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So basically they don’t untangle/unnerve and remain the way they are and the heroes basically become the residents of that new universe
Yeah but I meant what Le_jinn said of marvel comics having no “ending”
Oh yeah like the comics basically the main timeline 616 comics have a never needing story where it’s just a different threat so the story never ends
Well that's disingenuous, the Web of Life and Destiny is a Multiversal concept and though 2099 receives the brunt of it, it holds the multiverse together, and Eanda's story that I quoted makes three important statements: "Wanda knew she was, in the end, her reality's last line of defense, the only magical force capable of keeping the conflicting timestreams from ripping her world apart." Multiple distinctions between "her reality" and "other Realities": "'But in this world, his castle has been empty for a long time.'
In my world, his castle isn't empty. But it also isn't in Transylvania anymore.
'Oh? Where is it?'
Central Park." (Notably, she would notice the amount of Magic Dracula is using as well) and though these two are very conclusive by themselves I can add Wanda's machinations with the darkhold to save her reality to further solidify the whole "different universe" importance "If she could possess it, delve into and master its mysteries, Wanda suspected she could at long last stop the decay of her universe."
Yeah and she left her reality to go to the new merged reality to fight and save it and get the darkhold to save her universe that is being destroyed
I think when thanos comes Jeff will get the infinity gauntlet
Plus in May interactions she mentions saving the timestream not multiple timestreams single
It would not make a difference before Jeff escaped with mantis and phsylock he broke into the collectors vault and ate everything in there including the infinity stones
Which would mean the Collapsing Universe, where K'un Lun landed, cannot be part of the Present Universe as you have stated so boldly before
Single timestream which is the universe where the game takes place on the present day earth with some mystical locations from the present like kun lun and others from the collapsing timeline
A: we've stated before that interactions often contradict themselves and are not reliable B: timestream, universe, world, and reality are often used interchangeably when the communication does not require hyper specificity or when the characters themselves are unsure of what the situation actually is, and the only thing they know is that they don't share realities
Also with how time happens between travel time itself might be synchronized between universes, time still progresses at the same rate in 2099 even while the heroes are active in Manhattan, Timestream can both mean a single universe, as well as multiple
Look I will just say agree or disagree since we keep doing this I say something then you say something back so I will just try not to mention it much just to stop this
That makes the most sense since heroes can travel to wakanda from both the present day and 2099 without and changes to characters time and age
Thought of the same thing as well
Ok?
Also about the timestream thing: While "timestream" generally refers to the flow of time, in this game, it describes the collision and merging of multiple timelines and realities into a single, fractured state
What's my lore guys since I'm the most important marvel character
One of namors eunuch concubines
I kinda want to see how a 2 peni, 2 namor, 2 mantis comp would go
Lore? Uh Jeff is a god sent from Asgard to be a spy
Hey everyone

Nah 2 invis
I wanna sea just a comp between spider-man venom
Do you think the monster kingdom will be relevant in a future season?
The mantis is specifically because of the ult but two invis sounds strong too
Yeah I could see it being a map
If it isn't in the next 4 seasons I'll actually be annoyed, I want to see the kingdom more and the antics DP and Elsa do there, but I also understand an attempt to not have a single chronoverse appear back to back or otherwise close to each other (unless the story was designed as a 2 parter, looking at the elders)
magik was on the island
Whatever island it could possibly be I'm sure she was slaying, both figuratively and literally if anyone evil was present
Could anyone gift its my bd and my parents are out of town
Is anyone else bothered by Moon Knight's characterization in this game? His edge seems to be played for laughs and I can't see any mention of Steven or Jake besides that one voice line (that is also played for laughs)
Moon Knight is weird when it comes to serious characterization, Steven and Jake have been used to mess with Spider-Man, and Taskmaster outright refuses to fight him because of just how insane he is, down to flying a plane into the guy, which is also meant to be highly comedic, that and how memeable his panels are (5 Dollars, and Random Bull&#!%) make him be seen as far less serious, and the Rivals Devs are known to frequently reference memes (Low Taper Fade for Blade and Jeff, and the Umm Actually Venom) so Moon Knight is going to struggle being treated seriously in this enviroment
I know about some of that, but my main exposure to the character was the show, I wish the DID got more spotlight honestly. The devs aren't writing Steven and Jake out of the story or anything but they don't get a SINGLE line? really?
