📖lore-chat

[proper orbit]

Chinese wuxia and history is extremely deep. Takes a whole lifetime to go through all of them.

[prime fog]

yes, but that was around the same time/week or something, that bath was at least few months old at that point

the baby*

[paper rampart]

Bath

[thorny timber]

yeah but still likely not wang qing's child

[alpine path]

I don’t think so too, just that the pendant was not what was in the box based on the hints we had so far

[paper rampart]

The box contained a gu

[thorny timber]

so like poison bug

[thorny timber]

the way he ran said it made it seem like it was the pendant 😭 game is just so vague

[mystic idol]

control bug/zombie bug, like what was in dalong/the dancer

[thorny timber]

since somehow the pendant is how wang qing's killer is identified

which is why jiang yan took it from us, so pple dont hunt us

[mystic idol]

i think its two things he did

[alpine path]

16 years later is a bit too slow tho

[thorny timber]

idk if we can trust he ran's retelling lol

[mystic idol]

1. “Killed wang qing”
2. Took the jade pendant

[prime fog]

my understand, He Ran had no clue what it was going on. I understood it was Baby+Pendant. After the anniversary video in CN kind made seem morelikely to be the case

[thorny timber]

didnt he ran send the box

[mystic idol]

and because people know Jiangyan was the one who did those, they use these identifiers for Jiangyan

[thorny timber]

ordered by powerful pple but he sent it?? idk. bro was rambling

[mystic idol]

yeah, it was a trap, and he ran unknowingly played into it/was a part of it

His guilt is the reason he went mad, Jiangyan was just a scapegoat for him to shift that guilt and blame

[thorny timber]

jiang yan ghosted him. big sad

we shared drinks over being ghosted by jiang yan 💔

[unkempt pumice]

No cuz theres like a million assassins trying to kill wang qing kid so mc is not allowed to know

[thorny timber]

grandchild maybe, not child

[unkempt pumice]

Age 14 to 55 is fair game to be dad

[unkempt pumice]

Then who is son

[thorny timber]

wasnt he like 80

[unkempt pumice]

No

[thorny timber]

jiang yan...

[unkempt pumice]

Is adopted

Mc is biological

[thorny timber]

like i said china wouldnt make their heroic figure chara an elderly out of wedlock father

[alpine path]

Why would they care to kill his child to begin with? He is not in a dynasty kinda situation

[unkempt pumice]

Ummm no, thats common also his not necessarily out of wedlock

[thorny timber]

he could have had a child before adopting jiang yan, thats possible. so we could be grandchild if u rlly want to be related to him so bad. maybe more distant relative

[unkempt pumice]

His head can appease the khitan

[thorny timber]

but if we were important, we're more likely yanyun royalty

[paper rampart]

Khitan the true goat

[thorny timber]

the 16 districts that were lost to khitan

[unkempt pumice]

Canonically they weren’t strong

[prime fog]

man, so annoying I cant post links, wait

[paper rampart]

They got a smart woman my bro

[unkempt pumice]

Empress Xiao wasn't in power yet

[prime fog]

t he looks around 50's since he was fighting and kicking, and he have a vision of us. I can be reading too much into it, but seems the way they do storytelling. The video is "Where Winds Meet - General Wang Qing Story Trailer" in youtube, around the time 2:30.

[thorny timber]

its not for a culture-selling game in china, also he would have to be out of wedlock otherwise general's family wouldve been mentioned

[prime fog]

I understood he had that vision at moment of his death or something along those lines

[paper rampart]

Yeah. I am at the treaty level now

[unkempt pumice]

She is very adept in politics but shes not in power yet

[thorny timber]

didnt it say "at 80" in the wang qing trailer

[unkempt pumice]

his wife couldve died in childbirth

[thorny timber]

also, jiang yan is in his mid 30s, wang qing looked already middle age when he adopted jiang yan

[unkempt pumice]

Wang Qing looks 28 when Jiang was 10ish

[paper rampart]

Khitan greatest feat:
took yanyun
Had empress xiao
OP treaty to acknowledge khitan as not barbarians and as brother to song.

[alpine path]

Jiang Yan is 19 at the prologue video afair (unless you mean now)

[prime fog]

was that count about ages or battles?

[thorny timber]

hes in his mid 30s now

you should read demi gods semi devils (tian long ba bu) if you enjoy khitan

classic wuxia and mc is khitan

[unkempt pumice]

And got wiped out in the Nuzhen (proto mongol, a nomadic tribe who were their slaves) rebellion

[thorny timber]

my goat qiao feng ❤️

[slender vector]

isnt the plot like…. he hates that he is khitan

[thorny timber]

he doesnt really, just discriminated against

[unkempt pumice]

It literally went:
Khitan ruler: send us ur women
Nuzhen: nah, actually we're taking over

And then the same thing happen a hundred years later for nuzhen and mongol and the mongol were the winner in the end, by then khitan almost extinct

[paper rampart]

That’s not a feat

[unkempt pumice]

yeah so they weren't the goat

they lasted half as long as Song

[paper rampart]

[mystic idol]

Wang Qing died at 53 ahaha

[prime fog]

yes, I just was looking the video again, the count up in the video was talking about the time period or something

in the end say he died at 53

mistery solved

bro was a machine of war, that trailer is crazy

[unkempt pumice]

He was also killed twice, 15 minutes apart

(first he zombified, and his reanimation was killed by jiang)

[prime fog]

I am not this hype from a game since World of Warcraft hellyeah

[thorny timber]

and he was sick of fighting, hence the arrowless quiver in his "strife for peace" armor

i still dont think mc is his child

i just want to be out of the kaifeng politics arc asap cuz i kinda dgaf

i love the side quests outside of the city

tho its all related but i dont rlly enjoy the city part

[prime fog]

I enjoy all of it so far, my biggest issue with the game was the localization issue and Dub glitches, but it has getting better. The only questline I didnt enjoy much was the Ghost market bit

[proper orbit]

Apprently Wang Qing has a son irl

His name's Wang Shoujun (王守钧)

[plucky palm]

Indian squad for Nameless General boss farm, PS5 Pro + iOS, Hell drinks ready!

Grokbhai op ki taraf se

[half hinge]

Lie Buxi mentioned in game during conversation that Wang Qing had a daughter, bookworm Wang Miaomiao who was sent away from Northern Vow Ruins before raid of Khitan army, I hope we're gonna meet her eventually. I doubt that our MC is her son/daughter and we're Wang Qing's grandchild ^,^"

[foggy tiger]

I don't think there's any chance mc is wang qings kid

Mc has jade pendant carved with name. Usually nobles kids have them not general's kids. There's no importance to being a kid of a general hence it's unlikely mc would be hunted over his identity

Unless there's some deviation plot twist in the story that reveals wang qing has some claim to the throne somewhere that makes his offspring have some importance (which is extremely unlikely as this game tries to stick with history)

[unkempt pumice]

Generals are nobles

[foggy tiger]

No not really

Generals are just military men

[unkempt pumice]

ummmmmm no

theres a whole system

[mental ermine]

[unkempt pumice]

lots of generals end up being qianhu hou or wanhu hou (aka duke of a thousand or duke of ten thousand, meaning the amount of farmers given to his estate)

[half hinge]

It really depends, I think
if Wang Qing was promoted by Shi Chonggui, maybe general could have achieved nobility status, we know him as general but who knows, maybe he was also some kind of Minister of Works or someone high-ranked in the society ^^

[foggy tiger]

Generals are land owners yes but they aren't having any claim to thrones. Which means there's no political importance to their offspring aside from petty inheritance dispute

[mental ermine]

Those titles have nothing to do with nobility anymore

Cant even pass it to their kids

[foggy tiger]

I don't see how mc jade pendant story devolving into us being a generals kid and.. Inheriting a city which is inconsequential to the story

[unkempt pumice]

they grant a certain immunity status and also pay less taxes

[mental ermine]

That's not nobility

[unkempt pumice]

thats not the point, the kid cant be a royal since those ppl had actual recorded history

[foggy tiger]

Won't be first time illigetimate son raise a rebellion to attempt claim throne in Chinese history

[unkempt pumice]

china didnt have nobility per that definition then, beside the royal family. this is the only type of previledge given to ppl non-royal for both generals and civil officials

[mental ermine]

Yup

Extra salary

[unkempt pumice]

this part of history is actually very well documented
also illegitimate kid isnt rly a theme unlike that of the west, since most kids are legitimate (and theres a lot of them) with a well defined system of succession and inheritance

especially this period, royal blood means absolutely nothing, who has the troop means everything

[alpine path]

Li Zuo’s recorded history already goes out of the window as he didn’t die as he expected to.
(Not that I defend any theory here)

[unkempt pumice]

chai rong's own legitimate kid couldnt even last more than 6 months let along a random

[foggy tiger]

If mc were wang qing offspring there is cause for Jiang Yan to take care of mc, but there is no reason to keep identity secret from mc. Also there's no reason for enemies to hunt down mc aside from petty revenge which does not hold water

[thorny timber]

dont know if legit but i would support this

[foggy tiger]

The story would not make sense if mc were just offspring of a general

There's no political weight here

[unkempt pumice]

if I were south tang, the head of wang qing's only kid would be a handsome gift to liao

[grave sinew]

Wasn't there like a theory about MC being emperor's Ai's child?

