📖lore-chat

[ashen night]

It's uncle jiang's bestie

[covert robin]

im confused, why ruby have to wave the flag outside?

[lime verge]

Just trying to get my chat score up

[timber nebula]

She returns to weiyang

[wraith crater]

Does anyone have the complete list of the 14 ghosts? Also, what is Hong Si name in chinese? Is he the ghost matchmaker or is it different person?

[vocal stirrup]

Do any of you guys know where the Zhongdu bridge is located in game? North of Qinghe???? Perhaps??? Are there clues?

[obtuse ferry]

Uh...at the flower expanse if I remember correctly

Purple flower field

[echo bronze]

So they know that the secret tunnel she went in isnt compromised and no one there to intercept them.

[timber nebula]

To lead people out of the illusion maze qianye set for them, she saved a whole trapped village in the process

[mental ermine]

Near today's hebei, zhengding (north of qinghe for sure)

DM-ed you baidu link on the battle

[vestal vault]

So the new imperial palace update announced on TGA is the next region after CN's nameless mountain?

And people take that 2026 announcement in TGA to mean that we'll catch up to CN by 2026 to get the brand new area?

[vestal vault]

If you watch Naruto, a quick way to break a gejutsu is for a 3rd party to interrupt your chakra (qi) flow externally.

As for why she did it, I suppose she bought into the romantic idea of being a heroine to save everyone.

[mint spade]

That's the right answer.

The illusion Qianye put made perfectly flat ground cause you to walk in circles, but all it takes is someone outside the illusion to point the way, and you can stare at it and walk in a straight line.

Think of it like floating in the sea with no direction, and you need someone to light a lighthouse.

[atomic violet]

Tian Ying is the Buddhist master of Halo Peak?

[atomic violet]

Yeah its an illusory formation

[dense kestrel]

How can i trigger night flash shadow encounter

[atomic violet]

uh the article was removed

[rugged parcel]

so like why does river master attacks us 🥀

[atomic violet]

yeah I was confused at first... but it felt like he is just generally angry about everything. About his predicament, and his town's fall and etc. Other than that, I think he wanted to keep his persona as the current rivermaster while trying to hide that we know his real name.

[mint spade]

Nah, his real name is an open thing.

Two Ma is a fake name, because his real family name, Feng(冯), that has produced river master for centuries, is written as Horse (Ma 马) with two dots next to it.

Besides, he's your legal father in law, you won his daughter's hand in marriage fair and square and she cheated you out of it.

[atomic violet]

But 99.99% of NPCs thought he's gone? While he is just selling fish on the market, and other NPCs talk down on him?

His river master persona is hidden

If you talk to npcs, they say river master left/gone/hope he will return

[mint spade]

Well that's the whole point of the side quests in the roaring sand region, the return of the River Master

Because the previous river master, Zhu Yu, is the Tian Ying of Kaifeng city. Only difference is she's dead.

[grim lava]

@dusky lagoon

lore section now

[lavish sail]

I have a question about little fu , i just finished the main quest in keifeng (didnt do many side quests yet) she talked about her master . Is he relevant or gonna be revealed in a side quest ? Cause till now i have no idea who that is lmao

[empty grail]

who do you guys think has a good lore channel

wanna watch some vids

[mental granite]

Bro everything after u go to kaifeng makes absolutely 0 sense

[sharp tinsel]

||Nooooooo. Man why do they have to kill ruby and yi dao man. I loved ruby bro. I started like yi dao too and before i can take in ruby's death they killed my boy yi dao ||

[lusty idol]

I dont think we know yet 🤔

[mental granite]

In the Jinming pool quest, wtf are we even doing - like why are these people trusting us with top-grade military secrets with foreign nations

it makes absolutely ZERO sense, i just walked up into a random castle and started getting involved with government plots

[atomic violet]

There's no clear timeline. But I guess the Jinming pool quest is after the Kaifeng main quest. We pointed our sword (beat the scheme) of the magitrate and other officials, and meet with the emperor. This basically made us a confidant

[mental granite]

That makes less sense cuz then ||murong wont be alive XD ||

[atomic violet]

well she did turn out to be a traitor

and escaped

[mental granite]

Yeah and then she's back?

[mint spade]

What? Rongyuan made a single showing in the revelry house and was absent for all of the main story quest.

How would it not make sense for Jinming Pool to take place after the main quest?

[mental granite]

I must have gotten the wrong info that she dies during main quest, but the issue still stands

[rapid pine]

is there anyone that can point me to some lore spots that discuss the splitting of the ||Dragon Hall|| and its formation into the ||bloodscale|| and ||green/jade serpent|| halls? i think i did the relevant jianghu legacy chapters (8, 9, and i just finished the heavenfall campaign) but i'm kind of having trouble understanding some of the deeper points i guess

also, from my understanding some of the characters are dubbed a'something and my guess is that is a term of endearment that makes sense in mandarin, but not easily understandable in the english localization. am i wrong?

[rapid berry]

Huh.. how often does Drunken Immortal month happens in this setting? At the end of Shadows in Bloom Wei Zhixi said that she met with Aunt Han during Drunken Immortal MOnth 10 months ago and I wonder if 10 months already passed between Qinghe and Kaifeng story or that event happens more than once per year (Or it's a mistranslation)

[bitter holly]

Anyone can suggest a youtuber I can watch with explanation of stories in wwm like campaign stories, side stories? Everything is happening spontaneously for me so im not sure what's the story of most of it lol but im really really interested

[dire acorn]

Anybody who comes up when you search it, though the most comprehensive explanations come from worded posts in my opinion

[vague shoal]

Wwm girl on youtube has some good videos

[dire acorn]

“WWM Qinghe story explained”

“WWM Kaifeng story explained”

I don’t think I’ve seen one for Kaifeng yet but I have for Qinghe

[bitter holly]

Yea i watched that one, the part 1 right? Im looking for more like that

[dire acorn]

Unfortunately the lore in WWM is so much more than just the main storyline

[bitter holly]

Im also thinking of those some side stories like story of void king, puppeteer, tian ying, wolf maiden, murong, etc like literally every other lore

[dire acorn]

The Qinghe quest explanation tells you nothing about the status quo of the Jianghu and other important relevant events

[dire acorn]

My explanation of the void king and the gleaming abyss campaign is pinged to this channel, and I can find you my other explanation of tian Yings story

[bitter holly]

Their story really looks interesting aside from just killing them,i mean they actually givr some info about it on lore but i like to watch it and someone narrate it for me, makes me understand it better

[dire acorn]

Pinned*

Many meanings are lost in translation

Puns and jokes are nonexistent in the Eng version

Which is a shame because they’re not that hard to translate and adapt into an English version

[bitter holly]

Yeaa i also noticed that, some translations feels a little bit off. I hope netease could make a lore wiki someday

[remote comet]

So exactly what part of china is which in the game? Kaifeng and Qinghe?

