes you want to play

which home addressed as an objective improvement to onboarding

and as such most gamemodes manage a solid full lobby

[modern canopy]

also this doesnt even account for collecting loot spawns, its just that the lobbies have full servers because they want to reach somewhere else

again, the ideal goal for adventure is to have all maps be able to sustain a full lobby

and part of how adventure accomplishes that is by incentivizing loot spawns as the reward for putting your time into it

which this idea furthers

i'd be fine subceding if there was a better idea to encourage collecting loot even if its not available for buttcoins but this makes the most logical sense and is the easiest way to address it while retaining what makes collecting loot a challenge and rewarding, like you wouldnt want to immediately put loot you collect into a sack to store permanently right then and there, part of the game of adventure is getting back to safety back through the dungeon successfully

this is just the natural extension of letting that challenge and time spent be saved and retained regardless of what you do in adventure, just that some maps would have more immediately available rewards for selling those so youd prioritize those first

[modern canopy]

i think this is a good sentiment to share here too

also a bit of promotion for that idea even if i do disagree with how it approaches helping adventure reach a healthier point as a mode in yeeps

[solar fable]

This would make everyone start going to adventure to save up crystals and stuff for buttcoins

[solar fable]

It would give adventure a use

[pseudo agate]

no

imo way too op

if you just grind for like a day then you wont have to even play the gamemode for like a week

you are supposed to do it over and over whenever its necessary because thats the point of adventure

[modern canopy]

not exactly? theres so much stuff to do in adventure and if youre playing the game to the point you have enough resources to coast off yourself for a while (which is by the way impossible because loot respawns based on time, and only a third of whats usually available as a weekly quota is available at a time)

[pseudo agate]

just do every dungeon like 5 times and you are good for 3 months

[modern canopy]

also currently what you "grind" for each week is one dungeon, usually a specific mob drop, and a common loot thing dotted everywhere

[pseudo agate]

it ruins legit almost the whole point of adventure

[modern canopy]

being real if you do that you deserve to coast for a long while that could take an entire month of playing to the average person

[pseudo agate]

imo absolutely no

[modern canopy]

currently if you get the loot you want theres no reason to play it more

[pseudo agate]

just makes adventure boring

[modern canopy]

what this does is make it so you can collect any loot at any time and be rewarded for it

[pseudo agate]

no point in doing anything for a good month

[modern canopy]

instead of having to wait for the next week

[modern canopy]

well youll be spending all your loot wouldnt you

also not to mention its not just dungeon gems that are available

[pseudo agate]

yeah

and it would run out

after a month

[modern canopy]

you have all of the mob drops and common loot

[pseudo agate]

and?

[modern canopy]

then you stockpile even more in that month

so you keep playing

[pseudo agate]

no

[modern canopy]

you need a Lot of it

[pseudo agate]

literally all i would have to do is pick up everything i can find and i woulf be good for a month dude

not fun

[modern canopy]

you wouldnt because there is just so much stuff to pick up

[pseudo agate]

maybe its fun for about 2 days but after that there is literally zero point in adventure

[modern canopy]

and the quotas require like 2-4 sessions of playing

theres zero point in adventure once you do the current week's quota

[pseudo agate]

which takes time every week.

[modern canopy]

this means that everyone is rewarded for playing all maps

at any time

[pseudo agate]

your example takes around 2-3 days of grinding, and then you dont have a reason to do anything for a month.

[modern canopy]

if you want to invest your time to be fine for a bit longer then thats good

[pseudo agate]

a month is like 2 updates dude

[modern canopy]

so youd have a reason to be playing throughout it anyways

[pseudo agate]

grinding is the easiest thing bro

its not like its difficult

[modern canopy]

i want you to pick up every single loot item in the game and sell it at gnome capital

and record yourself doing it

and come back to me and show me how easy it is

i asked someone to do it earlier but they didnt follow through

[pseudo agate]

im actually not gonna do that

[modern canopy]

but everyone would be doing it

[pseudo agate]

why would i dude

[modern canopy]

every single day

its so easy

[modern canopy]

its not like its difficult

[pseudo agate]

i explained my point about 3 times and you still dont understand it

[modern canopy]

oh i understand your points

[pseudo agate]

its not like grinding is diffucult pal

[modern canopy]

theyre just wrong and misinformed

then grind

collect every item

[pseudo agate]

im not talking about the picking up everything

[modern canopy]

and sell it

[pseudo agate]

thats gonna take like a day dude

im not doing that just to prove a point

[modern canopy]

an entire day?