That wouldn't make sense since he died at 15 irl but here he is in game alive as some antagonist

[unkempt pumice]

remember, the pendant was stolen when tian ying and jiang yan rode back together after escaping from south tang

[foggy tiger]

Sorry but this sounds ridiculous to me

[foggy tiger]

The thief is already known from leaks.....

[unkempt pumice]

idgaf, its you vs the entire bilibili, im sure they are more well versed in chinese history, some might be even involved in the development of the game

[foggy tiger]

To us.. Not mc I mean

[foggy tiger]

Lol sure

[unkempt pumice]

like, you can make any point but like they are 2 seasons ahead, have 10x the players and most know the culture

[thorny timber]

bilibili also ships mc with jin zhongyuan based on 2 interactions so

[unkempt pumice]

thats a meme

jin is literally zhao 2

[thorny timber]

they are very biased

[foggy tiger]

Dude, mc identity is still unknown in cn

[paper rampart]

You’re saying the pendant with our name recorded on it exists way before we were born?

[thorny timber]

i know, just saying they can be very ridiculous with their theories

[unkempt pumice]

still, you'll never meet a netease person here on discord

[half hinge]

I personally doubt it but we'll see, Wang Miaomiao might have changed her name later and married into royal family.
Time will show who our MC really is, Zhenguan Jade pendant should be quite a rare item, right? Not sure what game tells about it but I checked Google and it seemed to be some kind of memento from Tang dynasty (I think I read something about Zhenguan era there)

[foggy tiger]

Anything they have is conjecture too. And like I said, mc being wang qing offspring just does not make logical sense to base the story around

[thorny timber]

eg. "jiang yan is raising another kid just like us but evil" is also a popular theory over there

[unkempt pumice]

you cant use the fact bad theory exist to deny the most mainstream theory by a long shot

[prime fog]

question, Wuxia stories always follow 100% history facts besides the fantasy ? cause I assume they can have some creative freedom for a game, movies, fiction books.... kind like Arthurian legends follow more or less bristh history with some freedom

[thorny timber]

yeah i dont think so either tbh but i wouldnt be mad if its real (big if)

[thorny timber]

i can bc its all dumb

im an independent thinker thanks

[unkempt pumice]

@thorny timber if i say mc is aunt han and zhao's child does that discredit all theories here

[thorny timber]

false equivalent

pipe down, no one cares

[unkempt pumice]

you're the one tryna put me down

[half hinge]

Do we know who Han Xiangxun is for real? :>

[foggy tiger]

Yea of course

I mean, there's surely creative license taken

[thorny timber]

jin yong does for the most parts, other authors not as much

[alpine path]

You make it sound way more widespread than it is. It is just one of them.

[thorny timber]

im a gu long enjoyer personally, his stories dont touch on history at all

[unkempt pumice]

there are certain creative license that will cause so much backlash and the primary goal of netease is to make money
so we're safe to rule out those

[foggy tiger]

It's wild how u are trying to put everyone down instead. Bro it's just lore discussion. No need take it so serious

[unkempt pumice]

im not being serious

[foggy tiger]

Time will tell anyway

[unkempt pumice]

this is my entire point here

[thorny timber]

pun unintended 🙉

[grave sinew]

Hey has it been discovered in CN who has the other half of MC's pendant

[unkempt pumice]

obviously its fictional but it cant go too far since making a triple-a game is expensive asf

[mystic idol]

no

[ivory zenith]

Will we have some kind of revival technique for little girl at the start? We kind of got ton of mythical stuff already we can have an imortality peach to revive or some crystal drops to get her back

[foggy tiger]

Chance of that probably as high as u getting 10x harmonic core on first 10 gacha spin

[ivory zenith]

Wow, welp...as long as there is a chance, my hope shall never fade

[foggy tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sign-of-the-cross-praying-hoping-nico-santos-gif-16215947

[thorny timber]

i hope not her death was too iconic

[mystic idol]

what mythical stuff do we have

I don't think there's anything super mythical

[wild marsh]

There’s not much resurrection stuff in wuxia

Although I guess there is the deer god

But we didn’t see rubys body so she’s not confirmed dead

[ivory zenith]

Well a dead girl resentment or wtv kept her body intact as you solved her wish she simply vanished, you fought that greedy guy while also fighting some giant diety whoever that is so we got pretty much mythical stuff going on

And infinity castle too

[ivory zenith]

WAIT RLY? I THOUGHT WE BURIED HERE AFTER WE FOUND HER BODY NEAR HORSE?

[wild marsh]

Maybe, I don’t remember exactly but it didn’t happen on screen so here’s hoping

Faking death is a common trope

[ivory zenith]

I hope the lady we looking for saved her somehow as she dissappeared (I'm bad with remembering names)

Aunt smth

[wild marsh]

That’s what a lot of people are saying

[dire fog]

water lady/aunt han was in the area when blissful was attacked, she may have saved ruby and took her

[main halo]

okay but I just finished the turtle granny story last night and it crushed me just as much

[wild marsh]

There’s a tombstone for ruby bear blessful retreat but some people are saying they don’t have the tombstone

[dire fog]

there is 100% tombstone but who to say if she is buried there or it's just in memory of her

[wild marsh]

Either way we didn’t see her die

[ivory zenith]

Even without body ppl make that to honor them maybe it's that

[wild marsh]

Yea probably

[smoky summit]

I doubt we'll see Ruby alive again, not because it's not possible for the writers (they could do it, her death is not 100% explicit), but because from what I've seen so far, they commit to the sad parts of the story

[ivory zenith]

I'm confused abt many stuff abt that young daughter or her other you know to not spoil for others, we deff need a backstory clearer abt that, but honestly found it emotional but not heartbreaking too much

[smoky summit]

I can deffinitely see the writers bringing her back in the form of visions from the past for some side quest, or things like that

[dire fog]

I think it's fine to spoil in this channel, if someone cares they shouldn't be reading

[ivory zenith]

Like the village souls of that budha area maybe

[mystic idol]

they can't show it on screen

[wild marsh]

There is that one quest for her which I really thought she was still alive

[mystic idol]

CN right now forbid media displaying violent harm on children

[ivory zenith]

Bruh

[smoky summit]

Like the side quest we do after she's dead with the treasure maps left from her and such. I can see them making more content related to her (idk, finding her mom in a new region and making some quests that talk about her past, for example)

[mystic idol]

so if they showed the arrow going through ruby or something the game wouldn't be published 😂

[smoky summit]

same 😭 that one broke me even more than her actual death lol

[wild marsh]

Death and blood are also censored in the subtitle

[smoky summit]

because I had lots of hope during the last part

[mystic idol]

the best they could do was show her in the bottom corner of the screen (arm and bit of head) and then show her arm also there during the scene with the horse right after that part of the quest to "show you" she died

[dire fog]

not exactly arrow but they could confirm their death like with the other kid npc that passed in one wandering tale, idr it's name

[wild marsh]

Me when I find the pile of heads by the door from the other quest

[mystic idol]

they showed you a scene where the horse saw the kid's arm (and by extension im assuming the whole body) and then neighed in sadness 😭

[dire fog]

really? I may have missed that 🤔

[mystic idol]

its the cutscene where you're the horse and you finally make it up to the location marker where ruby tied the cloak

the horse approaches and on the bottom left corner again you can see her arm

[ivory zenith]

I remember that but at least show him burying her... and put those sticks and flowers

[mystic idol]

there is a gravestone for her

in blissful retreat somewhere

[dire fog]

there is a quest I think too that leads to her gravestone

[ivory zenith]

Imma go look for that right after maintenance

[mystic idol]

in chinese it says 周氏之女 iirc (i might have misremembered the exact words) but roughly means either "Daughter of Zhou Family" or "Ruby of Zhou Family" (I don't recall if they included her actual name 红线)

[ivory zenith]

Can you do/put flowers at tombstone or just stare?