[thick flax]

Im still a bit confused about this

Did everyone just accept that shen yilun decided to dye his hair white?

Like, no questions asked

Soldiers just go "boss got a new dye, looks cool."?

[mint spade]

Kaifeng is the Kaifeng part of China, and Qinghe is the Qinghe part of china

and get this: The Hexi region to be released... Is the Hexi region of China.

We're not getting into fictional lands until way later when we see like, the Mohist land that flies in the sky

[vague shoal]

Game aesthetics reason lol

[tawdry sleet]

You know what you have a point 😂😂😂 Zheng E’s original hair color is black like Shen Yilun. My guess is he assumed Shen Yilun’s identity with black hair and due to overexposure to the poison fueled by his sisters remain, it turned white

[mint spade]

Zheng E is a rich boy you know

It's hinted at his army is not actually the standing army but his own house army

Because when you break into the granary you can see his soldiers who knows his identity bullying a soldier who is trying to free Shen Yilun

[thick flax]

i mean sure... but that doesnt explain the other officials seeing him during the heroes gathering...and accepted his white hair with 0 comment 😂

[green wyvern]

Story explains all the old soldiers have been moved all the new ones are from Jinming pool

[tawdry sleet]

i found the last lore for ghostmaster and i am in shamble

[spare onyx]

Isn't Zhao Guangyi known to prefer civilianship over Military? Is that why he easily gave other state a top grade military secret?

[fallen stump]

My channel has a lot of lore. You can search for WWM Girl

[foggy tiger]

If he preferred being civilian over military I doubt he would have risen to the rank of general

[fallen stump]

Oh just saw. Thank you for the support I really appreciate it 🌹

[spare onyx]

Uh no, I didn't mean that, I mean he's focused on civil matters and least prioritized Military, that's why later Song easily fell to Mongol

[vague shoal]

They asked us to steal it back though

[fallen stump]

He had no choice. The Wudai Shiguo chaos happened because local military factions overpowered central army. It was very difficult to control them with the technology back then. So both Zhao brothers had to centralize military control which means taking power away from the generals and letting scholars have the upper hand

[mental ermine]

Kaifeng is literally kaifeng you can look it up on google maps lol exactly the same city

Of course 1000 years apart

[vague shoal]

Np, keep up the good work! I hope u do videos on the ember of the east and murong yuan someday

[mental ermine]

Life is tough man job too hard. Man got a lil stressed

😂

Oh you're (ayer) wwm girl?

[fallen stump]

I made a Kaifeng City lore video called
Lore on Kaifeng City and Velvet Shade
Compares the city in game vs real life, history, etc

[fallen stump]

Yes that’s me lol

[thick flax]

That grain management finally doing its numbers 😭😂

[mental ermine]

Thanks for your vids helps my mates a lot

[fallen stump]

I’m so happy to know that! Thank you 🙏🏻 😊

[light herald]

Yo guys can anyone give a brief about being a focused merchant in the game and what to expect

[thick flax]

Oh damn, cale pfp incredibly based

[tender badge]

any chinese speakers here? Why does the protagonist laugh at the kids name being "Shimei" ?

[next halo]

In current story, In our character knowledge, do we have any confirmation about Han Qianye and Aunt Han relations ?

[blissful skiff]

Only shimei I know is it’s junior female martial artist in wuxia or xianxia reference

[green wyvern]

No

[placid iris]

Focused merchant?

[uncut fractal]

You said in the Emperor Ai video that Zheng E's village sunk in the Gleaming Abyss
Is it actually true?

[uncut fractal]

Qianye the Witch's full name is Han Qianye?

[fallen stump]

yes the village sank in the storm unleashed by the deer god and the villagers all got trapped there

[uncut fractal]

[placid iris]

Huh? But isn't Zheng E village in Kaifeng? They literally used to live in Grace Town before driven out.

And the event in which villagers fall into the Gleaming Abyss happens long before Sun Buqi and Li Zuo even know of the Gleaming Abyss’s existence.

And the deer god is just a title the wraith villagers call Liu Qingyi because she wore deer mask when she left the cave to help them.

[uncut fractal]

That's why I was confused

[placid iris]

Why do you think Qianye has Han as her family name?

[placid iris]

The timeline and locations are all over the place lol.

[uncut fractal]

Is it mentioned early that her surname is Han? I think I missed this part

[placid iris]

No, it didn’t. You can even check in Journal > World > Characters. She’s only addressed as Qianye.

Though, if we go into spoiler territory, ||according to someone who got information from CN players, Qianye is the daughter of the Liang family. As for the reason she looks similar to Han Xiangxun, apparently she’s some kind of Frankenstein-like creation, where the body parts of Aunt Han’s male twin was given to her. That’s why she appears very masculine in the Illusion World.||

[uncut fractal]

||Will the twin also be mentioned in the near future? Or way later||

[placid iris]

Honestly for lore videos I recommend watching fwalicia. She's either a Chinese player or someone very familiar with Chinese history since her video is very thorough about historical events and cultural settings.

[placid iris]

||He did get mentioned in Blissful Retreat. You can find his grave at the big tree where Aunt Han threw away the wine.||

[paper rampart]

I just realised Jiang Yan may be a offspring from the movie Hero (2002 film) in where a main character is called Nameless.

[placid iris]

You mean reference?

[paper rampart]

can say that way, since Qin to Song is about 1k year apart

[foggy tiger]

Shi mei (different intonation but same spelling) stands for junior sister (female disciple studying under the same master who entered discipleship after u did)

[fallen stump]

Oh I didn't say it was the Zheng E village. It was the Little Deer village in Qinghe.

[fallen stump]

the deer god was liu qingyi's nickname but it was a literal god 300 years before liu qingyi

[fallen stump]

I said Bawu got a bad outcome by trying to help people, like the young Zheng E. But I never said Zheng E's village got sunk into the abyss. Bawu was 300 years before Zheng E! lol

[dry ledge]

Sorry I don't understand. Why ruby need to wave the flag??? What's her plan there?

