📖lore-chat

[humble ledge]

I don't know, but the story seems clear to me from the beginning; I feel there isn't much mystery.

I cannot suspect anyone

I don't know who the villain is; everyone seems nice, even Aunt Han's sister.

[proud yew]

They say our "dad" is a villain

[humble ledge]

If I hadn't known the ending of the story, I would have doubted the uncle.

[humble ledge]

But this too

[iron canyon]

this guy became insane after knowing the truth of humanity, initially his researches on poison (or rather dawn to dusk flowers) wasn't meant to be harmful, as he thought a cure can be found through these, yet after he started to hear about immortality + how he saw through human nature, he practically became obsessed with the idea more than anything

[fathom haven]

4

[iron canyon]

thats so true and to be fair, master moonstream destroyed his first lab, but that time he hadn't completely defect. sn was also on the verge of collapsing when master moonstream passed, it was sun yuan who came back to take over the sect and set the rules one life, one price, not for money but to protect the doctors

[iron canyon]

excluding some of the totally unsavable ones Tbh, everyone was neither black nor white, even the villians once had their time where they thought everything is okay till something happens that became the trigger, some just falls into darkness, some dove into their obession, while some are redempting themselves, that's the charm of the characters imo

[scarlet yarrow]

Man i remember how mc beat the sht out of murong yuan like he/she got ptsd induced killing intent

[tiny mica]

What

Oh that’s her name

[opaque rune]

@humble ledge If you are tired of being the "good guy": the reason Blisful Retreat was burned down is neither Han A-Yi nor anyone else but you as the mc. We were spoted by Li Zuo at the Generals Shrine during the competition and Qingye was send after us. So all the dead? Your fault. There. No longer good guy XD

[proud yew]

Whaaaa

[opaque rune]

Almost everyone forgets the Gu (the insect with the glowy as') leaving the Well of Heaven boy's eye after we knock him out ^^ That's one of Li Zuo's little playthings which we already encountered earlier. So yeah. We are the reason Blissful Retreat was burned down and Ruby died in the first place.

Qingye only found out about Han A-Yi when she arrived already

[proud yew]

No wonder...

[opaque rune]

And now that I am reminded how close we come to Big Zhao: we will prolly see him die too XD

[proud yew]

I forgot that part actually

And the guy who was with the Uncle at the prologue, what was his story?

[opaque rune]

We were forbidden to leave for one and a half decade. Simply exactly because we were hidden. When we went out like that? Yeah that was stupid.

Chen Zixi? He is our uncles Zhiji

[proud yew]

Unc disappeared, his fault tbh

[opaque rune]

He has a job to do ^^

Not the least avenge his adopted dad

[proud yew]

Idek if he still alive or what

[opaque rune]

Pretty sure he is

[proud yew]

That the one in white outfit during the intro yes?

[opaque rune]

I only believe someone is dead when i saw their body

[proud yew]

Same, so my lil heart believes ruby is alive

[opaque rune]

Chen Zixi is the one in green with Jiang Wulang. White Hair and I think white robe is Li Zuo

[proud yew]

Especially with the crucial hint that she has revive power

[opaque rune]

I don't even fully believe Chu is dead. It was too convinient for him suddenly, while being bound by ropes to Yi Dao, ending up in the river

[wicked prawn]

bruuuuuuh okay yeah that makes sense now since the buddha flower followers are trying to quash the rebellion

[proud yew]

Hmm true

But one thing we confirmed dead is yi dao righy

And poor guy did not even want to fight in the first place

[opaque rune]

Yeah that one is gone. Also: creep. Forging his sword with the ashes of his brother and feeding it his own blood

Thats how you make demonic weapons pout

[proud yew]

Whaaa

[opaque rune]

And he ALWAYS wants to fight. It's Yi Dao. His whole life mantra was "fight"

[proud yew]

Yi daos??

[proud yew]

But he wanted to escape during the attack in blissful retreat right?

[opaque rune]

Did I just read through the whole Biography section ingame? Yub. Yub I did ^^

[opaque rune]

He wanted US to go the fork away. His job, just as of everyone else, was to protect us

[proud yew]

Ohhh

[opaque rune]

His hobby was stalking disciples of different martial arts schools, watch them, learn how to counter their styles and then go and fight them in death matches ^^

[woven sigil]

he did it all for Chu Qingquan's last wish

[opaque rune]

Oh but he did not finish even one of his wishes

[proud yew]

I think he taught us how to steal one right

[opaque rune]

1. was to go there and find the truth about Jiang Wulang (failed). 2. was that it was secret bigger than all of them and third was to say goodbye to Han A-Yi. Only the last one he actually managed to finish up

So ok he finished one. to Tell Han that Chu is dead, grats ^^

So much good wine got dumped into the river for that

[woven sigil]

well 1 and 2 are both arguably about us

[proud yew]

So yi dao was actually just as clueless

[opaque rune]

Everything is about us but the secret is still a secret ^^

[proud yew]

As us

[proud yew]

Hmm

So who is our mother?

[opaque rune]

We still do not know neither parents in CN

But IF Li Zuo is dad, Qingyi is mom

That one is emotionally either dead or Lone Cloud, there is no in-between

[proud yew]

[woven sigil]

can't be Qingyi cause we're told she died over 25 years ago

[opaque rune]

Bull, she died 3 years ago

Wait no, thsi also bull

But she did not die 25 years ago

[woven sigil]

in her entry Li Zuo visits her grave in 9 Baoda (951) and realizes it's been more than 15 years since she died

[proud yew]

Hmmm interesting

[opaque rune]

Hmmmm googled how old Li Zuo is. Am confused now

[proud yew]

Inst li zuo immortal by now?

[woven sigil]

yeah he's 70

[proud yew]

Read that somewhere

[opaque rune]

Li Zuo was born 892... Which year do we have now?

[woven sigil]

his IRL death was 908 which is when Qingyi got poisoned in his place here

962-963

[opaque rune]

Ok I might have underestimaed how much NOT wuxia we are XD

Immortal BBEG it is

On the other hand... We have 2 people with divine manifestations running around... I should not be surprised but i am

In that case chances we are his are close to 0 cause his mantra is "no mortal bonds"

[proud yew]

Juat realized u have lotm, u also read that?

[opaque rune]

Yes I did ^^ My guild is a fandom guidl too XD

[proud yew]

I like the novel tbh

But not a fan of the animation, a bit rushed i think?

[opaque rune]

scratches the he dad version and focuses on "we are calamity" one

[proud yew]

So he just stalking us huh

[opaque rune]

That he is basically out focuses my thoughts more on the calamity thing. Would make sense for him not wanting is around if we have so much influence

[feral wave]

@opaque rune @proud yew is there any hexi lore on yt

[opaque rune]

probably but to be fair I did not look up Hexi before it comes XD

do not want to spoiler myself

[proud yew]

I only saw a brief video on hexi

[opaque rune]

Hexi is in a way telling us the stories of times gone by

But that's all that i know

[proud yew]

What i know is that hexi connects china and tibet

[woven sigil]

if you read the sect lore of Raging Tides founders it hints at it, the Anxi forces traveling a thousand miles to bring the fallen soldiers home with only nine surviving

[proud yew]

Had no idea thats a hint

And was referring to hexi

[opaque rune]

one of our mystic skills is too

Would need to look up which but we have one that summons an army and this is also a reference to hexi

Just like the Umbrella Skills are referenced to Southern Tang or spicifically Li Yu

@woven sigil Did you watch the Imperial palace Trailer with green clad young man? Do you know who that is by any chance?

[clever depot]

Honestly, the only players still calling this a wuxia game are the ones who have no clue what that actually means — and probably haven’t consumed any related media either.

It should be pretty obvious to anyone familiar with the genre that this game started out intending to be full wuxia — Qinghe alone reflects that. But somewhere along the way, it shifted into something more historically grounded, with just sprinkles of wuxia, xianxia, and other elements thrown in.

[proud yew]

Is that already in cn?

[opaque rune]

yes

[proud yew]

Ill have too look it up, summoning an army sounds cool

[opaque rune]

Tian Ying was Xianxia all the way, then ghost came in, God of Avarice, Shimmer illusionary realms and on we go

[charred creek]

the new moblade skill summons soldiers to fight if that's what you're talking about

[opaque rune]

It can be, Ghostly Army or something?

[charred creek]

we don't have the official translation yet, only released in cn

[woven sigil]

no idea

the fiendish Medium Zhao

[opaque rune]

Watched the trailer again, must laugh reading how they say they did not understand what they were saying. I used deepl and it actually made sense to me XD

Am still looking for someone who can tell me who the snake/dragon pretty boy is

[humble ledge]

It was just one village, nothing special; the villain would turn the whole world to ashes for our sake, not just a small, poor village.

[opaque rune]

And we are in Kaifeng so maybe we should not go visit Shimmer in Jiangnan XD Just to be sure it remains standing ^^

[humble ledge]

We're talking about an area on the game map that's not well-known on any of the maps yet to be revealed. News won't be relayed, and no one will remember those events.

No one will mention the people who died except us because, guess what, no one is afraid of us.

[opaque rune]

Hi I'm no one I guess? XD There are supposed to be 10 maps and we will pretty sure go to Jiangnan at some point

[safe elk]

I read that the Hexi storyline involves the MC traveling to the past, and that it includes smaller, standalone stories that aren’t directly connected to the main storyline in Qinghe and Kaifeng. The theme seems to focus more on the struggles and desires of the people in the Hexi region to return to the Tang dynasty after the An Lushan Rebellion made the land fell apart. They were cut off from their homeland, so the theme appears to center on an identity crisis questioning where their true roots belong.
Is that accurate?

Personally, I was expecting more development in the main story within the current timeline, since Kaifeng’s left many plot holes unfinished. Like after the Gambit beneath the shimmer quest, a Jiangnan update could be interesting, or perhaps the Imperial palace update first to complete Kaifeng further since its story already filled with political factions and sect rivalries.

It would feel more natural to continue expanding forward. Qinghe feels like your childhood, Kaifeng is your first real taste of Jianghu, so the next storyupdate could be conflict between Jianghu sects or another sect's base.....Like how Game of thrones or LOTR gradually broaden their story.

[opaque rune]

Sounds not as far away from the Imperial Palace chapter in which we seem (trailer based) to end up in a dream realm conjured by a... dragon descendant?

[proud yew]

Awww i expected more tbh

[humble ledge]

In any case, in every scenario there is a villain and a hero.

[mystic idol]

Not sure if this should be spoiler’d, but you’re correct in that understanding. That being said you can also view it as an introspective view of MC’s own turmoils and self-conflict, since a lot of the same themes of identity, loss of home, fixation on revenge, etc apply to the MC as well.

[humble ledge]

[proud yew]

Yh accept the fact we r villains

[opaque rune]

Is there? Because who exactly is the villain? maybe Li Zuo, but only maybe

[vague shoal]

Imperial palace is after hexi iirc

[proud yew]

For the people of blissful retreat, we brought ruins to them

[mystic idol]

but in every scenario a villain and a hero depend mostly on what perspective you side with

[safe elk]

Oh, so it's like experience new stories then. I think it's fine.

[opaque rune]

Maybe except Li Zuo's "lets make everyone sleeping puppets and I do the Emperor thing" XD

[mystic idol]

theres very little black and white villains and heroes in wwm, except du chongwei

[proud yew]

Sun buqi is also outright villain

[mystic idol]

even li zuo has a somewhat cohesive reason — albeit his means are too extreme

[iron canyon]

||Hexi also offers a lot of info of the past, so it's not essentially a bad thing either, even through looking back at the past ym could gain different perspectives and development the storylines are good ||

[iron canyon]

||if that guy is a campaign boss, imagine how many players would be beating him up everyday-||

[opaque rune]

Oh every "villain" has a reason. But you CAN overdo it, like our immortal loverboy

[humble ledge]

What if the uncle is the hero, but the people he's saving us from are villains? Or what if the uncle is the villain and the one who kidnapped us? Or what if the child he's holding is the son of his beloved, whose mother and father have died?

[opaque rune]

"The word "hero" is written in blood" is quite a known saying. WWM does not have "real" heroes

[mystic idol]

|| they need to so i can beat him up as often as i do void king frfr ||

[opaque rune]

Jianghu does not allow you to be a "real" hero. Zheng E tried. We all know where THAT ended

Yulan, too. Same issue

[humble ledge]

So there are no heroes. What kind of book, story, or script is this? How was it made?

