Agatha All Along

[dapper summit]

I’m using that on my parents now

[forest mesa]

wiccan was so real for that

[weary bone]

it gave snapchat filter for a bit

[dapper summit]

LOLLL

[weary bone]

but i still liked the overall look

[forest mesa]

loki solos agthas and wiccans jokes though

loki is just

prime funny

[weary bone]

loki is gone

that foo sitting in a chair forever

[forest mesa]

unless they reopen the eldrich god thing

i really hope they leave that alone

[dapper summit]

Loki my beloved

[weary bone]

i wish we didnt get sylvie :(

[forest mesa]

eldrich loki was amazing

[weary bone]

i wanted to get an actual genderfluid loki

[forest mesa]

eldrich thor doesnt need to exist

[dapper summit]

Agreed

[dapper summit]

AGREEEDDD

[forest mesa]

also for those that dont know the eldrich gods sit the highest above most mcu powers youll ever see the demiurge and eternity the entities that picked storm and wiccan are 2 of em but eldrich loki is

in short terms they are stronger then god of stories loki

also loki and wiccan become great friends when they get their eldrich powers

[dapper summit]

I love that bc it completely makes sense

[forest mesa]

theres a legit pannel where complete loki (or gender fluid/non gender confirming loki) tells wiccan to go snuggle his king when he refuse to rest over something dire

also complete loki is like all the lokis fused into one

which makes both wiccan and loki prime beings (a nexus being that only exist in one universe)

[feral relic]

DORY😭😭😭😭

[forest mesa]

ALSO FINIALLY

tommy is getting love cause tommy has been legit tortue fuel in the comics for years

[knotty pond]

It's also interesting that The elder Goddess Oshtur, Sister of Cthon also blessed Ororo's bloodline, Giving them there signature white hair affinity for magick

But Ororo's Ancestors were priestesses to Ma'at Witch was actually just Oshtur

Rly good ep too 😭

[dapper summit]

https://tenor.com/view/westernwlnd-tokyo-toni-gif-16535566702746648977

Once again Loki is the best what can I say

[forest mesa]

techincally AND I DO MEAN TECHINICALLY storm is up there with the big dawgs and reality warpers of marvel

and i dont just mean a lil cause at base she altered a whole dimension and healed it her power is enough to pretty much be on par with jean and wanda

[forest mesa]

tbh the one person loki would come down for is wiccan and its both cute and sweet

and chavez

[dapper summit]

I’ll still need a moment to not feel hurt over Lilia’s “I loved being a witch”

[forest mesa]

also

[mystic sun]

Rember when Lilia uses teens full name

[forest mesa]

water, fire, air... earth the last trial is rios

[mystic sun]

TEENAGER😨😨

[knotty pond]

Yh, Magic blood and blessed by an elder Goddess will do it 😭

I'll try and find the original writers excerpt, but it may have been Claremont, but Storm and the Phoenix were supposed to be equal in power, both of them wielding the various forces of nature and whatnot

But storm was stunted and jean killed for a decade and some change...quite a bummer the 2000s was

[feral relic]

If Lillia dies I’m going to scream and take a walk and be upset

[knotty pond]

Um...

[dapper summit]

No she’s fine guys we didn’t see her land on the sword she’s fine right 😭

[mystic sun]

I’ll go along with you’re delusion (I was in denial when Alice died)

[knotty pond]

I'm still betting that agatha will wish for alice and Lilia to be restored, or maybe Billy will,

[dapper summit]

https://tenor.com/view/patti-lupone-lilia-calderu-agatha-all-along-lilia-gagasctrl-gif-10529051943326258256

[dapper summit]

Hmmm plausible

[forest mesa]

ok i think i know the last two episode names

following the ballad all thats left is

team your fears a door appears the time has come to go,
follow me my friend to glory at the end
where all thats wrong is right and all thats bad is good
blood and tears and bone maiden mother crone
if one be gone we carry one spirit as our guide

ima be honest its most likely gonna be maiden mother crone and follow me my friend

but im scared cause theres one last episode that should be a prequil other then these

[weary bone]

please this episode of WV hurt me so bad

i was literally fighting tears and they still came

throat hurt so bad

[mystic sun]

One last week and then Agatha all along is gone 😔

[forest mesa]

they said a season 2 is possible....

[knotty pond]

Ohh

[mystic sun]

A season 2 wouldn’t make sense in my opinion

😔

[forest mesa]

its gonna be a prequil if anything

soooo

not as fun but fun

[feral relic]

…

I’m upset…

yet happy

[knotty pond]

As long as we can see other mystical beings, like The Ancient One, Vishanti, Oshtur, ect

But a second S would be better in the present

[mystic sun]

I can’t believe Alice been dead for 2 weeks 😔

[feral relic]

WE SAW THE SALEM
SEVEN FOR ONE EPISODE AND THEN THEY KILL THEM

[mystic sun]

2 episode or 3 if you count the recent one 😔

But the Salem sevens need more screen time

[feral relic]

They were genuinely the scariest part of episode 2

[knotty pond]

So long as agatha lives there souls will be bound, just like her mother, so they can still be used

[forest mesa]

Now Wanda fans are saying if Wiccan doesn't like Wanda he shouldn't of been revived 😭

[idle sage]

GUYS, I haven't watched the episode yet and I made the mistake of opening TikTok, what happened to Lilia???😭

[knotty pond]

You sure you want the answer to that

[forest mesa]

Watch it

MOW

[idle sage]

I'm afraid 😭

[idle sage]

I can't i have to wait 😔

[knotty pond]

So you want me to tell you?

[idle sage]

Yes🥲

[knotty pond]

After gaining control over her Premonitions, Lilla and Jen make there way to the next trial and aid Billy and Agatha, Lilla does a reading on herself and they pass, But she closes the doors to thwart the 7

She removes a tarot card which is the tower reversed and literally flips the castle, Throwing the 7 on a Celing of swords, and Lilla also shares there fate, sacrifices herself, just like Alice

[idle sage]

...

Just this that information

I can already tell Jen is done next time 😭

wow I didn't expect that..

[forest mesa]

She can change fate which is interesting and that means Wanda isn't the only one who can

[idle sage]

Was Alice there?

[forest mesa]

But Lilia's is so weak 😭

Not yet

[idle sage]

she was in only one comic before the 2000s, there weren't too many resources for her 🥲

I'm happy about how they use her but i'm also sad

[knotty pond]

Of course, Fate is a fickle thing, With so many modes of control

[knotty pond]

Alice is still dead

[deft ridge]

AHHHHHH I DIDNT CARE!!! I DIDNT ASK FOR THIS SHOW AND NOW I CARE!! I CARE ABOUT THIS STORY AND IM SO INVESTED AHHHHH PAIN. NOTHING BUT PAIN DOWN DOWN DOWN THE ROAD DOWN THE WITCH’S ROAD

[knotty pond]

Before dying, Lilia said that Jen was high priestess,

In tarot that means untold mystical power, But also this power was being held back,

Jen imo is too important to kill

[robust moon]

Alr im more mad the episode ended like that

But omg Lady Death looks so good

[idle sage]

yes, unlike the other (even if Alice has some appearance) she is largely in the comics, she is also the cousin of ghost rider

[deft ridge]

I’m saying 😭

[idle sage]

I thought she would just be the avatar of death 🥲

[knotty pond]

Yh she's gonna be apart of something big

[round pulsar]

Lilia is THE MVP

[ebon zephyr]

took one for the team 😔

[idle sage]

I just finished the episode, wow, Lilia's power is really interesting, I tell myself that she could change events in time if she wanted to

i kinda understand why teen is mad at wanda, imagine saying goodnight to your parents next to your twin brother and then waking up in another body 😭, i can't blame wanda, she probably didn't know he had a soul 🥲

[feral relic]

It’s been a few hour and in going to go feral without more

[tidal surge]

God what a brilliant episode of television

[tidal surge]

I made the same mistake 🙃

[forest mesa]

sooo noone told me but

wiccans reading is
traveler magician,
the quest/whats missing is the sun, the path behind, the path ahead, objective and windfall are whats missing

[idle sage]

Excuse me, I wanted to know but for some reason I find Lilia's fate sadder than the others, am I the only one? 😭😬

i just realized something, lilia somehow accidentally created MOM's events 💀

[sinful moat]

lilia…

[round pulsar]

Lilia is MOTHER 😭

[dapper summit]

PERIOD!!!

https://tenor.com/view/patti-lupone-lilia-calderu-agatha-all-along-lilia-gagasctrl-gif-10529051943326258256

