moderation STILL is half efforted

[worthy zephyr]

lab rats, reviewers,etc, from what I've seen aren't actually held to a higher standard and instead get away with more,

so uh yeah enforce rules more for higher ranks

[ornate bramble]

yea

[worthy zephyr]

-# pumpko

what i didn't say anything

[ornate bramble]

-# no dip sherlock

must've been the douser dualies

[worthy zephyr]

-# ‏

I didn't say anything

[worthy zephyr]

also i get harassed when my voice breaks

(female voice male voice crack)

[worthy zephyr]

y

[verbal ocean]

we're judged the exact same as everyone else

reviewers and highers can get punished for dms

[worthy zephyr]

the problem

[verbal ocean]

we get punished more

and can get punished for more

[worthy zephyr]

ok thats good

-# some reviewers get away with blatant rule breaks

-#ahem

[formal kettle]

I think even CC should be held to a higher standard than normal players

because CC help shape the community ofc

labrats (and sometimes reviewers) are also looked up to, by at least part of the community
-# usually younger kids
which means they also should be held to a higher standard

[meager bough]

must of been the best weapon in s3 🗣️🔥

[errant fractal]

revs are held at a lab rat standard the only thing revs and up are held against that lab rats aren’t is out of server stuff

but good idea imo

-# certain members doing horrible stuff out of server that goes against law but can’t be banned in this server cause it’s “out of server” even though it’s blatantly horrible they for some reason don’t take action against it

who said that

[errant fractal]

CC isn’t much to be held at a higher standard

all you do is just make content for buttcoins and monthly things

to me the standard it should be held at is just don’t flex ur roles

[formal kettle]

I mean, it's basically content endorsed by trass (they're literally giving you stuff for it) so it makes sense for CC to be held higher than the average player

[errant fractal]

i feel like if there’s any standards for cc it should be a bit above regular player and below lab rat standard

i dont think rev should be held at a much of a higher standard then lab rat due to the fact that its a discord only role (so most children wont know or look up to you) and also rev is just volunteer work

although they should get more punishment for out of server actions

i agree with the suggestion though

[errant fractal]

quick thing i’m going away from rev so yeah you won’t have to complain about me anymore lmao

[cursive warren]

lab rats and default yeeps are meant to be held at the same standards, because all a lab rat is is someone who gets to beta-test.

so if you are heightening moderation for lab rats, then youd have to heighten it for defaults too

[worthy zephyr]

thats the problem and also no?

roles are held at higher standards

[cursive warren]

no.

(lab rats are not}

[worthy zephyr]

when you get a role is says '______s are held to a higher standard'

[worthy zephyr]

they are

very slightly

it does say it

[formal kettle]

labrats are

-# supposed to be at least

[cursive warren]

where does it say that bro

[formal kettle]

unless they removed it from labrats guide

[worthy zephyr]

when a person harassed me for being trans, it was a lab rat. I've seen that person since and they still have roles despite doing it to others

[worthy zephyr]

in the role guides

[formal kettle]

in #❓・lab-rats-guide (labrats guide) it used to say "labrats are held to a higher standard" or something along those lines

but it doesn't seem to directly say that anymore

[errant fractal]

yeah no lab rats are a higher standard

they make it clear

extra standards in question

[high cape]

Banana

[ornate bramble]

did gog also have moderation issues like this?

istg moderation comes up every five seconds witht this game and rightfully so

[errant fractal]

in game moderation isn’t a problem

it’s the stupid ass discord moderation

[modest edge]

is that a naughty word i see?

@still surge

please issue a warn, user is being unkind.

