📖lore-chat

[honest rain]

System calls it Enlightenment level of smth

[limpid wolf]

breakthrough

Its the level that lets you increase level cap

[burnt wyvern]

ohhh, yeah i do it everytime.

i am trying to grind and get stronger more, before heading to another level up.

[honest rain]

You unlock new level gear on new breakthroughs, so all the grind you do to "prepare" becomes kinda redundant

[burnt wyvern]

i have noticed, it only fills my baggage only, with new gears just keeps piling up from the grinding, some gets sent to the message box, so good thing they made that auto-recycle thing.

blue ones mostly.

[next obsidian]

Anyone know why they name it nameless sword? What is the meaning of that?

[queen loom]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[mint spade]

He also never intended to pass it on to anyone else that's why everyone can recognize you as being trained by him

[honest rain]

Uncle didn't bother naming his style

[proper orbit]

Big Zhao was well known for his ability to lead troops, and for his battlefield courage, and I think most people would not doubt his ability to brawl and fight on the front lines with his men. However, I find almost no evidence that he was renowned, during Song times, for being a martial artist. I couldn't find any Song writings that would say that about him. He also didn't write any combat manuals apparently (or at least none that I could find). The famous Song Taizu Long Fist (which was often attributed to Big Zhao as the founder of the style) was actually first mentioned during the Ming-era by Qi Jiguang and one other (forgot the name), and that's about more than 560+ years after Big Zhao took the throne. Then there's the Shaolin connection where some people claimed that the Taizu Long Fist was also taught at Shaolin.. I have a feeling that this is an attribution that was given much later. Big Zhao probably had nothing to do with it but it might be prestigious for the first teachers of the style to attribute the boxing style to him. Then Jinyong, the famous Wuxia novelist, gave praise to Big Zhao's mastery of the Taizu Long Fist.. and that helped fuel the popular belief that Big Zhao was a great martial artist..

[meager kiln]

It was pretty confusing to understand but is Aunt Han and Uncle Jiang part of the Hanging Blades?

Or is Tian Ying the one in Hanging Blades and Aunt Han and Uncle Jiang are kind of their own mini groups.

[fringe olive]

So they capture yingying in the end with chains ? Can we release her or was she released later?

[scenic obsidian]

Big Zhao and Prime Time Big Zhao

[scenic obsidian]

Actually, there are clearly Chinese historical writing about Big Zhao’s martial power.

[proper orbit]

Could you share?

I have seen some of the historical accounts of his actions during the various battles he participated in, including the one where he personally killed an enemy general who challenged him.

That's why I don't doubt his ability to brawl, fight, and kill in battle, and most importantly the ability to command troops and use them effectively against foes.

[scenic obsidian]

尝试恶马，不施衔勒……额触门楣坠地，众谓首碎，太祖徐起，复追马投鞚，一无所伤。

宋史·太祖本纪

“太祖常用大棒，以其质重而有力。”

宋·沈括《梦溪笔谈》

[proper orbit]

yup I have read this before

[mint spade]

Put it this way...

Martial artists with fancy magical kung fu don't exist in real life.

All the famous historical martial artists evolved from brawling in the mud...

[scenic obsidian]

宋·司马光《涑水记闻》

“太祖少时，与同辈饮酒。有大鸟飞过，太祖引弓一发而坠。”

I know the primary language of this channel is English, but if we talking about Chinese character I have to post the original text.

Otherwise, things will get difficult to puzzle

[limpid wolf]

There is also the story of him taming an unbridled horse, slamming his head into the city gate and catching up on the horse on foot

[proper orbit]

I understand. I have read these and many of these are annals written hundreds of years after he died.

[scenic obsidian]

Basically Big Zhao is good at using war hammer and Chinese War Club， also sharp on bow

[limpid wolf]

IN the in game lore it seems they have went with treating these anecdotes as actrual history. So thats why I mentioned them, even if apocryphal

[proper orbit]

And many of these anecdotes would claim that he is strong, aggressive, and hardy. No doubt too, because he was very aggressive in the Song contemporary writings and achieved a great deal during the battles.

[mint spade]

So in your eyes, what kind of records would make him a historical martial artist?

[proper orbit]

I just don't think that any of these writings can be evidence that he was a renowned martial artist

[scenic obsidian]

So remember, Chinese history are incredibly long, so the recorder treat every word with really high weight, so the actual description might be really short, but it means the person in the description was legit.

[foggy tiger]

nothing against big zhao but i think an average potato in ancient times probably considered strong aggressive hardy to modern folk

[proper orbit]

He was a great general and can fight on a muddy and chaotic battlefield.. but being a martial artist , like the founder of Taizu Long Fist.. quite a stretch maybe

[proper orbit]

I actually think that many of these writings were written by scholars (earlier) and playwrights (later in Yuan Ming era)..

And many of the Song era writings were meant to praise the founder of the dynasty

[mint spade]

I don't know if you know this but martial arts is evolved to fight and kill.

People who can survive a brawl on the battlefield is not nameless mooks Wuxia would have you believe, if they make a name for themselves they're top tier masters

[proper orbit]

and perhaps even make him seem legendary

[scenic obsidian]

It really depends on which perosn created the record， like the well known royal court giant 司马光, his word is probably legit as hell.

[scenic obsidian]

Nah, many of the war record can trace to the writing of the previous dynasty.

Which Big Zhao haven’t even crowned

[proper orbit]

Big Zhao, if the Song writers who praised him were right, apparently did manage to personally kill on the battlefield, so definitely no doubt that he can fight.

[scenic obsidian]

Cause Big Zhao is the head of royal guard during the late Zhou Dynasty. Which is pretty much empire's body guard and secret service

His father already served in the royal guard system

[proper orbit]

After reading all these writings, including the pre-Song writings you mentioned, I think he is a strong, aggressive, and decisive commander, especially of cavalry troops. And I think that is it. Most of the other stuff, like how people in Ming and today say that he is a great martial artist, write wulin manuals, and stuff... I think those are a little sketchy

Not saying he can't kill. Or fight.

[mint spade]

The fact that he is a royal guard captain alone, even if he didn't become an emperor and get all sorts of legendary title buffs on him

[proper orbit]

He certainly could.

[mint spade]

Puts him above most Jin Yong protagonist power level, you know

[proper orbit]

I get what you're saying. Like I said, the writings show that he is aggressive, he is strong, he killed, he led troops, and he won battles.

[scenic obsidian]

From the stand point of an empire hand picking someone to take care of his safety. Which is pretty much already certified in any sort of combat both close range or long range.

Cause he is the one lead the crew to deal with the assassins

and guard the palace day and night

Maybe there was much direct record about martial arts because martial arts wasn’t really seriously recorded until late Song Dynasty.

[proper orbit]

What you say is not wrong, but I have a feeling that simply by being a commander of a royal guard would not mean that you are a great fighter. People have been chosen (for the guard commander role; not the guards themselves) mostly for reliability, and trustworthiness and ability to command guard troops and have intricate knowledge of imperial grounds and processes and security operations.

[scenic obsidian]

He wasn’t appointed out of nowhere. He and his father were normal royal guard at first, then he he raised to commanding level after about a decade.

[proper orbit]

I understand. I'm not saying he was appointed out of nowhere

[scenic obsidian]

So he did work as frontline bodyguard for a long period of time during probably one of the dangerous periods in Chinese history.

Which a lot of people wants to kill the emperor everyday.

[proper orbit]

Hmm you might misunderstand what I am saying. If you read everything I wrote above, I don't doubt his ability to kill. I am doubting the attribution of martial art lineages to him (560+ years later) and also that he wrote martial arts manuals. There are simply no evidence of that.

[scenic obsidian]

I have already stated martial arts wasn’t seriously recorded until late song dynasty

[proper orbit]

Just like how there seems to be no solid evidence that Yue Fei created Yue family spear style and General Yang creating Yang family spear style. I was critical of such attributions much later that some martial arts schools would name their styles after famous people.

[scenic obsidian]

And we can even find some early record of Big Zhao,

The closest we can get is from here.

《宋史·兵志》：

太祖亲临教阅，各以其能而进退之……有能挽强弩、跳荡、越深、凌高者，悉增其赐。

[proper orbit]

If you read this, you are reading the description of him overseeing training inspections, and choosing men based on their abilities.

Pretty much what is expected of a military commander.

[scenic obsidian]

Which is pretty what martial artist do at that time.

[proper orbit]

sigh okay

based on the ancient writings, all I see is, this is a renowned military commander.

[scenic obsidian]

Because normal people wasn't allow to carry weapon. The rise of martial arts were after the government loose the restrict on that.

Which is in the late Song Dynasty

You gonna get your entire family executed if you own over four pairs of sword at home and two set of armors.

[proper orbit]

I mean, if you guys like to paint him as a great martial artist, it is open to interpretation. I think that's fine.

But I also think it fair for another school of thought about his actual skills to exist

That is more grounded and subtle

[scenic obsidian]

The "Military Fitness" Standards he set (《宋史·兵志》):
He personally trained his elite guards in four core martial skills:

1. 挽强弩 (Power): Pulling heavy crossbows to build back and leg strength.
2. 跳荡 (Explosive Agility): The art of the "Shock Trooper"—closing gaps instantly to strike.
3. 越深 (Spatial Movement): Leaping across trenches and obstacles.
4. 凌高 (Scaling): Mastering vertical combat and height.

You can say the first one wasn’t related to martial arts, but the last three are definitely school of thoughts

[proper orbit]

I was in the infantry, and some of these (leaping across trenches and obstacles; scaling) were practical skills to overcome obstacles.

and Big Zhao, as commander of troops, would need his men to be good at some of these

Like I mentioned before, I think he is a good leader and commander of troops

Just like Yue Fei was

[north trench]

what is vertical combat

[proper orbit]

you tell me

[north trench]

red echo jade

[scenic obsidian]

Ling Gao (凌高) refers to the martial mastery of verticality and high-altitude combat, encompassing the explosive strength to scale fortifications, the balance to fight on narrow ledges, and the technique to leap from heights without injury. In Zhao Kuangyin’s military system, it wasn't just "climbing," but the ability to surmount obstacles with speed and "soar" over the environment to seize the tactical high ground, a skill that eventually evolved into the "Lightness Skills" (Qinggong) found in later Chinese martial arts.

[proper orbit]

sigh..

infantrymen will tell you how it really is like i guess.

but hey, this is wuxia

let's just go with it.

[scenic obsidian]

Cause the assassin can come from anywhere in the palace, from the top of the roof, from the bottom of the royal well, even from the kitchen table.

