PvP needs a rebalance/fix!

[flat creek]

There’s really only two types of melee pvp spamming like just moving your hands really fast at the enemy or lunging at them repeatedly it needs a rework

[obsidian lion]

Also most of theses are not main weapons more as support and secondary weapons, they just get spammed and are not balanced

[obsidian lion]

Mostly these weapons effect that

I don’t even want to talk about fire axe

[flat creek]

Yeah it’s bad

Not really bad but needs to change

Make it more cinematic

[daring sleet]

not huge on these rebalances
a way to stop fire could be fine ig, but the rest are simply not good

1. saws are already not too good, they're just decent in some cases, or if you can aim
2. banjos are only good with some combos, otherwise you'll just die
3. bags just shouldn't refund stuffing, but I don't see them banning the item from most maps
4. you already can't shoot tanks/planes while holding them

[upbeat marsh]

pvp is a rather small part of yeeps and is hardly intricate and all these changes really do is make pve more annoying

what i will agree on is that butt-jo damage is absurd but its also Funny and will drain cotton anyways

i think a way you could balance the butt-jo is by making it more fragile like smashing against the floor so if you dodge it they lose that cotton

so its more of a risk/reward tool

btw if you were to balance fire bombs it'd be increasing their stuffing cost as they arent really used for any other utility than combat

not to mention if someone throws a fire bomb at you its fairly easy to just absorb it back and get free cotton

sawblades are also rather complicated to get utility out of and if theres any verticality to the map you can easily avoid them

theyre mainly used for wolf farming anyways

ive also never seen that bundle tech but that sounds more funny than weird

i think the way to resolve that would to be having a limit of 3~5 bundles at a time but idk

ive seen a lot of people stockpile bundles wolf loot for multiple trips to sell

so again that'd be more annoying than anything

i havent played much with tanks and airplanes but i think a good solution would be to allow people to eat rc cars in pvp gamemodes

that way nobody can interfere with them in hangout and in pvp you can properly counter it

[upbeat marsh]

the fire axe is fine btw

if you want to balance fire axe you just need to balance fire and theyre fine

i havent played enough with fire bombs to have an opinion of them but thats how you do it

[upbeat marsh]

also you need a hand free to absorb back the cotton so youre exposed and without a second weapon or tool

[daring sleet]

absurd is a stretch
it does 750, and each banjo costs 500
so they only take 250 more damage than you do

[daring sleet]

it's really overpowered
you can stack as many sacks as you want, then return to eat all of them really easily for 500 stuffing each
worse yet, only you can grab them and they don't despawn

[sonic imp]

Yeeps hide and seek: everyone knows each weapon damage and effect.
Yeeps 2.0: what does more damage? fist or drumstick?

[daring sleet]

drumstick
fists only damage mobs

also they do like 100 damage

[sonic imp]

what about war horn?

[daring sleet]

no damage

despite the name having war in it

[sonic imp]

what about revolver compared to pelet?

[daring sleet]

the revolver does 750 damage

the pellet gun does 250

these are pretty simple

[sonic imp]

ok

what about thrown bullet?

[daring sleet]

0 damage

[sonic imp]

shield?

[daring sleet]

no damage

they removed it a while ago

do you really not know these?

[sonic imp]

nope

does grapple arrow do more damage than arrow?

[daring sleet]

I never tested

but I don't think so

but you can melee with grapple arrows

for some reason...

[sonic imp]

wait what about pins?

do pins do damage?

[upbeat marsh]

dual wield them and 1.5k damage

a few gamemodes have you set at 2k and youll probably take chip damage elsewhere or from making items

[obsidian lion]

My opinion on what you said >:D

1. saws are op in anyway….they mostly get spammed to get a easy kill they don’t really require skill?
2. Banjos are just spammed to kill someone? Most of the time anyway I don’t ever see combos
3. That’s actually a way better fix!
4. People still just re grab them , then spam them again

[obsidian lion]

They’re not your mostly not shooting them up words it’s mostly at someone close range?

[obsidian lion]

Half of the time you can’t even play PvP without having fun

[upbeat marsh]

maybe its just an issue with the only official ffa arena map being pirates cove as its poorly designed with fights dragging out way too long and encourages camping cotton gens with low risk tradeoffs

let alone the ability to vote to respawn while games are still going on

and also the fact that Noooobody plays it

im not claiming that pvp is an absent feature from yeeps or that it shouldnt be considered but its very much more casually designed than balanced

like if you buy a cool weapon youd want to use that cool weapon

[daring sleet]

with just banjos, you can counter them by just... not getting close to them?
same with saws
not to mention, both of those require decent aim
and I don't know what to say about the tanks, I've never seen them spammed before

[obsidian lion]

Most times you can’t get away from someone using banjos and saws

Most people use melee

[daring sleet]

hot cocoa...?

these weapons are really only good in maps like sheriff, where they do way too much damage

[obsidian lion]

For what to get away for 10 seconds?

