Militas

[frosty nebula]

I think its a problem with the body, not the wing

I don't know. The wing stil looks wonky

I am using the same proportions as the model and the model looks okay

Whatever
It is fine

[frosty nebula]

It looks very small on the map tile

I can get more if I angle it on the diagonal

Also, it needs to be different colors to stand out on the gray backgroun

[tender pecan]

Can also just size it up like the dragon

[dreamy willow]

Hm... The aircraft rather looks like an attacking drone. We should make it a bit bigger

[tender pecan]

Huh, is the helmets not consistent?

Or is the middle one supposed to be lower on the head

[frosty nebula]

Not consistent at all. I just threw that together. Don't consider it official sizes
We should know better sense of scale when JohnKlipi puts them all in and we test on Friday

[frosty nebula]

Camoflague sniper is proving very difficult to draw and make look significantly different than the already camoflagued soldier

What other ideas do you have for the unit that sets off the nuke?

Can we do a spy?

[tender pecan]

Can I see what you've tried?

[frosty nebula]

Updated fighter jet based on feedback from @tidal parcel

I am going to work on the rammer

[silver spire]

Dude I was staring at the wall for like 10 minutes last night trying to think what the catapults would be. You nailed it

[frosty nebula]

Sounds like a great idea, but hard for me to draw ;)

[tender pecan]

Have you tried foliage?

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-15505006

[frosty nebula]

Like leaves? I think that would be hard to do on such a small scale
Remember, these sprites are very small on the screen

New draft of the helicopter

[tender pecan]

True

Lemme think

[frosty nebula]

Updated helicopter with better windows

[frosty nebula]

Oooh
I know what I'm doing to replace windmills!

[frosty nebula]

Fast Food!

[tender pecan]

😂

[frosty nebula]

I am having so much fun with this tribe, lol

[buoyant anchor]

hey, i dont think i will be free on friday, sorry for that

i will send the mod this saturday

it is almost ready

[dreamy willow]

lol👩‍🦼

[frosty nebula]

Windmill replacements

[buoyant anchor]

LMAOOOO

[dreamy willow]

If I understand correctly, the number of cars indicates McDonald's level

[buoyant anchor]

yes

[dreamy willow]

April the first my beloved

can't wait

[buoyant anchor]

i have an idea. i will add new trait to units, when they step on mcdonalds, they get fatter and gaining defence

[gentle snow]

1 movement though

[dreamy willow]

So you basically offer an analog for Cymanti fungi. But instead of def ×0.7 it affects spd -1 and def +0.5

[fallen kelp]

This one looks much better

[frosty nebula]

I love the idea, but only if you give them heart disease and a heart attack 8 turns later ;)

[buoyant anchor]

lol, nah, im joking haha

it will be just a reskin

[frosty nebula]

I think temples can be radio/cell towers

or telephone poles

I'll see which looks better

For the nuke unit, can we just use a target symbol?

Like this

I can just move closer and closer to the intended nuclear target

What are the stats for that unit? Is it invisible?

[tender pecan]

The ghost? Yeah

[tender pecan]

Forest temples can be national parks, normal temples can be the radio/cell towers, mountain temples have radio towers

Idk about water temples

I was thinking oil rig but that wouldn't fit because you won't get oil from it

[frosty nebula]

I think they should all be cell/radio towers. It is simpler that way and less graphics to make. We are running short on time

somthing like this

[tender pecan]

ah okay

[frosty nebula]

I'm not sure about the color. Maybe for ocean towers, I make it dark grey

Eh. It works

I need levels for the temples next

[buoyant anchor]

i mean, we can just not change them lmao

[frosty nebula]

okay, good

Less work for me to make levels for the temples. I think they look fine

What do we do about the meditation tech?

Can we put the tech that two kills creates a veteran?
Maybe call it combat training?

[buoyant anchor]

uhhh i dont think its good to put alpha stuff tbh… can raise issues with midji

[frosty nebula]

okay. Good point

So what can we do with meditation tech?

[buoyant anchor]

I guess nothing

just leave it as it is

[tender pecan]

.

This was my idea

[buoyant anchor]

do you understand that it says literally nothing

you just renamed the tech, cool

but like bru

explain idea ig?

[frosty nebula]

Information age. Okay. That is fine

[buoyant anchor]

yeah but like

just changing name?

if yes, then okay ig

[frosty nebula]

What is the guerilla warfare tech about @tender pecan ?

[buoyant anchor]

Wait, i have better idea than information age

i think pacifism

sounds better

or geneva convention

lol

cuz u get pacifist task

• there is medic after

[tender pecan]

Modern tribes use different terminology and some of the tech names don't make sense to be called those in the time period

[buoyant anchor]

information age seems not to fit

[buoyant anchor]

yeah i see

[tender pecan]

Yeah I like that

[buoyant anchor]

ah, cool!

[tender pecan]

I didn't have a good idea, just threw one on there

[tender pecan]

Defense bonus in forests

Essentially forest tactics

Honestly I like the name 😂 it's one of my favorites

[frosty nebula]

Yes. I like Geneva convention. That is fun

[frosty nebula]

Does that mean we move defense bonus in forest from archery/ballistics to guerilla warfare/spiritualism?

[tender pecan]

oh shoot I forgot that

lol mb

hmm

honestly might

[dreamy willow]

LMAO

[frosty nebula]

Yeah, I like moving forest defense to spiritualism for this tribe

Updated draft of the tech tree

@buoyant anchor please pin that

What do you think of putting peace treaties in "Geneva Convention" ?

[buoyant anchor]

from balance point, i dont think its a good idea

okay im starting putting sprites in

[frosty nebula]

okay
Thanks

How is this for Altar of Peace?

[tender pecan]

I like it

[tender pecan]

I think this needs like supports

[frosty nebula]

strange...

hmm

[tender pecan]

?

