lore-discussion

[stiff magnet]

In the current event ( actual spoilers for last part if you weren't impatient and did not check wiki )

The phrases Meredith reads:

“By the wish of the presumptuous.” - Hubris / PUS
“By the wish of the devoted.” - Faith / Scissors
“By the wish of the desiring.” - Passion / Urbino

They are not a prayer but a "compiler sequence". Each “wish” corresponds to one condition of human consciousness that lets the manifold rewrite itself.

Lilith says:

“Remember, it was you humans who summoned me.”

That’s literal;y humanity’s interaction with the manifold - A personification of the manifold’s self-awareness of desire.

I kinda love how Lilith speaks to the 3 leaders xD

Cursed Priestess - Flavia
PUS trying to master the manifold through reverence and control, to contain the divine within bureaucratic law. But strinova is alive; it resists containment.

Self-bound Strategist - Meredith seeks to solve the manifold, to treat the divine equation as a problem to decode.
She is the strategist who sees every path, the Laplacian archetype who believes calculation can free humanity. Her knowledge become her boounds.
She can see the loop but cannot break it.

Im - I believe this word is blocked - ent Hero - Baimo in Lilith’s lens, is “ contains blocked word” because his heroism operates within a decaying system he cannot alter.

ok, i'm derailing xD

Chip skin - Origin
"As humanity came into contact with superstrings, a new era began."

So the Strinova’s “demons” are basicaly subsystems of the Calabiyau manifold, each tied to a philosophical or physical paradox.
They are fragments of humanity’s attempt to touch the core, believing it's capable of manifesting thought as matter. That would be Opal's main goal.

AND NOW I NEED ABEL AND NEW BETHLEYEM AND HUMAN DIVINIZATION VIA CHAOS IN THE GAME
RETURN US THE FOURTH FACTION. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I WANT CHAOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND REMOVAL OF BLOCKED WORDS

If i'll get banned for this, i'm sacrificing the cat to strinova gods

[sleek remnant]

Banned for being too analytical in IDreamSky's waifu shooter (they wanted to offload all of their worldbuilding to AI)

[stiff magnet]

[glass wing]

We need theTransfiguration Beam in Strinova. As a Skill

[graceful crown]

i see demons, math, computing, and data and all i can think of are maxwell's demons

[stiff magnet]

yes

they're there too

we're all in simulation.
wake up

[graceful crown]

maxwell's demon: the worst thing bout it is not the fuckery it caused ( we solved it anyway) but (solving the paradox led us to) seeing shannon be involved in thermodynamics and von neumann being involved with quantum physics. computer science indeed is the cursed descendant of physics, math, and linguistics (thanks automata theory).

if anyone asks what's with maxwell's demon, it's the reason why your pc gets hot.

fucking with information requires energy spent somewhere unless you sure as shit can unfuck it back completely.

[wraith parrot]

So this is what my theories reads like

I am not inebriated nor read up on all this

[stiff magnet]

yes xD

[wraith parrot]

Tbh, can't understand not think clearly since 3am and haven't slept yet
But the revised theory for superstring evolution and stages I did a while back actually
Where the superstrings manipulate the variables of an infinite "universe" (by all dimensions, versions, by time and by space)

I didn't expand on it back then because it's a revisional theory
But there is a rebound to the manipulation of the spaces in hilbert spaces mentioned in that theory.

Newton's 3rd law of motion. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

And these shepherd class crystalline are that rebound.

Oh, right, I should explain the rebound.
In the Superstring branch of Hilbert spaces, Due to the fact that superstring theory comprises of strings that allow perfect rationalization of individual variables, The math in hilbert spaces rebound by redoing the equation every time something gets changed to make sure that the end result doesn't change.

But what if, The rebound for the direct manipulation of this math is these evolved crystallines.
The unending equations that is trying to fix a universe mixed with the ever changing frequencies and variable, that is superstrings.

One of my old theories did point that the Crystallines might be a form of "immune system" for the universe that Strinova is in.

And the target is the refugee humans, whose mathematical existence does not mesh well with the math that comes with the Universe that Strinova is in.

[stiff magnet]

Sooooo we have Maxwell’s Demon - aka Control over entropy and flow of information.
Literal in-game quote: “I decide who gets to pass.” Suggests a gatekeeper role in the String Flow.

Information = Energy
The Collapse syndrome and Erosion Flow could represent physical collapse from informational overload aka humanity spent too much energy manipulating data/reality.

Therefore remaining humanity’s wish to “rewrite” or in better wording 'simulate" the universe (String Energy) causes instability.
The world literally overheats and collapses from informational stress.

Solution created the problem.

come to think of it, lemme switch it.

Maxwell’s Demon - the paradox of thermodynamics and information. Humanity's attempt to regulate the manifold: classify, filter, and stabilize chaos
so PUS

Laplace’s Demon - a being that, knowing all positions and velocities, can predict the entire future. Humanity tries to foresee and alter destiny through total understanding of data.
so Scissors

Lilith - a being of free will and untamed emotion.
Humanity attempted to recreate life and consciousness through the manifold. (hi maddy)
so Urbino

Maxwell is the body (matter/information).

Laplace is the mind (awareness/causality).

Lilith is the soul (emotion/desire).

we have our unholy trinity xDDDDDDDDD

[forest beacon]

Pls no

I want be alive

[glass wing]

Did someone say cat meat?

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-cat-cut-cat-cake-fake-cakes-cat-eating-gif-9002985723796371898

[wise palm]

I have a new entry for gifs I wish I never saw.

[glass wing]

Wow

[wise palm]

Sorry it unsettles me deeply enough that typing this with it in the background is stressing me out

[glass wing]

Typing with what?

?

The Cake?

?

[graceful crown]

I dunno why but if I took masters, equating Laplace's demon as Maxwell's would be a fire thesis topic.

Thanks to the landauer principle, it may be possible

I remember someone explaining it "as the cost of forgetting". Thats a good way of putting it. The thing that makes your PC hot is actual the memory wiping operations most likely or any other calculations you cannot reverse

[stiff magnet]

That's how collapse syndrome came to be

[graceful crown]

I wouldn't want to equate the information escaping from the system through the demon to collapse syndrome

[stiff magnet]

It's more "people trying to play gods", and erasure of memories causing overload

Look what happened to Meredith

[graceful crown]

Basically Laplace's demon (more Laplace's omnipotent being because it's more that) basically states that a system is reversible if you can know everything. Maxwell's demon is basically, (thanks to the statistical nature of thermodynamics) it is possible for a system to have a state of high entropy and a demon probably did it by sorting the particles. Now comes landauer to exorcise those two by stating that the demon knows everything and can sort it (effectively making Maxwell's demon also a Laplace demon) but the information in the demon will increase in entropy but to complete the sorting, the demon must fuck with the information and if that information itself is unfuckable, fucking with it must transfer it's entropy.

Basically, any system with states being in a random distribution will "pass the entropy" to somewhere else. I'd say that Maxwell's demon is the reason why compressing data is kinda hard.

Thanks shannon

Also thanks to you von neumann somehow moved the entropy down to the quantum level and used entanglement as means for said entropy

and because of said entropy, you exist as you are

[graceful crown]

starting to see it now.

somewhere has to absorb that operation.

probably their string sequence.

the problem i have now is how do we reconcile it with at least shannon's entropy

will their memories be equivalent to them observing the information of a system?

their minds who encode the experience and encode into memory become unstable because they require more information to hold all the states and for such remembering operations be reversible

the moment they hit reality is when they reach a "stack overflow" where they reach something nonsensical or, if memory can be infinite, a state of memory equivalent to the heat death of the universe for all your experiences must now blend together.

to "reincarnate" (or whatever happened to mere) is going to require the entropy to put everything in a certain state like a tape where everything is 0

the read head must read, the tape mover must move, the write head must tamper, the turing machine will compute

who will incur the chaos they must order? is it their string sequence?

now that i think of it, is it like ascending when all your experiences reach such a point? is that what finding the meaning in life? finding the lowest entropy state possible from your experiences

[stiff magnet]

So if every human thought alters this entropy and
the act of remembrance "burns" reality’s fuel...
When the mind reaches limit, it cannot forget, and simply cannot live.

The manifold absorbs what we cannot.
It absorbs "crystalized" desire, the collective disorder.
It's Lilith xD

[graceful crown]

but rememberance is a reversible operation innit?

reversible operations incur no entropy for it is a sealed system

is it because remembering is not just hard but impossible to be truly reversible that it causes such "leak of entropy" like how we need extra bits to error correct

[stiff magnet]

in theory, yes but the observer can’t stay perfectly isolated. You'll have leaks that turn reversible into irreversible

bwaaa, I need to go to work.
will be back oin 30 min

[graceful crown]

so the imperfect humans who invade, with their imperfect remembering, lower the entropy of the world, because they need "an extra ecc bit"

[mild venture]

Okay, this is definitely going into my notes for the episodic strinova fic I'm writing as potential for arcs later on.

Spoilers because it's just fanfic stuff I don't want to force anyone to read: ||It starts actually 5 years after the game's beginning where CS was mitigated during the time and it's why The Scissors are losing the war but there's indications that it may well rear its ugly head again||

[stiff magnet]

I love the "imperfect remembering"
Because that's what it is. Everything in strinova is created with how people who migrated there remember and understand it.
Strinova IS reconstructed projection of collective cognition.

Strinova is basically a it’s a lossy compression of earth reconstructed from imperfect data.

To misremember is to corrupt ♥

Therefore, this "imperfect remembering" literally lowers the entropy of Strinova, because the world must over-correct their cognitive blabbling xD

need more coffee

[graceful crown]

man. is high entropy heat death or is low entropy order

entropy is a painful subject for anyone

[graceful crown]

wouldn't call it lossy compression rather a "transmitted copy" of earth

through the noisy channel of humanity

strinova recieving and decoding the instructions would be more disordered from the information being processed

[stiff magnet]

Hmm but disorder rises from the channel noise and costs of processing, right? Not from decoding itself.

In clearer words, It's processing that causes disorder. The data transmission itself is imperfect.
So our "demons" represent attempts to fix or oundo the "noise"

To make it easier to understand for others xDDDD

Humans transmited Earth’s data through the corridor (Maxwell’s Demon), and because all that data is partial - meaning that all truths are encoded. Aka even humans that went through the corridor are not 1:1 human. Only the reflection of them. They're literally consciousness sequences - fragments of information that define a person’s existence inside the manifold. Game has hints all over the old trailers and many chip skins.

lemme quote Flavia's novel:
" Later, humans on Earth began to migrate to Strinova, and the two sisters also arrived in this new space through the Human Corridor. However, during observation at the Long Gallery Drawing Institute, Flavia discovered a hard-to-accept fact - Sylphina was not only physically weak, but her “Consciousness Sequence” was also incomplete. This String Sequence fragility meant one doomed destiny - if she was seriously injured, she would be unable to be reconstructed and only face death. "

Flavia’s devotion to mastering the strings, her very wish for preserving her sister, the people, theEarth itself is founded on denial of that fundamental imperfection. This is why Lilith mocks her in recent event.

The Manifold (Strinova) tries to reconstruct the full pattern. But doing so overloads the structure; memory density grows until the system reaches collapse. Erosion flow aka reverse strings happen. So it needs an overseer, an algorithm that records all possible outcomes. - and that's Laplace (in game chip: Laplace's Demon has description : Time witnesses every choice)

So, as the manifold can never be a clean mirror to earth - Lilith is born from this very failure.
She's the entropy, the chaos that accumulated from all imperfect attempts to create perfect world.

tl:dr
we can have more lore entities after Lilith.
Laplace and Maxwell in some form. And that would be cool.

[graceful crown]

decoding is the process ergo the decoding is the reason for increased entropy

to decode a noisy signal (basically collapse it to a defined state), the number of possible states the decoder must know is higher than the signal itself. the process of decoding is thus in more possible chaos (forgot if that is more or less entropy) because it needs more info than the signal.