So you have to able to defend the emperor from all directions.

[proper orbit]

okay. let him be a great martial artist.

inventor of Song Taizu Long Fist.

mentioned 560+ years later

by Qi Jiguang

[scenic obsidian]

I am feeling we just falling in the gap of historical writing. Because martial arts is a concept developed way later due to government restrictions on weapons and metals.

[proper orbit]

actual martial skills, in my view, like someone mentioned earlier, is literally a set of skills that are practically used to kill

[scenic obsidian]

Especially Chinese historians spending every word like gold, just for examples. One of the most handsome men in Late Han Dynasty was record like this："
《三国志.吴书》
瑜长壮有姿貌
IYu grew up to be tall, strong, and exceptionally handsome."

[proper orbit]

and I believe Big Zhao has these skills to some degree

because it was his job to lead men into the fray

[scenic obsidian]

"
《三国志.吴书》
瑜长壮有姿貌
In his youth, Yu grew up to be tall, strong, and exceptionally handsome."

That's it

[proper orbit]

and the only stuff I doubt are claims that he invented the Song Taizu Long Fist because there was no evidence for that except some anachronistic attributions much much later.

[mint spade]

You're literally arguing in circles.

"I know he taught people how to be good at fighting, I know he's good at fighting, I know he trained himself to be a fighter... I just don't think he's a martial artist"

[scenic obsidian]

No description on what kind of alpha male he is

[mint spade]

Like wut bro? What is a martial artist to you then, literally, give me an example so I know how you categorize famous martial artists

[proper orbit]

right from much earlier, I mentioned Song Taizu Long Fist..

and I doubt it was attributable to him

that was the main argument

doubting that it was attributable to him doesn't mean I don't think he was a good commander of front line troops or that he could kill.

I hope you get where I am coming from

There were no evidence that he invented that and that he wrote combat manuals..

[scenic obsidian]

I am pretty sure Big Zhao is not born with natural super power like the Hulk.

So he wasn’t fight with his instinct

[proper orbit]

Alright I give up. It's fine.

[scenic obsidian]

So it must be martial arts.

[proper orbit]

Sure.

[scenic obsidian]

Hulk is not natural I am sorry, bad example

[proper orbit]

It's alright guys.

Just leave it here.

[scenic obsidian]

And another point. Even the writing in the later Ming dynasty attributed their style of martial arts to Big Zhao(Song Taizu), they sure have their references, because we have so many emperors are great military commanders. Why is not Tang Taizong Long Fist? Why is not Han Shizong Long Fist? In terms of military commanding abilities Big Zhao is only Top five/Top Ten in all the great emperors in Chinese history, but he is the only one mentioned with martial arts even the Song dynasty wasn’t pretty good at fighting with foreign enemies.

[proper orbit]

I think we’re talking past each other.My point was never “he wasn’t capable of fighting,” only that there’s no solid historical evidence attributing specific martial systems or manuals to him. Leadership, battlefield experience, and personal combat skill aren’t the same as founding a codified martial art. Anyway, I’m good to leave it here.

[mint spade]

Though the Song sucked at fighting off the Khitans, they sure beat up the other Han Chinese real good

[proper orbit]

yea lol

[mint spade]

We see "oh look Zhao two ran away on a donkey cart" but we don't see "50000 Song Soldier faces coalition army of 200000. Song routes."

[scenic obsidian]

That's probably why Taizu’s Long Fist wasn’t that popular during Song Dynasty LOL.

[proper orbit]

or maybe it didn't exist at all, until some dude name it that later 😛

[scenic obsidian]

It could be Tang Taizong Long Fist or Han Shizong Long Fist. But none of them instead of Song Taizu

[mint spade]

Plot twist: Big Zhao is inspired by Uncle Jiang and names his fist art and staff art Nameless Fist and Nameless Staff so they can claim us as his son/daughter.

[scenic obsidian]

That’s probably really decisive.

[mint spade]

Then later historians rectify it to Taizu Long Fist and Coiling Dragon Staff

[proper orbit]

好吧哥们，你相信就行 I'm not gonna analyze it like this lol

[scenic obsidian]

Probably not, in the new chapter just updated in the Chinese server. Big Zhao already punching the wanderer in his prime form as a Boss.

What kind of parent is that

[scenic obsidian]

Say butt

[proper orbit]

it will be really wild if we are somehow related lol

[mint spade]

That's why I said claim, not recognize.

We in northern China, you call a bro who treats you to seafood buffet “义父” round these here parts

Is it too much for him to teach us nameless fist and nameless staff

Then we say our nameless arts is taught by someone like a father to us, referring to Uncle Jiang

And then people mistaken this as you being the adopted son of Big Zhao? Don't underestimate northern Chinese people's thick faces in claiming relationships

[scenic obsidian]

Jesus, Lu Bu teach you really well.

[proper orbit]

lol 三姓家奴

[mint spade]

Lu Bu is a northerner

[scenic obsidian]

三姓家奴 The inferrer with three family name.

Lu Bu’s family name is Lu which is from his biological father.

And after he grew up, he was adopted by one of the powerful warlord in late Han Dynasty named Ding Yuan

So Ding became his second family name

Then he murdered his step father

And deliver his head to his step father’s political enemies powerful warlord Dong Zhuo

And asksed Dong Zhuo to adopt him instead

So Dong became his third family name.

However, due to the fact Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu had crushed on the same hot chick.

Lu Bu was jealous and furious, so he did again.

But this time no powerful warlord wants to adopt him as their son.

So the Inferrer with three family name became Lu Bu’s nickname

BTW, Lu Bu is probably even stronger than Big Zhao in combat

[final fossil]

Can someone tell me what characters to search for in rednote for general wang qing?

[scenic obsidian]

王清

Try this

[scenic obsidian]

王清

[north trench]

jesus in Chinese

[mystic idol]

tbh you don't need historical evidence when it might be lost or just not recorded. if the original people believe that their martial art system come from same school of thought as his, then that's enough

this reminds me of historians trying to argue something thats more art or philosophy, asking for concrete evidence for abstract thoughts -- he may not have invented the specific style, but the creator of said style might credit him with it because they themselves are aware of what school of thought they took inspiration from.

[scenic obsidian]

Since one of the sexest men in Late Han Dynasty was literally just recorded with 7 words in the history book for how he looks: “Yu is tall, strong and exceptionally handsome”

Chinese historical records are often too concise

We don’t even know whether Yu looks like Jackie Chan or Jet Li

[hidden kelp]

Tbf people attribute stuff to earlier famous people all the time in order to gain broader appeal and legitimation. Lol Not saying the relationship can't be real but when things get filtered through the passage of time, I take everything with a grain of salt. Seeing how actively 'history' is being edited in real time today, personally I ascribe to a degree of caution to claims made long after the fact.

[scenic obsidian]

Another example would be one of the greatest Martial Art Philopshoer of All time the great Bruce Lee

The word Mix Martial Arts（MMA） that we seen today was never in any of his book

but everyone claim he is the inventor of MMA, mostly attributed to his famous martial philosophy such as “Be Water”

There are some early sign that he took some inspirations and moves from other school of martial arts such the super kick from Taekwondo, and pacing from Boxing and Fist combat from Wing-Chun into his school of martial arts Jeet Kune Do

But it was not even close to the modern day MMA.

And that happened under our eyes in couple decades

[hidden kelp]

(okay but real talk tho, I love dev made young Big Zhao hot. 😂 now we can have a complete Zhao bros thirst sandwich)

[remote wave]

I GOT SPOILED IN TIKTOK WHEN I SAW HIM

[hidden kelp]

Oh we are spoiled indeed

[mint spade]

He shoulda been a big barrel bodied guy like Marvel Rivals Thor

[honest rain]

I think if he takes off the armor, he'd have more realistic build (like the one we see in Main Story, just slimer), but big shoulder pieces + little bulk on open legs create impression of Superman upside-down triangle build

But also look at Wang Qing cutscene they aren't trying to go for realistic generals

Another victim of evil translation machine (head of Lone Cloud)

[paper rampart]

That’s obvious she’s a man in text but a woman in speech.

[hidden kelp]

The translator looked at the descriptions and said she is HIM

[honest rain]

Tbf, I don't think cn description used any pronouns, so machine gets easy treatment on this one
Not the translation team, though, they're getting paid to catch these things

For anyone interested

[hidden kelp]

Yeah I know I was just memeing lol

[honest rain]

There's a certain charm in "I know the context, I'm ignoring it for the laughs" approach

[hidden kelp]

We're all he/him on the internet

[opal aurora]

Aye, could someone explain what a treasure basin is?

[prime fog]

tldr: piggy bank

[honest rain]

Magic money-making bowl

[opal aurora]

Oh, and knowing that they're going to make money out of thin air, a treasure basin is basically going to be the place where said money appears, right?

[scenic obsidian]

Time to clear your sin

[honest rain]

Righ meow

[honest rain]

Have you gotten to Revelry Hall yet?

[opal aurora]

I've just gotten to kaifeng city

[honest rain]

Oh, just progress, you'll see it demonstrated in cutscenes and then explained by plot

[opal aurora]

Hmmm, thanks!

[honest rain]

"Wtf is treasure basin" is also the question YM asks a few times in the plot, and the plot provides its favorite reckless teenager with answers

[opal aurora]

YM is young master, correct?

Oh, alright

[iron canyon]

when he brought us to sneak in the revelry hall to the heroes assembly in the velvet shade costume he said he's as good looking as his lil brother

we'll be patient if that means better quality work

[iron canyon]

those big people are kinda just "acting" in a sense around our poor ym who is totally oblivious of how high our status is

[steep isle]

young big zhao big chad

[honest rain]

All of them are pulling the plot to work out to their own benefit too. It's like only YM, little sisters and Zheng E are somewhat aligned with good of people instead of some vague ideal or good of their organization/territory

I don't care what big Zhao says, good of Kaifeng =/= good of people of Kaifeng

[iron canyon]

yep they're all having the same aim but also having their own plans and grudges underneath but at the same time kinda messing around with ym since they couldn't afford making uncle jiang or aunt han their enemies, if you think abt it our poor lil zhao thought he got some reliable allies but everyonee did their stuff in the end😭

[paper rampart]

Who the heck is YM? Ypstein Miles?

[iron canyon]

young master

[honest rain]

Honestly, can't even be mad at Zhao Er for giving YM 7-day-death pill. I think it was just a few minutes as he realized everyone, even his brother, had their own game right under his nose, and now there's this annoying teen-

[paper rampart]

… we transition from MC to YM now?

