general-2

[gaunt fractal]

i actually have no idea how this happened

if it's ru in radical red

where it gets free life orb

then who knows how bad it can be in vanilla

[limpid jolt]

heres the thing tho

thats vanilla

with the shit mons

he basically didnt change

[gaunt fractal]

yeah true

but uh

what the hell

and it still has competitive and marvel scale

like ok ou for 12 generations

60% burn chance

[limpid jolt]

my fav sevii form by far

that and carnivine

[gaunt fractal]

this is the type of pokemon that becomes more and more apparently broken the longer the metagame goes on for

like after it's current gen

[limpid jolt]

melmetal has iron fist again

🙏

[gaunt fractal]

didn't like the nerf didn't like that they reverted it

@void aurora turns out xurk is actually UUBL with the 98 base speed thing

kekw

[karmic elm]

J#

[void aurora]

?

[gaunt fractal]

and that's in an extremely powercrept metagame

[limpid jolt]

xurk only needed good speed

[void aurora]

huge

[limpid jolt]

j#

[gaunt fractal]

like rr is so nasty

and somehow ursaluna is ou

[limpid jolt]

im really not surprised ursaluna is ou

[gaunt fractal]

like i fear that ursaluna wouldn't be good enough for ou even in like current gen 8

but rr ou is insane

and it didn't even get anything

like idk if it got gunk shot before but that's not even like a move it would usually run

[limpid jolt]

you know your ou is powercrept when kartana is uubl

[void aurora]

??????

??????

[gaunt fractal]

i remember kartana getting blademaster

[void aurora]

??????

?????

WHAT

[gaunt fractal]

idk when was that

goddess do you wanna see how insane radical red ou is

[void aurora]

UUBL KARTANA

NO

WHAT

[void aurora]

WHAT THE FUCJ

[limpid jolt]

radical red is extremely stupid with tiering

[void aurora]

FAIRY GROUND

[gaunt fractal]

mega audino has regenerator and alomomola is ou bc of it

[void aurora]

nah

nah

[limpid jolt]

like

[void aurora]

shore up

[limpid jolt]

drapion makes sense to be ou

[gaunt fractal]

with serene grace scorching sands

[limpid jolt]

with what he does

[gaunt fractal]

and 75% healing in sand

WITH DARK HOLE TYRANITAR

surprised drapion is ou bc 80 base attack is really low

[limpid jolt]

i still love seeing castform in uubl with mega mawile

[void aurora]

WHAT IS DARK HOLE????

[gaunt fractal]

and floatzel does a similar thing

[gaunt fractal]

bullshit

[limpid jolt]

dark hole is an attacking move with 40% chance to make the opponent sleep

its broken

[void aurora]

?????????

[gaunt fractal]

thank god

[limpid jolt]

you had to fight the champion with a yveltal spamming that move

it was bs

[gaunt fractal]

@void aurora also enamorus kind of has fleur cannon

although that's obviously not OU

oh yeah

clefable has magic guard light of ruin

which is a 140 bp fairy move

that works like mind blown

[limpid jolt]

bruh

[gaunt fractal]

and it somehow made delphox ubers with mind blown but clefable is allowed

[limpid jolt]

they wanted clef to stay in the meta

istg

did mega kingler always get ice hammer

[gaunt fractal]

yeah

i was wondering why was it OU but it is pretty insane

even after all this time normal zam is still uubl

with no buffs to speak of

[limpid jolt]

gen 8 buffs

[void aurora]

DELPHOX UBERS

who makes this game

[limpid jolt]

LOL

MIND BLOWN MAGIC GUARD

[void aurora]

they gave delphox magic guard.

does she have focus blast

[limpid jolt]

bro who balances this game

[void aurora]

bc that means she can ohko her only hard wall ttar

[limpid jolt]

she might have focus blast

[exotic raft]

i got more juul pods

[gaunt fractal]

they gave it mind blown

[limpid jolt]

no focus blast

ig mind blown just 2 shots ttar

[gaunt fractal]

it has dazzling gleam or something

it's not that strong

[limpid jolt]

it gets gleam

and a super strong future sight

[gaunt fractal]

oh nah fuck you

[limpid jolt]

bro delphox get future teleport spam

[gaunt fractal]

just to make sure that mind blown wasn't enough

also had to be versatile

oh yeah

mew's z move now gives an omniboost

[limpid jolt]