I mean in some moon knight runs he doesn’t even say when he switches personalities. Could be that he switches through different personalities but just doesn’t make a big scene out of it
Possible but the other alters would be masking in that case, as in they'd be trying to act like Marc to not give away they're the one fronting now. Which, yeah, happens but it's probably more likely the writers just don't want to deal with Steven/Jake
I mean not neccecarily. Cause some of moon knights lines are too unserious to be mark. And also up until 2016:s Jeff lemire run Jake lockley was more of a people’s pleaser persona and he could be oddly similar to mark, as seen in vengeance of the moon knight from 2014. So could just me unclear. But yeah no I still agree with them lowballing his character
I found there’s a visual representation of the lore on lorecodex that details each timeline ands who’s from where and alliances
i saw that earlier today and it's decent, but it also makes a bunch of things up
Who would be the most powerful character in game lore wise? Phoenix right?
hmmm i feel like strong contenders might be like hela, strange, wanda, iron fist?, adam, hulk
I think phoenix is the strongest, but all of these u mentioned are strong as well. I'd add angela there as well because of her xiphos and the silk ribbons of heven
Phoenix Wright? (Sorry for the joke)
deadpool we know it's you.
Though, could u elaborate how hulk is that strong? I mean, I partially know what he can do, but I don't think he is as strong as phoenix, hela, wanda or strange, no?
I mean, he defeated the one below all (I think he's called that way) (Maybe I'm onto something rn)
Oh I thought u meant the one above all lol. Though I never knew he actually killed one below all, is it from hulk comics?
(Sorry if I'm missinformating too)
Nah it's alright. Though I'm still not sure how he compares to the others I mentioned, from what the other person said
I searched it up, he hasn't defeated him, but Hulk can fight him without problem, and yes, is the hulk of the cómics
Well if he was fighting him with no problem, it means he is stronger than one below all no?
I don't know how scaling works, but I THINK is that way
Phoenix gotta be top 1 lore wise, top 2 wanda ig?
Well just think about it, if he was fighting one below all with no problem, this must mean that he is atleast slightly stronger
Maybe I'm saying trash atp, but, Gambit without the inhibitors in his brain (or something like that) he could be in that top
From what I know about hulk, he could be in the top 10. If I had to make it, then phoenix would be 1st BY FAR, in the top 10 we can also put magik, wanda, strange, hulk as we just mentioned, and some other
lore-wise, highest form of phoenix, The White Phoenix of the Crown, has apeiron level of power if we look at power scaling
the one below all is just an aspect of the one above all, Hulk didn't defeat it exactly because it's not something you can defeat, but he did effectively seal it away
regardless, the Hulk is still one of the strongest ones there is
Which place in top 10 characters from marvel rivals lore wise would u place him
top 3
I’m assuming he’s on 3rd place then
im sure some would argue otherwise but i'm not into powerscaling so i dont really care either way tbh
Well I mean the top 2 is pretty hard to beat with them being multiversal+, but I’d say hulk earned his place in the top
Loki can copy anyone plus isn’t he god of stories
In the avengers PvP the announcer is him labelled as god of stories
its weird because that's been the goal of Rivals Loki but he hasnt achieved it yet
I mean
It’s pretty clear that the avengers pvp isn’t canon
well, the gallery card mentions Rivals Loki watching the events of his doomsday variant
making the avengers pvp just a different timeline thats otherwise irrelevant to rivals lore
regardless we just lack info either way to say confidently what's going on and how relevant it is
No that’s talking about the Loki variant from the show watching what happened to the prime Loki
Not anyone, because there are exceptions, and his cloning ability isn't as good as it looks. God of stories yes
Loki could take 3rd place instead of hulk, some would argue that maybe 2nd
if we are talking lore wise
yeah i mean that doesnt really make any sense because for one, they both experienced the same events, it was after this that they split off, and he calls the Loki his variant when in fact HE is the variant, created when the avengers went back in time to get the stones
All variants call each other variant because unless they are aware that they are the true prime version (for the MCU, the sacred timeline versions, which cannot interact with the others without becoming a variant) they will usually still rather consider themselves the original, even the TVA Loki calls other Lokis "Variants of Me"
Anyway I am late to the discussion but God of Stories Loki, White Queen Phoenix, and Sinister Strange are who I can think of the top of my head for top 3 characters lore wise being Multiversal level beings but nothing higher, though Living Tribunal Adam is weird lore wise as though the 8 Cosmic beings that the Living Tribunal is a part of seem to be Multiversal they don't really have a lot of power to use without condition, the living Tribunal has immense power vut is seemingly bound to the trials and has often been defeated by relatively weak beings when talking about multiversal level threaths
But herald of the 4th Cosmos, Scarlet Witch also has insane power, and boosted Gambit (Herald of Galactus Gambit) and Spider-Man (Cosmic Spider) are other instances of really powerful versions of characters
Thing is, when looking at variants of characters we can go literally anywhere, so let's look first at only the characters currently in game, and I'd give it to Phoenix and Venom ... if the latter did claim the King in Black title
yeah if we're going with the strongest versions then in a timeline that was averted, TOBA Hulk wipes out the entire eighth cosmos, then continues onto the ninth cosmos and wipes that out too lol
Yeah
Again, if we are going base/playable characters, Phoenix and Venom (if he claimed the title) are top 2 as Primordial Forces, if we add versions that are available as Skins God of Stories Loki joins the top ranks while many characters climb many spots as well
I keep thinking of this, because like Omega level Mutants are annoying to powerscale (give me literal freezing he'll IceMan PLEASE) and Storm navigated Krakoa and Arakko through the Entanglement, and Wanda is literally keeping a universe from Collapsing, but like, does this mean anything for literal Multiversal Constant Phoenix? Or force equivalent to the Beyonders King in Black title that should be Venom's right now?