[dire fog]

listen this is max copium I know but aunt han is super good at changing faces, maybe she left a clone of ruby lmao

[mystic idol]

i think just stare

you could always do the bow emote infront of it 😭

actually, i wish they'd give us like a pay respects emoji where you pour wine

[smoky summit]

can't you do something like that with one sidequest?

[foggy tiger]

Not bad that's pro max plus ultra

[smoky summit]

The old man you become friends with, and much later you find out he's dead and you pour some wine in his grave to pay respects

[mystic idol]

oya

they should just give us that

[ivory zenith]

Frr

That death was too sudden and too soon i didn't expect that at all

[dire fog]

the fact she's not in the dream blissful retreat too

[ivory zenith]

I'm thinking they might add new map area where story further progress

[wild marsh]

Oh yea that was another reason people think she’s alive

But the dogs died tho

Poor mahjong dogs

[dire fog]

lul

[foggy tiger]

She is. She's seen in the cutscene when u do the fireworks thingy

[dire fog]

come on don't keep debunking my copium

when?!

[foggy tiger]

[mystic idol]

she is

[ivory zenith]

I thought story ended with main one but seems beauty of it still lingering with side quests,
So imma take my leave, pleasure chatting with yall

[mystic idol]

during the fireworks scene, theres a close up on ruby too

its very quick though

[mystic idol]

side quests are fantastic, although it takes a lot to connect everything because of how scattered and sometimes non-sequential they are to each other

[dire fog]

NOOOOOOOO YOU'RE RIGHT I FOUND HER

[ivory zenith]

Deff going to check on all of them now, can't miss a chance to know more abt ruby

[foggy tiger]

I wish they were more connected. During main story quest big Zhao invited mc for bbq I spent a couple hours scouring the city and didn't find him. I only found the bbq day before yesterday. Lmao

[dire fog]

ok fine you guys win I give up RIP bozo 😂

[mystic idol]

its ok it just means now you permawear red bracelet if you weren't already doing that

(unless you haven't done that quest... in which case... do that quest )

hahaaha

[dire fog]

I have 100% both maps there are too many accessories not enough slots

turtle and golden leaf

[mystic idol]

i will always rotate out stuff, but never the red bracelet

[foggy tiger]

Well golden leaf was meaningful but.. Nobody died so I stopped wearing it

[mystic idol]

its also what her name technically means, 红线 = literally red string which is what the bracelet's made of 😔

[dire fog]

ah, makes sense they named her Ruby

[dire fog]

someone has to die to please this demon

[mystic idol]

yeah, keeps the red theme while keeping the name be kind of endearing

[wispy frost]

wait u can get the turtle only through a limited quest??

[foggy tiger]

One of the npc said something real good during golden leaf though. 家家都有自己的招牌菜。家里娃娃爱吃的菜成为家里的招牌菜

Every family had their signature dish. The kid in the family favourite dish become their signature dish

Make u wanna call up your mom

[dire fog]

yea you can get a turtle that hangs on your belt from granny turtle

[lunar nebula]

Yes. It's used to seal marriage too. It would be odd to see a Chinese npc that had green eyes and fair hair. But a few Romans did go to China during the Han Dynasty.

[wispy frost]

so there is no way for me to get it now? TT

[lunar nebula]

I cry if they were real turtles...

[smoky summit]

Absolutely. I've been trying to convince my friends that the side stories from this game are as mature and deep as the best ones from RDR2

[alpine path]

What do you mean limited? Was it not main story one?

[smoky summit]

sadly they see "free" and "gacha" on the game and refuse to try it (can't blame them lol)

[dire fog]

I think you can get it anyways there is no way they will lock someone out of accessory

but idk how... I got it from her when she offered

[wispy frost]

i dont think i have it thats why.. i guess i gotta check in 20 mins

[foggy tiger]

See if u can find her iirc trade wind bazzar

[dire fog]

I liked most of the stories in this game but river master ending was confusing af

something confusing happens -> screen fades to black

[mystic idol]

there's so many good lines in this game 😭

the one zhao says about fighting and war

[lunar nebula]

I like the donkey one.

[mystic idol]

is much deeper if you understand chinese/listen to what he says in chinese

[mental ermine]

止戈为武

[lunar nebula]

I kinda do. My dad watched a lot medieval/fantasy chinese dramas on VHS... Of all formats to watch on tv..

[mystic idol]

also at this point i just completely swapped to chinese text but

in kaifeng furnace of righteousness, is the english text during the cutscene "I am a true hero" or something? what does it say in english?

cuz i saw some chinese speaking players talk about how that line was butchered by localization, when it was kind of one of the standout lines in CN too

[smoky summit]

It's a shame that they didn't hire a top-class localization team. I guess they didn't expect western players to be invested in the story and thought we'd only click next all the time lol

[foggy tiger]

By whom? By avarice? I don't remember that though

[mystic idol]

yeah

it was supposed to be the part where you leap out of the furnace and jump to the prefect

in chinese the line is 苍生无言，侠为其声

[foggy tiger]

Oh wait I think that ring a bell

Ya that was awesome I remember but I don't remember what it said exactly

But I got goosebumps

[mint spade]

苍生无言，侠为其声

"When the world is without speech, Xia will be its voice."

But the problem lies in translating Xia

[mint spade]

Xia could be "chivalry", "heroism", "a hero"...

And you tie it to One Leaf quest where everyone is Xia and everyone has a voice...

[mystic idol]

yes, without understanding xia its hard to make the connection to one leaf quest, which also shows 侠为其声

[mint spade]

But translating it as "True Hero" makes the story about some stupid "Chosen One" like all western stories

[foggy tiger]

Anw u know what mc says to wayfarer every time to get map? zhi chi 天涯, 天涯 zhi chi

I don't get what is zhi chi

[mint spade]

天涯咫尺

天涯 edge of the sky
咫尺 distance like Zhi(about 7 inches)

It means "far and away, yet close at hand".

Referring to something connected even though they are far apart

[foggy tiger]

Expanding my Chinese vocab again. Goddam

[mint spade]

The reverse, 咫尺天涯, means "close at hand, yet separated far apart"

[paper rampart]

How about you go and type this instead

So close yet so far

[foggy tiger]

Those wayfarer need to move their arse though. They suppose to wander around China not become my static teleport point

[mint spade]

So close yet so far is about not reaching a goal, while this is about connection between things

[paper rampart]

Dudes drafted the entire region that took years.

[foggy tiger]

Naw it just roads. He didn't mark out all the chest for me

[mint spade]

For example, you won't say a girlfriend on the other side of the world connecting with you through Whatsapp "so close yet so far" or vice versa

[foggy tiger]

All the dishes in the game, there's no roast duck

Or roast goose

[proper orbit]

these are blasphemous words in this game >.>

May the goose overlord forgive us

[foggy tiger]

Wdym there's roast goose it's on fire and everything

Just go heal the goose and fail u'll see what i mean

[proper orbit]

i've also had my fair share of.... tragic goose encounters :/

[foggy tiger]

I was prepared

I was like a week in before I thought. What if I killed the goose instead of healing it

So I click the icon, wow it says golden egg I gotta try it

I was prepared for it so it wasn't an issue. I wasn't prepared for all it's buddies to jump me too so..

[paper rampart]

I wouldn’t be surprised if qianye is our mum and our father is now a faceless whose name only aunt han knows.

[foggy tiger]

no thank u there will be a billion chat that put qianye picture caption mommy

[wild marsh]

Qianye is aunt Han s brother

Or at least part of her

[opal sonnet]

where do you use teh revelry hall secret key?

[paper rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/1180042348755963924/1180056797906735164

[opal sonnet]

it is also lore related. so?

[opal sonnet]

you have time to post that , but not answer a question about lore, got it. thank you

[paper rampart]

#🌱beginner-questions message

[opal sonnet]

found it, thanks for the help to the person who messaged me.

[frigid maple]

hi all got question about chapter 1 since i just finished it can i perhaps get answer without being spoilered on whatever happens afterward??

i just beat qianye and im so confused towards the ending

killerblade "sacrificed" himself and somehow we got out and in the end was it aunt han that saved us?? afterwards everything is black and we suddenly on our way to kaifeng without much explanation on why?? did i perhaps miss something?

i feel like after the qianye battle ends --> suddenly we going to kaifeng

im a bit confused on what exactly happened in between those 2 event

we didnt even get to meet aunt han to explain / antyhing and we were just told to go to kaifeng immediately (?)

[opal sonnet]

i am a bit confused there also mate. hoping someone can give some clarification.

[paper rampart]

Aunt Han was outside the trap.
Aunt Han was in last in contact with Wen Wu Que.