[placid iris]

They're trapped in a formation and needs someone to lead them out from outside. The characters mentioned it in the dialogues...

[uncut fractal]

Ah, my bad, I missed "like Zheng E" and thought you only said Zheng E

[celest portal]

Why couldn’t ruby just killed the bandits

[uncut fractal]

[celest portal]

Also was jiang in any sect

Or is sect not in his lore at all

[uncut fractal]

At the start, his name has "Well of Heaven Outcast" under it

[placid iris]

Where does it say about there being real deer god? Afaik there's just tales of immortal sage. And the legend of deer gods only become known after Liu Qingyi went out wearing the deer mask.

[celest portal]

Oh

That makes sense

[celest portal]

Nah that’s aura

[fallen stump]

there's an entire long story about a blind granny and Bawu 300 years ago. She invented the worms of immortality

[placid iris]

Yeah I know that doesn't mean she's the deer god

[fallen stump]

No the granny isn't the deer god

[paper rampart]

dm'ed

[placid iris]

I just reread the story. I’d forgotten the mention of him wearing a deer mask. I can see how that would eventually turn into the legend of the Deer God appearing, though I highly doubt he’s an actual god in any way.

[dreamy lava]

just did it. Had to change the game's language to simplified Chinese

[fallen stump]

Bawu isn't the deer god either. The deer god is the deer god. there's more text after the granny died. you can watch my video, it explains everything. it's called

[next halo]

it's litterally stated in the game bro

[fallen stump]

everything about the aureate pavilion, dream puppets, and the villain emperor

[next halo]

check splitstone final season challedge

I didn't spoiled myself by any video or media but the game very suggestive for it

the game even refer to her as Han Qianye in the challenge

[placid iris]

Where's that? I really don't remember any challenge with the name splitstone...

[next halo]

that's why I come up with my original question

[glossy sable]

sounds like he is talking about the seasonal build challenges?

splitstone i think is tank?

[next halo]

Is that supposed to be her full name, since I believe the story is not bring us there yet

[next halo]

correct

[placid iris]

I can't find such challenge in the game... In the journal, she's only called as Qianye. Same in campaign challenges...

[next halo]

I said Splitstone challenges

[glossy sable]

IDK if it is there or not, but based on what he said i would go Develop > Improvement Guide > select the Splitstone tank one and check all the challenges

[placid iris]

Doesn't show up in mine

Maybe because I've already completed it

[next halo]

if so the dev is effectively spoiling us so hard

[next halo]

no because you havent unlock it

completed one still show up

[placid iris]

She's not Han though... at least no according to the spoiler I got from CN players: ||according to someone who got information from CN players, Qianye is the daughter of the Liang family. As for the reason she looks similar to Han Xiangxun, apparently she’s some kind of Frankenstein-like creation, where the body parts of Aunt Han’s male twin was given to her. That’s why she appears very masculine in the Illusion World.||

[next halo]

not reading that btw

[placid iris]

Yeah what I'm saying is that she's not connected by blood to Aunt Han. That's why I was so skeptical about your claim before.

[next halo]

so either coincident or the dev spoiled us so hard

[glossy sable]

I kinda wish the Relationship Research thing was actually something you used for some quests.

[placid iris]

It's just something you do for fun unfortunately

[glossy sable]

yea

[uncut fractal]

@placid iris told me that Qianye ||merged with the Aunt Han's twin brother's body||, maybe that is why she's called Han Qianye

[placid iris]

She's still a b* regardless

[glossy sable]

Qianye is definitely a b*.

[uncut fractal]

Yes
Agreed

Qianye the B**ch

[glossy sable]

Murong Yuan is my favorite villainess. I wanna learn more about her. I did the one encounter thing after Jinming Pool

Is the area north of Qinghe called Mohist HIll or Hexi or what?

[thorny timber]

why my tiktok full of ruby🙃

[thorny timber]

fill with the sad song

[glossy sable]

As an older brother i really liked Ruby

[frail jetty]

Hi

[thorny timber]

ruby is like a little sister to me

[glossy sable]

You will probably like a character called Little Fu as well.

[thorny timber]

but is it true that she died...

[placid iris]

Mohist Hill. Hexi is way in another location. It's not directly connected to the current map.

[glossy sable]

mmm.. I am about 80% sure she did.

[thorny timber]

woah, who is that? i havent meet this one i think, i just started today

[thorny timber]

no way🙃

[glossy sable]

Not wanting to give a spoiler, just someone you will meet in the course of the main quest

[thorny timber]

ohh okayy

[uncut fractal]

Which area will be unlocked in chapter 3?

[glossy sable]

If Mohist Hill is not unlocked next I would be kinda shocked. Its already marked on the map though without any borders

[placid iris]

Maybe? I mean for CN they unlocked, Hexi, Changan and another area first but they did say that global will have different update path.

[uncut fractal]

Btw
Er Ma, the one who took us to Kaifeng and the one who was with us in Heavenfall
||Is he the river master? I mean the appearance was the same, but he was called Feng Yi. So what I get out of it is that his real name is Feng Yi?||

[placid iris]

Pretty sure the same person. If you gather Dark Surge, ||it was mentioned that Yingying asked him to help bring Aunt Han to Kaifeng but it ended up being MC since Aunt Han went missing.||

[uncut fractal]

And I didn't expect to see a ||True Dragon Skeleton|| in the 8th (or was it 9th?)Jianghu Legacy

[glossy sable]

I feel like I should have tried to do the side stories in order... anyone know if there is a better flow to the lore if you do or if it doesnt really matter?

[uncut fractal]

Check Jianghu Legacy, and do them in order

[glossy sable]

9th i think Zhou, pretty sure i saw what you are talking about in that one.

Kinda interesting how the world borders on the supernatural.

[uncut fractal]

Lowkey a horror quest
I accidentally fell in water while jumping around and got insta killed

[glossy sable]

i touched the water, got out of it, and still died

The biggest low key horror quest is this one semi looping divine craft dungeon

nothing but environmental storytelling but its definitely got some creep to it

[placid iris]

I was the most afraid when I enterd that small underground area with red coffin near the River Master temple. The devs added freakin weeping angels.

[glossy sable]

mm havent seen that yet, it makes me think of either the Ghost Bride world boss, or the Faceless enemies

[placid iris]

It's at the area where the waters drained out after you complete the mission. There is a hole on the ground. You can jump in to find these creepy dolls. They multiplied!