[honest rain]

At least Zhang Cuo didn't try to f- mr.prefect over during Heroes Assembly, he got someone😂

[honest rain]

It's variety package: MC, YM, YW (young wanderer), shaodongxia if someone is feeling spicy

[iron canyon]

but i believe zhao er and big zhao's relationship is pretty close it's just that probably big zhao doesn't want to intefere too much to let zhao er handle and learn in the meantime

[iron canyon]

or shaodongggua if you're feeling silly

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[honest rain]

Agree, but Zhao Er has all rights to be upset immediately out of conversation with big Zhao. His brother doesn't trust him to the point of sneaking into his meeting! And he brought some kid along! Everything went wrong, and now he finds out his brother was sneaking around to check on his work, ofc Zhao Er is upset

Maybe "upset" is not the right word, but like "in a sour mood"

I actually love how the characters in WWM aren't static, but some of their decisions/actions can be clearly explained by their moods and emotions and state of their mental health in the moment

[iron canyon]

totally could imagine it tho i think zhao er is aware to a certain extend but probably not the whole picture only after he "ask" big zhao privately (cause why would he bring around a pill)

[iron canyon]

it's all these details that make the characters alive even the small actions and gestures are really cute too

[honest rain]

Probably why he decided to give YM a threat and some work, instead of executing a nobody-trespasser on the spot, aunt Han is too scary

I don't think the pill was shown in story/cutscete, so I imagined it's possible that YM was brought to Prefect's office under guard supervision and given the pill there. That's why I'm very 50/50 on the pill being real or not. Also, head of VS is clearly in on Zhao's politics, she could've been the one to provide the pill – they were on her base of operations after all

Or Zhao Er could've just fed YM some candy and told him "it's going to kill you in 7 days, so go work😾"

[iron canyon]

he gave the pill on the spot (i still remember clearly because there were options of just taking it / fight back physically, i chose fighting back and the moment the guards slashed me the cutscene changed and he fed me the pill XD)

[honest rain]

Both Zhao brothers crossdressing as normal people is a really fun concept, and Zhao Er is the one who has a whole persona to it too... I'm afraid he'd be the one to write elaborate characters for DnD campaigns😂

[honest rain]

I should refresh my memory on this then, thanks

[iron canyon]

its a measure to protect ym and also have ym to do some work (after all even knowing ym's identity and all the chaos happened in everyone's eyes, ym in everyone's eyes broke the rules still and was even holding the treasure basin)

[iron canyon]

the contrast is really big and that adds to his charm

[paper rampart]

进中原

[honest rain]

And also Zhao Er can take out some of his frustration on YM, nobody would fault him for "punishing the criminal"😂

[honest rain]

With all the sneaking out happening, I can't help but imagine Zhao Er going on his little adventure only to run into Hallmasters of Bloodscale Hall and Jade Serpent Hall meeting Master of Grain. Poor guy thought he had another conspiracy on his hands, but it's just siblings sneaking out to meet outside of work hours

There's no proof, but in my heart it happened (bc it'd be a fun chaos)

[iron canyon]

a win win situation for him

[iron canyon]

all these sneaking out wanting to investigate himself and somehow fell into xuanyun cult's hands😭 but that's also a possible scenario too

[torpid crag]

is it safe to reverse main story quests to replay and understand story better?

[iron canyon]

definitely recommend to reverse the story quests if you want to understand it better, there's so much details that is easily missed out at the first time

[honest rain]

Yes! It places you in time capsule of sorts. You can't get distracted and your main world stays unaffected

[torpid crag]

slow month too, guess its time to replay, ive been watching lore videos and theres so much that didnt click the first time

[honest rain]

With the number of cultists around Wansheng town, it's no wonder he run into them. You can say, Zhu Yu's kids are a needle in this haystack

[iron canyon]

zhuyu is really significant, we literally got whooped by her husband, daughter and apprentice 😭

[honest rain]

What can I say, red-sleeved swordsman would've been a boss herself, if she wasn't dead. The only living family member we didn't fight got alcoholism coping mechanism instead of pure rage

Zhu Yu got a taste for insane people. Can't help but imagine what would be of Silver Needle if she stayed around😂

[iron canyon]

she made herself a name nevertheless

[honest rain]

She really went "SN doesn't allow my methods, oh, well, Kaifeng loved me" and established Imperial Medical Academy. Queen

[lime crest]

Yes

[deep lion]

Do we know anything about the guy that appears at the end of the cutscene when we fight the first boss as unc jiang? The one who controls the flies or sum

[iron canyon]

when no one is willing to take thee risks she went straight wanting to make changes i really hope one day they make a face reveal for her

[honest rain]

Not much on our side, other than small appearance in Campaign – Gleaming Abyss, but CN ver got some updates

[honest rain]

She so deserves a face, as much as Wang Qing

[iron canyon]

we've got wang qing, i think we can put some hope on zhuyu

[lime crest]

[sudden shard]

I found this comment on bilibili lol

[proper orbit]

My eyes.. what have I seen lol

[iron canyon]

[final fossil]

I was like "oh? 👀" and the i was like "OH 💀"

[acoustic storm]

Watching YT WWM Girl mentions some words are dropped or not included (not on purpose) given the translation grammar. One such instance is where a chinese sentence (includes) to mean, 'brother' (reference to MC's uncle) but is not there in the English version.

So is Aunt Han || (Han Xiangxun) really MC's aunt or a shapeshifting fake?||

[iron canyon]

not blood related but she has been hiding her identity for quite some time iirc, i'm curious what makes you think like this👀

[acoustic storm]

Because she is also revealed as the || Water Lady ||

[wicked magnet]

basically, Aunt Han use to be a servant with her twin and was used as toy for (im not sure about this) the Witch when they were young.
then she and her twin escape and her twin push her so she can escape and he stay behind

she was save from the lake by someone and that how she know as "Water Lady"

She, Unc Jiang, Tian ying later meet each other and become friend, uncle later brought us to her to help raising us
She also a disguise master (one of thousand faces or something like that)

she helping to house the nameless one (the people who act as spy for the country and are forgotten and later on get chased)

[paper rampart]

I betcha yao yaoyao is our final villain

[mint spade]

Yao yaoyao's secret base of power is the miaomiao miaos scattered across the world

[acoustic storm]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Appreciate it!

[vague shoal]

They didnt even get the chance to act as spies, the face changing operation failed and they are stuck there to protect the secret

[wicked magnet]

yea, that why Aunt Han try to save them, cause they are consider hero when they give up everything for the country.

[abstract pewter]

Hmm then am I not a hero cuz I killed 100 npc at kaifang entrance

[acoustic storm]

I killed one by mistake and got thrown in jail
How'd you get away with that?

[abstract pewter]

I killed all the guards also who can to capture me

[acoustic storm]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-blood-bath-daniel-craig-kate-mckinnon-saturday-night-live-massacre-gif-16620291

[abstract pewter]

Yah it was

Maybe......

[iron canyon]

you can avoid the guards by staying in the water but you might get a bounty and real players would come to hunt you

[abstract pewter]

I killed them also

[acoustic storm]

Yup, bounty is what got me (before I got to know how to avoid it)

[crimson birch]

lowkey wish we can get wang qing arena cutscene 3d model in game inside the journal tab. but i've seen great face tunes on xhs so i guess i can live with that

[crimson birch]

even the fudanshi is shocked

[proper chasm]

😩

[iron canyon]

i swear those players are insane in recreating the characters face they look so alike the original

[acoustic storm]

Oh! I prefer the Mandarin voiceover for the female MC to the english. Sounds more mature

[vast glade]

||she IS his aunt,not biologically tho||

[vast glade]

wang Qing you mean uncle jiang's adoptive father yes? the one who's the potrait for arena tab and perception forest?

[scenic obsidian]

Technically they both work with band of Hanging sword

Aunt Han is basically a plastic surgeon with magical touch

Uncle Jiang and Aunt Han both working with the band of Hanging sword to help their campaign of beating the Khitai invaders to reclaim the lost sixteen cities in the northern part of China.

Uncle Jiang is more like a task master

Aunt Han was running the underground clinic to help members of the Hanging sword to change their appearance for undercover missions to reclaim the lost 16 cities

So you can see many people hiding under the hospital, those are the ones had a failed plastic surgery.

They lost their face forever and the only thing they can do is to stay in the underground infrastructure to pray

[paper rampart]

They can play flute

[scenic obsidian]

The Band of Hanging swords were established by Chai Rong, which is the second empire of the late Zhou Dynasty.

He is step father of the Lucky seventeen

They call him Big Dragon

Because the word dragon pronounce like Long in Chinese, which is pretty close to Rong

He had a famous quote

[mental ermine]

He's dragon because he's the emperor

[scenic obsidian]

Not really

[paper rampart]

Nope

[scenic obsidian]

He established the organization before he became the crown prince

[paper rampart]

☝️

[scenic obsidian]

When he was 17

He became the emperor 16 years later

[paper rampart]

Guo Rong was a strong soldier of Hedong

[scenic obsidian]

So Chai Rong and Guo Rong is the same person

[paper rampart]

Exactly.

[mental ermine]

Oh im wrong then

[scenic obsidian]

The reason why he have two name is because he was adopted by his uncle in law Guo Wei

[paper rampart]

Nope. We corrected you. You are never wrong.

[scenic obsidian]

Guo Wei was the founding emperor of the Late Zhou Dynasty

So Chai Rong changed his name to Guo Rong

So Chai Rong is one of the most brilliant emperor in the era of five dynasty and ten kingdoms

[mental ermine]

Founded AD948

So when he's around 27 I see

[paper rampart]

He won’t be if yanyun wasn’t given away.

[scenic obsidian]

He had a famous quote: Give me Ten years to win the world. Ten years to restore the people. Ten years to secure peace.

[foggy tiger]

It sound a lot more epic in Chinese

[scenic obsidian]

So he was basically trying to reclaim the 16 cities occupied by Khitai in ten years。

[scenic obsidian]

The crazest part is Chai Rong never was a military commander until he became the emperor

[mental ermine]

Too bad bro didnt last 10 years

[scenic obsidian]

When he made this claim

His royal court laughed at him

Because Chai Rong never command more than 200 men

However, Chai Rong was a different beast

It took him 3 months to reclaim most of the long lost 16 cities

Which is insane because he almost get the job done

And beat everyone’s expectation

But the tragedy hit fast

[paper rampart]

朕当以十年开拓天下、十年养百姓、十年致太平，上天只给了他五年…

[scenic obsidian]

He was died the day when his man conquered the southern capital of the Khitai in the 16 cities

And because the power vacuum

His troop have to forfeit all the land that was gained during the three months of epic military campaigns

[sudden shard]

Like he just want to proves that he can do it 😅 but he's fast tho, to reclaim 16 cities in 3 months

How did he die?