[radiant mortar]

She is my fav witch in the coven

[dapper summit]

same

[tidal surge]

it was genius to experience this episode from her perspective

just masterful writing

anyone calling AAA a flop is IGNORANT

"the tower, reversed" 🔥🔥🔥🗣️ 🗣️🗣️

[sinful moat]

i loved how they tied that all together

[feral relic]

Is it normal to have a full out sobbing session during Lorna Wu’s version of the ballad🤧 like I can’t not tear up hearing if I can’t reach you, let my song teach you

[dapper summit]

we need jac on every witch show now this episode was executed amazing. stunning

[forest mesa]

I just rewrote the story she's both the white witch and scarlet witch

[tidal surge]

She needs to stay on mystical mcu henceforth

[dapper summit]

i demand it

[ebon zephyr]

lilia we love you ❤️‍🩹

[sage drum]

Lilia spinoff pls

[tidal surge]

Lilia for marvel rivals

[forest mesa]

Ok ok

[rustic spindle]

I love a sacrifice where the character just gets to show off and do something seriously badarse and cool before they die

[feral relic]

Went on insta saw lilia post and im boutta cry

Wait it ended with her as a child so she’s starting her life over and not actually dead

[weary bone]

I think she just went to the afterlife with her teacher

[feral relic]

I’m the most upset that they just killed the Salem 7 like that

I wanted to know more

[dapper summit]

someone said only 5 died

or were seen being stabbed

[feral relic]

Fingers crossed

Is Rio one of the 7 I wonder

[tidal surge]

My bf was like "why didn't she just go through the door" 😩 did we not watch the same episode

[tidal surge]

I interpreted as the start of her witch journey irl since she experienced time differently

[feral relic]

and her smirk at the end was her showing she has full control

[desert charm]

Agatha not all along

[forest mesa]

Ima say it

I think lillas the white witch

Also someone got Agatha's card reading and Agatha is in danger

[tidal surge]

girl u think everyone the white witch lmaoo

[forest mesa]

ive only said lilia everyone else in chat said ms sharron 😭

[tidal surge]

chat we get TWO episodes next week

[forest mesa]

WAIT Wait

Lilia's reading

The path behind is still a open path

ALICE IS COMING BACK

[feral relic]

WAIT WAS THE CICADA ON AGATHAS CURTAIN IN WANDAVISION VERTIGO???

[weary bone]

thats the theory

[round pulsar]

Did you guys saw that last leak from MyTimeToShineHello? ||it says marvel are making a show about Wiccan Also they will reportedly cast an actor to play Hulkling next year which make me think Eddie is not Teddy fr||

[sage drum]

She fed that cicada to her rabbit..

[feral relic]

Aw

[round pulsar]

Yes senor Scratchy got MVP that day 🐇

[radiant mortar]

tbf shine's leak is on a 50/50

its either she got a 100% facture report or just posting for clout

[sage drum]

If Senor Scratchy doesn’t make an appearance in the last episode I riot

[marsh whale]

Be careful with leaks like that, there used to be a fairly big leaker in the boys community who eventually got found out and fired from their job as a subtitle writer for Amazon for leaking stuff. So if it's a legit leak, just be careful where you're sharing them

[feral relic]

HEAR ME OUT. WHAT IF SENOR SCRATCH IS EITHER
A. Nicholas Scratch
B. Mephisto

[tidal surge]

I think it's a bunny named after her dead son 👦

Chat do we think The witches road is real or a reality created by Billy

[dapper summit]

i don't think billy is that strong yet

[tidal surge]

Yes, but counter point, neither did Wanda when she did the hex

[dapper summit]

but also billy is not at the level of grief wanda was at at that point

home girl was going THROUGH it

[tidal surge]

Also if Agatha has been on the road before she's acting like it's not how she remembered it

Yeah true

[dapper summit]

two episodes next week is gonna mess me up

i scared...

[tidal surge]

My one big critique of the show is I wish the Salem 7 felt like a bigger threat and I wish the coven had more bonding scenes like after Alice's trial

[dapper summit]

yes same here

[tidal surge]

Would've made Lilia's death hit harder

[dapper summit]

why aren't you reading rn?....

[tidal surge]

Girl I was at the gym and getting food now sheeeessh

I didn't know I had 30 minutes

[dapper summit]

WELL I WANNA DISCUSS

[tidal surge]

I'm halfway through chapter 11 and u on 17 fuskdhsks

Gimme a sec 😫

[dapper summit]

well we are stopping before 17 now don't get wild...

[tidal surge]

ackbar twerking gif

[dapper summit]

i'll send an appropriate substitute instead

https://tenor.com/view/patti-lupone-lilia-calderu-agatha-all-along-lilia-gagasctrl-gif-10529051943326258256

[tidal surge]

My beloved...

[dapper summit]

MY EVERYTHING!

[tidal surge]

"I loved being a witch" 🥺🥺🥺

Even through all the trials and pain she suffered being a witch, she wouldn't trade a single moment of it

[forest mesa]

Don't talk about leaks but uhhh

Yeah just saying it now marvel actors usually get casted the show of of a year before

If not 2

Also because of the doom saga nearly all of the young avengers have been casted

Except prodigy

Which means I might have a chance at marvel /j

[forest mesa]

STOP IT SHES NOY DEQD I REFUSE TO BELIVE IT

[sage drum]

Also I’d like to say that, as a LGBT person, I really appreciate the respect this show has shown to LGBT people by not overblowing stereotypes. Feels good to have a gay show out here that isn’t trying too hard or mocking

I feel like I’ve said this before but in light of the several gay jokes over the course of the last couple episodes just felt like I should reiterate

[sage drum]

HELLO THIS ISNT AN AGATHA COMMENT BUT

IM REWATCHING MULTIVERSE FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME

when dreamwalking is being explained

Right before they pass out and all throughout the score there’s cicadas. Listen again if you haven’t but also let me know if I’m late to the party but I just heard that and lost it. It’s the scene before and during 838 Wanda’s first possession of 616 Wanda

I might be late to the party on this but there are cicadas in that score

My brother asked me recently what the obsession with cicadas and witches are and I told him one story that little girls used to say cicadas were witches singing and adults assumed that meant a “spell”

We love Ice cream is so bad these boys did not deserve that

[feral relic]

Jac Schaeffer says the swords that fell on the coven in ‘AGATHA ALL ALONG’ were not CGI:

“The other thing that was very complicated about this episode was the practical part. Those swords are real, and they’re on piano wire.”

“We had to number them and know the order and decide where they went before any actors set foot on the set.”
…,,
THEY WERE TRYING TO KILL PATTI IRL

[forest mesa]

NOOOO

ok will say

Yall

Can we talk about how Alice and Lilia completed the road?!?

[robust moon]

They did?

[radiant mortar]

I think you mean the trial

[toxic vine]

Is mephisto in this?

[brisk ermine]

nope, not physically (that we know of)

just his son billy :)

[knotty pond]

In wandavision there was a Cicada in agatha's basement, the one she used to demonstrate bewitching or smth

But out of all of the 7 Vertigo is probably the hardest to hide from

[sage drum]

She. Feeds. That. Cicada. To. Her. Rabbit.

And Agatha hid from all of them they didn’t know how to find her until rio found her

[knotty pond]

It's still quite curious that out of all the insects that could be down there, it's the same as what vertigo can shift to

[sage drum]

Cicadas and witches are like reindeer and Santa my friend

They go together historically

Also when r these funko pops coming out dang

[knotty pond]

That's really interesting, speaking of I'm pretty sure there's 2 out of the 7 that still live

[sage drum]

I would be heavily disappointed if at least one of them didn’t survive that. I saw an interview or something saying that this is apparently it for the seven like they aren’t in further storyboards?? I hope not

[knotty pond]

Maybe by the end of the series or just before, since we know who Rio and teen are now

[knotty pond]

That is disappointing, they could've gone the vengeful ghost route, since there business isn't finished, like agatha's mom they can still be around

[sage drum]

I hope so. They’re too cool to die just like that without a proper battle. I love Lilia and understand the significance of that moment, but the Salem seven are like the witchiest of witches right? I def bet at least a few of them in their lifetime had considered stab wound enchantments or something. I really hope we see them at the end

[knotty pond]

Rio did call them Feral and hive minded, and we've not seen them talk besides there usual
"Find agatha" there mothers were killed, so unless they had another elder hanging around, I'd imagine they taught themselves magic, and something went wrong or was never learned

Imma be honest they only seem like a threat because everyone there was powerless, (save rio) they demonstrated no other powers beside shifting form, there attacks were physical...but who knows 🤷‍♂️

[sage drum]

Ughhh I guess we’ll see : ( maybe they’re just a bunch of PUNKS

Agatha was right always finish what you started

[knotty pond]

I'm honestly more interested on what happened between agatha and Jen

[forest mesa]

Yes

They got what's missing and reached Rio which means

They completed the road

[tidal surge]

I guess

[light ocean]

so the only huge spoiler about this show is that one dude being wanda son?