[uncut fractal]

You mean the place with those living statues?
I went there for the treasure chest, but they didn't move
Was I supposed to do something else for them to attack me?

[viral basalt]

Hello there , i do see ( Fate Incence Burner ) next to halo peak Remain black. Is there a way Or how do i activate this ? Any solution/suggestion would be much appreciated. Thank you

[placid iris]

There's a chest in the red coffin no? They don't attack you, they just stare and constantly move around when you don't look at them. It's creepy.

[placid iris]

Talk to the old monk and give it to him.

[uncut fractal]

Oh
I was running fast and waiting for an attack (as they were marked red on the map), so I didn't notice them looking

[viral basalt]

Ah , give him what ? 🙃

[placid iris]

the green incense thing you get from Qinghe oddities guy

[viral basalt]

So I do need to complete the whole path to Bell ? Is that you mean ?

[uncut fractal]

You need to collect a total of 150 oddities to get the bell fragment from the Oddity Collector

[placid iris]

It should drop way before the bell

I don't remember though it's been a long time

[jolly holly]

a nice detail about the red thread we got from ruby. It resembles the thread around the ponytail of Hairtstyle 1 (default hair)

[placid iris]

Or maybe they're just being lazy and reuse the asset lol

[glossy sable]

you can get the bell fragment without getting 150 oddities i think... just rush the main path and ignore the branches.

wish that Kaifeng's ending item for oddities was for a quest thing and not the goofy hat

[jolly holly]

probably. I mean they do use the same character model in every trailer they release

[placid iris]

Not bell fragment. They want the green incense thing for the fate incense burner

[willow basin]

i'm pretty sure the red thread is a cultural thing so it's not surprising.

the same model or rather player stand-in in promo cinematics is also fairly usual, like in ffxiv's it's Meteor warrior of light

[glossy sable]

oh i have not actually figured out the incense burner yet

[uncut fractal]

Found it
Reach Qinghe exploration level 6 to get this item

[glossy sable]

The game is packed full of little nooks and crannies of things. I found like 6 camps i missed running around killing NPC bounty targets in QInghe and that is long after clearing 160 oddities there

[placid iris]

I misremembered then

[uncut fractal]

I just found it in a reddit comment, don't know if it's reliable or not

[uncut fractal]

Looking at what he wrote
I think I haven't given the Monk this item yet
Or I have and I forgot

[placid iris]

You need level 5 qinghe exploration

It's called Qinghe Memories

[jolly holly]

fortune and blessing mostly so it's no wonder it is supposed to be farewell gift to us. it has broader use than we already know

[placid iris]

Btw I was wrong. You need to level up your Qinghe exploration to lvl 5 to get the green incense

[glossy sable]

i want a bank to store all my antiques. i dont want to recycle any of them

[willow basin]

yup! ♥️

[steady iris]

Going back to heavens pier after the story is a slap to the face, the little details is killing me. The npc with the guqin is getting me hard

[glossy sable]

Yeah i kinda hope down the road in the story we get to rebuild it

[fresh spindle]

is the story worth reading?

[uncut fractal]

Is the final Jianghu Legacy not available yet, or do I have to unlock it somehow?

In Kaifeng

[placid iris]

I don't think it's available

[celest portal]

Why do they call the mc young hero

[paper rampart]

coz we are 15 years old

[paper rampart]

slowly.. this is casual gaming.

[late cloak]

excuse me

[paper rampart]

yes, the door is this way.

[placid iris]

16

[late cloak]

dont mind me im just tryna lvl up so i can ss

[paper rampart]

oh right 16. we dont count from 0 nowadays.

[thick flax]

is mc still 16 by kaifeng?

[placid iris]

Yes

[celest portal]

Why is he called a hero

[thick flax]

all that trauma and pitch pot drinking at 16...

[placid iris]

Following his unc' footsteps

[placid iris]

It's just a nickname often given to young jianghu wanderers

[thick flax]

her coping mechanism isnt healthy but if uncle jiang is still alive with that then maybe it works

[noble jackal]

will we have more demon lore and enemies

[orchid sand]

Guys
Where is aunt han when heavens pier is being attacked?

We don't see her after that incident

[paper rampart]

its a slang persona in the older days.

[paper rampart]

yes we are fighting big fish, twice. one a dummy, other with a human.

[placid iris]

We don't know.

[placid iris]

CN players said that she'll ||show up in Mohist Hill||

[thick flax]

Wasn't she the one who saved our ahh?

[indigo valley]

Why we need to fight tian ying? I thought he infiltrated the Khitan. So why we fight him?

Also. How Shi zen turn people into money? I thought the treasure basin was fake. Is it his power as god of avarice?

ALSO (yeah I have a lot of question) what is the power of that money pocket yingying gave us? Is it something to magical item? To be fair. I don’t get anything at all

[paper rampart]

1. so he can become an official named li.
2. everyone got drugged.
3. yingying is playing zhuge liang 3 pouches to zhaoyun.

[indigo valley]

1. so we defeat him is part of his plan?
2. so we just on drug that time and what we seen is bs? Is his god form in phase 3 also an illusion?
3. I still don’t get it.

[vague shoal]

The pouch breaks the illusion

[indigo valley]

Oh—-

[lament grotto]

I keep forgetting that MC's 16 with them outdrinking middle aged men 😭

We're about to get the beating of our lives if aunt han finds out what we've been up to the whole time

[indigo valley]

Also. Can you explain me the whole tang coin plan thing? I really don’t get it. I know it’s southern tang inflation and they try to smuggle it into keifing. But why Dao lord in kahoot with their plan? And is it also ember of east plan at the beginning. And she have a change of heart at the end?

[celest portal]

Could yingying be aunt han

[paper rampart]

1. yes
2. yes
3. the answer is we get undrugged after using yingying pouch

[paper rampart]

copper is rarer than iron.

[vague shoal]

U r right ember of the east reformed. As for dao lord they wanted a market for people to buy food usingntang coins cause copper was unavailable, the food is smuggled from the granary by zheng e, transported to market lead by dao lord using river master transport. Ember of the east made this happen

Dao lord just wanted to help the poor

[indigo valley]

Why Yingying go along with this plan to begin with? Cuz she side with southern tang? Also. I really don’t know much about weiyang either

[paper rampart]

we got played... we got totally played...

