Make griefing in dungeons bannable

[orchid isle]

It’s so annoying 🧀🧀🧀

[queen beacon]

you can just abuse the stop rule

thats what everyone does

[orchid isle]

I know but it’s annoying when they do it at the end after hard work

[spice pond]

No

[orchid isle]

Why

[spice pond]

Just say stop

[orchid isle]

You don’t know if someone is going to grief you, you can do it if they do it multiple times

[torpid geyser]

That would be considered harassment

If you said stop

[verbal ermine]

Two words: Private servers

[orchid isle]

You have to say it twice for it to be bannable

[torpid geyser]

Ya

[dusky violet]

back in my day real griefing was just in wilds

[tacit iris]

Back in my day you would see un greifed sky bases

[dusky violet]

damn you’ve been playing longer than me then when’d you join? alpha?

[tacit iris]

No

[tacit iris]

My lobbies were just nice I joined in grapple update

[dusky violet]

i joined in the launch update

[tacit iris]

Cool

[dusky violet]

yk what’s sad that’s happened in recent times

[tacit iris]

I made a sky base in build central and it got greifed immediately

[dusky violet]

it’s not nessesarily a bad thing but it’s all the little kids in yeeps yk like the ones who make it hard to do litterally anytgin

[tacit iris]

Fr every lobby I go to they all say “hey Labrat hey Labrat” it’s so annoying

[hollow thistle]

its called harresment

😄

[dull basalt]

seeing as dungeons are a collaborative effort, griefing should 100% be punishable in dungeons
there's no reason to do it besides to just be annoying, and I'm not quite sure why everyone is against this

[coarse tusk]

Just get better

[orchid isle]

Seriously

It’s kinda hard when someone hits you with a butt-Jo into the depths of the underworld

[coarse tusk]

Join a private code

[prime crane]

Private code

[orchid isle]

If you don’t have a lot of friends it’s hard

[stone vault]

This already is a banable offense (technically) Just follow the harassment guidelines and record evidence of the rule being broken along with their username then report them at #🚨・game-reports It’s that easy!

[misty brook]

I hate the fact that everyone is against this suggestion like people are saying to allow griefing

[fickle ivy]

i see your point

[dusky violet]

allow griefing in non wilds because true griefing is just in creative mode a child getting sad over getting hit into the spikes isn’t real griefing

[dense void]

Ngl duh is right. It is truly annoying and the greifers never stop anyway.

Even if you say stop it doesn't matter

They will still greif

[flint charm]

this has never been confirmed

[orchid isle]

It has

Well

It’s any time over once

[plush pilot]

Just ask them to stop?

[dull basalt]

I just want to bring this down here

the same "just ask them to stop!" reasoning could apply to griefing in creative mode
should we just allow that, and then tell people to stop griefing when they do?

[flint charm]

rulebreaks are rulebreaks regardless of telling them to stop

the stop is just a warning

you could technically report without telling them to stop

the stop is just more of a reason to ban someone, since it proves knowing something wasnt allowed

but if youre harassing someone, theres no reason that they cant just immediately report you

[fickle ivy]

thats all you had to do? always has been.

[orchid isle]

How has 30 people gone “hey griefing shouldn’t be punishable”

[flint charm]

that rule is dumb and im not adhering to it

[candid bay]

Why do you hate me

[flint charm]

say whatever you want about moderators, but if the point of the stop rule is done, no need to do it

[flint charm]

i hate the stop rule not you

[flint charm]

the point of it is to prove the person knows theyre breaking a rule and does it anyways

if they say "i love griefing" or "oops" (in a sarcastic tone), it works just as well as saying stop

as it also shows that they know full well what theyre doing

which is the point of the stop rule

so if that condition is met anyways, you can still report them

[candid bay]

... Then go to a private with your friends?