OH IT GETS GRASS KNOT FOR TTAR

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

[void aurora]

ah

fuck

[gaunt fractal]

seeing abomasnow in ou makes me so happy

[limpid jolt]

overqwil had so much potential to be good man

this makes sense

[gaunt fractal]

maybe it's good in the lower tiers

it's honestly mindblowing that it even fits in ou

like i can see that getting banned after a while

[limpid jolt]

why are there 50 ground types in ou

[gaunt fractal]

it has just so many things going for it

why is donphan ou

[limpid jolt]

idk bro

just say cuz of his typing

broken typing in singles istg

[gaunt fractal]

like yeah he kinda has a 150 bp ground move

but he can't be that good

[limpid jolt]

hes such a basic ground type LOL

ig gyro ball and tech ice shard but

thats all i can think of

hes super basic

for a ground type

[gaunt fractal]

oh yeah btw

can we just never talk about this

[gaunt fractal]

technician bonemerang

[limpid jolt]

yeah ik

but like

id rather use lando still

or even mamoswine

uhhh

nvm

did he always get power whip

[gaunt fractal]

no

probably a 3.0 thing

[limpid jolt]

technician rock blast too

ok so like

theres no way

also did you know in vanilla ppl are using spdef garchomp now

[gaunt fractal]

elaborate

[limpid jolt]

i literally have no idea why

went from spdef lando

to spdef garchomp and spdef lando

maybe cuz rotom wash and gastrodon are like

high usage now

only cuz melmetal is breaking everyones teams

[gaunt fractal]

4 months until sv

then we can forget about ss ou

[limpid jolt]

cant wait for sv man

[gaunt fractal]

haven't been keeping up with the leaks because they all suck

[limpid jolt]

so far i think all the leaks look fake

even from mr riddler himself

[gaunt fractal]

yeah and if they aren't, they're being presented in a terrible way

[charred wave]

[gaunt fractal]

so i'd rather have the reactions the dev intended

[charred wave]

@exotic raft you have multiversus?

[exotic raft]

nope

[limpid jolt]

i do believe one tho

[charred wave]

get it when

[limpid jolt]

pawmi becoming into an electric fighting

[exotic raft]

when it comes out

[charred wave]

dam

[exotic raft]

idc abt it that much

[limpid jolt]

then my brother told me that volcarona will get a new form

and i choose not to believe that simply cuz fuck no

[charred wave]

its a good game

really

[gaunt fractal]

can you imagine using 2 different volcs

if only forms weren't considered the same pokemon

[limpid jolt]

it also might not be bug type

so like

ultra no to me thanks

[gaunt fractal]

let's hope it's fairy!!

[limpid jolt]

i had that in my mind to

well if it gets rid of its bug type it might not have quiver dance

[gaunt fractal]

it will almost definitely have it

it's volc's signature move

wasn't it the only one to get it in gen 5?

[limpid jolt]

like man competitive really made me dislike volc

i look at every team and just say

"6-0d by volc" if they dont have a heatran

[limpid jolt]

dont think so

fiery dance is its signature move

[gaunt fractal]

some pokemon get 2

zygarde gets like 3

and 5 forms

[limpid jolt]

quiver dance might as well be

[gaunt fractal]

but no game

[limpid jolt]

doesnt zygarde get 4

istg he has 4

[gaunt fractal]

let me check

it's like core enforcer, thousand arrows and thousand waves

[limpid jolt]

you can clearly tell which pokemon are more loved by gamefreak

[gaunt fractal]

yet it didn't get his own game

oh

and land's wrath

[limpid jolt]

bro

has

4 fucking signature moves

[gaunt fractal]

4 signature moves, 1 signature ability, 5 forms 3 of which are usable

2 signature abilities actuallyu

[limpid jolt]

"game freak doesnt love more pokemon than others 🤓 "

[gaunt fractal]

if anyone ever said that

they don't exist anymore

unable to survive

[gaunt fractal]

also i never realised that zygarde was bulkier than hippo

LOL

[limpid jolt]

i forgor rayquaza

and mewtwo

cinderace too he has 2 sig moves

and libero

[gaunt fractal]

greninja having a signature move that changes with it's signature ability

which is a special mechanic that nothing else has

double mega

[limpid jolt]

and having 2 hiddn abilities

[gaunt fractal]

wth

[limpid jolt]

yeah battle bond is a hidden ability in vanilla

source trust me bro

[gaunt fractal]

you know what's funny

they let you use battle bond greninja in rr before the 4th gym

[limpid jolt]

oh yeah with the 3.0 update

[gaunt fractal]

although i've never tested it myself

[limpid jolt]

why are there 50 grass types in gen 8 uu

and 50 water types

[gaunt fractal]

5 is not a lot

is it

[gaunt fractal]

well keldeo is in the tier

[limpid jolt]

oh yeah keldeo cant even hit his own type 😹

[gaunt fractal]

can you imagine if they randomly gave coverage to some pokemon

[limpid jolt]

there are 8 water tpes in gen 8 uu

[limpid jolt]

i would love this

[gaunt fractal]

ig it's just good

[limpid jolt]

just dont give volcarona a grund move

then we're ok

and change victinis typing to fire electric

[gaunt fractal]

i really like fire electric

[limpid jolt]

stab bolt strike

[gaunt fractal]

nevermind

[limpid jolt]