[graceful crown]

rereading it, it seems lilith is "the agent of entropy". let me look for quantum entropy but basically: if a system with entropy creates something that is more ordered, sure as shit, it did that because it disorders somewhere else even better.

i.e. life itself. it requires a lot to make life and life requires more to sustain. those facts increase entropy. to maintain homeostasis, it must expend energy to get energy.

philosophically, you can think of our quest for knowledge being rather entropic.

funny idea, if we can prove reconstruction is an irreversible process, reconstruction may be linked to collapse syndrome if collapse syndrome is indeed a manifestation of the entropy beget by processing a human back into existence

did some researching on the demons. no the demon's are not equivalent, rather, if you want maxwell's demon to be unstopable in a classical sense, laplace's demon must be in its head

this leads me to a realization of sorts: a citizen of strinova is a maxwell's demon

this simplifies the rambling i had a while ago.

or rather not really a maxwell's demon in a thermodynamic sense

are they shannon's demon?

well not really because shannon did not deal with such things

dunno what to call it actually but a person living in strin but there are two possible ways that collapse syndrome is a manifestation of them being "maxwell's demon"

yes i am retreading old ground and the reason why is to make it coherent

the easiest to understand is the "stack overflow" interpretation. if memory is finite, when the information needed to maintain who they are is exceeded, we reach undefined territory and weird shit happens. this is similar to how PUS sees it

the next is going to have landauer involved. i think i'll call it either as the "memory mush" or "landauer is why we can't have nice things"

one thing is for sure, the landauer involved one requires (not really) infinite memory

but formulating it is hard (assuming infinite memory makes it easier)

so first think of the first interpretation. now imagine that memory is infinite

no more stack overflow

no weird shit but how is being a maxwell's demon suppossed to explain collapse syndrome?

[stiff magnet]

Wouldn't that make Navigator the Shannon's demon?
Navigator's function is to fight the collapse syndrome through observation, taking decisions, and memory management of Superstrings.
Literally trying to reverse informational entropy

[graceful crown]

well we gotta bring in our man landauer who fucked the demon over (even if szilard did it first)

[graceful crown]

1. shannon's demon does not exist
2. navi is also a maxwell's demon

and thanks to my bro who is programming not knowing you need to flush the input buffer so that no fuckery happens when programming. it is an inspiration

navi remembering must increase the entropy somewhere

oh wait

fuck i forgor,

[stiff magnet]

it technically can exist, as it paralleling Maxwell. Shannon’s Demon would sort information or extract order from noise. SO exactly what Navigator does.

[graceful crown]

the problem is there is no demon

but yeah it is a great "oversimplification"

because we know that if we want to order something, we need more of info

[stiff magnet]

yes.
ALL IS ILLUSION

[graceful crown]

no

[stiff magnet]

yes

[graceful crown]

not illusion. no demon because no paradox

[stiff magnet]

Nothing in Strinova is real

[graceful crown]

...

[stiff magnet]

NOTHING

[graceful crown]

let me finish my yapping

[stiff magnet]

xDDDD

[graceful crown]

on the implication of everyone being a maxwell's demon explaining collapse syndrome vol.2 more bored edition

[stiff magnet]

I'm pretty sure anyone who comes to check lore chanel in the last 24h is wondering if we're high

[dull elk]

...nah, this feels pretty par for the course for theorizing.

[graceful crown]

was high watching pbs space time and started hated hearing how maxwell's demon is intertwined with computer science which somehow explains von neumann being in quantum physics

and how just removing the boltzman constant explains a lot about data processing like ecc ram

[stiff magnet]

All I want to prove is that Lilith as character is not random and there's more to it

[graceful crown]

if you let me finish my lore disertation on why remembering in strinova causes entropy and you let me intertwine the possibility that life (that wants to order things) actually increases chaos, i would have gotten there

because if you think about it, aren't we all maxwell's demons?

chasing for our love, laplace's demon who shall put everything into place by have the answer to everything

in our quest to do so, we order things not wary of the cost it incurs within us

for we want to prove that we are capable of knowing something by showing it in the ordering of particles of a system which is a result of us knowing something

but i am getting of topic

[graceful crown]

anyway

[glass wing]

A new movie is coming out in june

And it kind of reminds of this lore too

[graceful crown]

pls keep it on topic

[glass wing]

It is

[graceful crown]

oh what?

[glass wing]

The fifth toy story movie

[dull elk]

...

[stiff magnet]

...

[glass wing]

...

[graceful crown]

...

should i continue the dissertation?

[stiff magnet]

i facepalmed so hard, my brain died

[dull elk]

Yeah, continue.

It's classic Cheese, what's new under the sun? (not a compliment or encouragement)

[graceful crown]

landuaer's principle states that any irreversible process done on information increases the entropy of the processor. This means that maxwell demon must know something about the system but for it to use what it knows about the system, it must put what it knows into a single state. what happened to the other states that the demon knew? well if we cannot get all possible states from the current state, the process is irreversible (we are not laplace's demon or rather laplace's god given the demon's omniscience) so now what happene to the previous state? well it seems to be forgotten. that means that it vanished into the ether or rather, it dissipated to somewhere beyond the demon. the forgotten stuff is moved somewhere increasing the entropy of whatever is beyond the demon (or just call it heat dissipation).

now there are now two sub theories to the landauer that i just realized and it correspons well with the two names i was chosing for this

first is "landauer is why we can't have nice things". humans are forgetful. we know that forgetting is the same as increasing entropy to the system we are part off so irl, it's us using brain power and using glucose ( i could go for some chocolate right now). in strinova, it's possible it's the memory sequence that loses coherence/gets disordered when they forget. for them to remain them, they must discard the wrong information but doing so, the invalidated states must wreak havoc somewhere and it is possible that the accumulation of such facts causes someone to collapse

the second interpretation is memory mush

similar to the "stack overflow" interpretation but the undefined behaviour is not achieved from breaking something but rather "losing yourself in the memories"

high entropy memory basically means that your memories require a lot of information to be recreated as your brain must cross reference facts to make it coherent

[glass wing]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-aardman-cheese-cementpfp-food-gif-1859268831938666603

[graceful crown]

processing such information will take its toll. if the thing processing it cannot do it reversibly, the processor will increase in entropy which may increase the entropy of something else. or just fail. collapse is either the entropy of processing or a failure of processing so,either way, in a sense, you were lost in your memories which are practically a mush.

here comes a fun corollary, maybe theorem that may relate to shiinake's asenscion ideas

if the process is reversible, you become laplace's demon

let that sink in

(this is also where i falsely equated maxwell's and laplace's demon)

the ratio of the amount of entropy of their sequence to the knowledge they have may be related to their ascension. we can probably equate ascension to approaching being a true laplace's demon

if you become laplace's demon, that means you are a stage 5 at that point.

or you are enlightened

man i am losing coherence because it's 1 am but was what i wrote clear?

[dull elk]

Still personally backreading and trying to process it all because it's a BIG theory and I'm also kinda busy RN.

[graceful crown]

fair

also i need sleep

[remote lily]

Dear support, I have been having trouble logging in since today. In addition to not being able to access my account from your official website with my email and password, it tells me that the server is experiencing errors, preventing me from seeing my account. The worst part is that months ago I unlinked my Steam account from Strinova to log in only with my email, and when I tried to use my Steam account, I can still access my account, but after 5 or 10 minutes I get the message 'data anomalies detected...' and I lose progress because I can't continue playing the game. This is frustrating, and I also invested in skins and bought passes for this game, only to now experience these errors. Please, I hope you can solve this problem as soon as possible.

[snow maple]

im ngl i dont think this qualifies as lore discussion

[wise palm]

You may have some better luck getting this issue noticed and dealt with by heading towards #player-support if you haven’t already.

Most help you can get here in #lore-discussion is learning about the game’s story/universe.

[warm badge]

hey what is the background behind yugiri

[blazing pewter]

She was a test subject in some pus facility

[glass wing]

Hey. What is the background behind Yugiri?

?

[stiff magnet]

There's a little more.
She was a HUMAN test subject in string energy experiment. Her body was repeatedly modified to endure high frequencies of string reactions.
In other words, she's an artificialy created superstring. It took Opal (pus) 237 tries to create one that survived.

[silk crescent]

so Yugiri is literally being tortured?

[stiff magnet]

was
But she killed everyone in the facility she was held captive by releasing her powers. The toxins blew up like a bomb, killing everyone and leaving her near dead. Flavia and her team found her and took in.
Yugiri works directly under Flavia unlike the rest of PUS. They're the compound eye members.
(Nobunaga, Kokona, Yvette, Michele are in investigator team. Leona is curent head of ministry of Engineering, and Chiyo is in supprt division, under invastigator team.)

[graceful crown]

I am convinced prism is a military government at this point. your ministry of engineering is more like the us army corps of engineers

or the SeaBees

(SeaBees are the Navy Construction Battalions)

engineers do not hold guns unless it's a warzone and they are that kind of engineer and the kind of engineering they do starts from building a bridge under fire to damming the niagara falls

[stiff magnet]

They kinda are?
They do use military ranks. Agents are sent armed into missions (thanks Flavia, safety first ♥)
Civil offices like Planning Bureau (Flavia was there before she joined compound eye), or even our little Investigation team are directly answerable to higher ups, and not to elected officials.

Speaking of Flavia, she's sponsored by the Old lady, who's a Director of the Security Bureau. That old woman is one of people who founded P.U.S. and is mentioned to be one of the architects of the current order.
Flavia is alive only because that grandma has her in her protection. Other way, the goverment would tear our butterfly to shreds.

DEVS, GIVE US THE COOL GRANDMA!

[graceful crown]

no i am saying, their ministry of engineering should be called the PUS Army Corps of engineer if their head engi uses an ultimax. i don't even think anyone beyond the rank of colonel (which leona probably is above) likes carrying anything heavier than a m9. i mean Leona can S.T.E.A.L. but why send your top engineer into danger when she can direct people... oh wait she is that kind of leader isn't she?

[stiff magnet]

Have you read Leona's story?
They just want to play minecraft

[graceful crown]

not completely. she wants to get down and dirty even in the battlefield

wait why is she being sent into combat zones with an ultimax?

and why am i not filling up my job form

[stiff magnet]

They're all armed because Flavia is paranoid and don't want anyone to be harmed during missions.

[graceful crown]

i guess leona likes the ultimax

but why send the engineer who just likes minecraft and your head engi no les

[stiff magnet]

They're all free to use weapons that suit them.
Most likely they test some, pick what they feel that suits them and get proper training from Kokona xD

weapons are also modified for the wielder

[graceful crown]

the only question now is why make your head engineer spec ops

because only spec ops dudes get to pick their shit and modify it

[stiff magnet]

barricades

most likely to keep civilians safe

[graceful crown]

why not just attach them instead of including them? wait leona is the only one with the tech and hesco ain't good enough anymore?

is flavia doing that so there is less suspicion because coordination is not quiet

[stiff magnet]

They don't drag Leona into missions.
Leona and her team just repair parts of cities that get destroyed in reverse string storms or renovate areas to be more comfortable for citizens.
When she's in less stable areas, she has security from investigation team 'cause she's friends with Kokona and Michele.

[graceful crown]

so basically flavia attaches kokona's team as security and leona just likes to use an ultimax in the hot parts of town. honestly believable.

[stiff magnet]

anime logic

But yes, investigation team is literally security. And it's Nobunaga's domain.
Flavia is intelligence.
Leona is building better cities

they all carry weapons, because there were attacks on personel and civilians that Scissors got blamed for, but it was NB.

[graceful crown]

well knowing CB's yeah i won't be surprised leona will be packing heat.

and knowing leona is the hands on person, she will be there in the thick of it since it's a civil war at this point

[stiff magnet]

Let her just drink tea and put blocks around.

Michele's father was probably victim of NB, Lawine's partner too.
Because investigators were harmed, they have to carry weapons for self defense.