[frosty nebula]

better

[tender pecan]

Ah okay

[buoyant anchor]

@frosty nebula i will make oil a different resource from animal

if that’s ok

other possibility: when capturing land, animals of other tribes are replaced by the fuel

for now i wont touch it though

i will be doing that the last

[frosty nebula]

Yes. I prefer to keep the oil and replace animals in other terrain with the fuel, like the Elyrion skin changes the animals

[buoyant anchor]

oki

@frosty nebula how are their rammer and scout called?

i called scout cutter internally

[frosty nebula]

Let me find it

[buoyant anchor]

but i did not yet internally name rammer

okay so

i will inverse scout and rammer naming

i will call rammer assault boat in code

[frosty nebula]

Rammer is a Zumwalt

[buoyant anchor]

ok. i will name it in loc like that then

[frosty nebula]

There are two images I still need to make, the target for the nuke (will replace the cloak) and the nuke animation

[buoyant anchor]

what i have already put in

[tender pecan]

You've got the ghost?

[buoyant anchor]

okay so

if everything goes good

and if i wont go out tomorrow after work

i will put a testing build here

so y'all can play

[frosty nebula]

I was thinking to replace the ghost with the target. So not an actual figure on the map, just the representation of a target

Like this

[gentle snow]

Nuke unit!?

Oh, cloak

[tender pecan]

Ah okay

I'll save the ghost idea for myself

[frosty nebula]

Nuke animation
I don't know how it works in the game or if you can even add animation like that

@buoyant anchor how does animation work in the game?

[silver spire]

I was really hoping you would turn the temples into mega churches

[buoyant anchor]

i think most of animations are just moving objects

so not like gifs or smth

[dreamy willow]

It should also spread radiation (-5 hp per turn 3 turns) on two tiles distance!

As for animation, agreed with Klipi. I think moving nuclear mushroom-like fire upwards is enough

[buoyant anchor]

Im gonna be honest, i dont really understand idea at all now

So, y'all want to make a unit which looks like a target cross?

Does it still only target cities?

[tender pecan]

Could just do the final image and have it get bigger

[buoyant anchor]

Recover (is able to throw a med kit, even after moving, to any unit within 2 tiles of it, healing it for 6hp)

so, basically it can attack allied units, and by doing that it heals them?

also... shouldnt helicopter be able to fly? @frosty nebula

instead we can debuff it somehow

for example, 0 defence

also, was tank scrapped?

my bad

did not see it

[tender pecan]

I don't think that's necessary

It can't use roads

So it's effective range is already nerfed

But I guess it can chain water units hmm

On land it's fine but op on water

[frosty nebula]

So instead of a little person, the cloak substitute is a target graphic. A player moves it across the map, like a cloak. It is invisible to other players, but can be detected with the little eyeball if an opponent is adjacent and revealed if attacked. Just like a cloak

When the target attacks, it releases the nuke instead of daggers

[frosty nebula]

I'm not sure about helicopter having fly. I think not, from a balancing perspective, but I don't feel strongly about it
I like the idea of giving it fly and zero defense. That helps with balance

Mystic has a good point about water. We do not want helicopter to chain naval units

[tender pecan]

What if they had dry fly?

Can't fly over water

Or maybe even just ocean tiles

[frosty nebula]

Here is the mushroom cloud by itself and the nuclear waste after

[buoyant anchor]

so target attacks cities like a cloak?

right?

[frosty nebula]

YEs

Target moves and attacks like a cloak

[buoyant anchor]

👍

[buoyant anchor]

@frosty nebula i will put a build in 3 hours

[frosty nebula]

nice

[buoyant anchor]

i lied though, i am really just falling asleep

i will finish tomorrow, sorry

its 1 am for me

gn

[frosty nebula]

Its okay. Sleep is important

[reef ingot]

Catapult should be artillery

In modern warfare even as artillery is as mobile as it may be, it's no where near as mobile as tanks

And rocket artillery absolutely has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more range than anything a tank can offer

[frosty nebula]

Thanks, but you are a bit late to the discussion, Mcompany

Hopefully, Johnklipi will have this ready to test tomorrow

I welcome input on the stats of the units and balancing

[buoyant anchor]

yup

[minor summit]

Are you going to replace all the sprites with more modern ones? (for example, the mine and the bridge)

By the way, I remind you that you need 2 audio files : music.wav and nature.wav

[buoyant anchor]

(if tribe is called warfare in gld, how do i name wav files?)

[minor summit]

music_warfare.wav + nature_warfare.wav

[buoyant anchor]

@frosty nebula what i understood is: all animals in territory of warfare tribe turn into oil, and if for example normal tribe captures the city it turns back to animal. that’s right?

[frosty nebula]

Correct

[frosty nebula]

Mine and bridge are unchanged. Also roads are unchanged

Tribe name is Militas

[buoyant anchor]

then it means it is already done correct 🙂

[frosty nebula]

I have about an hour now to test before I need to go offline for a bit

[buoyant anchor]

i need yet to do nukes though

[buoyant anchor]

10 mins is ok to you?

i just entered home

[frosty nebula]

To add:

Tribe name: Militas
Description: Militas brings Polytopia warfare into the modern age.

Language for city names: ??

To fix

Localization
Warrior should be holding gun, not club
Super unit should be the fighter jet
Archer should be the artillery
Mind bender should be medic
Swordsman should be tank
Catapult should be missile launcher
Temple should be radio tower
Windmill should be McDonalds
Catapult should be missile launcher
Cloak should be target
Monuments are missing
Rename tech, for example trade is capitalism

Helicopter unit should have fly ability and 0 defense

@exotic stratus you are the resident linguist. Please come up with a list of sylables for city names that suit this tribe. I trust you

[tender pecan]

City names could be all the significant cities from WW2 and Cold war

[frosty nebula]

It has to be a list of syllables

[tender pecan]

Ah

[exotic stratus]

Good point

[buoyant anchor]

not a good point at all

[exotic stratus]

I was thinking of syllables that would be Part Germanic - Part Romance - Part Slavic

[buoyant anchor]

i dont think it is a good idea to puy any real city names ingame

we can surely put syllables

[exotic stratus]

Not real but inspired by the cultures

I was thinking some German, Polish, Russian, Greek and Latin

[frosty nebula]

Sure. What ever you think is best. You know more about this stuff than I do

[buoyant anchor]

send ur ideas for syllables

i will put em in

[buoyant anchor]

it put mos,kva,ber,lin,lon,don,pa,ris,to,kyo,rom,e,war,saw,man,il,la,pea,rl,har,bor,sin,ga,pore,dre,sden

for now

what a coincidence lol

[fallen kelp]

Dresden 🗿

Hope no one uses planes against it

[buoyant anchor]

[frosty nebula]

@flint blaze and @tender pecan what do you think about the submarine having the hide ability?
I think it makes sense to make it invisible to opponents like a cloak

[tender pecan]

Hmm, but it also can attack like a bomber

?