[paper rampart]

Cancer

[scenic obsidian]

Illness

[paper rampart]

Fine dust in Asia is super poisonous

Especially in 🇨🇳

[scenic obsidian]

He asked the Mandate of Heaven gave him 30 years to get the job done. But the Mandate of Heaven only gave him seven years.

[sudden shard]

At that time

[mental ermine]

i'm enjoying his character in 太平年

[scenic obsidian]

And Big Zhao was the commander of the royal guard of Chai Rong

[sudden shard]

That's so sad. He even didn't get chance to enjoy his glory after reclaiming 16 cities

[scenic obsidian]

They are buddies

[mental ermine]

?

[paper rampart]

I never know someone’s actually watch it… i am on episode 26 or something

[mental ermine]

bruh it's so good

[scenic obsidian]

The good news Chai Rong’s legacy was passed on with the band of the Hanging Sword

And our players is somehow the continuation of his dream.

To reclaim the lost 16 cities

Uncle Jiang is part of that

Aunt Han is part of that

Big Zhao is part of that

[mental ermine]

im at ep 24 now lol

[scenic obsidian]

And even Tian Ying is part of that

[mental ermine]

feng dao is still the boss though

[sudden shard]

I was looking at Chai Rong's wikipedia, and come to this point. Is it 973? The year his son died

[scenic obsidian]

Yes…

Big Zhao took his crown

So Big Zhao was commanding to be the top military official to defend the Khitai invasion from the north

[sudden shard]

Who is feng dao?

[scenic obsidian]

And in a place call Chenqiao Military Base

Big Zhao’s close men pull a Emperor’s rob out of nowhere

And “forced” Big Zhao to wear it

[mental ermine]

oh i was referring to the cdrama. in wwm he's mentioned in passing only, iirc with regards to the wenjinguan (can't rmb the english name). He was a chancellor of 5 dynasties in kaifeng (including khitan)

[scenic obsidian]

So they can crown the Big Zhao as the new emperor of their coup

[mental ermine]

oh yeah funnily enough tianying was his student before he joined the hanging blades

[sudden shard]

Dang, i guess he moves around 😅

[mental ermine]

nah he doesn't, everyone else moves and he stays

[sudden shard]

Wei renpu also his master right?

After join hanging blade(?)

[mental ermine]

yeah

[scenic obsidian]

Then Big Zhao forced the son of Chai Rong 8 year old at that time which is the current emperor to gave up his crown

[mental ermine]

after leaving 文津馆

[sudden shard]

Does this mean to protect his child? Or anything else

[scenic obsidian]

It’s complicated

Big Zhao is pretty much bully the child emperor with his iron fist

But he tried to make it peaceful

The good news is nobody in the royal family was killed

And this is one of most peaceful coup in Chinese history

Big Zhao ordered his man don’t touch anyone related to Chai Rong

And his man followed

[sudden shard]

I wonder if we will meet chai rong's son in game at Kaifeng imperial palace, but i doubt it

[scenic obsidian]

Probably not.

They are not in Kaifeng

They were migrated to Jinyang

Which is the hometown of Chai Rong

Big Zhao is super kind in terms of a founding emperor of a new dynasty

[vast glade]

bad news is we are around year 10 of the 500 years it takes for chinese dynasties to finally take yanyun back from the khitans.......

[scenic obsidian]

Not from Khitans

from Mongols

[vast glade]

unless they deviate from currently history ofc

[scenic obsidian]

400 years later in Ming Dynasty

[vast glade]

aren't the mongols descendants from the kithans?

[scenic obsidian]

Not really, they have a bloody relationship

[wide trellis]

Who was the person who wrote a letter to uncle Jiang to rescue tianying?

[scenic obsidian]

No clear clue

[vast glade]

wasn't it little zhao ?
he's more or less prime suspect atp bro is SNEAKY

[scenic obsidian]

Maybe Uncle Chen instead

Uncle Chen know Tian Ying as well

[paper rampart]

You met him before as a world boss.

[scenic obsidian]

And he was gone from our world

Probably Uncle Chen

[wide trellis]

Who's that?

[paper rampart]

Wei.

[hidden kelp]

He was a boss? No wei

[paper rampart]

… go fight tian ying. The statue behind him is Wei.

[hidden kelp]

Never noticed I was too busy dying

[paper rampart]

Nvm.

It’s either liu mingchao or wei renpu.

[scenic obsidian]

Wei Renpu was the prime minister during Late Zhou Dynasty

Chai Rong’s right hand

[honest rain]

I'm kinda confused on Zhu Yu and Sun Yuan's relationship. It seems that Sun Yuan established SN later in life, while Zhu Yu seems to have started as SN disciple. But I also saw some people say they studied under same master... did I misread something or what's going on

[wintry pine]

Sa

[iron canyon]

sun yuan is zhu yu's mentor, he saved her during the khitan's attack, i do have a really good video about zhuyu's story (but its in chinese )

[honest rain]

I am very interested in the video, if you could share👀

[junior osprey]

Yo guys I think I just got spoiled, and I want to ask is there any cn lore chat?

||Because I heard qianye will kill ying ying is it true couldn't find any confirmation on reddit||

[iron canyon]

unfortunately we don't have one, and from all the stuff i heard and seen so far i have never seen them both having any sort of interactions yet

[iron canyon]

Here you go
https: //v.douyin.com/n2sMRrWePaA/

[acoustic storm]

Surrender or Fight?
What's the right choice?

From final gambit

[iron canyon]

your choice will affect the dialogues only ig, the story should be the same

[balmy rune]

yep

[tender cedar]

fight cuz bro is lowkey right

[slim oar]

I'm a bit confused with the story in the first chapter, who is aunt han actually, killerblade, and the girl with the scythe, What was the background to their sudden attack and Aunt Han asking to move immediately?

[karmic socket]

Aunt Han (Han Xiangxun)

Aunt Han, whose full name is Han Xiangxun, is a major early-game character who acts as the gentle but strict guardian and adoptive mother of the protagonist. She runs a place called Blissful Retreat in Qinghe and, on the surface, keeps life calm and orderly for those around her.

Beneath her kindly exterior, Aunt Han is a renowned figure in the martial world (jianghu) with a rare skill: she can alter people’s faces and identities a technique used for deep cover, espionage, and infiltration.

She and a partner named Tian Ying were part of a secret operation to help volunteers change their appearances to infiltrate strategic locations. They recorded all new identities in a ledger a very dangerous document, since it could expose spies and their families if discovered.

Aureate Pavilion forces attack Blissful Retreat to uncover that secret. Aunt Han disappears during these events not because she ran away, but because she’s handling the aftermath of her dangerous work and protecting the sensitive records.

Her only on-screen appearance during the sweep into the Sweetwine Tower boss arena is at the very end, where she physically saves the protagonist from self-destructive desperation after Yi Dao's sacrifice.

Killerblade (Yi Dao)

Killerblade is the nickname of Yi Dao, a rough-around-the-edges swordsman introduced early in Where Winds Meet who becomes both an enemy and later a key ally.

The name “Killerblade” comes from his reputation as a fierce fighter. He wanders the world under that name before his deeper motivations come out.

Early on, he attacks or confronts the protagonist while searching for Aunt Han.
As the story unfolds, it becomes clear he is not a simple foe — he’s tied to the broader conflicts and tragedies affecting Qinghe and eventually fights alongside the protagonist in the Siege of Heaven’s Pier.

In the climactic moment of Chapter 1, Yi Dao fights Qianye (the girl with the scythe) with the protagonist and later sacrifices himself — using the aged wine inside Sweetwine Tower to stop her.

For the girl with the red scythe, she's Qianye and I hate her

[vague granite]

Isn't Yi Dao's nickname Demonblade?

[karmic socket]

Hmmmm

[paper rampart]

[karmic socket]

No

[vague granite]

I have gone senile again

[karmic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[sudden shard]

1st phase?

[north trench]

chat is later tang and southern tang are different dynasty?

[tame hatch]

The black swordsman at the beginning of the game looks like Uncle Jiang

[north trench]

oh yaa also i figured out there is also northern hand southern han and later han

[hidden kelp]

It's him lol

[hidden kelp]

Yeah they're all different but they keep naming themselves the same it's confusing af smh

[clever depot]

anyone know beside Zhao Kuangyinm is there any historical figure in this game?

[north trench]

his little brother zhao kuangyi/zhao guangyi

[north trench]

chai rong.

[clever depot]

thank you, is there any confirmation about Yangye? or Mu Guiying?

[north trench]

Zhao pu or master pu in game

[north trench]

idk

also murong family is in real life family in song dynasty

[clever depot]

I see, okay — thanks. Pretty bold choice of timeline, I guess.
I mean, if they aren’t making a full-blown wuxia game but just one with wuxia elements, using a fictional dynasty would’ve been much better in my opinion.

[north trench]

murong yuan adoptive father and biological father is irl historical figure

also just want to mention again. hehe.

everyone in jianghu is adopted

[clever depot]

Okay, thanks. I mean, judging by the main story so far in the global version and the historical timeline they chose, it feels like they intend to tell a war-focused story with some wuxia elements. But for war narratives, aren’t there much more interesting choices? Early Tang with Li Shimin, or mid-to-late Song with Yang Zongbao and Mu Guiying, would’ve been far more engaging.

plus mid to late Song can give much more cohesive wuxia story(like Return of the Condor Heroes take some fictional figure from Yang Family - Yang Guo etc)

[north trench]

idk

[north trench]

fall of tang dynasty got me acting unwise

[clever depot]

no wonder in the next region Hexi, they need to make as if we are dreaming back to the past around late Tang era. Also I hear the new China emperor palace content too will make us back in time.

[clever depot]

wait yess if Emperor Taizong in the game then there are probability Yang Ye will be there also in the future. ❤️

[foggy tiger]

Eh there's like few thousand year of history. Lots of material to choose from. Why invent new material when it's all right there

[primal wraith]

i just played the story about aunt hans past, and it got me thinking.. was the witch maybe the girl that owned her back then? bc that would make sense and it would be such a great story for the lore. lmk your thoughts. or maybe its already a fact and im just slow rn xD

[foggy tiger]

Yea it's that actually

[primal wraith]

and i thought i was onto smth

[foggy tiger]

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[junior osprey]

oh thanks so it's just someone spreading lies

[alpine path]

It is a theory that it is her, not confirmed

[clever depot]

because in China there are rules, if you use real historical era you cannot made up things agreed upon by official historian.

