#lore-chat

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severe river
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I meant the ending to the games story and I think they defeat doom and save the multiverse but the heroes and there new universe remain

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So basically they don’t untangle/unnerve and remain the way they are and the heroes basically become the residents of that new universe

chilly nacelle
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Yeah but I meant what Le_jinn said of marvel comics having no “ending”

severe river
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Oh yeah like the comics basically the main timeline 616 comics have a never needing story where it’s just a different threat so the story never ends

stray flower
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Well that's disingenuous, the Web of Life and Destiny is a Multiversal concept and though 2099 receives the brunt of it, it holds the multiverse together, and Eanda's story that I quoted makes three important statements: "Wanda knew she was, in the end, her reality's last line of defense, the only magical force capable of keeping the conflicting timestreams from ripping her world apart." Multiple distinctions between "her reality" and "other Realities": "'But in this world, his castle has been empty for a long time.'

In my world, his castle isn't empty. But it also isn't in Transylvania anymore.

'Oh? Where is it?'

Central Park." (Notably, she would notice the amount of Magic Dracula is using as well) and though these two are very conclusive by themselves I can add Wanda's machinations with the darkhold to save her reality to further solidify the whole "different universe" importance "If she could possess it, delve into and master its mysteries, Wanda suspected she could at long last stop the decay of her universe."

severe river
ember moon
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I think when thanos comes Jeff will get the infinity gauntlet

severe river
severe river
stray flower
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Which would mean the Collapsing Universe, where K'un Lun landed, cannot be part of the Present Universe as you have stated so boldly before

severe river
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Single timestream which is the universe where the game takes place on the present day earth with some mystical locations from the present like kun lun and others from the collapsing timeline

stray flower
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Also with how time happens between travel time itself might be synchronized between universes, time still progresses at the same rate in 2099 even while the heroes are active in Manhattan, Timestream can both mean a single universe, as well as multiple

severe river
severe river
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Thought of the same thing as well

severe river
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Also about the timestream thing: While "timestream" generally refers to the flow of time, in this game, it describes the collision and merging of multiple timelines and realities into a single, fractured state

low crag
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What's my lore guys since I'm the most important marvel character

simple storm
surreal rock
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I kinda want to see how a 2 peni, 2 namor, 2 mantis comp would go

crisp kernel
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Lore? Uh Jeff is a god sent from Asgard to be a spy

signal prism
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Hey everyone

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severe river
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I wanna sea just a comp between spider-man venom

simple storm
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Do you think the monster kingdom will be relevant in a future season?

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stray flower
unkempt canyon
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magik was on the island

stray flower
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Whatever island it could possibly be I'm sure she was slaying, both figuratively and literally if anyone evil was present

royal vortex
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Could anyone gift its my bd and my parents are out of town

sly pulsar
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Is anyone else bothered by Moon Knight's characterization in this game? His edge seems to be played for laughs and I can't see any mention of Steven or Jake besides that one voice line (that is also played for laughs)

stray flower
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Moon Knight is weird when it comes to serious characterization, Steven and Jake have been used to mess with Spider-Man, and Taskmaster outright refuses to fight him because of just how insane he is, down to flying a plane into the guy, which is also meant to be highly comedic, that and how memeable his panels are (5 Dollars, and Random Bull&#!%) make him be seen as far less serious, and the Rivals Devs are known to frequently reference memes (Low Taper Fade for Blade and Jeff, and the Umm Actually Venom) so Moon Knight is going to struggle being treated seriously in this enviroment

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lilac barn
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I mean in some moon knight runs he doesn’t even say when he switches personalities. Could be that he switches through different personalities but just doesn’t make a big scene out of it

sly pulsar
lilac barn
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I mean not neccecarily. Cause some of moon knights lines are too unserious to be mark. And also up until 2016:s Jeff lemire run Jake lockley was more of a people’s pleaser persona and he could be oddly similar to mark, as seen in vengeance of the moon knight from 2014. So could just me unclear. But yeah no I still agree with them lowballing his character

simple storm
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I found there’s a visual representation of the lore on lorecodex that details each timeline ands who’s from where and alliances

worn lichen
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i saw that earlier today and it's decent, but it also makes a bunch of things up

languid tree
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Who would be the most powerful character in game lore wise? Phoenix right?

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languid tree
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languid tree
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Phoenix gotta be top 1 lore wise, top 2 wanda ig?