[buoyant anchor]

loc for techs done ✅

[buoyant anchor]

can u send me pls sprite without the guy?

[flint blaze]

No that’s insane, you can detect submarines

You can add hide but remove dash

[tender pecan]

What's dash again?

[buoyant anchor]

move and attack

without dash after moving u cant attack

[tender pecan]

What does the sub do again?

[buoyant anchor]

check pinned and excel

[tender pecan]

Huh- why is the health 10?

[buoyant anchor]

idk. i think y'all have to decide on balance stuff

it seems to me very unfinished

[tender pecan]

It should be the health of the unit in it

[buoyant anchor]

ah, well it is that way anyway rn

it takes unit health

[tender pecan]

Okay 👍

[buoyant anchor]

@frosty nebula also, i realized we need unit icons

[dreamy willow]

Peasden, Topore, Gadon, Sdenrl

[frosty nebula]

IT is in the drive as missile launcher 02

[buoyant anchor]

gonna put the launcher in rn

@frosty nebula so what about units stats? excel seems unfinished

for now i just put stats from it though

[dreamy willow]

What the rocket launcher parameters will be like? Catapult?

[buoyant anchor]

u can check excel, i think it is similar to exida rn

2 move + splash

[dreamy willow]

aha, got it

[buoyant anchor]

i will try to cook new build in around 40 mins

[frosty nebula]

I made a new folder in the drive called icons
Please look at them and let me know if those work

[buoyant anchor]

i dont think they fit

i mean like

they should be white

[frosty nebula]

okay, I can make them white

[buoyant anchor]

like here

[frosty nebula]

sure

[buoyant anchor]

and then its all good

[frosty nebula]

Also, I think the stats in the sheet are correct
@flint blaze or @tender pecan would know better

[buoyant anchor]

its just that i dms u said to add fly to helicopter

wait, which sprite does artillery use?

in all sprites unit just holds the gun

[frosty nebula]

Oh. Yes
I updated helicopter - Dash, persist, fortify, fly. Defense 0

[frosty nebula]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10ZjV_EHyFvREZwjBqDrbsZhLW2cjUyje/view?usp=drive_link

Solider holding an assault riffle

It is a bigger gun that the gun the soldier has

I added the icons as white version

[buoyant anchor]

normal solider has just pistol?

[flint blaze]

Are we switching Dash for invisible?

However if we do use invisible it must reveal itself after it attacks

[buoyant anchor]

does helicopter really need fortify?

[frosty nebula]

nah, you can remove fortify from helicoptyer

[frosty nebula]

I defer to you. What do you think?

[flint blaze]

That works for me

Or wait we can actually do both if it reveals itself after it attacks

Because the invisible will just do nothing

I lowered the attack to 3.5 and upped the defense to 1.5

[frosty nebula]

correct

[flint blaze]

Wait why does helicopter have 0 defense

[buoyant anchor]

cuz fly

[flint blaze]

Why does that mean 0 defense?

[buoyant anchor]

idk

just a nerf

sum

[flint blaze]

Fly makes it unable to use roads

[buoyant anchor]

yeah so

but it makes it possible to chain naval units

which is very strong already

[flint blaze]

It practically makes it a glass cannon

[frosty nebula]

Does the rammer and scout unit use the icon of the unit inside?

[minor summit]

Why not change them?

[frosty nebula]

I think the mine and road already fit. No need to change them

[flint blaze]

Give it something like static then (make it unable to become a veteran)

Also what’s happening with the Ghost and nuke?

[frosty nebula]

I want the cloak replacement to be a target. When it attacks, it releases the nuke

[minor summit]

the road can be paved, the bridge metal, the mine can be a quarry

[frosty nebula]

Meh. I don't want to

I have other things I need to work on to get this ready

I need to start recording for the video

[minor summit]

ok

[buoyant anchor]

good idea, dont forget we cant edit roads bru

[frosty nebula]

I want to figure out how to make a skin #1352677795452682260 so I can show how to it in the video

[buoyant anchor]

@minor summit help here pls

cuz i am busy

i will explain tomorrow

if exploit wont be able

[minor summit]

i'll try

[tender pecan]

Knights are pretty much one anyways

[buoyant anchor]

okay so

im finish up the sprites

i will send the latest build i have and then i will go to sleep

y'all can test stuff and say what is missing

loc is still heavily missing

nukes are also not yet present

[minor summit]

wontfix™️...

😭

[buoyant anchor]

latest build

now i am going to sleep

[minor summit]

5 MB harddrive being shipped by IBM - 1956.

[buoyant anchor]

[buoyant anchor]

i accidentally removed tank

well only the sprite

unit is still present

gn

[frosty nebula]

Thanks for your help. I will test more and give feedback
It is coming along well

[flint blaze]

Yeah that’s what I sort of put for the cloak

But if you want to go fully with mystics idea, go ahead, he knows the concept way more than I do

But @tender pecan you’d have to edit it on the doc

[frosty nebula]

Militas

[tender pecan]

@frosty nebula I recommend you make the trees bigger

[frosty nebula]

Yes. The trees should fill the tile

[frosty nebula]

Do I need to change the sprite or can JohnKlipi fix it?

[minor summit]

if size is wrong you need to change the PPU (pixels per unit)

https://github.com/PolyModdingTeam/PolyMod/wiki/1.-Mod#sprites

[buoyant anchor]

good morning

[dreamy willow]

G'morning 🫖 ☕

[buoyant anchor]

i will adjust them.