well its a good thing you can spread that work out across multiple days

like if the average player only plays for 2 hours

then youd always have stuff to be collecting

this isnt even to mention

[pseudo agate]

my only point is that investing your time for a day-2 days to finish a quest is funner (IN MY OPINION) than stockpiling for about half a week and not having to do anything

[modern canopy]

my ideas of expanding how you can spend the loot you can collect with crafting

[pseudo agate]

thats all im saying

[pseudo agate]

what if im not the average player dude

[modern canopy]

youd be spending the exact same amount of time in the game overall

and plus nobodys forcing you to grind for a week

[pseudo agate]

this suggestion is only good for crafting imo

[modern canopy]

it makes loot as a resource scalable for whatever items they want

also, if you get a ton of fish, youre still wanting to fish right?

[pseudo agate]

i would be fine with this if it was less of a vault and more of a "here you can keep 10 items for a while so you can use them in the future"

[modern canopy]

you can store fish and sell them later

[pseudo agate]

after i get all the fish hell no

fishing is boring

you sit there and reel

[modern canopy]

the issue with adventure is that if the lost frog kingdom's purple gems arent available for buttcoins

[pseudo agate]

you know what a bucket is right

[modern canopy]

nobody does them

the ideal adventure is one where you can do anything at any time and be rewarded longterm for your time spent

[pseudo agate]

i would be completely fine with just a 10 item limit or smth

but stockpiling for just a week to be fine for like 2 months is not okay to be added in my opinion

[modern canopy]

and if someone spends a lot of time over a short period of time they deserve to be rewarded with a break, but for most players they get to be rewarded with the loot they collect retaining the value of that time they spent

regardless of what it is or whats available in the store

which would encourage all maps to be played because of it

[pseudo agate]

in my opinion for this situation, no.

[modern canopy]

and if one person doesnt want to play for a week because they stockpiled like 30 of each gem then thats fine

theres at least 12 other people who are doing the same thing

so a lobby will be full

which is healthy

[pseudo agate]

eliminating one of the games "gamemodes" is boring

[modern canopy]

youll have people to play with

[pseudo agate]

if there was a limit this would be good imo

i dont like your opinion at all

[modern canopy]

again, once you get your weekly buttcoins in you have no reason to play adventure

at least thats the case for most people

[pseudo agate]

for the rest of the week

i dont get your point

your example is just that but for the next month

[modern canopy]

the weekly quest is to sell resources, not collect them

[pseudo agate]

once the majority of the playerbase stockpiles. nobody is playing anymore dude

[modern canopy]

you should be allowed to collect and store all your resources

[pseudo agate]

maybe a limit.

i disagree though

[modern canopy]

i have considered using beans to store loot as a storage cost

so its not completely free

but that cost for the reward of saving the time youve spent would be an apt deal

this is the core issue with adventure mode

[pseudo agate]

many people have a lot of beans

[modern canopy]

i had a lot of beans, maxed

[pseudo agate]

all that would be needed to fix this is to add a limit.

[modern canopy]

then i tried getting the legendary sea dragons

and ideally if beans are expanded as a currency

youll have a lot of things to spend them on

[pseudo agate]

they were just about a week ago

[modern canopy]

which they do deserve some expanding

[modern canopy]

bait is a good step in the right direction, i agree

but thats moreso towards fishing rather than adventure as a whole

[pseudo agate]

all that would be needed to fix this suggestion is to add a limit to the amount of items

i dont like your idea of stockpiling so youll have to do absolutely nothing for a month

it seems way too unfair and ruins the point of adventure

no reason to play adventure if you literally have nothing to do

using an example of stuff like collecting a ton of wood is useless because thats like 18 buttcoins in total and theres no big reason to do it

[modern canopy]

it does fix the core issue with adventure that theres no reason to collect loot that isnt available for buttcoins because beans, even if they do have value, arent worth the time spent collecting loot especially when you can farm mobs infinitely

and storing them retains that time value

[pseudo agate]

it does add another core issue with adventure that theres no reason to play the game after collecting enough loot