LOL

[gaunt fractal]

i wish the mythicals didn't have the same stats

like mew jirachi celebi and victini

[limpid jolt]

ikr

like it made sense for mew

but it sholdve stopped there

[gaunt fractal]

also i wanna say how obscene 100 across the board is

[blissful flint]

how creative and original of them

[gaunt fractal]

i was doing some calcs to see what would skarmory's bulk look like

if it's hp and defense were identical

bc i find that easier to visualize

and it's like 105 hp 104 defense

[limpid jolt]

100 across every stat is amazing but kinda lame

[gaunt fractal]

and like oh look

[limpid jolt]

yeah they stopped doing it at gen 6

with my least fav mythical ever

[gaunt fractal]

didn't gen 5 have meloetta

who

[limpid jolt]

and keldeo but

and darkrai

but hoopa

[gaunt fractal]

darkrai is gen 4

[limpid jolt]

hate that mf

[gaunt fractal]

i love hoopa

[limpid jolt]

bro

did you watch his terrible movie

[gaunt fractal]

hoopa confined is ugly as balls tho

i really liked his movie when i was younger

thinking about it now it's like the end of steven universe

just throw every cool thing like legendaries

[limpid jolt]

ugly mythical
annoying af
terrible typing
terrible alt form (700 bst uubl)

terrible shiny

[gaunt fractal]

700 bst uubl 😭 😭

wth the shiny is goated

[limpid jolt]

it might be 680 bst but still

like

bro

[blissful flint]

dont get me started on the scarlet and violet designs 💀

[limpid jolt]

the shiny is what i see in the toilet

scarlet and violet legendaries are sick dude what

[gaunt fractal]

hoopa confined is RU in gen 7

kekw

[blissful flint]

they're hideous

their arms have no reason to be that low

[limpid jolt]

theyre probably my fav legendary designs

[blissful flint]

it looks stupid

[limpid jolt]

compared to mewtwo

[gaunt fractal]

the gen 9 legendaries are amazing what

[limpid jolt]

mewtwo is super bland now

[gaunt fractal]

mewtwo has the weird gen 1 artstyle with the rough edges

[exotic raft]

@jolly palm til my mom pronounced charmeleon shar-melon and charizard shar-zar

[limpid jolt]

also loe how compared to other legendaries now

[blissful flint]

I cant tell if the violet one is steel electric or dragon steel

[limpid jolt]

mewtwo is shit LOL

theyre both dragon

its very obvious theyre both dragon

[gaunt fractal]

i wish they just stopped making dragon types

[sharp ibex]

Does she pronounce chicken shiken

[exotic raft]

no

[blissful flint]

these trainers designs are worse than the pokemon unite trainer designs

[gaunt fractal]

like gamefreak i'm tired of dragon legendaries and pseudo legendaries

[limpid jolt]

everyone is

[exotic raft]

but she knows how to say charmander

but nothing else

[limpid jolt]

are you ok

[gaunt fractal]

the trainer designs are like whatever

[limpid jolt]

like base designs

they suck

[gaunt fractal]

they would obv fall off after gen 8

[blissful flint]

they got those farmer ass designs

[limpid jolt]

but the customization will be amazing

[gaunt fractal]

can you customize your body type?

[limpid jolt]

the npc designs those

gen 9 has the best professors

[gaunt fractal]

yeah the scarlet one is amazing

the violet guy is kinda whatever but at least he stands out unlike all the other professors

[limpid jolt]

turo looks like he wants to show you an nft tho

[gaunt fractal]

like kukui is cool but all the rest are super bland

[blissful flint]

giga chad professor

[limpid jolt]

if i see a picutre of a grooky on turos lab wall

this is why scarlet is better than violet

[gaunt fractal]

oh no please tell me they made a reference to nfts

[limpid jolt]

also

violet legendary might be the first box art legend to be faster than 100 speed

[gaunt fractal]

palkia

also mewtwo

[limpid jolt]

mewtwo isnt box art

[gaunt fractal]

true

[limpid jolt]

plakia is exactly 100 speed

not past

[gaunt fractal]

zacian

and zam

[limpid jolt]

that bitch doesnt count

[sharp ibex]

lugia

[gaunt fractal]

oh true

everyone forgets that lugia has 110 base speed

[limpid jolt]

wtf

[gaunt fractal]

then i think like "wow ho-oh does too right?"

then it has 110 spatk

[limpid jolt]

no way lugia has 110

[gaunt fractal]

yeah it does

[sharp ibex]

i forgot until looking it up just now to see if i could clown tg

[limpid jolt]

bro

IT DOESNT USE ITS SPEED

[gaunt fractal]

it does tho

[limpid jolt]

IT USES ITS TERRIBLE TYPING WITH BULK

[gaunt fractal]

fast recover is crazy

psychic flying is not that bad

[limpid jolt]

its dogshit

[gaunt fractal]

like you get a 4x fighting resistance

not like you care with 106/130 physical bulk

also shocked to find out that lugia had 130 base defense

[limpid jolt]

this is actually really bad

[gaunt fractal]