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languid tree
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lore-wise, highest form of phoenix, The White Phoenix of the Crown, has apeiron level of power if we look at power scaling

worn lichen
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the one below all is just an aspect of the one above all, Hulk didn't defeat it exactly because it's not something you can defeat, but he did effectively seal it away

regardless, the Hulk is still one of the strongest ones there is

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worn lichen
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top 3

languid tree
worn lichen
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im sure some would argue otherwise but i'm not into powerscaling so i dont really care either way tbh

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simple storm
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Loki can copy anyone plus isn’t he god of stories

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In the avengers PvP the announcer is him labelled as god of stories

worn lichen
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its weird because that's been the goal of Rivals Loki but he hasnt achieved it yet

rapid bay
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I mean
It’s pretty clear that the avengers pvp isn’t canon

worn lichen
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well, the gallery card mentions Rivals Loki watching the events of his doomsday variant

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making the avengers pvp just a different timeline thats otherwise irrelevant to rivals lore

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regardless we just lack info either way to say confidently what's going on and how relevant it is

rapid bay
languid tree
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Loki could take 3rd place instead of hulk, some would argue that maybe 2nd

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if we are talking lore wise

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stray flower
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All variants call each other variant because unless they are aware that they are the true prime version (for the MCU, the sacred timeline versions, which cannot interact with the others without becoming a variant) they will usually still rather consider themselves the original, even the TVA Loki calls other Lokis "Variants of Me"

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Anyway I am late to the discussion but God of Stories Loki, White Queen Phoenix, and Sinister Strange are who I can think of the top of my head for top 3 characters lore wise being Multiversal level beings but nothing higher, though Living Tribunal Adam is weird lore wise as though the 8 Cosmic beings that the Living Tribunal is a part of seem to be Multiversal they don't really have a lot of power to use without condition, the living Tribunal has immense power vut is seemingly bound to the trials and has often been defeated by relatively weak beings when talking about multiversal level threaths

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But herald of the 4th Cosmos, Scarlet Witch also has insane power, and boosted Gambit (Herald of Galactus Gambit) and Spider-Man (Cosmic Spider) are other instances of really powerful versions of characters

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Thing is, when looking at variants of characters we can go literally anywhere, so let's look first at only the characters currently in game, and I'd give it to Phoenix and Venom ... if the latter did claim the King in Black title

worn lichen
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yeah if we're going with the strongest versions then in a timeline that was averted, TOBA Hulk wipes out the entire eighth cosmos, then continues onto the ninth cosmos and wipes that out too lol

stray flower
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Yeah

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Again, if we are going base/playable characters, Phoenix and Venom (if he claimed the title) are top 2 as Primordial Forces, if we add versions that are available as Skins God of Stories Loki joins the top ranks while many characters climb many spots as well

stray flower
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I keep thinking of this, because like Omega level Mutants are annoying to powerscale (give me literal freezing he'll IceMan PLEASE) and Storm navigated Krakoa and Arakko through the Entanglement, and Wanda is literally keeping a universe from Collapsing, but like, does this mean anything for literal Multiversal Constant Phoenix? Or force equivalent to the Beyonders King in Black title that should be Venom's right now?

worn lichen
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idk she was dealing with Knull and doing other stuff out in the universe

languid tree
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white phoenix resides in the white hot room, which is above the marvel multiverse and acts as a nexus of all realities

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She is basically one with the WHR, and it's located outside of time and space from the multiverse

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I ranked her that high because she was literally holding universes in the palm of her hand and bringing them back to life, and the only way to actually defeat her is ultimate destruction of all life, because she is a conceptual being of life and rebirth, she is fully immortal as long as life exists in any form in the multiverse

severe river
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Hey is the heart of heaven in the kun lun mountains since they were forced out of there pocket dimension early

atomic ferry
severe river
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if you want there are videos that explain the lore of the game and the characters the 2 i reccomend are just wessin and osuchin

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compact gust
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Can ironman Stops viltrumites? no Godkiller Armor

severe river
# compact gust Can ironman Stops viltrumites? no Godkiller Armor

No viltrumites are already seen to be extremely durable and almost unkillable and iron man has never faced anyone like him but depending on which one like if it was 616 iron man then he can kill some viltrumites since he has had experience and time and fought bigger bads than viltrumites

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Also if we are talking 616 iron man I am sure he has some sonic armour and weapons that can hurt viltrumites and even if not he has his mysteriam suit which is invulnerable and impossible to destroy and can likely kill many viltrumites

low crag
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Why does squirrel girl wear thigh high socks

severe river
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Yes they can rip them apart very easily you should watch the show to see it they even ripped out conquest eye and ripped off his arm but to be fair he was infected by the scourge virus but still

low crag
severe river
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Maybe

low crag
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Okay yeah scorpion can win but that's if which ever viltrumite he is against his hellfire is supernatural potentially bypass durability

tropic niche
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Doomsday movie is going to be a disappointment or a mid movie

stray flower
# atomic ferry Hey appreciate your feedback. Unfortunately I think I sourced some info from inc...

