Disincentivize Offline Raids

[fluid whale]

Rust has a big problem that causes people with a life outside of the game to have a disadvantage. The issue is that people who can afford to be on the game all day can raid people who have real life commitments while they are offline. This is most well know with rust, as it had developed that stereotype of joblessness and lack of real world responsibilities. I think it would be extremely beneficial for ORMOD to strongly discourage this practice in order to retain and grow their playerbase. Offline raiding is very prevalent because it is the smartest and most efficient thing to do. However, it is what caused me, and many others with a life outside games, to stop playing (I had 1000 hours before I stopped)

[dry jungle]

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[frail wind]

rust got the player count it has/had while having offline raiding happen as much as it does

the threat of getting offlined is part of what makes the game as exciting as it is. i think it should be a little harder in that game but if there wasnt a constant threat of being raided then the game would be way less fun imo

there is servers that disable offline raiding in rust and the pop is always really low because very few people actually want to play that

[dry jungle]

Well as OP said that is because many people who would play that get turned down by the reputation of rust.

[tepid owl]

Yuuuup!! No there will 100% be disadvantages to offline raiding to encourage online raiding, yes I’m a massive rust player too, no I don’t enjoy having to be on 24/7 😭😭😭

Online raids are just much more fun for both parties involved

[fluid whale]

Low pop servers stay low because no one wants to play on a server with no one playing

[fluid whale]

Disagree, the threat of being online raided makes it fun, offline raided just makes me want to quit

[fluid whale]

Completely agree, that’s why there are servers to just simulate online raiding with a TON of concurrent players

Don’t see a single server simulating offline raids

[native wolf]

I just hope its not to disincentivized because ive seen alot of rust servers with offline protection that just die off rapidly. I think a big thrill of the game is knowing your neverr safe. If im not worried about my base when im off im not as pressed to log in and check out everything

[merry spear]

Part of the reason I’ve been enjoying day z. I’ve been recording but unlike a rust wipe, it’s been 2-3 days since I’ve played and I’m not worried about losing my gear. I’ve been playing with irl friends who have lives and a family and can only play 8-10pm each night

I rack up 12+ hour days and use rust + just to get a video out on rust

It gets tiring

[tepid owl]

Yep!

No we want to incentivise online raiding, yeah of course people have lives etc 😄

The idea is not to completely disable offline raiding, but make it harder (this is also being enabled next update 🙂 )

[fluid topaz]

I don't recall, but I think ARK has some settings on server side to prevent this, you can only be raided if someone from the tribe is online, otherwise you have like 8 or 12h of raid protection (ofc if somoene combat log, the raid protec shouldn't start right away) This should be a great solution

[native wolf]

offline protection is often manipulated and having an entirely raid proof base would mean lower pop as @merry spear pointed out. theres no reason to log in, your progress is safe so it essentially plays out like a solo lobby. Most people who dont want to risk theirr progress go for PVE lobbies for this reason. If there was to be a negative to offline raiding i think the safest method to implement would be increasing the raid cost. structures having double hp after no tribe memmbers have been online for more than 2 hours or so would probably solve both issues in one.

[clear ermine]

Deadside had a good and unique system with raid tokens (if you die there is a chance you drop a token making your base raidable for an hour, it marked your base on the map driving pvp.)

Then they switched to 24/7 raids and the games died.

[merry spear]

marking it on the map feels kinda bad

I can't tell you how many times I have kiled or been killed in rust and wish I knew where their base was with rockets crafted

and I would just not be able to find them because they were deep roaming far from their base and were careful not to come back

[native wolf]

Raiding is the core of survivalcraft . Being raidable for an hour isnt realistic. In a game where its kill or be killed fight for survival expect everyone to be after your loot. Its up to the player to find the best ways to store and hide it

[clear ermine]

Only people in favor of offline raids are sweats who cant pvp.

[hoary wraith]

I second this ^^ never seen a good player offline raid someone

[native wolf]

Doesnt matter if you offline or done offline. The threat that it can happen is what drives you. As a builder if my base cant be offlined im not putting much effort into it. I wont play it as a base defense survival , just more like a call of duty style shooter cuz nothing i have is at risk once i close the game so ill stop in and check on things every few days, maybe harvest the greenhouse drop a few kills and log back to rust because i HAVE to check on my base. Its just the point of survival games is the thrill of being put in fight or flight. You lose that if theres no consequences or risk of not surviving.

[native wolf]

Just tells me your bases are terrible. If you want to log out mid raid and be put in a lime green safety bubble thats wierd pp

[hoary wraith]

I dont know why youre taking it so personal my guy, people have lives, they dont want to deticate their entire life to building a virtual Base in a game.

[clear ermine]

Fr dude is butthurt cause he can’t pvp so he lives on the game and offlines. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hoary wraith]

I wasn't trying to say that

[clear ermine]

That’s what it is tho

[hoary wraith]

I play pve I dont normally interact with pvpers, its an interesting perspective

[native wolf]

And for those people pve servers exsist. But for people who play survival games like ark and rust, building a base that can withstand an offline, or cleverly hiding your loot is a big part of it. I dont raid much as i said i build, but i welcome someone trying to offline our base because i build with that possibility in mind.