[sharp marsh]

I once recorded and reported a labrat saying "#### you" to some kid and he got away with just a warning

[unborn lintel]

Did due actually respond to the ticket

[unborn lintel]

With a certain someone as a exception apparently

I like

👍

[worthy zephyr]

revive

[modest edge]

someone said the same to me and even called me a dumb aword
"Resolved - No Action Taken"

[cursive warren]

the extra standards are that you lose labrat for treating yourself higher?

that has literally nothing to

bro

[ornate bramble]

lab rats are held to a higher standard in a world where moderation on here actually works

[stoic stag]

this wouldnt make sense

we already get away with less

[stoic stag]

no we dont 💔

[worthy zephyr]

gang

I wasn't talking about you

[stoic stag]

i know

[worthy zephyr]

KEYWORD: some

[worthy zephyr]

^

[stoic stag]

you are only using one person as an example

[torn spear]

there are others but pumko is the main one

[worthy zephyr]

im using multiple

[torn spear]

like main main one

[stoic stag]

hmmm well i dont see any others

[worthy zephyr]

I just only used the word reviewer

[worthy zephyr]

good thing

[unborn lintel]

Pumpko is cool though

[worthy zephyr]

wow you are evil

[torn spear]

they are an ai rage baiter whos mean most of the time

[worthy zephyr]

keyword most

oops

[stoic stag]

he only is cause someone started it

you only target him

[worthy zephyr]

no

[unborn lintel]

Yeah but they dont like due and I dont like due

[stoic stag]

only one as an example

[worthy zephyr]

im using multiple people but some aren't reviewers, its a typo

[stoic stag]

still

it would be cool if you could give examples

[worthy zephyr]

I would get shot

[stoic stag]

well then your statement wont stand for very long without any evidence backing it up

[worthy zephyr]

there is evidence

its literally backed by multiple witnesses

they know who im talking bout

im trying to be vague

[torn spear]

also ive seen labrats be rude and greif and get away with it

same with mods a few times

[errant fractal]

it’s not even ragebait lmao

i sent a few images then people start hating me and it snowballed into a death threat

cause i think the images are funny

not ragebait

yall using me as an example just cause i have an opinion you guys disagree with so then you classify it as ragebait then become hostile towards me

[worthy zephyr]

yikers

[worthy zephyr]

I was only using you as a joke

[errant fractal]

i know that

but some people are genuinely hostile towards me lmao

[worthy zephyr]

thats kinda bad

[worthy zephyr]

I've heard of a mod being freaky but im not sure that actually happened

[errant fractal]

trust me that’s true

[worthy zephyr]

[warm wren]

As a Lab rat 😭 I think that we should be held more accountable for our action, maybe look more into ban history or if they’ve been reported, or punish them with less leeway and more accountability

[meager bough]

I think lab rats are just the standard role ngl

you can get it so easy to the point where everyone has it

[torn spear]

did you get demoted?

[torn spear]

nah thats CC

[meager bough]

there are def more lab rats that ccs

[torn spear]

yeah bc CC gets labrat

most Labrats got it through CC

[meager bough]

yea so because of that lab rats are more common

so I don’t think it should be held to that much of a higher standard

bc it really doesn’t mean much

[torn spear]

nah it should honestly

[meager bough]

why?

[worthy zephyr]

yall meant to represent the community

[torn spear]

still a role that you earned and they represent most of the comunity

[worthy zephyr]

[meager bough]

that’s where I disagree, nobody is really looking up to lab rats, like i said it’s kinda the standard role and when more and more ppl get it there’s no reason to hold them to a higher standard when there’s a large amount of them and they don’t really do anything to help the community

someone would more look up to the person rather if they are lab rat or not

[torn spear]

not really

[ornate bramble]

lab rats get are (in the words of trass) privileged

right?

[torn spear]

most kids look up to them and would even do rulebreaking acts if told by one

[errant fractal]

privileged to test

[ornate bramble]

you right

[errant fractal]

lab rat should just be held to a standard where they can get demoted for out of server stuff

cause the stuff i see some of them doing out of server

[worthy zephyr]

-# it feels weird not seeing orange pumpko

[worthy zephyr]

especially

[meager bough]

if they don’t know much about the game yea, but after some time they will realize that lab rats are not really that big

[torn spear]

might need to change their name to limeo

[errant fractal]

get used to it better for me not being in people’s attention to blame every rev just cause i like ai

[errant fractal]