[modern canopy]

because each loot type is worth time

[pseudo agate]

most dungeons take like 30 minutes max

[modern canopy]

they take 30 minutes of effort max

if you want beans then you can farm wolves

for buttcoins you only need to do the one dungeon

[pseudo agate]

you dont need any effort for this dude

literally any dungeon can be abused

all the current dungeons as of now are insanely easy

you need basically no effort and you can just pile up resource to ruin the point of playing for a month

i hate that idea

its boring

it ruins adventure

[pseudo agate]

then dont collect it

just do what you want to get

it will reset every week dude

put in about 50 minutes of effort for most main quests and get what you want for the week, and you can do more next week

[modern canopy]

then why dont people pick up all the loot they see and then say that adventure has no content

the loot is an apt reward

[pseudo agate]

what does that at all have to do with anything i said gng

[modern canopy]

but it cant be stored permanently

[pseudo agate]

in your example you put in more effort, and do more of nothing.

still the same amount of effort if it was weekly

but way more boring because now theres a gap inbetween playing

play for a bit and play for a bit in a week

or play for a while and play for a while again in a month

i dont like that idea at all

as a metter of fact i kinda wish the quests were worth less but daily

then you can play daily and get stuff daily

storing stuff for a month means i dont have to do anything for like 20 updates

it doesnt fix adventure

it just puts scotch tape on a water leak

[modern canopy]

its also not like you have to grind for an entire week, its just that if you want to youre rewarded for it

if you dont have the time or want to do something else you dont have to

and you can still get the rewards

[pseudo agate]

its an optional way to ruin the game for a year

fun

i dont like your idea

[modern canopy]

thats why i also offer the idea of adding on top of getting buttcoins for selling loot having crafting and also a longterm leaderboard where youre competiting against other people with how much loot of a type you can collect

so you can be the #1 wolf tooth gatherer or something

that way the reason to keep playing adventure is to compete with others

[pseudo agate]

ingame leaderboards are annoying because its solely based on time played rather than effort

imo

[modern canopy]

i think adventure is healthier having a reason to play all of its maps than having the same players constantly playing it

[pseudo agate]

also i feel like crafting is a bad update

[modern canopy]

because yeeps has a ton of players, youll always have people playing

so you can play with them

if one person plays enough that they dont need to for a bit

then so be it

thats what they played extra for

they couldve stopped once they got the weekly loot quota

[pseudo agate]

the thing about that is nobody is gonna play if they stockpiled resources for about a day

theres no reason to play so nobody will

[modern canopy]

this just gives more options and reasons to engage on top of the ability to expand resources mechanically

[pseudo agate]

what they should do

[modern canopy]

again this is physically impossible

[pseudo agate]

is they should make all resources cost way less

but have them sellable forever

[modern canopy]

no because then thats infinite buttcoins

[pseudo agate]

with effort yes

[modern canopy]

and you dont want infinite buttcoins because that messes with the entire economy

thats why silver beans were introduced

to be infinitely farmable and tradable in for consumable rewards

buttcoins by design are time gated

[pseudo agate]

its not infinite dude

can you let me finish my sentence for once.

genuinely

[modern canopy]

yeah sure time is limited but youre still selling loot infinitely

[pseudo agate]

what im trying to say is that you get way less for doing the quest but it runs forever, so you can keep doing it and gain a sustainable income

you put more effort in every day to get more money

i dont like your example because you just put in a bunch of effort and you dont have to do anything after that

all im saying is i dislike your way of changing things

and even with adding a crafting feature, it still ruins the purpose of doing quests frequently

i think doing stuff should be frequent

[modern canopy]

it causes an issue with having consistent engagement among high-level players but theyre putting in the same amount of time if not more than they would have previously

theyre still playing yeeps a lot

and youll be able to play with others

so the experience is enhanced

if not made a bit more inconsistent if youre looking at specific players

[pseudo agate]

i dont want to have to talk to my friend and be like, yo wanna go get some resources, just to realize they have enough to support them for a year

[modern canopy]

but leaderboards balance it out by having really talented players who grind be rewarded by showing off