[vague shoal]

U have a letter in your mail from Wen Wuque who was in contact with aunt Han, the guy is in kaifeng so he's your only lead to find her

[paper rampart]

He?

[vague shoal]

Shhh

[frigid maple]

who is this wen wu que?

[frigid maple]

wait what wtf?! so aunt han saved us and suddenly she dissapeared?? and somehow now we need to find wen wu que to talk to aunt han?

[eternal widget]

The story continued in the side quest. You can look for encounter her legacy and dreamscape for the afterstory chapter 1

[frigid maple]

should i do that first before going to kaifeng then?

[vague shoal]

Cause aureate pavillion is after her

[frigid maple]

do u happen to have the screenshot of this letter? i think mine is gone

[eternal widget]

If you want to. Just do it for the afterstory

[vague shoal]

It's in your mail

[frigid maple]

which one?

[frigid maple]

the one lore related seems to be the wang clan patriach or the han xiangxiu but no mention of kaifeng

[eternal widget]

For the dreamscape, you can enter the zone after touching yi dao blade near the burned pagoda in blissful retreat

[frigid maple]

sorry so theres 2 different one right?

• legacy encounter
• dreamscape

??? how do i get to the legacy encounter

[eternal widget]

Her legacy encounter is in heaven's pier

[frigid maple]

ok ill try to look for those 2

[vague shoal]

The one with Wuque as the sender

[eternal widget]

Near wine storage

[frigid maple]

oooo 👀 realistically why would the MC trust a random person 😭 he didnt even mention anything about aunt han

[vague shoal]

The letter is literally called to han xiangxun lol

That's aunt han's name...

[crimson birch]

just decided to read wolf maiden lore so she was at the place during the twelve years of feud quest. is she someone related to the zheng household or a innocent civillian caught up in the fire?

[vague shoal]

Yes she was a survivor

[crimson birch]

that fire event definitely led to quite the tragedies subsequent...

[frigid maple]

OHHH BRUHHHHHH

OK I COMPLETLEY MISSED THAT 🤣

wait how the hell is the message in MC hand?

also where the hell is RUBY 💀 why did she not appear at all what happen to her 😭

[vague shoal]

She got shot bruh

[frigid maple]

what

SHE ACTUALLY DIED?!?!

WAS THAT NOT THE HORSE THAT KINDA PROTECT HER OR SMTH?

[vague shoal]

Yeah but the arrows kept coming, horse can only do so much

[frigid maple]

wtf 😭 i thought the one that is buried is the killer blade but it was ruby burial instead?!! 😭

[vague shoal]

ruby's grave is somewhere else

[eternal widget]

You will meet ruby again if you completed her legacy encounter

[frigid maple]

is this the thing u mentioned?

is it not just qianye boss fight?

[vague shoal]

Heaven's pier

[eternal widget]

No. The blade is near the pagoda in blissful retreat

[frigid maple]

this one?

[eternal widget]

No. The encounter is her legacy

In heaven's pier

You need to trigger the encounter first near the wine storage in heaven's pier

[frigid maple]

ok yep i triggered it already im in heaven pier and theres an "encounter"

[eternal widget]

Her legacy encounter?

[frigid maple]

how do i differentiate those

is there a "legacy encounter" text?

[eternal widget]

You can look at the encounter title

[eternal widget]

Like this one. The title is beauty and the blade

[frigid maple]

i walked into the area

an animation of text saying "encounter" appeared on screen

[vague shoal]

You have to pick up a map in the winery to trigger the encounter

[frigid maple]

found it ok thank u

[crimson birch]

@frigid maple prepare some tissues with you for the legacy encounter quest...

[frigid maple]

fkk im scared...

i want to go fishing but i have neither the bait nor the fishing rod 💀 🤣

[paper rampart]

@vague shoal

[paper rampart]

[crimson birch]

i always equip the ||ruby's bracelet|| to keep her promise with us in the last moments she said in her legacy encounter quest

ruby... my lil sister...

[eternal widget]

Same man. She is just a child 😢

[frigid maple]

wait so whose grave is this?? killerblade?

where did ruby got buried?

[crimson birch]

yeah... i was so sad when she made that decision to go up the hill ||to help us get out of the formation even tho she knew she would be dead because her flag would also attract enemies||

[eternal widget]

That uncle has only just one task...

[crimson birch]

i looked around and think it's around here according to a reddit post

[eternal widget]

And couldn't do it properly

[frigid maple]

bruh ruby not getting a burial cutscene while kllerblade gets one is a CRIME 💀

[crimson birch]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[frigid maple]

WAIT WHICH AREA IS THAT

ohh nvm i found it

😭

[crimson birch]

are you ok gng

[frigid maple]

no im not aunt han wtf are you all doing while everyone is dieing 😭 she better had a very good damn reason leaving everyone like that

and now she left without saying anything other than letters istg she is so irresponsible 😤

[paper rampart]

Bro, aunt han can’t even get in the trap to save people.
Plus, she had a more difficult job to do. She was being hunted.

[crimson birch]

for the aunt han thing but isn't because we in a formation she can't help from outside

[frigid maple]

sorry i know
she prolly had a good reason but soo many people died cuz of her im just so salty and she barely appear

[crimson birch]

tbh she did appear she was the one saving us in the end

[paper rampart]

People died because they delayed the move out.

[frigid maple]

and dissapeared again and now we gottta scour through kaifeng for her 😭

idk havent played kaifeng so didnt know what to expect there yet 🤣

[paper rampart]

Despite ordering the people to move out immediately

[crimson birch]

tbh she was wanted and ppl were hunting her so i think that's the reason for her disappearance. in kaifeng spoiler ||even her close martial art friend which we had the chance to speak during a quest says even she doesnt know where aunt han is.|| knowing this i think it's a tight situation for her as well

[frigid maple]

wait at this point of the story should i know which "new safe place" aunt han were mentioning?

[paper rampart]

While ruby died a cruel death saving us by breaking the trap, yidao on the other hand, died happily with wines around him despite being killed by qianye.

[frigid maple]

or was it revealed on the kaifeng quest

[paper rampart]

Thats for you to find out in kaifeng

[frigid maple]

got it

ill move around qinghe first and see whats there before going to kaifeng

[paper rampart]

The boat you rode on, the guy who will bring you to kaifeng, remember his face well.

[frigid maple]

i will 👀 🤣

[crimson birch]

is it related to a campaign quest 👀

[paper rampart]

[crimson birch]

the suspense LMAO

[paper rampart]

You done the kaifeng story?

[crimson birch]

speaking of i saw a video on tt with zhao guangyi and us doing some encounter(?)/quest with him, what quest again was it??? i haven't done a quest with him in it execpt for the banquest stuff where big zhao, him, and master discussing about the matters of the kingdom through dinner lol

[crimson birch]

yup fought the god of avarice and everything that guy is so scary wtf

[paper rampart]

It’s heavenfall, you see him again.

[crimson birch]

oo time to finish some remaining quests then

[paper rampart]

[vague shoal]

It's lost chapter

[crimson birch]

the new update one or the old one? i haven't finished all lost chapters yes

[vague shoal]

Old one, 7 or 8 iirc

[sudden shard]

Where is this?

[limpid wolf]

Question, is it ever revealed what Little Zhao says to the River Master to make him drop his vengeance?

[vague shoal]

We dont know yet

[paper rampart]

It’s not small zhao though. It’s the same guy who entered martial temple. I forgot his name.

Oh. I remembered the cutscene now.

Well, us MC got used to skipping many details. Might as well as get used to this one.

[lunar nebula]

His final form is just a illusion conjured up by the sound or vibrations of the coins. So not that scary, except his greed.

[paper rampart]

I mean look at aunt han saving us and afterwards? No.

[lunar nebula]

Also he moves very quick for a fat offical.

[limpid wolf]

He is not an official, he is the second treasurer of Weiyang

[paper rampart]

He is an imposter disguised as Lord Shi. The real one got killed by him.

[lunar nebula]

Former, since he works for the Aurate Pavilion now. He is as his disguise as Lord Shi.

[sudden shard]

Lord Shi?

[abstract widget]

Yh

[foggy tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-pirates-of-the-caribbean-why-is-the-rum-gone-why-is-it-gone-gif-17500809

[paper fractal]

hi hi sorry to disturb lore chat, i had stumbled across this underground place once in kaifeng, dont remember exactly where and i want to go back 😭

signpost told me to interact w murong yuan first and get some letter or sumn (bcs nothing happened down there) and now that i finished murong yuan's quest, i was hoping to go back but i dont remember where

if any quest point comes to mind pls do tell 🙏🙏🙏

[woeful forge]

is it the one with only one big chest and a bell above it?

if yes then it might be the "the Lu and Mo Debate" Wandering Tale. Thats the only quest that comes to mind involving interacting with Murong Yuan.