[iron canyon]

it's actually depending how they handle whatever the world had thrown over them some were lucky to have other helping them up, some were overly persistent, in their mind, that's not overdoing, that's just wat they do that they think it's right and okay

[proud yew]

Ruby would have been one

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[opaque rune]

Ruby would have learned and ended the same way as we did

[woven sigil]

but what if, Dark Lord Ruby

[proud yew]

Nuuu

[mystic idol]

yeah i agree. This is basically same view I have haha

[iron canyon]

||the more i read & watch the lore, the more bad stuff this guy has accumulateddont hide||

[humble ledge]

It's like a movie titled "Let's Go for Tea in the Park," and then the movie ends.

[iron canyon]

oops, i think i replied to the wrong message, i wanted to reply to malfleur😆

[opaque rune]

Fun fact: Yingying is as bad she was just saved by Granny Turtle

[mystic idol]

np i figured and still agree

hence why li zuo not as bad as du chongwei imo 😂

[opaque rune]

Before or after using Gu to spy and control people? ^^

[iron canyon]

yep, I agree, her motives were extreme in terms of proving herself to climb to the top, but that principle she clung to also hit her back like a boomerang where she learned her lesson

[opaque rune]

Remember HOW LONG it took her. Like... She was the one behind the whole Kaifeng situation and just "saved it" in the last second

At least she did, but still. Wow

[celest flume]

Joining my void king as usual

[mystic idol]

After too, imo you have to look at their motives and goals too

[iron canyon]

||iirc, his ideas started becoming more twisted after liuqingyi died and probably worse after wang qing died(? haven't been looking into lizhuo too much yet ||

[opaque rune]

At what point is taking the free will of others because you want to sit on the throne of a country of walking dead ok?

The blood purity argument is bull and really he could have just askes Li Yu. Shimmer would fork off instantly. He doesn't even want to be there.

[mystic idol]

|| well essentially it was that he figured since everyone would be theoretically immortal, there would be no more needless conflict. Wang Qing’s loss was essentially him trying to convince (and inevitably push) Wang Qing to try things his way, which Wang Qing refused to do thus leading to his death ||

[celest flume]

His yaoi died 😭

[iron canyon]

Weren't the tang coin scheme were to force the song court to open up the treasury after all? She was an illegitimate daughter, and if anything, she knows how the folks are doing especially after granny turtle saved her part of it would be retaking her position, yes, but her cousin did dirty tricks to snatch it from her

[mystic idol]

Do you prefer at least someone who started with a noble goal and became twisted/lost, or do you prefer a general who sold out his entire country and led to the downfall of the dynasty to protect his own head?

Du chongwei emptied the army reserves of all supplies and sold it in the black market to pocket money for himself, refused to send in any reinforcements of his 200,000 men vs 100,000 khitans when wang qing charged in with 2,000 in zhongdu bridge

[opaque rune]

But her plan was to drive the people and the court away from each other, make people suffer so she can buy cheap and sell expensive later. Changing her mind only in the last moment.

[woven sigil]

before the Tang coin scheme, she was the one spreading false rumors of a sack when Zhao came to claim the throne

[opaque rune]

I preffer neither, thanks I take Shimmer ^^

[mystic idol]

The discussion was who was worse

[opaque rune]

Actually no?

I did not put a wager on who is worse I just said that from my POV there is no excuse for what Li Zuo is doing

[mystic idol]

my original comment you replied to mentioned that I considered Li Zuo better than Du Chongwei

[woven sigil]

then Granny Turtle freaked out because the real Yingying died in the previous sack by Guo Wei, and Wuque had to go with the refugees and saw how many people her rumors had hurt

[opaque rune]

And I asked at what point what Li Zuo does is ok, not if it was better or worse than betrayal XD

[mystic idol]

okay, but that has nothing to do with my comment then

[celest flume]

Li zuo has yaoi
Ofc he better

[iron canyon]

what is the sack precisely bc i don't recall this detail i might have missed it

[celest flume]

His yaoi died tho

[mystic idol]

I wouldnt approve of Li Zuo’s actions, but I can understand it to some degree better than Du Chongwei’s as well

[opaque rune]

Ok what am I missing? Since when is having a girlfriend yaoi?

[celest flume]

Yaoi w Wang Qing

[opaque rune]

o.0

It's 6:50am where I am, maybe I lost something on the way but no?

[celest flume]

If it werent for qingyi's existence
Wang Qing and Li Zuo would've been another doomed yaoi we get

[opaque rune]

Li Zuo and Qingyi are good as they are. Wang Qing had Jiang Yuan

[iron canyon]

it's a popular ship but anyways lizhuo's lover was liu qingyi, the 3 know each other

[woven sigil]

when Guo Wei overthrew the Han to start the Zhou, he brought his armies and took Kaifeng by force, that's the same winter where the Zhengs got massacred after the Han soldiers turned bandit

when Zhao did his own coup he wanted it to be peaceful since he was only doing it for the good of the nation (after Chai Rong died they had a 7-year-old emperor)

[opaque rune]

it's same level of creepy as Xichen and Jiang Cheng -.- Like.... Nooooo.

[woven sigil]

but Wuque caused a panic by spreading rumors Zhao would sack the city again, planning to get rich buying up all the property people abandoned when they fled the city

then she saw the damage she was doing firsthand and it broke her ambitions

[opaque rune]

luckily nods

[iron canyon]

I saw the part now, that was her first attempt to regain her status and let granny turtle have a good life tho this story has some similarities with zhao er's case, but instead of the huge causalities like wuque's plan, zhao er was lucky that he had big zhao observing everything unfold, and with the small price of delaying the southern campaign, letting him see how his scheme would unfold through the tang coin scheme. The tang coin scheme is an improved version of her first attempt Thank you for enlightening me, I really missed out this part of her.

[proud yew]

Devs love to give us pain, so i hate flashbacks

[dire pawn]

22

[royal plover]

Did she change her mind after meet ym, or before it, or after hero assembly?

Btw does yingying didnt know big zhao is emperor?

[iron canyon]

She knows even before zhaokuangyin became the emperor, and she knows his style of ruling + the panic & uncertainty of kaifeng's residents towards a new ruler, she took advantage to spread the rumours of massacre. That time she hasn't fully realised what her principles would really cause, she toned down, but it wasn't enough. Before seeing granny turtle's (who was a victim) reaction towards the massacre, she didn't know how her plan indirectly caused granny to be one of her pawns. Her initial thought was that by doing this, she can repay granny's kindness + potentially reclaim her position in weiyang.

It was after the ordeal she only realized the bloody reality of the term "merchant's treasury", and how her profit-driven commerce life had been a litany of sins. Through time living & earning as a common folk, her view towards profit & commerce changed, it could aid people instead of exploiting/hurt ppl.

[foggy herald]

Hmmm

[fervent oxide]

Ignore me I’m here for feathers

[rapid sapphire]

[honest rain]

It was way before YM's arrival! The rumors she started were about big Zhao turning Kaifeng into bloodbath when he takes the throne. It was about 2y ago, if we go by irl dates. Wen Wuque started rumors, wanting to buy up from panicking people selling everything for low and then sell high when they return to Kaifeng. Unfortunately, one of panicking people turned out to be Granny Turtle (Wuque got emotionally attached to her). Wen Wuque saw the damage she was causing to granny and decided to go back on her plan

[honest rain]

Big Zhao's disguise heavily relies on the fact that ppl don't see the emperor often! He is supposed to live in Imperial palace and be busy, and always have escort of guards when he steps out. Basically, a lot of 'emperor'-identifying traits are outside traits – his clothes, his escort, mb his carriage etc. People largely don't know his face, especially in more poor locations, and they don't even entertain the idea that it might be him – where's this guy in some rugs, that looks like any other uncle on this street, and where's the emperor.

We can see people who know Zhao Kuangyin immediately crack his disguise, but Wen Wuque is merely a merchant. She is not high enough in society to gave seen the emperor. No matter how flashy Ember of East act was, in hierarchical society she is still way outside of "meeting with the emperor" league

[near bloom]

[scarlet topaz]

what gets you a high enough status to meet the emperor? 🤔

[honest rain]

Noble lineage or high official position, or marrying into the palace🤔
Methink if Wen Wuque was a legit diplomat from Weiyang instead of a merchant, she'd have good chances for a meeting (if there was a good reason, otherwise we saw Zhao Er handle the diplomats). On a sonewhat regular basis, it's mostly local high-standing political actors

[scarlet topaz]

oh wow so status is everything! so is it weird the mc befriended the emperor??? xD

[honest rain]

It is extra weird for a nobody-16yo wanderer from other country to be so budy-budy with emperor, prefect, master of grain, heavenfall ruling family.....

YM really came to Kaifeng and hit it off with every important person they saw

[scarlet topaz]

that protagonist aura lol

and the YM probably doesn't think much of it lol

they're a wanderer after all.

(also all their family drama lol)

[honest rain]

Tbf, his parents' reputation saves him a lot and opens a lot of doors (I doubt big Zhao would've interfered if he didn't recognize uncle jiang's style), same for NMW – Xue Chou lets YM get away with a lot for being Han's kid

[scarlet topaz]

i feel like a lot of this story can be summed up as "YM thinks they're on their protagonist journey, but everyone is helping them in the shadows" xD the training wheels haven't come off yet

[honest rain]

It only adds to YM's charm😂 I'm sure Zhao brothers appreciate that this guy just treats them as ppl (also, we as players know Big Zhao is the emperor, but I don't think YM knows it yet. He hasn't seen the cutscene, and Big Zhao keeps low profile otherwise)

[scarlet topaz]

celebrity family members basically lol tho no one really tells the YM xD "yeah we're helping you because your aunt or uncle"

[scarlet topaz]

"what do you MEAN the silly old man is actually the emperor???"

[honest rain]

Training wheels😭

[honest rain]

Yeah, that's probably going to happen in Ch4

[scarlet topaz]

that will be a fun reaction lol

watch we storm the palace but like, it's fine and we won't get executed because the emperor is our friend lol

[honest rain]

YM just figured out that Jin Zhongyuan is ||the same prefect Zhao that scared him in Revelry Hall||, give the boy|girl some time

[scarlet topaz]

probably told the guards not to murder us lol

"look, go easy on them, they're not a threat, they're just a kid"

[honest rain]

He probably had to say this a lot, lol, I'm sure prefect Zhao was this close to ordering some god-awful punishment for YM trespassing to Heroes Assembly, before brother let him know who this kid is

[scarlet topaz]

which i bet the bosses in that area will also go easy on us LOL

"gotta make it seem legit, but pull our punches"

[honest rain]

In Imperial palace? Who knows, most of Kaifeng bosses are neutral-to-opposed towards court, so who knows how the things are inside the palace

[scarlet topaz]

idk we don't know much about it. but i figure we'll get the run of the place because we know the emperor lol

it sucks we may not catch up to the CN version by the time it releases tho :(

i'll avoid all spoilers tho

[honest rain]

With the pace of release, we'll likely catch up in 1~1,5y

[scarlet topaz]

5 years?!

wait, how am i suppsoed to read that? 😅

1 year or 1 1/2?