[glass wing]

This makes a lot of sense

[graceful crown]

In simpler terms:

1. collapsing the state of information irreversibly will increase entropy/be equivalent to extracting work from a heat engine
2. if maxwell's demon is not laplace's demon also then
   a. the entropy of the system practically transfers to the demon's head. basically the memory of the demon is entangled to the entropy of the system it fucks with
   b. if the demon were to do it's task, it must collapse the state of its memory and since we have assumed that it's irreversible, 1 states that it will have to dissipate the "heat" for its work.
3. if strinovans are maxwell's demon, then there are 2 ways that landauer's principle explains collapse syndrome
   a. landuaer makes pc's hot: forgetting (equivalent to resetting a bit/releasing memory or a state) has a penalty which is possibly increasing the entropy of their string sequence
   b. memory mush: affirming what is true/remembering may be also a cause of entropy if that is the equivalent of merging computation paths or if not equivalent, processing such a vast memory is still rather expensive. the thing trying to extract the entropy for work must incur the cost or fail which probably affects the string sequence

memory mush or the stack overflow are probably the best interpretation for collapse syndrome though.

doesn't mean the landauer theory is still not useful. ahiru touched upon that already

now if the memory mush interpretation does hold, it can segway nicely to shiinake's ascension theory for superstrings as we may equate the mastery of the string sequence to the ratio of the amount of data a being has to the stability of their sequence.

it also means that the top of the ascension makes you effectively a laplace's demon

[wraith parrot]

Not a Laplace Demon
But a demon of the 7 philosophies

[graceful crown]

what's the difference? well the reason i equate it to laplace's demon is because, in classical physics, given enough information, the previous state can be inferred given the current state. this is still relating to maxwell's demon because if maxwell's demon knows everything about the system it fucks with and its operations are reversible, that means maxwell's demon can know everything and can tell you what state it was in and will be. opening and closing the gate is beyond it now for it is the god of that system, a laplace demon. this is also why i prefer calling laplace's demon laplace's god

but then i realized my reasoning is wrong

just now

laplace's demon is knowledge, maxwell's is about the use of that knowledge through landauer stating that the demon doing such a task is no different to extracting heat as work in a heat engine

fuck got it backwards

it's more pumping heat somewhere, maybe the engine from the entropy of information in the demon's head

or space

fucking entropy and computer science

[wraith parrot]

A Stage 5 superstring becomes an amalgam of the Demons of Physics (Maxwell's Demon, Laplace's Demon, Shannon's Demon), Szilard Engine, Landauer's Principle and the Demons of Philosophy, namely Nietzsche's and Descartes.

Szilard, Landauer and Maxwell in a singular.
Szilard states that rather than a demon, A single molecule, is the one responsible for the sorting instead of the Maxwell's Demon.
Landauer and Maxwell combines in the fact that, in L's principle, it allows the fact that M's demon does infact, Have a price.

Shannon's demon deals with efficiency of a system, One can only be so effective and efficient when some other system fights back. This system would correlate with my old theory that Superstrings becomes Superstrings because of Emotion. Intense enough the cause structural changes to their information.
And the only way to reach full godhood for superstrings (Stage 5) is to lose emotions making them perfect computational machines.

And this is where the last 3 demons comes into play
Nietzsche's, Descartes and Laplace's Demons
Nietzsche's demon implies that in every reality, Every version of you lives the same lives and you know it. This correlates with Laplace and Descartes because even though the superstrings know that their lives will be the same, they also have knowledge of everything and anything and they will reach the point where they make everything believe in a false reality.

A loop, A Stage 5 Superstring once existing, will always exist. They will always go down the same path even if they already know they're going down the same road.

This also ties in with the Revised Theory of Evolution for the Superstrings where once they reach Stage 3, They become semi-Godlike that manipulates everything in a small area
By stage 4, They become able to manipulate their own universe/dimension.
By stage 5, They become the computers that runs the omniverse

Of course that would be dependant on their original superstring abilities.

5 of these are demons of physics and 2 are demons of thought

[graceful crown]

wait shannon did have a demon?

oh fuck no wonder why i haven't heard of it

it's mostly used in finance

i keep forgetting those guys are mathematicians and not purely computer scientists

and i keep forgetting computers are math and engineering pushed to their limits

[wraith parrot]

Once a Superstring reaches stage 4, They're like Dominions from Marvel (Comics)
But they have the ability to interfere and will interfere

[graceful crown]

more than a maxwell's demon i am assuming

[graceful crown]

so stage 5 is like a shittier version of chim

from elder scrolls

[wraith parrot]

Even worse
The Stage 5 Superstrings basically become the Supercomputers that compute, simulate and will put the entire omniverse inside the Matrix

[graceful crown]

do you also think that the memory mush interpretation of collapse syndrome would have a good interaction with your current theories especially when taking into account the other demons?

[wraith parrot]

Actually, Thinking deeper, Yea, it's also part of Shannon's demon
Memory is information, which is one of the more -if not most primal form of energy that entropy has

[graceful crown]

god damn it shannon, (and you too von neumann). you somehow linked computers to entropy and linked quantum mechanics to everything

[wraith parrot]

We already know that even though people that are inflicted with collapse syndrome gets their memory mushed, They still have those memories
Meaning it is in a state of very high entropy based on Shannon's demon since in Shannon's eyes, The higher the information unpredictability the higher the entropy
And the collapsed are like that because their resonant frequencies in their string sequence are jumbled up

The vibration of the string sequence are still information afterall

The Strinovians are literally people who are coded (even if they're not computers/simulations) based on the vibration of their string sequences
Superstring are a bit above them because in the revised theory
They gain the ability to "recode" themselves and the higher they progress in the stages of the Superstring Ladder, They gain the ability to recode the environment (stage 2), recode the local box (Maxwell demon reference) (stage 3), recode the universe they are in (stage 4), Recode the entire omniverse (stage 5)

Maybe that's why the Collapsed appeared
They are also part of Entropy backlash of the Superstrings manipulating the sequences of the world

The Crystalline is the Strinova Universe's way to expel outsiders
While the Collapsed is the backlash outcome of the Superstring using their abilities

@dull elk do we have precedence of a Superstring becoming or getting Collapse Syndrome?

[dull elk]

In retconned lore yes, where in S3, Audrey literally gets injected with an agent that seems to artificially speed up Collapse Syndrome (and then the Navigator deus ex machina's her out of it).

[wraith parrot]

hmmm, Seems in line with my theory
Audrey is stage 1, Meaning she is still in the stage where at most she can only access Stringification
Since only in Stage 2 can Superstrings a start fucking with Entropy

[dull elk]

Also went and backread through what I'd term as the "Zohar/7 Demons Theory," and holy cow. Also, my poor brain.

That aside, I put down notes of what my understanding of that theorizing is in another tab of the Worldbuilding document, since the entire thing is quite extensive.

[wraith parrot]

Dunno how I can make theories like this when at the same time I'm doing stupid shit in other server like calling my guild leader in another game a stripper

While making a meta build at the same time

[manic plover]

isnt mich also working with flav on top of being an investigator? i remember one of the stories where michele enters a game tournament but has to kinda forfeit it cause some emergency happens

and then koko complains at the end how expensive it is to use special forces

i love mich compound eye lore, like her legendary skin

[manic plover]

DOMAIN EXPANSION!

[manic plover]

this would be so funny to take out of context

and now all backread

peak lore discussion

[graceful crown]

oh that's her character story. flavia was not involved. a child had collapse syndrome in the tourney and mich managed the situation

[manic plover]

ah

oh well

:P

[manic plover]

on that actually, i just remembered that the new character lore panels they put in the agent screen

so it seems like by "Eye of PUS" it refers to Flavia specifically rather than the Compound Eye

which makes what mich says in her legendary make more sense

[manic plover]

this theory is crazy and i love it

[stiff magnet]

Yugiri was just there, enjoying her day off when Michele asked for help, taking full responsibility for breaking every protocol possible, so that Yugiri would join her.

[glass wing]

Guys

Is it possible to have chimpanzees in Strinova?

?

[graceful crown]

a valid question for once. @dull elk wasn't it confirmed that there was some sort of lab that held animals?

[glass wing]

If there are animals

[dull elk]

Yes - Fuchsia's character bios show that PUS has a lab that, at minimum, has a live shark.

[atomic sand]

When it comes to theories (got me curious from what I saw): are they meant to make stuff up as long as there is some evidence backing it up? Or it should stick to the lore/story it already has, only expanding it in a different way? Also heya, first time here.

[graceful crown]

expansion is just making shit up based on evidence. basically an extrapolation

or interpolation if you do relate outside stuff

[graceful crown]

gdi cheese

[glass wing]

I mean like seriously

There could be primates in Strinova

[stiff magnet]

I personally use stuff the game gave me, and build on it.
Laplace's demon theory comes from

[wraith parrot]

It really depends on the game you're making theories on. Some give information, some just give context.
Strinova gave both but doesn't have the story to back it up

Right now, Strinova is like a rough draft of a novel
You know the events that will happened, has happened, when it will happed, why it happened.
However you don't know the story behind it.

Using those information that you have that were given, you try and piece and put pieces down together so that it makes sense.

[graceful crown]

i'm saying the videos are unnecessary and it floods the chat

[wraith parrot]

There will be cases where you will have to do very far reaches in your theory guesses but that's part of the process.
Since once start your theory, Some stuff will just click together while some wouldn't mesh

[glass wing]

Oh. Okay

[atomic sand]

While at work, an interesting theory came to my mind and for the next 3 hours before leaving home, I though of connections and ideas if it could work (not gonna say yet). And actually, that theory does work in a lot of cases.. like 7/10. My problem is, i cannot remember how to write it well so it wont come out ad a mad man's screech due to my memory being bad. It will take a lot of time to remember it all, praise me luck for I think i need it. xD

[stiff magnet]

Good luck

[violet bolt]

this game has lore?

[blazing pewter]

Yes, some got axed but some have been axed but there are more that has been written

[graceful crown]

Hey guys more irl lore dropped. How can we integrate it into our theories?

Also I know it's Sabine but she's the bigger channel that talks aboutbit

https://youtu.be/k6AddqLIbJA?si=TXTAH5VkycbNuyy8

[sleek remnant]

Are you ok?

[graceful crown]

had lore.

[graceful crown]

who?

[silk crescent]

for a second I thought you're giving us a scam link

[mild venture]

I was about to speculate if this is the reason why Flavia is rather detached in her behavior as a lvl 2 but then again Eika is uber energetic and emotional and she’s also level 2

[wraith parrot]

Flavia is nearing Stage 3, While Eika is still likely around early or just broke through stage 2

Flavia's ult figuratively allows her to become semi immortal inside her zone, Which checks the list of stage 3's become a local area "God"

[wraith parrot]

I forgot about this bc it was like at 3am and I was playing games but the old theory supplements it abit

They don't lose "all" emotions
They lose it bit by bit

[analog pulsar]

It seems that they are slowly making new lore with the current event setting up what I'm gonna dub for now the 'Outbreak Arc'

Each sector once completed has a small block of text about how different characters are fighting against the Crystalline

Image to text conversion of the Tyve Oasis area report

Tyve Oasis: Gloom
Compiled from: Fuchsia
"I quit! Let some other sucker take this job! I'm not risking my life for a few hundred crystals!"
With the accelerator floored, the transport truck roared at maximum output, hurtling toward its destination. Though the route to Tyve Oasis was lined with lush greenery-a rarity in the Seeda Peninsula-neither Cielle nor Fuchsia could appreciate the view with Crystallines swarming in relentless pursuit. After all, no one could admire the scenery under such assault.
"No deal-we can't afford the breach-of-contract penalty." Fuchsia fired two controlled bursts to drive back the Crystallines clawing at the vehicle, then dropped back into the passenger seat to reload, dismissing Cielle's proposal.
"...Heh, sorry. I'm not on the battlefield because I love fighting," Cielle let out a bitter, gritted-teeth laugh. "I signed a contract, and I can't pay the fine!"
Got two updates," Fuchsia said, watching the speedometer climb as she tried to defuse the tension. "Which one do you want first?"
"The bad one!"
"I'm down to my last two spare mags."
"And the good one?!"
"Sensors show a massive host of Crystallines ahead, blocking our path."
"What...? How is that the good news?"
"Let me rephrase: a piece of bad news, and one that's even worse."
"Fuchsia! Just great!" The truck's velocity surged again.
Watching the shadowy figures begin to encircle them, Cielle sighed. "I have a plan."
She mentally scrolled through the operation's contract, verifying every detail. "We can use bait to divert them from the truck. The bombs are inert for now-hardly any String Energy signature." Makes sense," Fuchsia nodded. "We'll do it your way.
(1/?)