🤔

[meager bough]

yea definitely, I would argue everyone should be ngl

[errant fractal]

i genuinely got the worst way to get my name i could’ve done

it was from a gorilla tag pumpkin cosmetic

[torn spear]

i got mine from a random jumblement of letters that sounded good

[errant fractal]

did i mention it was for videos back in 2023 😭😭😭😭😭

[worthy zephyr]

uhhh

[warm wren]

Frrrr bro the amount of ppl I see in the lab that sound 8 is crazy

[torn spear]

yeah

[worthy zephyr]

I uhh made mine up

100%

[torn spear]

atleast its better than my og user that i have stuck as my email

[errant fractal]

they all blame it on late bloomers but then say they’re 16

[worthy zephyr]

thoupable

[torn spear]

no it was "axolotl clan member 1" i was not cooking

[errant fractal]

i have another user i use as my email from back in 2019

[worthy zephyr]

soupable

[torn spear]

im not soup

[errant fractal]

throwable

[worthy zephyr]

slurp

[errant fractal]

i’m unblocking this guy chill asf dude

we deadass bro 😭

[torn spear]

know what your cool enough to be unblocked

[sick lotus]

Massive

[worthy zephyr]

‏

[worthy zephyr]

‏

there we go

[boreal yacht]

Idk what ur talking about I’ve been false banned thrice and I have plenty of roles

[worthy zephyr]

not the point????

False bans are a different issue

[boreal yacht]

Yes it is

[worthy zephyr]

no its not????

[boreal yacht]

I’m not talking about false bans it’s how many times I’ve been banned

[worthy zephyr]

if its false its not what im talking about. im talking about not getting banned

[boreal yacht]

That doesn’t make any sense

[worthy zephyr]

getting away with crap ig

[boreal yacht]

I haven’t gotten away with anything

[worthy zephyr]

then im not talking about you in the suggestion

also WHAT

[scenic tree]

No we are we do get way stricker modernation (I lost lr)

[sharp marsh]

I don't really think anything pumpko did was wrong (unless he was one of those people that kept spam pinging super when super literally renamed himself to "DO NOT PING")

I honestly don't remember if he did that

[worthy zephyr]

used alot of ai

[sharp marsh]

not really against any rules here

it's not like he was posting it in the art channel

[worthy zephyr]

it was ragebait(?)

[sharp marsh]

was it though?

[worthy zephyr]

im relatively sure

[sharp marsh]

#1282879952546697216 message

[worthy zephyr]

ragebait ception

[sharp marsh]

honestly we should just go back to calling it trolling

it was way funnier

[errant fractal]

i pinged him 2 times during that

it was blown way out of proportion

and exaggerated

[sharp marsh]

still kinda rude

[errant fractal]

true

but that was months back

[sharp marsh]

yeah

[sharp marsh]

oh no

[golden shoal]

if you have any sort of following/friends with alot of mods you can get away with alot of stuff actually

tiven being openly xenophobic

originally it was a semi role demotion of lr and rev (which i still think was a little stupid)

and then he appealed it somehow and only got his rev taken

which like what?

[vapid ibex]

part of it is just people with higher ranks know the rules better so they can do stuff and barely not break any rules

[golden shoal]

xenophobia is pretty bad and they somehow condord up with a only rev being taken away because he kept whining abt it in general and had to big of an ego to take responsibility and suck it up

[meager bough]

i remember seeing this, ts was the peak of arguments in this server 😭

[golden shoal]

you DONT know peak

have you seen lawyer ducky and gryz?

[meager bough]

the guy who made all those cws?

for money?

[golden shoal]

#1456406242757972181 message

watch ts

this was the peak of arguments

[meager bough]

yea i did see this

ts was up there but not peak

i was gonna say smth but i didn't want to get involved

like cws cannot be this deep 😭

[golden shoal]

i think 2024 june pride suggestions were some peak arguments

[errant fractal]

holy shi that’s a long ass argument

son 😭😭😭

[golden shoal]

just homophobic people being stupid

[golden shoal]

yes

thats why its good

[errant fractal]

the peak of arguments when it was the whole server against one person was december 17th

genuinely you had to be there to experience it

[meager bough]

i wonder who that was

[errant fractal]

a certain bad ex mod

[meager bough]

yea ik

[meager bough]

i was joking

[vapid ibex]

mixx

[errant fractal]

shhh

[golden shoal]

sadly i wasnt there

[vapid ibex]

ohh my

mb

[errant fractal]

it was peak

[golden shoal]

ive heard abt it tho

[unborn lintel]

I was genuinely proud of the community for uniting together under one purpose

[worthy zephyr]

I was there but I didn't know what was happening

[worthy zephyr]

rev

[glossy lintel]

what proof?