[robust moon]

And Rio being Lady Death

But there could be more

Still have 2 episodes left

[light ocean]

oh i thought it was finished mb

[light ocean]

interesting so we might see her in deadpool content then

unless thats a different one

[robust moon]

Noooo, if it ended with that last episode I would be pissed bc it would’ve been an awful ending

[robust moon]

We might yea. It’s the same one ur thinking of

[light ocean]

some people think vanessa is lady death

[robust moon]

Vanessa?

Who the heck is Vanessa

[light ocean]

deadpool wife

in the mcu

[robust moon]

Oh what, no she def isn’t

[light ocean]

i was just saying as speculation not confirmed information

[stuck compass]

is white vision in AAA?

[feral relic]

No vision yet

Or Wanda

also I got bad news

Jac Schaeffer says the deaths in AgathaAIIAlong are permanent:

“Death is immutable. It is permanent. With this show, we wanted to pay respect to that. So this a more earnest and grave conversation about death than maybe you would find in another superhero project.”

[stuck compass]

-_-

[feral relic]

what?

[stuck compass]

man, i really hoped one or the other would return in some fashion

since white vision's just kinda there

[feral relic]

we still have 2 episodes left

[feral relic]

he’s getting his own series

[stuck compass]

and wanda's death made me facepalm into bolivon

[feral relic]

She’s not dead

[stuck compass]

fr?

[feral relic]

this past episode even Agatha said she doesn’t know

yes, no, I don’t know

[stuck compass]

ok, thats some hope

thx

[feral relic]

ofc

[old lintel]

this series really good

didn’t expect too much but I’m happy about it

ep 7 best one so far imo

[light ocean]

Who died?

[feral relic]

watch

[light ocean]

Naw

[old lintel]

u not gonna watch the show?

[lunar quest]

Ngl this week's episode was pog.
To be fair, I don't even remember a Marvel series or film that I enjoyed so much...
Because for once, everything is pretty good. And we've real acting. (And by that, I'm not saying MCU's actors are bad lol, not at all, but this series' scenario makes acting more needed, more diversified.)
Otherwise ep.7 was pretty well constructed, I'm sad now tho.

[old lintel]

this def making my top 3 mcu shows

not including the defenders shows, animated shows or any other ones which are not part of the main timeline

[lunar quest]

I'm being bad tho.
WandaVision as well definitely was very diversified in terms of acting. (Which is why I liked it too.)

[light ocean]

Just here for the spoilers

[old lintel]

Alr then but I def think this show is worth a watch

as for the spoiler

ep 7 ||lilia dies||

[light ocean]

Is that the old blonde lady?

[old lintel]

no

it’s the other old lady

[light ocean]

Oh have no clue who that is lool

I’m Google it

So apparently they’re all witches beside that guy right?

I know who he’s related too

[old lintel]

||patti lupone’s character||

[old lintel]

well I thought so too but they classify him as a witch too

i thought witch is only for like girls but apparently not

also Sharon is not a witch she was just a regular old lady who did not deserve what happened to her 😭

she’s the old blonde lady u mentioned

[light ocean]

Wouldn’t he be more of a wizard though

[light ocean]

I mean it is

And men are called wizards or warlocks or he has different pronouns?

[old lintel]

yeah ik either a wizard or warlock but they use the term witch in this show for everyone in a coven regardless of gender

[light ocean]

I see

At the end of the day Disney does what it wants

[feral relic]

The budget was so low they had to use real swords to fall
From the ceiling instead of cgi

they fr risked hurting Patti lupone

[old lintel]

I know they used a lot of real props and I think that was really cool ngl

but didn’t know about the swords 😭

apparently they did use real ones but didn’t drop them ofc they were suspended using something

but yeah

use of real stuff over cgi doesn’t bother me at all cuz it looks good and it works perfectly fine

and this show is rlly good even with a low budget cuz of the cast, writers and jac schaeffer

now compare that with smth like she hulk which had a very high budget but bad cgi and story 😭

like I don’t like that show bruh but it’s not for the reasons a certain group of people hate it I got valid criticisms

[manic hearth]

Ep 7 was a cinematic masterpiece

[old lintel]

facts

[sage drum]

Wizards, witches and warlocks, are ALL different things

Witches practice witchcraft, warlocks possess demonic magic, and wizards study to get their power. It’s not just because Wiccan is a man that he’s suddenly not a witch

[dapper summit]

They dropped real ones using piano wire

[old lintel]

idk if that’s cool or concerning 😭

[old lintel]

her name is SHARON not mrs hart

smh smh

[tidal surge]

Love that she said this when Wakanda Forever is right there

[feral relic]

250 million dollars mind you, and AAA has 40 million

[tidal surge]

The thing is none of these mcu shows had a showrunner to actually make them feel like shows except for Wandavision and AAA

She hulk I didn't mind, had some great and not great moments, but for what it was, it's insane it cost that much

[sage drum]

Who’s Sharon

[old lintel]

that’s true I’m kinda sad jac schaeffer dropped out of vision quest 😔
she directed both WV and AAA

[old lintel]

you have mrs hart in your username

that’s the fake name Wanda gave to her in the hex

her real name is Sharon Davis

she says that multiple times in AAA when agatha keeps calling her mrs hart 😭

[dapper summit]

Who is Sharon

[dapper summit]

(You’re missing the joke, Agatha says that in the episode lol)

[old lintel]

what

[tidal surge]

agatha says "Who's Sharon" after mrs hart dies

[dapper summit]

???

[old lintel]

yeah that’s what I said didn’t I

that agatha still didn’t know her real name

[dapper summit]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-gif-8906255

[old lintel]

are u saying agatha said that intentionally

OKAY NO NVM IM JUST STUPID

i get it that user replied to me saying “who’s Sharon” and that was a reference to the joke 😭

but in my defence many people have genuinely asked me who Sharon is

[tidal surge]

I was like "how can we make this any more clearer" 😫

[old lintel]

😭

[sage drum]

Lololol

[sage drum]

It was perfect you walked right into it

[tidal surge]

Omg one of the Salem seven performers replied to my TikTok comment

[dapper summit]

Are you harassing performers again leafy

[tidal surge]

I SAID SHE ATE WYM

[forest mesa]

Twitter Stan's are something else I gotta block the hashtags for Agatha all along now 😭

[feral relic]

3 days until it all ends :/

[lunar quest]

250M$ for she hulk ?

Damn, I would fire the CGI studio, sincerely

And even more the guy that decided it looked fine

[tidal surge]

It's typically not just one VFX house but several

And the quality is more the fault of rushed deadlines brought on by marvel

[lunar quest]

That's true. But it should never be made only accountable to Marvel

Because the VFX studios accepted it.

[tidal surge]

That's not how it works lol

[lunar quest]

Actually it depends of contracts at hands

[tidal surge]

Like yes heads of VFX houses bid low to get on the projects and then underpay and overwork the VFX artists

[lunar quest]

Deadlines and a skeleton of the needed works can be discussed before, it just depends which ones they are, eh

[tidal surge]

Well all that is done they don't just throw whatever together

[lunar quest]

Well, it depends how much they're known to begin with too, lol

[tidal surge]

Pretty sure Weta did most of She-Hulk, same studio as Avatar

[lunar quest]

Though I mean, if they've never worked with a client as big as Marvel they'll always try to join, anyway...
Well. Before, because that's not the case of all of them, now

[tidal surge]

Marvel isn't gonna hire just whomever

[lunar quest]

I mean, Weta is good but they did made some garbage too, and they're known for particularly awful pay lol

[lunar quest]

Well, sure, lol

[tidal surge]

That's the state of the VFX industry in general, underpaying and overworking the artists

Still though She-Hulk is a really difficult and impressive VFX it's not perfect but it is still really good and gets too much hate. It's hard making those visuals work with human models and avoiding the uncanny valley

[lunar quest]

Anyway, my point was just. If you still accepted the task with an impossible deadline - that's your fault too -.
Not that you aren't pressurised, because obviously you want the thing, but you know that you won't be able to give what you should

[lunar quest]

Well.
True.
To be fair, more than a VFX issues, I just don't like the overall design, which is actually a different matter

[tidal surge]

The design of Jen as she-hulk?