[flint charm]

hasnt this exact reason been told before

also, lets make griefing in public wilds allowed then

just go to a private

people also might not have friends, at least ones that play yeeps and are on at the time

the point of dungeons is to build community more than anything really, so if you have to go into a private to be safe from griefing, youre defeating the purpose of them

[flint charm]

^

[candid bay]

Why do you disagree with everything I say

[flint charm]

you just so happen to keep saying stuff i disagree with

im not like seeking you out or anything

[candid bay]

I wouldn't say we are trying to promote griefing, but mostly prove to the original poster that this is technically already a punishable offense if they say stop.

[queen stream]

You cant say stop if you don't know that they're gonna do it

[candid bay]

If you say stop while they're doing it though...

[queen stream]

That too late your most likely already dead

[toxic crest]

I like this idea

Suggestion

[candid quiver]

yea
Theres no point in doing it in dungeons at all, soooo

[flint charm]

its a punishable offense if you can prove they didnt just accidentally grab the block

not if you say stop

as ive said, the point of the stop rule is to get proof of intent

if you can get it in another way, no need to say stop

[fickle ivy]

honestly just ban every item except for pillows, that way in a section where you have to fight bugs they can have a dispenser giving you flyswatters or bats, that way at the end of lost frog kingdom before the bug queen, it doesn't matter if you get griefed.

[nova peak]

it's a part of the dungeon and (hot take) makes it more fun (not talking about when you're the one griefing). so many people have said to just say stop, and im one of them.

[inner venture]

What do you mean by private servers

[solid sand]

Do the dungeons in private servers, problem solved

[solid sand]

Do it alone

[inner venture]

How do you get to private servers

[candid bay]

Private world

[solid sand]

Go to your private world, and look to your right. Then, type in a code

[candid bay]

Or go to build central and look around

[orchid isle]

The boss is hard enough to do with a full lobby

[solid sand]

Use missiles

The boss take 20 mins max

[orchid isle]

Still

The dungeons are better to do with multiple people

[solid sand]

Then don't do them

[orchid isle]

It was made to be done by multiple people helping each other

[orchid isle]

They’re fun to do with other people tho

[solid sand]

Then get people that you can trust

[prime marsh]

Just go to a private server

[solid sand]

EXACTLY

[orchid isle]

How are people defending griefers

Even if I had friends and did it, that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be punishable

[crimson vortex]

why are you here

[dusky violet]

because i feel like the only real “greifing” is that in any Creative mode lobby such as wilds privates and CW,s

these newgen s getting too soft

[orchid isle]

Griefing doesn’t just refer to destroying builds

Also I’ve been playing since around the snow update

[dusky violet]

then what does it refer too hm?

[dusky violet]

been playing since launch here 1.0 launch

[orchid isle]

That doesn’t mean I’m a new gen

[orchid isle]

Hm?

What about this buddy

[dusky violet]

i never said you were new gen i just happened to say “these newgen s getting too soft” after my friend bug terra asked me why i was in here

[dusky violet]

this just describes harrassment

[orchid isle]

Sry, misunderstood

[orchid isle]

…

[dusky violet]

what?

[orchid isle]

That’s the meaning for griefing

[dusky violet]

hmm alright

[orchid isle]

It can be harassment, but that’s also griefing

[sullen grove]

Yes! Awsome idea

just came here to tell u that

bye

[prime crane]

Griefing is the act of making everyone not enjoy a game. If friendly fire is on in a first person shooter and someone kills many teammates then that counts as griefing. It makes the game not enjoyable for everyone or a group of people. It’s basically harassment but towards multiple people.

[dusky violet]

your kinda a day late someone already explained it

doing that
it’s like sticking a fork in an outlet that already has a fork in it

[prime crane]

Ok? And?