[native wolf]

Clearly doesnt play pvp survival, im assuming he does solo survival like grounded. Just because its overwhelming for you doesnt mean you need to take thw thrill away from people who enjoy survival.

[hoary wraith]

Again, why should people have to dedicate tens of hours of their life to building a virtual shack? You chose to do that, thats great for you, when a game forces others to do that it kills the casual audience

[native wolf]

There are different servers for that reason. But real survival doesnt operate in rules. In a post apocolyptic survival scenario do you think the enemy wont attack because your sleeping?

At that point just make it pve overall. Clearly the formula works because rust isnt dying off anytime soon

[hoary wraith]

Kingsly, its a game

[native wolf]

Its a genre

[hoary wraith]

We're talking about Ormod Directive. The game going through a beta test trying something new

[native wolf]

Its obviously a game, and people who play this specific genre of game are in it for the thrill

The type of survival game your describing is valhiem, pve survival

An entirely seperate genre. But if the goal is open world pvp survival then the less rules the better

Otherwise it will feel scripted

[hoary wraith]

You clearly have some big feelings on being able to offline raid everyone Kingsley, im going to leave you to those opinions and wish you a great day :]

[native wolf]

Again, i barely raid. I build

It feels like you got offlined and now are against anyone having the oppurtunity to try and survive the night because you couldnt? And if you only play pve idk why youd try and force a pve experiance on pvp players

[clear ermine]

Ah yes the thrill of offlining. Just say you can’t pvp bro

[hoary wraith]

The developer of the game already has anti offline raid measures in place Kingsly, are you sure youre in the right place?

[native wolf]

Yeah i shared my thoughts with riley as well

The numbers dont lie, every offline protection server on rust is less than 100 pop

[hoary wraith]

And thats great :] im happy for you

[native wolf]

Because you have no reason to log on more then once wvery few days

Once your rich thats it, your rich

No risk no point

[hoary wraith]

Kingsly, its a game not a job, you should be able to want to play the game without the imminent threat of unemployed people xD

[native wolf]

And that is exactly what the pve servers are for. People who do not have time to game

Why have pvp and pve if you make them both pve

[hoary wraith]

But its not pve, its anti offline.

You can still offline, its just harder

[native wolf]

So if someones setting up to raid and i log off im just safe

[hoary wraith]

Yeah :]

[native wolf]

I have to convince them to stay on during the whole raid even if they are losing

[hoary wraith]

Or, you bring more boom

[clear ermine]

This is getting sad Kingsly

[hoary wraith]

Or are you telling me you show up to your rust raids with only 2 c4 and 6 rockets?

[native wolf]

So winning the fight, is a negative penalty on the winning team

Its just not making sence to me

[hoary wraith]

You get all of the other teams loot regardless

[native wolf]

If i bag timer an entire team and there whole base goes 3x durability as a result

[clear ermine]

You can prevent combat logging, you are talking about different things now

[native wolf]

Thats a negative penalty for winning

[hoary wraith]

Yeah :] as it should be

[native wolf]

Ok so its just anti pvp. I was misunderstanding the type of game. Raiding is frowned upon

[hoary wraith]

There is other options to disincentivize offline raiding, like a bounty system

[clear ermine]

Offline raiding is not PvP tho

[hoary wraith]

No Kingsly, offlining is frowned upon

Youre not fighting other players in that instance, youre literally fighting a wall

[clear ermine]

This dude might be slow.

[native wolf]

At that point it makes more sence to door camp and go deep

[hoary wraith]

Then do that

Its a sandbox, theres many ways to win

[clear ermine]

That’s PvP and online

[native wolf]

Were having an educated discussion, if your only input is insults you shouldnt take part

Or is this the trash talk channel

[clear ermine]

You are failing to understand but it may be a comprehension issue. That better?

[hoary wraith]

You seem to think the offline thing is a switch, its not, its a timer. After a player is offline for a stretch of time their base gets more hp, not invincible, not unraidable, harder.

[native wolf]

Thats is 100% false. Any builder knows that. Your fighting the builders defensive design. Blind offlining in games like rust woll hardly yield profit on well built bases. Lazy 2x2s sure but thats the builders fault for building without offline protection in mind.

[hoary wraith]

You can still raid, no ones stopping you, its just not a cakewalk like it is on rust

[hoary wraith]

This isnt designed to stop clans fighting each other Kingsly, its designed so you cant walk over the entire server

[native wolf]

We cleared almost the entire southern half of nerve online , im literally expecting to be offlined because the size of our base but no ones going to because of the cost, so now the southern half is just dead, we have barely been on for 2 days as a result.