5 weaknesses really sucks

[limpid jolt]

destroyed by the bad psychic typing

[gaunt fractal]

but it's still lugia

[gaunt fractal]

only way to not make it work would be to make it a bug or ice type

[limpid jolt]

my brother literally said to put psychic at bottom 3

for singles ou

[gaunt fractal]

i don't think it's that bad

bc you're not weak to strong attacks

[limpid jolt]

it only has like

lele and future sight teleport

[gaunt fractal]

the only strong super effective attacks are like specs shadow ball and poltergeist

nothing runs bug moves and the only strong dark moves are like the one time use knock off

[limpid jolt]

its weak to bug is the problem

you forget u turn exists

[gaunt fractal]

being weak to u-turn is not that big of a deal

[limpid jolt]

bro

[gaunt fractal]

at least it's not celebi

[limpid jolt]

you have no idea

[gaunt fractal]

the thing is that u-turn is not dealing enough damage a lot of the times

[limpid jolt]

being weak to u turn for singles is pretty bad

[gaunt fractal]

it's obviously bad just not that big of a downside

[limpid jolt]

cuz thats at most 37% with slowbro of all things

imagine the others

[gaunt fractal]

no way

ok but like deod and cress are bulkier than slowbro and they're the only relevant bulky psychics

i like to pretend that cress is relevant

[limpid jolt]

cress is only c- cuz of trick room

it has a niche

[gaunt fractal]

it has other support options

[limpid jolt]

but then with all the knock of and shadow ball spam

[gaunt fractal]

when you're that fat you can launch twaves like no one's business

[limpid jolt]

why would you wanna be a psychic type in this meta rn

[gaunt fractal]

in any meta honestly

[limpid jolt]

BRO I JUST GOT A POPTROPICA ADD

ok anyway

[gaunt fractal]

what is that

[limpid jolt]

like personally id put psychic above rock

but thinking about it more ice is only a little better than psychic for singles

[sharp ibex]

most goated game of all time

[gaunt fractal]

rock has some useful resistances and a 1.5x boost in sand

[limpid jolt]

yeah

[gaunt fractal]

psychic barely has any super good resistances

also rock is like the best offensive typing in the game so

[limpid jolt]

and terrible weaknesses

[limpid jolt]

isnt that ground

p sure its ground

[gaunt fractal]

i think rock is better bc like

[limpid jolt]

ground and ice together hit the most things

[gaunt fractal]

nothing is immune to rock

and there's a widespread ability that makes you immune to ground

also a whole ass item that makes you immune to ground

[limpid jolt]

its rock by 7 types

look at what ice and ground do together tho

[gaunt fractal]

rock and ground coverage is on like every physical attacker in existance tho

[limpid jolt]

grond and ice is the most together

[gaunt fractal]

80% of fighting types learn either rock slide, poison jab or both trust me

yeah ground and ice is goated

[limpid jolt]

ground and rock is actually worse

[gaunt fractal]

it's one of those type combinations you always slap on if you can

like boltbeam

[gaunt fractal]

wait what is this

[limpid jolt]

thats how many types ground and rock hit together

[gaunt fractal]

it's important to also look at pokemon that can actually resist it

[limpid jolt]

yeah uh

about that

[gaunt fractal]

ground ice >>

[limpid jolt]

no single typing resist both together

[gaunt fractal]

but still

[limpid jolt]

has to be a dual type

[gaunt fractal]

tbh there are a bunch of type combinations that do that

[limpid jolt]

eah true

jus tthat ground rock and ground ice do the best

love how ground is there twice

[gaunt fractal]

i do believe rock is overall better than ground for the immunities reason

although the types that resist rock are more useful defensively

[limpid jolt]

heres another

ground flying

[gaunt fractal]

like steel is a big one

wow ground flying is goated what

[limpid jolt]

ROUND FLYING IS BETTER THAN GROUND ROCK LOL

IT DOES MORE OFFENSIVE

[gaunt fractal]

too bad there are no flying moves

call me when landorus gets brave bird

[limpid jolt]

bet

lando with dynamax is busted

[gaunt fractal]

btw i was playing natdex ag with my friend

and man i wish landorus-i was legal

ubers in every generation it's been in

max airstream is 90 bp i believe

while most max moves are 130

[limpid jolt]

its so close to not getting banned i feel like

[gaunt fractal]

same happens with max knuckle and ooze

it's just about when a good counter comes in

i really hope they release a new toxapex

i wanna see a new face of stall

[limpid jolt]