[inner venture]

Agreed just go into a private server I do that to progress through my cooking achievement

[orchid isle]

It’s more fun to do with others, it’s hard to do in private codes if your like me and don’t have friends

[toxic crest]

From what I was reading it in this wall of text

I should grief

I'm going to grief every server I'm in

[ionic warren]

this

[fleet spoke]

l take never speak again /j

[orchid isle]

They had a take on the logic somebody else was using

[manic hornet]

This isn’t really a suggestion

[orchid isle]

It is, griefing in dungeons isn’t bannable,but it should

[manic hornet]

But all u put was that it should be bannable and it’s annoying it’s not really a suggestion for. The game it’s mainly for the rule and u just saying it’s annoying is ur opinion Wich I get that but we are allowed to grief in play mode

[fleet spoke]

this is

[orchid isle]

I don’t mean build griefing

[flint charm]

youre allowed to grief for actual gameplay advantage, not to troll

you can "grief" skybases in hide and seek

you cant grief other players in a co-op dungeon gamemode

[nova peak]

just no.

[dull basalt]

out of curiosity, do y'all saying 'no' think griefing should be allowed in creative mode?
there is quite literally ZERO reason to grief in a dungeon, other than just being annoying
arguably, because someone's intentions when doing something like this is just to troll, you could already report someone for griefing in a dungeon, this rule would just make it clearer to players and moderators that it isn't allowed

[nova peak]

no, we're talking about hitting people off in dungeons, not creative mode

[dull basalt]

not just hitting people off, but destroying blocks as well
why SHOULD that be allowed

[nova peak]

because it's in play mode, and it's two core features of the game

in my opinion at least

[dull basalt]

...

how does play mode make it better

[nova peak]

destroying someone's build in creative mode would be bannable

[dull basalt]

what an arbitrary thing to pick

[nova peak]

whereas it's okay in play mode

[dull basalt]

but WHY should it banned in creative, then okay in playmode (for dungeons specifically)

[nova peak]

it's in the rules to "build and destroy pillow forts" dungeons, in my opinion, wouldn't be as fun if people didn't do that

[dull basalt]

originally, griefing was okay because you were destroying stuff to win
then with creative, griefing was not okay because there was no reason to do it
here, there's no reason to do it

[nova peak]

i still don't think this should be banned

i have my opinion

you have yours

[dull basalt]

but explain why dude
you're just saying "it's play mode!"

that literally makes no sense

[nova peak]

destroying pillows in play mode is encouraged

there

explanation

please stop arguing with me.

[dull basalt]

that's not a very good explanation dude
it just isn't encouraged...

[nova peak]

"build pillow forts and destroy them"

anyway

im going to do something productive ig

bye

[dull basalt]

yet players get banned for griefing in play mode all the time...

[nova peak]

because they didn't listen when people asked them to stop

anyway

as I said

im going

bye

have a good day

[dull basalt]

you could've already left

I haven't been pinging you

if someone can have an actual reason to not like this, please explain
but all y'all have to say is "well it's in playmode, so it's okay!"

which is rather similar to the reason people have when getting banned for griefing pillows in creative, that being "well they're pillowed, you're meant to destroy them"
and specifically during the chainsaw lab, the reason people gave to why they were griefing random builds with the chainsaw "that's what you're meant to do with it"

none of those are real points, it's just that this time, it's more vague if you're in the wrong when you're griefing
a rule for this clears that up, makes dungeons more fun in public lobbies, and stops annoying people from being annoying (most of the time)

hell instead of making griefing banned in dungeons, they could just implement a sign the indicates you are NOT allowed to grief in a map, so instead of it HAVING to be in creative to stop griefing from being allowed in any map, players and devs could set maps as places to build in playmode

[astral elk]

Like i had this lr in the ruby battle he completed the thing then he went in there alone and i died

[cinder jackal]

Just ask people not to do it before anything happens. Better safe than sorry. Or just go in a private server, it’s easier to handle things that way. (At least for me.) It’s also more enjoyable because you actually get to solve the puzzles yourself.

