thread a worse, forum a bad
thanks for coming to my Ted talk
#forums bad
tawdry jacinth
whole sand
thanks for your feedback. feel free to redirect any other feedback to /dev/null
thanks
tawdry jacinth
crude linden
charred orbit
./aw &>/dev/nul && sudo rm -rf /home/aw
normal mist
People fear change, but let's see how it plays out
It could be that overall it has a negative impact on the community and our ability to provide help. If that's the case we'll review, but we'll have to give it a trial by fire first
ruby flint
It's perfectly suited for a help channel
The archive and search features are excellent
It's also mich simpler to manage notifications
Just get notified when your question has an updatr
tawdry jacinth
I do like the notifications better than threads, but I still doubt the discoverability
craggy escarp
Forums make a lot of sense for this server.
tawdry jacinth
there's a reason we're on a real time chat platform instead of a forum
vagrant falcon
But that does not mean we cannot combine the two
The forums help organize the topics and questions
tawdry jacinth
and forums as they used to be had much better discoverability than threads or whatever this concoction is
vagrant falcon
And before they were all in a single place
tawdry jacinth
being all in a single place puts them in front of the most eyeballs
whole sand
there's a reason we're on a real time chat platform instead of a forum
yes, we have real time chat forums
throw away the bad shit and keep the good shit of both methods of communication
tawdry jacinth
I don't see how the topics/threads are "good shit" without the ability to search them and tools to discover them
when they're underused sure, there's only a couple
whole sand
that implies that the ability to search was better before threads existed?
the ability to search for information is slightly better, or the same in the worst case scenario
tawdry jacinth
no, it doesn't. it wasn't necessary
whole sand
it's not necessary now either
normal mist
Ultimately, like I said we'll monitor whether there's a net positive or negative impact
tawdry jacinth
everything was literally there. If a topic wasn't discussed in front of your eyes, you could've looked in the history or brought it up
now there's a third way of a thread being somewhere in the background and you being unable to find it
normal mist
It's still a new feature, who knows exactly how it'll pan out
tawdry jacinth
that's fair, by all means keep experimenting
whole sand
searching seems to work just fine
turbid girder
if it ends up being worse all we have to do is not use it so, rollback cost is low
tawdry jacinth
I'm just being sceptical and "forums bad" makes for a better thread topic than a balanced take
tawdry jacinth
searching seems to work just fine
this lacks the context of whether the discussion is still alive or not
with threads you have to look into it
whole sand
i mean its kind of the same for the old thing, except the conversation maybe was burried 100 messages ago or it wasnt
whole sand
you can post to archived posts and unarchive them, and keep the entire context of the convo still..?
tawdry jacinth
idk, I really like the simplicity of a limited amount of channels
whole sand
ok, feel free to continue using #go-chat then
tawdry jacinth
but the new shiny feature
turbid girder
proposal to rename #go-chat to #go 
tawdry jacinth
now that's a forum thread I can get behind
idle rover
smoky wing
IMO forums are much better suited to a channel like #community-showcase-archived than a discussion channel like #1019689910699032696
Sure they organize topics but it makes it harder to jump in mid conversation if you have a helpful input because you need to browse topics and find one to read first
normal mist
I see that as a positive. A reasonable title would give you an idea of what it's about, and the whole discussion is laid out without interference from other questions
spare falcon
Or random interjections with ‘solutions’ by people who don’t have all the context
tawdry jacinth
I think it's a mixed bag really, you get less bad answers but I would assume also less helpful ones. Using a thread puts your question in front of fewer eyeballs, for better or worse
spare falcon
Forum discoverability is much better than threads, thankfully
tawdry jacinth
it's still not as good as a single help chat. However as long as all the herders are looking at the forums I'm willing to believe the quality of answers won't drop significantly, quantity may suffer though
plain finch
question since this become the meta forums chat
how do we "suspend" solved threads?
it's going to hurt open questions if there's solved but not closed threads mixed in
spare falcon
Threads are automatically sorted by activity. Personally lurk in most of them and I assume others do as well. Lot easier to spot open problems. We are thinking about how to mark a post as resolved. This could be done using tags for example
plain finch
what about closing posts?
closed post are automatically "demoted" below all open posts
some random ideas that could potentially make this more usable
OP can do /solved to mark it as solved and closes it
every so often bot will "reclose" threads with solved tag
(if reopened because op wanted to discuss more stuff after marking it as solved)
(locking is also an option but imo not so much fan of these)
i think(cannot confirm as of now) that threads in forum do not get auto archived, unlike threads in text channel
never mind retract that, so "after some time without activity" it still will get automatically archived
actually no, i am unsure what this even does now i checked my server....
