Immunity at cotton dispensers

[obsidian pelican]

maybe you also cant hit other players and it only gives immune for 2 seconds on the machine and has a 20 sec cooldown

[terse sand]

and you know that’d make it so much better so that if you’re low on cotton you have a chance to get back in the game instead of being camp killed unfairly

I like the way you think

[slender orchid]

No maybe just move the Cotten machines this is to op no ❌

[terse sand]

That makes barely any difference. People would just camp there and kill players in a different spot

[obsidian pelican]

I dont see how this is "op"

[terse sand]

Also it’s only 2 sec

And he added cooldown which adds balance

So you can’t always be using the machine

[slender orchid]

Ok maybe just don’t use the machines they aren’t meant to be the main thing you use you are meant to fight more than heal

[slender orchid]

Yes but still it seems unnecessary to me

[terse sand]

That’s why he said 20 sec cd maybe you should read before trying to be rude to someone

[terse sand]

Dude it’s a whole 20 seconds it literally adds to your point of fighting more than healing

[slender orchid]

1 not trying to be rude 2 it isn’t that I didn’t read it I did it’s just it seems unnecessary

[slender orchid]

I hardly heal and can win plus it really isn’t that hard not to heal. Not trying to say get good but really I don’t think it’s very hard even now

How is that relevant also how is that phrase rude?

[round turtle]

Dont becose that for healing and if you can win just be healing it Will be not cool becose its a cooldown to win so people can win like that

[terse sand]

also you should be providing support or at least a sincere opinion instead of criticizing another persons idea

[round turtle]

Yea and i was

[terse sand]

But your point is redundant because it couldn’t just be healing since we added the idea that there would be cooldown so you couldn’t camp the cotton machine

[slender orchid]

Here is a sincere opinion and a better idea: I do not like this idea I think it could be improved by: 1 moving the Cotten machines to the opposite sides of the map each and make the machines give 50 more Cotten a second than usual with no cooldown or just make it so if you hit them 6+ times with both Cotten machine buttons pressed then you are immune but when you stop gaining Cotten or get off the dispenser you have a 2-3 second cooldown depending on how long you have been using the machine. There it is.

@terse sand

[terse sand]

But that’s so convoluted compared to my idea and it would give the devs a hard time if they added it because it’s very specific while my idea is still perfectly fair and adds balance while still being a simple idea

[slender orchid]

Fair point I give up you win.

[high hinge]

People would camp this like crazy there would have to be a cool down of some kind

[jovial comet]

No because getting cotton is meant to be strategic and just get cotton when everyone else is fighting

[slender orchid]

There is one read the passage

[warm rapids]

Yall are acting like you're supposed to just be fighting for your life and then the guy you're fighting just becomes invincible and heals himself. Plus Free For All's take a lot anyway.

[reef vapor]

if your getting hard targeted by someone then what

[jovial comet]

Then switch lobbies

[reef vapor]

hard targeted because ur low

[jovial comet]

That’s how the game works and sometimes you do get targeted

[urban prairie]

That’s the point it’s supposed to be risky to get more stuffing your supposed to value your stuffing

[terse sand]

I know that but some people just camp the cotton machines to get cotton and so they can stop others from getting cotton it just isn’t fair because then people aren’t fighting but other people have to die because someone camps and ruins the game

[jovial comet]

I have never seen that happen and then let others just take that person out

[terse sand]

But that’s just you, and I know because it’s happened to me and many others before

[jovial comet]

Ok fair enough but yeah I can see that as a problem so then I don’t know but I still don’t really think there should be immunity while getting cotton

[terse sand]

thanks for understanding! I’m glad people are still being positive here

[jovial comet]

Yep

[sour topaz]

In most lobbys people don't really attack you when your getting cotton

[sour topaz]

Bro nobody camps the cotton machine for people.

[grand bone]

people do get killed at cotton machines

but its a risk to refill your cotton, and thats an intended feature

same as in H&S, you run the risk of being killed while refilling on cotton

its a strategy element

and dying while refilling cotton is respectfully, a skill issue

i can give some tips though,

• dont get cotton if youre low and think you might get targeted (or are being chased)
• instead, run around until you can refill
• run if you start getting attacked
• play aggro so you dont have to refill
• steal people items and sell them

[terse sand]

Yes they do just because it hasn’t happened to you at all doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened

[sour topaz]

Hasn't happened in all the time i've played lab and live, over 40+ hours of playing those btw

[grand bone]

if its a common enough problem to make a suggestion about, then clearly this guy wouldve seen it happen already

[terse sand]

So? That doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened

[stiff pebble]

meh

[sour topaz]

Yeah but it isint that big of a issue, You should have max cotton to start and wait till mid game or when a ton of people are away to get cotton.

[terse sand]

Also quick q what does aggro mean?