[buoyant anchor]

i'll fix it

[merry pecan]

Light & shadows of the trees, houses, ground and mountains seem set randomly. They should be lighted on the right side and shadowed on the left side

[frosty nebula]

List of things to fix

Name in the menu still says "tribes.warfare." Should be Militas
Oil harvest localization. Oil resource says "Building.names.oil.collecting." It should say "Drill"
Fast food tech in the tech tree stills says, "technology.names.fastfood"
Submarine name in tech tree "unit.names.submarine"
Shop name in tech tree "building.names. shop"
Refining name in tech tree and missile launcher name in tech tree
Outline of solider, artillery, raft, sub, and all the unique units. Also the fruit needs an outline (I have org but fruit doesn't have glow outline)
Swordsman unit - > Tank unit
Super unit -> Jet fighter
Monument sprites
When I get a rammer from an ocean ruin, should I get my tribe version?

Questions

Currently, the artillery uses the canon animation and sound effect. It works but could be better. Can we put in a machine gun or pistol gun sound effect?

[buoyant anchor]

i think we can put sounds in. also, most of the stuff here i fixed already, i will put updated version in 10 minutes

thanks for feedback though

it wasnt 10 minutes

i guess i gonna put monuments in and then i will post new build

@frosty nebula i need eye of god and emperors tomb

[frosty nebula]

Okay. I will work on those

[minor summit]

do quarry, road and bridge plz 🙏

[buoyant anchor]

we cant put custom roads in, how much time should i say that/

[minor summit]

oh, true

but bridge and mine (quarry) then

[silver spire]

Eye of God should be an orbital sat laser

[tender pecan]

I think bridge falls under that category

[frosty nebula]

Eye of God satellite dish

[tender pecan]

Hahaha nice

@frosty nebula any momuments you still need? I can help brainstorm

[buoyant anchor]

emperors tomb i guess is still needed

imagine mausoleum

my bad

completely wrong ping

lmao

@minor summit

[tender pecan]

Could do the no named solider thingy

Tomb of the unknown soldier

[minor summit]

what category

i mean roads are impossible to change

cuz they hardcoded nature

in the code

[tender pecan]

Ah

[frosty nebula]

Emperors Tomb

[gentle snow]

Lol this one is so good

Actually what am I saying

[minor summit]

bruh

[gentle snow]

They're all so good

[minor summit]

@frosty nebula

[frosty nebula]

I already said I don't want to make those. I don't think they are needed and I am on a time crunch
I have other things I need to get done for this video

If you could help me figure out the sizes for the sprites in #1352677795452682260 that would be more helpful

[buoyant anchor]

okay, good, the only big thing i have to do is nukes

all other stuff is basically finished

i think aside some units perks though

[frosty nebula]

Nice

[fallen kelp]

Awesome

[buoyant anchor]

TODO

medic

nukes

Latest build of the Militas. Medic and nukes are missing for now @frosty nebula

[buoyant anchor]

not sure that i will be free tomorrow

[buoyant anchor]

i fixed everything here, sounds will be made the last

good night

Also, question about nukes: As far as understand for now, it looks like a target thinghy, and attacks cities like a cloack. After it does that, it takes city income, and randomly explodes some tiles?

[frosty nebula]

yup, sounds about right

[tender pecan]

Oh @frosty nebula did you want the target to function like my idea or smth else?

[frosty nebula]

I am going to test it out and see what it's like now

[tender pecan]

I think we can set it to a normal cloak if you want. Can use the ghost mech for the StarCraft mod

[flint blaze]

@buoyant anchor what if per say Espark and I are on the same Polytopia account, both with the Mod, and we do a 1v1 in pass and play by going in and out of it while on separate devices?

[tender pecan]

Probably should ask in general mod

[flint blaze]

Oh yeah

[frosty nebula]

Things to fix

Description in the menu should include, Bring Polytopia warfare into the modern age with guns, tanks, and nukes.
Medic should replace the Mind bender
Helicopter should have the fly ability
Cloak unit should be replaced by the target unit
Outlines are not correct for - truck/rider,
Icons are not added for jeep, artillery, solider,
Temples (all kinds including forest, mountain, and water) should use the temple sprite that looks like a cell tower

Wait. The helicopters can fly, but they don't have "fly" in the stat block

[dapper oasis]

what effects would the nuke have when it’s deployed? would it take away population or would it just do something else?

[buoyant anchor]

just in case, dragon does not have fly either

idk why but ability is not shown i guess

[frosty nebula]

Nuke has the residue ability (deals 1 value damage and poisons anything that steps into it, lasts for 2 turns), also destroys a cities income for the turn it is nuked) ALSO DEALS DAMAGE TO YOUR UNITS

[buoyant anchor]

oh, no, i was wrong

they show Air

above

[dapper oasis]

interesting

also i just realized a general unit might be cool

like it could have the boost ability but it wouldn’t convert any units

it would essentially just be a cheaper shaman

[frosty nebula]

Not for this tribe. We need to publish this in a few days. There is no time to make significant chantes
Feel free to post your ideas in #1282935314276548689

[dapper oasis]

alright

[buoyant anchor]

i only wanted to propose another version of nukes

cuz after thinking a bit current nukes make no sense

if you got to the city it means that there is no much units of opponents around it

meaning it just will explode on some tiles maybe causing damage

[frosty nebula]

What is your idea for the nuke?

[minor summit]

(setting map tiles to null)

💀

[buoyant anchor]

Basically its that: Nuclear Launcher (or another name idk). It is a unit, BUT it can NOT be built on cities. It can only be built on tiles. This unit can NOT move after it was placed, so it kinda functions like building. You can make only one of such unit per city.

Basically something like a guard tower, but not tanky at all

I assume it would have attack range of three tiles, and would upgrade every like turn

And every upgrade gives it more range

maximum of like 5 or 6 tiles

It seems more logical to me to do that, than the target which targets only cities and deals random damage on the tiles where units can be even not present

And, i assume if cloak hit, there probably is not a lot units on city territory anyway

[buoyant anchor]

@tender pecan @flint blaze what do y’all think?

[frosty nebula]

Yes. I like that idea for the nuke @buoyant anchor

Instead of a unit like a cloak, the nuclear war tech allow you to build a missile silo building. It can grow every couple turns, like a temple, to increase its range over time. One per city. Attack would still leave poison on the tiles and can harm your own troops

We should check with Mystic and Wers for balancing

[buoyant anchor]

Yes, cool👍 THOUGH, I would suggest adding another type of posion

I dont want use cymanti one because it will make units create spores

I dont think it will be a very big problem but still

[frosty nebula]

YEs, I don't want it to be the cymanti poison. Some other kind of toxic fallout that has a similiar mechinsism of cymant poison tile

[buoyant anchor]

good. which color do i make the poison though?