[worthy zephyr]

have you looked anywhere in game

its freaking everwhere

[glossy lintel]

i mean how do you know labrats aren't held to the same or higher standards?

[worthy zephyr]

guess

when I got cc my discord bugged and replaced the lr and cc channel guide

also cause it says it everywhere

[glossy lintel]

this doesn't make a lot of sense

[worthy zephyr]

it said lab rat stuff instead of cc stuff

[glossy lintel]

it just doesn't really match context of things very well

[worthy zephyr]

a

[worthy zephyr]

a

[cursive warren]

seems fine to me man

[worthy zephyr]

keyword seems

you're kinda lucky if you haven't seen this

[cursive warren]

what is this bro

[worthy zephyr]

people get away with things very often

[cursive warren]

what power divide though

[worthy zephyr]

???

there is none

there's a standard gap tho

[cursive warren]

what

so how is there a power divide

[worthy zephyr]

???

[worthy zephyr]

thats not a power divide gang

[cursive warren]

that was a question dude

[worthy zephyr]

I answered it already

[worthy zephyr]

h

[sharp marsh]

So I (before I got lr) write "Ugly" on noel fanart and get a week long ban, but a lr says "#### you" to a kid (on recording) and he gets away with a warning??!

[cursive warren]

so

what

[worthy zephyr]

bruh

[sharp marsh]

they didn't even get their lr removed!

[worthy zephyr]

I hate to say it but your contributing to the problem

[cursive warren]

so is that not a power divide

[worthy zephyr]

thats not what that means

moderators have more power(obviously)

[cursive warren]

and?

[cursive warren]

this text looks a LOT like a power divide

is what im saying rn

[sharp marsh]

Do you mean that LRs get less punishment?

[cursive warren]

no but it looks like thats what ur saying

so im genuinely confused now

[sharp marsh]

so what do you mean by power divide?

[cursive warren]

defaults being banned for things they should be banned for
lab rats not being banned for things they should be banned for

[sharp marsh]

so yeah

LRs getting less punishment

"Being a Lab Rat is a privilege. Be humble, respectful, and a positive presence both in and out of the game."

[cursive warren]

thats a power divide

[sharp marsh]

yeah

[cursive warren]

ok so then if theres a power divide why are we asking to add a power divide

actual question

i dont understand your point here

[sharp marsh]

they're asking for the reverse

[cursive warren]

ohhhhhh

yeah thats fair

[sharp marsh]

labrats, moderators, etc getting punished for smaller things since they're supposed to be held to a higher standard

[cursive warren]

well personally i dont really agree with that take

if thats what the suggestion is

i think everyone should be held at the exact same standards

[sharp marsh]

well in the case of punishment, it really only means getting your roles removed

not bans

unless it's worthy of a ban

[cursive warren]

imo everyone should be held at the same standards and with any ban, they should have roles removed and the ban.

i dont like power division or different standards

unless the standards are stuff like moderators having to be active and enforce rules

[sharp marsh]

that's the way is is rn

[cursive warren]

yeah thats why i dont like the suggestion

[formal kettle]

labrats influence how the game develops, and are sometimes looked up to by others in the community
CC make videos, and influence the community with their opinions (to an extent)
it makes sense that these roles would be held to a higher standard than others

[cursive warren]

yeah well imo i dont like that take

i think everybody should be held at the same standards (except for actual rules to keep the role)

so stuff like moderators having to actually do stuff

i dont like the idea of heightening standards for roles just because they do more/less

[formal kettle]

it's not like these people would have to walk on eggshells
they just shouldn't get away with some stuff they do