[honest rain]

One and a half😭

[scarlet topaz]

oooh lol

[honest rain]

1,5 and 1.5 are just the same in my head

[scarlet topaz]

i never seen a 5 used for half of a year lol

[honest rain]

I've got STEM virus in my head making me use 1.5 for any "one and a half"

[iron canyon]

Yes and no, because of Uncle Jiang, even big zhao pays respect towards the man, he recognized the sword style and knew who we are

[honest rain]

Also, I don't think YM knows who his friend is yet😅

[iron canyon]

the fact that ym literally made their way in front of the imperial members, even though it's not shown towards the players, i'm sure ym already knows about them (in a wandering tale, you can actually get two jade pendants, which belonged to the zhao brothers)

[honest rain]

Oh, I only found zgy's pendant so far, I'll have to go looking for the zky's

[iron canyon]

Cn will be updating continuously, just like us. It takes time for the devs to sort out things and make suitable released and updates for global through the feedback from CN + localization, the rate and sequence of content we're getting have slight differences if compared to CN

[iron canyon]

The two jade pendants are different ones, it's from the ominous yin-yang wandering tale

[crimson birch]

YM casually befriending big shots and treating them like usual. def gonna be a breath of fresh air for his friends

[honest rain]

And only he got the audacity to fight his way through Imperial guard at Ever-Normal Granary or sneak around the warship😂

Sometimes all it takes ti bring local politics back to the ground is a 16yo with a sword and the audacity

[iron canyon]

We got our approval from "Shen Yi Lun" himself, and detailed guidance + transport service from general murong yuan herself, we have the green card😆

[crimson birch]

sometimes it's the action people are most afraid to do
a green sprout 16 year old is the most energetic to do action so it's a perfect match

[honest rain]

Not to mention "go steal it so we can pretend it's not our fault" from the prefect himself😂

In Heavenfall, YM just showed up😅

[iron canyon]

plus we are not tied to any parties, and has the iykyk status from our aunt and uncle😆 we're the perfect choice for them

[crimson birch]

the neutral not associatied with other political parties will do anything just for the sake of it YM is the best candidate for them

[honest rain]

YM is a bit court-leaning in some quests, but they usually figure out their biases by the end of it

[iron canyon]

I'm sure boatman had contact with aunt han before, the fact that he's the one bringing us to kaifeng + when we showed up he just went let me be your tour guide😆

[iron canyon]

They might not have understood things fully but chose to respect what they wanted to do

[honest rain]

Well, when YM showed up, the boatman was supposed to be Zhang Cuo's agent... ||boy forgot to tell YM that's his dad||

[scarlet topaz]

can't get into messy politics if you pretend you don't know the young master running around causing chaos xD "dunno who that is. we have nothing to do with this"

[noble moat]

feathers

[scarlet topaz]

weaponized neutrality lol

[iron canyon]

And the fact that aunt han / uncle jiang's name can be the perfect bait for ym😭 one mention and ym would go running towards the source

[scarlet topaz]

"so you mean my aunt or uncle is in that spooky fortress over there?! say less."

[honest rain]

YM just a kid trying to get their family back😭

[crimson birch]

the way YM would sprint so fast with no questions

[scarlet topaz]

especially important since we dunno if their bio parents are dead or went to get the milk

[honest rain]

So that's why in Hexi trailer YM is wearing MB uniform.... someone said Perception Forest might have some answers😂

[crimson birch]

and YM fell for it immediately it seems

[scarlet topaz]

with the way YM hallucinates all the time, i just imagine this mentally unstable 16 year old with martial arts skills running around screaming "HAVE YOU'VE SEEN MY FAMILY?!" explosions and screams of terror in the background

[honest rain]

Wangran is truly evil for baiting this boy like that😆

[scarlet topaz]

YM is both intelligent and naive at the same time lol

[iron canyon]

YM has been exceptionally calm considering how ym just experienced a huge blow😭 but I don' blame them, ym is just a teenager

[scarlet topaz]

but they are only 16 lol

[scarlet topaz]

YM is braver than most adults but still very much a kid

[iron canyon]

like normal people seeing creepy or weird stuff they would steer away, but ym... See shiny, touch shiny😭 see creepy place, I'm not afraid

[scarlet topaz]

i like YM they are refreshing as a younger character. i'm not used to MCs not having their two braincells fighting for third place.

[honest rain]

I think YM's only keeping calm bc there's no "adult in the room" he can rely on, so the kid has to keep it together😭
But we see bits and pieces in WT, and the star assassin quest....

[scarlet topaz]

the rare intelligent mc is usually an adult not a kid from what i've read lol

[iron canyon]

and the fact that ym could handle themselves well, even though they're being protected under, but often times it was ym who makes decisions themselves🥹 I love ym's character so much

[scarlet topaz]

an example is Klein Moretti from Lord of Mysteries. he's in his 20s. so of course he has a braincell or two xD

but i compare YM to like shounen protags and such that's why it's refreshing

"oh my god the YM doesn't have a negative room temperature IQ!"

[scarlet topaz]

exactly!

[echo remnant]

thats really wholesome

[twilit lagoon]

Klien mentioned

[royal plover]

Zhu yu adopt 3 kids, zhang cou zheng e, and...?

[silver kiln]

makes sense

[grim stag]

i been skipping alot

where is ruby?

[storm hatch]

Ruby died

[nova wren]

To hell with the Jianghu!

[honest rain]

She didn't adopt three, she had 3 kids. 2 adopted sons, 1 blood daughter

[echo remnant]

just to confirm YM's character, he'll do anything to save the innocent, but won't hesitate to kill those he deems evil or hamful to those he cares about right?

thats how i see him at least

[honest rain]

It seems so... but also he will stop if the person he's fighting stops and comes back to their senses

[median lodge]

Ruby has ascended and now helps us as a soul

[echo remnant]

I am surprised he didnt kill zheng E tbh

or maybe he couldn't

[honest rain]

I find it's pretty reasonable for YM to go even with Zheng E (comparatively young, illness aside he'd be only slightly above YM), but they got interrupted by Shen Yilun... and, well, since Zheng E stopped being hostile after that, YM had no reason to finish him off

Or they might even be about same level, as we know Zheng E spent a lot of time studying medicine instead of blade, might even out with YM in the end

[echo remnant]

could be, neither party looked too injurred after the fight

but the "why not kill" part is YM knows Zheng E has ordered soldiers to kidnap anyone who looked into the granary, you know during a famine. We saw someone being almost tortured underground for looking too deep also

im not sure if YM has canonically seen Zheng E's memories through that fungus town or whatever its called yet, but to him Zheng E has to be unjustifiable lmao, he even murders poor Yilun!

[honest rain]

I think YM trusted Shen Yilun's judgment a tad bit too much, but we can see that it was justified in the end (like the first thing Zheng E did when his head cleared was send his research to Zhai Xu and leave to work)

It might be that 12 years of feud happens timeline-wise before Ever-Normal Granary campaign, so YM is up to date on their drama

OR, we see Zheng E almost completely stop reacting after that tree burned, YM's thought process might be along the lines of "I'm not fighting a laying opponent, I'll check up on him in a few days and see if I gotta finish it"

[echo remnant]

"this'll be too easy now, no fun" lmao

[honest rain]

Little home-grown murderhobo😂

[honest rain]

On the other hand, YM finds a letter from Ember of East in that area, so he mightve decided "I'll let Yingying deal with her psycho co-conspirator"

"That looks above my pay-grade"

[obsidian cliff]

Can I use a China account in the UK ?

[limpid wadi]

mhm

[ocean wedge]

[coarse nexus]

[heavy fox]

anyone else notice the weather in the game is super dark and raining all the time now?

[honest rain]

Might be your luck. You can try changing the weather through photo mode->pro and see if it "breaks" your world's weather back to being normal

[tame valley]

just got back into the game after release week, why do i have a bunch of restrictions

[topaz brook]

Is there a way to check a npcs name in Chinese without switching the game to Chinese? There's an wandering npc that I'm curious about what their name means

[opaque rune]

If you find one tell me. I wrote down all that i want to look up and am now waiting to finish other things and just do a full round -.- Asking CN players did not help, still got different answers for same character...

[heavy fox]

I've tried that a few times and it will be sunny for the "day" and then the next day cycle its raining again. its making it really hard to build at my guild base.

[topaz brook]

I'll try windsail later, but it feels impossible without either asking the CN players, or just changing the language and hoping to find it 😅 😭

[opaque rune]

Really fun is if you have game on chinese verbally cause well english is just not IT but the cutscenes are without subs sooooo...

[topaz brook]

I thought the cutscenes are subbed? I do the same where audio is chinese but text is English. The only times where I don't get subs is if bosses speak after beating them or the new photo event

[opaque rune]

Yeah not all of them no

kaifeng Surge last part with Shimmer saying bye to us? is not

And multiple others aren't either ^^

And translations in Surge are wonky

[tame valley]

any help please

[opaque rune]

cause we are called "Young Master" here and there, but the Gongzi menationed there is not US

[opaque rune]

Probably the wrong channel for that, here are the lore junkies XD

Thats more hall of swordsman or pavilion kind of question

[wanton pulsar]

jiangu blissful retreat uncle tian fr

[limpid garden]

Hi, i want to ask for 5/7 antiques clue in blissfull retreat pls

Willowleaf dagger and lovesick handkerchief

[honest rain]

Loveseek hankerchief you have to complete Elder Bell Ringer Wandering Tales and then, when old men stands outside the belltower, ask him about aunt Han until he gives you handkerchief (3 times, I think)

[woven sigil]

belltower is tricky because you can complete the wandering tale without actually finding all the clues, but the old man won't move until you found them all

[waxen shuttle]

interesting

[ocean wedge]

Tiresome

[woven sigil]

there's a big obvious slash through the center column with a sparkling indicator to look at it, and then the next clue is some knives stuck in a wall at the top of the stairs, but only one knife glimmers a little and you can miss them entirely if you're panning the camera as you go

[limpid garden]

I already have handkerchief and dagger but it still 5/7

And already fixed the bells

[humble ledge]

I think I understood what you meant when you told me there is no villain and no hero.

[woven sigil]

are you missing any of: Colorful Longevity Thread, Old Bracers, Water Lady Crown, Cicada Wing Pendant, Warding Crest

[humble ledge]

Did you mean that everyone does what it takes to keep their loved ones safe, even if they do evil, and people still call them evil?

[opaque rune]

Yes and no. But lets take Li Zuo. Objectively taking everyone's free will is a villainous thing to do but it's not like he was born like this. He was made like this. And we are bringing calamity and death to those close to us but are we evil because of that? On the other hand the little sub story about Lone Cloud: he saved and fed a villain (does no one realize the story is about Zheng E). It was a good dead to feed the hungry but it killed his whole family. So. Was he a good one for having compassion or the calamity of his bloodline?

[limpid garden]

I got all excp the past of willowleaf dagger and handkerchief

It says “2/3” and “1/2”

[woven sigil]

for handkerchief you gotta go back to bell tower and go through every clue so the bell ringer guy will move outside

[opaque rune]

@humble ledge In "real life" and as such in "good stories" there is no white and no black. Only shades of gray (NO not THOSE shades hiss)

[woven sigil]

the dagger you get from a letter in one of the Aureate camps in Kilnfire Ridge, round here

[humble ledge]

But some have turned into monsters or were born evil, and it was by their own will.

[opaque rune]

No one is borne evil. Not even in Xianxia where Evil Gods exist

It is even a usual trope that the demon god born to destroy the world hates the heck out of his fate

[humble ledge]

Thinking about these things is making me grow old prematurely.

[opaque rune]

Yingying was not born evil but the things she did? Would she die right now she would visit at least 6 of 18 hells before we can even talk about being reborn.

[humble ledge]

But a dragon begets a dragon like itself. What if the father was evil? Perhaps the son would be too.

[opaque rune]

9 out of 10: bs

Naturally there are exceptions.

[humble ledge]

Umm, I give up. My brain is fried from watching so much drama.

[opaque rune]

Shimmer said it quite well. Choices are illusions. You can only choose how you die

[humble ledge]

What about fate?

Their destiny is to protect those they love, like an uncle, no matter what happens, even if it goes against the wishes of their family or country.

[opaque rune]

Fate and Destiny are not the same

being destined for great things does no say if you wille ver reach there. it is just that you have the oportunity. Also does not specify good or bad great things

being fated is a more rigid thing where basically the "end" is set but the way there is not and even that can be broken.

Murong Yuan was destined to be a great engineer but she was not fated. You know where she ended up (aka hunt list of mohist hill)

[humble ledge]

So we disagree on some things, but what you're saying also makes sense. Thanks for this information.

[opaque rune]

I'm ok with that ^^ The day everyone has the same opinion is the day the planet explodes ^^

Would also be boring

[humble ledge]

Hahaha, isn't that so?

[limpid garden]

i just picked up letter, nothing changed

[woven sigil]

did you read it in inventory?

[limpid garden]

i did, it still 5/7

and handkerchief really tricky I've tried to make elder peace bell tower, nothing change T_T did i skip smth? T_T

the bell already fixed i even ringed the bell twice

[woven sigil]

yeah it's not from ringing the bell, you have to get every clue on the way up so the old man will move outside the tower

there's 6 if I remember right spots where you get an investigate prompt

[upper fulcrum]

Hi uh if anyone is interested, I made a short WWM trailer for an OG story not related to the game lore but a side one, I will share it if you would like to take a look.