[stiff pebble]

they should add invincibility once the round starts

Like 5 sec

[sour topaz]

fr like I hate it when it starts and im just poof and in the spikes immeditally

[grand bone]

stop arguing please, the fact of the matter is that immunity at cotton machines undermines the strategy and risk involved in trying to refill

[sour topaz]

fr

[grand bone]

respectfully, you need to get better at FFA arena

and this is genuinely a skill issue

[sour topaz]

i agree,

[stiff pebble]

yeah just time your cotton collection correctly

[grand bone]

its in the middle for a reason, its meant to get you targeted

[terse sand]

you can’t just assume I’m bad at ffa even though I’m the one making this suggestion

Don’t have to be so rude

[stiff pebble]

but you did make it.

if you were good you wouldn't have this problem

[grand bone]

im not being rude, you made a suggestion to make the game easier since you arent good enough at it
im not saying youre bad in a mean way, im saying you dont have the strategic skill to know when to refill properly

[terse sand]

I literally just said that

[stiff pebble]

remove this suggestion pluh

[terse sand]

no, I made this suggestion because other people have had issues with this and it was a general idea

[grand bone]

Then the same thing applies, the players who this issue applies to need to get better

[terse sand]

Not every suggestion is going to be appealed to so don’t act like this is worst thing you’ve ever read trust me there are much worse suggestions than mine

[grand bone]

also you took personal offense when i called you bad over the suggestion, this is an issue for you aswell

[terse sand]

you can’t just assume that

[stiff pebble]

accept it

[terse sand]

Unless you can read my brain patterns then you couldn’t possibly know why I made this

[grand bone]

Either way, this isn't an issue in the game, players who struggle to refill need to understand the following:

• A.) that's the point, you should be more careful with when you refill cotton
• B.) being low on cotton means you should be close to death, most players shouldnt be surviving going to low cotton, if that were the case, the rounds would never end.

[stiff pebble]

what if i

can

read your brain powers

[grand bone]

I can't read your brain, but I can read what you say and infer things.

[terse sand]

You could instead say something like “maybe you should have some practice to improve your skills so that this may be less of an issue for you” instead of “skill issue”

[grand bone]

skill issue is a more easy way to say that

[terse sand]

Saying “respectfully” doesn’t make it respectful

[grand bone]

skill issue gets across the point that the issue at hand is caused by one's skill, not the game

[terse sand]

yes but it conveys a different meaning and is generally rude

[grand bone]

skill

issue

also ive said it in a more professional manner and you disregarded it

[terse sand]

also why are you more concerned about a persons skill level than their feelings?

[grand bone]

because this is a suggestion about yeeps

im just trying to convey the fact that the player needs to get better

also why is anyone getting emotional over being bad at a game

[lunar quarry]

No then people can just camp at the dispenser it’s not a time out place

[grand bone]

correct

[terse sand]

Well why don’t you uphold the community guidelines and try to do it in a respectful manner instead of saying “skill issue, get good”

[lunar quarry]

I’ve seen people just sit there and tell people to target someone cause they attacked someone while they were there

[grand bone]

i literally did and you disregarded it

[terse sand]

Then paste it in reply to this

[grand bone]

what I'm trying to say here is that the cotton dispensers don't need immunity since you really should just be playing around the fact that they dont

[grand bone]

Either way, this isn't an issue in the game, players who struggle to refill need to understand the following:
A.) that's the point, you should be more careful with when you refill cotton
B.) being low on cotton means you should be close to death, most players shouldnt be surviving going to low cotton, if that were the case, the rounds would never end.

[terse sand]

It isn’t even that big a deal

[grand bone]

Then the same thing applies, the players who this issue applies to need to get better

[grand bone]

respectfully, you need to get better at FFA arena

ive said in a non "skill issue" way thrice

and you disregard all of them for attention

[terse sand]

This isn’t necessarily respectful as it is the same point you made before but without skill issue in it

[grand bone]

im saying the player is bad

can you seriously not handle the fact that you arent the best person at everything ever

people are bad at things

thats what makes us human

[terse sand]

The immunity would only last about 2 sec anyways it’s not like a full time immunity

[wind scarab]

At that point is it even worth it?

[terse sand]

When did I ever say I was?

[grand bone]

the immunity doesnt need to exist to begin with

[grand bone]

you're acting all pissy about me calling you bad at the game

[terse sand]

Dude if you don’t like the suggestion you could politely tell me why it wouldn’t make sense

[grand bone]

istg

[terse sand]

That doesn’t answer my question

[wind scarab]

He’s TRIED if you haven’t noticed

[grand bone]

i said my reasons MULTIPLE times

and you disregard all of them

just to further your point

[terse sand]

But not very politely

[terse sand]

But you just stated facts

[grand bone]

stating facts is a perfectly fine way to decide on a suggestion

do you want me to bring something unproveable into this>

thats significantly worse

[terse sand]

Also I said in the suggestion that I know there’s a reason that it’s like that and I was aware of the faults of this idea

[wind scarab]

Dude expects people to be respectful as if he is

[terse sand]

Respect is something you earn, not something you just get, and clearly neither of us think the other deserves their respect

[grand bone]

so you acknowledging the fact that this idea is bad means i cant think that its bad?

i have to think its worse than you think it is or my point is invalid?