[hoary wraith]

Can you see why? You've taken a beta test where literally everyone is trying out the game for the first time and you caused everyone to quit

Thats what the offline protection is meant to stop, people like your group

[native wolf]

Is raiding and pvp not part of what needs to be tested? We literally discovered way to phase through walls in peoples bases and reported it to the admins

[hoary wraith]

But the server isnt dead due to offline protection, its due to a group of sweaty players

[clear ermine]

Offlining isn’t PvP bro

[native wolf]

Maybe a 3rd type of server for sweats would be ideal then. So everyone can play there preffered

[native wolf]

Read the first sentence. They were online

We took multiple doors for no boom cost

[hoary wraith]

Its like you just said, you dominated the server for a day or two, now you haven't been on because no one else is sweating in a beta test. Why would any player who just got access want to play in a server where they're going to get dogwalked?

They dont know the game well enough to rise to the challenge because its a test, No ones played it before

[native wolf]

Theres people who run from the fire and people who run into it. We drive around the map looking for the biggest group so we have a good fight

Im saying a server where thats the point might do good. Like atlas zerg servers

[hoary wraith]

I want to emphasise something there, you drive. There's hundreds of people playing that dont even know theres cars, because its a test my guy, its new

Ive not come across one working car in my entire time playing, been across the whole map never seen a player with one.

[native wolf]

We didnt recieve special instruction, we played and learned. We have a garage with multiple cars

We tested, and experomented

We played the game through

[hoary wraith]

I can see im never going to get through to you. Let me word it in rust terminology

Youre roof camping nakeds in a beta test my guy

And then complaining when the dev wants to make it a little easier for the nakeds to not get roofcamped

Again, have a great day :] im off back to runescape

[native wolf]

I dont believe i complained, its a suggestion tab. Im simply advocating for the other side

A one sided discussion yields no progressive action

[twilit peak]

With the many different play styles that people adopt, the best option is to have 3 separate server types. A pve mode, a pvp mode and a pvpve mode. Just add the offline / raid protection to the pvpve mode

[static flower]

idk man the hours of wrecking my sleep schedule just to watch over the base while the homies sleep like its a full time job is pretty fun lol

[native wolf]

its what makes it all worth it, and its why people are so addicted to rust . that mmorning group chat msg "did we survive" cant beat it

[static flower]

Facts

[delicate sun]

This entire thread and all the back-and-forth arguing is pointless if you ask me. Devs can just give server admins options on how they want to set things up for each server they operate, and configure different styles of official servers as well. Then everyone is happy. Y'all making a mountain out of a mole hill 😞

[twin herald]

Brother. I’m 31 years old. I do a lot more things than play video games. If I drop 4 hours in one day looting and gathering supplies and lose almost all that in one night because I’m not on the game, I’m never playing that game again. Hence why I stopped playing rust.

[static flower]

The tip I can give here is to find a server (which won’t be until the game launches) that has like only weekend raids and such that way you can chill and relax until the weekend, it makes things way less stressful if you’re too busy

[native wolf]

but you do not speak for the people who actually have time to play the game. why should we all be put on a raid timer while you are busy? You should be the one to go to a server that fits your individual needs, not force everyone else to wait till its convenient to you for us to get rid of the base that's building up next door or occupying the spot we want to build.

[twin herald]

I’m not saying yall should be put on a “raid timer”. I said if there is constant offline raiding, like in rust, I’m not gonna play. It’s kinda that simple.

I’m not forcing anyone to play my way lmao.

And you’re right. I don’t speak for people who have the time. But you don’t speak for the people who DONT have the time to play 18 hours a day in a game just so some sweaty nerd waits until you log off to raid your shit.

[native wolf]

So play pve, those servers literally exsist for casuals.

[native wolf]

or this

[twin herald]

Again, I plan on it if there is a lot of offline raiding

Like. You’re arguing with thin air rn.

[native wolf]

you said you werent playing at all, your story has holes.

[hoary wraith]

Kingsly? Respectfully brother, youre still here arguing with people that you should be aloud to offline raid everyone? Do you not play any other games?

[native wolf]

take a read, im not the only one. As long as its an open thread for discussion im free to discuss no?

[hoary wraith]

Yes Kingsly, you are free to entertain us all. Carry on

[native wolf]

Sure its nice if the other team is online so we can have a fight. But the point is why do i have to play around your schedule if your not available? if a base is near me with a tower that i do not want there, why do i need to ask the owner when its most convenient for us to raid.

It makes sence to anyone who pvps, but the only ones with opposing arguments are pve players saying that the pvp server should be run like the pve server, which is silly.

[hoary wraith]

Kingsly. No ones saying you cant fight. Youre actively asking not to fight. This is a make you pvp suggestion

[twin herald]

Brother said “people who don’t PvP” 😂😂 I ain’t scared to gun at anyone. 1vX. My point is, if I’m gonna lose everything, I would rather actually be able to shoot instead of get offline raided by some nerd. Like. You sound idiotic.

Imma shut up before I get banned. Have the day you deserve

[remote hollow]

Guys chill

[native wolf]

im only giving game related context, im not attacking intelligence or throwing backhanded insults in loo of an argument. The second someone starts to make a little sense they abandon the discussion and switch to rude remarks. Its not even constructive anymore.