They said they wanted to go more of the Olympian route rather than having her be a straight up bodybuilder

Honestly it was gonna get criticized either way

[lunar quest]

I just don't like the overall face design, actually.
Lol, well of course it's her face, but I mean the fact that it's face but just green was, well, strange to me

Because no, actually, the olympian route is something I like way, way, way more than the bodybuilder type for absolutely anyone, for that matter, I would have preferred Hulk the same way... But well... lol

[radiant mortar]

Someone state that Hulk's height got shorter as of She-Hulk 🤔

[tidal surge]

Hulk isn't an Olympian though, he's a muscle monster. Also wdym you're mad they made her face green lol

[radiant mortar]

Also nice pfp leafy

[tidal surge]

Did you want her to have caveman brow bones

[lunar quest]

Didn't said that.
I was just saying I would have preferred lol, I just don't like muscles monster as you said XD
Which is why I said I preferred the olympian way, actually

[tidal surge]

Or be chiseled like handsome squidward

[lunar quest]

And no, I'm just like. I don't know, I didn't liked this green-ish face.
I don't know if it's the colour, or the fact that it's just green but with no modifications to the face. Honestly I can't tell you, I just didn't liked it xD

[tidal surge]

That's fair just not true to the origin of the character, which I've never really cared about Hulk like ever lol

[lunar quest]

I never cared about him either

I just don't like muscle bounds, not my thing XD

[tidal surge]

Every marvel fan be like "idk why I didn't like it I just didn't!" 😫

[lunar quest]

Well I mean

sometimes it's hard to give a reason, to be fair

[tidal surge]

I'm just teasing

[lunar quest]

btw

[tidal surge]

Everyone has preferences

[lunar quest]

Moonknight gud

[tidal surge]

The show or the character

[radiant mortar]

Hmm thinking they could try the Free Guy cg tactic

[lunar quest]

Also tbh, I'm not a marvel fan anyway XD

[tidal surge]

Neither are marvel fans dw

[lunar quest]

I swear. Comics is something I've never liked for real.
I did like some, but I can't like the genre overall

Just because... It's impossible to follow, I swear

[tidal surge]

It can be hard yeah

[lunar quest]

Hard is an understatement, and I'm actually lucky Marvel is easier than, hm, DC.

[radiant mortar]

Usually I got comic info via yt shorts and video

[lunar quest]

With their 2575745 restarts.

[radiant mortar]

Thats how I know about Absolute Batman story and King In Black's ending

[lunar quest]

xD
I mean, to be fair, if you read all comics...
Well, I don't have the money for that, anyway

[radiant mortar]

I think I need to continue to read the moon knight comic online

[lunar quest]

Btw otherwise. I didn't follow things enough

But except ||Death|| (AAA spoiler, right, well tho everyone knew it anyway) are we expecting to see the characters in future movies?

[radiant mortar]

||Can't wait for her backstory||

[dapper summit]

Not a spoiler anymore, since it’s been revealed in the show

[lunar quest]

I meant for those that aren't up to this episode

[dapper summit]

Well, then they shouldn’t go in the thread lol

[radiant mortar]

^

[dapper summit]

Anything that’s been out officially, fair game

[lunar quest]

You know

[radiant mortar]

This is why I avoid this thread whenever a new ep came out

[lunar quest]

I'm a curious guy so I'll always go everywhere kek

[dapper summit]

But if it was unofficial spoilers and leaks, nope

[lunar quest]

so, I'll still spoiler things

[radiant mortar]

It do be like that

[dapper summit]

Me 😭😭😭 I always come in at the tail end when the others are getting messy in here

[lunar quest]

Though, to be fair.
I never cared about spoilers

You can spoil me a character is going to die at the end of a movie or a book I couldn't care less

[radiant mortar]

Sometimes you forgot yout algo is filled with marvel stuff and when a new mcu movie is up

Boom spoiler scene 😭

[dapper summit]

Same here

I’ll still watch regardless

[lunar quest]

I don't care just coz

It's not going to tell you how it happened

[radiant mortar]

Same but I want to know HOW that character die

[lunar quest]

etc

[radiant mortar]

Thats what happen to me when my friend told me quicksilver died im aou

[lunar quest]

so unless the guy is spoiling the whole movie/book (and then guy need a lot of time lol) I'm fine

[radiant mortar]

Sometimes I just forgot about the details lol

[lunar quest]

Yeah

To be fair spoiler help me sometimes

I actually spoil myself

I'm just like, I know there are chars, with personality & faces I'll very much like, and if they die I'll be too sad xD

so I'll literally skip the movie/book/whatever

LOL

[radiant mortar]

Nwh spidey scene kinda give me an assure that the leaks were true lol

Its the thumbnail

Afterward I immediately told myself I didnt see anything, I didnt witness that

And try to forget about it

[round pulsar]

Mr Shart

[old lintel]

LMAO yeah I read it like that on the ouija board too 😭

[round pulsar]

YES LMAO we all read like that in the first time 😭

[dapper summit]

i gigged

[tidal surge]

chupa sangria be like

[dapper summit]

well with that it would be gagged instead of giggled. #slaytheroad

[forest mesa]

Banned 😭

Yall ready

For the end

[robust moon]

im ready to see mephisto

[dapper summit]

NO

[tidal surge]

I'm scared

[round pulsar]

If we don't get Wiccan, Agatha, Lady Death and Mr Shart trailer reveal announced in Marvel Rivals together with the last episode on wednesday WE RIOT

[forest mesa]

Imagine everyone dies and they say no more marvel at the end

[dapper summit]

HELP?

[forest mesa]

It was wanagtha all along

[round pulsar]

Wherever it may bend I'll see you at the eeeeend 🎶 😭

[forest mesa]

ok head on a swivel

spoils are dropping again

[real swan]

well, Billy died, so? 😄

[feral relic]

not in this series yet

[dapper summit]

how are we feeling my coven

[real swan]

well, William died

[feral relic]

I’m sad

tomorrow is the end

[round pulsar]

I know Billy and William it's something the show put it that way to make it easier to understand, but they're actually both William. Vision named him after William Shakespeare, Billy is short for William

[round pulsar]

i'm both sad and hyped for the finale 😭 I hope Marvel gives more projects to Jac Schaeffer, now it is more than proven that she is great at what she does

If she gets the young avengers project people are talking about I'm sure she will make it a top game in MCU

[dapper summit]

THISSSSSSSS jac needs way more projects now

she has shown that she can make this work

[forest mesa]

Bestie I get it but also that's the comic version so far since in WV they both weren't given full names

The was Twitter is acting relived that Eddie isn't teddy feels so rude

He would of made a great teddy

[sage drum]

Oof I was right all of the witches (and Mrs hart) have so far died in the order they step onto the road the first time hopefully Jen doesn’t DIE

[forest mesa]

Well to be fair all of them so far have completed the road in some sort of way

But so far the high priestess card is scaring me since a second meaning for her high spiritual power is "unwilling to use it"

[feral relic]

I’m so curious to what her abilities are

[feral relic]

I’m watching a funny moment montage and the book she was returning
Dialogue and rhetoric known history of learning and debate
Spells dark hold

I never noticed

[forest mesa]

Also if anyone wants I can tell them their class magic type skills and abilities for something Agatha themed

[twin sphinx]

👀

[dapper summit]

https://tenor.com/view/patti-lupone-lilia-calderu-agatha-all-along-lilia-gagasctrl-gif-10529051943326258256

[weary bone]

mother

[dapper summit]

My everything

[weary bone]

my forever

[radiant mortar]

I demand a Lilia series 🗣️

[dapper summit]

Her backstory seems fascinating

[radiant mortar]

It would be nice to get a special presentation or a mini series of her's on the spooky month of halloween

[marsh whale]

unfortunately Marvel have clearly commited to having Werewolf by night be the only halloween one shot, kinda irks me since there's so much potential for Marvel and halloween specials

So committed they released it twice 🤣

[radiant mortar]

Ikr halloween special be used to build up supernatural side of mcu

Man thing short series

Ghost rider

And many more smh

[sage drum]

Am not emotionally ready for tn

[dapper summit]

WAIT I FORGOT ITS TONIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[tidal surge]

I'm not ready

[sage drum]

I’m staying up xtra late past me bedtime so I can watch (I work at 4am)

[dapper summit]

praying for you omg

[marsh whale]

legit this is the first set i'm able to stay up and watch and i'm wholly intending on it

Double episode tonight as well

[round pulsar]

What time the episode come out in your time zone? for me it's 10 pm

[mental compass]

preparing myself to cry tonight

[forest mesa]

It was me

I destroyed Wanda and made the road 😔

[brisk ermine]

and we all thank you

[forest mesa]

Also not me getting a whole meal is preparation

[dapper summit]

love to see it

okay i'm not able to watch right away so pleaseeeeee yall behave and don't argue when the episodes drop ty ily all gorgeous coven 🤍

[rustic spindle]

Are the episodes coming out normal time?