idk she was dealing with Knull and doing other stuff out in the universe
I'll agree that they're all multiversal, but white phoenix is a lot higher than that
white phoenix resides in the white hot room, which is above the marvel multiverse and acts as a nexus of all realities
She is basically one with the WHR, and it's located outside of time and space from the multiverse
I ranked her that high because she was literally holding universes in the palm of her hand and bringing them back to life, and the only way to actually defeat her is ultimate destruction of all life, because she is a conceptual being of life and rebirth, she is fully immortal as long as life exists in any form in the multiverse
Hey is the heart of heaven in the kun lun mountains since they were forced out of there pocket dimension early
Hey appreciate your feedback. Unfortunately I think I sourced some info from incorrect wikis and things sometimes are inaccurate. Could you lmk which things are misinfo so I can correct?
if you want there are videos that explain the lore of the game and the characters the 2 i reccomend are just wessin and osuchin
is it good if I dm you? I can go through it more thoroughly tomorrow but I have some immediately feedback I can give on it
yupp
sent a friend request since you have dms set to friends only
Can ironman Stops viltrumites? no Godkiller Armor
No viltrumites are already seen to be extremely durable and almost unkillable and iron man has never faced anyone like him but depending on which one like if it was 616 iron man then he can kill some viltrumites since he has had experience and time and fought bigger bads than viltrumites
Also if we are talking 616 iron man I am sure he has some sonic armour and weapons that can hurt viltrumites and even if not he has his mysteriam suit which is invulnerable and impossible to destroy and can likely kill many viltrumites
Why does squirrel girl wear thigh high socks
Can Ragnar's kill viltrumites?
Yes they can rip them apart very easily you should watch the show to see it they even ripped out conquest eye and ripped off his arm but to be fair he was infected by the scourge virus but still
Can scorpion from mortal Kombat beat a viltrumite
Maybe
Okay yeah scorpion can win but that's if which ever viltrumite he is against his hellfire is supernatural potentially bypass durability
Doomsday movie is going to be a disappointment or a mid movie
Even with errors this is really cool (and the other ones that are up are also cool, Overwatch is also a funky thing so it's nice this exists) as for what I believe may have caused some of the confusion in the Wiki's "traits" which are things actually in the game, but that are not used for the lore, instead being used for Achievments, with that list being referred to when seeing if you complete one, like Storm's assisting X-Men or the Guardians of the Galaxy assisting each other. The main reason I notice that is Marvel Knights that have the "trait" and the Ultron Files mention of Widow being a part of them, but no single other appearance so yeah, hope this does help
The Marvel Knights has been fixed I see, neat, good to see the work progress making this cleaner and accurate: )
I am still sad the Eternity Knights got shunned for blood hunt, I like their choices but like, having the canon squad would have been cool
They probably just couldn’t get iron man to work which
Yeah I don’t think any flyers would ever
Not to say that’s the only reason they used basically the same roster
yeah, i've been leaving feedback with him and he's also made a discord for the site to leave feedback in
Any lore in the new vampire mode for characters? I remember zombies had character bios and jeff became the king of atlantis
the difference is that zombies was non-canon/a different timeline hence there was bios justifying why these characters were involved
blood hunt IS canon so there's no extra lore here, these characters are the same ones involved in the rest of the story
who is better for spidey mj or black cat?
... that is a debate I am not touching with a 10 foot pole, not only could I get crucified, inconsistent writing and so many other things make this a genuinely very complex topic . . .