[orchid isle]

With their logic, griefing should be allowed in public wilds, you can just go in your private

[orchid isle]

I’m not talking about build griefing

[nova peak]

you specified "griefing in dungeons"

that could be hitting people or destroying their platforms

[dull basalt]

(I was, but we can ignore that)

[orchid isle]

I mean hitting people in to pits of spikes

[nova peak]

there's nothing saying you're not allowed to

[orchid isle]

I know, atleast your not defending griefers

[dull basalt]

which is why they suggested this rule

[nova peak]

yea

[orchid isle]

Bro what the heck does that even mean

[nova peak]

there's nothing saying you can't hit people

[dull basalt]

also yeah, basically

[orchid isle]

I mean to purposely making them restart

[nova peak]

going in grabbing your loot and immediately leaving would make things boring

in my opinion

griefing is part of the game

[dull basalt]

so you like toxic players and griefing because it adds stakes

okay

what a horrible take

[nova peak]

not necessarily

but okay

[dull basalt]

"building in peace is boring, we should make griefing in wilds allowed!"

[nova peak]

i never said that

is this bait

[dull basalt]

no, it isn't
you just implied griefers make the game more fun

[nova peak]

that's my opinion

in terms of playing a dungeon

not everywhere

[dull basalt]

and in my opinion, people being toxic for no reason make the game less fun

[nova peak]

okay

like I said earlier
i have my opinion
you have yours

it's pointless arguing over them

[orchid isle]

It isn’t fun to finally get past the glass bridge thingy,then almost finish the blindness curse done then somebody hits you into a wall, and you have to restart

[nova peak]

that's my opinion

[dull basalt]

have your opinion for sure, but I'd imagine most people don't like that

[nova peak]

okay

[dull basalt]

and that the devs would want less toxic players

and to discourage that behavior

[orchid isle]

Then say “in my opinion” when you don’t say that, you practically say a false statement

[nova peak]

i did say in my opinion

but sure

[orchid isle]

the devs WOULDNT want to encourage this behavior, a way to discourage it would be making it bannable

[nova peak]

i don't see why you're getting mad at me for having an opinion

it doesn't affect you whatsoever

[dull basalt]

0/10 ragebait

[nova peak]

it's just the truth but alr

[orchid isle]

I’m not mad, if it was bannable, you can just… you know, not report them, you should but you don’t really have to

[dull basalt]

"imo, there should be no rules and we should be able to do whatever we want"

🥀

[nova peak]

2/10 ragebait

hm

actually

[barren furnace]

Yo axolotl I wanna tell you something

[nova peak]

maybe 3

not sure

[barren furnace]

Horse.

[dull basalt]

thank you

[nova peak]

"oh gosh, this person has an opinion! let's completely rip what they say out of context to make them look like a bad person"

anyway

[barren furnace]

[nova peak]

im going to do something more productive again

bye

[dull basalt]

your opinion is actually that toxic players shouldn't be punished...

just because they're only being toxic in dungeons doesn't make them not toxic

[orchid isle]

“IMO griefing should be allowed in public wilds because you can just go to your private world, not knowing if your build will stay on the map or get hit with 14 orbital lasers makes building more fun”

[nova peak]

it's not necessarily toxic

[dull basalt]

ruining everyone else's progress for no reason is actually pretty toxic

[nova peak]

i don't agree

but if you think that that's okay

i can see why you'd think that

[dull basalt]

"I don't agree that hitting somone hurts them"

[nova peak]

bait

[dull basalt]

it really isn't

[nova peak]

anyway now that I've identified it, there's no point in continuing.

please stop, thanks.

[dull basalt]

you just said killing people for no reason but to annoy them isn't toxic

it just is

[nova peak]

stop.

[dull basalt]

don't tell me to stop talking

[orchid isle]

“ I don’t agree that getting constantly griefed without punishment would make players quit”🥀

[dull basalt]

you can leave

I haven't pinged you

[nova peak]

you can talk, id just rather you didn't talk to me.

[dull basalt]

I can say what I want to

[nova peak]

then don't say it to me

please stop

thanks

[dull basalt]

then don't listen

pretty simple

[whole juniper]

😮

[orchid isle]

I just realized that axolotl is defending my post, something like this wounds have happened a month or 2 ago

[nova peak]

in game, if someone tells you to stop, and you don't, it's considered harassment. in rule 3 it tells you not to harass people. so please stop.

