Rak Gol

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u want to get free money faster?

[gaunt estuary]

spent 16723478 stars

on a tech branch

that has a tech

that actively makes the whole branch worse

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how?

[gaunt estuary]

ok so

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smelt metal isnt bad

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its not

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if u combine with excavate u get free stars + good mine placement

plus

if u have a lonely mountain that isnt contributing, use it to get stars

dont even bother excavating it if u cant put something there tho

then its boom free 5 stars

[gaunt estuary]

ok but

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only if u suck

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smelt would fit another tech much better

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which tech

[gaunt estuary]

nerf it a whole lot

call it something different

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what

[gaunt estuary]

and put it into barbarism (and move discipline to philo while youre at it, you botched that poor tech)

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no

no

no

[gaunt estuary]

idk how the whole "see where resources are" shit would work

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ok heres the thing

if i put smelt metal into the starting tech

[gaunt estuary]

but i think it would have a better place early on to get the stars necessary to get the tribe to a place where it can fight back

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u are almost guaranteed to get an extra 15 stars at the start of the game

which means u can literally buy a knight on turn 1 or 2

[gaunt estuary]

mate

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.

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it will incentivize u to butcher ur late game

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if its nerfed

then its useless

[gaunt estuary]

no?

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because then u are wasting 1/2 of this tribe's only available source of population

[gaunt estuary]

2 star chop was busted, and the abundance of metal in their terrain is practically the same (a bit rarer but stil)

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u can fight back with riders or archers or catapults

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here's the thing tho

with other tribes

u could afford to chop forest for 2 reasons

1. u can grow it back later if needed

u can get farms for food

but

not with rak gol

with metal

u cannot get it back later for mines

[gaunt estuary]

you dont need to

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and ur only other source of population will be charcoal kiln

and a power plant without a blacksmith is abd

because

a good power plant will take both a blacksmith and a charcoal kiln

if u waste half ur population

u will not get ur super units out

and you will be weak af

[gaunt estuary]

why do you need super units necessarily?

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cuz they're goated and u get so much so fast

[gaunt estuary]

rak gol has push power regardless

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as soon as u build ur first power plant u will get 3 super units

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not against giants no

their only reliable unit will be knight spamming

[gaunt estuary]

catapults, youre getting forestry and saws anyway

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either way

i am not moving metal smelting

it is good in the smelting tech

[gaunt estuary]

i am tho 😏

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bro

[gaunt estuary]

i love modding

is there singleplayer replay feature

or mod

did mrb make one

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i do not ❌ give you permission to post your edited version of my tribe anywhere in this server

[gaunt estuary]

no i wont post

im not dumbahh

[gaunt estuary]

ts is way better imo

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bro

i dont care 🙏

[gaunt estuary]

i do tho

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smelting metal isnt barbaric

[gaunt estuary]

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btw

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the metal would say otherwise

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the metal cannot speak, as it has no mouth

[gaunt estuary]

"iron maw"

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and it makes no sense to smelt metal that u cant even mine to in the first place

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that iron has a mouth

but

not the metal

metal =/= iron

all iron is metal but not all metal is iron yk

[gaunt estuary]

well

in medieval times

which we are in cause of the use of gunpowder in the bombers design

swords were made out of steel

and steel uses iron

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which require mining to get first

so whats ur point

[gaunt estuary]

so the metal in polytopia most likely is iron

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its yellow

iron is not yellow

also

it doesnt matter

[gaunt estuary]

bro thats not the point

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because

even if it is iron

you cannot smelt it

if u cannot mine to it

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u can tho

i mean whats stopping you

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the mountain probably

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mining tech refers to like advanced mining cause polytopians are capable of mining stone without the mining tech (city wall)

and mining open metal deposits arent so different

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do you smelt stone

and

is stone depicted in the image

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i dont see an open metal deposit unless im playing as poldam and in that case i put them there myself

[gaunt estuary]

i mean you can clearly see the metal in-game

on top of the mountain

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its not on top of the mountain its in the mountain

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also

back to the original "smelting isnt barbaric"

how is discipline barbaric

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its only called discipline in game

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the opposite fucking mentality

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because its hardcoded that way

and

[gaunt estuary]

you can rename with loc no?

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if it was not called discipline i couldnt use it with graniero

the point is they take 1 less kill to promote

dont mind the name

[gaunt estuary]

well the point is get 3 stars from metal

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but they cannot get to the metal

without mining

and they cannot melt the metal

without a forge

which is unlocked

in smelting

[gaunt estuary]

they can tho cause i can train a swordsman without ever placing a forge

or getting a workshop for the matter

cause same sprite as forge

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u dont need the forge persay just the technology used in the forge

to create the swordsman

and

in this case

to melt the metal

[gaunt estuary]

and if we were to rename it to "sell metal"?

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u cant sell a metal u cant get to

and

who tf is buying metal

from a pack of orcs

who probably want to kill you

and

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uhh sell not export

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how should orcs understand trade

without trade even being a tech

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who tf are they selling it to

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citizens?

like private orc mercenaries need metal from somewhere

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aint no citizens want a hunk of metal that isnt useful unless u research the opposite end of the tech tree

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there isnt a thing known as private orc mercenary

[gaunt estuary]

so during a riot the orcs just dont rise up?