[haughty forge]

er ma=guy who brought us to kaifeng=river master am i right about this

[clever depot]

I just treat her inserted as final boss of first area because of the coolness factor of her 2nd phrase (though that 100% xianxia) which some said it is ok since we "dreamed about it".
I mean this game cleary no pure Wuxia game, hell not even wuxia focused one, it is more like historical based fiction game using wuxia, xianxia and xuanhuan elements.
That Taiyi stone (purple) in gacha weapon skin forging is clearly xianxia, not to mention daji gacha outfit cosplay etc.

So sometimes I have to chuckle a bit at this game’s marketing team loudly branding it as “Wuxia” or “Jianghu” and so on.
I guess they’re just trying to reach non-Chinese players who aren’t familiar with the genre.

[vague shoal]

Though it’s 90%

[hidden kelp]

McDonald 😂

[hidden kelp]

the interdimensional magic of summoning real hard cash and high credit line to cultivate immortal drip. yeah checks out

[iron canyon]

the devs from cn version actually did answer the reason why they've chosen this timeline (which is relatively less popular and has its own specialty if compared to others, i dug this out from the official cn version website ) https: //www.yysls.cn/m/news/official/20220905/37780_1040454.html

[royal plover]

Someone explaining the new big zhao cinematic, what its about?

And Is this cinematic for next patch, or its for CN which already far ahead then global?

[iron canyon]

the pv is for the release of the imperial palace for cn server

[royal plover]

What its about, does the cinematic give big spoiler for global server?

[paper rampart]

Everything from china but not in global is spoilers…

[royal plover]

Even though im so curious what the cinematic about

[iron canyon]

mainly ||moments of young big zhao and some slight teasers of the main story that requires more to understand i believe||

[mental ermine]

Shows the journey of big zhao starting kaifeng fried chicken and becoming colonel kaifeng

[jolly holly]

Aura

[mental ermine]

Right more aura fr

[paper rampart]

I never know growing older can make the nose bigger

[iron canyon]

开封菜 (kaifengcai/kaifeng dishes) too good like if you recall the first time we see big zhao he's even eating noodles

[iron canyon]

i think its because his face got wider

[paper rampart]

And also, betcha he snores more now than before. Look at his nose. God dam.

No wonder every dynasty they dont keep chickens to sound the morning horn

One emperor will do.

[royal plover]

Who's the long hair femboy talking with prime zhao?

[jolly holly]

the skin sags and expands as we grow old lol

[iron canyon]

no idea yet everything is just speculations

[jolly holly]

so lemme get this straight, little Zhao who we always see from time to time is the same official we met back in the heroes' assembly?

[iron canyon]

oh yeah you're right too

[paper rampart]

Yes

[iron canyon]

if you're saying about ||jinzhongyuan|| then yep

[paper rampart]

Jin zhong yuan is small zhao

进中原

[jolly holly]

our bromance

[peak perch]

Yaassss

[jolly holly]

the hair does change a lot with a person's face

[iron canyon]

the importance of hairstyle is evident

[jolly holly]

i always thought he has one of the most decent face model out of the NPCs we met-

[timber hill]

when people get fat, nose become stretched/big.

[peak perch]

I need to see more of him ngl

[jolly holly]

he'll appear a lot in future updates lol probably our companion when we do visit Weiyang City if the devs adds it as a map

[peak perch]

That'd be cool

[iron canyon]

gotta wait for ||bujianshan, this region is also fairly new in cn||

[peak perch]

I heard of that one ;-; i'm waiting for a lot of stuff

[jolly holly]

same time with Mohist Hill release i think

[iron canyon]

mhm, that region is focused on mohist hill ||more pretty jiejie||

[jolly holly]

we'll probably get it by July

[iron canyon]

i doubt we will get it that early ||becaue there's still hutuo in the middle||

[jolly holly]

Hexi has 28 day period per region afterall

[jolly holly]

oh i don't know this one lol

unseen mountain?

[iron canyon]

||unseen mountain = bujianshan the order should be hexi -> hutuo -> bujianshan if im not wrong||

[mental ermine]

Iirc it's 晋中原?

[royal plover]

When the great wall made?

[mental ermine]

It was (re)built many times over different dynasties, qin shihuang is the first who joined and extended the walls left over by the warring states around ~220bc

[royal plover]

So its already exist in the game?

[paper rampart]

进中原

[royal plover]

Are the wall near in our region in the game?

[paper rampart]

Kaifeng walls are not great wall

[mental ermine]

[mental ermine]

no it's all in the lost yanyun

[royal plover]

I asking does the wall near our game region, keifamg, qinghe and hexi

[mental ermine]

Oh wait hexi has great wall too

玉门关

[mental ermine]

See the jade gate too

This area is hexi irl

[paper rampart]

[mental ermine]

Fake?

[paper rampart]

进中原
Enter zhong yuan

He is a jianghu wanderer.
He entered zhong yuan
Understand?

[mental ermine]

Yeah but that's not the name in game no?

晋 also means advance and his prince title in future

[paper rampart]

Correct but 进 is enter, 晋 is when he conquered

[mental ermine]

[iron canyon]

the interpretation is true but the characters used in names is important to not mess up

[paper rampart]

Tbh jianghu wanderer changed names a lot

Look at jiang yan

[iron canyon]

having another name is useful for them to plan and do stuff

[royal plover]

So we would not gonna got wudang or shaolin sects in this game

[paper rampart]

Bring them in and it will be where jin yong wrote

Not where winds meet

[foggy tiger]

Eh that just conjecture on your part

There's rules everywhere. If western game company take ridiculous leeway with history they will also be criticised

[proper orbit]

lol I laughed so hard when I met this npc

I think he has a brother npc too, who is nearby

they would bicker about something

our MC's reaction to his name (in chinese text; not sure about english) was so.... lol... idk how to say it.. in chinese it would be "好无语"

MC: "你这名字..."

The puns in this game are amazing.

[proper orbit]

was 进中原 used in the game? wasn't it 晋中原？

[proper orbit]

exactly. I didn't see 进中原 anywhere. maybe I haven't seen it yet.

[iron canyon]

it has always been 晋中原,

[iron canyon]

the chickens also have similar names😭 devs never run out of puns

[proper orbit]

that's what I thought.. so I was confused when the guy said it was 进中原 when he "entered" and then 晋 when he "conquered" .. not really sure what he meant.

[proper orbit]

ikr

[mental ermine]

Maidanglao and kendeji

[proper orbit]

太好笑啦 hahahaha it's too funny

[iron canyon]

im prettu sure that' his own interpretation of the name, but chracters used in names are very important and can't be changed simply

[proper orbit]

for sure

I'm really enjoying all these puns.

well actually WayInWayOut made a pun right there too.. with the name

Chinese names are very susceptible to these punnings

[iron canyon]

yep, the same pronounciation can have tons of different characters

[proper orbit]

The great wall in this region looked so so so so diffferent from the ones north of the central plains

almost underwhelming

I like how the great wall exhibits different characteristics in different regions, mostly due to the need to save costs by using local materials

and also reflect construction tech known during different periods

We should share more screenshots of punny names in the game lol. they are hilarious

I will share if I come across any

[iron canyon]

I still remember coming across a scene of mc hyping up someone and the devs decided to pun airplane (飞机) into 飞鸡 (flying chicken)😭

[proper orbit]

lol if you come across that again, do share!

[paper rampart]

In game is 晋

First impression is 进
Last impression before he took the throne is 晋
jin can be used to interpret some puns

[iron canyon]

||it's cn content actually but its just too funny + the way how mc is speaking😭||

[iron canyon]

I stole the pic from a video, they're at general's shrine from left to right you have wuyonggong (not hardworking/not working), liubuzhu (can't stay), lilaizuo (you do it, literally) dingliangzhu (it's supposed to mean the one who is the most reliable/most responsible) and mashanghao (means smth will be done soon) I can't 😭

[proper orbit]

🤣

I remember these guys hahahaha

this scene was an early indication for me that this game is gonna be hilarious

[iron canyon]

and the 3 brothers in qinghe that got bitten by snakes😭 i only remember one is big smart

[paper rampart]

Nvm jin zhong yuan. We have a li zhen zhen playing cards here.

[proper orbit]

大聪明，大英明，大精明 lol (I forgot the english translations of their names)

[proper orbit]

I think this is just a case of bad Chinese-English localization lol. This Li ZhenZhen is written completely different from the Li ZhenZhen (moon goddess)
The Madiao Cards Li ZhenZhen's name in Chinese, is 李真真 while the moon goddess Li ZhenZhen's name in Chinese, is 黎蓁蓁

[iron canyon]

i have a video of the compilation of qinghe & kaifeng's funny names

[iron canyon]

yeah its the language limitations over here, both names have the same romanization but the characters and their respective pinyin is different

[proper orbit]

do you have the link?

[iron canyon]

https ://v.douyin.com/StZOrkm_XF4/ probably not everything is there but you can see a lot from the comments or bullet screen comments

[paper rampart]

黎 is incredibly rare surname

[iron canyon]

yep if compared 李 which is a very common surname

[paper rampart]

黎明 is such person but his 黎 is pronounced lai.

[proper orbit]

HAHAHAHAHA

the battle of the fastfood chickens!