[dapper summit]

i believe so !

[rustic spindle]

Ugh that means I’ve still got four hours

[dapper summit]

i'll do the angry gif for you

https://tenor.com/view/ódio-estresse-quebrando-tudo-raiva-gif-25087779

[rustic spindle]

Why thank you

Appreciate it

[robust moon]

Yall we have nearly 2 and a half hours left until the final two episodes are released. How are we feeling?

[feral relic]

I’ve cried already

[robust moon]

we both know youll cry more

[feral relic]

Ok fine I lied I’ve cried 3 times already

Omg today is destiny. It’s supposed to be heavy storms during the night🥹

[idle sage]

it's almost the end, I was VERY happy to be able to talk about this series on this server with people and share my opinion (especially since I don't speak English and almost no one regards the Marvel series seriously in my country) this was my BEST experience in a marvel server (it my first🥲), thanks a lot guys

[feral relic]

Yeah I will definitely rmemeber these past 5 weeks for the rest of my life

And I’m dressing up as Sharon for Halloween :)

[sage drum]

Crying @ the teaser for tn

[robust moon]

35 minutes everybody!!

[feral relic]

It’s been an honor going down the road with all of you

If I can’t reach you, let my song teach you. All you need to keep our love alive. If I can’t hold you, remember what I told you. It’s the only way we survive. WE SURVIVE!

[forest mesa]

YALL

IT HAPPENED

IM SCREAMING

KEKE PLAMER IS ROGUE

[sage drum]

Hello I’m LOSING IT

time for last episode and then bed oh my godddd

This show is s tier

[forest mesa]

keke palmer in agatha was supreme

[sage drum]

I’m sobbing

[forest mesa]

wait so the road permantly exist because of wiccan

[sage drum]

I have been sobbing the past two hours what an amazing show and an amazing finale everything I thought would happen/was possible/wanted to happen DID happen in some way and I’m just so happy holy mother of god this show is so good

Amazing conclusion, amazing story altogether, forever obsessed with this perfect sequel to Wandavision

[mental compass]

im just at

a loss for words

[weary bone]

dang

that costume was pretty cool

except for the headband

shouldve just been silver

[mystic sun]

So umm did Billy just leave his parents to worry AGAIN 😭😭😭

[mental compass]

possibly

he comes back for 15 minutes then left again 😭

[mystic sun]

Me and the Alice crumbs

😔

At least she’ll be with her mom and Lila

[mental compass]

im so sad

when she said "thats all the time i get?"

[quasi dome]

Y'all wheres my post credit scene

[mental compass]

no one talk to me for the next month actually

[mystic sun]

RIGHTTT

and Jen had NO SCREEN TIME BASICALLY 😭😭

[forest mesa]

none wanda stans lied

[mystic sun]

Episode 9 is what broke me Agatha and Nickolas making the song 😭😭

[quasi dome]

The way there was no post credit scene at all for anything was the most surprising thing

[forest mesa]

ok but can we love that billys concept creation is the most powerful power ever

and creating the road opens the door for so many magic users now

[robust moon]

no Mephisto, 0/10, bad show

[mystic sun]

His creation was better than the hex 😭

[quasi dome]

yesss also I LOVE agatha's new look

tbh i prefer ghost agatha over alive agatha

[mystic sun]

Me too she’s also gonna guide Billy like she did Wanda 😭

[robust moon]

ghost Agatha looks like comic Agatha so I love that

[quasi dome]

same

[forest mesa]

the question is... will the road be diffrent for new witches

cause tbh i wanna see a new hex squad walk the road

[mystic sun]

I think he destroyed the road

[robust moon]

the fact that Billy created the road was honestly such a shock but it made so much sense

[quasi dome]

makes me feel even more bad for Alice

[mystic sun]

And Agatha and her son made me cry 😭😭

[quasi dome]

Alice cant catch a break

[mystic sun]

If Billy can cheat Tommy out of death when is he gonna do Alice

😭😭

[robust moon]

my assumption now is the Vision series will feature Billy and Agatha as they search for Tommy, along with Vision assembling the Young Avengers

[forest mesa]

since his power is concept creation he can destroy or break it it just simply exist which tbh wiccan I LOVE HIM but the one thing that differs from his powers vs wandas is 0 auto piolet

[sage drum]

Need vision and Tommy NOW

my soul is weeping

[forest mesa]

also his own powers can endanger him

[quasi dome]

my exact thoughts

[mystic sun]

At least they showed respect by adding the tombstone

😔

[robust moon]

also I jumped up so hard when Billy showed up in the Wiccan outfit

[mental compass]

the road was never real no?

[forest mesa]

remember yall they all beat the road and the only one that passed was alice and sharon

[robust moon]

it wasn't until Billy created it

[forest mesa]

in the words of agtha it wasn't until billy

[quasi dome]

yesss ngl that made me feel something. Like I didnt cry but i definitely felt buildup from that

[sage drum]

It was as real as Wanda’s hex. So real but not real real but real yknow

[dense bison]

So wanda really did bite the dust

[robust moon]

yall need to realize this. yes. wanda is dead

[sage drum]

Nuh uh mother Wanda is alive and well and she will be fine

[robust moon]

prob not forever but for right now, she is gone

[mystic sun]

OMG that’s why Billy always found the clues 😨😨

[quasi dome]

I find it hilarious that wanda was getting disrespected the entire show

[forest mesa]

since billys power in conceptual manipulation vs wandas is reality alteration unlike wanda billy can make concepts flat out a thing that exist outside of him

[quasi dome]

speaking ill of the dead

[sage drum]

The Wanda shade was so real but she did traumatize an entire suburbia so I kinda get it

[forest mesa]

but now that billy open the road wanda can come back alive

[sage drum]

But then I’m like it was 2 weeks westview citizens, what yall haven’t had a bad two weeks until
Now?

[forest mesa]

also billy and tommy based on what death said was supposed to come back alive anyways

[sage drum]

His abilities will continue to get insane bc of his demiurge prophecy. Can’t wait to see what they do

[quasi dome]

Yall imagine how Westview residents must feel realizing that Shaaron is missing/dead

[sage drum]

Dude the Davis’ couldn’t catch a break

[robust moon]

They're probably relieved that Agatha is gone tho

[quasi dome]

most definitely

[forest mesa]

also pls billy

[sage drum]

Westview hex, Mr Davis dies, Sharon lives with that for a while, Sharon dies, Maximoff and Davis’ do NOT mix lol

[mystic sun]

I know Ralph is happy Agatha is dead 😭😭

[forest mesa]

get over yourself you didnt kill them or your mind it may have been your creation but it no longer is in your control

[quasi dome]

I honestly cant wait to see more agatha in future projects now that shes accompanying Wiccan

[forest mesa]

also not death having immedate control over the road like she made it 💀

[mystic sun]

Rio a opp now for taking Alice Lila Sharon and Nickolas

😔

[sage drum]

Also I was originally feeling like I was gonna be upset at not seeing Wanda but ever since Jen mentions Nicky I kinda surrendered the idea so ig I’m okay with it especially seeing how it ended

[forest mesa]

like lady deaths the type of person to not work on a group project and take credit for it

[sage drum]

Gagatha

Ghagatha

[round pulsar]

AAAH90FDSAJOPFDGSFDGA

[robust moon]

well the next project is What If...? season 3, which I wonder if they're gonna tie that into the MCU finally during the climatic final episodes

[round pulsar]

billy all along

[forest mesa]

but since death owns the road....

[round pulsar]

😭 😭 😭

[forest mesa]

what is she gonna use it for

[mystic sun]

More body’s 🤷‍♂️

[sage drum]

I’m still losing it

So good

Oh my god

[forest mesa]

she should use it to find a woman that actually loves her

oh wait

shell never find that

💀

[quasi dome]

Honestly Rio should be grateful. Billy made it so she can get witches more easily with the road now!