[thorny timber]

I once saved a guy and then had to bring him his horse , he didn't properly thank me and left in wwm 😑

[stable gazelle]

so i just finished final gambit beneath the shimmer. however i had been drawn in by rewards which is why i was doing it. then i forget these quests give relevant lore so i only began paying attention after a certain point...so i was kind of confused

all ive picked up on is that water lady/aunt han seems to have had a twin sister that sacrificed herself? i assume the chess pieces are a metaphor to how they are all pawns under someones control hence why the mysterious guy is saying choice is an illusion or whatever

but that is the best i can pick up on..i am unsure of who the other characters are like the girl with the veil. or the older lady who i cant tell if shes a relative. or why they are staying at someones house.... etc

also idk if jianghu legacy storeis need to be played chronologically

[stable gazelle]

also here it says that shes wearing aunt hans face THAT DOES NOTTT LOOK LIKE AUNT HAN

maybe i just have bad readng comprehension but im trying to properly understand the games lorenow so i watch yt summary since i forgot a lot and skimmed sometimes

[woven sigil]

it was a twin brother actually, he has a tombstone in the Blissful Retreat graveyard where she pours the wine out during the Qinghe story

[stable gazelle]

wow he looks girly
that makes a lot more sense tho cs looking throuhg the yt summary it kept saying she has twin brother so

is this in anyway related to the fact qianye has two forms? and maybe i just have face blindness?

who are the homeowners though?

[woven sigil]

the girl with the veil is implied to be Qianye, one of the letters in Shimmer's world mentions the Liang family was wiped out but nothing was taken except the music score

[stable gazelle]

hmmm okkkk
i wasnt able to collect all the letters soo
we can rewind quests right? so maybe it would be worth it to replay it? i dont remmeber the quest taking too long

[woven sigil]

the twins were forced to work on the score and then their handlers wound up fighting over who would get credit for turning it in, giving the twins their chance to escape, but only Aunt Han made it

[stable gazelle]

ok that makes a lot more sense. were the twins servant sor something? they kept getting described as property/treasure

[woven sigil]

yeah if you go to that quest in journal and hit reverse, you can go back to Supreme Freedom where all the notes are

the twins were basically enslaved after their parents died, their father mentioned to be a jianghu fighter who died in a suspicious gambling match and their mother killed herself

[stable gazelle]

ohh i see. tysm for clearing up the story for me!

[pliant heath]

So I skipped someeeee cut scenes, what happened to ruby ?

First she kinda annoyed me but then she was just gone

[crimson basin]

Dang wwm is that deep?

[stable gazelle]

read the last word of the sentence over and over again. thats what happened to her

lmao im crying 😭 missing one of the climax scenes

[pliant heath]

[pliant heath]

I tried but there was so many stuff to read and watch

At some point I gave up turned 3x on and started to skip some scenes

[stable gazelle]

lol no worries, i get very overwhelmed by the countless quests! you just happened to miss what i consider one of the most vital ones

i will try to retrace for you

[pliant heath]

So reading here in the channel time by time is kinda nice catching up some lore

[pliant heath]

I got so confused by the order since I randomly explored the map before doing any main mission

[stable gazelle]

for background info just in case you missed this too: aureate pavilion attacked blissful retreat in an effort to retrieve very important document stored away by aunt han. that document lists the names of everyone that had gone under the face-changing operation by aunt han to become spies

so in the cutscene you missed, mc is trying to save everyone with the help of yi dao. you may remember qianye during this

qianye put a spell on blissful retreat, causing disorientation upon its inhabitants that made it almost impossible to leave the place. it felt like a loop, in a way. you go one way only to circle back around to where you came from

the only way out is to be guided from a high point, which i think yi dao suggests

ruby, having always been inspired by legends of heroes, she wants to be the one to help lead everyone out. of course, she is only a kid, so mc stops her and tells one of the npcs to tie her up

however, she manages to break free (i think by tricking her other kid friend a little bit but i do not exactly recall) and goes to that high point that yi dao mentioned. there, she holds up the red cape mc gave her on a branch. the only issue is that it is not only the villagers that can see this, but the soldiers too

so the soldiers shoot various arrows at the cape. qianye does too, and it is her arrow that ends up killing ruby

[pliant heath]

😭

[stable gazelle]

yea, there is a lot of side quests that give extra lore. in the quests menu, they should be labelled as "lost chapters" and can be found within the journal, if that helps

[pliant heath]

Thanks I didn't had all that anymore in my memory

Quinge already so long ago

Since you so good at lore

[stable gazelle]

its fine, i actually just watched a video covering the qinghe story today to freshen up. my brain was kind of overloaded when i started the game (plus i am not used to wuxia genre) so i ended up losing some bits and details

[pliant heath]

I kinda didn't understood the extra end cutscenes after getting all light and dark storys

I thought I would get a cutscenes but then random dude getting a whole secret ending

[stable gazelle]

light and dark stories? are those lke dark surge etc?

[pliant heath]

Yeah

[stable gazelle]

so those (part of lost chapter) are just to expand the universe and give you insight of the characters. it leaves some more details for us to pick up on. the side story i did today was detailing a little bit about aunt han's past, yet it still leaves her quite mysterious

thing is , these are only SIDE stories. do not fret if you feel it is a little random. they are not the main source of lore and may make more sense as future MAIN chapters release

i also get lost because sometimes i rush them as i was not aware of how relevant they could be to the lore

i think the dark surge stuff actually has ingame summaries of whatever you experienced, so if you dont remember much you can reread the general basis of it

what may feel like random characters are either vaguely tied to the characters we know of now, or will become more relevant in future. i still have to look through everything myself, so we will see!

[pliant heath]

Okai thanks for the explaining

I will try to keep more focus on the new area

[celest flume]

What a pain collecting dark surges
I havent even done pipa chasm bc im missing 2 encounters to trigger the little girl spawning
If someone knows what happens after u complete pipa chasm and obtain the explosive device plan pls tell me

[woven sigil]

there's a whole questline with the little girl and asking people in Masterwood how they felt about Murong Yuan, finding her secret lab, finding out her brother lied to her about their father, fighting cops because she survived the explosion obviously

[celest flume]

There were 2 encounters that im missing, how to trigger them?

[woven sigil]

not sure which you mean, for me she appeared right after I finished Unholy Prophecy

you need Jinming Pool done obv and I guess the wandering tales is what you mean?

Feng Jisheng is right at entrance to Masterwood Hamlet for that wandering tale

[celest flume]

All of the jianghu legacy and campaigns is done for me

[celest flume]

Aye ty

[shy elm]

I've been wondering who the hell was that white haired guy with bandages that Qianye just swaps to? I have an idea who it may be but I'm not too sure since I haven't read all the extra lore

[iron canyon]

Gonna add on a bit that mc specifically asked them to tie her up and look after her closely becase mc knows her well that she would sneak out and try to help in her own way, mc can't afford to loose anyone else. Ruby managed to break free because she and mc knows the basement well (the secret rooom of yms where we went to claim some of our stuff before meeting yidao), that's why she was able to go to the high spot, her size is an advantage too since she can go through smaller spaces even tho mc reacted there's no way ym could rush there in time...

[iron canyon]

That's her second form in her illusion, even the reason why her form is like that is not completely revealed yet, so it's all theories and speculations. The most convincible one would be because (since you mentioned you haven't read everything) ||aunt han's brother was made into medicine for the noblewoman of the Liang family (this was based on the shimmer quest), so in her second form, you would see that the forms appear more ambigous, one leaning towards a woman and the other a man, the cracks on her white form also suggests that it could be a side effect from the transplanting||

[stable gazelle]

its such a coincidence that the day i do shimmer quest and review qinghe story i read this bit of info bc i was also wondering what the hell the other form of qianye is supposed to be

the video i watched said the other form is supposed to look like aunt han and im just wondering where tf anyone would see aunt hans face on her 😭

[iron canyon]

They do share some resemblance, and combining aunt han's past we know it became a solid theory + how qianye is crazily obsessive towards aunt han that qianye loves and hates her at the same time😭

[shy elm]

Ohh I just did the Shimmer Quest just now and when I saw and heard the Liang woman I immediately thought of Qianye. i was thinking the same when I remember Qianye's second form. Though I didn't think that his organs can still be transplanted since he died already but the bandages kinda checks out.

[iron canyon]

People also pointed out how the way the noblewoman speaks is similar to qianye, there are some brief info of qianye at CN too but it still hasn't answer much (or rather planted more questions ). Since the noblewoman is known to be sick, it could be that she's relying on the medicines and transplants to live

[stable gazelle]

in the shimmer quest, they are putting together some sort of score. do we know what the signifance of this score is really? i missed some stuff when playing the quest today

[iron canyon]

it only explains aunt han's past, but it didn't reveal what happened to aunt han's twin brother or the noblewoman, aunt han has been trying to find info about her brother for long

From what I saw before (take it as a grain of salt since it's from early stages of CN, might not be able to proof check since it's already a year ago + it was removed) ||in early beta testing info, qianye's full name was labeled as Han QianYe, but after the beta testing this setting was removed||

[stable gazelle]

i see..i suppose the side quests are not meant to give us full picutre anyway, that is main chapters job. i am just soo curious now lolol

[stable gazelle]

omgg

[iron canyon]

they do reveal something, but to piece things up, more info is needed why devs😆

[stable gazelle]

😭 aaaa i need new msq nowwwww

[wise kelp]

Isn’t there supposed to be a ranking for the new generation of martial artists?

[finite atlas]

Question to the pros: which is better for strategic sword build

[mental ermine]

Wrong chat

[robust solar]

Is there a video that explains what happen to aunt Han? I tried my best to understand the story but I’m left a bit confused as to what really took place.

[finite atlas]

Which channel?

[main karma]

#🧐pve-build-discussion or #⚔️pvp-build-discussion probably

[royal plover]

Is painting in gambit beneath the shimmer quest tell about aunt han backstory?

So she from khitan?

Can u explain all the 4 painting?

Lol so there someone else do same quest like me today😅

[keen remnant]

why did tain ying kill the enovy ?

[woven sigil]

the Tang were trying to form an alliance with the Khitan against Tian Ying's nation Zhou, he kills the envoy in Tang's territory so the Khitan won't trust them and abandon the alliance

[royal plover]

Explain what happen in gambit beneath the simmer quest?

[fiery tinsel]

I also was wondering what is shimmer’s connection to aunt Han

[woven sigil]

it's Aunt Han's backstory yeah, she and her twin brother were orphaned and enslaved and then her brother sacrificed himself so she could escape, the Liang young master implied to be Qianye and Han's brother was sacrificed in some fashion to cure her disease

[iron canyon]

Most probably an aquintance of hers, aunt han is a pretty well-known jianghu character

[royal plover]

Her brother dress like a girl here?

Btw what happen to them before, the adoption, and they are adopt by khitan right ?

And whos the lady teaching them about music, and who the guy mocking them in 3rd painting?

[woven sigil]

Shimmer just seems to admire Aunt Han, the music score she completed as a child is one he wanted to get his hands on, and he gushes over her annotations

[fiery tinsel]

That makes sense

[iron canyon]

Yep, they dressed her brother into a girl, the twins were sold to the liang family by their parents

[woven sigil]

they were just orphaned, Shimmer thinks their father was killed as a plot by someone important, but nah those aren't Khitan, Khitan have a different language

they weren't sold, both parents were dead

[royal plover]

Didn't liang, is khitan?

[woven sigil]

if you're thinking of the Khitan dynasty that's Liao

[iron canyon]

I remember seeing this in her bio tho, iirc in the shimmer quest it was mentioned that her father lost in a gamble, although not exactly "sold" in this case but because of her father they ended up in the family since the family needed two people as medicine for the noblewoman

[woven sigil]

Shimmer's pretty clear he died, you can take it as "died and left family in debt" maybe

Shimmer's stuff has been retranslated at least once since release

[iron canyon]

looks like for more accurate info we have to refer to the original but even in the original what exactly is the bet is unknown (and that lizuo is involved in this story too)

[royal plover]

So whos liang?, which region they are?