Even with errors this is really cool (and the other ones that are up are also cool, Overwatch is also a funky thing so it's nice this exists) as for what I believe may have caused some of the confusion in the Wiki's "traits" which are things actually in the game, but that are not used for the lore, instead being used for Achievments, with that list being referred to when seeing if you complete one, like Storm's assisting X-Men or the Guardians of the Galaxy assisting each other. The main reason I notice that is Marvel Knights that have the "trait" and the Ultron Files mention of Widow being a part of them, but no single other appearance so yeah, hope this does help

stray flower
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The Marvel Knights has been fixed I see, neat, good to see the work progress making this cleaner and accurate: )

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I am still sad the Eternity Knights got shunned for blood hunt, I like their choices but like, having the canon squad would have been cool

rapid bay
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Not to say that’s the only reason they used basically the same roster

worn lichen
modern flint
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Any lore in the new vampire mode for characters? I remember zombies had character bios and jeff became the king of atlantis

worn lichen
marsh sand
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who is better for spidey mj or black cat?

stray flower
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... that is a debate I am not touching with a 10 foot pole, not only could I get crucified, inconsistent writing and so many other things make this a genuinely very complex topic . . .

Anyway... New Marauders vs Guardians of the Galaxy, which of the two groups clears out a vault faster? For the sake of minimizing confusion, New Marauders is all 6 characters with a skin in the theme + Jeff, and Guardians of the Galaxy is the 5 in the game + Drax and Gamora (so 7 and 7)

The vault is guarded by an average military faction's (SHIELD, NOVA, or other) regular vault protection team (so like 10 guys with guns?)

worn lichen
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guardians for sure

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low crag
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Is Emma frost a man

zealous spruce
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of course he is, look at those thighs

somber latch
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What is the "war of the realms" theme supposed to even be based on

simple storm
somber latch
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You think I read comics

simple storm
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You asked I answered, I haven’t read that event I just know it exists so I can’t say anything about it

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stray flower
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ok but, Tony, Punisher and Deadpool have insane fire power for forceful entries, and Emma and Psylocke have perfect stealth tools, not counting infinite eating space Jeffy

agile marsh
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Dead chat lol

normal cedar
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Hello can I have Someone that can teach me very well dm me please

vivid rain
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So is the whole reason these events even happen is because Doom is essentially holding a grudge against the multiverse?

stray flower
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I mean ... sort of? Two Dooms being Doom cause a massive event, and the ramifications lead to various effects, how much a Doom involves themselves in each specific event varies, Doom gave Dracula the idea for Eternal Night, Ultron's Hellfire attack was entirely caused by Doom 2099's actions, and it's Doom that both calls the tournament for the power of Shou Lao and put Loki as a champion, but every other event has happened irregardless of Doom outside of the Catalyst being caused by Doom, the Entanglement awoke Knull but everything there would have happened irregardless of Dooms meddling, the Incursion happens because of the Entanglement but everything else is Kingpin's design and both things with the Elders of the Universe were only because of the Elders of the Universe even if for all 4 of those events listed not caused by them a Doom is gaining something

vivid rain
stray flower
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Nah, it's the Doom's being too ambitious while Cosmic beings and Kingpin try to make the best of their situations, for Kingpin that means consolidating his power over Manhattan

stray flower
stray flower
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sure, thanks

bright current
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Hi

grim plinth
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hmm

abstract plover
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Drax found dead in lower Manhattan 🙏

quaint lance
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A season with sabretooth and kraven with the name THE HUNT IS ON would’ve been wayyyy better

indigo drift
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Why is sports team recruiting in lore chat?

Are they st

olive torrent
soft dome
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so

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we need some agent of atlas recognition

olive torrent
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I would love to see gorilla-man

indigo drift
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Say Panini Parmesan if you’re a real human

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simple storm
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I refuse to believe there were agents of atlas fans before rivals. They’re only in the game because of the nepo child that is Luna

somber latch
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Agreed

stray flower
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They certainly weren't well known but reminder that they include Iron Fist, and though Lin Lie has always been controversial he is a large enough character to call attention to his team

simple storm
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I actually like lin lie, when rivals launched I was wondering “since when did Danny have black hair?” Then realised it was some other guy but got used to him. I still don’t like the rest of the agents of atlas tho

stray flower
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I really like White Fox personally, she is by all means a literal set piece, but the fact she not only exists but does her job as a world building tool very effectively makes me very happy, though that just might be the story teller in me

simple storm
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That might partly be because rivals white fox is a massive upgrade from comics, especially in terms of design where she used to look like someone’s bad oc with a generic superhero bodysuit

gilded blade
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you think Green Goblin charging up those villains with the Goblin Formula is a hint to his potential playstyle
(assuming he's coming)

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honestly, I'm starting to believe he actually will be a strategist
The Goblin Formula gives him regenerative healing (in addition to super intelligence, strength, durability, agility etc.)
so maybe he'll use a lessened version of it to buff his team mates if he is playable.