[mystic sun]

Rio’s face when Agatha didn’t want anything to do with her

And Agatha becoming a gosht knowing rio hates them

[sage drum]

Rio took Nicky I will never defend her

Her crown tho

[rustic spindle]

the comics giving Agatha her youth to match the MCU:
the mcu aging Agatha to match the comics:

[sage drum]

Her whole costume

[quasi dome]

Do yall think Rio hates Agatha for being a ghost, or is she an exception

[sage drum]

And the end how it mirrors wizard of oz with the house and storm (wasn’t really a tornado but same idea)

[sage drum]

Oh I think she hates her for it

[quasi dome]

she looks REALLY good as a ghost ngl, like i prefer the look so much more

[sage drum]

She’s like I kissed u wya???? Excuse me??? Ghost???

[forest mesa]

wait so if wanda takes that road

[sage drum]

I LOVE how it was done

[forest mesa]

that means wiccan technically brought her back

[mystic sun]

Also Agatha bounding Jen I was shocked 😮

[sage drum]

Force ghost Agatha

[quasi dome]

if the road is just now created I wonder how they're going to handle Natalya Maximoff (if they ever do)

[robust moon]

Wanda is dead tho what

[rustic spindle]

I wonder what Jen is gonna show up in in the future

[robust moon]

prob not much

[sage drum]

Just bc Wanda’s body is dead don’t mean her brain is idk

I just simply refuse to believe the narrative that she’s dead because it’s too easy to argue

[quasi dome]

Id expect a cameo here and there if anything. Just until she finds her own team

[sage drum]

If they ever do like another magic based series and they need a special potion idk

[robust moon]

She's probably not dead forever but I highly doubt we'll see her before Doomsday. The only other project I can see her appearing in is Vision

[rustic spindle]

i mean, Midnight Sons is always an option

[quasi dome]

shes def not permanently dead, that'd be such a waste of a character

[sage drum]

Nah she ain’t dead. She’s awaiting resurrection and I’m fine w that

[quasi dome]

true but i dont think they're gonna do that anytime soon

[sage drum]

And she probably will come back with some actual amnesia

[robust moon]

We already know what's coming out next year. 3 Movies, 3 Shows, 3 Animations. Doomsday is slated to release in May of 2026 so

[sage drum]

I just hope they don’t take three more years to return to WV storyline

That’s my only genuine concern

[quasi dome]

Its not that the Midnight Sons team isnt probable it's just they dont have a full roster yet, least to my knowledge

[sage drum]

Oh actually one complaint I have is I wish we had more action sequences with the Salem seven

[quasi dome]

^

[rustic spindle]

yea

[sage drum]

God I just love their costumes so much and they’re so nasty chattering around whispering Agatha ew I love them need more Salem seven

[rustic spindle]

thats my one thing really

[sage drum]

ohhh ohh wait yall

[rustic spindle]

for a witch show, we didnt see much witching taking place

[robust moon]

I was gonna type a whole thing on how we barely have any members for Midnight Sons but then I realized we do have a large list of characters they could pull from

[sage drum]

What if Salem seven series oop

Hopefully

[rustic spindle]

the entire series is just them staring into the camera and performing contortion

[forest mesa]

yall

wanda stans are saying she needs a big buff on twitter cause wiccans magic isnt fair 😭

[quasi dome]

I think it wouldve been nice to see them chasing agatha through the years in the final ep, but Im satisfied with the final ep

[robust moon]

Isn't Wiccan supposed to be stronger?

[quasi dome]

yes

[robust moon]

Thats what I thought

[quasi dome]

hes supposed to surpass wandas power once he learns it

[sage drum]

Yeah I honestly do blame the Salem seven’s downfall on maybe the fact that they used mostly/all practical effects? Maybe there was some stuff they wanted to do but would have needed cgi so instead of focusing on stuff they aren’t using like cgi they focus more on writing and whatever the actors can do for the camera I guess

[forest mesa]

they are upset for comic book accurecey

[sage drum]

Not that there’s anything wrong with the use of practical effects oh my god it’s one of the reasons I love the whole show but when projects use practical effects they tend to focus more on the writing and substance rather than the flashy stuff because the effects take more time and energy to create

[quasi dome]

Okay but now that we have Wiccan....wheres Hulking?🤨

where he at

[sage drum]

Idk im yapping now but yeah if Wandavision is a 10/10 then Agatha is a 9/10 and I’m okay with that

[sage drum]

Maybe he be in vision show

[quasi dome]

hopefully

[forest mesa]

i kinda want it to be eddie

[quasi dome]

it might be

[sage drum]

Personally I wouldn’t mind if they recast Wiccan and find someone who looks like Hulkling to play Hulkling

That’s just me tho

[rustic spindle]

why would they recast?

[sage drum]

They wouldn’t but I wouldn’t complain if they did is what I’m saying

[covert dirge]

Why did Agatha son had to die?

[sage drum]

He the illness ig

[quasi dome]

fate

[covert dirge]

Oh

[sage drum]

Yeah that

[rustic spindle]

from what i ath

*gathered

he was supposed to die at birth

[sage drum]

Also Billy’s memorial to Mrs hart, Alice and Lilia 😭

[rustic spindle]

i was convinced they were gonna be revived ngl

i kept waiting for it

and it never came

[sage drum]

That bc they dead

[rustic spindle]

well yes i would assume so

you kinda need to be dead to be revived

[sage drum]

Don’t kno y u were waiting for their resurrection tbh I think u set ur own self up for disappointment with that one

[round pulsar]

I'm still processing the version of Billy, it's certainly a darker version than the one in comics but at the same time it gave more complexity and personality to the character

[rustic spindle]

Omg wait

We didn’t get a post credit

That’s only just occurred to me

[forest mesa]

theres talk about a few deleted scenes

onee of those was rumored to be agatha kills to attempt to revive nick but also to keep him alive

[dapper summit]

Wait I forgot about this lemme watch 😭

I just got back from dinner brb

[forest mesa]

also can we talk about how joe got the best constume design

dont worry yall im on my way to steal their role and their fit 😏

[inner umbra]

why did they take the time to show death taking alice but they never showed death taking lilia

[feral relic]

Or Sharon

I’ve cried 3 times

While wearing my Sharon costume

I’m not ok

I need more

[feral relic]

Literally was tearing up the fact there wasn’t one

[inner umbra]

sharon wasnt a witch so maybe they didnt need to, but lilia definitely. Like we saw alice get magic sucked and we never saw lilia actually hit the ground

[feral relic]

It’s cause Lilia isn’t actually dead

she’s back in the beginning

But her fate is sealed

That’s what I think

[inner umbra]

then that means if she reaches the end she should be able to save alice >_> with her power

like in terminator

lol

[round pulsar]

cuz lilias arc was finished i think,ppl were still wondering about Alice and how she just got rid of her cursed just to die in next episode

[feral relic]

time to go to Instagram and watch all of them give their last thoughts on their roles and cry

I made a voice note the whole time so I would never forget this moment

[feral relic]

And the fact that the road never existed

mind boggling

it was Agatha all along once again

(Well technically Billy)

But she said nothing

and why was Alice’s only part at the beginning yet one of the most emotional scenes😭😭😭😭😭

[forest mesa]

just a reminder for yall even though billy made the road based on what agatha discussed with rio, Rio/death now owns the road/controls it

[weary bone]

how if billy closed the road

the door to it

[forest mesa]

since billy creates concepts that means although he closed the door the concept [now reality] is not something he has too much control over dude to lack of mastery of his power

so though the door is physically closed anyone can open a door now

which again luckily its udner rios control

[idle sage]

I just finished the episode...wow the theory was true

It was Billy all along 💀😧

it was one of the most beautiful projects in the mcu, episode 7 was magnificent

I imagine Jen lying at home at night being told that she could have gotten her powers back from the start by doing what she always wanted to do from the start...jumping on Agatha to pull out her hair 😂

now that the series is finished, I will try to write a text on the comics version of the characters for those who are interested

Agatha Harkness: Although Agatha Harkness is an ancient being who survived the Salem Witch Trials, she debuted as the magical guardian of Franklin Richards in FANTASTIC FOUR (1961) #94 by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Agatha eventually mentored Wanda Maximoff and taught her about her magical abilities.
When Mephisto absorbed the spirits of Wanda's sons, Agatha erased the Scarlet Witch's memories to stabilize her, but Wanda later killed her in madness and sadness. Her ghost continued to advise Wanda. Eventually, the spirit of Wanda's late mother Natalya Maximoff revived Agatha on the Witches' Road.
During her tenure at the Strange Academy, Agatha was physically de-aged(to be like her mcu version i think🥲). She also created a new version of the Darkhold, a powerful spellbook, in the form of a child during this time.
for a long time she was not only Wanda's mentor, she also watched over her and even discovered and revealed to Wanda that she was a nexus being (important beings in each reality who are powerful and represent balance ) she was a mother figure to the young witch