[paper fractal]

i thinkk??

small rectangle room, dark af and to the right is a path that leads u back to the first room

some soldiers defeated along the path too

[woeful forge]

ohhh then I think it really might be the Lu and Mo Debate

[paper fractal]

ALRIGHT

[woeful forge]

Teleport to Masterwood Hamlet Boundary Stone and go to that Shrine like place

[paper fractal]

thanks so muchh 🫶 ill go check out a guide

[woeful forge]

just to be sure its the one where you have to dive down into a pool right to get to the underground place? (overthinking coz who knows i might be wrong 😭)

[woeful forge]

no problem 🌟✨️ (praying im right HAHAHAH)

[paper fractal]

i just arrived and pls dw u were 100% right 🫶😭

sneaky entrance

[half hinge]

I think she cared deeply about local folk of Heaven's Pier and left the area so the rest could survive and the hunting party could move elsewhere.
Aureate Pavilion didn't search for Zhenguan Jade only, I remember I bumped onto letter which mentioned how Aunt Han's past is confirmed by unknown party (possibly the ones responsible for invasion) so she probably secured important items and moved away to the next "hideout".
Be aware that I don't know what will happen next (I'm inside well of Evercare Clinic, got scared of Faceless Ones and lights gone out due to maintenance earlier) but something is telling me that Aunt Han doesn't work alone and she escaped to meet others or report situation to someone I'm not aware yet, she was planning to evacuate earlier but the invaders were one step ahead of her, I think ^^

[half hinge]

We can only assume what could have happened if she told anyone, I think she wanted to avoid panic and don't give a sign to the invaders that they know they're in danger, otherwise people couldn't have a chance to survive that attack. I feel like if enemy knew we know, nobody would be left alive

Panic and chaos during escape, I can only imagine how it could have ended 😄

[paper rampart]

high chance there was a spy.

[sullen monolith]

Is there a video that explains the whole lore? I dont understand anytin

[sudden shard]

You can see the 1st room below the shrine too🤣

[timber nebula]

here for my daily ruby mourning

[timber nebula]

they're looking for the box faceless man was protecting

[thorny timber]

lol she making sure she not dieing😂😂😂

Anyway I just finished the deer shrine quest and bruh so disappointed I didn’t get to fight the deer. But later found out that some velvet shade members in Kaifeng also worship the deer goddess so maybe we can fight it there in the future.

[light meadow]

84 gb ? whattttt

😦

only update 😶

[true nebula]

mine took 117gb

[light meadow]

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[true nebula]

[proper orbit]

I really like the way you get immersed in the game world like that.

[lavish sail]

okay do we know who the shimmer of south is ?

i just finished the quest but i couldnt really figure it out

[proper orbit]

I believe he is the ruler of Southern Tang.

this

[proven forum]

WHERE IS OF TOPICS

[ruby sigil]

Ok this part is hilarious

[timber nebula]

haha truly the greatest rat kings

[ruby sigil]

Private dinner party for the rat kings

[timber nebula]

yes

[proper orbit]

I love the little ones

[lavish sail]

damn and what would southern tang exaclty benefit from that , im a little lost about the politics in game

[dry cradle]

1 of the 2 kids is auntie han amirite?

[tropic dawn]

Does anyone have a lead on who the Nameless General is?

[iron canyon]

that's actually cute they considered the children

[sudden shard]

No i think. Is it qianye?

[proper orbit]

Southern Tang fears the northern dynasties and Song (the dynasty that the mc is in), is the dynasty that is ruling the area directly north of Southern Tang.

For a long time in the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period, Southern Tang has always been threatened by the northern dynasties.

The Song Dynasty was determined to conquer Southern Tang eventually.

So it is understandable to see Southern Tang work secretly to undermine Song

There is a lot of cloak and dagger stuff in this game

[lavish sail]

Ah okay that makes alot of sense

[half hinge]

Yup, most likely. First Jar Banquet could attract a lot of attention, be a good occassion to hide there as a guest to act as spy but they might have also been installed there long ago in Heaven's Pier or even Harvestfall Village to gain trust among folk and gather intel ^^

[half hinge]

I'm yet to retrieve it! Maintenance in the evening thwarted my exploration plans and I was too scared to visit the well at 3 AM, Faceless Ones scared me enough when I stepped on trap and made them attack me, sounds inside when I walked past them were disturbing 😄

will continue soon~

[tribal tapir]

Yeee

[errant junco]

Guys. How to do new encounter at black market?

[grim panther]

Was aunt han dead lover actually tian ying? Him changing his appearance on his own reminds me of how aunt han refused to help her lover change appearance and they fought on bell tower, and that yi dao said he propably died because he fell into the water and after we fight tian he also falls into the water

[remote igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-mcdaniel-shocked-nfl-gif-12171763068966667198

[strange moon]

anybody know how to get the new instrument

[vague shoal]

Aunt han's lover is Chu, but tian ying and chu know each other and teamed up to steal aunt han's face changing scroll

[grim panther]

I see 🤔

[tribal tapir]

Probably not? Considering that, tian ying and the other guy is on a whole different place during the same time line. As at the time that aunt Hans' lover die his on the run with yi dao, and Im assuming that at the same time (not sure on this one yet ) that tian Ying is hiding in one of the largest prison on another country, after he assassinated that khitan ambassador on southern tang territory.

[mystic idol]

Me too i perma keep this on

[timber nebula]

no its chu

[timber nebula]

drum and two sticks

and a insense tray i think

[mystic idol]

Look on youtube theres a lot

[timber nebula]

williams weeb for lore story and wwm girl for deep dive

[slender vector]

ngl kinda confused by li yu boss
why did he come and drop aunt han lore, and why did we attack him for it?

[vague shoal]

He stole our wine

[slender vector]

and why does he know all the bosses we fought previously? bro got a go pro on us or what

[vague shoal]

He's the mastermind behind the whole thing lol

[tribal tapir]

Probably spies

[vague shoal]

Along with ember of the east

[mystic idol]

Which is li yu boss

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[low heart]

is peace an option?

[paper plinth]

I think they might be talking about yi dao guy ( i forgot if that's the correct spelling)

Cuz he does steal the wine in the dream place

Or idk

[lament grotto]

bro its so sad when i remember mc is only 15-16 before she's left all alone. I was nagging A'ran that her family would miss her, only to get clapped back with 'doesnt your family miss you too?'

[paper plinth]

Wait what quest is that, I haven't done it omg

[lament grotto]

golden leaf quest

omg its so heartbreaking its a quest series

[paper plinth]

Dangg

[lament grotto]

its about the aftermath of the khitan war and how families coped with the grief of their lost loved ones

[paper plinth]

Awhh

Ngl this game is pretty emotional

[mystic idol]

mc 16, if you've done kaifeng msq the mc also display signs of slight ptsd

[paper plinth]

First ruby

[lament grotto]

NO I ANSWERED THE FIRST OPTION AND SHE SAID 'so what if shes gone? she's still worried about you.' 😭

[paper plinth]

😭😭

[mystic idol]

there was a part where we're in unbound cavern and have to deal with something about fire and the mc says (I'm scared of fire) referring to the trauma from blissful retreat burning 😔

[lament grotto]

'i worry about my dad at home, and i'll worry about my dad when im at the river bank. it makes no difference'

[paper plinth]

Ah yes I remember thatt

Ngl I felt all of that

[shadow radish]

man

[lament grotto]

💔 wwm is just sadness after sadness

[paper plinth]

Ikr

[lament grotto]

all the lost chapters are so tragic

[mystic idol]

wait til you get to hexi 😭 its depressing af

[lament grotto]

no clue but i couldnt get past the 4 phase boss fight 💀

[paper plinth]

What the he'll is hexi 😭😭😭

[mystic idol]

the next region

[paper plinth]

Hell*

Oh

[shadow radish]

ok lets me try again
who the f**k is shimmer of south
like real identity or historical figure or he just fictional ?

[paper plinth]

wait gng how many are there

Ember of east, shimmer of south

Da hail

[mystic idol]

4, east south north west

[paper plinth]

All of them are bosses ??