[cursive warren]

so thats why they should be held at the same standards IMO

i dont want it to be higher standards

[formal kettle]

example: a labrat shouldn't spread misinformation about rules, and imply that they have the ability to enforce those rules
-# yeah that could fall under power division, or even mod impersonation, but not always

[cursive warren]

right now some roles arent being punished just because of their role

and i think that they should just be equal

not higher in standards

[cursive warren]

wdym not always

like sometimes they arent held to their standards

or like

[formal kettle]

my example could fall under a labrat creating a power division, or impersonating a mod

but "not always" as in it won't always fall under that ruling

[cursive warren]

then it should

by making roles equal

[formal kettle]

-# also, labrats kind of have to be held to a higher standard to keep roles equal
-# as expecting labrats to not create a power division is holding them to a higher standard

[cursive warren]

yes but i mean standards as in power division and ban differences just because of different roles

not stuff like "youll be removed from the program if you do this"

im saying that if the issue is "i got banned for this but he didnt"
then just make it so bans are equal

im not talking about standards like roles having to do specific things to keep the role

the only issue example ive seen is "i got banned for this but they didnt"

and the only example of standards ive seen is keeping roles

im not talking about standards like keeping a role

all im saying is that if the problem is differences in bans due to roles

just make bans equal

thats it

all im saying

[formal kettle]

I don't think they were suggesting for labrats and ccs to be banned for less than the average player

[cursive warren]

thats all the examples ive seen though

[formal kettle]

-# they even mentioned that people with roles tend to get away with things people who don't have roles get in trouble for

[cursive warren]

so...

just

make bans equal

huh

[cursive warren]

i literally never said that

i never said they were suggesting that

i said my assumption of what they were suggesting is to make labs and ccs to be banned more because they are supposed to have higher standards

and right now they are being banned less

my fix is to just make it equal

[formal kettle]

then what does this mean??

[cursive warren]

dont make standards higher or keep them low

[formal kettle]

or do you mean the reverse

[cursive warren]

if the issue right now in moderation is that "default me got banned but labrat him didnt because of roles"

dont make it so labrats are held to higher standards

and can be banned easier

just make it equal

thats been my entire point this whole time

[formal kettle]

I still don't know why you're even talking about labrats getting banned easier
because as I've said, I don't think that's even what the suggestion is about

equal bans are fine

different standards does not mean different bans

[cursive warren]

thats what i understood

[formal kettle]

"enforce rules more" doesn't just mean bans???

[cursive warren]

that is the only example they gave me

so i assumed thats what they meant

[formal kettle]

enforcing a rule more for labrats could be removing the role, for something that both isn't ban/warn worthy, yet still isn't behavior they expect from a labrat

[cursive warren]

and what im saying is i think they should all be held at equal standards

standards as in bans/warns are equal and not biased in any way

[formal kettle]

yes, bans and warns should be (at least mostly) equal
-# maybe mods could have higher standards for that

[cursive warren]

and thats literally all i was saying

[formal kettle]

but why???

[formal kettle]

this is the only example I found that was directed at you

[cursive warren]

because i think everyone should be held at the same standards

[formal kettle]

no, why in here

or at least while talking to me

because I clarified that I wasn't talking about bans or warns, nor did I think that was the main point of the post

[cursive warren]

all i saw in the post after going over it

was that roles arent held at good standards

and higher roles should be held at higher standards

all i was saying

is that i think instead of higher or lower standards

they should just be equal for everyone

[formal kettle]

ignoring bans, and thinking about role loss instead?

[cursive warren]

what

[formal kettle]

.

