PcVr Port

[lucid urchin]

No mods but just for maybe more players to join and more roles also

[south cave]

Why would pcvr get more roles

If it goes on pcvr it will get mods, the devs can't control that

[lucid urchin]

I mean everyone will get more roles not only for pcvr

[cold beacon]

lemon loader:

lemon loader:

[cold beacon]

Mod loader for android (hence quest 2) games

Bonelab uses it

Although there is also scotland2 which beat saber uses

No

I am saying that hackers exists even without pcvr

And tbh if trass set the game up right

All making a pcvr build should be is just adding another export

gorilla tag does it
manniquin does it
brazen blaze does it
contractors does it

hyper dash does it

9/10 if a game is on vr it is on steam and quest
only exception I can name off the top of my head is Exploding Kittens due to it being... made in collaboration with meta iirc

for the group of VR users that dont have a quest 2/3(s) and wanna play

(and who would say no to more players)

I can mod the game as it is? you gonna remove quest 2 support now?

(I can even mod it on quest 3)

[limber sun]

pcvr makes it easier, don't undermine that fact, but you are right about the game being able to be modded as it it

but modders are DESPERATE for a modded yeeps apk, and pcvr would definitely make it easier, look at gtag, I haven't seen standalone modding methods, I've only seen pcvr modding methods.

In this game especially, moderators deal with a bunch of tickets already, there's no need to put extra stuff on the plate.

Then again, yeeps is relatively new compared to the 4 year old monkey game.

old msg but whatever

[cold beacon]

True and the only quest mod loader up till a week ago was Scotland2 which requires you to write mods in c++ which sucks. But recently Lemon Loader got updated meaning that you can use Melon Loader on standalone and c# is alot easier to work with...
I kinda wanna make a mod and see how hard it would be to make a custom server launcher

[limber sun]

from what I've seen they've also encoded (all) the scripts so

it's might be easy to uncode but ive never seen it before

[cold beacon]

You mean il2cpp which is done by compiling the c# code in editor into c++ and then into machine code

Luckily modding software has decompilers

Such as (idk) for Scotland2
Or cpp2il for Melon/Lemon

[limber sun]

maybe idk 🤷

I used asset ripper during the first update it was norm, then after the camera situation i think they changed it

[elfin thunder]

Still mods

[cold beacon]

But not pcvr. So the claim that "you can only mod/cheat on pcvr" is false

[elfin thunder]

Yeah but harder

[cold beacon]

Moving files from pc to vr is not that hard

You literally just plug in your headset

[elfin thunder]

Well what you say nothings changing

[cold beacon]

And drag and drop the files

1. Entitlement check
2. No one finds joy in hacking a gorilla tag like game when it is alot easier to mod gorilla tag.
3. Yeeps is less popular

But if I had to pick one reason. No matter the platform it takes effort to mod games. And when 99% of your player base shouldn't legally be on a VR headset...

[unborn turtle]

The protection on the game is extremely hard even I have tried changing stuff like the music for me but it just crashes

[cold beacon]

That is because you were asset swapping
Which hits the entitlement check

[unborn turtle]

Actual reason, reasons

1. After the game got hacked the first time the protection got really buffed.

2. The only reason why last hacking was because the mobile app had a vulnerability.

3. The game is rising with more players, which means it’s more popular than most games.

[cold beacon]

If a relatively decent modder opened up lemon or scotland2 they could patch that out

[unborn turtle]

Even the best modder that I know can’t hack yeep since protection

[cold beacon]

Also again. 99% of the player base is breaking Meta age guidelines

[unborn turtle]

It’s more like 20% to 15%

[cold beacon]

Under 13 aren't allowed to use quest headsets. And every child I hear is definetly under the 12 year mark

[unborn turtle]

You can play, even if you’re 12 or 10 if you have a parent managed account

[cold beacon]

Let's be honest. Only a minority of parents are taking the time to setup a managed account for their children.

There is. They even have their own mod loader

They have their own "Android Mod Loader"

Ofc gtag is also working on official mod support

Yeah gtag has custom map support.
Go to arcade and put your head up to the vr headsets on the machines.
Accept mod.io ToS
Boom custom maps

And from the design of "Virtual Stump" it appears that cosmetics will be coming

Custom maps are a form of mods

You asked about gorilla tag

But in the case of "in general" you have Lemon Loader

Which is used for Bone Lab

Which already has mod support. But some people find the builtin stuff too weak. And so they made a external mod loader

But all that I am hearing is not arguments about modding. But that game moderators don't want to have to moderate the game

Why do you assume pcvr only exist for modders

So you admit this is a bad game no?

And that people are only playing it because they don't have many better options?

Or because they already bought the pcvr stuff

And don't wanna buy another headset

That's like saying all PC game players only own PCs for playing games. When alot of pc users are people who use it for jobs

[unborn turtle]

Making mods on quest is harder than making was for PCVR since it’s easy

[cold beacon]

Ultimately. Skill issue. If you can't prevent mods. Just separate the servers

You would need more servers for a growing player base anyways

[unborn turtle]

That wouldn’t be fair

You’d be separated from your friend if they had a PCVR

And also, they would have to maintain both servers in a way

They would have to fix problems in both different servers

[cold beacon]

Then add a button to temporarily be sent to pcvr

[unborn turtle]

It would take both twice as long

[cold beacon]

Not really

Servers are a 3rd platform

Not tied to either side

[unborn turtle]

They wouldn’t even add this since it would cause mods to find a way to go into quest and hacks

[cold beacon]

Atleast... if the devs were smart

[unborn turtle]

It’s much easier tomorrow on quest than PCVR

[cold beacon]

That's why you isolate the two. Quest users can bring stuff to pcvr. But pcvr can't send stuff to quest servers

One-way replication

And it isn't like they have server-side access

So they can't make custom items

At most mods can affect the client. Unless the devs have a major vulnerability because they prayed a bit too much on their 1st line of defenses

[unborn turtle]

You’re underestimating

They would find a way to glitch in the quest servers

[cold beacon]

Gorilla tag...

You are falling into the fallacy of "gamers only want graphics"

Same fallacy as why CoD is 300+ GB

Again. Pre-owned

They owned their headset before quest 2 came around

Why buy another

You already have yours

2nd hand market usually suck

I am saying that pcvr would open up larger player base. And not be hard to implement (assuming the game is well written)

Another platform inherently opens a larger playerbase

but not all

How am I supposed to guess.
It could be 1 it could be 1000s

Also with pcvr you could open up "high performance" servers with upped object limits because iirc isn't there a limit to the number of objects per map

On the high-capacity servers

But limit BAM to normal capacity

And have a filter for community

Do you want me to pull up the modding statistics for various games?

Mostly mc, ror2, games with large modding scenes

Nope. Not natively

Same as yeeps

Someone else had to come along and put in work to get mods workong

If the games update

All mods break

❌

Client-side mods exists

Resource packs, shaders

Hacked clients are client-sided

Modding only occurs when a game is boring

Technically minecarft doesn't allow mods. Since mojang has no modloader

Again. External vs internal mods

Bonelab has internal mod support

Iron Rebellion plans mod support

Factorio has mods

Mech fighting game

Iron Rebellion is competitve

[normal crest]

Empty is a dev's alt, not a hacker.

[limber sun]

I dunno what an entitlement check is exactly, but isn't there a way to bypass it (semi-easily?)