[remote hollow]

Ye that's why I said calm down 😅

I was not gonna read 200+ msg

[native wolf]

Yeah true i think ive made my case anyway, if anything i think maybe a poll would be good instead of this back and forth

[native wolf]

or this guys comment, hes seems the most level headed here

[remote hollow]

Just try to keep it Civil here there wil be community servers and poeple are free to do whatever Thay want to them

[dry jungle]

Or maybe not arguing about something that has been multiple times been confirmed to be a server settings up to the owner.

[native wolf]

Your talking community servers, did you forget official servers exist?

[dry jungle]

why would you care about official servers if community servers offer excactly what you want?

[native wolf]

Because we dont play modded?

[dry jungle]

since when is community=modded?

[native wolf]

I expect you to be heavily invested in the offline protecction though, but when we came to your base we just crouch boosted onto your roof and the roof doors where left open. So you didnt really get offlined.

[dry jungle]

game doesnt even support mods right now

[native wolf]

This is a discussion page for things to be implemmented into the final release?

[dry jungle]

im sorry what?

[native wolf]

On nerve

[dry jungle]

yeah

[native wolf]

It was my group, we hit most of the server because its a survival game and we aim to play it as it was intended to be played.

[dry jungle]

what about that

[native wolf]

you computer room was the only locked door but we looted the rest

[dry jungle]

I played nerve for 2 days and after that I only logged on to look into cheater reports so I dont really understand your point

[dry jungle]

congratulations, you raided an abandoned base

[native wolf]

it wasnt abandoned yet, we saw you streaming from it the next morning

im assuming thats why your so hard on for no offlining but again it happens

[dry jungle]

i havent even said my opinion on offline raiding

[native wolf]

But you tagged mme specifically, the opposition to it.

[dry jungle]

I played US east most of this playtest

[native wolf]

Loot is loot idrc where it comes from

[dry jungle]

fair

[native wolf]

And for mod reference i keep leaving this discussion but getting retagged into it. I'm not pursuing an argument.

[dry jungle]

I dont really understand where this whole argument comes from in the first place, one of the selling points of ORMOD is the customizability which includes options for offline raiding. If the server does it in a way that you dont like then dont play that server, find another that caters to you

[native wolf]

Ark, Rust, Dayz, Minecraft, every survival craft has customizable community lobbies thats not a unique trait. The core of the game is always official, thats where you go to play the game as intended. and this thread is suggestions to that end. In a modded server you can give everyone god mode, but thats not the acctual game, its a silly server. Im only here to discuss suggestions for official dev managed servers.

[dry jungle]

which all obviously have to be the exact same with the exact same settings in a game built around catering to the widest audience possible

[native wolf]

Again this gentleman sums it up in the most effective way possible. For those that arent up to a full survival mode experience there should be pvpve, and for the role-players you got pve. PVP should remain a FFA no rules experience that simulates what the world is like in a post apocalyptic situation. Introducing a "comfy ruleset" to that is incredibly immersion breaking.

[dry jungle]

oh so you wanna play hardcore then?

isnt respawning also very immersion breaking and devaluing the importance of surviving?

As I said, no point in arguing if raid protection should or shouldnt be there as long as it isnt forced (which is the case) everyone can play the way they want

[hoary wraith]

So the fact youre sat at a pc with a mouse and keyboard instead of sitting in a cave isnt immersion breaking?

[native wolf]

I'm gonna let you sit and reflect on that statement, i really don't think I should be explaining what immersion is to a gown adult but here goes:

immersion/iˈmərZHən/Immersion refers to the state of being deeply engaged and absorbed in an activity.

Going outside to sit in a cave with the belief your in a video game is much closer to delusion or schizophrenia but id consult your primary care physician as i'm not an expert on mental health.

[remote hollow]

Guys...

[native wolf]

While i do enjoy the opportunity to educate those who require it i unfortunately have things to do today. You can leave questions comments and concerns here or DM me privately and ill be more than happy to offer any assistance within my realm of capability.

Take care gents !

[remote hollow]

Iknow it's a hot topic but try to not atack each other 😄

[tepid owl]

Hey guys, so yeah just to clear this up, ORMOD was actually designed with the general idea of having some offline raid protection, this is why we're looking into certain countermeasures etc, not all servers will have this enabled, and its something that will grow depending on feedback as theres 2 sides of the coin, it both feels good to raid but also it's never fun to be offline raided

With the current system it's not totally disabled, but simply harder to raid while players are offline, yes there are timers on this to remove abuse, e.g you can't just log-off the second you start getting raided, and inactive bases are also ignored, the idea isn't to totally remove offline raiding, but to incentivise online raiding as much as possible, as unlike games like rust (where yes, its genuinely so insanely difficult to online), there is actual stuff that makes it more balanced such as slow build & repair times etc, the idea is to have things as enjoyable for both partys as possible, if you loose an online, its still frustrating but at least you got the chance to defend, if your offlined, at least you know they had to spend a whole lot of boom to do it,

That's were we're at currently, as I said, this system will 100% continue to change, so definitely looking for oppinions & feedback 😄

[native wolf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/shut-up-and-take-my-money-futurama-2--k01KS3CBXS6HB6775W2R1D4QAHB

Riley's such a sweetheart.