[vague shoal]

Yingying lost the power struggle in weiyang

She beeds help of southern tang to comeback

[indigo valley]

Ohhhhhh I see

Everything make more sense a lil bit

[thick flax]

Aunt han the moment we reunite and she finds out

100% crit rate

300% crit dmg

[vague shoal]

Anything else is unclear i try to explain

[celest portal]

What if the mc was Jiang all along

[thick flax]

I mean...i wouldn't mind

I've been rocking his hairstyle since i got it

[vague shoal]

Weiyang seems to be a city of merchants ruled by the wen clan. Yingying’s meridians got destroyed during that struggle. You can read her character bio for more info

[thick flax]

Number 1 uncle jiang fangirl/boy ig

[celest portal]

what if

aunt han was the man in black

[indigo valley]

I wonder if when aunt Han talk with qianye. She know that they will attack us later or not

For me. No way she didn’t know who qianye is

[timber nebula]

he infiltrates after, him fighting us is to orchestrate his death

[rotund zinc]

one of the female hairstyles is said to be braided by ruby, I assume male also have one, maybe this is it

[foggy tiger]

Goddamit looks like even hairstyle is gonna have to be permanent now

[placid iris]

I don't think so lol. He's the youn master of blissful retreat after all. And in ancient times people drinking at 16 isn't that strange. They're already sorta considered an adult.

[placid iris]

Which one for female?

[placid iris]

That's uncle jiang

[paper rampart]

why this is happening in every town lol

[placid iris]

Yeet

[analog locust]

Hmm

[rotund zinc]

I doublechecked, it's hairstyle3, same for male mc and female. it says it's done by ruby in description🥰

the female one happened to be my favorite hairstyle before i knew the fact. i can't post image here tho

[paper rampart]

the only game where Ruby is more famous than WWM

[timber nebula]

love transcends throughought history or smthing

[paper rampart]

[timber nebula]

yeah dont worry im maidenless too

[indigo valley]

Zheng e smuggle food in or out of keifeng? I thought he hate the song

[timber nebula]

during tang coin dillemna and smuggled it on the ghost light market

[rugged parcel]

yeah and isn't he supposed to be a legendary assassin how can wanderer beat him but can't handle imperial guards 🥀

[indigo valley]

So he kinda did a good thing? Why we still fight tho? Cuz he kidnapped the real master of grain?

[timber nebula]

he uses the grain to smuggle in to ghost light market
ghostlight market uses tang coins to buy goods
people of kaifeng get da grain, and he also wants to revive his sister using fungi stuff.
we stop him and he impersonates his friends and uses the grain to help the army and the people post msq since the money problem is no problem (someone correct me)

[indigo valley]

So. Earlier. The song hoarding the grain. And Zheng e is the one smuggle it out for people? What about the real yelin(is that his name? I don’t remember)

I still don’t get it why we fight him. To prevent him from using the fungi?

I kinda get that murong is hating the song. But if Zheng e is helping people of keifing than his motive wasn’t to revenge the song?

At this point the song is more like enemy than the one we should side for us cuz everyone seem to against them

[placid iris]

If you know, you know 😉

[analog sleet]

Please,let me adopt zhengran, Ive lost Ruby, I don wanna lose zhengran, she makes me cry 😭

[indigo valley]

So lemme get this straight. All of boss side quest we do in keifong is a side story that happens “during” the main story in keifong. Right?

[paper rampart]

i am a lore enjoyer

[paper rampart]

So many emperors

[warm osprey]

can u share full map cn

[placid iris]

It's ||entrance to Hexi||

[paper rampart]

huh, so they are all deities?

[final fossil]

||Roaring sands wayfarer is testing my resolve. Why is he rizzing me 😩||

[paper rampart]

Oh I understand now.

this is damn interesting.

[indigo valley]

So. Aruate pavilion is southern tang?

[timber nebula]

he's roaring your sands

[heavy adder]

Just did all those quests last night and boy howdy, some tear jerkers for sure. Top notch stuff

[orchid sand]

Ohh

[orchid sand]

Nahh

[placid iris]

Yes

[wheat sleet]

oh thank you sooo much T_T ive been stuck on this for ages

[placid iris]

She did pull MC away from explosion

[uneven mantle]

I love Zhengran

Must protecc

[vague shoal]

U see the real shen yilun in zhang e campaign

And i think the fungi is poisoning the people around

But he want to keep using it to preserve his sister’s corpse

[green wyvern]

Just because we have a bunch of idiots against them doesn’t mean they are bad or good

[placid iris]

But song was the winner in this struggle in history

[dreamy nebula]

Does mc eventually get a gf?

[placid iris]

Impossible. That will upset some players. Like me. I'm not lesbian 🙂

[orchid sand]

Wait fr?
That was aunt Han?

[orchid sand]

+1

[dire acorn]

If they do I’m quitting and suing

[exotic quarry]

Why? (Not hating or anything just asking I've only played 5 hours)

[placid iris]

Well the mc is sorta main character but also players self insert. Forcing a romance on the MC is just a no no.

[exotic quarry]

Oh okay thanks I wasn't sure

[placid iris]

Also imagine female mc get into relationship with another female character. CCP won't be happy.

[exotic quarry]

Oh yeah true

But i need my Yuri 😭

[vague shoal]

They dont exactly crackdown on lgbt activies though, just marriage is banned

[placid iris]

Well it's just a secondary reason the main one is players opinion regarding the matter and I'm in the camp of no romance.

[exotic quarry]

I think optional romance should be a thing

[vague shoal]

Story seems to be too linear for optinal romance

[placid iris]

You can already marry other players lol

[placid iris]

Yeah the mc is too focused on revenge, politics, and jianghu

[exotic quarry]

Yeah but as a minor that just seems really weird and a opportunity for grooming

[dire acorn]

There’s both Yaoi and Yuri couples in game

[vague shoal]

16 is adult back then lore wise

[placid iris]

Unfortunate but doesn't change the fact that romance with npcs won't happen. It just will cause too much issues and complexities with the story if the mc has canonical romance in the game

[exotic quarry]

Really?

[dire acorn]

There’s already so many games with MC and romance, don’t ruin WWM with that. Don’t need to be seeing another harem builder

[placid iris]

Not very blatant though. It's very in the background. Adding romance options for players will draw a lot of attention. And even if we argue ccp won't care I don't wanna test CN players about this.

[placid iris]

Seconded

[placid iris]

If someone wants to see characters being all over MC, just play Wuwa lol. You can even pick female protagonist.