"Then it's settled-you're the bait." Cielle managed a thumbs-up amid the chaos.
"...Wait, what? And what about you?" Fuchsia challenged.
"I'll be driving, obviously," Cielle retorted with unshakable confidence.
With no superior alternative, Fuchsia grabbed her spare magazines and leaped from the speeding transport. She landed, fired precise shots to seize the Crystallines' attention, then
peeled off, running in the opposite direction.
But there were too many. Even as she fought, a glance back confirmed a sizable group still doggedly chasing the truck. The dry click of her empty weapon prompted a heavy sigh. "Should've just taken the penalty hit from the start."
"... Told you, I can't pay it!" A radiant curtain of light swept in, scattering the Crystallines like feathers from unfurled wings.
It was Cielle, having activated her "Winged Princess" combat rig. "And don't think you can milk extra hazard pay through
excessive battle damage!"
Where's the truck?" Fuchsia asked, accepting the backup
weapon from a battle-hardened Cielle who had come to share the burden.
"While you were in the cab, I forgot it had an auto-nav system engaged."
"...On purpose, wasn't it?"
"Irrelevant now. They're all after us. Let's move!"
The two broke through the Crystallines' encirclement along their planned escape route.
"Speaking of which," Fuchsia suddenly remarked, "doesn't it feel like they're acting differently this time?"
The fleeting relief on Cielle's face evaporated, replaced by a replaced by a gnawing unease.
"If the pack has started hunting strategically, there's only one explanation."
She locked eyes with Fuchsia, confirming their shared
realization.
"Their 'Alpha' is here."
Beneath the oasis trees, the two mercenaries fell silent. Dappled
shadows danced as the wind whispered through leaves, filtering the sunlight into a dim, ominous glow-like countless eyes, silently watching their every move.
(2/2)

[analog pulsar]

I do wonder who this 'Ceille' is

[sleek remnant]

Most likely the new Urbino shotgun girl

[stiff magnet]

Urbino's new pupper

[analog pulsar]

It does mention a combat rig, this is an interesting ult we've got

My best guess is some kind of healing ult like Fragrans

Because Fragrans' ult damages Crystallines

[graceful crown]

wait, the crystalline character is not a crystalline? she just looks like one?

[mild venture]

Do we know how long ago The Reverse String Storm event that swallowed Eden happened compared before start of the game (and presumably all of 3-6 months into the civil war)? Working on a character.

[graceful crown]

we don't know

unless @dull elk knows

[mild venture]

What does reason mean here? Like a solid example from one of the characters.

[graceful crown]

force of will i am guessing in a nietzschian sense or will to live/their meaning of life

iirc the flavia thing is about her sister and rooting out pus corruption. similar for mere but this time is fucking over pus

ming is easy because she is a rebel while eika, her story involves around her town and wanting it to be safe

[wraith parrot]

That and another in a sense

[graceful crown]

i keep mistaking force of will to will to power

[wraith parrot]

Additional explanation to the old sequence / requirements for strinovians to evolve through the levels of Superstrings.

We already know that the souls of strinovians are the combination of Memories/Memory Sequences and Emotions.

Them (Strinovians) reaching Stage 1 makes the Emotion side to the Soul become closer Quantum Sequences/Strings.

(Explanation — Humans when migrating to Strinova had their "Memory" evolve, into what we know as Strings.
They are still human, missing a few to become superstrings.)

This basically turns them into a full string/information based life form.

To get to the realms of Stage 2
They need "Reason" or "Force of Will" to be able to control their own vibrations, resulting in them deceiving, therefore, manipulating the Sea of Strings.
(Read : #lore-discussion message 4th paragraph)

Wait... Brain fog clearing

These 7 Demons might be the stages of Superstrings themselves

Maxwell is the first stage
Descartes
Szilard
Landauer
Shannon
Nietzsche
Laplace would be the last

[stiff magnet]

16 years ago

(Season 4 story, episode 5)

[glass wing]

Omg

[mild venture]

Tyvm

[stiff magnet]

[dull elk]

Disclaimer: This is assuming that datamined character ages are canon.

[stiff magnet]

With Eika and Michele, they are. It fits the timeline.

Meredith is ancient, she was one of the very first people who stepped into strinova. And that was at least 100 years ago, given that you're not fully immortal when you get implemented xD
Everyone's Nodes gradually decay, not only hers. So they had a test group to know that when you're about 100 years old, you're prone to collapse.

Thooooo.... we can take her age (19) and use it as indicator when base S12 was destroyed. She got reincarnated, and that would restart her "aging"
Add half year and that's when Scissors came to be. xD

It kinda fits the narrative

[dull elk]

Fair enough.

[stiff magnet]

because corridor was closed 20 years ago (S4 - Lawine told Michele that she was on the last group of people wo came to STrinova, and it was 20 years ago)

[graceful crown]

@dull elk we have the 16 bkt date confirmed?

[graceful crown]

and the ages are not canon given the situation between kokona and celestia

wasn't there "lore as written" that contradicted it?

[dull elk]

More plausible (as Ahiru just said) but not 100% confirmed.

Main thing that points to 16 BKT is a combination of that line in S4E5 story + Michele’s datamined age.

(which has so far been retconned, but IMO not completely out of the picture, particularly if Ahiru’s theory of Strinova being a time loop is true)

[stiff magnet]

there you go

all fits in

Mere is 100+

[sleek remnant]

Hagmaxxing...

[stiff magnet]

It's more than a time loop. I'd say a state-space attractor loop.

Humans are no longer biochemical.
They are string sequences.

We got confirmaton that a person is not one timeline.
Basically they are a vector across multiple dimensions. Navigator can reach out into any dimension (thanks to the bracelet), and pull out lost fragments (memory)

So - Memory is not stored in time. When your body (sequences) are reconstructed after injury or death, it does not “rewind” time. It simply re-installs previous copy.
It aligns with how Kokona's ult works. She has access to copies of PUS/Urbino members. And this is why you can't res Scissors.

Also explains how Legendaries work

You get loops/resets in areas PUS nuked.

All to cover up the truth

And the truth is - they wanted their own utopia. And they can't have it when people want to go back to Earth.

So they play gods and reset/nuke entire cities to ensure no one would dare to escape. After reset and reincarnation, ppl no longer rebel, as they are given new personality or life even.
They did that with Meredith when she discovered the nuclear weapon they use to reset cities. Boom, and she woke up in new job xD

[analog pulsar]

If we take all game mechanics as canon, then Kokona can res Urbino/Scissors members as long as they are on the current team (Conquest/Gunslinger Showdown are the only way to get Scissor members on her team and still have an ult)

[glass wing]

Where are the Cars at?

?

[graceful crown]

reconstruction is canon in strinova. you just need a copy and a way to "guide" the consciousness to the new body

[stiff magnet]

these are not canon modes. Only demo/escort/outbreak

[analog pulsar]

Escort truck

[analog pulsar]

Okay. I think you can also res Scissors members in Outbreak during Final Showdown

[stiff magnet]

yes, because pus and scissors cooperate

[analog pulsar]

Yeah, so saying Kokona can only res PUS is inaccurate. I assume before the start of the round Kokona saves a 'flash' of whoever is on her team

I do wonder what compression format she uses as storing upwards of 100 years of human experience would be incredibly inefficient

[stiff magnet]

I may have worded myself wrong.
Kokona canonically can res only PUS members and urbino, because she has file data of them before they're dispatched on a mission.
basically she makes copies of everyone

Outbreak introduced the 3 teams cooperating, so she probably got data of everyone from Meredith, or scans them too. But that's later in the story.

[wraith parrot]

You're thinking of it in a wholly wrong direction

The revival isn't a "copy paste zipfile, decompress file" tada new human

It's "Rebuild/prepare body, String sequence data (soul) gets injected/transplanted back to new body"

It's been hinted and said in the first outbreak event already when Kokona asked members of the special unit if they've prepared spare bodies incase needed for the operation

I've already extrapolated this feature of the Strinovians to the skins aswell

Those things are "spare bodies?" of the Superstring

[wraith parrot]

Less this and more

"Open new folder —> Right click old file —> move file to new folder"
Type shit

[glass wing]

Nice

[glass wing]

Question

Remember that Scene with the ice?

?

What would happen. If you got struck by it?

?

Would you just get stuck inside of it?

?

[graceful crown]

?

[tough crescent]

the season 1 episode 4 i think

[analog pulsar]

You would still need to store the string sequence for injection, that sounds like it would take an incredible amount of storage space, meanwhile regular compression may be undesirable. So you would need an effective lossless compression

Now real question that'd probably be used for a 4 panel gag and never again. Does the string sequence require a specific body structure, or can a string sequence be put in the incorrect body?

[dull elk]

As for an actual answer to that question, we don't exactly know. The best guess is that there's probably at least consequences to that.

Evidence being - How current characters don't really have any major alterations (the two biggest being Yugiri and Meredith; Yugiri being the literal product of human experimentation, Meredith having an innately less stable String Sequence), how Ming and Lawine's disguises in the manhwa didn't change her physical appearance too much (despite it being way smarter to have more alteration).

And "putting a person in the wrong body has nasty consequences" wouldn't be a first either - just off the top of my head, there's Dissociative Exomind Rejection from Destiny 2 (where the human rejects their robot body and leading to outcomes like, I dunno, literally tearing themselves apart).

[analog pulsar]

Yeah I can see that

Just asked because it seemed like an interesting question and there very well may have been a 4-panel that answered it

[glass wing]

When Fay was attacking everyone else

[weak gust]

Kokona prints new bodies in real time as far as the game shows. You can even see her print HER OWN body during an introduction

[stiff magnet]

I need a printer like that

What if altering the body may alter personality?
Ming in her Freya alias was so adorable. I doubt she's such good actor.

[glass wing]

Hi

So. Would you just be frozen solid?

?

[graceful crown]

this the one with your oc?

[glass wing]

No

During that Scene

Fay went crazy

[graceful crown]

have not scene any strinova media in months

[glass wing]

And be roared at all of them

[graceful crown]

so send a link

[glass wing]

Okay

And Ming deflected the ice too

Let me find it

https://youtu.be/-vNyDhlAdts?si=3OnIEDkkkeVFBjuQ

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-grizzly-bear-roar-roaring-bear-gif-25393658

[graceful crown]

a gin with the gifs cheese. stop adding unnecessary shit

[glass wing]

Sorry

My bad

[graceful crown]

it was a bullet

[glass wing]

Wait

Ming used a bullet?

?

Wow

[graceful crown]

no kokona shot and ming blocked it

[glass wing]

Ik

But when Fay used his ice powers

[graceful crown]

ming seemed to do nothing on either instances

[glass wing]

I thought that she blocked the ice

Hold on

[mild venture]

Hilarious that a game like Nikke has such great lore on exactly this issue only for such a ridiculous execution that ultimately takes away from it. A lot of the same principles from it can/could apply to Strinova minus the robot body aspect, ofc.