[pseudo agate]

it makes individuals have no point of playing

[modern canopy]

i mean youre still allowed to

you just have a ton of value tied to your account

and youd be adding more value

the value being time spent

[pseudo agate]

yes but its less fun when you know your week supply is going up 2.3%

[modern canopy]

you can always spend more time

[pseudo agate]

i dont like the idea of spending time a bunch to support yourself a bunch and leaving a big gap of nothing

[modern canopy]

also if you have enough resources to float for a year you genuinely might have more resources than have been collected ever in yeeps

[pseudo agate]

having the weekly quests be weekly guarantees that people are always playing

you will genuinely just have less players when stockpiling is available.

you will.

[modern canopy]

people will always be playing, it just wont be the same people, its just that people can be spread out across different maps because theyll be actually rewarded

[pseudo agate]

people can log on for the whole week whenever they want to get stuff, and the week after that, and the week after that.

[modern canopy]

and people will keep playing yeeps because of the daily buttcoins

and new updates

they just wont have to engage with adventure if they dont want to

which is what they spent the time for

[pseudo agate]

if its continuous that garuntees that theres less people because many people have played the game longer and stockpiled.

[modern canopy]

if they want to play more to collect more loot they can still engage

[pseudo agate]

yeah and that makes a part of the game irrelevant

[modern canopy]

well there will always be more and more people because yeeps is always growing, and this would encourage more people to be playing always

just that there will be a mid-tier group of players who arent going for those high leaderboards but also have enough to be good for a while

[pseudo agate]

i once went into every minigames lobby (from home) and not a SINGLE person was in any lobby.

[modern canopy]

and thats healthy for an mmo game

[pseudo agate]

i dont want there to be big fun features that become completely irrelevant to the game after a point

there should always be a reason to do something in a game but there isnt

(imo there should be especially if there was effort spent making that feature)

all im saying is i dont like your idea dude.

it makes part of the game less played

maybeif there was a limit it would shorten the time gaps

but basically everything mentioned in the post i disagree with

im gonna go play some actually fun adventure where i can collect things and not have a massive time gap inbetween playing

goodbye

[modern canopy]

i do appreciate actually engaging with my discussions and ideas, so i'll leave that there

[silver violet]

Peak

[wicked blaze]

[modern canopy]

Hello little dobber...

[modern canopy]

revive

[modern canopy]

Adventure Vault (Permanent Loot Storage) [✨67+]

[eager basin]

It’s 69 now

[modern canopy]

it got power crept sorry

[modern canopy]

someday my sweet prince...

[blazing vine]

uhhh good

or something

i think i've been here before

[modern canopy]

:)

all im saying it just makes sense to introduce it to adventure as well

fishing was already successful

[modern canopy]

just learned that there are going to be ||cards|| for each of the loot types

come on man!!!! let the real loot types have that sort of permanent storage!!!

[modern canopy]

btw should also note that flint exists which i guess is the mysterious black shard

im shocked to see it included since it goes unused to my knowledge

also gold ore is actually sulfur ore

also it's confirmed that it's copper instead of bronze although most people called it copper so yeah

its going to be silly to see ||CARDS|| of the loot items be permanently storable while the actual loot just gets lost if you dont sell it for beans

[modern canopy]

just gonna say it's kinda evil to have a quest where you gotta collect 50 bits of cobblestone and you cant even sell it for buttcoins this week
if only there was a way to. Store it for when it is available

[modern canopy]

also yeah as with fish we now have trading cards, another permanently stored resource for the player

the technology is there it just needs to be introduced for adventure loot too

the anniversary of yeeps also marks when 2.0 first released, just saying!