[dull basalt]

you can't say stop to literally anything to make it harassment

[nova peak]

i feel like constantly trying to argue with me when I don't want to definitely seems like it

[dull basalt]

it ain't like I'm following you to keep you here

you can just leave

[nova peak]

i mean you're telling me to leave but you keep talking to me

[dull basalt]

YOU want to leave

[nova peak]

like if you want me to leave just stop so we can end this argument

[dull basalt]

"don't talk to me"
"okay, I'm still gonna say what I want to"
"stop harassing me!!"

🥀

[nova peak]

stop

it really isn't that hard

[dull basalt]

just turn off your phone if you don't want to talk to me

simplest thing in the world

[nova peak]

maybe im like on my phone

[dull basalt]

only thing keeping you here is yourself

[elder quartz]

I'm shocked to see you being rude

[dull basalt]

that's not rude

😭

[elder quartz]

He gave you many chances to stop

and you did not

[orchid isle]

He’s stating something 🥀

[dull basalt]

stop talking??

not sure he's allowed to just tell someone to stop talking to make them stop

[nova peak]

.

[elder quartz]

Stating and arguing are not the same. Respect everyone's boundaries

[nova peak]

thanks mop.

[orchid isle]

He said that because it is true, if Jacob the yeep wanted him to truly stop, he could block axolotl and unfollow the post🥀

He can leave the forum, but he decided to come back

[elder quartz]

he was in fact asking them to stop

[orchid isle]

Ok..

[dull basalt]

can you elaborate on how that was harassment?

[elder quartz]

They asked you to stop and you continued trying to make your point. Then you decided to mock them.

[dull basalt]

so could I ask someone to stop doing anything, and they cannot do that anymore?

[elder quartz]

Depends if it has anything to directly do with the user's actions and or feelings

Please stop trying to cause an argument

[orchid isle]

“Stop asking me to stop” goes harrrrrrdddd🦅 🦅 🦅

[elder quartz]

[flint charm]

you probably shouldve stopped, but jacob basically saying "im right so you cant talk anymore" is a little odd

[dull basalt]

I'm not trying to cause an argument, I'm trying to learn the rules better

we can talk about this privately if you want

[elder quartz]

Well then, if you're replying to someone in a chain and they ask you to stop talking to them or replying to them it's best to leave it otherwise it can cause arguments and upset. As I have stated earlier, it also does depend if it has to do with the user's feeling or actions. However, this would not apply if they were to do the same to you.

tldr; someone says stop you stop

[dull basalt]

so if someone tells me to stop doing something, they are completely allowed to do the same thing to me, unless I asked them to stop doing that same thing?

[elder quartz]

Did you read my text or just the tldr?

[dull basalt]

both

"this would not apply if they were to do the same to you"

unless I'm misunderstanding

[elder quartz]

As I stated in the last sentence you do not have to stop if they do the same to you. Something I have missed is that if it's causing an argument you have to stop to avoid a punishment

[flint charm]

if someone says stop and theyre not clearly abusing it and not actually mad, then you stop
is what im getting from this

[orchid isle]

My beautiful nerd

[dull basalt]

that's what you meant, okay

[stable pine]

this entire “stop rule” makes no sense

[flint charm]

yea

its too loose to not get abused constantly

[elder quartz]

No, people just ignore people asking other users to stop

[prime crane]

Yes bro

[flint charm]

thats more so ingame

[dull basalt]

but then doesn't that mean jacob should've also left sooner?

[flint charm]

on discord its more reasonable

[elder quartz]

Not really

[orchid isle]

Can you ask someone to stop asking you to stop

[flint charm]

but ingame, the stop rule is so loose that its incredibly abusable

[stable pine]

lol

[prime crane]

I hit a person once they say stop 3x and report me

[flint charm]

the stop rule isnt really a rule though

[stable pine]

yup

happened to me

I look at them once I get reported

[elder quartz]

I'll be back someone ion general needs me sorry

[prime crane]

Yes it’s very annoying

[dull basalt]

alright

[flint charm]

its more a method to strengthen a report

a rulebreak is a rulebreak regardless of saying stop

[dull basalt]

out of curiousity, why'd y'all all appear at the same time??