[stuck spire]

lol

Whoops sorry for the ping

Made me laugh 😂

[chrome knot]

You could make some kind of item you can build and put in some kind of resource like electricity so you have to work to not be oflined but i have no clue how that would work but a cool idea i had in mind

[orchid fiber]

if there's offline protection it shouldn't be conditional the game isnt supposed to be a second job like rust

[native wolf]

Im choosing to place my faith in the one true Riley. Rust is clearly doing just fine though even with those of you that cant survive wipe day 😌

BUT when we do get that release best believe me and my squad are doing some day 1 base inspections c;

See you on the killing fields boys ! Bwahahah

[orchid fiber]

rust is doing great but im sure we can agree online raids are way more interesting then going through super meta triple bunker bases

plus when people farm less there's more time for interesting things like pvp and online raids lead to more unique bases

also less offlines means higher pop throughout the servers wipe cycle so it stays interesting after the first few days

[errant cipher]

This thread has gone absolutely wild, and its pretty irrelevant at this point but I'm going to key in just a bit.
@native wolf now i agree with you that having "offline" protection and specific raid times isn't the way, BUT, as I've stated in other posts and how some people feel in here, I feel there has to be some sort of a safety net to ease and help with the curse of PvP(destruction and base raiding are my only concerns) there is more people who play "casual" aswell as have lives outside of the game and to ignore them for the blood thirsty is just simply foolish.
You can compare this game to rust saying how they are doing things, and how well they're doing are doing until you're blue in the face but the simple truth is, this isn't rust, and it WILL NEVER (nor should it be) be a comparable game to it if people want to play rust.. guess what? they will simply play rust. we can all agree that rust has one of the most toxic communities out there and there absolutely is a large number of players who want that c**k and ball torture, myself included, ill play rust every couple months for a solid few days and then move on, but again this game isn't rust and if we compare it to "rust like" "survival PvP" games there are HUNDREDS in the bone pile because developers either A. cant get it right or B. try too hard to be in direct competition with a game that most players will naturally migrate back too.
i have expressed my concerns in posts aswell as with talking to @tepid owl himself, this game in the current direction is going to be an identity crisis, its trying too hard to be multiple genres, meanwhile its also trying to do PvP, PvE, other modes, aswell as wanting to add basically ultimate control to private/hosted servers i fear the player base split will be its biggest downfall.

i mean no disrespect to kingsly and apologize if i came off rude i only replied to you because you're the most vocal in here, now obviously these are all my own opinions but ive played hundreds of playtests, alphas, betas etc so I'm ignorantly confident in what i say.

[clear ermine]

If you’re a “PvP” player who is in favor of offline raids you’re laughing contradiction. Aim up pver

[hoary wraith]

I agree on the identity part, this game could be massive with PvE content, massive bosses, raids, etc like arc raiders, push the needle too far into pvp and you invite exactly the arc raiders battle royale crowd who ignore the bots and hunt players.

[native wolf]

We dont touch a bot till the entire lobby falls silent. Pvp is the only way to go

[native wolf]

If you cant build I think call of duty might be more your speed. Dont play a base building game if your too scared to log out

[hoary wraith]

But you just said a few days ago, after cleaning the server out you didnt log in to play just to check you hadn't been offlined

[native wolf]

The bots in arc raiders

[tepid owl]

Oh boy -

[native wolf]

We tried to get our aggression level so high we never had to hear " hey raider" again

[tepid owl]

I come back & check 🤣

[hoary wraith]

At least we're being respectful this time xD

[native wolf]

lmao this do be the biggest topic in survival games @tepid owl everyones always gimme an online and then they seal there base with 25 armored walls and despawn in core

[tepid owl]

🙂 Yeah I know hahahaha

[hoary wraith]

But you cant despawn on here to my knowledge xD the games storage system is literally the floor

[tepid owl]

This is very correct tbh

When ppl get offlined - they get off 😄

[native wolf]

correct me if im wrong but i think breaking your own computer might trigger despawn. So essentially grief the base, break the console, log off?

[hoary wraith]

Thats a bit extreme though for most players, why break my own base garunteed when I have a chance to defend it?