[frosty nebula]

Can you use the nuclear waste sprite that I already made?

[buoyant anchor]

For what exactly though?

I think it would look weird

[frosty nebula]

I can work on making a sprite for the building, the missile silo tower

[buoyant anchor]

oki, good

but pls, say the colour i make

maybe orange

for nuclear waste

or something

[frosty nebula]

okay, maybe recolor the cymanti poison a neon/toxic green

[buoyant anchor]

(like unit color)

[frosty nebula]

orange would work too

[tender pecan]

Good do you prevent it

[buoyant anchor]

i will do the orange one

[tender pecan]

How*

[buoyant anchor]

Kill the tower?

[frosty nebula]

There should be a way to counter, yeah

[buoyant anchor]

It is a unit so it can be destroyed

I can make so cloaks kills them

If y’all want

[frosty nebula]

However, in real life, there is no good counter for a nuclear attack, only your own nuclear weapons. Mutually assured destruction

[buoyant anchor]

Like sabotage mechanic or something

[buoyant anchor]

yeah

[frosty nebula]

Ah, its a unit, not a building?

But it looks like a building?

[buoyant anchor]

Exactly

Like think guard tower

[frosty nebula]

So it can be destroyed with a catapult or whatever

[buoyant anchor]

From adobe air

Yes

So it is a unit which is built like a building

One per city

And cant move

But can attack

[frosty nebula]

I don't want cloaks in this if we are going to have the nuke. The nuke should replace the cloak

[buoyant anchor]

I mean cloaks of enemy tribes

Like, if player picked like imperius

It can use the cloak and destroy the nuclear launcher as a way of countering by sabotaging

But that is just an idea

[frosty nebula]

If the nuke tower has a limit on range, you would only build them on the front line cities that are in striking distance of the enemy city. So an opponent should be able to send in a rider or archer to kill it

[buoyant anchor]

Exactly

That was main idea

[frosty nebula]

Make sense

[tender pecan]

Diplo

Honestly we could do cloaks can attack it

@buoyant anchor i think we make it so the nuke gains defense and health over time too, cloaks reset it to it's beginning (I assume it'll have a dragon egg like stage) and normal units is what does the actual damage

So you don't need Diplo but Diplo helps s lot

And nukes cost 10?

[buoyant anchor]

i did not yet think about the cost

[buoyant anchor]

oki

@frosty nebula i will called the effect “Ionized”

I think

[tender pecan]

Do a gray shade over the unit like poison but gray

[buoyant anchor]

uhh, i will make orange one

like it is glowing from radiation

[tender pecan]

Ah

That works

Should make it slowly take away health and defense over time and it takes 2 turns to heal

Or just nerfs all stats over time

[buoyant anchor]

i think it may be too strong. 1 turn to heal i think

like with poison

but exhaust the action

[frosty nebula]

I need to go to work. I will have time to make the sprite for the tower in a few hours

[buoyant anchor]

okay

[tender pecan]

Yeah, so what I had in mind is: heal the effect off, but the stats are still nerfed (like poison kinda) then the next heal they regain all stats to full except hp

[buoyant anchor]

i will put guard tower sprite as placeholder

[buoyant anchor]

uhhhh okay

[buoyant anchor]

what do you think bout helicopter? i think we have to nerf it. based of what i’ve played, it is very spamable and pretty strong

[tender pecan]

Can you figure out like where it's strong?

Cause if anything it should be a worse knight on land

On the water I could see it being an issue

[buoyant anchor]

water

[tender pecan]

Oh I thought of something maybe- give units 2 different damages when attacking different this

*units

So when the helicopter is attacking water it has half attack

On land it's full

[buoyant anchor]

uhhh... i can add it, but discuss it with others

[tender pecan]

👍 @flint blaze thoughts ?

[buoyant anchor]

wow

found actually very weird bug

which is connected to game crashing with greenhouses

i need to test one thing

[flint blaze]

That’s terrible, it’s nerfing a unit which doesn’t need a nerf

[tender pecan]

@flint blaze ?

It really shouldn't be able to chain scouts

[tender pecan]

Or at just full health ones

Least*

There's a reason navalons were removed

[flint blaze]

Oh hmm

Maybe then drop its damage value by 1 in the water?

[tender pecan]

I'd make their damage 2 ngl

What does 2.5 in game

Already

I need a unit to base off of

[buoyant anchor]

trid

[tender pecan]

Bleh I'm not familiar with new trid

I haven't really played new aqua

Lemme go test it

[dreamy willow]

That's enough to kill a catapult

[buoyant anchor]

but not raft though

[dreamy willow]

Let's be honest. We need a 3 atk tridention

[buoyant anchor]

no we ofc do not

[dreamy willow]

why

[buoyant anchor]

2.5 atk trids are indeed balanced

based of my expirience

[buoyant anchor]

im doing nukes now

next is medic

[frosty nebula]

I am having a hard time with the building for the nuke. Most nuclear silos are holes in the ground

[tender pecan]

You can start with just a hole then can do layers of just a normal silo

[frosty nebula]

something like this ?

or the hole in the ground?

[buoyant anchor]

and i had very hard time changing unit color based on unit effect💀

[frosty nebula]

Which style is better, the missile with the nuclear symbol or the manhole cover with the symbol?

[buoyant anchor]

i think the hole will be better

[fallen kelp]

I agree

[frosty nebula]

thanks. The hole is easier to create

I put it in the google drive

[minor summit]

did you choose the music?

[buoyant anchor]

no

[minor summit]

something like C&C music can be fun

[buoyant anchor]

Idk. I need working colors for effect first

And to finish nuke with medic

and only then we discuss music

honestly idc even if it wont have it for now

@frosty nebula do u have ideas for music? Is it ok if we wont have it on release

And then adjust it in new updates?