[hidden kelp]

liang was before sui and tang, ~500AD during northern & southern dynasties, 4 centuries before game time, occupied southern china in the region south of the Yangze river, capital Jiankang (modern day Nanjing)

[woven sigil]

don't know yet, can't say much from just a name, just that they came from the same region as Aunt Han's pear blossoms since she brought them "from her homeland" and Qianye recognizes them

[woven sigil]

that's Liang Dynasty but dynasty is different from family name, like the Zhao family rules the Song Dynasty

[hidden kelp]

i thought they were asking about the dynasty

[woven sigil]

there's also Later Liang at start of 5D10K about 50 years before the game date but that was the Zhu family

[hidden kelp]

yeah that too

[quaint owl]

Why's it so hard to fund a partner in the game?

[rancid lake]

Is about luck

[hidden kelp]

Make an alt and partner yourself. 100% reliability and accountability

[jolly holly]

Ruby?!

[quaint owl]

Luck is bad apparently lol

[quaint owl]

That's no fun lol

[celest flume]

Just beg in world channel
I got my partner cuz we were bored and joined coop to play

[fallow wigeon]

this i agree

or join a sword trial and show off alil, you will get a friend, then slowly become partner :>

[nova wren]

To hell with the Jianghu!

[queen solstice]

Harom

[full eagle]

whats the lore for martial temple ?
they hav some hidden base inside the temple and secret tunnels connecting to dreamfall cliff.. its been awhile since i finish the lost chapter i cannot rmb >_<

[visual merlin]

[steel sentinel]

[royal plover]

Is this zou qiang/velvet leader who dance with us?

[crimson basin]

Nope it’s me

[low wigeon]

[north trench]

chat i think Kaifeng and qingce and probably other region that sill come is actually far away from each. the map just shrink down and connecting so we can walk from Kaifeng to qingce and vise versa. but the lore is actually there is a place between region.

one of my theory is because several qingce npc i met just teleporting around the map in short time. while npc cross qingce and Kaifeng is rare

[digital forge]

I agree sounds legit

[brittle current]

I almost cried seeing her again 🥲

[fathom haven]

4

[proud yew]

They work under who?

I mean they spy for?

[royal plover]

Spy for themself, i think, they didnt serve any lord

[proud yew]

Ohh

[hidden kelp]

You mean Qinghe. Yeah they shrunk the map way down of course otherwise your computer will explode. But they should be next to each other geographically it's just a way larger area irl.

[hidden kelp]

Shimmer of the South, and possibly also Song court as double agents. That screenshot is from WWMGirl lore video on YT btw. She explains it pretty well in her video so you can just go watch it

[proud yew]

Aighty thanksss

[ocean wedge]

Lmaooo

[steel crest]

Aloo

[fringe wyvern]

[proud yew]

[silver kiln]

🤔

[twilit stag]

[vivid phoenix]

When blade sacrifices himself and throws u throught that door
Just b4 the explosion there's a hand that pull u
Who is that?

[plain star]

Aunt Han.

[past socket]

I think it is Aunt Han, but I didn't understand why she left us after

[north trench]

well i google map and yeah qinghe and Kaifeng pretty close

[vivid phoenix]

Does she know we still alive?

[north trench]

which is 300km💀

[woven sigil]

the timeskip to the funeral makes it confusing for everyone but yeah basically Aunt Han saves you and then leaves while you're unconscious, and YM finds the note inviting Aunt Han to Kaifeng so follows to try and find out what's going on

[past socket]

Yes, that why we "follow her" to Kaifeng but I didn't understand the Kaifeng Arc so much

[past socket]

⬆️

[vivid phoenix]

Oh I'm still busy with Kaifeng

[woven sigil]

she had planned to evacuate all of Blissful Retreat because she knew the Aureates had found her, but Ruby's dad convinced her to wait until after the festival 😔

[vivid phoenix]

I think I'm on the 7 day limit to prove my innocence
But I'm doing side quests atm

[vivid phoenix]

Bro Ruby's death traumatized me

[past socket]

Take your time, it is very interesting but unfortunately I didn't catch to much about the history

[past socket]

I must admit that in the first part of the history I kinda hate Ruby but when I finally reach the point to love her as our little sister... she got killed

[full swallow]

Lord of the goose feathers

[exotic sentinel]

lore

[opaque rune]

Did you still like her after finding out she planned to marry you? XD

[white viper]

yesss

[flat goblet]

[woven sigil]

oh btw, if you read the geography books you get with each Universal Harmony it tells you what the 'real' distances are, like Jadebrook Mountain is a hundred miles north of Heaven's Pier but ingame is right on the other side of the river

[past socket]

Wat

[visual merlin]

[waxen shuttle]

fire

[outer birch]

sup yalll

[balmy kite]

[raven saddle]

Ay mate, are wandering tales give enlightenment point for talent tree ?

[vague shoal]

No

[proper orbit]

If the game world were made to scale, in-game travel would have taken hours or days. China is vast (kinda continent-sized), so it would make sense to present a shrunken version of northern China in the game. I guess we just have to use our imagination to visualize the vast stretches of land between the various boundary stones in the game world.

Many of the places in the game are fictional though (the smaller places; but not significant locations like Kaifeng, obviously)

[long abyss]

Continent-sized is a stretch

[midnight cedar]

[proper orbit]

which is why I said "kinda". It is almost the size of Europe (a continent), and larger than Australia.. and has extreme internal diversity in climates and landscapes... so I don't think it's quite a stretch. it's not labelled officially as a continent obviously, but "kinda"....

[honest rain]

China is 9.57×10^6 km², Europe is 10.5×10^6 km² and Australia is 7.69×10^6 km². While not exactly the biggest, it is still comparable in size to the continents in the smaller size

[gusty mango]

[royal plover]

Is this zou qiang too?

How fast she change her cloth after dancing with us?

[noble moat]

11 days to go

[paper rampart]

Plot no jutsu armour

[iron canyon]

when we're falling onto the stage the dancers already disappeared so who knows

[wild willow]

Evening/morning wanderers

[royal plover]

Why puppeter in verdent wild don't have strings and move like human, but the one in sundaraland had have strings?

[woven sigil]

first fight is the younger brother, second fight is the older puppeting the younger

[celest flume]

2 brothers
Sheng Wu and Sheng Wen

[queen solstice]

Harom

[coral vigil]

Hello everyone. I’m new here. I just joined the server.

[royal plover]

The big guy we fight in first pic is younger brother, not puppet?

[woven sigil]

yeah, huge but born mute

[willow cairn]

[storm hatch]

Interesting

[delicate sentinel]

[royal plover]

Who is gongzi?

[iron canyon]

shimmer of south (南烛公子 nan zhu gongzi) if you're referring to those scattered pages in the shimmer quest

[royal plover]

The note on that quest mantion about wang yuya, who is this guy, i remember find him in a world of absurdity side quest, he the guy with thick make up we chase him.

He remind me to the guy ember kill during hero assembly

[honest rain]

"Noble young man"
In-game it mostly used for Shimmer of South and Ember of East but generally can appear anywhere if Evil Translation Machine decides so

[iron canyon]

the quest that you enter an illusion right that's an illusion after ym ate toxic mushrooms, it doesn't have any relation to the main quest imo

[iron canyon]

it's easily confusing since both of them have gongzi in their title and sometimes the translations ain't standardized so it may appear differently in different places

[royal plover]

But his name getting mantion on the note in gambit quest

[iron canyon]

I flipped the 10 pages of the shimmer quest but never see the name... could it be evil translation again or it's mentioned elsewhere

[royal plover]

Not in the shimmer note, but note on statue, u cant take this note

[honest rain]

Can you bring a screenshot?

[royal plover]

Note be cant take away

Unless i repeat the quest

[honest rain]

Bc we don't have perfect memory for detail and we aren't replaying for one statue, lol

[honest rain]

Well, then it'd be a mystery until someone gets to it

[orchid urchin]

wwm lore is so complex but i love it

[iron canyon]

well, i found a post that I believe containing most of the unattainable notes + the 10 pages, and I don't see any place mentioning that man so far... perhaps you can share it if you happen to replay the quest one day

[honest rain]

Could you dm me that post👁

[near bloom]

[grave sluice]

Den loreeeeeee

[royal plover]

So shimmer can use illusion like ember, what he want from ym?

[distant sage]

lets go

[iron canyon]

It was yingying who told ym that at velvet shade, ym might be able to get info about aunt han (Since this was ym's main goal in entering kaifeng, yingying couldn't provide much info since she already lost her position. Also, irl history, zhou qiang is the wife of li yu (aka shimmer), velvet shade also gained their influences during southern tang), and the key of letting us (& yingying, indirectly to get velvet shade's help) being able to connect to shimmer (bc of his past attachments) was that jar of parting tears. Shimmer certainly had been acquainted w aunt han in some way in the past (but the game never stated it clearly yet).

[paper rampart]

Parting tears, the root cause of all problems.

[royal plover]

He the one bought our parting tears?

And he is in the velvet shade all this time?

He is the emperor of southern tang right, why he alone in enemy territory

My bad, its not wang yuya, but feng wuya.

For some reason i cant scroll down to read the rest

[iron canyon]

Our parting tears ended up in his hands, but he felt bad drinking it so he eventually returned it to us. Plus he's not essentially alone, he already infiltrated song in his way that he could get all sorts of hidden info like a know it all. He's probably not there all the time but we never know, and yes, he's the emperor

[royal plover]

When he return it to us?

[paper rampart]

When you finished the dark and light and get a key

[iron canyon]

those two guys are merely pawns for him to complete his plan. he's knows that their parents hold crucial authorities, intending to disturb the shadow arsenal's situation/state in order to obtain absolute control over the arsenal.. (My ancient chinese ain't that good, so I might not be accurate)

[iron canyon]

when you complete kaifeng's dark surge

[royal plover]

Shadoe arsenal?

Are these guys, 2 thugs ember kill in reverly hall before using coin?

[honest rain]

Can't help but wonder why Li Yu is trying to mingle with the family. Like the quest can be boiled down to "idk where Han currently is, but, kid, Do You Know What She Was? Do you know what she did?". It's like he's trying to put a wedge between YM and their family, but why would Shimmer do that
||plz don't tell he wants magic battlefield baby for his schemes too||

[iron canyon]

The game doesn't tell us who exactly they are, but it could be. Tho these two's roles are not exactly too significant in a way if you compare to the other important guests

[honest rain]

Shadow arsenal is, if I'm not wrong, the secret area under Martial temple. It's tying the stories from there back into Main Story thread of Kaifeng, bc it was a bit disconnected

[iron canyon]

He might have seen potential in ym, that ym can be used to save jiangnan. Although his goals was to 1. delay southern campaign which he succeeded, 2. cause chaos within the song court and their folks (he failed this one, but he most probably saw how ym interfered and saved kaifeng he had more ideas + our identity card jiang and han.) He might be leaving things like this so he could have a reason to see/find ym in the future.

[honest rain]

I doubt they were the same ppl🤔 the two that Ember killed were stated to be infamous performers/mercs. It is possible they were independent actors causing a disturbance to the plan, so Ember felt comfortable dealing with them swiftly+showing off in front of guests.

I'm very 50/50 on that, the two might've bern intentionally led there by Shimmer, so Ember can enter with pomp, but they also could've been independent actors swept into this mess by their own greed. After all, the rumors of money-making-basin were a big deal all over Kaifeng

[honest rain]

I guess we will have to wait and find out with this one

[iron canyon]

And also how Zhang Cuo was hyping Ember's martial arts, everything seems connected and planned out, so I also doubt they're the same people

[honest rain]

Ngl, with Zhang Cuo, I think he straight up fell for the propaganda

It's my impression so far that Zhang Cuo is on court's side in all this, so unlike his family members, he won't have met Ember until now – so, he likely relied on rumors and word of the mouth to find out about 'him'

Watch me do my research later today and find out I'm so wrong on this one

[iron canyon]

Actually, I have different thoughts on this (since the devs wouldn't just simply add on lines for noting). In the jianghu, the rumours about how weiyang city has infighting (and also, considering how yingying already lost her martial arts that time), it's extremly crucial to gain the trust of everyone in the assembly that she is the real ember. So Zhang Cuo stood out, hyping up Ember by mentioning her well known martial arts + emphasizing what the crowd saw (from the couple), in simple words it means look, only the ember knows this martial arts, as you all see, she really is the ember. Normal people wouldn't have stood up this bravely without knowing any context, so it's highly possible that Zhang Cuo knows about the fact that she lost her martial arts, so he willingly stood out to add on to the "confirmation", and how it could be possible that he had planned this out w ember.

