Ban umbrellas from spleef (I made this bc of another suggestion)

[inner obsidian]

Umbrellas in spleef are just insanely annoying. They tank everything, and basically cost no cotton (due to the matter of just eating them again), and if paired with the right item, can make you invincible. (Ex: Fireburst and umbrella)

The suggestion I got it off from:

https://discord.com/channels/1197017602292207666/1407175850381541408

[summer heath]

It’s fine

The more gadgets the more fun it is

[inner obsidian]

That’s the point of free play.

Free play allows everything, while standard restricts the insanely easy items.

I’m saying to add umbrellas to the item restricter in standard.

[misty egret]

are you playing in the weekly throw back or the official CW? Because in the CW there are 3 variations, one with everything allowed, one most allowed, and one practically nothing

[inner obsidian]

Community world

[inner obsidian]

That’s what I mean. In standard, umbrellas aren’t banned. But if I try hardcore, then it just isn’t fun

[kind veldt]

Umbrellas cannot increase altitude in any way. They only delay your fall.
This sounds more like you're upset with the fireburst?

[median lantern]

completely agree with this.

[median lantern]

their point is that you can just glide back if you're knocked off with no cons, since it slows your fall.

[inner obsidian]

Exactly, dude even the confetti guns only knock them down like 5 blocks

And don’t even get me started with how many spike glitches it has

[inner obsidian]

Firebursts themselves are completely fine, I can counter them easily. It’s umbrellas though that make it 100 times worse.

[inner obsidian]

i have to wait like 10 hours for them to finally let go of the umbrella man

[median lantern]

fr

[fleet gull]

no, as a comp spleef player, I can say that they are not that hard to kill, especially if there are no blocks on the spikes

[inner obsidian]

so am i.

[fleet gull]

what's your combo?

[inner obsidian]

ok, situation: umbrella, ice ball, and pellet gun

or actually, no ice ball

[inner obsidian]

also, in order, its: Buttjo, bat, block, pellet gun

[fleet gull]

ah four bubbles

[inner obsidian]

the only way u kill them is when they are off guard

[fleet gull]

use buttjos or pellet guns to hit them down

not that hard

[inner obsidian]

when their holding the umbrella?

[fleet gull]

yes it can push them down which gives them a lower chance of getting back up

[inner obsidian]

it only pushes them like 3 blocks bro

wait

whats your combo

mind me asking

[fleet gull]

bat + party gun or stbomb + reinforced 2x2 block

[inner obsidian]

nice

but still

in a actual 1v1, your not killing them

it would be near impossible if they had the correct items with the umbrella

[fleet gull]

it's the same thing with other items, the main point of winning fights is draining the other persons cotton until they can't recover

it has its counters

[inner obsidian]

thats the thing

the umbrella can be eaten

taking that in example, if also using a fireburst, they would only lose 500 cotton

and they would be fine

[fleet gull]

500 cotton is 1/10 of a persons cotton, do it ten times in a row and you win

without them healing

[inner obsidian]

thats near impossible

and if their good at eating, it is impossible

it would literally just be a cycle

[fleet gull]

nothing is impossible

there is always a chance

[inner obsidian]

that chance possibly taking over an hour

[fleet gull]

anything to win

but seriously, removing umbrellas might make a standard of removing recovery items which I don't like

idk tho

I just hate removing items from maps 😭

[inner obsidian]

theres only 3 things removed

im suggesting it due to it, unfortunately, being insanely no skill

like potentially even worse than grapplers

thats saying something

anyways, im prob abt to get on spleef

[fleet gull]

invite me plz

im bored

[kind veldt]

The umbrella takes 3-5 blocks of plummeting before it activates. So if you're knocked off from platform height, you'll be beneath said platform before your umbrella activates.
I'd still hold that umbrellas themselves aren't problematic, but being joined with other gadgets can definitely make them troublesome.

[median lantern]

umbrella + pellet gun = invincibility
banned umbrella + pellet gun = problem solved

[kind veldt]

Are you meaning using the pellet gun to gain altitude?

[median lantern]

yeah

[fleet gull]

you could say the same thing with snow balls + pellet guns, or any combo with the party guns

[median lantern]

yeah basically

a lot of stuff should get banned in regular spleef tbh

[kind veldt]

If at any point you gain altitude, your umbrella is immediately disabled so in order to gain altitude the item in question must elevate you higher than the fall needed to re-activate the umbrella. I've never messed with pellet guns, but are they really strong enough to propel you over the a required amount of blocks?

[median lantern]

yeah they can easily get u back up

if you double shoot

which is really really easy

[kind veldt]

Honestly, I see so many suggestions talking about banning umbrellas from gamemodes. It'd be easier just to give umbrella's the same nerf that grapplers do, where getting hit disables them for 3 seconds.

[median lantern]

actually yeah

that's a really smart idea

you should make a suggestion about that

trust

well

maybe have it as a rule block

[kind veldt]

In thoughts towards the folks upset with umbrellas being used in goblin mode, this could make the bazooka a hard counter to umbrellas

[median lantern]

yeah

the only thing is ping making it extremely difficult to hit shots

from far away

but the devs can't really do much about ping tbh

[true nacelle]

🤢 confetti gun
And op thinks umbrellas are bad, confetti allows recovery from anywhere for a slightly higher cost

[fleet gull]

yeah, that's the meta

what point are you trying to make?

[true nacelle]

Thought it was obvious
I’ve just always been against confetti since they’re objectively op

[fleet gull]

ah yes, be against a fun weapon

[true nacelle]

As “fun” as winning any interaction by having them in your hotbar is, sure. I’d rather actually play the game

[fleet gull]

what are you talking about? Party guns take skill to use well, 700 cotton per boast is not that forgiving especially if you get hit off more than once. Also, the spike strat is also difficult to do so idk what you are talking about

[true nacelle]

Pointing them down and shooting with the opposite hand isn’t hard at all tbh, but you’re right, they are hard to kill with. Unfortunately, other gadgets exist!
By “winning any interaction” I meant not dying btw

Didn’t think ‘immortality for the low, low cost of 700 stuffing per boost isn’t fair’ was that controversial of an opinion

[sharp lynx]

instakills take skill to survive no matter what item you're using, its just that confetti guns take less skill than say snowflake

[sharp lynx]

unbrellas and slowfall potion

[inner obsidian]

I hate those

[true nacelle]

That is basically solidifying my point that confetti guns are probably too good?
They banned the firework for yeeps sake, and basically everything is better than them now!
darn I’m getting all the fights today

[inner obsidian]

wait, mind me asking of course, what your combo

[inner obsidian]

if thats ok

[true nacelle]

I swap it a lot during play, but usually some kind of bomb, pellet gun, and ice ball