😭

[gaunt fractal]

we should play natdex ag some time btw

or just swsh ubers tbh

it's just cool to use these new pokemon

like choice band xerneas

[limpid jolt]

xerneas ran 3 moves in gen 6

[gaunt fractal]

it only ran moonblast and dazzling gleam in vgc

sometimes only one of them

[limpid jolt]

imagine being such a good typing you only need stab

[gaunt fractal]

it's stupid how stale a pokemon's moveset can be in vgc

some pokemon only run 2 or 1 attacking moves

[limpid jolt]

incin

[gaunt fractal]

like you know how zacian has insane coverage

[limpid jolt]

well i mean

[gaunt fractal]

it only runs like

[limpid jolt]

corv runs 2 attacking moves

[gaunt fractal]

behemoth blade, sacred sword, protect, substitute

that's like the most common set in series 12

[limpid jolt]

god i hope thats not real

[gaunt fractal]

and if it's running another attacking move it's almost definitely play rough

it is real

it also runs imprison sometimes

for other zacian and shutting down protect on everything

reminder that zacian can't dynamax

[limpid jolt]

i do that in singles i get called a bitch 😭

[gaunt fractal]

subprotect is hilarious

also volcarona is good in doubles

but it never runs quiver dance

[limpid jolt]

i saw this win a game once

[gaunt fractal]

i've heard of defensive salazzkle before

[limpid jolt]

you could say that a toxic strat

heh

heh

[gaunt fractal]

YEP

[limpid jolt]

the worst pun ive made in 2022 WOOOOO

[gaunt fractal]

bro wtf

[limpid jolt]

??????

it has this HA?

[gaunt fractal]

volcarona's most common moves in doubles

[gaunt fractal]

i've seen worse

BROTHER

IT USES STRING SHOT

[limpid jolt]

WHY IS VOLC USING STRUGGLE BUG

[gaunt fractal]

it hits both opponents

it's like snarl

[limpid jolt]

bug type snarl

[gaunt fractal]

i can't believe volcarona uses string shot in vgc

that's so insane

[limpid jolt]

speed control is that important

[gaunt fractal]

i mean yeah it is but i wouldn't expect that

since it can miss and only hits 1

and volcarona is probably pretty sloww since you're investing into bulk

[limpid jolt]

I THOUHT IT HIT 2

[gaunt fractal]

because it's main use is as a redirection user with rage powder

idk if hits both tbh

[limpid jolt]

it lowers by 2 so

thats probably why

[gaunt fractal]

oh by 2

[limpid jolt]

it doesnt hit 2 opponents just lowers by 2

[gaunt fractal]

i've seen people use scary facy

face

but that's more on grimmsnarl

[limpid jolt]

thats so for regieleki and zacian

[gaunt fractal]

it works really nicely on everything tbh

regieleki is probably lowering your speed back with electroweb anyways

did you know that sneasel is used in vgc

because it has inner focus and a lower spatk for surf

and one of the fastest fake outs

[limpid jolt]

wtf

[gaunt fractal]

thundurus has a higher usage rate than regieleki rn what

[limpid jolt]

bro they banned pikachu in godly gift metagame

[gaunt fractal]

180 base spatk with light ball

no thank you

i wanna know more about godly gift

all the fun pokemon are gone

[limpid jolt]

theyre gonna ban both nido's soon

[gaunt fractal]

i was gonna ask why not ban light ball instead

but like fling/trick is a thing

[limpid jolt]

160 sp atk sheer force life orb

no thanks

[gaunt fractal]

with that coverage

did people even run spatk

[limpid jolt]

always

[gaunt fractal]

i wish that godly gift just didn't have the legendaries in it

[limpid jolt]

you always run sp atk nidoking

ever since gen 5

[gaunt fractal]

like there would be a mark showing which legendary was sharing stats

[gaunt fractal]

i mean putting a high spatk on it

rather than high speed

[limpid jolt]

WHO WOULDVE UESSED

[limpid jolt]

like the nature?

either of the 2

[gaunt fractal]

no

the godly gift thing

[limpid jolt]

ah

always sp atk

95 speed is perfect for a wallbreaker

[gaunt fractal]

toxapex is banned?

weird

oh nevermind toxapex with offensive stats

[limpid jolt]

toxapex with high hp

[gaunt fractal]

toxapex with kyogre's spatk and rain support

i don't think you can give hp

because the first slot is always the legendary

[limpid jolt]

wait no way

zamazenta is good

crowned version

[gaunt fractal]

zamazenta has absurd stats

[limpid jolt]

their example team is so outdated

[gaunt fractal]

i feel like people often forget that it has an insane speed stat of 128

[limpid jolt]

they have dracovish in it

and you can only have 1 uber

[gaunt fractal]

that's the thing i don't like about it

having to play with at least 1 uber

i would like it more if you could just choose the legendary to share stats then have 6 normal slots

[limpid jolt]

yeah i agree

[gaunt fractal]

although i still don't think that having to ban mons like toxapex and dusclops because of high hp stats would be fun

and they wouldn't make complex ban for tiers like these

[limpid jolt]

dhelmise is a tier

[gaunt fractal]

anyways let's look at some funny godly gift sets

[limpid jolt]

funny how some pokemon are only terrible cuz of low speed

like dhelmise

[gaunt fractal]

oh nevermind

forget about what i said

[limpid jolt]

THEY SAY TO PUT WEAVILE IN ANY SLOT LOL

[gaunt fractal]

126/152/142 toxapex

[limpid jolt]

BRO

[gaunt fractal]

even in spatk?