[frosty nebula]

I will search for music. I will also search for sound effects for the guns
I want to get copyright free sounds

[buoyant anchor]

makes sense

[exotic stratus]

why not use the ones from Counter Strike, found in media everywhere

(has minimal knowledge on CS)

[frosty nebula]

I put machine gun and pistol sound effect in this google folder https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Bx1pdeMR185PLh52z09sx3QJ0ks6qVWe?usp=drive_link

I have two candidates for music. It is hard to find things that are copyright free. Would need to include attribution and give appropriate credit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kWZhZiJTXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So1M986A8TM

I dont really like either of them

[buoyant anchor]

same. can we just… not add music for now?

[frosty nebula]

Of course. We can not add music

I will keep looking, but it's not a priority

[buoyant anchor]

@frosty nebula is this desc good?

[frosty nebula]

The description ooks great

But why is the rider on a horse?

Why is the giant the old type of giant and not the jet?

[buoyant anchor]

will be fixed

i did not yet touch tribe preview

but i will

[frosty nebula]

cool

[frosty nebula]

Music theme by @fast mountain

[buoyant anchor]

i just realized, do they need their own animals? because like, before turning in oil, their animal looks like xinxi one

i think its boring

[exotic stratus]

Oh goodness...

1.6k messages already...

[buoyant anchor]

but idk

for now let it be xinxi one

[frosty nebula]

yeah, that's fine for it to be the xin-xi animal

[safe wasp]

Yo this is sick

You have cooked with this one

[fallen kelp]

That's so gooodddd

[minor summit]

nonsense in terms of musical composition imho, just use some march of real compositor

with filter applied if you want

example of old but legendary march (copyright free ofc)

[dreamy willow]

That one is too commie-militaristic

[buoyant anchor]

i cant load this shit for some reason

[dreamy willow]

Which one? 😎

[buoyant anchor]

?

Nuke is almost done

[buoyant anchor]

i will make their attack 2 times less

to all units with ionized effect

[buoyant anchor]

if y’all are not against it

[buoyant anchor]

basically all i did for ionized is just that

[merry pecan]

How can i set a tribe preview?

[buoyant anchor]

if y'all have any other ideas, please tell

[buoyant anchor]

It is only for tribes

I will teach you

(so u cant setup skin specific tribe preview)

[frosty nebula]

I much prefer to use a fan-made piece of music. Also the theme that Atomic made sounds good

[flint blaze]

Huh?

Isn’t there just an oil drop on the forests

[buoyant anchor]

nope

it converts into oil when u capture a city

[flint blaze]

Oh cool

[buoyant anchor]

like midnight’s terrain kinda

[flint blaze]

What if we do one of the black animals which makes it look like it’s drenched in oil

[buoyant anchor]

um

what?

[flint blaze]

So Oum’s skin, Hoodrick’s or Yad’s skin

[buoyant anchor]

i mean

idk

sounds weird

why would it be drenched in oil

[flint blaze]

Because there’s oil where the forest is

[buoyant anchor]

yeah but the action to harvest oil is called “drill”

it is not on the ground

[flint blaze]

Hm

It’s a small touch

@frosty nebula what do you think?

[frosty nebula]

There's no time
I need to finish the draft of the video today

[buoyant anchor]

last build

will be in 2-3 hours

[frosty nebula]

Johnklipi, I need something showing the nuke

[buoyant anchor]

with tribe preview

[buoyant anchor]

im in train

[frosty nebula]

Then i will share the draft of the video

[buoyant anchor]

but will be home in half an hour

i need to only do

icons

music

and tribe preview

[frosty nebula]

thanks

[buoyant anchor]

(and medic but well)

[flint blaze]

All I suggested is to have something like the Oumaji black cat/yad ram as the standing animal in unoccupied territory, no big change

Just adds a pinch of detail imo

[buoyant anchor]

i will push polymod update with certain fix which will make unit icons work. it will require you updating polymod

[frosty nebula]

okay, ping me when you have it ready

[buoyant anchor]

sorry, icons wont work for now. it will be a part of a next update bcuz apparentelly it is a little more complicated than i thought

Im finishing up stuff for militas rn

Will try to make nuke animation working but idk if it will

@frosty nebula is it ok?

how do i call nuclear laucnher thing?

maybe nuclear shaft?

called it just Nuke Launcher

i lied x2

i will push an update rn

[buoyant anchor]

it took a lot more time than i thought

but im on a finish line

nuke does not yet have levels though

i need yet to do it

@frosty nebula how much turn nuke need to upgrade a level?

for each level i add one atk

and one def

fixing up bugged effects localization rn

[frosty nebula]

Looks good to me

[frosty nebula]

Can you make the levels like a temple?

Increase every two turns

[buoyant anchor]

okay. how much more time do i have?

[frosty nebula]

Can you just send me whatever you with a nuke. That is the last piece I need for the video
The other stuff, like the music and medic, I don't have in there

I want to finish the draft of the video in a few hours so I can send it to you to review. I need time to make changes if there are mistakes

[buoyant anchor]

Ok. Then 15 mins

[buoyant anchor]

i fixed localization

im doing rn asap levels on nuke

and then im finished

[buoyant anchor]

trying to make nuke upgrading work

rn exploit gonna test and if it does not work i will send in this tsate

@frosty nebula install last version of polymod

go to our github

download last release

go to polytopia folder

Bepinex

plugins

remove old polymod.dll

put new one

[frosty nebula]

okay

[minor summit]

@buoyant anchor u died or wha

check tg

[dreamy willow]

He must be touching the grass

[dreamy willow]

I was by the way going to ask him if that is a mine.
||sorry, I didn't read all the thread||

[buoyant anchor]

@frosty nebula

[minor summit]

wait imagine mines

[buoyant anchor]

it is nuclear mine

[dreamy willow]

got it

[minor summit]

he meant launcher ig

[buoyant anchor]

@frosty nebula quick fix, sorry

there was small visual bug

very minor

[dreamy willow]

Rather looks like a launcher

[buoyant anchor]

yeah, it is nuclear launcher, but it is like a shaft

it is a launcher

[dreamy willow]

...

[buoyant anchor]

i think i misunderstood

yeah sorry im very sleepy

[buoyant anchor]

also no music. u can put it on video

i will add it later

[frosty nebula]

Looks okay so far

[dreamy willow]

Awesome so far

There're probably no drones though...