[honest rain]

Ooooh, good point

Alr, I will have to go back and look through everything we have on A'Cuo again 'cause I was under the impression that he was not in on any of the conspiracy

[iron canyon]

Also selecting the people as the "performers" needs to be particular. These two are the typical bad ppl vibes, and from their dialogues, it's true that they were invited (but bc of their bad vibes, no one will believe that they were invited + they are decent in martial arts), so velvet shade asked for a second checking in order to force them to go out of line, creating an opportunity for yingying to make a "cool saving scene", which is the best to convince the crowd since she's able to kill them in one move, proofing zhang cuo's words more. Jade serpant hall is also a well known organization, combining how he's affilated with the court, his words can hold weight in a scene like this.

[royal plover]

What aunt han role in kaifeng originally if she not missing?

Feng yi in blissful to take han to keifeng right

[proven orchid]

[iron canyon]

We saw a letter of aunt han contacting the ember of east and ember is at kaifeng, so we went

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[iron canyon]

There's not much lines of a'cuo during the heroes assembly, what i remember is little fu introducing, then during the heroes assembly where he hyped ember up

[opaque rune]

That's not quite correct because int eh Surge it is used to describe someone who was in contact with both. Gonzi is techncially just "Young master" and we are also called "Gongzi"

9 out of 10 it actually us being called Young Master, Neither Shimmer nor Ember are called that especially not Ember as SHE is a Guniang. While she did pose as a Young Master to climb the ranks of the Wen (bloody as hell) she was also known as Black and White treasurers, one male one female. She was never the black one, she was both.

[storm lintel]

Does the Hexi region continues the current storyline or it's independent?

[opaque rune]

And the Chaos was not Shimmers Scheme but Embers, Source the Biographies. She wanted to disturb Kaifeng, make people fear the Song and flee the city so she can buy everything cheep and sell it later for more coin. Granny Turtle breaking down was what stopped her scheme and Shimmer did nothing when she changed the plan and let her. The "plan" was a lot of death and misery

[opaque rune]

Hexi is... history. We get glimpses into why people are who they are right now

[opaque rune]

All of Weiyang knows it and Wuhen so yes basically everyone knows. Infighting is a nice word for her massacaring 2/3 of her moms family before Wuhen takes her mother hostage and said mother jumps into a blade on her own.

[idle pollen]

1

[honest rain]

Yeah, but I want to also go over the exploration notes we get + Heavenfall campaign, bc as I said I was under impression that Zhang Cuo was fully on court's side. But if he's hyping up Ember, he's at least partially in on the act

[honest rain]

Quoting directly from Dark surge: "Feng Ruzhi met with mysterious gongzi", referring to her neeting Ember. We know Wen Wuque goes by gongzi for posturing reasons. Also translation AI sometimes just straight up fails on terms like this

[opaque rune]

You THINK it refers to Ember.

Issue is if your ead all Sourges and all Bio's Gongzi and master intertwine

And neither is Ember or Shimmer or us

[iron canyon]

Not quite, that was her first attempt to gain her position back in weiyang, and it was before meeting ym, the incident is true. In the shimmer notes & letters, it's frequently mentioned that yingying cares about the folks (the plan ym got swept in)

[honest rain]

In dark surge note it mentions gongzi, but when you unlock the surge fully, in explanation/story it straight up says Ruzhi was in communication with Ember

[opaque rune]

If it is stated "mysterious gongzi" it does not mean Ember. There are reasons why it is called mysterious gongzi

[opaque rune]

I unlocke dit fully and it is still gongzi

besides Ruzhi, Cao and Zheng E are Zhu Yu's children. They met them all at some point

[iron canyon]

they're doing basically whatever they could to snatch the position, I just couldn't think of a word that time so I'll just put it as infighting

[honest rain]

My first assumption was that the mysterious gongzi was either one of her brothers (like we know she secretly met with Zheng E), but then text said she was meeting Ember

[opaque rune]

Reminds me a lot of the Wen from mdsz XD

Which Sourge says that?

Because the Gongzi, written like this, is not at any point Ember

[honest rain]

It'd be weird if the little surge note was about meeting A, and then "conclusion" you unlock by collecting it talks about meeting B, that wasn't mentioned in any "pieces" we gather to unlock it
=> meeting with gongzi and meeting with Ember are the same meeting

[opaque rune]

Ember can not be Gongzi spinly due to the first Surge alone

Gongzi is not that young

[honest rain]

So purely by puzzle nature of dark surges, meeting A = meeting B

[opaque rune]

Fei Yuan, Chinese version of the same text

[iron canyon]

hmmm, it's weird because the way they wrote gongzi in both dark surges are different. first one is feng yi's the gongzi is in a quotation mark, while the secon is fengruzhi's, yet this time they put it mysterious gongzi

[honest rain]

Gongzi is not a definitive term, so 1st surge gongzi might be different fron River Master's surge gongzi

[opaque rune]

Which note

you mean meeting at heijian?

Basically you are still guessing, i do not see anywhere that this was Ember. What i see tho si all of them being in contact with someone the devs translated into "GongzI" wirrten likes a nomen

[iron canyon]

this was the description of the overall heavenfall dark surge, over here, it's written normally as gongzi imo both shimmer & ember are possible, but I am leaning towards ember more since the letter that we fount (abt ember of east is the last contact of aunt han)

[opaque rune]

And I am pretty sure it is neither

[iron canyon]

my bad for pasting the wrong pic this was for feng ruzhi

[opaque rune]

The passage you posted had nothing to do with either because neither Shimmer nor Ember had anything to do with the underground transportation of the grain

The actually issue for us not chinese speaking geeks is: we can not be sure if the translation is just that bad (which it is in some cases) or if it was intetional (which it also is in some cases)

Because when i read the sourges in Chinese the "Young master" is just the normal address, but in the english version it is written like a title, like Shimmer and Ember

So in chinese the mysterious young Master can be Big Zhao too... Ok maybe more little Zhao, Big Zhao just does not look young master

[iron canyon]

thinking the same too, was going through the gongzi part of the dark surge and noticed this (First line stated clearly that the whole plan was caused by two gongzis, shimmer & ember), yet over here, the second fragment, gongzi was in the quotation marks again ("Gongzi" is from the south) , at least in this part for zheng e, it's confirmed that through river master, zheng e got to know Ember of east, yet in the grain moving & face changing, the gongzi became an unknown variable again. We can't even be sure who the gongzi is at this point, but judging from how they write at least, it would be more reliable to say that the general gongzi would be shimmer, since ember is clearly stated like in the second pic. Let me read a bit more just to be sure

[royal plover]

Yeah, but han role gonna be in yingying plan if she not disappear, she already help zheng e change his face

[proper orbit]

Big Zhao will be laughing in his sleep if someone addresses him as 公子 (Gongzi) 🙂 He would be smiling all day. "Ah to be young again"

[opaque rune]

You are aware we know more than one person from the south of importance, right?

Shimmers ONLY activity had been the tang coin thing. Everything else was Ember and his support for her. He was not involved in anything else. He was also not involved with Murong

Or the Dao Lord for this matter. He knows a lot simply due to his wife but he is not the puppet master

[honest rain]

My reasoning is that dark surge story is something that's supposedly deduced based on dark surge pieces. So my thought proces, approaching it as a puzzle:

1. Piece: "Feng Ruzhi met mystery gongzi"
2. Gongzi might be anyone (her brothers, prefect, Shimmer or Ember) (YM is not meeting her secretly, he's quite open, so he's out)
3. "Concluded" story: "Feng Ruzhi communicated with Ember"
4. Does Ember fit word "gongzi"? Kinda
5. Is anyone else mentioned in this specific puzzle that also fits word "gongzi" and has secret meeting with Feng Ruzhi?

[opaque rune]

Question is tho who trully proffited from Ruzhi and neither of those you named fits the bill

And again, in Chinese there is no capitalization on the word so any single semi noble or mysterious guy is a "mysterious Gongzi"

[honest rain]

IMO, Ruzhi is main line of communication with grief-stricken River Master, so she's more of an intermediary in this situation

[opaque rune]

It's conjecture to put those you know into the role

[iron canyon]

I am aware that shimmer of south had song infiltrated so deep that he somehow knows a lot of information at least (from shimmer quest the scattered notes and letters). But if the game wanted to make things clear, they would have simply just wrote Ember doing xxxx, Shimmer contacted xxx etc, why would they go rounds and lengths just to make ambigous addressions like these plus in this game, influential people are limited. To be able to make such contacts and assist in this plan, I'm sure the number of candidates who fit here isn't much. Lets take this another example, the same quotation marked gongzi, but this gongzi has contact with aureate pavillion, would really be interested in your thoughts on this.

[opaque rune]

And everyone kinda ignores the one who actually has a lot to gain form all of this as if he is not there

[honest rain]

It is a puzzle. How else are you supposed to treat a text puzzle

[opaque rune]

His wife is the mistress of the imperial spy agency known as Velvet Shade, duh ^^

[honest rain]

Alr, imma get back to you when I have the game open in front of my eyes

Bc now I'm arguing on memory alone

[opaque rune]

Also please do not forget that Li Yu has no power as Emperor in thsi game

Southern tang is already controlled by Aureate

[opaque rune]

anytime just ping me so i know to look into discord ^^

[iron canyon]

Let me dive in more a bit too, the dark surges are quite complex

[opaque rune]

personally I think we ignore the pink elephant (ok techncially white elephant with insects) in the room too much

[honest rain]

I think I'm going to cross-reference it with surge collection guide, bc if item is smth like a whole letter, and the surge only has one sentence, it can muddy the waters a lot

[opaque rune]

The person who is already controlling one kingdom and can control any person at will with his Gu

[vague shoal]

I havent read everything but isnt gongzis here ember and shimmer?

[opaque rune]

KAM: that's the point: it's conjecture to say it's them because you are biased towards those you know of

[vague shoal]

Game made it clear thru dark surges

Gongzi isnt 1 person

[honest rain]

Like I remember one of Tian Ying's dark surges condensed full 2 paragraph item inspection to a few words, and it so much detail

[opaque rune]

It did not that's the whole discussion sigh

Gongzi is every single male semi noble person

[honest rain]

That's the whole point we're discussing

[opaque rune]

Forking Ghost Master is a mysterious gonzi...

[proper orbit]

I think (and I'm not completely sure) that the devs deliberately made "gongzi" anonymous because there must be something deeper than simply what we think are obvious...

[vague shoal]

But dark surges specifically point to ember and shimmer

[proper orbit]

so this is a very interesting take 🙂

[opaque rune]

This.

[honest rain]

it's a puzzle, you're supposed to be able to go from point A to point B based on your knowledge or information provided

[opaque rune]

How realistic is it that the one controlling Li Yu's kingdom has absolutely nothing to with kaifeng? At all?

[vague shoal]

Well fair enough, i dont really read much into it, in my head it’s sihimmer and ember which make sense with everything

[iron canyon]

Yeah, but stricty speaking, in the gongzi part of the kaifeng dark surge, only there, it's stated that kaifeng's chaos was caused by two gongzis, ember & shimmer. The rest of the fragments, excluding those stated clearly, we have gongzi, "gongzi" and mysterious gongzi three addressions

[opaque rune]

Except for them talking to each other as gongzi while they know each other in person

[vague shoal]

Which one are those again?

[proper orbit]

I will put some money into the game if the devs eventually pull a huge plot twist and reveal gongzi to be someone that most of the gamers didn't guess him to be. It will be awesome 🙂 Great storytelling hahaha

[honest rain]

The third person consistently addressed as gongzi is YM, AND WE KNOW THEY WEREN'T THERE

[opaque rune]

But that's also technically not true. Because while Tang Coins was Shimmer and hearsay was Ember, the FAMINE was Zheng E and HE was also in contact with a Gongzi

[iron canyon]

those are from the dark surges, different cases have different addressions (as far as I know)

[opaque rune]

Pretty sure you can drop that money in right now

[proper orbit]

I will wait for better skins lmao

[opaque rune]

We don't even know who the fork WE are

[proper orbit]

I love games that make players debate extensively: like the way you guys are doing now

amazing

[opaque rune]

Next "mysterious gongzi" is also the green clad dragon forker in the imperial trailer ^^

[iron canyon]

time to dive deep into the lore to piece up the puzzles

[proper orbit]

hahaha yea, you guys are playing the game on top of the game 🙂

[opaque rune]

I watched way too many c-dramas and read way too many novels to believe the puzzles to be this small scaled

[proper orbit]

I sense a major plot twist coming up

[opaque rune]

It's just. The biggest player in this game of thrones IN the game, not history, is the Immortal Gu Master

[proper orbit]

I really shouldn't be playing the international version lol..