[modern canopy]

props for lowering it from 200 btw but honestly i wouldve wanted to see how people handled it considering that cobblestone is such an annoying resource to get an abundance of

happy that i dont need to grind that much cobblestone

for what its worth theres a small chance that the next week actually IS cobblestone (and i guess bat wings too potentially) so i'm personally holding out until then

[modern canopy]

okay so there is a stone quest this week but its currently bugged so you only get progress for selling it for beans

20 bat wings still exists and still sucks Cough Cough #1468362187176411310

[modern canopy]

was nerfed to 7

[patent wharf]

i love this idea but their would need to be a limit on how many of a specific loot you can hold

[modern canopy]

i dont think thats necessary considering how fish and cards are unlimited

i will admit, the core issue with introducing this into the current game is that the economy of loot is a bit lopsided

we need more places to spend loot and a general rebalance of loot spawns and loot quotas, whether that be how much each piece of loot gives you with buttcoins or how many you need to fill it up to full

the goal of maintaining adventure is that loot should be drained by a healthy amount to the average player while rewarding players who do grind it out to get cool stuff and clear out the weekly loot quotas immediately

while i think this would encourage players to collect all pieces of loot at any point in time the stockpiles will eventually fill as the places to sell the loot werent designed for it to be stockpiled

however the issue of picking up random loot only to be able to sell it for beans which is never worth going out of your way to do, therefore reducing the amount you can engage with maps is a lot worse than loot being inflated since there isnt as much of a drain

weekly loot quotas should also preferably be designed to be completable by the average player as the consistent weekly source of buttcoins

but i think like with how fishing was done there can be rewards for collecting a bunch of a type of loot, and given how many different loot types there are you can really go hog wild with what rewards you can give for each piece of loot

[modern canopy]

adventure would be in a way healthier spot if this was added than if it wasnt is what im trying to say as the incentive just isnt there to collect loot to sell for beans

obviously they cant all be sold for buttcoins all the time

adventure is a tricky thing to design around but i think it is reasonably possible given a few more features that can be scalable with additional content updates

if there is a blacksmithing system where you can deposit loot to craft special tools like a more advanced version of how legendary gadgets work (ideally once you spend loot to craft it you can spawn it again with beans) it would be perfectly fine if 1-2 new unique gadgets were added to that blacksmith selection per update

they dont have to be that crazy since theyre just special gadget reskins, maybe they can have their own effects though

just something to make engaging with adventure give you something neat

legendary gadgets do seem rather popular in theory but the upfront bean cost for a non permanent item kinda deters people from buying it consistently

by making legendary gadgets require an upfront cost of loot before being able to buy it for like 500 beans after (for comparison legendary gadgets cost 10k beans) it makes buying those gadgets more consistently more appealing while also giving a use for loot outside of the weekly quests

and if the blacksmithing system is like an interactable interface similar to how the jigsaw board works then it can be infinitely scalable with new gadgets tacked on if the design team has the time to do so

it'd kinda be like how animal company always has a new gadget to release every week Mostly because theyre all like the same reskin but it gives you something new to collect

ofc the currency system of animal company is inherently flawed due to the simplification of the resources you can gather being boiled down to what would essentially be beans, buttcoins, and rarer buttcoins

whereas yeeps has a lot of leeway with designing the requirements for gadgets by using loot

[modern canopy]

btw no, i dont think loot should be consumed to spawn it again even if that would help drain loot in the economy

you'd want people to spawn them whenever they want without feeling the sting of a cost

the small bean cost and temporary nature of the item just comes with the territory of adventure since you wouldnt want them to be permanent because then it'd just be a weird tech web with a bunch of random reskins

That is also kind of what the secret shop is but you know what i mean

plus as more adventure maps get added it also gives the design team more room to design unique combinations of loot that make unique gadgets

[modern canopy]

there is also that leaderboard idea i mentioned a bit ago too although its moreso gamifying the aspect of collecting in adventure so youre always incentivized to be collecting which can have a competition as people race to collect as much loot as possible, maybe with weekly/monthly/all time rankings

although that wouldnt really drain resources inherently nor do i think it should

you could Potentially consume that resource to gain one point on the leaderboard but at that point you'd just discourage people from engaging with the leaderboard as a whole because theyd want to save that loot for when it can be spent elsewhere

[modern canopy]

also like im saying like requiring 25 magic crystals and 150 twigs to first craft a gadget like you can really go hog wild with the requirements for some of these because theyll be chipped away at in the background as you collect loot