[dire acorn]

Yea, Wuwa was actually the game on my mind when I wrote that message

[vague shoal]

If we had optional romance i dont mind if the other is bairong, or yingying lol

Actually travelling the world with murong yuan isnt too bd

But before that revenge for ruby

[nova bluff]

true, Yingying is free game

her husband is dead already

[vague shoal]

Yo she had a husband????

[nova bluff]

yeah, she killed him already

so dont worry

[vague shoal]

What the fk, is it in her bio

Where did u read that

[nova bluff]

I think so, I have some info from CN so idk whats out in global, but ti should be in her bio

she got married off to another family. She took control of that family and murdered her husband and turned into the biggest gangster in Weiyang City. Ready to Inherit his Father(Uncle's) Position

but she fumbles and couldnt kill her own mother and her cousin conspired against her which caused her fall, and thats how granny turtle who is having a breakdown picked her up

[wild raft]

anyone know who the white haired guy that controls the butterflies?

[placid iris]

Li Zuo. Emperor Ai of Tang (the original one). Leader of Aureate Pavilion.

Currently controlling/manipulating the southern tang. Though he isn't the emperor as he's supposed to be dead long ago.

[vague shoal]

Damn I need to look at her bio again, it’s wild she’s a widow lol

[wild raft]

so where's southern tang exactly? is that like below gracetown?

[placid iris]

Farther down...

[vague shoal]

It existed in history, u can look southern tang up

[nova bluff]

He died in IRL, but in game he survived because Sun Buqi poisoned his Girl Friend

that girl from Gleaming Abyss

so he survived

he thinks he is the Rightful ruler of Tang, but he got banished back then

[neon narwhal]

what's the relationship between Li Zuo and Li Yu?

[orchid valley]

just finished Chapter 1, absolute cinema 😭

[gaunt notch]

So Ruby is actually dead?

[nova bluff]

basically nothing, Li Yu is a descendant of Xu Zhigao who was the adopted Son of the Yang Wu emperor Yang Pu.

Thats why Li Chu thinks that he is the rightful ruler of the Southern Tang, because he is the Last Tang Emperor.

[olive spear]

Have u summoned her in a biss fight yet

[nova bluff]

still dead in CN so...... just go get her red braclet

[gaunt notch]

Never thought of that since I run a healer build, will try

[gaunt notch]

Damn

[olive spear]

What bracelet

[nova bluff]

go to Heaven's Pier. Inside the Square, there should be an Encounter Quest called "Her Legacy" there

you get a a red string, braided braclet made by ruby, for the MC'

[final fossil]

||he basically asked if we wanna runaway with him. I was legit blushing 😭||

[timber nebula]

Cute

[opal mist]

Killer blade is underrated af

[lucid pond]

I have a question. I came across a lot of theories on Reddit about Aunt Han’s or Qianye’s siblings or something like that. Is there any basis for these theories? Does anyone know? 😭

[vague shoal]

It's mostly from the China forums

[nova bluff]

Yes there is. Theres already a bit of hint in Qinghe when you meet Qianye in Heaven's Pier. But more about it is info only from CN side.

[crisp geyser]

he got me feeling things when im literally a dude

[thin remnant]

Got me feeling sad when he died

[opal mist]

Lmao same😭

[crisp geyser]

oh hell nah

using female chara was a mistake lowk

[opal mist]

I have never completed an MMO story ever, but I'm looking forward to this

[opal mist]

But i had a male charecter🫥

[thin remnant]

Oh yeah, he dies saving you 😗

[nova bluff]

nxt Chapter is a filler Arc btw, we get back to main story in ch4

but the filler arc is peak

[thin remnant]

Roaring sands is filler arc?

[nova bluff]

no

[vague shoal]

No, part 3 Hexi. I hear it's full of tragedies

[nova bluff]

Roaring Sands is part of ch2

[vague shoal]

We r gonna be in for a roller coster ride

[thin remnant]

Hold up- my brain was malfunctioning 😭

[crisp geyser]

🤔 🤨

[nova bluff]

Ch1 Qinghe, Ch2 Kaifeng, Ch3 Hexi

i wont spoil much but Ch3 is about the past

its really good

chinese history nerds be eating good

[thin remnant]

We get to see more of Jiang Yan?

[nova bluff]

not that kind of past

[knotty mountain]

I love him! He’s like my fav character. I was kinda sad when you know what happened.

[thin remnant]

Dang

[thin remnant]

Past of the old emperor?

[nova bluff]

Think of Anxi Protectorate and An Lushan Rebellion

that kind of past

[thin remnant]

Ohh

[opal mist]

Yea! the way he went was so sad and cool at the same time it gave me goosbumps...

[vague shoal]

Da fuq how is MC going that far back lol

[nova bluff]

look forward to it, maybe read up/watch some videos regarding those topic so youll relate more when it comes out

[nova bluff]

but if i say itll spoil you

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

😔 gif. dont work here

[vague shoal]

Im cool with the low fantasy

Normal wuxia gets boring anyway

[nova bluff]

Fighting the River Master and his Magikarp aint fantasy enough? dont worry we can only get higher

[finite pond]

There is something I don't get in regards to velvet shade lost chapter especially at the ending of it.

Did the sect master or the top dog of velvet shade used us ?

im honestly confused. I Kinda know that you got used as a pawn to kill a jiangnan envoy so the velvet shade won't be implicated (you said to qin ruolan that you will take the blame)

but why tho

bai ruolan, the pipa player and the one who gave us flower making fun of us (except Qin Ruolan)

[simple delta]

What did u guys do at lady ugly quest in end choice ?

[finite pond]

let them suffer

[simple delta]

Understandable same

[remote comet]

Wait so what is Tian Yang doing now that he’s “dead” he going to fight or infiltrate the khitans? Will we meet him again?

Also what’s his relationship with that girl we met in the side quest?

[finite pond]

you mean li zhenzhen

[bronze raven]

There's an extra quest if you unlock all the dark surges where we found out that he ||is a nobleman surnamed Li and is infiltrating Liao||

[timber nebula]

i recall a lore channel explaining it i can send it to you for more info

[remote comet]

Yesss

[finite pond]

sure but im kind of confused right now especially at the ending. although, I think I like Qin Ruolan, well, maybe for the fact that she kinda vouched for us being pure lmao

[nova bluff]

The current Sect Leader of the Velvet Shade is the wife of Shimmer of the South. I hope that answers your question, if not i can expound

[timber nebula]

ye shimmer of south is working for tang i believe

[nova bluff]

uuuh... the Shimmer of the South is... yeah lets just leave it at that

[finite pond]

so the sect leader of velvet shade is against song.