[limpid jolt]

SP ATK WEAVILE

[gaunt fractal]

most ubers are slower than it anyways

[limpid jolt]

atk is the best]

but everything can work

[gaunt fractal]

actually 150/152/142

[limpid jolt]

why does weavile get whirlpool

[gaunt fractal]

how does it even do that

[limpid jolt]

alolan persian is a-

[gaunt fractal]

can we play godly gift using only bad pokemon and only bad sets on legendaries

fur coat

[gaunt fractal]

teambuilding in this sounds weird

[limpid jolt]

ikr

[gaunt fractal]

@limpid jolt here

this meta would probably take really long to develop

[limpid jolt]

shuckle isnt banned cuz he has no healing moves besides rest

istg

[gaunt fractal]

who cares tbh

105/230/230 bulk

you can sleep for 5 turns and you're still unkillable

and leftovers probably heals off half the damage you're taking

150*

in this team it has 92 because zamazenta

but run your hardcore stall team with giratina

[limpid jolt]

kyogre has such good stats for this mode

[gaunt fractal]

128 base speed glastrier with swords dance icicle crash and highhorsepower

i feel like it's easier to abuse with some of the new legendaries

since kyogre's speed defense and hp are like mediocre

[limpid jolt]

thats why eternatus is banned

[limpid jolt]

i saw volc go into the def spot

and wreck shit

[gaunt fractal]

it still improves a bunch of mons

but i like it better when i'm giving insane stats to everything

like wailord with 170 hp and 145 defense

or tangrowth with 100/125/145

[limpid jolt]

yeah they also used tangrowth

with av

[gaunt fractal]

i don't think you need av

[limpid jolt]

600 spdef with av bro

its funny af

[gaunt fractal]

using kyogre's spdef?

[limpid jolt]

yeah

[gaunt fractal]

i mean yeah if we're going crazy then i'm up for it

also

crit-me not sweeper but you're already god on the physical side

note that blissey's bulk would translate into like 180/180 hp and spdef so i'm already reaching those heights

clicks a random BH set > instantly regrets it

[limpid jolt]

what the fuck LOL

[gaunt fractal]

like ignoring the random purify

looking at all these long names of insane moves is a headache

[limpid jolt]

shuckle counts as a god in this?????

[gaunt fractal]

wait what

to be expected

wait why the hell would you put lugia on speed

[gaunt fractal]

wait look

if you don't have any uber/ag pokemon the first counts as god

interesting

[limpid jolt]

huh

so like

shuckle gonna give you 5 speed

thats totally what i want

[gaunt fractal]

you can make it work

[limpid jolt]

if shuckle is your god it has to be only stall LOL

[gaunt fractal]

just put it on a defensive mon that doesn't care, a gyro ball user or a tr user

mostly stall yeah

you can put it on like ferrothorn and now your gyro balls are 150 bp against a lot of things

[limpid jolt]

good thing you dont need blissey anymore

[gaunt fractal]

unfortunately you cannot use wishiwashi as your god unless you want to give everything shit stats

since it only counts the out of battle form

on stall you'd probably rather use giratina tho

since it has 150/120/120

[limpid jolt]

this is so wrong

[gaunt fractal]

wtf are you doing

demon

[limpid jolt]

131 sp atk on koko

131 atk on victini

and those 2 are amazing together already

[charred wave]

cat

[gaunt fractal]

@limpid jolt

[limpid jolt]

i hate that

[gaunt fractal]

wanted to use pyuk but i'd have 3 weak to electric

and i wanted to change milotic just because of that but i couldn't find anything that looked appealing

i was thinking latias

[sharp ibex]

how does godly gift work

[gaunt fractal]

you can have 1 uber/ag pokemon on your team and it's base stats will be shared depending on team slots

the order being hp atk def spatk spdef speed

[gaunt fractal]

so on this team shuckle has 150 base hp rather than 20 because that's giratina's base hp stat

[limpid jolt]

(basically making shuckle unkillable)

[gaunt fractal]

if you have no uber/ag then it will consider your first slot as a god

oh yeah 150/230/230 is like chansey on both sides

[sharp ibex]

oh that's cool

[gaunt fractal]

i'm trying to do something with rayquaza rn

also i tried to use more setup strategies in the rr postgame

and it's actually so fun

dd mega mence is so fair and balanced

swept koga 4 times with it

[limpid jolt]

what if i give dracozolt 99 base speed

🤔

[gaunt fractal]

doesn't sound that great

surprised dragapult isn't banned with how easy it is to break

[limpid jolt]

dracozolt is b+

lmao

best is speed

also this is pretty funny

[gaunt fractal]

can we play some matches once i finish making this team

mf spends 10 minutes looking for one pokemon

spdef kartana oh no

synthesis ferrothorn

wait a minute

[limpid jolt]

oh no

[gaunt fractal]

nevermind i just found gold

but i'll keep it a surprise for when we fight

[limpid jolt]

giving fini a little more speed means its sets have more bulk

[gaunt fractal]

alright i'm done

i gotta learn how popular team structures actually work

bc like i think most of my teams are balance

and so i can give my team better names

[limpid jolt]

i dont like having 2 terrains tho

hmmmm

[gaunt fractal]

just put telepathy on fini

i'm telling you it's a viable ability in singles

i always forget that putting telepathy on removes the terrain boost

like that terrains have a 20% boost to their type

[limpid jolt]

telepathy fini

new meta

[gaunt fractal]

are you ready?