[daring sleet]

10 seconds to just shoot them
once they get close, you can just run again

[obsidian lion]

Most of the time that won’t work

[daring sleet]

then just use a shield ig

[obsidian lion]

Yeah…

[upbeat marsh]

range isnt really an issue when you can pull out melee weapons at any point or when youre going through tight corridors, cops and robbers being a pretty big example as theres multiple choke points

[upbeat marsh]

nobody is using hot cocoa for combat just say grapplers or sticky impulses

[daring sleet]

?

[upbeat marsh]

sawblades are also really easy to sightread and require pulling the chain to get off

[daring sleet]

most sane people use hot cocoa in pvp

fast, cheap movement + you can unfreeze yourself

[upbeat marsh]

grappling hook works perfectly fine and is far more controllable

and grappling works better when you are frozen

[daring sleet]

not being frozen is better than grappling while you are frozen

[upbeat marsh]

regardless theres a lot of methods to avoid sawblades

[daring sleet]

yup

[upbeat marsh]

and they arent largely a problem its just that they can continuously deal damage in an area if you arent on alert

honestly their best utility is mowing through blocks

theyre Reaaaally good for that

[jovial hinge]

where are shields on this list?

its like the number one thing that ruins pvp

[obsidian lion]

Shields are balanced and are no spammed or op in anyway

[daring sleet]

Use coco guys

[jovial hinge]

the rng really makes them annoying, and it slows down fights and makes them really boring

saw blades do need a nerf tho

100 cotton per shot for a 750 dmg projectile with a massive hit box

and it has crazy tech with it too

[daring sleet]

but you have to actually aim to use it, and if you aren't close you'll just miss

I'd say that's fair

[jovial hinge]

most people fight up close

just aim well and it cooks

[cloud plover]

Late topic but how could a hot cocoa help you get away from banjos and saws? I only see them for countering ice effect

[obsidian lion]

Time out finally went bye

Now I can yap

[daring sleet]

@cloud plover

[cloud plover]

Oh

[obsidian lion]

I’m going to be honest with you I’ve never seen someone use saw blade flaw away or up it’s always when there in your face and they just spam it since it’s spam able

[daring sleet]

same with fireburst

500 stuffing, and it lasts long enough to kill someone at full health

[obsidian lion]

Shields are annoying some times! But they do actually make a fight fare and fun

[jovial hinge]

you have to use it over and over again and its way easier to dodge

[daring sleet]

no they don't 🥀

[jovial hinge]

not fun at all lol

[obsidian lion]

I….

I just give up at this point

[daring sleet]

I mean, yeah
but saws are only hard to dodge at 2 blocks away

[obsidian lion]

Just let stuff stay op and spam able, shields are not that big of a issue

[jovial hinge]

well how are you going to get in with a melee weapon?

[obsidian lion]

If you think shields are op well…

[daring sleet]

shields are a HUGE issue
you can literally just eat them every 2 hits to not lose them

[daring sleet]

don't

[obsidian lion]

I’ve never seen someone do that

Like NEVER

[daring sleet]

just use a sniper or even pellet gun

[daring sleet]

I figured it out the day they made the change

[obsidian lion]

You did.

[daring sleet]

I saw someone TELLING others to do the same thing

[obsidian lion]

-_-

Shields are not a issue in MY opinion

They seem balanced in PvP FOR me anyway

[jovial hinge]

exactly, so if ur running with melee, ur not getting close, so it completely destroys melee fighter

[obsidian lion]

Also stop dissing my sniper

It cooks

[haughty summit]

i barley play pvp but when i occasionally do they are horrible to play against

[daring sleet]

that's true, it does counter melee
but like, saws are also countered

[obsidian lion]

Not really

[daring sleet]

you just counter the counter

[obsidian lion]

You can’t counter saws

[jovial hinge]

range

[daring sleet]

just don't get close to them

[jovial hinge]

still though

enperry on top

[daring sleet]

so are we going to all forget freeze gloves?

[obsidian lion]

In most fights you are not fighting from far

Guys understand that your fighting with melee

In most fights

And the PvP maps are small

[daring sleet]

I mean, you can fight from afar in:
boat bombardment
the ffa map
outlaw

that's most of the pvp maps

[jovial hinge]

freeze gloves has made coco or portal balls required for a fight lol

[obsidian lion]

FFA not really

[jovial hinge]

but yea they are very good

[obsidian lion]

Goblin war to

Buzz saw and fireburst is one example