[graceful crown]

writers want to write. consumers want to

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consumers must consoom

[weak gust]

I've read the theory about Superstring stages. That's pretty strong as fanfiction but the grief as a prerequisite breaks against Eika. Her motivation has absolutely nothing to do with grief - she's a teen implementing teen's ideas of justice and the only notable difference is the presence of her powers

The only thing Flavia's story shows is s not the importance of emotions - it's the fact her powers are a specific manifestation of her prevalent fantasies - she was hung on butterfly imagery and the "butterfly dream" long before she became a Superstring, let alone before she let loose

Still, the more I read of the materials, the more I am reminded of Perimeter. And it's a good similarity.

And I greatly suspect the reason Superstrings become Superstrings is deliberately vague

[dull elk]

Or that we are, justified or not, reading into it too much because the devs themselves never gave it as much thought.
We read into the Sanctuary of Chaos entry like it's some sort of hint at a grander story rewrite. To the devs, it could be simply just "yeah, we need to write in a justification for the existence of marketable anime girl Crystalline with bouncy badonkers."

[mild venture]

literally doing the opposite of the "I'll make my own X, with Blackjack and hookers" bit

[weak gust]

Extremely likely

I mean, we have Michele, who's supposedly both a champion in several game competitions AND has a full time job simultaneously

[glass wing]

I just saw something. Right now

But could it really be her?

?

[graceful crown]

well we did do a leap of logic based on what happened. she saw parts of her city get fucked in some retconned lore @dull elk or @wraith parrot can elaborate

[wraith parrot]

In the old retconned lore
Cauchy was so fucked up to the point they sided with Scissors for protection than the Opal, The government

Grief would be the most adequate emotion to put here since it's the most common factor against all of them
Grief isn't something that is expressed in a singular uniformed manner afterall

Meredith's Grief should be learning the truth about base S12, what happened to her team and the mind wipes.

Kokona's might be from her parent's abandonment

Mara's — her team and the cold shouldered callousness of the Government

Nobu from his brother's betrayal

However one experiences Grief is solely dependent on how that person relates to something they deem "important"

And all of the Superstrings we have right now did lose some parts that one would consider "Important"

It might sound like fanfiction because a lot of theories will end up sounding like it at the end if one's uninitiated
But these are taken from the factors that correlate with each other

It's already in the new theories proposed on how superstrings go on into the path of their "evolution" and "powers"
It's molded by their thoughts, What they're fascinated with

[graceful crown]

@weak gust

and grief is also kind of old. it's more strong emotion now

[wraith parrot]

Eika gained Fire because of passion and hot-blooded driven thoughts of becoming similar to a Saviour

Flavia because she's enamored by the beauty of butterflies and how fleeting they could be

Meredith is sand because she's course, rough, easy to break at moments notice

Fuchsia is the same as Flavia, enamored by sharks she gained the ability to smell blood, sweat and the rest

Celestia's because of her love for astrology and becoming a shining beacon

It's also why I separated "Technological" and "True Superstrings" in the old theories

[wraith parrot]

It's why the second evolution requirement is literally just "Reason"
Because it's broad and most people can't even explain the "Reason" for their Ethos other than the basic 3
"It's just the way I am", "Because [insert opinion]" and lastly "I grew up with it"

There are things that you can't explain purely because it is emotional stimuli.

It's a bonus that it fits into place in with the theories

Because if superstring evolution is purely technological
It wouldnt make sense why they are so scarce even after like nearly 150 years of being in Strinova
And the highest level of Superstrings we see is Flavia/Mara/Celestia

These 3 are the highest rated I have right now because of what their superstring abilities have achieved for them, both ingame and lorewise

Flavia already has access to stage 3 area manipulation

Meanwhile the other 2 has access to different parts of the Sea of Strings
Celestia with her Ult and Mara with the integration of "souls" in her body (since souls are both memory and emotion, she's basically Legion-ing it (I am legion, For we are many type shit))

Gotta stop before my rant goes off the rails and devise more theories from self introspection aka rubber ducky method

[sleek remnant]

Kokona was abandoned by her parents? I thought that was Yvette

Unless everyone in PUS is an orphan lmao

[glass wing]

Guys

Who is this?

?

Is this Ceille?

[wraith parrot]

Her parent's are cultural scientist iirc
Always never home
That's why she got her robot drones
It was a gift from her parent's who are never home

[sleek remnant]

Not ideal for sure, but still better than your parents literally disappearing with no warning

Gotta up your suffering story Kokonuts

[wraith parrot]

She gave up wanting to see them home iirc

[glass wing]

Who do you think that it is?

?

Unless. It is just some kind of Skin

[stiff magnet]

She's constantly in contact with them over letters and calls and she gets gifts for every birthday. So many that her dorm is stacked with boxes full of them

[graceful crown]

fragrans new skin iirc

[graceful crown]

cielle is the "crystalline" agent

[weak gust]

Flavia also doesn't feel Strinova is the "rsal world". She keeps thinking of butterfly dream from Zhuangzi, making a parallel with stringification and reincarnation

That's why her butterflies in-game give her outright immortality

So, strong smotion doesn't really apply to her nearly as much as it may seem

[weak gust]

As far as I understand, even the Superstrings who use technology don't use the devices alone — as in, no one else can use them with the same effect.

Chiyo's story heavily implies that.

In fact, it straight up says control of Bablo energy is a matter of talent completely unrelated to trauma — that's how Chiyo got scouted by Flavia.

Now, exposure to more Bablo energy can definitely help grow that talent further, but that's obvious cultivation stuff, seen with both Eika and Mara, who literally learned to absorb said energy from her crystalline foes (ths crystals are, obviously, Bablo crystals)

(It's Chinese, of course it has cultivation mixed in. That's like every Japanese game having some food tourism in it)

On another note, I have strong suspicions Maddeleina's paint is made of souls

The reincarnation runoff, to be specific

She looks like the exact kind of person to just use something like that and smile doing it

[stiff magnet]

PLEASE XDDD

[weak gust]

Oh, and Kanami's abilities are also directly connected to her obsession with being an idol — her superpower is sound, so powers are directly connected with the dominant images of the mind, and emotions are probably part of that, but not the source

[weak gust]

Fragrans? I thought ot would be Leona, since Fragrans had one recently and is getting a simpler one shown on the same picture

[stiff magnet]

Kokona wanted to give life to the sea bunny in order to let it help others. - so her powers are reanimation and healing
You described Kanami and Flavia well
Meredith sees patterns, the very essence of things. The very element.
So she can control simple crystalline structure like loose pixels xD

[weak gust]

Three pixels up

[stiff magnet]

YES

[weak gust]

Meredith is also full-on chuuni about Egypt

Which is notable brcause the first pioneer settlement on Seeds is made in the style of ancient Egypt

[graceful crown]

oh you do not know how chuuni she can get. some skins are very canon (some for the funniest or stupidest reason)

[weak gust]

She also keeps referring to Duat, which she associates with sea of souls

[weak gust]

I believe even the anatomically placed Ankh is canon

(Though she usually prefers to hide the Y-shaped part)

[stiff magnet]

inb4 The first researchers after realizing they can modify their bodies played a prank on Mere giving her the ears and she's so unbothered with them, she keeps them to this day xD

[graceful crown]

i was refering also to the witch skin. she was into that cosplay in the cn event for it

[stiff magnet]

It's beacause her end goal in the S12 base is to retrieve souls of the people who died with her from the literal sea of souls there

[weak gust]

To be exact, all skins are canon. The reconstruction is the process of drawing parralel world versions or something to that effect, not just body reconstructions

That'a why you literally input string sequences into the same particle accelerator that was used to refine the bablo crystal in the Season 1

You can even see them travel and transform

[stiff magnet]

Oh that reminds me... Michele spoke to her father from different dimension

[weak gust]

Collapse syndrome could also be referring to function collapse (Japanese houkai isn't originally used for that, but is still somewhat common thanks to direct "translation" from english)

The personality shift during reconstruction can also be connected to this and not just be the result of partial memory wipes — the navigator's job may very well include the process of finding the "right" parts of the person to bring back and assemble without making them self-contradictory

At least, PUS genuinely considers it a side effect, that they are trying to weaponize, but can't exsctly predict

Which obviously won't fly when seen from the side by those who saw people get taken away and just never come back, like Ming did

There's also Yugiri, who is living proof of shady shit going on

So there's no doubt they would weaponize it if they could

I doubt they can, though, considering that, like, over half of the Scissors are former P.U.S. members. Even Ming joined, trying to infiltrate them with no clear plan and then got welcomed by Meredith and Lawine (don't forget Scissors started as a cell within P.U.S)

Meredith's story does mention a backup, but it doesn't specify how it works and backup of what, exactly, it is

[weak gust]

If you look at character introductions, literally everyone manipulates space around them (the background changes). It's like World Eggs from Fate all over

(Out-of-game reson for background change is that the introduction scenes only look ok from the standard camera angle for optimization reasons, so the only times it's okay to move it without changing the background is when camera looks up and there's literally nothing other than the skybox visible)

(But I mean, out-of-game reason for Kanami's existence is someone on the dev teams enjoys yanderes, so those have no bearing on lore)

[graceful crown]

yanderes? kanami is far from one

[stiff magnet]

Ming was already in Scissors then.

Looking at all the hints -
She was a gang leader in Preton, got involved in Preton's collapse syndrome containment by PUS, probably as usual ending up in jail.

Meredith (and Lawine) most likely were in Preton then, scouting because of PUS suddenly arriving there, what's already sus. They found loud individual opposing PUS and Meredith wanted that puppy.
Ming is someone with a strong anchor point. She wouldn’t bend for authority. She's someone who could become a problem…or an ally.
And Mere needed such people to mess with PUS back then.
So Ming became Scissors member - running sabotage, smuggling, and local intel missions, all without ever knowing the Scissors’ deepest goal.
She became a core member after proving herself and becoming Lawine's trusted friend. That's when Lawine filled her in with Scissors true goal, risking a lot if she wouldn't be on the same page as them.
Burdening her with talk of Earth, Human Corridors, Collapse, Bablo...
could only crush her spirit. Because ngl, it's huge deal for someone as simple minded as our Ming. So I love her answer.
“I’m not quitting. If we can’t live a good life in Strinova, then I’ll take everyone back to Earth to live a good life. It’s the same for everyone.”

Ming is “a natural rally point.” for Scissors. Someone who could lead citizens when the time came. This is why she's so valuable.
Citizens won't follow Meredith. But they will go after Ming.

Man I love Ming xD

The Leilong legendary skin fits so well there.

[graceful crown]

how bad do you think the ai implementation will be:https://youtube.com/shorts/9M0dwMwphn8?si=FnJXS0YYT6jQPyKI

[stiff magnet]

AI dorms will probably work like visual novel.
You'll have several options to push conversation with Superstring, and they will react accordingly.
So you can have either waifu or enemy in the dorm xD

[weak gust]

She looks like one with how she looks and acts

Though, I guess, "denpa" would be more accurate

[weak gust]

That makes a lot of sense

[glass wing]

Oh. Okay

But. Fragrans is already on the left side of the image

OH

IT IS not her

Bruh

[stiff magnet]

I have ptsd to "these" cosplay videos with her pretending to be a robot xD

[bronze marten]

not Kanami, money saved.

[glass wing]

Nice

[solid wharf]

oh, it's .

Money saved

[glass wing]

Yes

[graceful crown]

Nah. That's regular idol behavior and looks

If you want yandere, Yuno gasai or still in love (second thought SiL is quite tame)

Taihou (azurlane) though is probably another good example

(still tame)

Wait am I actually about to compare yanderes to the (forced) shit idols say? I mean they do sound similar but the intent is kinda different

[glass wing]

Berry is basically a yandere

[graceful crown]

Who TF is that? are you talking about oc's in lore chat again cheese?