[buoyant anchor]

nope

[frosty nebula]

To fix/update

Artillery sound (should be machine gun sound effect)
Soldier sound (should be pistol gun sound effect)
Text says "swordsman from ruin" when I get a tank. The tank is correct, but the text says "swordsman." I don't know if that is something you can fix
Icons

Correct - The nuke launchers grow the right way. They gain range with each level. They do damage your own troops

When solider has nuclear damage, it has this "actionboxunit.1005" text. Also the radiation damange doesn't show in the stat block

[buoyant anchor]

action box unit

if fixed

it is a polymod thing

[frosty nebula]

okay

[buoyant anchor]

i will push a fix for polymod

and you can download good version

[frosty nebula]

Can you call it radiation?

[buoyant anchor]

is it important for the video?

i can do it after

its just already late for me

i want to fix critical stuff and go to sleep

but yes i will

[frosty nebula]

nah, its not important for the video

I can use this

Sleep

[fast mountain]

If needed, i can revise the tune and add more elements

[frosty nebula]

Nah. its good

[fallen kelp]

It's perfect

[buoyant anchor]

the more i look on screenshot the weirder it gets. why does quetzali skin have imp fruit and forest

[frosty nebula]

I don't know. That's the Aplatze skin

[buoyant anchor]

i see

very weird

on video though everything is correct

idk why could’ve broken on screenshot

[minor summit]

city capture old bug?

💀

[buoyant anchor]

i dont think so, it affected only fruits

and why imperius forest lol

there is no imperius around even

[rough trout]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Suite_in_E-flat_for_Military_Band#Movement_3:_"March"

[buoyant anchor]

Todo: Add sound artillerist, missile launcher and soldier. Fix swordsman ruin text. Fix radiation attack modifier not showing.

(all of others issues are fixed by updating polymod to 1.1.3)

Also, just realized, nuclear fallout doesnt “attack units”, it only ionizes them

so they get the debuff

but they dont lose hp

also, i need @flint blaze @tender pecan to test the mod before eventual release in order to check balance

i need yet to do medic

also do we add helicopter lowered damage on water thing?

[flint blaze]

I don’t have a computer with me nor do I own Polytopia on steam

[flint blaze]

Yeah I agree

Drop damage to 2.5

[buoyant anchor]

Ah, okay

Then at least mystic

[flint blaze]

I can test it with you in VC soon

[buoyant anchor]

I am at work

[flint blaze]

Ah

[buoyant anchor]

I will be home in two hours

we can do vc then around that time

[flint blaze]

That works too

[buoyant anchor]

though my sound will be bad

[flint blaze]

Mic or game sound?

[buoyant anchor]

mic

my airpods have broken mic so i use laptop one

it is not very good either

[flint blaze]

Yikes

[flint blaze]

That’s fine

[buoyant anchor]

Okay

[flint blaze]

What if you give it tentacles?

[buoyant anchor]

?

wdym

[flint blaze]

Tentacles ability so it damages units

[buoyant anchor]

like every ionized unit has tentacles?

[flint blaze]

No

[buoyant anchor]

nuke launcher cant move

and i dont think we need it

it needs testing

[flint blaze]

Oh it would apply to that?

[buoyant anchor]

Wdym?

I dont really understand what you are saying

we can do vc in one hour

[flint blaze]

Sure
I was saying add tentacles to the tile where the Nuke lands

[buoyant anchor]

Tentacles can be applied only to units. I can do it, but i would likely just not

(i can add tentacle tile effect on tiles but i dont think it is a good idea)

[flint blaze]

Ok, we don’t have to

[buoyant anchor]

im sorry, i wont be able to vc....

[flint blaze]

RIP

[buoyant anchor]

i need to quickly finish homework stuff. sorry for that

[flint blaze]

I can do tomorrow night at 8pm

[buoyant anchor]

so 7 pm for me. ok

[flint blaze]

Wait I’m in UTC +3 right now

[buoyant anchor]

so 6 pm for me

ok

[frosty nebula]

Is the medic in yet?

[buoyant anchor]

no

but it is fast to make it

i would like to try to maybe add nuke animation

[buoyant anchor]

@minor summit i forgot again how to name music and i cant find ur message

[minor summit]

music_style.wav

and

[buoyant anchor]

ok

[minor summit]

nature_style.wav

[buoyant anchor]

what is nature exactly

[minor summit]

ambient while you plaing

and music is tribw preview and tech tree

[buoyant anchor]

but what about ANOTHER ambient

AudioManager_SetAmbienceClimatePrefix

[minor summit]

?

[buoyant anchor]

it automatically sets to imperius

literally

[minor summit]

idk tf is this

just ignore this

[buoyant anchor]

well i have a task for u

find out?

[minor summit]

create issue

[buoyant anchor]

nah

fix mapping

first

for 1.2.0

[minor summit]

i thought mapping is 1.1.4

[buoyant anchor]

why? that is not critical

everything works correctly

[minor summit]

imagine using skipstyle

fr

[buoyant anchor]

yeah, true, doesnt matter

it works

we can add fix directly into 1.2.0

and that is not a priority

prefabs when

[minor summit]

have you seen dev1.2 branch?

[buoyant anchor]

i saw the branch but idk what u added

[minor summit]

btw namespaces first

[buoyant anchor]

ok ig

[minor summit]

nothing for now

[minor summit]

it must be fixed

cuz ig custom nature music is not working

its just playing imperius one

[buoyant anchor]

yeah exactly

thats what im saying

[flint blaze]

@buoyant anchor does 8:30 work?

[buoyant anchor]

crap.

i forgot completely

im so sorry

im at my aunts rn

[flint blaze]

Ah ok

How long will you be there for?

[buoyant anchor]

for a while

it will be already late for u

and im not sure i’ll be able to vc cuz my mom at home😭

[flint blaze]

Damn

[frosty nebula]

Can you post the latest version of the mod here for people to download and pin it @buoyant anchor ?

[buoyant anchor]

I will in an hour

[buoyant anchor]

okay 10 mins

https://github.com/johnklipi/Militas/releases/latest Download link

[flint blaze]

@buoyant anchor I’m available tonight again at the same times

So 8:30-11:00 my time

Pm

[topaz minnow]

Is it possible to play against friends with that?