[cursive warren]

if someone breaks rules their role should be removed and they should be banned

[formal kettle]

yes ofc

[cursive warren]

so then

what

[formal kettle]

"enforcing a rule more for labrats could be removing the role, for something that both isn't ban/warn worthy, yet still isn't behavior they expect from a labrat"

this is an example of a labrat not breaking a rule

but still losing their role for their behavior

similar to star creators being able to lose star creator without getting banned

[cursive warren]

ok so

how does that change anything i said

[formal kettle]

that is holding them to a higher standard, without changing the rules of a ban

and I asked

"ignoring bans, and thinking about role loss instead?" to you saying "i think instead of higher or lower standards, they should just be equal for everyone"

[cursive warren]

i was really not suggesting that though

[formal kettle]

which is why I ASKED

[cursive warren]

why would you even ask if its unrelated to what i said dude

[formal kettle]

higher standards does not exclusively mean you're more likely to be banned
so I was trying to get on the same page as you

as you only said "i think instead of higher or lower standards, they should just be equal for everyone"
which could mean you think roles shouldn't be removed for something that isn't ban worthy

[cursive warren]

actually how

caps

[formal kettle]

???

it is still being held to a higher standard if you are able to lose something, when still not being banned/warned
something such as a role

[cursive warren]

no?

dude

i dont understand what you are attempting to explain

all i said is that roles should be held at the same standards

[cursive warren]

.

probably because you format your text like shakespear

i half understand what you say every time dude

"it is still being held to a higher standard if you are able to lose something, when still not being banned/warned something such as a role"

[formal kettle]

I'll put it in different terms
if you stand to lose something, when someone else wouldn't lose something for the same behavior, you are held to a higher standard, yes?
so, if you stand to lose a role, for something someone without a role wouldn't lose a role for (because they can't) you are held to a higher standard
example:
a labrat does mildly inappropriate things, that don't warrant a ban/warn, but is still not behavior expected for a labrat
that labrat could be removed from the program for that, while a normal player wouldn't get in any trouble
this means the labrat is held to higher standards

and if you still can't understand, I'm just gonna go 💔

[cursive warren]

lemme find a message rq

[cursive warren]

.

[formal kettle]

I can admit I was a little wrong there
I thought you meant stuff like having to actually moderate to keep moderator

[cursive warren]

what i was saying was solely meant to be about bans

[formal kettle]

because of this line right here

[cursive warren]

all i was tryna say is that bans and warns should be equal even with differing roles.

also

i was explicitly stating that i WASNT talking about that multiple times

[formal kettle]

to clarify what my message was, I thought you meant moderators moderating to keep being a moderator was different than a moderator losing the role for doing something wrong

[cursive warren]

oh ok

[formal kettle]

tl;dr mods having to do their job to keep the role is not the same as a mod having to not do bad things to keep the role

[cursive warren]

thats why i was so confused when u kept bringing that up lmao

[formal kettle]

my bad for the confusion though

[cursive warren]

ye its good

w discussion

👍

[slim fern]

How do you tp to top of form

[cursive warren]

the up button

[lusty dew]

Up

[slim fern]

Thats not on mobile

[formal kettle]

trying clicking the very top of your screen

[cursive warren]

oh yeah thats how that workd

s

[slim fern]

Still not working for me

[cursive warren]

the very top?

worked for me

not on any labels

just the exact top of the screen

no button

no click indicators but it worked for me bro

[dry silo]

They literally are not, they say this in the labrat announcement every single time

Lab rats are held to a higher standard

Because lab rats are not just beta testers, but also seen by most people as more trustworthy and sensible

And to be a labrat you must actually be a good player

[modest edge]

the image got cut off
that's annoying

click it to see the full thing

[cursive warren]

notice how that message was before my 220 message conversation where i changed my opinion lmfao

that was 2 days ago bud

[stray sage]

personally I've just been more careful with what i've done since getting Lr, but there is some things that could be worked on. I think trass is aware of the issues and that a part 2 of the moderation update will definitely happen soon.

[modest edge]

yes, i did. i just wanted to show that screenshot since most people were talking about other sources.

[cursive warren]

"most people"

[modest edge]

yes

most people

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"yes"

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ragebait is an interesting conversation starter

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"an"

its not ragebait lmfao

im js kidding around

if you consider that ragebait idk man

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i fully agree btw

not tryna do anything

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yeah fairs

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just jokin around

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damn mb then

thought you were tryna ragebait for a minute lmao

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well

yaknow

typical yeeps mannerisms

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yup

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wowie

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oh damn nearly 5m

i didn't even notice

i haven't seen a jman video on my feed in like 4 months