[glass wing]

No

Berry. From foster's home for imaginary friends

[graceful crown]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

I feel old

[glass wing]

She was obsessed with Bloo. And. She tried to get rid of Mac too

[graceful crown]

That is a perfect example of yandere

[glass wing]

https://tenor.com/view/berry-evil-go-crazy-foster's-home-for-imaginary-friends-pink-gif-6120596849416414608

[graceful crown]

Oh that b- itchy

Rare cheese w

[glass wing]

Yes

Wait

Is Panini a yandere too?

?

Panini from Chowder

[graceful crown]

Close. Some say yes, other says no but uh let's not derail chat further

[glass wing]

Oh. Okay

[weak gust]

But that's the thing — Kanami isn't sorking as an idol on the battlefield, she just acts the way she does becsuse she isn't right in the head

But yes, I guess, denpa is a better description (though her detection voicelines are absolutely terrifying)

[sleek remnant]

All Yandere's are crazy people but not all crazy people are yanderes

[weak gust]

There's no need to explain to me what a yandere is, I know Japanese (though still struggle with kanji)

Her Japanese detection voicelines sound yandere. But her other behaviour does sound more denpa, probably hanabatake-type

[sleek remnant]

Oh I wasn't explaining I was making a joke

[weak gust]

Oh, I see

Fun detail: In Japanese many voice lines are rather different from the translated Chinese ones, and some are just better translated from Chinese.

A good example of the former is Ming's voctory line, where she calls Scissors "The one who cuts them damn paler slips", using multiplicity suffix "domo" thay's only used for people, meaning she's calling PUS "scraps of paper", referring both to their stringification and bureaucratic tyranny

A good example of the latter is Eika's enemy defeated voice line, whereshe calls the enemy for surrender. In English, it sounds as if she holds "normal life" hostage. In Japanese it's just "Don't you miss everyday life?" spoken with genuine worry, as if she's calling for disarmsment because it's the PUS' actions preventing the normal life from being possible

Oh, and she uses word "kenka", which refers to bickering and fights that happen among friends and family

[stiff magnet]

Kanami hater spotted xD (jk)

Kanami is normal. She just isn't a soldier like Ming, Lawine, Mara or Reiichi.
Her and Eika are part-timers, who are supporting Scissors with their skills, and not fully members.
Kanami being an idol, makes her a good spy.

[weak gust]

A normal person doesn't call a battle field "the best stage"

I don't exactly hate her

[stiff magnet]

She's quirky and loves teasing people

[weak gust]

I used to for a short while because of gameplay mechanics, but the character is very entertaining

Oh, wait

I think I get what you mean

Strinova has a very different weight of death

So one doesn't need to be crazy to be as lighthearted about it as Kanami is

[stiff magnet]

it's hard to fear death when your consciousness can just be put in new body xD

[weak gust]

They change bodies all the time

Oh, Kanami's detection lines are epic, though. When her passive triggers, she doesn't use the word "Enemy" in Japanese

She uses "相手", which is used to refer to the opponent in match or a partner in an omiai

She isn't even hostile, and treats the whole thing as a game

The latter can also be seen on the "Scissors" bilibili story when she's unhappy to hear no one invited her to the operation

[graceful crown]

I once heard the retelling of the first kill of an ac130 crewman. They didn't freak out when they killed someone. They freaked out when they returned to base and had it sink in. Not sure if I can send the vid but it's like in a famous vr chat interviewer channel. The one with orange hair.

[weak gust]

Her Q is also lovely, and that one can be understood even withoit knowing the language. The intonation and use of a childish onomatopoeia says it all

[weak gust]

Shock does that to you. I was quite upbeat when the car I was in was hit by another. Shit just doesn't sink in right away.

[graceful crown]

Lots of stories of how some old soldiers get surprise with fng's who were from the cod generation. Kanami is relatively tame

[weak gust]

Kanami'a situation is very different, though

[graceful crown]

It's not the shock. The shock was, according to them, they thought of it as a job

[weak gust]

I see

[graceful crown]

If you read the All quiet on the Western front, kanami is what people are until someone gets hit by bullshit

In strin where the bullshit is trivial, and your job is to be an entertainer, you may be freaking out inside so you cope by thinking it's like something you know

[stiff magnet]

You're missing point of Kanami's character.
She grew up in a family where she never got attention. Seeking it, she found out about idols.
"The beloved, seen by all, shining idols."
She wanted attention, she wanted to be seen, so she became one through hard work.

Ming and her get along, and Ming often asks her to collect information, as no one would suspect an idol to be a spy xD
Even her choice of a weapon is nice. She can stay hidden as a sniper.

[graceful crown]

They can't understand kanami's non chalance

[stiff magnet]

She has a lot of inner conflicts

[weak gust]

Thsnk you, I an starting to get it

[stiff magnet]

But in the end, she wants to guide people into a better tomorrow.
Her songs resonate with people, what helps them recover from collapse syndrome

[graceful crown]

She's immature like a bunch of cadets. You have not been in a cadetship? Those guys are very unserious in their downtime.

Or rather anime is rather immature

[stiff magnet]

name 1 mature person that's not Flavia or Meredith

even Mere has her chuuni arcs

[graceful crown]

Nobu and okay not lychee. Lychee is if Dante was depressed

[stiff magnet]

Nobu is a blind dork.

[graceful crown]

Maturity makes you blind...

Or rather blinds you

[weak gust]

Meredith never left hers. Possibly a side effect from her stringification — there's quite alot to suggest she got transcribed when the tech wasn't stable, just like with Flavia's sister.

[graceful crown]

Reconstructed or migrated?

Stringification is when you go 2d in game

[weak gust]

Probably back from migration

It's also called stringification IIRC

Because you literally get transcribed into the string sequence

I mean, her emotions were unusual even before the incident in the lab

[graceful crown]

The thing about anime especially now is it tends to be immature because the target demographic is (and now, also was) adolescence (the big Shonen ones are aimed at adolescent boys [eventually man children]) hence the uhhh tropes

[weak gust]

It could be an effect of the travel, not just personsl disposition

[graceful crown]

Case in point: strinova not having male characters and women no older than Flavia anymore and the use of Ai to talk to a fake woman

[weak gust]

Either way, thank you for your explanations. That makes Kanami one of the better written characters from the worldbuilding standpoint, because she acts according to their world's laws, not ours

[graceful crown]

yeah. best way to explain her non-chalance: get someone who was told to play soldier and make sure that there is no consequence, you get kanami

[stiff magnet]

Nah, she's the same.
Her personality didn't change. What PUS did was recover her and fug up with her memories.
Meredith was in Space Theory Department and after killing her, PUS put her in Weapons Testing Department. She had no idea at first that it was not "her" department. She just ... worked as told.
But because repetition allows your memory to find patterns that don't match, she gradually regained lost memories, realizing that PUS played her dirty. Then she sarted investigation and found out that she was killed.

[weak gust]

And her being one of the teo role models for Eika, who is a native Strinovan, makes it for a better character development down the line

Especially since her nonchalance and Ming's grim seriousness are in opposition, giving the whole thing balance

Mong is chuuni in her own right, just in a very different way

[stiff magnet]

Eika idealises Kanami, because kanami's songs moved her heart.

[graceful crown]

PUS to meredith
https://tenor.com/view/how-are-you-not-dead-how-are-you-alive-still-alive-not-dead-how-gif-15599937

[stiff magnet]

Ming is a fan too, what was a surprise to me xD

[weak gust]

If I understood right, Eika herself started singing because she was inspired by Kanami

[stiff magnet]

yes

[weak gust]

I mean, we never see Meredith on Earth — only a stringified version which could be incomplete, as it was literally her work that made the Human Corridor more stable

And she was stringified not only as one of the earliest pioneers, she was also transcribed as a child

Or an early teen

[stiff magnet]

Kanami had a concert in Preton when the plane crashed and she got stuck there.
Remember that Preton is basically treated like third world. So a concert of idol was BIG, especially for the kids.

[glass wing]

I always thought that she was flying on the Plane

[weak gust]

By 17, which is the age she was stuck at, she was already a researcher herself. And it could be just aggravated autism, but it could also be a result of her special circumstances — we have Yvette with similar problems, except with less complications connected to stringification

[stiff magnet]

She's one of the space theory students that the professor took with him.
Most likely the youngest one in the group, so she would be 19 as her data says.

[weak gust]

Speaking of flying

Leona mentions there aren't capability of flight for the string objects

[stiff magnet]

they had a plane

[weak gust]

And now we have those flying trucks(?) and those diamond-shaped waypoint things

Was there anything said about those?

I only known there are some of those things crashed on some maps

[stiff magnet]

can you give the quote?
I don't remember it

[weak gust]

I forgot which, exactly

[weak gust]

It was in Leona's self-reflection ofer murals

I'll try to find it

...can't open it on mobile for some reason

There's a translation of that event in the first pin on the channel

Where it says Strinovams xan fly, but objects cannot

[glass wing]

Do you want me to try and open it?

?

[weak gust]

Now that I think of it, it probably refers to flat objects

[weak gust]

Of you'd be so kind

[glass wing]

Where do I go to?

?

The Wiki?

?

[weak gust]

Jut a pinned message on this very channel

There'a a huge google doc called "sparknotes" and it has translations of old events

[sleek remnant]

A bit late, but at lot of this stuff comes down to voice direction sometimes

[glass wing]

Oh. Okay

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ASa7Q-CshHO-Y_Dr2Qk92RXn3AOjs71cLMX6O96joUQ/edit?tab=t.6g5767s6fje

[weak gust]

The Bathed in Spring in there is the one I was referring to

[glass wing]

I will open it. Right now

Okay

[glass wing]

Nice

[weak gust]

There's the third mural and Leona was musing about flight being a gift

[glass wing]

Energy/Stringification
Regarding day-night cycles - they still exist
Regarding eating - Strinovans definitely still feel hunger, so implied that eating is more of a cultural pastime and/or something to stave off the feeling of hunger as opposed to any energy needs
Regarding the ocean - Superstrings obviously cannot Stringify in water - the ocean in Strinova is comprised of some Erosion byproducts that can induce sleep if Strinovans stay inside for too long
Regarding objects - they cannot fly under normal circumstances, at least not in the traditional sense of flight (hovering still seems possible, see Mighty Meow)
Regarding currency - Dream Tokens seem to be the main form of money used, with projected buying power to be equivalent to $0.40 USD per Dream Token
Conversion sourced from a large pumpkin being 50 Dream Tokens and a typical hammer being 80 Dream Tokens
Regarding jobs - it seems implied that Agents, despite having actual jobs, get paid very little and seem to need to take odd jobs to make ends meet
Regarding animals - most animals have not adapted to Strinova - while domesticated animals/pets like cats “exist,” they’re commonly robots constructed in the likeness of cats
Animals literally cannot handle Stringification as well, resulting in greatly accelerated collapse

[weak gust]

If I understood right, the "pain of stringification" there refers to transformation into a Strinovan rather than every time one goes flat

[glass wing]

Mhm

[weak gust]

I think the part I needed is just a bit further

[glass wing]

Oh. Okay

Only Strinovans can fly - objects composed of Strings cannot. According to the history books, the early years of Strinova played host to countless “tower post stations” responsible for facilitating the transportation of goods and gold imports. Every post station would have an investigator skilled at flight stationed there. They were responsible for monitoring potential dangers and ensuring that the roads could be operated stably and continuously.

One must have a strong will and optimistic desires to be able to endure such loneliness.

Leona’s Work Notes, Entry 3: Wall
I didn’t expect to see a man when I first opened the box the mural was shipped in.

Is this supposed to be it?

?

[weak gust]

Yes, thsnk you

[glass wing]

No problem

[weak gust]

I wonder if that means that flight wasn't a thing in general or that it only referred to flattened objects

[glass wing]

Idk. Either

Anyways

Can you please help me with something?

?

[weak gust]

?