Well you also have to spend that loot its not like it passively increases but ideally in the perfect adventure gameplay loop the player should be encouraged to collect every bit of loot and store it

that way when it is useful theyll have an abundance to spend on stuff

and it also makes having those temporary reskins more of a flex than Oh i spent 10k beans this session

the issue with adventure is that people dont want to pick up loot at all until its worth buttcoins and even then the amount for some quests are so high for the amount of loot scattered across the entire world only to be worth so little that you're better off just not trying for some loot quests

cobblestone, twigs, and logs all suffer a similar fate

now ofc i do also think that those should have even more spawns especially because intermission maps for some reason dont have any loot spawns despite the fact twigs, logs, and cobblestone would fit perfectly in wolf valley and frog forest

but at the end of the day if youre collecting loot every chance you can to store it you'll be able to put a dent regardless of when a piece of loot is available to be sold for buttcoins so you have a head start on the trickier ones

[modern canopy]

thats also why i dont really want a limit because you dont want to put a hard cap on how much people can grind adventure

the more someone can play adventure and feel rewarded because they can store the loot theyve collected the better, the matter just comes down to making sure that loot can be spent on a variety of things

[modern canopy]

fishing is in the state of always being rewarding because you can store fish but its drained far too little

ribbon longbacks only require 15 for all the buttcoins to be gained which is just kinda baffling because other fish require like 50 which is way more of a drain

although i do understand that those fish are inherently rarer and shouldnt be made the same because the average player doesnt have that large of a stockpile nor would they be able to easily accumulate one

and its balanced for the toy fishing rod too

but there is a bit of a discrepancy there

[modern canopy]

the smaller fish are also the most drained firstly because theyre a lot less common with the pro fishing rod, take 50 per weekly loot quota, and are used to farm king crabs

obviously it'd be silly to have a ribbon longback in a crab cage but it is something to think about

but despite those presient issues, fishing is still wildly popular and rewarding with a lot of longterm progression with the crowns and filling out your index

obviously filling out all the loot in the game is a far easier task than getting all fish but thats where the blacksmith comes in, the goal then becomes getting all the unique blacksmithing gadgets unlocked

you wanna know something crazy? people DO like adventure and are willing to engage with the world, the jigsaw was a shining example of that

an absurd amount of people looked all over for stone and every gnome capital server had at least some bat wing farmers

obviously this is riding the high of the new update as people scramble to do it but its not like the gameplay loop of adventure lacks weight, it just lacks incentives let alone worthwhile ones

i dont expect the absurd influx of people in adventure to hold but having activity in all walks of adventure is far more appealing than having people be relegated to getting the dungeon loot quests (which are balanced perfectly atm) and MAYBE farming mob drops whether that be fabric, horns, teeth, or ingots (bats excluded because theyre annoying to farm although nathan has said that it likely wont change because the desire is to maintain the incentive to set up skybase farms for the bats which i do kinda understand but if thats the case they should be worth Way more okay side tangent over)

trading cards might actually have the opportunity to be the most inflated resource ecosystem given the fact they cant be consumed though the amount of cards that exist and the existence of gold cards makes me imagine getting a full collection will be a long task

plus as new items and things get added theyll probably retroactively get cards too so theyll be scalable naturally as the game evolves

[robust kestrel]

This would be good because i have max beans and i could just sell something when i use the beans

[modern canopy]

while also allowing you to keep having the incentive of collecting loot because it can then be held until you want to do that

[modern canopy]

considering making a big giant adventure update suggestion thread with this included and some additional tidbits to organize all my thoughts on adventure given what we know about the new game

fyi i think both adventure modes can and should coexist and i'd imagine the design of both have their own unique quirks

all adventure needs is refining the concepts it offers after all

[modern canopy]

it wouldnt really be that big, its just moreso saying that adventure doesnt need some big overhaul to its progression to turn it into something its not when it isnt half bad now, just unbalanced and abandoned which can just be fixed by having more updates

it'd also be cool to mock up a world map that i think would have an ideal amount of maps

at the end of the day the thread would just be

1. adventure vault
2. rebalance loot spawns and loot quota buttcoin rewards and requirements
3. give each biome a dungeon and set of maps on par with what the game was prior to back to suburbs

though i dont see much to add since ive talked about those at length here and all it'd do would drown out other ideas which while i think its important to recenter how people think about adventure it'd be unnecessary especially when the main brunt of this thread is a new idea to add on top of adventure regardless of what form it takes

plus im not opposed to other ideas i just dont think adventure Needs to be something it isnt now