[opaque rune]

And he is supposed to have nothing to do with the issues in Kaifeng while we are there? That's just delusional

[honest rain]

I feel like it's applicable to plof in general, but specifically dark surges are [fact1]+[fact2]+[fact3]-deduction->[story], so they can and should be treated straightforwardly

[proper orbit]

yea they did kinda make the dark surges look like a puzzle... I wonder if it wasn't supposed to be taken literally..

[honest rain]

So for example if we had gongzi in compendium text, I'd agree with your logic

[opaque rune]

I don't see it like this. It's like people reading the Qinghe Sourges and screaming Tian Ying is the "actual MC" while we are literally the pivotal point of it ALL

[honest rain]

Methink if it's shaped like a deduction puzzle and reads like a deduction puzzle

[opaque rune]

I think it is supposed to make us discuss (we do that) but also that it blinds the eye

You can not read just the sourges you need to also read the bio's

The quests and the Compendium

[honest rain]

I think journal and compendium are used for "free floating" facts, but dark surges can almost he treated like YM's notebook – what they learned and what conclusions devs want us to make. it won't be separated from "free floating" stories if devs wanted us to treat it same as the other stories

[opaque rune]

Like: the Calamity the Lone Cloud is talking about? It is not ONE person. It is 2 people. But you will never know it if you did not read the Bio's and if you did not look at the quest you miss that the one thinking hiself the Calamity did the same thing as Zheng E: he was merciful in times of famine. And just like Zheng E, it bit him in his as'

[opaque rune]

There is a significant difference between what maybe dev's want us to think and what is. So again. Thinking small and only seeing those we know of is canon our stupidity. But does not mean I have to follow it

[main dagger]

i reached the peak of the Statue of the 3 faced deity on Gleaming Abyss, there's a red named NPC there a midnight blade, who is this?

also this item

i left cuz i dun want to kill an NPC that i dunno if they're in a quest or not since i had a feeling they'll kill me if i stayed

[woven sigil]

the charms are collectible, there's 16 of them throughout Qinghe

[terse mica]

I got bitten by five step snake

[main dagger]

yeah- my friend tried to mess with the npc after i told him, he gets kicked out of the statue to the ground but he's still alive (both the player and NPC)

so i'm guessing it is related to a quest

[opaque rune]

I was summoned but i was not summoned, now I am confused

[woven sigil]

not a quest but at the Encircling Lake dock there's a guy called King of Flakes who's going "I gotta get out of Qinghe before that Midnight Blades guy catches on!"

[honest rain]

Discord won't alow me to send file, so 15 pictures it is

[opaque rune]

XD DeepL is ready ^^ In case it's Chinese

[honest rain]

Not deep, just very thorough

Aaaand, my english gave up on me

[opaque rune]

Mhhhh World is not supplementary as you get main info from there tho

Dark surges are more of notes while the actual info, main info, is in the bio's

[honest rain]

It is a side-function based on design hierarcy

[opaque rune]

I think you interpret too much into the design and not enough into the intricacy of the relationships

[honest rain]

I think you don't put enough weight into the fact it's a game as a medium, and design decisions were made based on "action directly leads to reward" logic

[woven sigil]

what were you arguing about

[honest rain]

@iron canyon @proper orbit @vague shoal my take on dark surge argument

[honest rain]

Who's gongzi that Feng Ruzhi met

[opaque rune]

Sry had to work, so: .... typing

While I see where the conjecture comes from and yes one could just accept that the mysterious gongzi is Ember, personally I tend to differentiate Ember here and the mysterious gongzi simply because it makes absolutely no sense to me, that the one behind the scene, the one fighting even with mind-control and basically zombies for the throne, who can control people with Gu, is in no way present in the whole Kaifeng part.

For me it makes more sense that we as YM (who is too young and too dumb as we already know) just places the person he knows as the mystery man.

Especially as YM still is somehow not aware why and how the calamity came to Blissful Retreat. That the reason so many including Yi Dao and Ruby died was because we had to play outside and were spotted by Li Zuo.

tldr; yes I understand now where the thought comes from tho i remain unconvinced not the least because Li Yu techncially, in the game, is "under" Li Zuo

[honest rain]

Alr, I see your point

I think tying Li Zuo to this plot is a bit of jumping the gun, but only time will tell how deep his schemes run

[opaque rune]

My issue is: Ingame Li Zuo controls southern Tang. Li Yu IS the Emperor of southern tang. So yeah am a bit unsure of everything due to this dynamic

[woven sigil]

I don't think Li Zuo controls Southern Tang directly, he controls Aureate Pavilion but they're portrayed as at odds with the Southern Tang leaders repeatedly

[honest rain]

But I do bite the idea of "we're reading YM's thoughts, and he makes mistakes sometimes", we can see it on map when he marks "Prosperity Haven" above area that we know locals separate into Prosperity+Tranquil+Tidal Haven

You know what could solve our disagreement?

If anyone got this thing screenshotef

[honest rain]

I see, I see

[woven sigil]

it's still in your inventory

[opaque rune]

Aureata IS Li Zuo, his is the Master of Aureate and Aureate controlls souther tang so he does

[honest rain]

Well, that's Ember sending letter

[opaque rune]

I have thos somewhere in the mountain of paper in my bag

I never delete anything XD

[honest rain]

For the "Master" in last point, I think Evil Translation Machine had to write "mastermind" [a known word used to describe Ember and Shimmer] but AI can "cut" long words, and we know they be using AI

[woven sigil]

Aureates don't fully control Southern Tang, it's mentioned in Qinghe surge that Tian Ying's assassination gave them influence over the court

[honest rain]

Devs are so funny, "let's give them compendium and then only put half of the papers there. The other half? Idk, leave it in the bag"

[opaque rune]

Gimme 15 minutes I look that part up in chinese

[woven sigil]

we get all 10 Shimmer notes as an individual entry even though we know they can stack chapters, but not any of the other notes in Supreme Freedom with actual important lore like Liang family or Shimmer stealing Feng Yi's letters

[honest rain]

They're so awful about the notes, fr

[opaque rune]

That actually supports my thought that the dev's WANT us to discuss and be just as confused as YM is ^^

[honest rain]

True wanderer in jianghu experience

[opaque rune]

I mean come on. 99% of the players forgot the bug crawling out of the Eye of the Well of Heaven Disciple the moment it happened ^^ Whilt is literally the reason for so many deaths

[honest rain]

I see they use “公子”, and the Masterminds dark surge is straight up called 公子 [use of “” follows the game]

In order: Rivermaster dark surge, cn and eng, with the Water Lady's escort fragment open, Masterminds cn and eng

[opaque rune]

I was more on the "Master" track about this one. The evil system 100% forked up the gongzi thing just like it does with webnovels where you have to guess is it "he", "she" or "they" XD

[honest rain]

Oh, don't get me STARTED on Evil Translation machine f-ing up pronouns

[opaque rune]

And neither of those two are the ones where I read the "master" thing in

[honest rain]

Ah, I just saw it in the dark surge we were discussing, so I thought it was from there too

[opaque rune]

Also master per se makes my annoyed af

Cause amount of way to say master...........

[willow cairn]

idk

[opaque rune]

Every time i read "brother" in English my brain starts to brainstorm WHICH "brother" it is in chinese because this is a different kind of relationship each time

[honest rain]

I'm grateful they at least did senior brother/sister for shixiongjie, but that's so bare minimum

[opaque rune]

I probably need to look up how they are calling the sect master... Cause.. Also 3 different way to call THAT XD

And I ask myself... We already have the Li Zuo difference... Could it be that Li Yu here is not southern Tang but somehow Jiangnan is for itself for some reason?

[honest rain]

I think it really depends on the sect, I can easily imagine WoH and SN using something different than say MB or HV, not to mention MT with the Troupe master

[proper orbit]

I usually just read the Chinese version of things in this game. Safest.. I think.

[opaque rune]

More like... Do they call it Zongzhu or Mengzhu?

It could also be Shizun, tho this one is actually grandmaster

Or do the call is something else entirely?

[honest rain]

Marshal for RT, Troupe master for MT, not sure for other

[opaque rune]

I also need to look if Ghost master is really called "Gui Gongzi"

[proper orbit]

I think the devs should stop translating certain words... especially terms of address.... just do hanyu pinyin...

[opaque rune]

cause Ghost Master would actually be Gui Zhuren, sry

[proper orbit]

"Unfated Tian"..... rolls eyes

[honest rain]

Sometimes you gotta make decisions between translation and adaptation.... just imagine "Mr.Ghost"

[opaque rune]

how is his pinyin name?

[opaque rune]

shudder

[honest rain]

Tian Bushou

[opaque rune]

gimme THAT pls

[honest rain]

But also... "Heavens don't respond". And yk.

[opaque rune]

Yes but NO, gimme back that one

[proper orbit]

Even if they wanted to, they should have translated to "Unacceptable by Heaven"

[opaque rune]

don't forking touch names and titles.... pweaaaaase

[proper orbit]

but then... poor Tian.. what did he do to deserve that name?!

[honest rain]

Or like Tian "Unfated" Bushou, english can handle a nickname

[proper orbit]

I think it would make great comedy if we were to translate all the chinese names in the game into english....

[honest rain]

||unfortunately, he commited a great sin of falling for straight woman when his rod is DIY||

[honest rain]

Isn't Zheng E's homonym to "very hungry"

[proper orbit]

E is not "hungry" lol

[honest rain]

Not the one in Zheng E's name, but my teacher def told me this when I studied

[proper orbit]

because he is 郑鄂

not 郑饿

lol

oh wait.. you explained it

my bad lol

[honest rain]

That's why I said homonym

[proper orbit]

yup yup haha

[north trench]

ed Homonim

[honest rain]

Tho, 郑 and 真 are much further that 鄂 and 饿

Close enough to be funny

[proper orbit]

oh I see it now. Zhen E.. haha

My mind was like "Zheng" and couldn't think of it as "zhen"

[honest rain]

I see

Have you seen Zheng Er from NMW?

[proper orbit]

lol and "Very Hungry" got in charge of the grain! hahahah

[proper orbit]

nope

[honest rain]

And his story tied to famine, devs thought they were funny

[proper orbit]

love it

[honest rain]

They have a few boss cosplayer on the base

I'm playing with cn sound, so after he said "So hungry" a few times it clicked for me

And Shen Yilun is real politician from the period....

[proper orbit]

NMW... is such a wild sect.... and probably the most annoying but the most fun

[opaque rune]

The funny thing is that his story and the story of the (one of the) purple calamity is exactly the same

[honest rain]

Dramatic rat

[proper orbit]

this topic is making me hungry. gonna grab a meal now ~

I'm truly 饿 now

gonna 吃 now

[honest rain]

Woah, lore channel educational

[opaque rune]

same actually, about hungry

[royal plover]

Is gongzi the first emperor of southern tang?

[woven sigil]

he's the last, technically never emperor as his dad surrendered the title after Chai Rong invaded

[opaque rune]

We are also still all not daccord which gongzi cause there are like dozens XD

[thorny timber]

Anyone can help me verify my Battle.net account?

[daring mural]

Hi everyone, I have another question.
My girlfriend is playing on the standalone client (NetEase version), and I'm playing on Steam. Is there any way to link or transfer her client account to a NetEase account so I can log in and help her with breakthroughs? Or are the Steam and NetEase/client accounts completely separate?
Thanks!

[idle reef]

There is a bind option in the events tab.

[jaunty steppe]

the only way to rewatch a main quest cutscene is to replay it right?

[opaque rune]

Or youtube. had to do that for Shimmer... No subs...