[nova bluff]

Alot of people have different agendas, and Southern Tang is using alot of them to slow down Big Zhao's pace

[finite pond]

Li Yu is the shimmer of the south? or nah?

[celest portal]

Is lost chapter related to the lore

[finite pond]

it is.

[wraith sigil]

It really is early Song huh, I see so many men wearing Tang Round necks

i have a few myself, i like that they have slits where your pants pockets would be

like outside, there's more song 3 pieces but once I got to kaifeng it was like tang round necks everywhere

[finite pond]

but still, I do kinda need help making sense that lost chapter of velvet shade

[nova bluff]

which specific part

[glossy sable]

is there a reason for the silly hat extensions that are shoulder width?

[finite pond]

the ending part, where the women are making fun of us except qin ruolan

I am slowly getting the context, like the velvet shade sect used us to kill of the jiangnan envoy and burn aunt han's books of the names of spies, but.... hmm, you said the sect leader's husband is a tang affiliate

[mint spade]

You are naive cherry boy, got played by hot older sisters thinking you helping them out

[vague shoal]

I just wanna confirm, bai rong popped our cherry right

or the drunk sister

[mint spade]

Nah, we cherry boy so cherry, man, these people at most drank us under the table and said they did the hot stuff

But velvet shade are double agents, they serve everyone... Just not equally

[austere patrol]

Leave it at the grave

[finite pond]

I know that. although, Qin Ruolan appreciate that there are few people that are still innocent in the ways of jianghu. because you know how brutal the ancient china is back then.

but also, did the women at velvet shade knew that we are raised by aunt han?

[vague shoal]

idk this seems like cherry popped to me

[nova bluff]

basically, we did get used for their own purposes, but theyre not exactly evil, they just have different purposes. Qin Ruolan is an IRL historical figure so siding with us makes her look good lmao.

[finite pond]

it's up to to you

[finite pond]

her chinese VA is so freaking good man, I immediately folded Im sorry 💀

[mint spade]

The women at velvet shade knows everything, they're the ones with all the most up to date information

[vague shoal]

SUS

[nova bluff]

Also Yes, most of em knows. Dont forget MC is a privilege kid, Blissful Retreat is a special place. Young Master 🙇

[glossy sable]

Stuff like Lady Ugly, really shows how much shades of gray there are. Like most characters are not black and white. Even some of the really good ones have their good intentions bite them in the butt.

[vague shoal]

It was a good quest

[finite pond]

like most of chinese VA in these game, I didn't really paid attention, but holy guacamole my neuron fires at a jetspeed hearing Qin ruolan's chinese voice acting

gave me shivers even.

[mint spade]

Lady ugly turned ugly in the end picking on children. But the children are messed up so they could remain ugly.

[austere patrol]

Yea, there's many depths and the each character has so much lore, personal struggles (thats why they are like that), own stories, motives, etc, are really distinct and different, very immersive experience that also allows me to reflect on my own choices

[nova bluff]

Qin Ruolan also works/worked for the Shimmer of the South.

the Demonic Pleasure Sect is filled with Southern Tang workers lmao

[vague shoal]

Too bad these good encounter quests r so god damm hard to trigger though

[paper rampart]

ugly in appearance
ugly in personality

[glossy sable]

The granny who disgusied herself as her white moonlight's love to see him off as he passed away.

[finite pond]

yeah, it's a shame. but I guess in my perspective she still appreciated that there are still kind of person in this brutal era that is honest and well meaning lol

[mint spade]

South Tang is everywhere, still waiting on how they round out the fact that the real life person Shimmer of the South is supposed to be was a supposedly ineffectual and incompetent leader after pulling all these stunts

[finite pond]

really funny if MC really met them when he was a kid but forgot them lol. I think most of jianghu wanderers recognize the MC immediately by the way he fought like jiang yan

[nova bluff]

dont forget Yingying also worked with Southern Tang

[austere patrol]

I saw one comment that says, if you leave it at the grave, if the kids really feel sorry enough they will come to the grave to pay respect/apologise, then they will find the antidote. and i thought that is so true, they would still be able to get the medicine if they were truly guilty/apolgetic enough.

[mint spade]

Yingying is the only trash garbage character written in this game

[nova bluff]

the whole ZHenge E, Doa Lord and Murong Yuan was Orchestrated by Yingying under the help/orders/comman of SOuther Tang

[vague shoal]

shimmer of the south is an MC of his own

Bro is the real harem protagonist

[finite pond]

who is the shimmer of the south tho? can you spoil me his name?

[nova bluff]

Oh and River Master

i forgot River master is included in that list

[vague shoal]

||Li Yu||

[mint spade]

River master is not orchestrated by Yingying, he's on his own personal quest

[nova bluff]

No lmao

he is literally involved with Yingying, they used his routes to bring in the coins

[vague shoal]

Wait really?? That's amazing detail

[finite pond]

I freaking knew it

[vague shoal]

Or is that just roleplaying, did the kids really go to her grave

[nova bluff]

they all have their own Agenda, thats why Souythern Tang was able to use em; quid pro quo

[austere patrol]

I think whatever u choose, ur reward is still the same. However that comment is just pointing out what could happen (but it's not included in the story intentionally by WWM themselves), but i thought that detail was really thoughtful as well

[vague shoal]

That would be a really nice closure to the story

[nova bluff]

Yingying needed a backer to get back on her feet in Weiyang, enters Southern Tang. Yingying then orchestrated the rest. Velvet Shade included.

[vague shoal]

But tbf, if they knew the lady did that to them...im not so sure

[glossy sable]

Even in that Yingying didnt have to take care of Granny Turtle the way she did.

[mint spade]

Makes you think if Shimmer of the South can bring together all this people how he ended up losing

[nova bluff]

the whole thing is a conspiracy

yeah yingying was broken after Weiyang, Granny Turtle did save her

[finite pond]

betrayal

[nova bluff]

they were both broken, one just lost her mother the other missing a duaghter

[glossy sable]

Also Granny Turtle MVP for best old lady in the game

[mint spade]

Granny Turtle suffered way more than she should have, so sad

[nova bluff]

also go back and find granny turtle you can give her money

[glossy sable]

If you didnt buy her turtle the first time you have no heart

[nova bluff]

uuuh yingying was an evil person

[mint spade]

She still is.

[nova bluff]

she had a heart thats why she lost weiyang

no, obviously she changed

[finite pond]

huh? who is yingying in chinese history?

