Addressing disparity between P2W and F2P

[night thunder]

+1, it takes months and months to make a team as a free to play player, and you can't even be sure of the feasibility of that team because any of the crits might get nerfed by the time you make the team

[molten ibex]

I like the suggestion coz i feel the same, cost of rebonus is just soooo much higher than cost to relic a full team.

And even with a good rebonus, you might have to spend more on swaps 😭

But I am not sure if the proposals will make much of a difference. The first one might, the second is too much - 3 times in one month is unnecessary, and the 3rd one changes nothing.

The ideal solution is to reduce cost of swap and rebonus further but that's just my opinion, would love to see what others think

[slate plinth]

Right now, the meta is all about stacking 40+ EA/PA with Boss Relics for defense.
Bringing back the old training system wouldn’t be fair — players who spent a lot of Platinum would end up with fully maxed (40+) Miscrits, while everyone else gets stuck with weaker rebonuses.

A monthly unequip option or reward-based unequip tokens through Random Arena would actually incentivize people to play it.

And honestly, I’m always in favor of more ways to earn Platinum

[long lodge]

+1

1. BRING BACK THE OLD TRAINING SYSTEM.

2. I agree, with the new rebonusing system it kinda gets expensive when you're not lucky. Not to mention we also have bonus swap which is very enough along with the old rebonus system

[slate plinth]

Swaps are too expensive and would love if the cost was cut by 1/2 like 35 plats to swap stats

[vital flame]

That can work too

[molten ibex]

Agreed, the cost is high. Can either reduce that or something like 50 for swap but that will allow you to swap until you are satisfied (so it becomes a one time thing costing 50 plats)

[vital flame]

Or maybe reduce the price for rebonusing with deprioritising a bit less?

[long lodge]

Not sure if that would solve the case if we're gonna reduce the cost of plats on deprio rebonus. Especially aiming for single digit speeds

[molten ibex]

It will make a small difference for sure, if lets say deprio per stat means +3 extra plat instead of +5

[indigo flame]

u can't bring the old training and rebonusing system though, because people who have used the deriotised thing will have better stats always .... rest 2 very viable

i also agree swap 75 is v high

[vital flame]

Thank you

[red lily]

Hello. I randomly came across your flier. I thought it was some random bullshit but when I read it, honestly I was moved to tears. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I am a father of 17 children and have two wives, I provide for all of them. Life is very hard, but once upon a time more than a decade ago, during my harsh childhood I always had one thing I looked forward to, which was the computer my uncle left me, and on it I used to play this wonderful game… Miscrits. Miscrits means so much to me, but being a f2p player I can’t catch up with everyone, it’s a struggle, an intense inner turmoil that makes me choose between my family and miscrits. I could just ditch my responsibilities as a healthy adult trying to survive through life and satisfy my addiction with this game and relive my childhood dreams. I am extremely depressed and miscrits is my salvation. I am addicted to it in an unhealthy way, I sometimes contemplated robbing a bank just to secure funds to buy plats just to relic my tanky octavio with 22 sp.

I believe your solution is the correct solution. Developers, if you ever have the time in your day, little as it is, to read my message, no, my plight, please consider @vital flame ‘s wonderful suggestion. Thank you so much…

[vital flame]

? Idiot

[serene knot]

For 2/3 i agree, but 1 is not good idea imo, the idea of retreating was that you could take advantage of the system because it wasn’t fully rng, instead what better option is to lower the rebonus cost or something connected with rebonusing etc.

[turbid hemlock]

Yes I agree as well
Option 2 sounds the best, since we purchase the relic it doesn’t make sense that we shouldn’t be able to take them off. For option 3, 300 plat is still kinda less, it should be 500 so atleast we can relic 2 miscrits in a week and a whole team in 2 weeks, we need to spend on Rebonus after that as well.

[long lodge]

Rebonus and retrain are almost the same before.

Rebonus - You're wasting plats instead of time.