[buoyant anchor]

no multiplayer yet. u can play pass and play on one computer though

[silk walrus]

found a bug, idk whether it already has been mentioned or not. I have just taken the city of polaris but the background textures of the fruit didn't change

[buoyant anchor]

polymod bug

i’ll need to discuss it with @minor summit

[minor summit]

Thanks for letting us know! This is definitely a PolyMod bug. If you want, you can open an issue here: https://github.com/PolyModdingTeam/PolyMod/issues

[hollow forge]

Loving this mod so much. I like that there's 2 pop for a port and 2 stars for chopping. I also love all the sprites! This might be my new favorite tribe.

[buoyant anchor]

Uhhh what?

2 pop for port and 2 stars for chopping are from #1342059937437712405 mod haha

yeah, sprites are cool, they were made by espark

[hollow forge]

Oh oops haha.

Still a great tribe. The nuke launcher was slightly confusing. I didn't know I had to plant it in a city before using it.

[silk bloom]

Hey there, this tribe is broken. But the nuke launcher after level 2 and beyond is appearing with a raft sprite to me, i think thats a bug?just warning

[buoyant anchor]

its a visual bug

[silk bloom]

Just out of curiosity, could you show me what the nuke launcher was supposed to look like on level 2-4?

[buoyant anchor]

same as level 1 visually

[dreamy willow]

People told that before you 🥲

[buoyant anchor]

what other bugs did u notice aside diplomacy, bugged nuke sprites and bugged radiation effect?

[dreamy willow]

hm...

I did notice something

lemme recall that...

[buoyant anchor]

i want to fix bugs

and then i will do some balance adjustements

i will surely nerf nukes a bit

also helicopter will be nerfed on water (it will get special ability which makes your attack 1 attack point less when on water, so instead of 3.5 it will have 2.5 atk on water)

[dreamy willow]

Can't recall. Meh, nukes are supposed to be OP.
You could just increase the price. 10 stars are cheap. Bots spam them 'cause they can afford them.
20 stars will be fine. Just like temples, but useful.

And btw, you can make mausoleums instead of temples

[buoyant anchor]

they spam them because there is a bug

not because they are cheap

they should NOT be able to place more than one nuke per city

(player also shouldn’t be able to)

[dreamy willow]

Anyway, nukes do appear to be weak now

[buoyant anchor]

maybe

idk

i fixed the bug on local

[dreamy willow]

20 stars

[buoyant anchor]

now i think they should be ok

if not i’ll nerf their power

[buoyant anchor]

eh. i would much rather make them cost less but deal less attack in the same time

than make them expensive and very strong

[dreamy willow]

We also should do something with shoot sounds. Катер (didn't check English name) is an "archer" for some reason, but I think the troops inside shoot with guns, too

[buoyant anchor]

cutter

it is cutter in english

[dreamy willow]

thx

[buoyant anchor]

yeah i think i just forgot weapon type

ok will change

[dreamy willow]

Thx, I'll test Militas soon again. If I find something, I'll let you know

[hollow forge]

When rockets attack after nukes, there is a visual bug where the radiation damage goes away.

[dreamy willow]

dev knows that

[silver talon]

is ironize permenant?

[buoyant anchor]

yes but it is a bug. it should remove itself after healing/recovering

[silver talon]

Also another bug is you can't use diplomacy

[buoyant anchor]

yep, it was reported

you can though

[silver talon]

and thanks to ionize being permannt, I should say good bye a to a fighter jet! F**K.

[buoyant anchor]

it just visually u cant

u can click on build embassy

and if u have diplomacy

it will work

just it will show popup after that you cant do it

(it still will do it)

[silver talon]

Anyways 11/10 mod, it's great!

[plain vector]

this is so cool 😮

[silver talon]

hey about the nuke launcher once the pass level 1, you can move them by placing another nuke spawner under theme.

[buoyant anchor]

a bug, i already fixed it on my local

but did not yet push a fix

i want to fix more bug until new update

[silver talon]

amazing mod btw, it's really FUN : D

Here is something funni that happened, while versuing luxidoor, i said i should fire a warning shot, I was about to use a nuke launcher : D

[silver talon]

wait actually please make it so you can still move nukes I really love it : D

[buoyant anchor]

sorry, nope 🙂

[silver talon]

i am going to admit, i said aloud time to "commit a nuclear genoci**!", loud enough and cheerfully for my neighbours to hear.

HUH?

[buoyant anchor]

visual bug, i already fixed it, will be in next release 🙂

[silver talon]

Hey, i discovered a bug maybe?

Are the nuke launcher meant to have independent?

[buoyant anchor]

nope. does it happen after it upgrades?

if yes i know

[silver talon]

yea

[buoyant anchor]

but ig im gonna make it independent eventually

[silver talon]

second, i need your advice.

[buoyant anchor]

cuz u dont train it on city

[silver talon]

Hey so i need your advice on this, How {**} Is Xin-Xi?

everything except the boats are nukes.

for the units though.

[buoyant anchor]

very. that’s why i dont want to add more than one nuke per city 🙂

[silver talon]

that's the issue, the push bug gives your the work around, plus it can aid you in transporting the nukes.

plus the nukes, they are only for "sElFdEfEnCe".

[silver talon]

Also, final thing before i stop pinging you, (Hopefully) You are A legend for making this MOD. Now I can send videos of this to my friends and say to them this is "Normal" Poly > : )

[buoyant anchor]

thanks, i was not the only one doing that all 🙂

[honest dawn]

is this mod complete yet?

[buoyant anchor]

it is in alpha for now. u can download alpha in pinned message

[honest dawn]

can you forward me to that?

[buoyant anchor]

wdym, its in pinned here?

[honest dawn]

i dont think i see that

[buoyant anchor]

ur on mobile?

[honest dawn]

PC

[buoyant anchor]

uh

i don remember

anyway one sec

[buoyant anchor]

#1350593785398296636 message

[honest dawn]

thanks

when is it going to release a official one

[buoyant anchor]

like full release or wdym?

[honest dawn]

full release