Anyway... New Marauders vs Guardians of the Galaxy, which of the two groups clears out a vault faster? For the sake of minimizing confusion, New Marauders is all 6 characters with a skin in the theme + Jeff, and Guardians of the Galaxy is the 5 in the game + Drax and Gamora (so 7 and 7)
The vault is guarded by an average military faction's (SHIELD, NOVA, or other) regular vault protection team (so like 10 guys with guns?)
guardians for sure
my bad i had no idea it was dat deep i just wanna give spidey someone to love on my island cuz he got rejected by velma
Is Emma frost a man
of course he is, look at those thighs
What is the "war of the realms" theme supposed to even be based on
The literal comic event
You think I read comics
You asked I answered, I haven’t read that event I just know it exists so I can’t say anything about it
I feel like the guardians would do that for a living
ok but, Tony, Punisher and Deadpool have insane fire power for forceful entries, and Emma and Psylocke have perfect stealth tools, not counting infinite eating space Jeffy
Dead chat lol
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So is the whole reason these events even happen is because Doom is essentially holding a grudge against the multiverse?
I mean ... sort of? Two Dooms being Doom cause a massive event, and the ramifications lead to various effects, how much a Doom involves themselves in each specific event varies, Doom gave Dracula the idea for Eternal Night, Ultron's Hellfire attack was entirely caused by Doom 2099's actions, and it's Doom that both calls the tournament for the power of Shou Lao and put Loki as a champion, but every other event has happened irregardless of Doom outside of the Catalyst being caused by Doom, the Entanglement awoke Knull but everything there would have happened irregardless of Dooms meddling, the Incursion happens because of the Entanglement but everything else is Kingpin's design and both things with the Elders of the Universe were only because of the Elders of the Universe even if for all 4 of those events listed not caused by them a Doom is gaining something
So it's Kingpin wanting to expand beyond the multiverse and the different versions of doom being petty?
Nah, it's the Doom's being too ambitious while Cosmic beings and Kingpin try to make the best of their situations, for Kingpin that means consolidating his power over Manhattan
you mentioned a Discord right? do you know where I could find it, I have a suggestion I tought of when looking at the 2 Dooms actions throughtout the seasons
i can dm you the invite
sure, thanks
Hi
hmm
Drax found dead in lower Manhattan 🙏
A season with sabretooth and kraven with the name THE HUNT IS ON would’ve been wayyyy better
Why is sports team recruiting in lore chat?
Are they st
Bro cooked right here
Yeah that or sinister Six season would be cool
I totally agree
I would love to see gorilla-man
Say Panini Parmesan if you’re a real human
that sounds so good rn
There’s literally two members already in the game
right and we need more (ps its 3)
I refuse to believe there were agents of atlas fans before rivals. They’re only in the game because of the nepo child that is Luna
Agreed
They certainly weren't well known but reminder that they include Iron Fist, and though Lin Lie has always been controversial he is a large enough character to call attention to his team
I actually like lin lie, when rivals launched I was wondering “since when did Danny have black hair?” Then realised it was some other guy but got used to him. I still don’t like the rest of the agents of atlas tho
I really like White Fox personally, she is by all means a literal set piece, but the fact she not only exists but does her job as a world building tool very effectively makes me very happy, though that just might be the story teller in me
That might partly be because rivals white fox is a massive upgrade from comics, especially in terms of design where she used to look like someone’s bad oc with a generic superhero bodysuit
you think Green Goblin charging up those villains with the Goblin Formula is a hint to his potential playstyle
(assuming he's coming)
honestly, I'm starting to believe he actually will be a strategist
The Goblin Formula gives him regenerative healing (in addition to super intelligence, strength, durability, agility etc.)
so maybe he'll use a lessened version of it to buff his team mates if he is playable.
Was Ami on AoA? I thought she was just Tiger Division
She's ... not officially a member as far as I can tell, but she is a close friend of every member and is often participating in their missions, out of her 7 comic appearances, 1 was Black Cat, 2 were Tiger Division and the other 4 were all Agents of Atlas as someone participating in the missions
Oh, and that's not counting either of her pre AoA appearances that are her true "OC" looks being a Korean exclusive comic and a game tie in comic for a game she is not even in
tried being more accurate and checked an appearance list, grouping series together as one she has: Her debut series, the Contest of Champions tie in, Agents of Atlas, Atlantis Attack (an Agents of Atlas story) her Infinity comic that really finalized her origin, Tiger Division, and Doom Division (a Tiger Division tie in to a Doom event) not counting cameos in other comics or her recent appearances in Lin Lie's most recent comics, so her membership is seemingly not solid, but she is an ally as frequent as the team itself
Anyone with lord spidey on Xbox?
What's this dark theory, man?