[lament grotto]

no not bosses

yingying was not a boss bruh 😭

[paper plinth]

Ah yess true

No like ts got me so confused

[lament grotto]

ig like powerful figures

[mystic idol]

^

[paper plinth]

Yesyes that

[lament grotto]

i think he's a teaser for the next region imo

[mystic idol]

shimmer of south is rumored to be the ruler of southern tang (jiangnan) in disguise

[lament grotto]

everyone is in disguise in this game man

[paper plinth]

Meh I agree on that

[lament grotto]

i mean when you can get a new face by just shopping down at 9mw identity fraud becomes a lot more easier ill tell ya that

[paper plinth]

Dao lord was a crazyy reveal tho

[shadow radish]

ember of east is yingying
shimmer of south is real mastermind
he ask yingying to help him with gold tresure plan in return to help yingying back home in weiyang
go on yingying too kind so she decide to help people of kaifeng instead of ruin the whole kaifeng and song dynasty

that southman let it go and just observe and from the note we pick up
he kinda fond of us and battle with him is like a test

end with he will wait us at jiangnan (this unlock via top of velvet shade hall key from dark surge)

[lament grotto]

when someone on the streets say 'what if the dao lord is three dogs in a trenchcoat' sarcastically and you gotta sideeye him

[paper plinth]

Ohhhhhhhhh

[lament grotto]

is yingying a minor deity?

[paper plinth]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

dam

[lament grotto]

i cant tell if she ascended into being an immortal or if she was born a minor god

[shadow radish]

yingying is fallen noble from other city

[lament grotto]

oooh

[paper plinth]

I might have skipped some cutscenes which I regret meh

[shadow radish]

something cant get from cutscenes mate

its come with note you pick while exploration

[paper plinth]

Nono im talking the ones where they explain some of the storyline like in kaifeng

[paper plinth]

Mhm trye

True*

[lament grotto]

wow immediately after that quest i had to stop someone from commiting suicide by the river bank, this is just depression the game at this point

[paper plinth]

Wha

[lament grotto]

cant kaifeng cut ANY of these guys some slack 😭

[paper plinth]

Oh yeh there's someone in blissful retreat tryna suicide and

Idk why I had the option to trash talk...

[lament grotto]

THERES 2 OF THEM?

[paper plinth]

And idk why it worked......

[lament grotto]

the one in kaifeng was meridian touch

[paper plinth]

Theres this guy tryna jump in a well

In blissful

And somehow I saved him by trash talk...

[shadow radish]

mate wait until you guy read zheng E lore

[paper plinth]

😭😭

Ive just defeated him , and I do not know the lore yet but it seems quite sad from just the cutscenes

His sister or sum

[shadow radish]

btw that shimmer of south kinda G4Y
he stalking us and even noted down
"WISE AND BRAVE"

[paper plinth]

Da hail

[lament grotto]

i read it and goddamn 💔

[shadow radish]

want some spoiler ? LOL

[paper plinth]

I mean im ready to read the whole thing gng

Go on :)

[shadow radish]

go read mate and u will going to burst in tear LOL

[paper plinth]

😭😭

Well thn ill save that fir later

For*

[shadow radish]

read his bio and back and click this image
you will burst in tear for real

[paper plinth]

Well so is this in like CN servers or we can get it

[paper plinth]

Hm alr leme see

[shadow radish]

its final legacy quest of kaifeng mate

[paper plinth]

Wha

[shadow radish]

its note from that quest

[paper plinth]

Legacy quest hmmmmm

I have no clue abt tht

[lament grotto]

wait who's lunar goddesses lover again?

[shadow radish]

its 1 side love

uncle tian > lunar goddess > tianying

[paper plinth]

Dayum uncle tian

[lament grotto]

what are the two pairs of clothing in the cave then?

[paper plinth]

Ohh yess that

Theres also a housewarming letter there

[lament grotto]

there was a bride's robes and i think the other one was for a man?

[paper plinth]

Look for the letter

Its close-by

Ooh i have a question for yall

If uncle Jiang alive, what happened to him

And his frnd in the white dress at staty

[shadow radish]

one is her she got sold as ghost bride back when she still young

[mystic idol]

wait what, no

[paper plinth]

Start*

[lament grotto]

hes alive

[mystic idol]

uncle tian's one sided love is aunt han

[lament grotto]

we reunite at some point iirc

[paper plinth]

Hopefully

[mystic idol]

uncle tian -> aunt han -> <- chu qingquan

[lament grotto]

wait what was qianye's relationship w aunt han? they're not sisters right?

[paper plinth]

Bro going in the dream blissful retreat was like omg and thn uncle Jiang guides us

[shadow radish]

oh i thought uncle love aunt han

[lament grotto]

or are they the twins in the shimmer of the south quest?

[shadow radish]

i have 2 theory

1. it aunt han twin body but not her twinsoul
2. it actually aunt han twin

[paper plinth]

Hmmm

[shadow radish]

but actually i prefer 1st one

[paper plinth]

Might be

[shadow radish]

this is line from qianye

and after qianye alive aunt han know imedietly that she need to hide LOL

[mystic idol]

theory in CN rn is either:

1. its aunt han's twin brother, but his body essentially harvested for qianye (pretty much what you said)
2. its aunt han's twin brother feeling betrayed by Han (because from his pov she didn't look for him)

[shadow radish]

tbh i think its the sick lady soul

[mystic idol]

yeah, more people right now saying its the former

[lament grotto]

in CN doesnt qianye have like an interest in aunt han and thats why she burned down blissful retreat?

[mystic idol]

we never know until devs confirm tho

[shadow radish]

she huntdown for uncle jiang and hanging blade

and yup aunt han is forking 1 of hanging blade

[lament grotto]

im js waiting for the update where we can restore blissful retreat

[shadow radish]

they hunt aunt han for the spy list

[mystic idol]

"interest" is more like, Qianye talks to Aunt Han as if they were acquainted/had a past. but Qianye is there to look for 1. Jiangyan, 2. clues for Tian Ying 3. List of Nameless that Han has

mostly #2 and 3

[slender hornet]

Can u tell me after emperor AI (Li Zhuo) is being dethroned, does our current kingdoms named Late Zhou or Song dynasty?

[shadow radish]

priority is nameless aka spy list and second is uncle jiang

[paper plinth]

Wait , guys , who is the blind assassin we meet at uncle Jiang house thn

[shadow radish]

its song mate

[lament grotto]

wait does anyone know what happened with that widow in kaifeng who had a baby? did she end up with a happy ending?

[slender hornet]

Then what's the deal with Late Zhou things

[mystic idol]

He Ran, he was another orphan that Wang Qing saved.

[slender hornet]

Well, she's ending with wanna buying a store, so yes

[shadow radish]

man u really need history lecture ? LOL

[mystic idol]

He lived in the shadow of Jiang Yan. Look in pinned post someone wrote a good background summary on him

[paper plinth]

So we dont meet him again ??

[slender hornet]

It just confusing to me how song dynasty is also called Late Zhou

[mystic idol]

so far no

[paper plinth]

Hmm

[shadow radish]

late zhou is like last dynasty before song
its just 9 year that they rule the china

and big brother zhao is like BEST general for late zhou

[slender hornet]

So, the transition is Tang dynasty then late Zhou, then song dynasty ?

[mystic idol]

yes you can interpret it that way

[shadow radish]

yes and no
actually before song its 5 dynasty

[slender hornet]

I see, thanks. Then the warlord that dethroned Li Zhuo is the emperor of Late Zhuo?

[slender hornet]

Aha, I see

[lavish sail]

so the two girls in the chess from the final story are aunt han and her twin ?

[slender hornet]

That's what I got too

[shadow radish]

the one who dethrone lizhuo is zhuwen

[slender hornet]

I see?

[shadow radish]

from history time line is
tang and then
later liang
later tang
later jin
later han
later zhou

[mystic idol]

english outline of dynasties and their respective years

[shadow radish]

and then its song LOL

[slender hornet]

Ouhh

[proven jackal]

so what happened to Aunt Han? feel free to spoil me 🙂

[lavish sail]

do we know if her twin did even survive ? cause from what i understood her twin basically saved her and died

[slender hornet]

She's escaped from emperor AI with the spy book in her hands I suppose

[slender hornet]

Actually, is it that way? My impression is one of the twin pushed the other to escape. Am I wrong?

[mystic idol]

its unconfirmed, but people theorize either the twin's body was harvested by Qianye (and is being used by Qianye) or twin survived and grew bitterness toward Han for "not looking for him" after she made it out, and now goes by Qianye

[slender hornet]

Him? I thought both is female

[shadow radish]

from history its call 5 dynasties and 10 kingdom
character appear for now
yingying - from han kingdom cuz
shimmer of south - from jiangnan

[mystic idol]

no, its Han's brother.

younger brother, she mentions she had a brother in blissful retreat who she thought was dead.