JENNIFER KALE:Continuing her family’s legacy with the Cult of Zhered-Na, Jennifer Kale made her first appearance in Adventure into Fear (1970) #11, created by Steve Gerber and Rich Buckler. Residing in the Florida Everglades, Jennifer became a trusted ally of Man-Thing, often using her Atlantean magic to help him protect reality.
Beyond her efforts to aid heroes like Ghost Rider (Danny Ketch) who is also his cousin, Jennifer frequently collaborates with supernatural heroes as a member of groups like the Legion of Night and Doctor Strange's Witches. She also played a pivotal role in defending the Marvel Universe from a Marvel Zombies invasion, beginning with Marvel Zombies 3 (2008) #1 by Fred Van Lente and Kev Walker.She is a friend and ally of Wanda and Steven Strange

LILIA CALDERU: Revered as the Witch-Queen of the Romani, Lilia Calderu is a formidable mage who leads her people and preserves their heritage.Queen Lilia possesses the unique ability to decipher the ancient secrets within the Book of Cagliostro and can impose her will upon others, manipulating even powerful sorcerers like Dr. Stephen Strange. On occasion, she disguises herself as an old woman when meeting strangers, adding to her aura of mystery. For a period, she dons the Serpent Crown, a powerful artifact that amplifies her magical powers though it leaves her constantly fearful of being deprived of its strength.Queen Lilia possesses the unique ability to decipher the ancient secrets within the Book of Cagliostro and can impose her will upon others, manipulating even powerful sorcerers like Dr. Stephen Strange. On occasion, she disguises herself as an old woman when meeting strangers, adding to her aura of mystery. For a period, she dons the Serpent Crown, a powerful artifact that amplifies her magical powers though it leaves her constantly fearful of being deprived of its strength.She was in MARVEL PREMIERE (1972) #12 by Steve Englehart, Mike Friedrich, and Frank BrunnerDespite her impressive feats, Calderu was mortally wounded by a beast called the Living Gargoyle, which Strange killed.

ALICE GULLIVER ( Aka the WU): Alice Gulliver was the daughter of August Wu, the mystical protector of Hong Kong known as the Coral Shore, and Detective Sergeant Adam Gulliver. While her mother envisioned her future in the family business under her grandmother, Madam Lan, Alice dreamed of following in her father’s footsteps by joining the police force. However, one tragic night in her teenage years, Alice's life changed forever when her mother was killed by a demonic assailant wielding dark magic. The next morning, Alice discovered that her brown hair had turned a striking red—the same shade as her mother's. Later, her father, too, met a tragic end at the hands of a member of the Chinese Triads.Alice blended magic with her police work when she made her debut in Doctor Strange: Last Days of Magic (2016) #1, a story by James Robinson and Mike Perkins. Alongside the Scarlet Witch, she confronted the formidable Dark Tongji and ultimately shot the criminal magician, bringing him to his end. She was recently in the new series of comics of the Scarlet Witch

[sinful moat]

finale was so good

[twin sphinx]

I’m curious what’s Rios connection with hela if there is one yknow….goddess of death……then death incarnate

[feral relic]

I need Rio spinoff

[sage drum]

I need mother ags in this game

[feral relic]

Also the way I was so shook when Agatha was about to abandon Billy

[sage drum]

For skins she can have: Classic Old Lady (default skin maybe, with ghostly variant), Wandavision 50’s look, MCU look, AAA Signature look, AAA 70’s look, AAA ghost Agatha, oh also maybe current restored youth with the white streak too, etc etc etc

I will giv all me money to this game

[feral relic]

Kathryn Hahn broke so many walls

first woman to show her bare ass in a mcu film, and first lesbian kiss

[sage drum]

She’s finally getting the recognition she deserves

[sage drum]

YAAAA !!!!

I just love that

Too bad it KILLED her 😭

[feral relic]

and she looked divine in her silver hair

IF YOU DONT KNOW KEEP QUIET

got chills

and AGATHA BOUNDING JENNIFER

DID NOT SEE COMING

Sasheer Zamata stole the episode

[twin sphinx]

Was watching with my little brother and sister 😭🙏🙏🙏

[feral relic]

good

showing them real cinema

when Agatha was crying for the plant I couldn’t help but laugh it sounded so forced

[feral relic]

H16-FLC is Billy’s license plate, any Easter eggs?

[short canyon]

I’m so sad Agatha all along has ended now I need MORE

[feral relic]

My depression will be ass next Wednesday😭

[short canyon]

STOPP lmaooo

[feral relic]

I still have so many things I need explained from them 🥲

And I will be repping Sharon today (pics in #1257647547799834727 ❣️)

[forest mesa]

i need to save all the baby witches from the road

[sinful moat]

i loved agatha’s appearance in episode 9. very comic accurate feeling and suits her so much better || especially as billy’s mentor ||

[dense bison]

Yeah i love comics agatha, well her younger version anyways

I like old agatha but she's not my type

[dapper summit]

the house of harkiness agatha is v pretty

[dense bison]

Yoooo frrr, a fellow comic enjoyer 🙏

[flint furnace]

PEAK

[feral relic]

Sorry Wandavision you’ve been demoted

[sage drum]

Wandavision will never be demoted

[forest mesa]

Idk...

If they make a young avengers tv show...

WV is def gonna get second

[sage drum]

Simply no

But continue to go off if you want

[forest mesa]

Going off with the truth too many magic fans have been waiting for something fresh and knowing hulkling and Wiccan to be the most iconic couple

It's only a matter of time

[feral relic]

Saw this in a thread and was like oh my god I never even thought of that
.

Don’t think I didn’t peep the cultural significance of Agatha (a yt woman) bounding a Black woman then gaslighting her into thinking it was only yt men

[forest mesa]

Also Jen's magic being an iconic color

[dapper summit]

yes omg

[forest mesa]

ALSO FINALLY A POWERFUL BLACK CHARACTER IN A SHOW THAT DOESNT GET KILLED OFF

it's been a minute since we even got close to having that with marvel and this was perfect 😭

[feral relic]

she was in 10 minutes of the episode yet gave one of the best performances

[forest mesa]

I will say I'm really glad they didn't tell us if Billy was Billy or william flat out

Just leave it to specticals

[forest mesa]

Especially the "you have no power over me scene" I started tearing up 😭

[feral relic]

I got chills even just watching someone react to it

and she was so beautiful each episode

[weary bone]

Cause he’s both. He accepts that he’s both Billy maximoff and Kaplan. At least in the comics he does eventually

[forest mesa]

Also I hate how lillia isn't confirmed dead or alive

[weary bone]

Oh she dead dead

[forest mesa]

But I mean she found what she was missing so may have gotten taken off in time

[weary bone]

I don’t think so. From the ending, we see her “restart” her life from the beginning but she will die at the end. She was destined to

[forest mesa]

Also I hate Agatha she's the reason Alice didn't get off the road

Just a few more seconds and Alice would of been free

[forest mesa]

That's the thing her card for windfall was tower reversed

Based on time her tower didn't change at at until it reversed being the transformation but in tarot

Death is less death and more

Rebirth

A restart

Or well a change

Also we all know Wanda is gonna reopen that door...

[weary bone]

I think it was the tower reversed cause it literally told her what was going to happen in that room

But honestly the witches road being fake kind of took away the meaning behind everything for me, tbh

[forest mesa]

Well again based on Wiccans power it's now a real concept

But for mer

Rios trial was the best

And the theme was perfect

[weary bone]

Honestly I don’t think they’ll touch the witches road again after he closed it

So as far as the mcu, it’s not a thing anymore 💀

[forest mesa]

I mean after Lizzie said "I would love to have my own witches road" and actors avoiding saying that she will be on it even after the show ended...