[prime crane]

But it’s constantly abused

[flint charm]

and a non-rulebreak isnt a rulebreak regardless of saying stop

[prime crane]

I’ve been watching the argument for a while

[flint charm]

saying stop changes nothing about how allowed something is

[prime crane]

Well not argument

[elder quartz]

I am back

[prime crane]

More like back and forth questions

[flint charm]

it can just strengthen your report against someone cause it proves that they know theyre wrong

[orchid isle]

Can you answer my question

[elder quartz]

And for everyone curious on the stop rule I have explained it upwards a bit

[flint charm]

stop rule is actually a rule in discord tho

[prime crane]

Can you reply to where pls?

[elder quartz]

So if someone is asking you to stop you cannot ask them to stop asking you to stop

[dull basalt]

.

[elder quartz]

that's a mouthful

[prime crane]

Thanks

[orchid isle]

Ok

[prime crane]

Samich

[dull basalt]

there's a lobster soul in there

[prime crane]

Yep

[stable pine]

gg

[prime crane]

And a bird from the window

[dull basalt]

but I'm still thinking about this
jacob was also engaged and could've left, but because he was saying "stop" he was allowed to talk?
that doesn't really sound fair

[stable pine]

he could’ve just left

he literally kept going

🥀

[dull basalt]

it was causing an argument, so he should've left the conversation, no?
would we not equally be in the wrong?

[flint charm]

yea

the thing is like

if youre in general

i get saying stop

but youre in a single suggestion thread

talking to one specific person

[stable pine]

Yea

[flint charm]

leaving does the same thing as saying stop

and is easier

[prime crane]

Tbh he could have also left but decided to argue, but from another point of view you could’ve left to sooo.

[stable pine]

Hm.

[dull basalt]

so equally in the wrong
either of us could've left, neither of us did

[prime crane]

Yeah basically.

Gotta look at it from both peoples point of view

[stable pine]

Wait

Mini gamer

U have peak?

[prime crane]

Yeah

[stable pine]

can u play with me and Ranger in suggestion server

[prime crane]

Yeah I could probably

But dont ping me at 10:00 pm at night

Im sleeping

I like my sleep

[nova peak]

. . . ?

[flint charm]

you claimed that axolotl was ragebaiting or something, and then said "since youre ragebaiting, stop talking"

[nova peak]

no?

[flint charm]

you couldve just left, this isnt #💬・general where you could actually be talking to other people

axolotl was the only person talking in here

[nova peak]

not when the other person was pinging me

[flint charm]

?

[nova peak]

the other person, not axolotl

axolotl wasn't pinging

[flint charm]

ah

[nova peak]

i would've just left to be honest

[flint charm]

why were you telling axolotl to stop though

what did axolotl do other than disagree with what you were saying

[nova peak]

cause i didn't really want to argue with them

it's just pointless

[flint charm]

then say that?

[nova peak]

i did

i think

[flint charm]

you said to stop

not why

[nova peak]

before that

i said something like arguing about opinions is pointless

[flint charm]

clearly wasnt close enough to you telling axolotl to stop for it to be clear that thats why

[nova peak]

i don't really need a reason to say stop though..

if i don't wanna argue with someone then ill just tell them to stop

[flint charm]

in a suggestion where the point is to figure out if its a good idea or not? yea

you kinda do

because the whole point of this being a forum is to discuss the suggestion

[nova peak]

i need a reason to stop arguing with someone?

[nova peak]

yeah discuss, but not argue about it

[flint charm]

in a suggestion where it seems like youre just saying that because the other person disagrees with you, you should say why

because thats what it seemed like

i understand not wanting to argue

[nova peak]

disagreements and arguments are different, but okay....