[woven sigil]

Every streamer is mandated to play the terrible dub, never read anything, and go "is that Ruby?" every time a child appears

[jaunty steppe]

yea i did but I wanna rewatch also since I accidentally skipped the yi dao cutscene back when I was on for whom does he return

also I accidentally skipped tales and echoes ending there were no guards 😭

I just accidentally clicked X and boom

[opaque rune]

Youtube ftw ^^

[slender jetty]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wazappp

[stone abyss]

[north trench]

young master become boomer

[tribal tulip]

What if you travel to another country for like 6 months? Is there anyway to change region?

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[proud yew]

There is another country in this game???

[tribal tulip]

No I’m asking not in the game. I mean its lagging if travel to another country and play it. Anyway to change to another region like SEA, NA, EU,…

[proud yew]

Ohh

Not really, created mine in SEA and im in OCE

Now that u mention it, i think there is lag, no wonder my dps is so low

[vague shoal]

Playing in OCE is the laggiest in SEA

[vague shoal]

People said your account will automatically switch to that region's server, but it will take a few days

[tribal tulip]

Ah cuz i have a SEA account and i move to USA. so it will automatically switch to NA after few days?

[grave cloak]

Which content creator (English) do y’all recommend for like quests and world backgrounds

[vague shoal]

wwm girl

[vague shoal]

That's what I heard, you might have to ask around more

[grave cloak]

Thanks🙏

[opaque rune]

You are not wrong

Though she needs to apply the real reason why Li Zuo can not be dadd... I mean our pops aka he immortal, horizontally uninterested and over 70 while his waifu is dead for 25 years (learned timeframes here, yay)

[meager meteor]

Ground truth

[wise steeple]

hello

[rigid totem]

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[royal plover]

Who talking here, woman voice?

Yingying?

[iron canyon]

||I realized aunt han is really attracting all the women huh... First tianbushou and then qianye (despite all her theories, she still appears as a woman so)||

[glass grove]

WAIT WHATT ELABORATE PLEASE

[iron canyon]

there's a book about tianbushou's one sided feelings w aunt han (it was her reason disguising as a man), but our aunt han already has her samoyed chu qing quan

[glass grove]

Oh my gods this is entertaining
Do you remember the book’s name please??

Also also do we know anything about chu’s appearance yet?

[iron canyon]

it's smth like well beneath the cold (I'm unsure of the name in english, it's found in still shore)

[iron canyon]

we actually do in a cn pv he had a face reveal👁️

[celest flume]

Yuh

[woven sigil]

not even CN it was in the Imperial Palace trailer at TGA

[royal plover]

What she talking about here

[celest flume]

Lowk forgot cuz i completed the c2 quest last year 😭

[woven sigil]

it's just Yingying having fallen for YM because of their idealism, the line's followed by Shimmer going "but noone is truly saved for long"

[glass grove]

GASPPP can u pls link me?? 🙏

[bleak adder]

ttt

[woven sigil]

Frost Beneath the Well

also Fleeting Glimpse of Beauty which is on a roadside near Starfall Spring

[atomic niche]

Can someone help me with my healer build

[celest flume]

#⚔️pvp-build-discussion
#🧐pve-build-discussion

[atomic niche]

Pve or pvp

[iron canyon]

*What if aunt han is her heavens here *

[woven sigil]

Tian gets as many books as Yi Dao, that's how really real it is

[opal meteor]

[slim turtle]

[split kraken]

[spare mural]

gragra~~

[slim turtle]

[elfin oriole]

ruby

[humble ledge]

[torn hearth]

[royal plover]

Shimmer look young for become emperor

[woven sigil]

he's only 25-26 but yeah they gave him the glowup like Zhao Er, really everyone should look like Big Zhao or Zhao Pu

[south bluff]

Is there anyone in here who has NEVER downloaded TikTok

[quaint jungle]

sorry kinda unfamiliar, shimmer is supposed to be emperor of which dynasty?

[mental ermine]

Ruler of Southern Tang (Jiang Nan). He's technically not an emperor

[south bluff]

Please help me and download off my link bruh😩

I could get some free shi

[mental ermine]

I don't tiktok

[south bluff]

All you have to do is download it then never touch it again

[fathom haven]

4

[placid canopy]

Hello everyone

Am new here

Hope am welcome

[grave sluice]

Weird loreeeee LOREEEEEE

[hallow kelp]

[sinful quail]

southern tang (jiangnan) was like a vassal state to the song dynasty. li yu (the shimmer) never called himself emperor, but instead ruler of southern tang

i think u mightve confused li zuo w the shimmer, li zuo is the last emperor of the tang dynasty

[mental ermine]

Li Yu (and his father Li Jing) were forced to downgrade themselves from emperor to "ruler"

Chai Rong beat Li Jing up real good lol

[rancid lake]

[ocean wedge]

[royal plover]

What different?

[honest rain]

In cn text of Frost Beneath the Well there's enough to imply that Tian is either transmask or woman masquerading as a man. I'm leaning towards transmask explanation, bc texts otherwise treat him as a man, so there's non-zero chance Water Lady and her Ferryman invented ||bottom surg||. [If a chapter comes out and has Dr.Tian gladly taking off the disguise, I'd switch on this topic, until then I'm going to believe this reading]

[mental ermine]

Sorry what do you mean? Titles have levels and "ruler", 国主 in chinese has no where the prestige of 皇帝 "emperor"

[honest rain]

At various points emperors were believed to be the closest to heavens, a sort of god-sent or descendants from dragons or some other high-prestige bs. Being downgraded to a ruler is like going from driving Ferrari to simple bicycle, nowhere near comparison

[ocean wedge]

[royal plover]

Why?

[mental ermine]

Got beaten up by Chai Rong basically. Tried to attack Later Zhou but lost territory instead and had to grovel

[mental ermine]

I'd say five dynasties period cemented the fact that emperors were as human (or inhuman) as it gets

[honest rain]

True-true
But the reputation work of previous generations got them high pedestal to fall from😆

[mental ermine]

Yep 😆

[modern karma]

youtube has nice guides

[manic rampart]

This game is so addictive playing for 3 hours straight 💀

[lapis mason]

rookie number

[thorny timber]

hi

[lusty patio]

Hexi almost here!

[glass grove]

Oh my god this is awesome this is so awesome

[jaunty steppe]

how does lu yangling know so much about us?

I guess because he is a flower messenger?

[pliant heath]

I am almost ready for it

30% left in keifeng

[unborn lichen]

dry month of February almost over

[iron canyon]

An interesting part of this is that the pronouns for tian for almost the whole text is "he". Only until the end, where it's stated how "he's" carefully disguising as a man, and how the "boatman" at the end is quotation marked, as long as she would turn back and have a look (but she never did). Even that line "they would never be together, the pronouns used is he over here [usually in chinese, if you're refering to a group of ppl with mix genders, the pronoun he is used]". Finally the last sentence, the hearts of two women would get closer, close enough to be intimate, yet forever apart. (The pic was from early parts of the story where because of his good social impressions, it's implied that in blissful retreat rumours abt if Tian or Jiang Wu Lang would be her husband XD. I feel like Tian most probably got to know aunt han in his "man" form instead of disguising halfway through )

[honest rain]

I'll have to sit down and properly go through Tian's text in cn bc I can't trust English texts. Like, in most other texts he is consistently put into male roles (like with children, you'd expect a woman hiding her identity to still be described as "motherly", but Tian is described rather "fatherly"), but is it consistent with how cn texts, or is this eng.team being weird about this again, or is this Evil Translation Machine

[glass grove]

I almost teared up reading the translated text. I wanna read a proper translation and cry properly

[iron canyon]

i think they want to potray Tian as much like a man, that everyone is pretty convinced and even treated him as a husband candidate for aunt han, just like what she has been doing for the 10+ years the mask has been on her for long

[honest rain]

Methink a cis person would go insane from keeping a mask for so long, gender dysphoria is diagnosable for a reason – the conflict of outer perception and innner state over prolonged period of time f-cks with ppl's heads too much
But I need to go through og texts to see for sure for this specific case (and, well, if we get any info that contradicts my theory in future appearances/mentions of Tian, I'd stand corrected)

[iron canyon]

perhaps when I'm free I can consider attempting make a translation of this ( at least this is written in modern chinese), but it's quite impossible to achieve 0 total loss, language barrier is a thing, and different people would interpret things differently even tho it's the same line

[iron canyon]

It's also possible, but a good motivation can drive people (I guess tian's feelings is so deep that despite the years of disguising, he's still willing to wait, still willing to support her no matter what happens, as long as they still remain in contact...)

[glass grove]

Whatever gender tian’s got going on and whatever gender ym’s got going on bc of the poor localization, I dig it.

[glass grove]

Yippee!! You’re the goat

[honest rain]

Seeing how wwm world is way less misogynistic (we see a lot of women in jianghu holding high positions and be treated with respect) and might be less homophonic (NPCs, but translation is questionable there, VS and player bond mechanics), and Qianye, I am inclined to believe there's way less pressure in this are... tho, it's not impossible.

[iron canyon]

I suppose we'll have to wait for more info i can tell they want to be as safe as possible but they're also confused themselves

[honest rain]

The player mechanics that's eng translated "relationship" is called smth like "paths bound" in cn, which is 50-50 on romantic implications, so it might not be much proof in this case

[iron canyon]

human relationships has always been a complicated topic which is also a part of the game's theme

[toxic crypt]

hello guys, whatsapp

[quaint jungle]

ahhhh is this more like when it was still 后周?

[honest rain]

But we should also give them some grace, the devs might've just written a decent trans character and just kept it as side information, instead of making it anyhow relevant to main story [imo, it'd be a good treatment of this info]

[Main Story, in this case, being specifically YM's adventure]

[sinful quail]

yes, southern tang became a vassal state in later zhou, and was still one during the song dynasty

[coarse maple]

Anyone know where Blackbeards hideout is lol? this npc seems like hes taken me on a wild goose chase.

[night raptor]

👍

[lyric kestrel]

anyone know the most rain-y location in global as of now, not through photo mode, but naturally rainy most of the time

[honest rain]

Heavenfall before you complete camping

[lyric kestrel]

i finished all 😩 , do you have any other place of recommendation?

[honest rain]

I think in other places it's p much same weather code running🤔

[lyric kestrel]

hmm.. not sure, in guild base, the weather for your end would follow your solo world, so if it is raining on your solo world, it would rain on the guild base for you, but not for other guild member

I remember my guild base rains like 60-70% of the time, and I like it that way... but I don't remember which location i am in solo mode at that time

😔

[pale lodge]

lore is nice 😮

[honest rain]

Ah, I see... sorry, I don't really recall such specifics. Might be your luck, or some location. In my experience all locations have equaly random weather, but I might be wrong [Sorrowfield village, Mistveil Forest and one village in Qinghe have special fog, but other than that it's all same imo]

[lyric kestrel]

I see, I will try and look for some location, thanks for the help Has, have a great day

[honest rain]

Good luck, mate🙏

[twilit stag]

you too

[limpid wolf]

THe English text is not that bad. At best you lose some more dramatic flair, buts its very apparent Tian is very thoroughly masculine presenting and either feels male, or has been living as a male long enough to become comfortable in that.

[honest rain]

The "sitting in the well" vs "sitting near the well" is enough for me to distrust eng translation on this topic in particular

But otherwise agree

[limpid wolf]

that dialogue there is absolutely wrecked, over-flowery, non sensical and devoid of any pacing

[mystic idol]

yeah qinghe and kaifeng are both in present day hebei province, yanyun 16 prefectures are approximately beijing and surrounding areas. Jiangnan is zhejiang to shanghai, to give you an idea of how it applies to current present day china geography

[north trench]

aren't Kaifeng in henan

[mystic idol]

oh yeah oops. kaifeng in henan qinghe in hebei*

you right

[north trench]

[long abyss]

it's hard to make sense of things in this game, the translation sure doesn't help

[spring thorn]

Can someone explain whats happening in Unnatural Omen, i'm so confused.|| Specifically how Jin Zhongyuan is related to A yuan and why is big zhao there?||

[woven sigil]

"Jin Zhongyuan" is just Zhao Guangyi undercover, like Big Zhao; he's the heir to the throne and the Xuanyuan cult are trying to manipulate/mind control him into killing his brother and seizing power because Big Zhao isn't ruthless enough