迈挡老 - macdonalds lol
恳得吉 - kentucky

they played around with the words, classic devs punning work here

麦当劳 -> 迈挡老

[paper rampart]

Check out the wine seller in harvestfall and ghost market

[iron canyon]

they even recreated the battle and how you can cheat your way😭

[proper orbit]

LOL even celebrity names are in there

[iron canyon]

and the poor guy 梅招了 （没招了） who got scammed into 9MW in the ghost market

[paper rampart]

[proper orbit]

I love all these puns. This is actually a thing in the Wuxia genre. Jinyong's characters have such naming styles too

[iron canyon]

we have to thank him for giving us double of the money

[iron canyon]

there's another 贩冰冰 ->范冰冰 😭

[proper orbit]

oh my goodness HAHAHAHAHAH

I like her irl ngl

Fan BingBing

the devs are having a great time doing this i'm sure

I can imagine them laughing in the meeting room when they brainstorm these names

[iron canyon]

they're letting their imaginations run wild for sure

[proper orbit]

there are a lot of humourous dialogue from NPCs everywhere.. literally everywhere

let me log in now to try to find one

I saw one interaction between a dad and his kids at the imperial gardens that really got me laughing out loud

[mental ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/huang-xiao-ming-refuse-reject-nope-no-gif-10906235

[iron canyon]

Even the fake sect master names they choose words that are very similar to the original 😭
WOH 天泉 -> 夭泉
Midnight Blades 三更天 -> 三更夫
Raging tides 狂澜 -> 汪澜

[iron canyon]

the devs said no one is safe not even celebrities

[proper orbit]

This scene got me laughing so hard

The dad was trying to get the children to be poetic and all, when describing the beautiful scene... and one kid was doing what the dad wanted, reciting a poetic description, but the other kid was using a very modern (today's usage) way of expressing admiration.. just 2 words LOL

[honest rain]

I'm sure the office was shaking from laughter when they were writing NMW base, it has so many jokes all around

[iron canyon]

elegant way vs straightforward and simple

[proper orbit]

YEA lol and I'm pretty sure children in that era don't use "绝啦" hahahah

[iron canyon]

ikr those devs are 9MW deepdown😭 look at those 4 great theives

[honest rain]

That's why rat stocks are always up

[proper orbit]

9MW is actually a reflection of the dev studio! hahahah

i love these devs

Even their boss (the three kids masquerading as Dao Lord) , Xiao Fu, Xiao Lu, Xiao Shou, even their names... lol.. that's a pun too

[iron canyon]

and these guys are very up to date with their social media memes😭

[proper orbit]

I love how the devs preserve the naive and adorable nature of the children in this game world.. I feel like this is less so in many other games in the west... children seems way too mature and grown up in their (western) worlds.. just a feeling I get..

[paper rampart]

红线

[iron canyon]

their orginal names were actually very simple, i can't recall who gave them these new names that are more meaningful

[proper orbit]

yea. I literally know a kid that speaks like Ruby in real life

hell, even one of my friends speaks like her

but when I heard the localized version (english), it's....

how to say this...

it seems too grown up...

[iron canyon]

😭 and these kids

[honest rain]

I think Xue Chou gave them new names when he adopted them, other than Zhu Xiaojia

[proper orbit]

向德美 :/

[iron canyon]

right they're all sweet kids (with a few exceptions)🥹

[proper orbit]

the children in this game are too loveable.

[paper rampart]

你想得美

我想放学

想逃课 omg this took me a while.

[proper orbit]

good job lol

[proper orbit]

this is too good HAHAHAHAHA

[sudden shard]

Where can we meet purple cloth our Kaifeng prefect?

[iron canyon]

in the special quest for the clothing (sold in shop) in qinghe (i can't recall the name of it), from the way how ym is constantly worried abt the little tailor (even with the triplets) you can tell how much of an impact ruby has🥹

[iron canyon]

go to the kaifeng prefecture, you can see him talking with zhaopu

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[sudden shard]

Who is this lol?

[proper orbit]

MC and Ruby's relationship is one of many layers. Brother-Sister, Boss-Follower, Twin-Wanderers of Jianghu, ... they have a deep relationship

even if we only have a short glimpse of their relationship... it is enough to convey so much meaning to us..

[sudden shard]

Ohh wait, lemme try. What time?

[proper orbit]

Zhao Lusi and Huang Xiaoming (Mark Huang) hahahah

[sudden shard]

That's why I can't use Zhao Lusi name🤣

It's already taken lol

[proper orbit]

I'm sure it would be! lol

[sudden shard]

Can only use DengLun and DingYuxi 🤣 my fav actors

[proper orbit]

Zhao Lusi too popular and hot lol

[iron canyon]

hes over here, you can get a dark surge fragment if you eavesdrop on them (but if u want to enter from behind dont go at night or else the guards would attack)

[iron canyon]

and it hits like a truck🥹

[iron canyon]

found another guy😭

[proper orbit]

LOL good one. "No manners"

[foggy tiger]

Oh damn no wonder

They aggro on me I couldn't figure how to get in I was wondering why

[sudden shard]

You're right lol, I came at mao hour after finishing qinghe anecdotes, and suddenly the guards behind him attack

[iron canyon]

they're doing their job protecting their masters😂

[sudden shard]

Thankfully got barred by the building, so i can make a picture of him using rattan and take a photo🤣

With them on background...

[iron canyon]

now you can safely get portraits of him

[sudden shard]

Yea lol, when I change to chen, they stop being aggro

Does he has body double? Why he stay there all day long🤣

[paper rampart]

You can find big zhao at 3 places at the same time.

[sudden shard]

Where is it?

Lol all of them have body double 🤣

[paper rampart]

One in the mansion guarded by many soldiers.
One in furnace doing speech tone test.
One inside the imperial palace

[tardy swift]

All imposters

[scenic obsidian]

You personal opinion, she looks like a kid to me

[haughty forge]

who is jin zhongyuan in the river master story

[scenic obsidian]

Big Zhao’s brother

Future emperor

[haughty forge]

also quick question a'yu =zhu yu = former master of dragon hall which split into bloodscale and jade serpent

[scenic obsidian]

Zhao guangyyi

Zhongyuan means middle land in Chinese

[haughty forge]

same guy as the jianghu legacy story with the cult?

[scenic obsidian]

Nah

[scenic obsidian]

The one give you poison pill

Forced you to swallow the poison pill

The mayor of Kaifeng

[haughty forge]

ye but I thought he was also the guy in the cult story with some second personality

cause I saw big zhao in the flashbacks

[scenic obsidian]

Kinda of

Jin Zheng Yuan’s name basically told us who he is

晋（Jin）is the fiefdom of Zhao Kuangyin‘s brother
中原（Zhongyuan）is the main region of China，Kaifeng City were consider as the capital of Zhongyuan. And Zhao Kuangyin’s brother is the mayor of Kaifeng

Is Like Michael Jordon used the made up name of N.C. Bull

[haughty forge]

hm

also what's the relationship of river master zheng e ember of East and aunt han

also who's zhao lusi

[iron canyon]

a'yu is the name of zhuyu's big fish, and yes zhuyu is the former master & also current river master's wife

[clever depot]

Do you realize that all wuxia and its subgenres are fiction? So if you want to use a real historical setting, you have to get it right — and that’s much harder than creating a purely fictional world. More easier to make the the historical elements if needed in the story, just temporarily and sparingly like HeXi.

Right now in global, this game can’t even be called a wuxia title. Its elements are even lighter than Sword of Justice — an older game that still uses traditional MMO mechanics — though I believe it could reach that level with future updates.

When this game Wuxia's element reach the height of Return of Condor Heroes then we can debate more deeper about this topic.

[wicked ore]

any recommanded website / youtbue channel for lore explanation ?

[iron canyon]

ember of east contacted aunt han to perform the face changing procedure for zheng e (he's now sharing the same face with shen yi lun), ember, zheng e, and river master are temporary allies (but everyone of them has their own grudges and plans), as for zhao lusi she's a celebrity

it's true even it's a crooked aesthetic, we couldn't change those ppl who think/like these kind of stuff everyone's taste is different just chill out

[iron canyon]

wwm girls are the most recommended i've seen so far

[wicked ore]

thx 🙂

[foggy tiger]

lol who are u to lay judgement whether the game is wuxia or not. the devs decide to market it as wuxia hence it will be wuxia.

also your original statement: because in China there are rules, if you use real historical era you cannot made up things agreed upon by official historian.

why u saying a bunch of other things now

[clever depot]

ah so you argue with bad faith. ok then. bye

[foggy tiger]

bad faith? im not the one shifting onto strawman arguments. but whatever we here to enjoy and discuss the lore, not the politics behind them

[fluid quest]

I'm trying to understand if the issue for them is that the game is too close to being xianxia or too close to real events xD (is it too high fantasy or too low fantasy)

[haughty forge]

current river master= feng yi right

and zhu yu is dead or missing?

thanks for the help

[acoustic storm]

Did the ladies wear shorts during the Song Dynasty?

[exotic widget]

thank you king

[clever depot]

I believe, based on the latest CN version (Emperor Taizu), they’re still following the same approach as now — historically grounded with added touches of wuxia, xianxia, and similar elements. To be honest, I quite like this direction. The Taizu-era civil war, while seeming uneventful on the surface, is rarely explored in media.

I just hope they continue into the Emperor Taizong era, or at least create some chapters dedicated to it — like the Hexi region — because that’s when things start getting interesting. Major conflicts like the war with Northern Han followed with Khitan Liao, where legendary figures such as Yang Ye (ancestor of the Yang family of the Song dynasty) emerge, take place then.

[fluid quest]

yes to both statements

[fluid quest]

Aaaand this is when I realise I know nothing about Chinese History. ^^; I do like the setting a lot so at some point I'm probably going to go do research but... I am severely lacking at the moment

ah... can't post links

gamekee. com/ yysls
(let's see if that works. just get rid of the spaces)

[haughty forge]

btw where does river master go after i finish the campaign

like i saw him and talked to him after the fight

but when i logged in now he aint there so is he still at heavenfall or left

[alpine path]

An idea that creating something from scratch is easier than smth based on the existing setting is an illusion which breaks quite easily as soon as you experienced it yourself in any applicable form of art.
Existing characters also add a layer of recognition, which sure, comes with expectations but also they already generate a level of interest that you will have to work hard to create from nothing

[jolly holly]

wtf i never noticed this

[crimson birch]

the way i also saw the exact same tiktok video lol

[jolly holly]

i literally searched his name in google and this popped out

[crimson birch]

this is the only piece of content that showcases his face in global search so no wonder it's on the top

[clever depot]

Do you read 陆地键仙? That’s an example of how using a fictional world as the base setting doesn’t mean neglecting history entirely. You can still create contained chapters based on real events.

Building the entire setting on real history to a certain point can feel a bit limiting, though. Even this game — does it include chapters like Hexi and the Chenqiao Mutiny?

That's why it's pretty interesting to see what comes after the Chenqiao Mutiny in the CN version.
Will they keep following a grounded historical plot — the southern campaign, or jump straight to the Taizong era?
Or
Will they go full wuxia and Jianghu route? That would mean diving deeper into our uncle and aunt’s backstory, adding major sects like Emei and Shaolin, and so on.

[final fossil]

CN friends i need your help again. How do i find Feng Jisheng in rednote?