[flint charm]

but when it sounds like youre saying it for the sake of the other person disagreeing with you, its a good idea to clear up that thats not why

[nova peak]

i feel like it was pretty clear i said it to stop arguing with them..

i just realised we're arguing about the way someone said stop 😭

[flint charm]

yes

saying stop to not argue is fine

[nova peak]

that's how i said it

[flint charm]

but you dont want people thinking youre saying it because you dont like people saying youre wrong

thats kinda what im trying to say i think

i dont even know what im on about atp

[flint charm]

tbh i still actually dont know what you meant when you said it

[nova peak]

yeah no, i understand what you're saying. it's my fault if it was unclear how i said stop

[flint charm]

what did this mean

[nova peak]

i said stop because i didn't like arguing with them and didn't want to.

[flint charm]

yea

but like what does "now that ive identified it" mean

[nova peak]

like ive realised they were ragebaiting so there was no point in them continuing it

that's what i tried to say

[flint charm]

i think axolotl just actually thought you were wrong

[nova peak]

the mocking whilst ripping it out of context did make it seem like ragebait

imo

[flint charm]

isnt that the definition of satire?

like im being serious

im pretty sure thats what satire is

[nova peak]

ive heard the word satire like once

[flint charm]

being satirical is kinda a form of ragebait tho

"Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose human foolishness or vice"

basically a method to show that the other persons argument makes no sense

[nova peak]

yea

[flint charm]

not sure what axolotl even meant by it actually

[nova peak]

it was either to ragebait or prove a point that made no sense

i think

anyway i gtg walk my dog

have a great day

[queen beacon]

w

[flint charm]

L

cats > dogs

[flint charm]

thats an impulse

aint gonna do nothing

[nova peak]

i didn't make the gif

how many hours would u guess the gif maker has

[flint charm]

i do think that saying that griefing in dungeons shouldnt be bannable is a little absurd tho

[nova peak]

yo bro im gonna impulse your pillow fort

[flint charm]

as axolotl said, "griefing" is allowed in play mode for actual gameplay advantage

given that you gain nothing by griefing in dungeons, its the same idea as not being allowed in creative

[nova peak]

trass could do something about it, yeah, but i feel like making it bannable would cause other problems

there could be other ways to stop it

[flint charm]

i dont think it should outright be bannable per se

but it is harassment already

[nova peak]

well

if you say stop

[flint charm]

because of accidents

[flint charm]

the stop rule isnt really a "rule"

[nova peak]

3 times rule isnt

[flint charm]

i think its more so meant to give them proof of the person knowing that what theyre doing isnt allowed

[nova peak]

but saying stop is 95% of harassment cases

[flint charm]

if they show that in another way, no need to say stop

and, regardless of saying stop, rulebreaks are rulebreaks, and non-rulebreaks still arent

[nova peak]

yea

[flint charm]

it just strengthens a report by proving they knew it wasnt allowed

thats why most harassment cases include someone saying stop

because its effectively a modifier to a report, not the content of the report

its like a spice for reports

[nova peak]

basically

[flint charm]

i just get annoyed whenever someone mentions it

because its so unclear

[nova peak]

yea

[flint charm]

and it feels like a cop-out for new rules

"well, technically, everything is bannable if you say stop, so no new rules will ever be added"

thats what almost everyone in the post is X'ing it for

and its so dumb

griefing is harassment, but not because of the stop rule

[nova peak]

"stop talking on discord or im reporting you!"

it feels like we're agreeing but also making completely different points here

that's weird lol

[flint charm]

well i mean

im going against everything that you said earlier

but all of that was basically just said incorrectly

[nova peak]

what did i say earlier i kinda forgot...

[flint charm]

and you actually have the same opinion as me

[nova peak]

yea

[flint charm]

albeit you think this shouldnt be added for a somewhat different reason

i just think this would be too strict, and its already covered by harassment anyways

[nova peak]

exactlyyyyy

[flint charm]

you brought up stop rule though

which is why it feels different

because i vehemently hate stop rule with my entire body mind and soul

[nova peak]

harassment is recognised as the stop rule for most of the community, so i brought that up to make my point more understandable

[flint charm]

it really is just harassment though

[nova peak]

pretty much yeah