[native wolf]

Because when faced with a fight you dont think you can win, most switch to denying loot

[hoary wraith]

Personally I just let them have it and swap servers if they're that sweaty

[native wolf]

we roam 20+ deep on atlas zerg servers, and the amount of times our onlines have been griefed is absurd

[tepid owl]

Hahahaa this was quite funny to read, but yes you are correct honestly 😄 and yeah thats exactly why we're playing testing & taking as much feedback from the community as possible etc, to make things as clear & enjoyable for everyone as possible 😉 i.e, the game isn't done yet 😄

[native wolf]

Also im pretty sure this game is going to have an entire new type of offline defence that people arent even thinking about. With the level of automation i saw im assuming auto transferring loot would be possible

conveyoring it to safe spots and such

this was brought into rust with the industrial update, most of our bases auto mmove the loot between a few armored bunkers depending on where the seismic sensor piccks up the boom vibrations

those kind of inventive builds are why i primarily focus on building, our bases are always a hassel so we sleep good

[tepid owl]

I'm just gonna put this here ^^^ because it was a good question from @hoary wraith + my response 🙂

[errant cipher]

I'm all for PvP and hardly play a game without it, but I also understand the dynamics and respect that come with it... and people/players like you that lack basic respect are what destroy servers and games and thinking anything different is pure ignorance.
Again not everyone wants to spend 4 days building 750 walls, 100 garage doors making some asinine honeycombed base that takes 10 minutes just to open and close doors to depot loot, instead of shitting on everyone else and arguing just to argue why don't you put that base building creativity (I bet you google "best base designs") and try to come up with ideas and suggestions that don't involve leveling a base

[errant cipher]

I very much like the atmosphere and everything about the game, I'm not trying to belittle your vision or change it I just point out what I see and feel, I'll continue playing every chance I get!

[tepid owl]

Thats ok, and yes I understand this, this is exactly why we're trying to find ways to make interactions more friendly honestly

Super open to ideas!!

We want PvP hotspots, but not everywhere

[errant cipher]

Trial and error, we will know nothing until things are implemented and tried, day by day and step by step eventually things will fall into place, good job to you and everyone working on it!

[tepid owl]

Exactly! Always looking for feedback 🙂

[errant cipher]

Arc raiders is also dying out for a reason, there's nothing to actually do in the game, monster hunter is another example, big bosses and things are a temporary glory but get old quick, pvp and competitive gameplay will always be superior in these types of games, hell even escape from tarkov the thrill and fun is during wipes and then it dies out again, to keep people interested in between wipes and major updates is the age old problem

[hoary wraith]

I disagree with you on why arc raiders is dying, the devs leaned into the pvp so the massive audience that bought it for the bosses are leaving, theyve beat the final boss and theres no plans to add new ones, add to the fact that pvp players are wiping whole lobbies before the game even gets started, its getting old for people who even want to pvp but need to learn this new game

Theyve killed off the entire casual player base over there. Both pve and pvp. So, the games dying

[tepid owl]

That & their laxness on cheaters hehe

Goofy ahh temp bans hahahahahah

[hoary wraith]

And the latest monster hunter is dying off because its getting aged out, theres another monster hunter on the way

It always happens 2 years in to monster hunter, their bosses arent repeatable in the same way mmo bosses are, you can finish monster hunter

Im just saying, dismissing PvE because of a game that went away from the message it sold to audiences and a game that has a new release every few years is probably not the best argument against PvE

[hoary wraith]

As long as you guys perma ban on official servers ormod will be fine

[errant cipher]

Monster hunter died within the first month basically, arc raiders got a majority of its hit from streamers such as peanut, but ultimately it's a pretty boring and there's not really a whole lot going on in it, if it was made a pure pve game it would have hardly any players at all because it's not designed for it I'm all for story driven pve survival games but there's not much replay ability to them

[hoary wraith]

At least theyll have to give you more money to play again

[tepid owl]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

Nonono this is us when we find cheaters hahahahah ^^^

[hoary wraith]

On the arc raiders point. The game was already huge before peanut even looked at it, it was number 3 wishlisted on steam, its trailers showed off massive bosses before it even sniffed pvp. It sold itself on the robots

[errant cipher]

Pvp and wipes is what keeps games like these interesting and always allowing for different decisions and play styles etc

[errant cipher]

We will agree to disagree 🤣🤣😘

[tepid owl]

😂

It was definitely big on release 😄

[hoary wraith]

Im sorry brother but I cant take you seriously if you think 100k concurrent players is dead

Im talking monster hunter xD

Yeah it launched with a million, thats insane overhype for what ended up being yet another monster hunter

But for 6 months after that it had 100k concurrent

[dry jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/and-thy-punishment-is-death-gif-13512394209125092742

[tepid owl]

👆

[hoary wraith]

Thats the opposite of dead, im sure riley would have a heart attack if he had 100k concurrent players a month after launch xD

[tepid owl]

I'm just gonna say it, and not to tease u at all hehe but monster hunter is just another monster hunter??? 🤣

Hehehe

[tepid owl]

Ummm - yes

Wait till you hear about the economics of that

[hoary wraith]

Thats not teasing me, I havent even played wilds yet, still 1000ging worlds xD

[tepid owl]

Hahahahah

[hoary wraith]

Im just looking at the numbers, 1 million launch month, 100k concurrent on pc alone for 6 months after that

[tepid owl]

Yee

[hoary wraith]

Not including the 3 consoles it launched on, thats definitely not dead xD

[tepid owl]