[glass wing]

I sent you some messages

[graceful crown]

first cny in global, superstrings can glide, navi ( who is not a superstring) cannot glide. this was when he was talking to michelle about how hard it is to reacha good cantage point

[weak gust]

And there's also that one thing that I can't post because I'm not allowed to post pictures for some reason

https://klbq-web-cms.strinova.com/prod/strinova_web/images/202508/ed63efea-d971-40e2-8188-2b0991c3bb6d.jpg

This prism is flying and you can see them both flying and crashed out of bounds on several maps IIRC

So there is flight in that world

So I can't understand whether it was a retcon or there is some object flattening going on in labs

[graceful crown]

object can flatten that's why mighty meow is actually folded like origami until michelles throws it

[weak gust]

I see

That solves it

On another note

High tech, cheap lives, corrupt conspiratory surveillance-heavy government. Strinova really leans heavily into cyberpunk

I guess the loss of one's self we have in both Crystallines and reincarnation, too

[graceful crown]

pre alpha strinova was more ak than genshin like now

it was more cyberpunk. dunno why they cleaned it

[weak gust]

Oh, I saw the footage. I loved the color palette

Also, the coats wete cut due to the collision. Biggest loss for honkan's character

[weak gust]

A part of it is indeed, but there's also wording. Grammar holds almost as much weight as intonation itself, though I do remember a localization goof in another game that ruined a whole character with one line thsnks to the voice direction alone

Like, theres a difference between "Surrender if you want everything to return to normal." (Literally "Surrender or the pupper gets it" kind of wording) and "How about we stop fighting? You miss normal life, right?"

It's obvious which Eika would mean

[sleek remnant]

Yeah I was going to agree the translation doesn't really hold up there

I think it's better to go off the CN voices rather than the JP ones in this case being a CN game and all

Although with Eika they all sound different

[weak gust]

If I understood right, the Japanese version was also written by the original staff, so those liberties in the translation are intentional

My point is, while English uses tge direct translation of the words, it fails to convey the meaning

As for voice direction, I wouldn't be surprised to hear English localization didn't even have one.

Like, they just sent an email with lines in an alphabet order (like Bethesda does), got a .wav file and cut it up to put into the game.

[sleek remnant]

It definitely sounds like that but they also completely redid Kokona and Audrey's lines

I miss old Audrey

[weak gust]

Meanwhile, Japanese really plays with the intonations unavailable to Chinese language itself — the "Don't get in Eika's way!" Plays on similarity in how exactly Eika mimics Kanami's tone

In case someone is reading this and doesn't encounter Chinese often, the tone is a part of a phoneme, so zhì, zhí and zhī are different syllables and you just can't use the change in your pitch to convey the emotion, you use stuff like tempo or additionsl words instead

So Chinese always sounds sonewhat flatter in vomparison

It's a very rigid language and it makes loaning words very difficult, too

Also, a lot of things we in Europe and Middle East use tone for has to be conveyed through syntax, including attitude.

Point is, the direct translation from Chinese is very difficult to do and the MTL cannot be trusted, either

[solid wharf]

❓

[dull elk]

localization is hard.

[weak gust]

Leona. Also, Kokonuts has incredible life/work balance. To strive for, even.

[weak gust]

There's that game called "deaf phone". Localization is that, very much

The worst part is that languages are only a part of social games (see Wittgenstein's lion) and good localization should fill those gaps to make it understandable

Japanese voice manages to do that IMO

[weak gust]

I actually want to see Nobunaga's dorm. Imagine him fiddling with his Eyes in one scene and getting blackout drunk in the next (lounge B).

No need for romance. Just a guy drowning in work and PTSD and a specialist from Astral Sanctuary checking in to see if he needs help.

[glass wing]

I saw in an image

Where. She was clapping. Or something like that

Who is she looking at?

?

[graceful crown]

her neighbors

[glass wing]

Nice

[stiff magnet]

PLEASE
GALA GETS DRUNK DURING WEEKDAYS

[lilac gyro]

irresponsible adult behaviour

i guess yugiri

she acts very calm minded

[mild venture]

He's also either larping on the battlefield as a Shounen protagonist or actually believes it. Still love my boi tho.

[stiff magnet]

I laughed so hard because that's actually describtion of his legendary xD

[mild venture]

i just gleamed it from his English dialogue.

DOMAIN EXPANSION
I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
FRET NOT, I WILL RETURN SOON

[glass wing]

How is Strinova art even drawn?

?

When you see an image on the Gallery

[chrome palm]

GALA IS A SLAV?!

[mild venture]

"the secret behind magic is CHEEKI BREEKI"

[weak gust]

Map Workshop flavor story says some interesting stuff:

The printer in question was composed of two parts and looked very similar to a gun attachment. After installation, the printer could deconstruct the bullets within the gun into basic strings, subsequently reassembling them into various building modules through a drawing script set by the operator. Its principle was similar to that of Superstring active Stringification, but due to requiring specific carriers and program assistance to realize, could only build and draw specific modules.

Leona proceeded to skillfully and swiftly set up her printer and use it in much the same way as her Superstring ability.

So, Leona's block printing isn't tech

She literally makes them with her ability

It probably can also be extrapolated to Meredith, as the two hold very similar abstract-shaped objects they summon out of seemiongly nowhere

Unless it just meant attaching things to each other

[solid wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/itstommylove-tommylove-tommy-stalker-stalker-shadow-of-chernobyl-gif-9348303416213118815

[stiff magnet]

How they use their abilities .... I think it's more of how their Consciousness Sequence interfaces with the String Energy Network.
Eika or flavia - Their sequences are naturally resonant with it.
The rest uses devices to probably avoid neural overload.

[sharp hamlet]

Galatea

Duh

[stiff magnet]

DRUNKARD LOVING TO MESS WITH PEOPLE

[sharp hamlet]

Shes rich so she can afford to do that

[sleek remnant]

We talking mature mentally or in age?

Mara is a hag by zoomer definition and she looks like one too

[stiff magnet]

Mara is a little insane and I love it

[sleek remnant]

Reiichi seems pretty mature overall

Although he can be a goofball and put on a mascot costume

[stiff magnet]

He's a softie and I love that about him. Clear contrast with his bro who has a stick up his.... 😂

[weak gust]

Or to get a better image of the string changes they seek.

Like, we got confirmation that Eika's fire is a reverstring process (the fire being the same is a major plot point in her story)

[weak gust]

Nobunaga is more sociable than Reiichi from his general demeanor, though

Reiichi keeps playing that brooding hero

[stiff magnet]

being sociable =/= being Scissors dad

[weak gust]

Nobunaga doesn't have to be the dad, they already have Kokonuts

He's the one to cover everyone else when the thongs go wrong, though. When he's present, at least

(He's male and thus often out of focus)

[stiff magnet]

Kokona: someone in this family has to wear pants, so it fell on me

[graceful crown]

she is the fun dad not the good dad.

remember, they canonically found her sleeping in a shopping cart

somehow

in chiyo's story

[stiff magnet]

I still don't know if she's a deputy captain under Nobunaga (story mode) or part of Flavia's special team (manhwa)

[weak gust]

Not found, she curled right there with them

[graceful crown]

which one isn't retconned?

[weak gust]

And the way she completely changes when not at work to protect herself (amd the others) from burnout is actually mature as heck. It's an essential skill and that's pretty much the point of Chiyo's story

[weak gust]

All in-game dialogue points to the former — she has interaction lines with Michele, her bio, etc.

The Manhwa is the alternate timeline in the first place

It'a not supposed to have the exact same positions of the characters IIRC

[stiff magnet]

Kokona's dorm story is all about lonelines and burnout.

[sharp hamlet]

Gra i need gala dorm

Reminds me

Id be happy with maddie dorm bc her story has gala

[stiff magnet]

Gala crumbs

[weak gust]

With het work hours, the way she copes is absolutely necessary. And she's actually helping her kouhsi learn that before ot's too late

Chiyo with her strict upbringing is the most vulnerable to that

(Kinda why no one else brought anything but snacks)

[stiff magnet]

Kokona is an angel for a reason uwu

I love how they all went into food coma when Chiyo made them a proper meal.

[weak gust]

And I love that she secretly took a single chip when no one was looking

That was prime characterization

It's also pretty good how the timeline of events perfectly shows why Kokona's fridge is mostly about the freezer

[stiff magnet]

she's a gremlin

[weak gust]

Just the shopping took half a day

And Michele's story shows her work side pretty well

[stiff magnet]

It's more that she doesn't like vegetables, and prefers meat and pizza.
So her fridge is full of frozen pizza and leftovers xD

[weak gust]

Camly, and somewhat playfully she quickly handled both disciplinary actions, the punishment and the reward, while cleaning the situation up

[weak gust]

The term "convenience meals" have "convenience" in them for a reason

[stiff magnet]

She's good at her job but outside it she's a gilrfailure xD

The first thing Navigator does upon visiting her dorm is to clean it xD

[weak gust]

Note she doesn't have the authority to award medals, so she has handled the negotiations while Michele was busy on the tournament

[weak gust]

Man, that sounds tough

[stiff magnet]

She was so proud of her, unable to hold the "angy" mode for long xDDDD

I kinda love how both Michele and Celestia are like "I hope kokona won't find out" when they do stuff behind her back

They know she's a worrywart xD

[weak gust]

And we even see Michele start repeating Kokona's habits, like putting her hands on her hips and bending the waist in Workshop story

Nobunaga is hardly as connected with how busy he is

BTW, I don't see anything wrong with his voicelines in the legendary skin. Like, come on. When you give a guy power armor, not expecting him to enjoy it is simply unfair

At least he wasn't rambling about proper uniform

[stiff magnet]

xD

[weak gust]

One more random thing about Japanese localization

Michele's speech is VERY quirky there

It's a huge mix of net and gamer slang, like the use of -shi honorific in Japan usally used only among otaku when she calls for someone to revive her

But her "I" pronoun is interesting

She calls herself "honkan", which translates to "this officer" and is (rarely) used by government officials

It shows how she views herself and how eager she is despite her habits

One can also see that in one of the stories when she over-eagerly introduced herself right in the middle of old Preton, of all places

It was Ming or Scissors one, I'm not sure which

[stiff magnet]

Yeah, she's cute.
She has a big shoes to fill, as her father is considered a hero. So she is trying her best to carry his legacy. But she's not mature enough yet, and this is why the quirky side shows xD

[sleek remnant]

Just remembered, Chiyo has unique dialogue when she defeats Reiichi. Do we have any info regarding any interaction they could have previously had or is it simply stuff Chiyo has heard

[stiff magnet]

I rarely play Chiyo, so I never heard it

[sleek remnant]

She says "Your determination isn't strong enough to take you to the end"
Pretty general statement but it only plays against Reiichi I've noticed so I was curious

[stiff magnet]

That's interesting.
She surely was filled with information about Reiichi (and other ex-pus members)
But it sounds more personal, as if she knew his true motives, which his own brother doesn't understand xD

[sleek remnant]

Taking a wild guess here, but another voice line of hers mentions inviting someone to a seminar at her (assumedly) family dojo, so maybe Reiichi used to attend classes at her family dojo or something

[stiff magnet]

That would be adorable.
It would mean that she wanted to join PUS because she admired him.

[graceful crown]

that's gotta be rough

[glass wing]

Pizza

[glass wing]

Wait

If she likes Pizza

Does that mean. That she is related to him?

?

[weak gust]

Another thing about localization

XingHui is named in Japanese using Kanji

[graceful crown]

what?

[weak gust]

So Celestia is probably an alias in the first place

Something like a title

[mild venture]

it's just a localization thing. It's the same with Kokona and Lawine

[weak gust]

Fragrans, for example, is written in katakana

Kokona is Japanese name in the first place

Just like Chiyo

So I'm not so sure

[mild venture]

look at the art on this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw7WVpLJyLw

Kokona's OG CN name is Xinxia

Lawine by her chinese characters is pronounced like Ravi/Rabi (i don't know Chinese). They probably intended Lawine's at least to sound Japanese and then gave her a german name in localization that got close

with it already being anime in a world now culturally dominated by said anime, giving characters Japanese names IS localization

[dull elk]

拉薇 (lā wēi) is pronounced more like “la way.”