I will say

[weary bone]

I don’t think marvel told Elizabeth Olson that the road was made up

[forest mesa]

Wanda's trials won't be as fun though

[weary bone]

You know how secretive they are

[forest mesa]

Ok you mean to tell me... like I get we were missing scenes but like

Now take this with a grain of salt but since it's a lot of rumors but we were supposed to get shown how Agatha got the darkhold, what happens to Jen later on, Rios scenes of death were supposed to be comforting Alice and Sharron with Mr Davis and Alice's mom, Tommy getting a end credit scene, and more details on why Agatha killed witches

[feral relic]

Not until I open it

Harriet Tubman was in the MCU so technically we all are

WAIT SHE WAS A DAUGHTER OF LIBERTY

DID AGATHA KILL HARRIET TUBMAN

[forest mesa]

Low key I'm really happy the Ralph quicksliver scene got cut

Mostly cause it had issues with the marvels inhuman/X-men arc and I agree

[feral relic]

Rewatching for method acting for Sharon tonight, and watching Agatha’s reaction when teen talks about the ballad says so much

I wonder if she was the only one who knew when filming

like Mark Hamill with Vader

[tidal surge]

I see why I wasn't getting spoiled online about the last episode cuz lowkey nothing happened in the finale 😩

[weary bone]

true

[tidal surge]

Still loved the show with my whole heart

But

Just so almost perfect

[novel sonnet]

Got to be honest I just finally finished the last two episodes really don’t know how I feel about it. The show is not bad, but I cannot say it was good either.

and to be honest, everything that they built up at the end just really doesn’t excite me much

[tidal surge]

Yeah I wasn't sure how it was gonna end but I didn't think it would end like that

[feral relic]

bruh

Jac wrote multiple post-credits scenes but Marvel wouldn’t let her use them

[dapper summit]

just fell down to my knees and let out a sob

[feral relic]

Yeah I’m upset now

[quasi dome]

WHAT.

[dapper summit]

this is also insane eye to detail

[sage drum]

I follow that costume designer on IG he’s so cool

Stunning Wiccan costume

[feral relic]

Lemme send you the post so you can post it

[dapper summit]

pain.

[quasi dome]

crazy

[feral relic]

it’s official Marvel doesn’t care about their gay fans

or allys

[tidal surge]

insane detail that the cameras refused to do a closeup on 😭

[forest mesa]

I was told, Jen, mephisto, hits of Wanda, vision, Tommy, Agatha/Nick story, and lillia

[dapper summit]

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-agatha-harkness-gif-20494255

My heart …

Okay to add onto that lol

[forest mesa]

Yeah marvel and these deletions getting on my nerves 😭

[tidal surge]

this is fun

[sage drum]

Did yall see sasheer on the wires in her ig post gosh I love her

Gee golly gosh man

[sage drum]

NOOOO!!???

[forest mesa]

Sooo lemme get this straight

-Agatha "billy you are the only one that thinks I'm a good person"

Alice, lillia, Sharron, the whole town of westview

And Rio too

[forest mesa]

I also just realized

Agatha's mother could have hated her for falling in love with Rio..

[feral relic]

fiddleskiddle • 7y ago •
Aubrey, who are your favorite actresses? Which ones do you look up to?

evilhag666 OP • 7y ago • Aubrey Plaza
I have so many.. really love Kathryn Hahn and Allison Janney and Nicole Kidman...Julianne Moore..Amy
Adams...Emily Blunt...I love them all and am inspired by them all...

A Reddit Q&A from 7 years ago, little did she know she’d be making out with her heh

And her username evilhag666😂

[feral relic]

We all felt Agatha Achilles getting whipped

[forest mesa]

Wait no I just read a article mephisto was an idea but it got scrapped before acting even began

Jack is not interested in the character

[dapper summit]

Heavy breathing

[tidal surge]

The more I think about it, the more this show unravels lol

If Agatha didn't get the darkhold by trading her son, how/when did she get it? Why was people assuming she did that "worse" than what really happened to Nick?

Why was Rio and the Salem Seven after her after all these years. Were they always after her?

WHEN did Agatha and Rio meet?

[weary bone]

I think she did worse because she used her child to kill countless witches

[tidal surge]

I guess that's fair, I feel like Rio would've loved that though no? Agatha gets to keep her son and give Rio a bunch of bodies

[weary bone]

Rio was pretty guilty for having to “take away” Nicky and had given time with her son to Agatha

[weary bone]

The Salem 7 were after Agatha cause Agatha killed her parents when they were trying to execute Agatha

I’m assuming they were always after her and she’s always been on the move

[weary bone]

I don’t think we’ll really get an answer to this but I don’t necessarily think it’s unraveling the story

You are right tho on the dark hold idk where she got it

[tidal surge]

I just wish the show titled Agatha didn't shift focus to Wiccan

I get it but

[tidal surge]

Eh Salem 7 was probably the worst and least developed part of the show, they never felt like a real presence or threat. It should've been one of them that hurt Billy, not the random curse from Alice's trial

[weary bone]

Yeah it was. They basically removed everything that was interesting about them and changed them to nothing (the mcu special)

[tidal surge]

I'm glad we got something different and it turned out to be successful but damn it's another one of those almost perfect projects

[weary bone]

Agreed. I still love Agatha but it’s just kinda got me like ? At the end

[tidal surge]

Yeah fr

[radiant mortar]

I am thinking if Nick wouldve let Agatha killed those Tavern witches, he could have live 🤔

[inner umbra]

he was on borrowed time. he wasn't supposed to live through childbirth according to the exchange between rio and agatha, so no matter what the 2 of them did nick was still going to die and rio could have taken him at any point

who is nick's father >_> is like my question

[brisk ermine]

nobody. like wanda's kids.

[inner umbra]

wanda used magic though. agatha said she didnt use any magic to have a baby

[brisk ermine]

right. he was made from scratch. (if we're talking only about the show here) So theres no father, no umbilical cord xyz

[gaunt barn]

Loved having ghost Agatha.

All the costumes looked great.

When we get Tommy I hope he'll have long hair as (while that was a different body) he had it in WandaVision and it'd be cool to think he grew his out to match his old one.

[gaunt barn]

Agreed. They were kind of serviceable but did basically nothing.

Lilia's 'death' was heartbreaking and the use of Time In A Bottle...

[feral relic]

Just had a tarot reading, and Jesus

😭

[forest mesa]

So who's the better mother Agatha or Wanda

They both destroyed to protect their kids

[tidal surge]

Let's not put two women, two mothers, against each other (Agatha 🤷🏻‍♀️)

[forest mesa]

LMAO

that being said if wanda mind read agatha... lets just say wanda vision wouldnt of ended

[tidal surge]

Whenever they bring Teddy, I kinda hope Billy and him have an enemies to lovers storyline tbh

Cuz like we know they're endgame, let's make it fun and filled with tension

[surreal sundial]

Has there been any word on if we’ll get Wiccan, Speed, and Agatha in Marvel Rivals?

[tidal surge]

Nothing official

Tbh I feel like they'd add quicksilver before they add speed imo

[surreal sundial]

Maybe Agatha can be a Scarlett Witch skin and to your point, if they add Quicksilver then Speed can be a separate skin for him. I would think Wiccan would need his own though.

[tidal surge]

I really don't see them making whole other characters as skins for MR but I guess we'll see

[brisk ermine]

Yeah theyve kinda told us they're against this, to avoid confusion on characters

[tidal surge]

If I had a dollar for every time I saw someone say they should give Spiderman a Miles skin....

I'd burn the stack of cash

[brisk ermine]

Omg and an awful idea at that

[tidal surge]

How does no one see the issue with it 💀

[brisk ermine]

Noir or ben riley make sense

[tidal surge]

Agreed

[forest mesa]

Oh fun fact Eddie was supposed to be teddy but marvel wanted to be mean

[tidal surge]

didn't want to cast two major young avengers roles at the same time*

im fine with that i like that actor but he's not Teddy

people already had problems with Joe as Billy

[forest mesa]

The thing is he was a great casting first Eddie, build, mentality, confidence, unconditional support

[tidal surge]

not build

[forest mesa]

I know people said he didn't "look the role" but lord teddy is a shapeshifter 😭

[dapper summit]

leafy don't say that word...

[tidal surge]

LMAO

[dapper summit]

😭

[forest mesa]

No it's Twitter stuff

[dapper summit]

no, i'm referring to what got caught in auto mod

not whatever yall are talking about

[forest mesa]

Oop

[tidal surge]

Teddy aint supposed to be a twinkle twinkle little star

[dapper summit]

HELP

[forest mesa]

HELP

[tidal surge]

minus the le little star

[forest mesa]

Nah you are so dead wrong 😭

[tidal surge]

i love that the singular isnt allowed but twinks is

[brisk ermine]

i dont get it, can you explain pls

[dapper summit]

gagged is allowed

[dapper summit]

leafy explain to the class.

[forest mesa]

Can we say snatch that wig

Yes we can

[tidal surge]

snatch game