Thats not dead - not holding its playerbase yeah

Yep

[hoary wraith]

PvE has a solid fanbase, yeah its not as big as pvp, but id say its a hair more consistent

[tepid owl]

Course it does

[errant cipher]

The drop off after the first month was like 90% even with 100 concurrent as you say that's still incredibly bad haha

[hoary wraith]

100,000

Not 100

Hate to love you and leave you but the cats are up, im happy to defend my on again off again lover monster hunter anytime

[errant cipher]

I don't care enough to actually look into the exacts of it but to say that it did well or anything is simply not real, the game flopped and there will always be the few who love it for what it is, and the few who want to get their money's worth, and the kids who got it as a gift

Sounds like you're on the first category, don't worry Im still that way with the day before. #bringitback

[hoary wraith]

My brother in christ you count a hundred thousand people at the lowest logging in every single day a flop?

What do you count as a success? Trillions?

[errant cipher]

I count a 90% loss in player base in month a flop

[hoary wraith]

And this is why percentage people never win, every game ever has a 90% drop. Even rust

New game vs old game theres always a massive drop from when it's new to a couple months after

[errant cipher]

What's the current player count for PC on wilds??

[hoary wraith]

20,000

Still successful id say, id kill to have 20,000 people playing my game 2 years on

[errant cipher]

Well, once again, we will have to agree to disagree 🤣🤣

[hoary wraith]

Id have to ask again, how many players is successful in your eyes?

Do you really expect a game to launch with a million and still have a million 2 years later?

[dry jungle]

Ok can both of you please calm down, there is no point in arguing if games are dead, redditors can do that for you

[errant cipher]

This is getting us no where, 🤣

[tepid owl]

Hahahhahaha

Yeah 100%

Thanks spar

[hoary wraith]

Fair enough, im just trying to understand where wombat is coming from

[tepid owl]

😄 Nah I understand where all sides are coming from, but yeah its definitely most constructive to keep things ORMOD specific

[hoary wraith]

If it helps every game mentioned in this thread so far is sitting at 20k players daily except tarkov, on steam that ones at 8k, so if you pull it off you could see the same numbers for ormod

[errant cipher]

Listen man if we all agreed the same way this would be a pretty boring world 🥳

[native wolf]

If me dropping your base means you dont come back ill take it as freeing up spots for better players, nothing more boring then raiding roleplayer bases.

[hoary wraith]

I dont even know if I disagree xD I didnt know where you were you coming from

For all I know we're on the same side xD

[hoary wraith]

Kingsly, roleplayers play on community servers

Thats what they're for

[native wolf]

and if u play for the npcc that dont think for themselves or present a challenge then might i suggest a nintendo switch

[hoary wraith]

This games launching on switch? Hell yeah!

[native wolf]

they are gonna be displeased if its ours xD

[hoary wraith]

But you dont play community?

[native wolf]

whatever has highest popwe will be settling in cozy

oh you mean the pves nah

[native wolf]

yea thought u meant pvp

carry on

[dry jungle]

Again since when does community instantly mean modded?

[native wolf]

its adjusted from the base game

[hoary wraith]

He makes an appearance! The legendary Elcan enthusiast

[native wolf]

thats whats meant by modded

rules to make it easier or cozier

[hoary wraith]

Yeah but kingsly, the people you keep aggroing against won't be on the same server as you come launch anyway

Because the game offers customisation

[dry jungle]

No?

[native wolf]

hopefully

Qol adjustments as well

are cozy

[dry jungle]

You can have a completely standard community server with nothing different

[native wolf]

then play official

if nothings changed

[dry jungle]

Often it's just more active admins and better support with problems

[errant cipher]

So ultimately your plan is to see how many people you can make quit just so you can claim to "be the best" on a dead and empty server

[native wolf]

most communities are 2x or loot+

[hoary wraith]

At the moment Kingsly there is no community servers

[dry jungle]

There is

[hoary wraith]

Youre taking your experience from somewhere else and thinking its going to be 1 to 1 here

[dry jungle]

Nerve is testbed for community servers

[native wolf]

if that was the case rust would be dead, the roleplayers leave day 2 and then cchads roam the server , its the way of life

[hoary wraith]

I thought it was official, my bad

[hoary wraith]

According to my new friend wombat, rust is dead

It has 20k daily, dropped from its peak of 250k

[native wolf]

well hes not the brightest but hes passionate

[hoary wraith]

Thats a 95% drop

[errant cipher]

You're still so blinded and ignorant that you're comparing this game to rust, when as instated there are HUNDREDS of similar games that have died because of that mentality

[hoary wraith]

Wombats got this, go team!

[native wolf]

iwish this was a thread in backers suggestion honestly, i dont even want to argue rulesets with people who couldnt contribute 20 dollars

[errant cipher]

Rust is actually thriving, if you go back to when it released it was averaging like 5k daily now it's at like 100k daily, polar opposite

[native wolf]

thats like not paying toward groceries and complaining bout the menuu

[dry jungle]

Wombat was a backer, there's no need to be disrespectful to people who don't opt in to a voluntary donation

[errant cipher]

I actually supported for quite a few months, I however, have a wife, kids, amongst other things so I choose to not continue a monthly payment.