@lapis vessel
any comic nerd here? just curious how strong is SG actually? i was curious and did some quick google search i though all she can do is communicate with squirrels and thats it turns out shes very powerfull and can beat most of the avengers atleast google said that lol
Same with Jeff and squirrel girl. How many cancelled comics book runs.
She's kind of a joke character. She's called the unbeatable squirrel girl bcus she beats pretty much every character, but it always happens "off screen" so you never see it lol
does that mean shes actually weak and a meme or shes actually the real deal xD because even in marvel rivals she has lines where she says she beats thanos and galactus or something like that lmao
Sorta in between. Its technically canon that she's beat those characters, but as far as I know it doesn't affect anything outside of her own comics and media XD
hm okey i see thanks shes just fun in blood hunt so was tryina to get a bit more info on her 😄 even tho i rarely play her outside of blood hunt
Punisher vs Bullseye who wins
def me
I’ve actually heard of those 2 before rivals. Characters like Luna were made by Netease for a mobile game
Everyone's heard of squirrel girl but nobody bought her books. Run after run with bad art, nobody liked her really until rivals
Squirrel Girl is also a well known Joke character, most fans genuinely did not care about her before because she didn't matter for any relevant story
Squirrel girl is actually a beast lmao
Shes canonically beat galactus and dr doom before
she is a menace
a week to season 8 ... and I think we are still unsure of where our next stop is actually, the teasers say the characters are Cyclops and Devil Dino, but where do we go? Is it to 2099 to fight Alchemax from the other side of the incursion that was stopped? Or is it to some version of the Savage Lands? (I'd bet Mosaic or Collapsing for that one, but that one could genuinely be anywhere)
Guys chant for dictator hulk skin with me
the beast inside me or something
In the Rivals Universe the hand was attacking New York City. Matt did the best he could, but eventually The Hand (worshippers of “the beast”) took down the rest of the heroes, leaving just him.
ooo the hand
(specifically that was in the collapsing timeline)
So, he sought to take out their master/the one they worshipped, “the beast.” To do this, Matt had to travel to hell. He traversed to the deep pits to fight the beast. (His line: “I traveled to hell, and I’d gladly do it again if it helps.”) Eventually, he defeated it. In doing this, he absorbed the power of the beast. He wasn’t possessed, but he simply absorbed the powers of the beast completely.
hmm ok
Then, after this, (I don’t really remember exactly how), he ended up in the eighth capital city of Heven, An’Hay-Zhidi. He realized that they needed a hero to save the people of the city. The Immortal Beast of An’Hay-Zhidi, Yinglong, realizing that he could manipulate Matt into helping him break the seal of the God of War, Chiyou, tricks him iirc into becoming his Immortal Weapon, and turning him into to Dizang.
An’Hay-Zhidi isn’t really a capital city of Heven, but it like, is kinda, sorta.
That's aura ngl he outlasted all the NYC heroes
He ended up meeting Yinglong in hell as he was a captive of the beast irrc and that's how he ended up in the eight city as yinglong promised him to help him control the beasts powers and save the world
i wouldnt say Yinglong tricked Matt or turned him into Dizang, he's doing that of his own choice to help people and provide a sanctuary via the eighth city, and he knows that something doesn't add up with Yingling
Oh yeah you’re right
Now that I’m thinking about it
When Matt defeated The Beast, that was what freed Yinglong
Yeah that’s fair
Most of this was from what I remembered from reading the in-game lore and some stuff from the wiki
I have a theory about Deadpool, in his idle animation on the home screen, he inhales his gun smoke. Gun smoke contains lead, which can lead to lead poisoning. Maybe the reason Deadpool is the way he is, is because he has lead poisoning
i have a question did fisk arrest luna snow during her 8th anniversary concert? i kinda think so cuz of disco magik and star lord's mvps
I believe that is the case yes, and then after they get broken out she joins White Fox at ESU (hence the cosmetic set)
Yo
Best thing he ever did
i don wanna question a leader of a secret organization but i dunno if it was best to have a kpop star hide by just putting a blue wig on her. kpop fans be crazy (said by a kpop fan)
Let me be honest, none of their disguises are good at hiding how they normally look like (except maybe Strange's, you'd be surprised how much power a Grey beard has) she is riding on the hope that the fans understand she is hiding for a reason (at least the superhero ban is public knowledge) and don't out her
Nah Rocket's disguise is the best at hiding. I thought they added a new character without telling us the first time I saw a rocket with that skin.
The Elsa lore is making me ship her with Thor 👀
That's one of the many things wrong with him
His body overtime being a mercenary replaced damaged tissue with more and more of his cancerous tissue
regeneration better than wolverine so he suffers longer
lot of traumatizing stuff and existential dread