[lavish sail]

well maybe thats why they had a blue ribbon

[lament grotto]

the 'her' is always from aunt han's pov

[lavish sail]

in the chess one had red the other blue

[slender hornet]

I see, I see
Then does southern tang is just used to be the southern part of the tang dynasty and excluded in all those five kingdoms era?

[mystic idol]

It's also why if you look at Qianye fight/cutscene, the white persona looks more masculine (facial features and body) and looks almost reluctant to fight, while the black persona (Qianye) is bloodthirsty and smirking.

[slender hornet]

Ahh

[slender hornet]

I see

[slender hornet]

If he goes by Qianye, then danggg, that's a plot twist

[lament grotto]

did aunt han know who qianye was immediately? because she was remarkably calm for someone sitting across a demon who basically devoured her brother

[shadow radish]

its in 10 kingdom era
southern tang is 1 of 10 kingdom

[austere gull]

Anyone can help with Swallows Bond event

[slender hornet]

I see

[mystic idol]

probably not, although its unknown if she maybe had theories as well. the Qianye/Han details hasn't been brought back yet in CN afaik

[slender hornet]

Maybe ask the general or if u mobile, go to mobile chat

[shadow radish]

next cn patch we gonna see aunt han

finally

even its flashback still good to see her LOL

[mystic idol]

I really like the story they've done so far up to recent patch in CN

excited for it to come (but also not ready for all the questions people gonna have 😭 LOL)

[shadow radish]

mann tbh story gonna end up at our mc save the china LOL

[slender hornet]

Oh yeah?

[mystic idol]

it wont be something as grand as that

[lament grotto]

man i just want MC to rest tbh, she's an alcaholic at 16 😭

[shadow radish]

mate china back then its like those 16 province

[lament grotto]

outdrinking middle aged men and all

[mystic idol]

Chinese story telling seldomly revolve around a single "chosen" or "special" person who achieves super extraordinary things

its very different than western storytelling style, which tends to be individual heroism

[paper rampart]

Not sure Yingying is man or woman now after opening the secret door. His voice is wtf deep.

[slender hornet]

Do you guys already know the backroom of our MC? Cuz I heard theories he might be son or relatives of general Wang Qing or might be related to Emperor AI

[shadow radish]

like the game name Yan Yun Sixteen Sounds

[shadow radish]

secret door voice is shimmer of south mate

he gonna wait us at jiangnan LOL

[paper rampart]

Now I get it...

[slender hornet]

How u not sure after seeing her so....

[shadow radish]

i bet aour mc gonna save 16 province for sure LOL

[paper rampart]

I assumed wen wu que is east of ember

[mystic idol]

CN players treat CN like their child

[shadow radish]

wenwuque actually mean young master

[paper rampart]

The timeline gap between meeting yingying and today is too far for me to recall now

[shadow radish]

oh no

sorry

[mystic idol]

spoiler: ||16 province isnt "reclaimed" until 1300s||

[shadow radish]

gongzi mean young master

[mystic idol]

so no, MC won't do anything super grand like that

[paper rampart]

So it was shimmer we have to meet all along, not yingying

[shadow radish]

i even know how song dynasty end mate

[paper rampart]

I know puyi mate

[shadow radish]

puyi is not song synaty

[paper rampart]

exactly.

so back to the game, u guys.

[mystic idol]

yeah but this isn't a story of an individual hero in MC

[lament grotto]

this game has such a good balance between humor and gut wrenching heartache

[mystic idol]

thats why each province's side quests revolve around another central figure

[lament grotto]

because this is like- what- only 15 years after the khitan war?

[paper rampart]

Ruby

[shadow radish]

i mean he gonna end up like Guo Jing

[mystic idol]

guo jing is fictional, but also guo jing doesnt do anything

[lament grotto]

that quest with that one guy who refused to move out of his house, waiting for his daughter to come home, only to find out the khitan war ended 15 years ago 😭

[paper rampart]

Jin Yong characters are not real in Song Dynasty my bro

[mystic idol]

^

[shadow radish]

||die in war|| HAHAHHAHAHA

[slender hornet]

I wish I could see more of Chinese idoms that translated to English like "you're courting death" Or "Giving tiger a wing to fly"

[shadow radish]

that what i mean

[paper rampart]

spicy ginger is spicer.

[lament grotto]

he ended up sharing the wine he was saving for his daughter with us 😭

[mystic idol]

old ginger is spicier*

[paper rampart]

Difference between you and me = gen z vs boomer

[slender hornet]

Which quest is that?

[mystic idol]

姜还是老的辣

I'm chinese haha

[paper rampart]

yes i know, older means wiser.

[shadow radish]

but tbh i dont really know how long story gonna go
like if follow the history main goal now is kill the last emperor of tang ?

[lament grotto]

at like the bottom left part of kaifeng city, theres a construction quest, and then the guy will mention that one guy refuses to move out for construction when everyone else had already moved on and how he's like some crazy lunatic that cant be reasoned with

[slender hornet]

Ahhh that one. Yeah yeah, I done it under someone's roof or something. I like that one too

[lament grotto]

the way he dropped his lunatic act when he realised his daughter wont be coming home to share her first sip of wine with her dad D:

[mystic idol]

goal right now for MC is: 1. Find Han Xiangxun 2. Revenge against Aureate Pavilion

[paper rampart]

Mother Father, every time I walked past I had to see this.

[slender hornet]

Yeah
Oh and do you know about the Lady Ugly quest? That one is good too

[shadow radish]

then final boss is gonna be tang's last emperor

and if my memory correct big brother zhao bring song to the war with khitan like 25 year ? correct me if im wrong like our mc not gonna be in the war for sure

[paper rampart]

is shimmer a real person?

[lament grotto]

yeah i chose to save the kids, because i feel like deep down, she'd regret it if she didn't cure those kids too

[slender hornet]

Yes

[shadow radish]

nope shimmer is your illusion

JK JK

[paper rampart]

why the wine was with him? I thought the waiter auctioned it to a nobody?

[lament grotto]

granny turtle is also super sad, but im glad yingying is taking care of her now. I feel like they both could use a family

[shadow radish]

waiter auction -> yingying -> yingying joined hand with shimmer

[paper rampart]

well i cant tell illusion and reality any more after being drugged so many time so.

[mystic idol]

yeah don't think we're gonna be in any wars, Song doesnt actually carry out its military expedition until 12 years later after Zhao becomes emperor due to opening up the treasury

[shadow radish]

the one we need to find along the way is shimmer not yingying

[paper rampart]

god dam

[slender hornet]

That nobody is him I suppose who knows the mc and buy it directly from the waiter

[lament grotto]

BRO I KEEP TALKING ABOU TTHIS, WHY DOES MC TRY TO INHALE EVERYTHING

[shadow radish]

this is spoiler

[paper rampart]

god dam. shimmer is secretly the hidden boss all along.

[lament grotto]

easiest person to kidnap istg, place an unattended bottle of sedatives and mc will be out in no time

[paper rampart]

where u get that

[slender hornet]

Ouhh

[shadow radish]

i thought bigbrother now is emperor alraedy

is not ???

[paper rampart]

no mandate no talk

[lament grotto]

but he showed up in the cutscene at the end of the tang coin furnace quest?

or was that not big bro?

[mystic idol]

no, the "nobody" is yingying, who then trades it for information on Han for us, but shimmer returns the wine

[mystic idol]

he is. very recently became emperor

[shadow radish]

i mean i understand boutr tresury first he wanna buy back 16 province and then its war

but i thought he emperor alraedy

[paper rampart]

so aunt han was telling us to find shimmer not east of ember wen wu que

[slender hornet]

I think the hidden boss and villain is that silver needle guy who pushed Emperor AI to path of villain

[shadow radish]

oh ok mymemory still correct

[paper rampart]

frfr

[mystic idol]

he can't buy back 16 province

[slender hornet]

I see

[shadow radish]

that why its goes to war LOL

[mystic idol]

i mean the treasury is not to buy back the 16th province

the treasury is used to fund military

but due to the events of kaifeng main story quest, he was forced to open the treasury, thus delaying his plans. I briefly summarized it here: #1425509033955164284 message

[shadow radish]

i read ome book they said it either attempting buy back or military

[paper rampart]

is that all after the secret key and nameless general?

[shadow radish]

at least we got 10 note bout some gay dude stalking us and hope we will save him too

[paper rampart]

ok nvm. i have a job to do now.