[honest rain]

Are these surprised people even reading the story, damn

[jolly holly]

well it's the story we're reading, not the face model lol

[honest rain]

I mean, why won't the devs use same face model for them after writing this whole story about identity shenanigans, that's one less model to make

Alright, my faceblind ahh is the last one to talk

[jolly holly]

well people can miss small things, it's not really that much of a deal lol

[honest rain]

True-true

[mystic idol]

theoretically zheng e might've had a different face before -- but by the time we meet him he already changed his face to look like shen yilun as per the plan with shimmer of south and ember of east, so it's a good detail that they kept consistent haha

[honest rain]

I'm pretty sure his portrait in the journal is his old face🤔 the eyeshape and nose seem different +you can see dawn-to-dusk damage

[vague shoal]

I knew he was disgusing as shen yilun but didnt know devs would use the same face too lol

I appreciate that

[faint eagle]

is there gonna be a chapter three this season

[mystic idol]

Starts March 6th

[faint eagle]

where does it show that?

i dont see it anywhere

[mystic idol]

it was posted on twitter i think

[faint eagle]

oh thanks bro

my friend plays the chinese version and they have been getting faster updates

[final fossil]

Bump

[royal plover]

What was voice in the air encounter mean?

[proper orbit]

冯继升

[haughty forge]

after we beat world boss version of feng ruzhi are there any interactions or thats it

[bitter holly]

anyone know any animated series really close to where winds meet story?

or just the vibes you know

[honest rain]

She stays on the stage where you fight as an NPC and you can have a chat and bring her some dried berries. Once you submit the item, she leaves

[formal minnow]

Yeah renegade immortal

[regal oar]

[ivory estuary]

Do we know why big zhao isn’t a emperor anymore?

[safe oak]

Well renegade immortal is somewhat dope

[formal minnow]

It’s got good animation, most of the others don’t

[safe oak]

Yeah , it's lore is great

[wraith sigil]

were Song Eunuchs only balls removed or everything

[paper rampart]

He died young

[wraith sigil]

the historian consensus is because lil zhao

idk how they'll develop lil zhao because seems like they want people to like him, but people really didn't have high opinion of historical lil zhao

[honest rain]

They can always... wrap up the plot before he gotta do what he gotta do. Too bad so sad, the stains on Zhao Er's reputation didn't make the timeline cut

[iron canyon]

we never get to see zheng e's real face since the moment we saw him he had already changed his face

[vague shoal]

Would love to see him get destroyed by the liao empire

[honest rain]

I saw he was already getting destroyed alright be the fans (I'll see myself out)

Actually, I am very curious how the devs are going to handle the upcoming historic events... are they going to do some "canon events"? or go the "alternative history starting 962y" route?

[iron canyon]

i think they would stick to history as much as they could but would alter a bit to match the main storyline this timeline is a really chaotic timeline and they would have much more freedom in developing

[honest rain]

They need to be really careful, balancing historic accuracy and "but fandom loves this character"

[iron canyon]

also a small fact since we mentioned zhaoguangyi, his original name was pretty similar to big zhao's (赵匡义) but after big zhao became the emperor zhao er's name changed to what we know now （赵光义）

[honest rain]

I thought I was prepared to the number of names characters might have after reading certain danmeis. How foolish of me.

[iron canyon]

even at the current stage we can see how the character isn't fully good / bad, and i think that's what adds to his charm and yes they definitely need to be careful since these guys are significant in this timeline

[vague shoal]

Has years even passed in the cn storyline lol

[honest rain]

Not yet, probably just a few months

[vague shoal]

Mc gonna be like conan

[north trench]

what is conan

[vague shoal]

Mc of detective manga

[north trench]

wooo

i thought conan like medieval film if i not mistaken

[vague shoal]

Basically the manga has been out for 10 years but mc still havent aged lol

Maybe longer

[iron canyon]

in the past all these significant figures have more than 1 names even in the jianghu they all have their different names too

[iron canyon]

tbh I believe at least 2yrs had passed, what mc experienced are huge incidents and there's no way things can recover in a short time but the devs never give us an actual confirmation, even the videos i saw never actually state how much time has passed within the stories + travelling time

[north trench]

it's called conan the barbarian

[honest rain]

Kaifeng Main Story plot takes slightly over 1 week. Even if we are generous and say it takes 2 weeks, Qinghe Main Story isn't too long time-wise either. The thing that takes the longest in terms of Main Story so far is post-attack "timeskip". It might've been a day or two, or a few weeks. Adding all up, Main story is - heavy eyeballing alert - at most 2months. Whatever YM does in side-quests won't matter, unless Ch3 starts with mention of YM's some time of travel

[vague shoal]

Ch 3 is just a dream or sthing so maybe not even a day has passed

[honest rain]

I know. I can handle Jiang Yan-Wulan, but the moment Zhao Er pulled out Jin surname my brain drew a blank😅

[north trench]

everyone in jianghu is adopted

[honest rain]

With a pace like this, we can only hope Young Master hits legal age of drinking by the end of story😂

[vague shoal]

Mohist hill is 3 months after kaifeng when the mc got info from yingying

[iron canyon]

face blindness hit up again (cause how can we not notice these two are literally the same face, and also in the copendium they literally slapped the answer in front of our faces, hairstyle rlly matters😭 )

[honest rain]

Jinming pool happens in year 962, the same year stated at the start of game, so it's unlikely there was a break

[honest rain]

His Important Official Hat really hides how unserious he looks otherwise (ofc, the guy is like 23y/o)

[iron canyon]

young master has been doing too much stuff in such a short time

[paper rampart]

I am very sure 不见山 is also a filler contents like 河西

[iron canyon]

our guy is also having fun and doing stuff he couldn't when he's on the job

[iron canyon]

cn server is gonna have some big updates on bujianshan soon (this region is the latest region over there)

[honest rain]

He girlbossed nepotismed too close to the hard work, now he has to bend over backwards to get some me-time😂

[iron canyon]

i couldn't shake the memory away after hearing zheng e's first version of va😭

[iron canyon]

his brother does this too can't blame him reallyplus in bujianshan we can really see some development in zhao er's character

[honest rain]

At this point it's a family craft

[honest rain]

Was it That Bad?😭

[crimson birch]

with how the netizens are teasing about it i think it is that bad i lowkey wanna hear the first version too now lol

[iron canyon]

the emotional outburst is... i can't describe rlly its something you'll get it when you hear it

[iron canyon]

this is a compilation of his lines (why let the good die while evil thrives), but they pieced them together in a really funny way
https: //v.douyin.com/HotCnVW0rc8/

[crimson birch]

your hestiation and stuttering to describe it making me more nervous LOL

[iron canyon]

i can't find the version of the voice with the scenes but somehow they saved his audio😭

[honest rain]

For once he does sound like 20-smth biomed nerd he is, lol

[iron canyon]

every single content i ever came across about him up there was this very cursed text with the tone marked out😭

[crimson birch]

just 1 sec in and the shen yilun voice crack already killing me 😭

[iron canyon]

i heard they have changed 3 versions of va for him😭

[iron canyon]

there's an unreleased mystic art where you can customize your bgm for it, and someone specially saved this audio to use it for the mystic art😭

[crimson birch]

i always see this similar stuff on xhs when i see his posts 😭

[honest rain]

That's vile😭

[crimson birch]

stop giving me ideas now i wanna do this

[honest rain]

You can def add it to the discord soundboard and torture people you talk to😂

[iron canyon]

i cannot imagine the shenyilun getting spammed

[crimson birch]

me who always do ear 🍇 to my friends on vc imma abuse this until all my friends memorize thus audio line by line

enters vc
SHEN YILUN coughs coughs coughs

[iron canyon]

i couldn't understand the text until i searched up, everything is explained now

[honest rain]

Honestly, that feels like some Shen Yilun propaganda, to have Zheng E remember by many only for the way he said Shen Yilun's name. The guy is that good in politics that he infiltrated the real world

[honest rain]

Terrific

[iron canyon]

in game "zheng e" is dead and only shen yilun survived but not in real world

[honest rain]

I know, it's kinda funny that the guy who killed himself legally ended up with his depression cured

Or did he pull the same trick as YM and spread rumors that he died in some battle, so the body can't be found

[iron canyon]

hmmmm, technically he has the exact same face as shenyilun (except for the different hair color), in others eyes he's still shen yilun, no one will remember zheng e

[honest rain]

He did appear 1:1 when we go talk to him at the start of Campaign quest, so I'm sure he has a good box of hairdyes

"No one will remember Zheng E" did you at least kiss the rock before throwing it😭
But really, Feng Ruzhi and Ember of East know, and now Young Master too. I'm sure he can manage with only few mental breakdowns

+++in journal Zhai Xu was upset his brother in studying died, I think it's talking about Zheng E bc we don't know anyone else who studied alongside him, so at least some people mourn him!

[crimson birch]

critical rock hit directly to the heart he might be able to manage it since he seems like he is slowly turning a new leaf after his encounter with YM

[iron canyon]

oh yeah i suddenly forgot about the people who are aware of who he really is

[iron canyon]

he's finding himself for sure, his kindness cost him too much🥹

[honest rain]

"Suddenly" you just got in the mood to do some psychic damage😂

[iron canyon]

the realization hit me back like a boomerang

[crimson birch]

you just got into the mode to throw out emotional dmg

[honest rain]

Friendly fire😂

BTW, while we're here

Any thoughts on Perception Forest as in-game concept🎤

It supposedly exists, Wangran walked out of it

[crimson birch]

oh so in the game universe it does exist? tho it might be a scary concept of a forest

[honest rain]

Yeah, apparently Midnight Blades just live nearby and hold the sect events & trials there, at least according to texts

Honestly, I should ask AI NPCs from MB about it

[iron canyon]

never seen any story about the inspiration behind perception forest but it has a relation with midnight blades also a fun fact midnight blades are actually vegans

[iron canyon]

have smth happier instead (its a labour day event in cn where the bosses are taking leaves, zheng e is taking medical leave 😭 )
https ://v.douyin.com/_d2GJGeZAWg/

[honest rain]

I think "magic forest of trials" does sound like more of a western fae story😅 or maybe neither of us are deep enough in Buddhist lore to recognize the concept (tho, "reaching enlightenment through trials" is very much up their lane)
MB are such sweet kittens🥺

I guess the fisherman in Ghostlight market is just doing it for sport

[iron canyon]

it's a refreshing combination, tho to understand more we gotta dig up more lore

[honest rain]