[limpid jolt]

ye

[limpid jolt]

@gaunt fractal i have nothing and its saying the set already

[gaunt fractal]

what

showdown just broke

[limpid jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/what-michael-groth-mandjtv-mandjtv-plays-no-way-gif-24463408

[gaunt fractal]

are there any other formats where bad pokemon can do cool things

that are not tier shift bc fuck that

[limpid jolt]

idk stabmons

this mon is literally 1 move away from being broken everywhere

omg buzzwole can have u turn

[gaunt fractal]

stabmons sounds kinda chaotic

[limpid jolt]

bro

[gaunt fractal]

yo playable NFE

what the hell

i bet there are like 50 banned moves in stabmons

i also don't wanna see anything running glacial lance or astral barrage

or else i'll start spamming sub protect pressure

wicked blow is banned but surging strikes isn't interesting

[limpid jolt]

bad gamemode

imagine tho

i had it planned and everything

[gaunt fractal]

🤢

thank you for not using eleki in godly gift btw

if it isn't banned

[limpid jolt]

its not

its would be way too evil with kyogre

rain team with kyogre

oh god

[gaunt fractal]

don't even think about it

thing i like about stabmons is being able to put recovery moves on like everything

because my dream is that like every pokemon learns healing moves

and the ones that would be insane with it just don't get it or get weaker ones

[limpid jolt]

isnt shore up a ground type move

[gaunt fractal]

like can you imagine heatran with recover

yeah it's ground

landorus gets it ig

[limpid jolt]

if hes banned

hes banned

some mons are REALLY 1 move away from being banned bro

[gaunt fractal]

go crazy

[limpid jolt]

thats so funny

LOL

MAYBE HES MORE THAN 1 MOVE AWAY

if every ground type isnt banned

[gaunt fractal]

ground types are blessed holy shit

thousand arrows must be banned

[limpid jolt]

garchomp is banned

[gaunt fractal]

like there must be more than this

why ban every ground type instead of just banning thousand arrows and/or shore up

also forget brave bird

[limpid jolt]

at least they did ban thousand arrows

[gaunt fractal]

dragon ascent.

[limpid jolt]

but why is garhcomp not banned

i mean

banned

[gaunt fractal]

it's garchomp

it's not hard to break

[limpid jolt]

excadrill isnt banned

mf gets behemoth blade

[gaunt fractal]

behemoth blade is not that great tbh

also does it even work

because like that usually only triggers when a crowned dog uses iron head

[limpid jolt]

i mean its 100 power

ppl use earthquake cuz 100 power

and cuz like

ground is broken in singles

but we dont talk about that

sorry not sorry

[gaunt fractal]

highhorsepower made it good in doubles

although earthquake with flying/levitate pokemon was already common

not common

but existed

what the hell

[limpid jolt]

wait bro

if koko isnt banned

THIS GAMEMODE SUCKS

BRO

[gaunt fractal]

also hold up

[gaunt fractal]

LOL

sorry all of your favorite pokemon are banned

[limpid jolt]

ARCHEOPS IS BANNED

ARE YOU SERIOUS

[gaunt fractal]

wait what

it already gets crazy moves dude

it already gets head smash and brave bird and all that shit

also look

dd chomp

[gaunt fractal]

every ground type gets spikes btw

LMAO

literally just all your favorites

[limpid jolt]

SILVALLY IS BANNED

LMAO

[gaunt fractal]

wait why 😭

[limpid jolt]

hes every type

hes whatever the fuck he wants to be

[gaunt fractal]

porygon z is banned

who would've thought

[limpid jolt]

OMG

LOOK AT SILVALLYS MOVEPOOL

HOLY SHIT

HE GETS EVERY MOVE IN THE GAME

[gaunt fractal]

oh what the hell

never fucking mind

the code broken it i guess

this is like a BH mon

[limpid jolt]

blacephalon is also banned

[gaunt fractal]

just don't look at the OU list

half of them are banned

fini is the only tapu that's not banned somehow

[limpid jolt]

that means that its a good gamemode for zane

[gaunt fractal]

even bulu did it

true

[limpid jolt]

how did bulu get banned

fini gets flip turn then

fini is 100% top tier

[gaunt fractal]

fini also gets moonlight

[gaunt fractal]

grassy glide

[limpid jolt]

bruh

[gaunt fractal]

it's probably because fini is the only tapu that doesn't have a broken terrain move

since misty explosion is super whatever

[limpid jolt]

still tho flip turn is huge

and uh

fleur cannon

[gaunt fractal]

oh nah

[limpid jolt]