[paper rampart]

okay we gotta find the jianghuhuhuhu guy again

[mystic idol]

switch language to chinese and ss

[shadow radish]

dam dont tell me localize its suck

[paper rampart]

thats what i have been asking you. i was in chinese mode the entire story

i just switched back to english for dailies

[shadow radish]

yeah its pretty accurate

not that bad tbh LOL

[paper rampart]

i was surprised af when i read shimmer was so scared of aunt han killing him after revealing the water lady past

im done for the kaifeng region. aunt han not in kaifeng. time to move to hidden mountain

[shadow radish]

杀人以救人,不可成天下。
今日此人救开封,来日或有一人,能救江南。
愿以此身,护烛不灭。

[mystic idol]

yeah same thing

[shadow radish]

but wtf english name is shimmer of south

[mystic idol]

hexi first, then mohist hill

[shadow radish]

chineese is forking young master LOL

[paper rampart]

公子 is childe

公子书 is Childe Shu

[shadow radish]

yeah is gongzi

[paper rampart]

Asuming Shu is his surname

[shadow radish]

its actually mean young master

[paper rampart]

then its weird again coz surname is supposed to be before rank

[shadow radish]

but why the fork english loczlize as shimmer of south

[paper rampart]

南方的微光

yingying is east.
shu is south.
north who i forgot
west who i forgot again

[shadow radish]

i think we only have south and east lol

[paper rampart]

whatever. i gonna play a 2nd char and get ready my 2tb ssd to record all the dam stories and movies and cutscenes.

[shadow radish]

good luck

[paper rampart]

also to watch them in chinese since english is definitely cant explain many small details

[shadow radish]

true some part of localize is sadge

[mental ermine]

Shu and jingnan are conquered soon historically

But southern tang will take a while

[mystic idol]

yuh

[shadow radish]

and btw

dao lord kinda cute with alcohol swap with milk but use same glass
and those food into candy LOL

[mystic idol]

they are kids after all

[fallow quail]

Guys whats the best thing to get with 20€

[slender vector]

ember of the east
shimmer of the south
gonna be glitter of the west and sparkler of the north🥀 🥀

[frigid maple]

why is the mc kinda stupid and doo doo 😭

if he were weak atleast make him abit smarter 🫠

[mystic idol]

what makes you say that 🤔

[frigid maple]

early kaifeng story 😭

hopefully it gets better

i thought after the masacre he wouldve been more merciless / smart

[mystic idol]

early kaifeng we’re still considered very wet behind the ears

[frigid maple]

will things improve mid / late kaifeng?

[mystic idol]

i mean, what are you complaining about for early kaifeng lol

[frigid maple]

like my drip is cool AF but the way the MC act waste all those drip 🤣

[rough lintel]

It does kinda bug me too, how the gameplay makes the character feel so powerful but the story and some side stories make them seem naïve and weak

[frigid maple]

hopefully after a few patches they move the MC towards a more strong / smart MC

i mean after going through what the MC go through surely u would think they would pick up a thing or two

[mystic idol]

give examples

[rough lintel]

it'll probably be a while away, I reckon

[mystic idol]

dont talk in vague pragmatic sense no one knows what youre talking about

[mystic idol]

issue with side stories is that they often aren’t in chronological order

you can do a side quest in qinghe after finishing kaifeng and maybe chronologically it should be done before even heading to kaifeng

I’ve gone back and picked up quests made for before blissful retreat was burned down, that based on text/dialogue should be cleared before that part of msq

[paper rampart]

I was hoping to solo yingying and her life coin as well as simmer and his chess pieces

I guess nameless general is good enough

But IF

THEN YEAH!

[shadow radish]

Point is mc is just 16 even tho he powerful
He live a peacful life for 16 year
What u guy expect ?
Gone bersek mode like wuxia novel that have like 1600 chap ?

[mystic idol]

yuh mc was hella sheltered for 16 years 😂

[shadow radish]

And tbh they shouls complete all legacy and side quest before go kaifeng

Like after complete story goes do some encounter and legacy and lost chapter

[finite pond]

||I was so damn surprised that shi shouxin was the nameless general considering I just talked to him after jinming pool quest||

[echo remnant]

im seeing multiple people say that Tian Ying faked his death

but is there like actual evidence

[bitter oyster]

this story is wild

I need to reach lvl 2

[echo remnant]

nvm i just found THAT cutscene

[bitter oyster]

I need a group for Boss talents

[thorny timber]

still need?

[timber nebula]

i need a cn bro to help me with uh translation

[modern gull]

do anyone knows where it is exaclty at the map letter for Sun She?

[echo remnant]

bro someone here told me all the bosses we were fighting were ghosts, and i now realize that was complete bull

[smoky summit]

If you do all the dark surge things on Qinghe then you learn about that

[echo remnant]

I was led stray by someone telling me the maoshen fight was his ghost

[finite pond]

Fate really works on mysterious ways

[finite pond]

also. water lady has some wide connection over jianghu

[obtuse ferry]

Y'all.
The ghost master is male and the ghost brides are female, no?

[finite pond]

yes

[obtuse ferry]

Yeah, my friends keep confusing them

[shrewd pumice]

guys i just did the shimmer of the south final jianghu legacy for Kaifeng, what does the story even mean who are the 2 little girls

[finite pond]

it's his way of taking revenge due to what happened to his sister. and saving those women who got sold for ghost marriage

unfortunately, this took a toll into his sanity that he switches into being murderous or into most kind person you've met

[mental ermine]

Aunt han and brother

[obtuse ferry]

Wth. From where do you have this lore. I wanna read it :((
Didn't see a quest about him (I find him hot)

[finite pond]

it's on compendium

and trials description

and on the journals

[obtuse ferry]

Oooh, Oki. Tyyy

[finite pond]

the reason he's on mistveil forest too is because he learned the puppet poison that reanimates the dead. which yeah you know.

[obtuse ferry]

😔 🤡

So he wanted to reanimate the ghost brides?

[finite pond]

No, he wanted to reanimate his little sister

His sister who got sold into ghost marriage

His parents sold his sister to gain money and live a comfortable life, when he learnt this hatred formed in his heart.

[obtuse ferry]

💀 holy...

I hope we get a quest with him someday...I wanna talk with him :((

What is a ghost marriage tho

[shrewd pumice]

so her brother became the shimmer of the south?

[mental ermine]

no

[wintry wedge]

does anyone know how to only show 4 mystic skills on controller? update messed up my settings

[lavish sail]

In baima station theres a red grave with a aureate pavilion npc standing next to it i thought its kinda weird tried to talk to him but didn't really work . Is it related to the ghost bride? Cause its the same casket that we saw in the cave
Dunno feels like theres more to it

[merry narwhal]

Wondering if the Zheng mentioned here is Zheng'E or just a same surname

[balmy isle]

man this new campain put me on edge

[primal wraith]

guys i just did the quest with the deer and the ghosts? where that couple talks abt eternal life and im confused bc i have no idea what was going on there. if anyone could explain, i would appreciate it

[vague shoal]

I think that's zheng e

Zhu Yu adopted him and she was a silver needle

[vague shoal]

It's explained in a pinned post in this chat, gleaming abyss

[primal wraith]

okay thank youuu

[alpine path]

If you did Zheng E campaign and Zhai Xu poison related encounter there will be a follow up to tie it all character/backstory wise. So yeah, it is the same one

[merry narwhal]

I don't think i have started the encounter yet

[alpine path]

For that ||go to the mysty area in the East of Kaifeng||

[merry narwhal]

Oh i mean the follow up story. I already finished with Zhai Xu

I may have missed the clue

[alpine path]

Visit the place you met Zheng E first if you did not, he will have smth for you

[merry narwhal]

His home behind the granary?

[alpine path]

Yeah

[merry narwhal]

On it!

[alpine path]

I think it is South East ish map wise, where you had to go to meet up with him initially

Plus the place of that encounter quest with Zhai Xu ||hints on Zheng E condition too if you investigate inside of houses||

[mystic idol]

Its complicated because of social implications back then but in this case basically imagine a living person marrying a dead person and then going to live with the family as their daughter in law

[royal plover]

What exactly happen in quest with he ran, the translation is so bad.

[smoky sluice]

Sometimes they are also killed no? To be married in the afterlife, at least i've read that in novels

[mystic idol]

yeah in very extreme cases 😭

[fossil orchid]

ya it's about Zheng E, he invented that toxic dawn-to-dusk toxin that creates those sleeping puppets

[timber nebula]

It's the whales of this game

[timber nebula]

I thought it was a natural phenomenon (In game) and sun buqi used ir

[fringe kayak]

Guys where is the secret room in velvet shade to unlock the final story Tales and Echos in Kaifeng region ?

I got Revelry Hall Secret Key

oh no problem I found it