[graceful crown]

celestia is the closest localisation to xing hui @dull elk ?

[mild venture]

oh I see, i had looked at the english output on Papago

silly me

[dull elk]

It’s the closest localization that makes sense as an easy-to-remember and say name.

Because direct translation of 星绘 (xīng huì) is “star map.” (if you wanted to be technical, her old translated name of Astierred - old English for “adorned with stars” - is technically more accurate but doesn’t work as well as a modern name).

[sharp hamlet]

Exactly

[glass wing]

They both like Pizza

[graceful crown]

who?

[glass wing]

Let me check

Idk if it means anything. Though

And maybe. It is just a coincidence

[graceful crown]

have you heard of the papa john's index?

[dull elk]

Clarification: the Papa John's Index is this, right?

[glass wing]

Nope

Sorry

[graceful crown]

yes

[graceful crown]

people like pizzas

[glass wing]

Yeah

I get that

So are you just trying to say. That they both like Pizza?

[graceful crown]

liking pizza narrows down relations as much as a wedge

[glass wing]

Oh. Okay

[weak gust]

You are forgetting Chinese is completely unable to use foreign words, including names. That's why correlating different localizations is important to establish the authors' original intent - some names are supposed to be Chinese, some have to be Chinese in Chinese version because Chinese language just doesn't allow for anything else. Like, Aika is a Japanese name, but it's also written in katakana and is transformed into Eika in English.

Celestia, however, is translated in all languages, which is interesting by itself

The common practice (as in, overwhelmingly common) for names to be "borrowed" into Chinese is to take similar-sounding hanzi with beautiful meaning and use them as a replacement. Japanese and Korean names can also be transliterated from the way they're written as they already use hanzi.

心夏 is read XinXia in Chinese and Kokona(FIrst kanji has kunyomi of kokoro, second is natsu and names have a bit different reading to usual compound words that use onyomi) in Japanese. The English used Japanese reading.

Yes, the Chinese is the original. That doesn't, however mean, that the name are supposed to be the Chinese names because they cannot be written any differently in that language.

[pastel sluice]

celestia's jp name is still just a first name right? there's a voiceline from michele on the wiki where it sounds more like a full name (hoshi rie) instead of a single given name

[dull elk]

Names are first names for the most part, since we do have a few characters with known last names (Michele Lee, the Leary sisters, Audrey Grove).

[pastel sluice]

is bai mo full name?

[weak gust]

Yes

And we even see the reason he uses his full name in the Urbino story — he is very proud of being the master of Bai family

I personally suspect his street artist hip-hop persona is his version of "how do you do, fellow kids". His legendary skin shows he is looking for attention, and his skin in the depot shows him try and nominate for mayor with utterly insane populistic promises that only a filthy rich guy with no understanding of commoners can make

[stiff magnet]

Bai is family name, Mo is his name.

mister "white ink" xD

[glass wing]

Wow

Anyways

I have a problem. Which I will ask someone later

Frick

[junior plank]

Guys, I forgot the complete lore. could anybody explain me it short, I can't find anything well online

😢

[hard falcon]

So... what's the right way to understand Strinova's lore? Is it based on theories or is there official information? A story mode would be great... don't you think?

[golden forge]

Everywhere but global lol

I normally use the wiki

[hard falcon]

I think Strinova has great potential for a story mode, but I think it's unlikely they'll actually do it...

[blazing pewter]

If you go play the chinese server they got 3ish seasons worth of stories, or its also on the wiki

[golden forge]

If they invest in lore, the game wouldn't have a 80% creepy playerbase

[graceful crown]

Most of it retconned

[graceful crown]

They tried, they misstepped (in CN's eyes) and now they are stuck in limbo because employees kept leaving

The retconned 3 seasons worth of lore

For funny and annoying reasons

Best way to describe is, investing on the lore won't remove the 80% rather, the 80% got the lore changed (in CN and it also changed the trajectory of the game. It's more that the vibes, style, and the anime/gacha community itself that caused it)

[graceful crown]

not sure what we can glean for lore unless there's an event with it

[stiff heath]

damn it I sent that to the wrong channel 💀

got a server with friends with a similar channel name where we post upcoming strinover stuff

[hard falcon]

Noted! I'll have to take a look at that.

[hard falcon]

[graceful crown]

they retconned 3 seasons worth of lore

i'd say it was the 80% that caused it

the 80% will always be there given how the anime communnity is

[hard falcon]

I find what you're saying interesting because of the change in the game's development direction... I feel like the game is slowly losing popularity, and I think they should do something about it quickly. The updates they've made lately are good... but I feel like something's missing...

[graceful crown]

it's more popular in CN, the real money maker hence the huge amount of skins and focus on cutesy shit

[sleek remnant]

It's fine in china, but is dying in global because the devs have no real focus

[graceful crown]

they are doing it because CN liked it

actually the playerbase of glb is so different from cn

lemme look for that qna translation but basically, cn is more casual and waifu oriented while glb is more competitive and do not buy much

they are doubling down on cn

that's why no more snipers or male characters

especially after the julian incident

[sleek remnant]

They really missed the mark for the competitive market imo, but I don't know if china is even that big into fps esports

Just league esports

[graceful crown]

tyloo says hi and they are not the only ones. just the ones with the most aura thanks to Jee and EmiliaQAQ

they are big

but given the aesthetics, it's not conducive

[sleek remnant]

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but i think if they kept the original designs/artstyle from the early previews I think it would have hit its initial market better

Strinova is in a weird sport where it wanted to be a tactical shooter but leaned too heavily into waifuism

So the wrong crowd got interested

[graceful crown]

actually but the problem is the designs are not great for a tacshooter

[graceful crown]

rather they did it from cn feedback most likely

[sleek remnant]

Yeah, again just more CN vs global

[graceful crown]

do not remind me of the BA players and "That" graph

where is it

the one with the piechart of banned terms

[sleek remnant]

BA just has a pretty hostile community

[graceful crown]

and the different <somebody's bodypart> and xlicker

[graceful crown]

i prefer the term insular. i used to be in the fringes, while a buddy of mine is a splinter group of sorts

[sleek remnant]

Although a lot of the wider internet is also hostile to BA as a concept

I do like BA but they gatekeep themselves and get gatekept very hard

Anyway this is strinova chat, not ba chat

[graceful crown]

i don't like ba because of the gameplay, goobers, and the lack of irony some of them have

[graceful crown]

bruh, you know how BA coded the people in EN-1 was

[sleek remnant]

I will say, BA gameplay sucks imo but the writing and music carried it for me

[graceful crown]

music and writing is also why my friend in their splinter group stayed. they are like that port in edo period japan

the one open to foreigners

but we are getting far from lore

maybe we continue this to general?

[sleek remnant]

Nah i said my piece for now, back to wallowing in strinova regrets

Had a thought about writing a short story actually, do we have a thread for that?

[graceful crown]

#1368973926910267483

forgot the s

[glass wing]

This is so stupid

[graceful crown]

tf?

[glass wing]

Idk. What just happened

[weak gust]

When the "wrong crowd" is the core audience both factual and intended, it isn't the wrong crowd.

And the alpha literally used Girls Frontline and other gacha characters as placeholders, so one can't reasonably claim it wasn't the original intent.

[sleek remnant]

Fair enough

[weak gust]

Also, the reason BA community gatekeeps so hard is because they would be gatekept from their own community orherwise, just as they're gatekept from everywhere else.

It's an immune response from enshittification. Even Warhsmmer already lost specifically because of the lack of proper gatekeepinf and getting eventually gatekept by the corporates seeking "wider audience".

(It is relevant to the lore discussion because lore in general gets corrupted through this exact process)

On another note

Has anyone here ever played Perimeter: The Geometry of War?

The exact nature of the worlds are quite different, but the factions and the... Other details are noticeably similar, including the term "Corridor"

[bronze marten]

There is always a moderate need to gatekeep. Not fully, but to an extent. However, it is also business for devs and pubs, so it's not easy balancing

[graceful crown]

Somewhat agree. I am recently part of a community where we both welcome and gate keep newcomers at the same time because

1. They are unaware of the culture
2. Their ignorance to what the soul of the game is makes them problematic
3. The game itself is hard to get into so they need to be drilled

4. For a good game, they need to be "absorbed" for cohesion.

5. We have to let those incompatible with the game leave with an understanding at least

It's getting more important since the population recently doubled

[chrome palm]

Hmm?

[glass wing]

Hey

[hard falcon]

Mmmm, this is true...

[hard falcon]

It's a shame there haven't been any major developments regarding Strinova. It actually struck me as funny, yet true, that there aren't more male characters, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it is curious.

Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see what happens over time; maybe there will be surprises... or maybe not.

I thought Strinova was a brilliant concept, with a lot of potential, the first time I saw it.

Perhaps that's what I really meant.

[urban wadi]

Who is the purple hair character on new strinova opening screeen

[chrome palm]

Yeah, it's a story of great concepts and big ideas
But what I also take from it is a story of mismanagement, a story of what happens when you misunderstand your own customers, and when you underestimate the importance of product design and of testing

[blazing pewter]

Whos purple, I see pink, yellow/beige, and cyan, unless I'm not looking at the same image as you

[glass wing]

Wait

I think. Ik who it is

[graceful crown]

vas?

[graceful crown]

nono, they knew their playerbase. they just did not understand glb well.

or rather underestimated how glb spends

[chrome palm]

That's what I'm saying, they misunderstood glb customers

[sleek remnant]

Their global playerbase is too different from the CN one, they can't afford to cater to both

[bronze marten]

clearly glb customers are not that important

justified, who brings more money need to be focused on, it's business afterall

[weak gust]

Is the playerbase so different though? When you look at the global chat you see all kinds of stuff

[sleek remnant]

Vocal minority etc etc

[urban wadi]

This

Sure her hair is pink, whatever i forgot the word for color pink at that moment

[solid wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-zi-o-tsukasa-kadoya-kamen-rider-decade-decade-masahiro-inoue-gif-20346955

[weak gust]

Frankly, this "minority" is the core audience and the whole point of whale economy is not the size

So it doesn't fly at all even if it is true

[weak gust]

That's most likely Fuchsia even though she holds stars like Celestia usually does

[urban wadi]

Idk she doesnt look like either of them

Though she does have short hair so more likely fuchsia

[dark garnet]

https://x.com/CalabiyauLeaks/status/1992211519715856764?t=Pnuo6g6xZIHM6vVFTm7mRg&s=19

Strinova Leaks/News (@CalabiyauLeaks)

(CN, Global)
A preview of Lilith, the Outbreak Crystalline that is soon to come out.
She will first be playable on the Calabiyau Test Server starting early December.

X · Nov 22, 2025, 12:40 PM

She awakens something inside me

[weak gust]

I think it's Fuchsia because silhouettes are important for readability and hairstyles are a large part of it. Usually only the legendary skins get to change them drastically

[graceful crown]

i laugh at that because fuschia from too far can look like fragrans. silhoutte may be slightly difference but the colors are too similar especially when it's just a mess of pixels on a 1080p monitor

[weak gust]

A fair point

[bronze marten]

that's deffo Fuchsia

[sleek remnant]

The thing that throws me off is her eye colour is completely different from either character

I know that's something that can be changed but jey

She looks too stoic to be fragrans to me tho imo

[weak gust]

Fragrans is already standing right near on the same pic

[sleek remnant]

I think I may have misread something in here, too tired

[glass wing]

Is katie. Alive?

?

[tepid helm]

Dw, I would as well

[graceful crown]

who tf is that?

[polar relic]

is she only playable in outbreak or also other modes?

[graceful crown]

She ain't even out yet so we don't know. I know the devs did release her gameplay on CN streams in bribri

[tepid helm]

Outbreak as crystalline

[polar relic]

oo okie

[polar relic]

aw

[glass wing]

I saw her on the Wiki

Let me see

I swear. That I saw someone named katie

I found it