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nope

they get whipped back into shape

[gaunt estuary]

but daggers spawn

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or eaten

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you'll notice they're not orc

[gaunt estuary]

regardless

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thats cause poly isnt meant for an orc tribe

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cool

so what

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lore-acly they're orc rebels

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are u being racist towards orcs

[crude light]

the orcs turn into polytopians and then revolt

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no they're evil humans who want to invade the orcs cuz they think the orcs are too barbaric

[gaunt estuary]

and the cloak gives birth to 8 fully grown daggers

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yes

[gaunt estuary]

within 1 turn

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the cloak was very pregnant

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ok dude

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wait

[crude light]

there. problem solved

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8?

max is 5

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is there a cap?

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yes

5

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huh

then 5

[finite vector]

look how happy my orcs are

i like how they cant even conceive the concept of fruits

[crude light]

lol

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i mean bro why be vegetarian when there's meat on the menu

[finite vector]

Vegan rak gol skin

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ew

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does this tribe really need any updates? i want to change house 4 thats about it

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maybe i can update the trees too

and the power plant

idk

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but quick question why is aquarion forest on cymanti land

[gaunt estuary]

fixxx earlx gamee

[finite vector]

It's not that is forgotten skin terrain

[crude light]

Secret Cymanti lore drop

[finite vector]

they reused cymanti terrain for forgotten, must not be a coincidence

[crude light]

👀👀👀

[finite vector]

also

call me crazy

but the fact that new dawn shares terrain similarities with cymanti must not be a coincidence either

they have something connecting them

[crude light]

That’s crazy

You’re crazy

[finite vector]

there must be a conspiracy there

i just feel it

[crude light]

Cymanti terrain currently has 3 different colors

And 3 is not a coincidence like number…

[finite vector]

what is the double of 3 repeated by 3 times?

thought so

[crude light]

😱

[finite vector]

btw jokes aside i love the forgotten color variation of the terrain, that shade of green at least

[crude light]

True

[finite vector]

it is that shade that makes people go 'hell yeah'

[crude light]

It is indeed a nice green-teal

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oh

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im NOT doing what you said, and the early game can literally be fixed by increasing starting stars to 7 so u can get riding + rider on turn 1

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i want to update this tribe too

and change how the power plant looks

cuz

it looks too technologically advanced

[severe osprey]

This mod isn't compatible with Luxidoor + Baushama!

it gives a duplicate key error because both mods have the Discipline in them

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wgattt

thats insane

[severe osprey]

I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard of a fix...

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how

how would i fix?

[severe osprey]

isn't there a way you can add like a + before something to add it instead of overwrite

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there is

but the issue is

im not overwriting anything

both times discipline is unlocked is in completely different techs

and since its a vanilla feature, it should not cause compatibility issues

[severe osprey]

that or just rename the ability for one of the two mods to something else and change nothing else

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i cant rename discipline in the code

[severe osprey]

is discipline like a removed feature or something?

from vanilla

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no

[severe osprey]

i mean

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its still there

if it wasnt there, you couldnt be using it

[severe osprey]

so discipline is a scrapped polytopia feature still in the game's code?

just confirming

[finite vector]

Yes but without localization lol iirc

[broken quest]

correct

it just doesnt have loc

@finite vector could loc cause 2 mod incompatibilities

[severe osprey]

Ah, okay, that makes more sense then

[finite vector]

Idk don't think so

One just gets overwritten probably

[broken quest]

right

so what could it even be

[severe osprey]

would it help if I sent a log file?

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yes

[severe osprey]

one moment

actually wait do either of them require polib-

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[Error : Unity] KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'None' was not present in the dictionary

[severe osprey]

i can check myself actually

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negative

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huh

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thats also there but i dont think it is unless maybe it is idk

@finite vector we need ur wisdom

[finite vector]

I've been summoned

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.

how to fix discipline bugs

[finite vector]

Oh maybe they're not compatible then two mods with discipline

Hmm I'd have to check

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:(

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@severe osprey at some point i'll update the luxidoor mod and i will remove discipline

so there isnt incompatibility

though i dont know what i would put in its place

[severe osprey]

You don’t have to do this! Though to be fair besides Mercenary skin existing, I don’t know why Luxidoor has discipline

[broken quest]

because wrath

[severe osprey]

ohh

right yea

[pine spoke]

damn

you guys are dedicated

[severe osprey]

Polytopia holds a special place in my heart for me and I love being able to show that through mods

[pine spoke]

yessss i uderstand

so simple and so fun

There is a lot of stuff and ideas to be added i just played this game for about 25 hours now i am sure i would play it a lot more with more feature and mods just more content overall improving on the main game i really appreciate you guys for making it more enjoyable and going through all the struggles to make it happen

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so at some point i will update this mod

i think what i'll do is

replace the industries and all that with something a bit more orcish

and also bring back cannibalism

and hopefully buff their early game