I heard cn server are only now getting MB base in game files, hopefully, we'll have more info on them once the location is released

[iron canyon]

for now we wait the devs actually released the 9MW base fairly early for us nowthat i think abt it, cn server got it quite later

[honest rain]

They wanted to show off the humor of their writing all over the world, they couldn't gatekeep it

[sudden shard]

Can you share it to me lol

[iron canyon]

over here @sudden shard

[crimson birch]

what is zheng e doing in poker lol (but im curious about how the player go into the game with disguise one 👀 )

[iron canyon]

the labor day event lets you play cards with the bosses🤣 bosses are taking their leaves, while others are normal leave he's the special one taking medical leave

[crimson birch]

LMAO he def needs that medical leave with how much dust comes out of him whenever he coughs even cosplayers do that intentionally lol

[iron canyon]

the comments are saying how he keeps coughing and he should just go back home and rest😭

[crimson birch]

bro still tryna squeeze in poker even when on sick leave

[jolly holly]

found this gem

[iron canyon]

i wonder if ||anyone recognize the guy at the left||

[iron canyon]

the asian gambling genes run deep

[crimson birch]

not YM biting the future emperor lol

[scenic egret]

How does ruby revive you

Isnt she also dead

[iron canyon]

she's exchanging her life for your survival, like back then at blissful retreat if it wasn't for her attracting qianye's attention, there would have been more causalities

[peak perch]

Gem indeed

[iron canyon]

i shall attach another

[hidden kelp]

im ded this killed me

[iron canyon]

best matched with the audio😭

[peak perch]

Ughhh i love him sm

[hidden kelp]

play it as my eulogy

[sudden shard]

Just heard it and it's so funny ngl

Just resend the message from zheng e voice

[iron canyon]

can't go back after listening to it once

[sudden shard]

True!

[sudden shard]

Oh i remember we kick brother feng with our bare foot lol

[iron canyon]

it depends on the outfit you're wearing whether you have shoes or not

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[hidden kelp]

why does the goose honk randomly😭

[iron canyon]

from what i observed if you use there's a chance to trigger it

[sudden shard]

Ohh i will use barefoot outfit for this cutscene 🤣

I also watch on bilibili, that we can kick brother feng with paw outfit🤣

[vague granite]

Thanks. I'm stealing this meme without giving reacts.

[jolly holly]

i'm not a whale, go ahead

[iron canyon]

actually, I do have some really hilarious pics that i made him he willingly did lemme slap them at the memes channel

[jolly holly]

pls drop it here, that's lore related HAHAHA

[iron canyon]

i dropped them over the meme channel since there's a video too😭

[jolly holly]

nvm i see it now

[sudden shard]

Season shop is showcasing hexi painting 🫶

[dense garden]

so in the lore, Small Zhao basiclly is a bad guy ?

[honest rain]

Not really. He's shady and makes some questionable decisions, but like what did you expect a 20smth put in charge of local London would do

[dense garden]

According to the latest trailer of the Chinese version, a young man with long hair is seen playing a zither while accusing Emperor Zhao Kuangyin of the Northern Song Dynasty of his crimes.
The identity of this young man has not yet been revealed. However, it’s quite surprising that in another scene, there appears to be another figure dressed in a purple official robe standing opposite him.
After listening to the accusation, that man throws his wine cup, spilling ink — an action that feels like a symbolic verdict.

Many conspiracy theories surround this event, but the outcome remained the same: Zhao Kuangyin lost his throne to his younger brother, his sons were denied succession and forced into exile. Even Zhao Dezhao, his eldest son, met a mysterious death.
And as we all know, in the game, Zhao Kuangyi also wears a purple robe and an official’s crown — just like the figure seen in the trailer.

[honest rain]

I am not sure what point you're trying to make. I do agree that that trailer scene has Zhao er arguing with said unnamed character, but everything else you mention is like 5+ years from current plot. And remember, we are playing a fantasy game not historical reconstruction. No one other than devs know how much creative liberties they are going to take, so looking at the history so far ahead to assess plot points is unreliable at best

[balmy bridge]

Is there anyone here who played the Kaifeng main quest recently, I think there is a cutscene missing, It was the one before you have to hide the coin before lord Shi came, It left me so confuse and I had to run all over the place

[iron canyon]

official clothes are pretty much standardized, plus at that time, i don't think zhaoguangyi is old enough to be handling such important case yet, there are guesses that the figure is zhao pu instead which makes much more sense nevertheless it's only a very brief moment we can't be certain yet

[iron canyon]

what i can say is in this game you don't really see characters that are fully good in a sense, the characters are mostly in a grey zone

[sudden shard]

Whaa, where do you see this trailer

[sudden shard]

Yep, based on what i'm seeing in kaifeng from different perspectives

[honest rain]

I saw it discussed and passed around on twitter, I'll see if I can find it

[honest rain]

Here
https: //x.com/i/status/2018566511900905528

[royal plover]

Whay the lore behind voice in the air?

[sudden shard]

Hmm based on what I see on bilibili, it connects to chapter 3 about the origin and role of YM (the one who owns half of the jade)

[royal plover]

How bout encounter we got on the top of bell tower?

[iron canyon]

this is more towards the details devs have put in the overall theme of wwm, i do have a video explaining why the game's name is translated into where winds meet, it's tied to our wind sense too (they do have english subtitles but it's a bit rough in translation)
https: //v.douyin.com/1lvGJ2jGQ4o/

[sudden shard]

Ahh, I remember watch it somewhere on bilibili but found nothing on my history and favorites 😭😭

[royal plover]

Can u give the link in seperated comment, i cant copy this one

[iron canyon]

https: //v.douyin.com/1lvGJ2jGQ4o/

[dull zenith]

interesting

[ashen geode]

I feel bad for Aunt Han

[tight musk]

Whats the relationship between aunt han and 9mw? They seems to have close relationship

[echo cobalt]

Why is ruby so dumb fr

[honest rain]

5-7yo kid, give her some slack

[echo cobalt]

So what

[honest rain]

No impulse control, naivety, etc. She grew up in loving village community so she sees best in the world, and lacks experience with danger. She acts reasonably for the way she is set up to br

[echo cobalt]

Alr but she's still dumb

[short crest]

You guys should check out the mission Whispers Beneath the Moon. WWM is so peak!

[hidden kelp]

She's better than most 5 year olds... (And some 'adults' acting like 5 year olds)

[echo cobalt]

Bros taking it seriously

I was just rage baiting lol

[hidden kelp]

Yeah and I'm just making casual observation lol

[sage vault]

Ruby in msq: boo shut up, you annoying kid! ; Ruby on her encounter quest: whyyyyyy you had to goooo 😭

[honest rain]

That's just mean-spirited. We are giving you genuine answers, while you're being unreasonably mean to a sweet character

[short crest]

Love Ruby she was a cute kid. Reminded me of when my daughter was little. 😭

[hidden kelp]

I loved that one! It was so fun the VA sounded kike they were having fun too 😂

Idk why people think Ruby is annoying, maybe they're using Eng voice. In CN she sounds like a perfectly normal kid

[echo cobalt]

She's very annoying for real

[short crest]

What gets me is that it's a free quest in a free game and it has such detail and thought behind it. Like one of those infomercials where they give you the whole kit for 10 bucks and keep saying but wait there's more. WWM just take my money already 😂

[echo cobalt]

Gift me a skin in game so wwm can take your money 😂

[short crest]

lmao

[echo cobalt]

Or you can just buy all the skins

[short crest]

I wish. There are so many skins I want but you have to trade a kidney for a single harmonic core

[sage vault]

honestly i enjoyed more the One Leaf One Life storyline

[echo cobalt]

Lol

[short crest]

Yes with the blind girl

[echo cobalt]

Yeah that was good ngl

[short crest]

She was so sweet I just wanted to take care of her

[sage vault]

and the final banquet you have with all the NPCs youve helped along the way

[hidden kelp]

For sure! It was released in CN for the festival that's basically considered Chinese Valentine's Day.

[sage vault]

same with the end of the dream Blissful Retreat 😢

[short crest]

For me the WWM Mic Drop moment was when you get thrown out of the roof of the universal furnace and the treasure basin song from the poor people lifts you up and throws you back in. When I finished that one I was like nah I don't even want to continue playing WWM anymore because I had reached the mountain top. Then when you hear Big Zhao telling the story about if you trust the goverment then paper money can be just as good as coins. I was like wow

[sage vault]

that too

[short crest]

WWM has me speed running all my human emotions from time to time.

Like you go from seeing the poor side of Kaifeng feeling like wow how sad. Then 10 minutes later big zhao is chucking chickens and there is a goose stampede. Hilarious 🤣

[hidden kelp]

Did you catch the bit at the end where he says something like "maybe someday paper won't even be needed, just trust in the currency" or something? LOL China is basically cashless now, everyone pays with their phone

[sage vault]

yeah x'D

he even said that yeah

[short crest]

Yes I did. This game is so amazing

[hidden kelp]

It's so serious and unserious at the same time

[sage vault]

like for the unserious side you can see they got lots of references from Kungfu Hustle and such, and yeah showing wuxia comical side

[short crest]

They need to do a cinema mode where you can replay the cutscenes.

OMG when Big Zhao was dressed as a member of the Velvet Shade. 😂

[honest rain]

His brother probably took 10k psychic damage when he saw him like this

[peak perch]

When ur sibling is up to something again haha

[brittle lantern]

Problem with dawn to dusk it stick on loading on ps5 pro

[hardy olive]

Rong Yuan at NMW base. The real Rong Yuan or fake by NMW?

[honest rain]

Everything on base is NMW doing

[cursive rampart]

[astral widget]

guys i kinda got a regret..i played through the story exclusively and now the world feels empty..like theres no people waiting for me like little fu and the fat guy and yingying.. please tell me the new map will have a storyline?

[cursive rampart]

That should be the case. Don't quote me on that though.

[bitter holly]

best chinese drama to watch with wwm vibes? like lone wanderer protagonist wandering the jianghu world

[deep lion]

Fake, there’s a fake zhang e called zhang er too

[vague shoal]

next month

[royal plover]

Do u play in cn server?

[vague shoal]

You can change to CN voice lol

[river ridge]

nah... even at CN they sound like a brat and i like it

it fits the character

[hidden kelp]

I play with CN voices

[hidden kelp]

yeah there's a difference between 'brat (derogatory)' and 'brat (affectionate)'. the vibe is she's a cute little sister you tease and get into hijinx with

[jolly holly]

yeah it was a really fun chain of quests lol