[terse sand]

You can, but you don’t have to call me bad, even though I may be

[grand bone]

this issue stems off of making the game easier, which only needs to be done if the player is bad

its quite literally an integral part of this suggestion is difficulty and skill

[terse sand]

That doesn’t excuse you being rude about it firsthand

[grand bone]

im allowed to bring it up

[terse sand]

The first thing you should’ve said was that I may need to improve my skills so that I would not see this as a problem anymore

[grand bone]

im not sugarcoating the fact that you are bad at the game

you made this suggestion since you arent good at the game

and im just stating that

[terse sand]

I know that. But you should at least try to be even ever so slightly nicer about it

[grand bone]

i was nice before you decided to start being an attention seeker instead of admitting your faults

[terse sand]

I told you, you don’t know the full reason why I made this suggestion. This is a likely inference with reasonable evidence, but that doesn’t mean it’s true

[wind scarab]

Isn’t that a conundrum

[terse sand]

I don’t want attention

[grand bone]

you admitted that you werent good at the game

what are you even on about

[terse sand]

What I was trying to do is encourage you to think a little more of people’s feelings than their imperfections

[terse sand]

I said “though I may be” not “even though I am”

I admitted it as a possibility, but I am not fully aware of my true skill level

[wind scarab]

Still not sure why you don’t feel like respecting the valid points against the suggestion

[terse sand]

My intention as a part of the argument was to get you to consider people’s feelings more than their skill, but clearly neither of us could hold that topic

[grand bone]

This suggestion builds off of a difficulty issue in the game.
You need to understand that difficulty of a game also corelates with skill.
Refilling cotton requires skill and strategy and you are failing to refill cotton.
The math adds up that you're bad at the game and this isn't an issue with the game, it's an issue with you.

[grand bone]

im not insulting you, im stating that you are bad at yeeps

[terse sand]

Because my feelings aren’t being respected, and I already know the points of his argument and how to respect them

[terse sand]

Inferring

[terse sand]

I understand that, which is why I said I may get rid of the suggestion in the case that it is explained to me why this would not be a good idea

[grand bone]

If you're good at the game, why are you insulted that someone thinks you're bad?
You also said "even though I AM" to whether to not you were bad at the game.
You can't handle the fact that you aren't perfect.

[terse sand]

I didn’t say that

I said and I quote “though I MAY BE”

[grand bone]

you said both

[terse sand]

I said only one

I stated that I DIDNT say “even though I am”

[grand bone]

Also it's not a good idea since

• people could just camp, both as the refiller and attacker
• the 2 seconds is negligible
• FFA is competitive, and refilling requires skill
• A competitive mode shouldn't be made easier since a select few player(s) aren't good enough to win.

[urban prairie]

Yes that’s when you have your fight them for the stuffing machine or attack them when they are getting stuffing I understand you it’s really annoying but that’s just apart of the game and it’s a type of strategy it’s a annoying one

[terse sand]

If you don’t like the suggestion and see that it is bad, then you could ask me to take it down, and I would gladly do so

[grand bone]

you're complaining that a competitive mode needs to be made easier since you cant win

[wind scarab]

Ok… nobody is genuinely trying to disrespect you here. And, tbh, I don’t think you actually know how to respect his argument

[terse sand]

I got your point, but you don’t have to be disrespectful trying to tell me so

[grand bone]

yeah, dude is just claiming im disrespectful when i start to be right

[terse sand]

You think that, but I know that I know how to

[terse sand]

I claimed you were being disrespectful a long time ago

[wind scarab]

And “how to respect” is to… not?

[terse sand]

Just because I don’t verbally express respect towards it doesn’t mean I don’t respect it

[grand bone]

im not being disrespectful, you made a suggestion about a difficulty problem and get mad when people tell you that its not the game being difficult, its you being bad.

game difficulty and player skill are 2 sides of the same coin
one can be seen as the other, and cant handle the fact that the game isnt difficult, you're not good

[terse sand]

Could you at least ask me to take it down after proving your point?

[grand bone]

take it down

i proved my point

and you understand that

you said youd take it down if i proved my point, and you said i proved it a while ago

[terse sand]

Okay, but next time don’t call someone bad in such a rude way, and just prove your point with frontward facts that are convincing and reasonable

[jovial comet]

I’m gonna be honest you could have been a lot nicer about the way you said it and he wasn’t being mean from what I know when people tell him this sucks and I agree it’s not the best suggestion but you can be nice

[whole stream]

yes

[whole stream]

true he could have been nicer

[bitter swallow]

How can I get Applab.

[whole stream]

ask on discussions

[bitter swallow]

Where?