Retrain - you're wasting time instead of plats

Let's take this for example. Before your crit stat is determined the moment you retrain. Isn't that the same as rebonusing but your crit being at 35?

Let's say your crit would have good stat on your 7th Retrain/rebonus.

Now which one would be expensive.

• Rebonusing 7 times
• retraining your crit between level 1-20 for 7 times?

But ey, i could always be wrong. But that's coming from me who just straight up retrain crits instead of rebonusing as one is cheaper but tales lots of time while the other is expensive but comes in an instant.

And i take it that small amount of peeps understand how it was before

But in the end...it depends how lucky we are

[proven scarab]

I think we strayed a little far off the main objective of the post which is the disparity between P2W and F2P. I agree that swaps are ridiculously expensive and should be nerf down to around 30-40 and rebonus cost should be slightly lower, but we need to be fair to the devs as well. Yes player retention is important, but what drives the game to continue on improving and running are the P2Ws so giving them a slight advantage for spending isn't a new concept in games of this nature. I suggest increasing the platinum income that players receive on a daily basis or maybe add an optional game mode where players are able to grind plat, a roguelike with increasing difficulty kinda similar with the campaign but less time-restricted and more rewards.

[fair night]

Yeah we cant chop devs money that much i agree with Aries

But i would say we need more plat incomes

Or atleast low a bit swap rebonus price

Or....lower relics

Why tf relic costs 120 plats

[vital flame]

The intention is not to restrict ways of making money

It’s just things are too expensive

Meta changes, and f2p players can take a lot of time to relic a crit

And by then the crit may be nerfed

[fair night]

Expensive for f2p = more money from payers

Thats how it works

You buy plats cuz you don't have 🥀

[vital flame]

I personally know a few players who stopped playing because of how boring things became

[fair night]

Yeah i aint saying its good

[vital flame]

Yeah but it needs to change somehow

[fair night]

Seems fair to me having relic sale 24/7

[vital flame]

[fair night]

Yeah cuz u need 300 plats per crit

Not taking into account rebonus and swaps

I personally like rebonus being good because retrain is just taking very long and im in a point pve is boring

[whole quiver]

SOLUTION:

MAKE PA ARENA RANDOM ARENA FOR F2P

They don't need to farm Red Speeds
They don't need to rebo or worry about bonuses
Relics? No thanks
And it's fair too

[sleek skiff]

the problem is plat is been overused
rebonusing needs plat
retrain burns plat if you are plat training
swap bonus used plat
relics bought with plat

instead why not create a new currency or other fragments to minimize the usage of plat in different system

and i notice there is a forging thing at the village why not create a crafting system

[fiery coyote]

what about gems

plat has like ten thousand usages

and gems... are literally only used to buy crits

[sleek skiff]

gems are for currency only
maybe they can do is plats can't be bought in the market only gems and it can convert to plats in game

[vocal breach]

What's wrong with the new retrain and how was it better before? (And before - it's when?)

[patent frost]

Why won't people just play relicless arena? I sit in q 15 minutes i find no one 😦

[vital flame]

It’s more likely to balance out now. In old retrains, there was a good chance of unwanted stats being low after a bunch of retrains

[vocal breach]

Wdym by old retrains?

[vital flame]

The one before alpha was released

[vocal breach]

Before rebonus with deprioritise was implemented I did my best retrains post-alpha

[vital flame]

Oh

[vocal breach]

Especially with swaps you can do a lot and it will still be cheaper than rebo, but I don't think it's possible to constantly get good stats

[vital flame]

But right now I noticed that most of the times, 1 stat is high, 1 is around 15-16 and rest of them balanced around 20-24

[night thunder]

they tend to even out for sure

idk if it's intentional, but it's not speculation most people have also vouched for this

[cyan stag]

is it possible to not change whole stats if i want to add 35 bonus( normal train miscrits) just like old one. This one is also a good option.

[shrewd schooner]

DEMOCRACY

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[midnight isle]

Sorry this gets my downvote

[vital flame]

Damn

[whole quiver]

Merry gets my downvote