steam eruption too

[gaunt fractal]

uh oh

there's no way this thing isn't crazy

[limpid jolt]

omg

i was looking at staaabmons

not stabmons

[gaunt fractal]

so spore isn't banned

[limpid jolt]

lurkers are so confused of what i just typed i already know

so

[gaunt fractal]

wdym

[limpid jolt]

victini and weavile are allowed

thank god

you know what staaabmons is right

[gaunt fractal]

no

[limpid jolt]

its aaa + stabmons

[gaunt fractal]

so almost bh

got it

goofy name

[limpid jolt]

goofy name made me think more mons were banned

so who needs triple axel

[gaunt fractal]

that's banned

thankfully

[limpid jolt]

bro

[gaunt fractal]

no pressure subtect meta

[limpid jolt]

they cant mlet me have fun

istg

[gaunt fractal]

it's only 10bp stronger than a 3hit triple axel so

and triple axel always hits 3 times because god said so

this is allowed

[limpid jolt]

thats toxic

OH

BUT

[void aurora]

COTTON GUARD

[gaunt fractal]

spiky shield too although who cares

[limpid jolt]

MY WEAVILE

[void aurora]

LOL

[limpid jolt]

WASNT

[void aurora]

also double iron bash wouldnt be good on him right

[gaunt fractal]

it would be like whatever

[void aurora]

8pp

[gaunt fractal]

more consistent gyro ball but also who runs gyro ball

[void aurora]

go for something with more stalling

[gaunt fractal]

i mean like on a cotton guard set

you'd run body press

[void aurora]

yeah

[limpid jolt]

UUUH

KYUREM ISNT BANNED

UUUH

[gaunt fractal]

this has to be banned

there's no way

oh i got it

forgot to look at these 2

[gaunt fractal]

that doesn't explain why precipice blades are banned tho

[limpid jolt]

this is allowed

[gaunt fractal]

disgusting

it gets dynamax cannon too

or does it

[limpid jolt]

it does

it also gets

special rend

and dragon energy

[gaunt fractal]

no way they let you use dragon energy

there are too many moves unlisted

[limpid jolt]

so

like

thats allowed

[karmic elm]

Dude my top monkeys going wacky

[gaunt fractal]

yikes

[limpid jolt]

lol thats right

water shuriken is in gen 8

cuz a certain bug type still has it

accelgor

[gaunt fractal]

that certain bug type may have quiver dance

[limpid jolt]

oh god

[gaunt fractal]

i wish there was a bug type water spout man

[limpid jolt]

wait

volcanion

might be broken

[gaunt fractal]

i could see qdance being banned but all the best users of it already exist

what does it get

OH NO

[limpid jolt]

just some moves he can get

[gaunt fractal]

why is it not banned

water shuriken is awful tho

[limpid jolt]

true

but funny

its ok just add like

steam eruption

the only water move he needs

with flip turn

BRO VICTINIS BOLT STRIKE IS STILL MORE POWERFUL THAN PSYCHIC FANGS

I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS

[gaunt fractal]

are there seriously no other physical psychic moves

[limpid jolt]

PHOTON GEYSER

[gaunt fractal]

there's photon geyser

[limpid jolt]

HES SAVED

HE CAN HAVE 2 STABS

[gaunt fractal]

but that's still weaker than bolt strike

kekw

[limpid jolt]

nope

[gaunt fractal]

wait no

my math

[limpid jolt]

itll be 150 pwer

LOL

[gaunt fractal]

yeah yeah

victini with 2 spammable stabs

goodbye ou

[limpid jolt]

yeah now i need electric terrain

but koko is banned

[gaunt fractal]

just use pincurchin

[limpid jolt]

yeah

[gaunt fractal]

i'm sure this person had fun

for like a day

[limpid jolt]

LMAO

if only pincurchin had 101 health instead of attack

these stats dont fit it at all

besides speed

[gaunt fractal]

i have no idea how that sea cucumber thing has more attack than the god of anti matter

[limpid jolt]

bro

]it has more attack

than victini

by 1

[void aurora]

yuh

dont most old mythicals have 100 across the board

the classic 600bst mons

[limpid jolt]

it has more atack than hawlucha

what the fuck

[gaunt fractal]

there are like 5 or 6 mythicals with that

[void aurora]

hawlucha got no stats bruh

[limpid jolt]

yeah

[void aurora]

carried by 2x boosters

[gaunt fractal]

mew celebi jirachi manaphy and uh

[void aurora]

shaymin

[gaunt fractal]

yeah that's it

[void aurora]

bet you forgot thats a real pokemon

[limpid jolt]

it has more attack then the literal devil in his normal form

bro

[gaunt fractal]

no i really like shaymin but i'm a baby and started in swsh

also skymin is just more relevant

[void aurora]

aw

yeah

skymin is 😍

[gaunt fractal]

exactly

[limpid jolt]

OH MY GOD

MORE ATTACK THAN ZYGARDE

IM DONE

LOLL