rapid bay
stray flower
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She's ... not officially a member as far as I can tell, but she is a close friend of every member and is often participating in their missions, out of her 7 comic appearances, 1 was Black Cat, 2 were Tiger Division and the other 4 were all Agents of Atlas as someone participating in the missions

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Oh, and that's not counting either of her pre AoA appearances that are her true "OC" looks being a Korean exclusive comic and a game tie in comic for a game she is not even in

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tried being more accurate and checked an appearance list, grouping series together as one she has: Her debut series, the Contest of Champions tie in, Agents of Atlas, Atlantis Attack (an Agents of Atlas story) her Infinity comic that really finalized her origin, Tiger Division, and Doom Division (a Tiger Division tie in to a Doom event) not counting cameos in other comics or her recent appearances in Lin Lie's most recent comics, so her membership is seemingly not solid, but she is an ally as frequent as the team itself

kind yarrow
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Anyone with lord spidey on Xbox?

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flat wasp
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any comic nerd here? just curious how strong is SG actually? i was curious and did some quick google search i though all she can do is communicate with squirrels and thats it turns out shes very powerfull and can beat most of the avengers atleast google said that lol

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flat wasp
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hm okey i see thanks shes just fun in blood hunt so was tryina to get a bit more info on her 😄 even tho i rarely play her outside of blood hunt

compact gust
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Punisher vs Bullseye who wins

violet pike
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def me

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stray flower
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Squirrel Girl is also a well known Joke character, most fans genuinely did not care about her before because she didn't matter for any relevant story

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stray flower
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she is a menace

stray flower
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a week to season 8 ... and I think we are still unsure of where our next stop is actually, the teasers say the characters are Cyclops and Devil Dino, but where do we go? Is it to 2099 to fight Alchemax from the other side of the incursion that was stopped? Or is it to some version of the Savage Lands? (I'd bet Mosaic or Collapsing for that one, but that one could genuinely be anywhere)

paper raft
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Guys chant for dictator hulk skin with me

versed nest
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Man

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I really like rivals version of DD’s lore

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I think it’s really cool

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Okay so

wraith bobcat
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the beast inside me or something

versed nest
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In the Rivals Universe the hand was attacking New York City. Matt did the best he could, but eventually The Hand (worshippers of “the beast”) took down the rest of the heroes, leaving just him.

wraith bobcat
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ooo the hand

worn lichen
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(specifically that was in the collapsing timeline)

versed nest
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So, he sought to take out their master/the one they worshipped, “the beast.” To do this, Matt had to travel to hell. He traversed to the deep pits to fight the beast. (His line: “I traveled to hell, and I’d gladly do it again if it helps.”) Eventually, he defeated it. In doing this, he absorbed the power of the beast. He wasn’t possessed, but he simply absorbed the powers of the beast completely.

wraith bobcat
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hmm ok

versed nest
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Then, after this, (I don’t really remember exactly how), he ended up in the eighth capital city of Heven, An’Hay-Zhidi. He realized that they needed a hero to save the people of the city. The Immortal Beast of An’Hay-Zhidi, Yinglong, realizing that he could manipulate Matt into helping him break the seal of the God of War, Chiyou, tricks him iirc into becoming his Immortal Weapon, and turning him into to Dizang.

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An’Hay-Zhidi isn’t really a capital city of Heven, but it like, is kinda, sorta.

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worn lichen
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i wouldnt say Yinglong tricked Matt or turned him into Dizang, he's doing that of his own choice to help people and provide a sanctuary via the eighth city, and he knows that something doesn't add up with Yingling

versed nest
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Now that I’m thinking about it

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When Matt defeated The Beast, that was what freed Yinglong

versed nest
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Most of this was from what I remembered from reading the in-game lore and some stuff from the wiki

lone sequoia
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I have a theory about Deadpool, in his idle animation on the home screen, he inhales his gun smoke. Gun smoke contains lead, which can lead to lead poisoning. Maybe the reason Deadpool is the way he is, is because he has lead poisoning

marsh sand
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i have a question did fisk arrest luna snow during her 8th anniversary concert? i kinda think so cuz of disco magik and star lord's mvps

stray flower
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I believe that is the case yes, and then after they get broken out she joins White Fox at ESU (hence the cosmetic set)

placid inlet
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Yo

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stray flower
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Let me be honest, none of their disguises are good at hiding how they normally look like (except maybe Strange's, you'd be surprised how much power a Grey beard has) she is riding on the hope that the fans understand she is hiding for a reason (at least the superhero ban is public knowledge) and don't out her

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mortal plinth
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The Elsa lore is making me ship her with Thor 👀

alpine crater
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His body overtime being a mercenary replaced damaged tissue with more and more of his cancerous tissue
regeneration better than wolverine so he suffers longer

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lot of traumatizing stuff and existential dread