[native wolf]

you ccan scroll up to the start of the disrespect, you mmight be surprised to see it wasnt me

[hoary wraith]

Ive also got money set aside for 4 copies on launch day for my close crew, until preorders are on the table I support by getting eyeballs on the project

[native wolf]

wasnt targetted to u gizmo ur a creator

[hoary wraith]

Point is everyone is valid here, all opinions, all dollars and deniros

[native wolf]

this wombat guy tho, cumbersome and combative

[errant cipher]

Only to ignorance

[hoary wraith]

Both to your corners

[errant cipher]

Some of us want to see the game succeed, while others are selfish. I'll let you decide what side of the fence you're on 🫠

[hoary wraith]

You've said your pieces, leave it there

[native wolf]

hundreds of similar games that have died for hundreds of reasons. not becuz you got offlined day 1 and cried.

[errant cipher]

You're right

Is that what you wanted to hear? I hope you get exactly what ever it is you want!

[native wolf]

your skill diff does not present itself as an issue too me, and im not going to play worse so you can feeeel better?

okie night

[errant cipher]

Something tells me you're not nearly as good as you make yourself out to be

[native wolf]

who knows , we will find out on the battle fields !

https://klipy.com/gifs/bh187-braveheart-7--k01KS4NPN4P4D6YPXAQX2AJNB0E

[errant cipher]

Haha I've spent plenty of hours in the most populated NA severs and you haven't been a threat yet 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[native wolf]

ofc not i never wentto NA :x

[errant cipher]

I guess most of us are safe then! Phew!

[dry jungle]

He played on the only community server and then complains about community servers

[native wolf]

not on my life, not when my pooks nerve made the best server

it was listed under officcial so

[dry jungle]

Because that's easier than opening community server

[native wolf]

i mean if u mislabeled it that has nothing to do with me

places server in official, claims its not official

[errant cipher]

You're new here, the rest of us OGs understand

You'll get there one day little buckaroo!

[dry jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/kabangu-upset-annoyed-gif-14814728

[native wolf]

oof buckaroo

your unc, now i get the skill diff

[errant cipher]

What part of the wife and kids was confusing to you??

[native wolf]

maybe go checck on then instead of trying to convince gamers on diusccord not to bully you in a video game

idk wierd priorities "buckaroo"

[errant cipher]

I promise you're the least of my concerns in a game.

[native wolf]

yet here you remain

yapping

[errant cipher]

For the greater good

[native wolf]

to someone whos unwavering

[hoary wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-greater-good-evil-funny-gif-5283257

[native wolf]

and will remain unphased

[errant cipher]

How about big guy, is that better than buckaroo?

You got this big guy!

💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[native wolf]

i cant continue the bacck nd forth

now it feels like bullying my grandpa

[errant cipher]

Good choice.

[native wolf]

gota respect my elders , you win grandmaster

[native wolf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/esqueletojajaja--k01KS4P56GVFPFAZWFMYM1EC7B0

[errant cipher]

You should join and live stream rust for us tomorrow so we can see your superior building strategies

[native wolf]

omg how

how u still typingf, you win xD

i dont care your too old for me, i need an adult

[errant cipher]

You can just call me daddy from now on

I think that's a sign you should leave

[native wolf]

i think ima report this to the discord police

[errant cipher]

You definitely can try!

[native wolf]

shud not be askin kids to ccall you "daddy"

freak

[dry jungle]

Don't dox yourself kingsly

[errant cipher]

Mr Daddy to you

[native wolf]

forced to for my safety

[errant cipher]

Put some respec on it

[native wolf]

he makin wierd statements

[errant cipher]

You're the one who wanted to call me unc

I'm just keeping it in the family!

[dry jungle]

No, you should have just told him that it made you feel uncomfortable

[native wolf]

i did and he continued

[dry jungle]

No need to put in your age

[errant cipher]

I'm actually going to bed now good luck fam

[native wolf]

check on your 401k first

[hoary wraith]

Goodnight wombat, thanks for the entertainment

[errant cipher]

Just did

18% baby

[native wolf]

no frame of refference

i can get up from a seated position without support

[dry jungle]

Impressive for a Zerg and league player

[errant cipher]

Glucosamine pills help lubricant my joints, I'm still good

[native wolf]

new suggestion, eldercare servers

wait ima make that

[errant cipher]

Wrong place for a.new suggestion

Perfect place for unhealthy disagreements

[tepid owl]

Alright guys - locking this thread 😄

[errant cipher]

Boooo

[tepid owl]

Yeah boo all ya want, but its definitely not being very constructive lol

[native wolf]

he woke me up for this, it wasnt me xD

[tepid owl]

Might be unlocked in the future etc, but its getting a little too he-said she-said & name calling which really doesnt get anywhere at all

So just take a breather everyone 😄

[stuck spire]

/kill command