[mint spade]

She's a fictional character

Her obvious change is killing off good officials and replacing them with evil officials so she can save the people from evil officials and be the good person

[nova bluff]

you dont understand, yingying murdered her husband and took control over his family, she played with lives and decided who to live or die. She throws money on the ground and watch people fight over it and laugh at them. She was the top dog in Weiyang.

but she couldnt kill her Mother in the end, so she lost everything

[mint spade]

Yes, she loves her mother so all her evil deeds can be forgiven.

Just like how she said "imma do it for the people!" So we can forget who put them in that situation in the first place.

[vague shoal]

Bro he's an ember of the east hater

A ceritified one so don't bother changing his mind

[nova bluff]

the whole thing with Yingying is turning a new leaf, learning what she did wrong and trying to redeem herself

also Good and Bad is a bad way to look at it

[deft haven]

Me when yingying 🥺

[nova bluff]

there is no such thing as black and white here

[mint spade]

Trying, but still killing people to do it.

The story can portray her redeeming all it wants, but the way they make her out to be a saint in the end is what rubs me the wrong way

[nova bluff]

if youre going to categorise characters into black and white, youre just going to misinterpret everything

[glossy sable]

I think this comes down to how much you believe someone can redeem themselves

i like the lamp-lighting monk's statement, "One more good is still good, and one less evil, is still less evil."

[nova bluff]

it comes down to understanding the plot, the game was potraying Yingying as a person who wants to change

[mint spade]

No it wasn't, people trying to change is Lady Ugly

[vague shoal]

Daily reminder that Salmon has always been a yingying hater, dont bother changing his mind

[mint spade]

She very much was portrayed as a flawless saint by the end of her redemption arc without any internal logical consistency

[glossy sable]

Public portrayal is separate from private. Sometimes the "people" need a Saint

[nova bluff]

like I said, no black and whites, theyre more complex than "good" and "evil"

Ye Wanshan slaughtered the people he swore to protect while wearing Khitan Armour, to get a reaction from Cai Rong.

Sacrifice the few, to save the many.

Li Zhenzhen killed SOOOOOO many Jianghu warriors to save a Khitan Envoy

[deft haven]

I finished the qinghe quest weeks ago and idk if i remember correctly, wasnt yingying the person that aunt han wanted to hide us?

[nova bluff]

because Tian Ying asked her so

[glossy sable]

Ember of the East i think is the person who was supposed to hide us?

[nova bluff]

like if a handful wrong doings makes people evil, then all the people we know in the game and in real life is evil

[deft haven]

Thats what i remembered too

[nova bluff]

Wen Wuque, her real name

[glossy sable]

Yingying is encountered as a random person. Even though she steals from you, she also did help you evade a fight.

[vague shoal]

Hide us and the people of blissful retreat yeah, but the attack came early so the plan went to smoke

[deft haven]

I wonder why yingying decides to not say anything about it when we were in kaifeng already

[nova bluff]

if Yingying was truly evil and just wanted Southern Tang's support. She could have just killed us, less unknown entity

because the Tang Coins conspiracy is already underway

thats why she cant mess it up

[glossy sable]

Also encountering Little Fu, Lu, and Shou, kinda makes me want to go back in the quest line to see if the triplets ever swapped themselves out in earlier quests.

[vague shoal]

Why would she reveal her identity to us, she even scammed our parting tears lol

She only reveals herself after she trust the MC

[glossy sable]

Yingying kinda feels like she is setup as a love interest

[deft haven]

I mean yeah, sorry i didnt specified, i meant after the reveal

[nova bluff]

oh btw the reason why Yingying is weak af is because when they threw her out they destroyed her merdians and basically left her for dead, she only managed to escape because her mother sacrificed herself

[vague shoal]

Sugar mommy love interest, I feel it too

But this game is too linear for romance, so yeah hope someone cook some fanfictions

[glossy sable]

Murong Yuan is my personal ship with MC

[finite pond]

Murong yuan too zealous imo

[vague shoal]

You dont know how much I want to travel tghe world with Murong Yuan after the Mo and Lu debate, but ofc we need to avenge ruby first

[timber nebula]

you have to make her Murongs Muright first

[nova bluff]

Murong had every right to take revenge

[timber nebula]

Murong had every Muright*

[nova bluff]

tho ofc Shimmer of the South made it worse, she already forgave everything already

[glossy sable]

If we are going to insert weird dad jokes, heres one. What do you call a tiny Leviathan? A Lolithan

[vague shoal]

No she didnt, her father refused to bend the knee

Not the emperor's fault he had to put him down

[finite pond]

not gonna lie, Qin ruolan's CN voice acting is going to live on my head rent free for months

[vague shoal]

The new emperor even asked him to join his cause

[deft haven]

I wonder if our friendship with mistaaa emperor will save our ahh someday

[vague shoal]

If u were in the world of WWM, you would be spending your fortune on qin roulan's ASMR or sthing lmao

[timber nebula]

why is it a lolithian

[finite pond]

nah, I would spend my whole life being a farmer in Qinghe, if i am unlucky

[timber nebula]

what kind of farmer

[glossy sable]

I would be that guy whose hand is in one cutscene and nothing else

[deft haven]

I would be killed by a bear

[nova bluff]

Do you understand the historical part of the whole thing, Big Zhao donning the yellow robe?

Did you understand the letters Shoujie sent to Murong? General Murongs plight?

[timber nebula]

ye

[nova bluff]

after leaving Kaifeng Shoujie was feeding lies to her sister

when she came back to Kaifeng she wanted to kill General Murong due to the lies

[vague shoal]

When she understood everything she took revenge on Song, what does big Zhao has to do with Li Run's rebellion? Guy was just stubborn and decided to die for a lost cause

Sr if I misremember the general's name, but being loyal to the old dynasty is just pure stubborness

[nova bluff]

Because Zhao usurped the last dysnasty? what do you think Zhao is a good guy?

[vague shoal]

The new emperor was a child

You dont put a kid on the throne in turbulent times, and he has support of 90% of the goverment

The coup was peaceful

[nova bluff]

i think you missing important historical context

[vague shoal]

If it were me I would usurp the throne in that circumstances too lol

[nova bluff]

You have misgivings and misinterpretation of loyalty

[glossy sable]

I mean he is a good guy to us personally. I can't comment on him yet as still working on the Kaifeng story.

[vague shoal]

Like I said the guy wanted to rebel because he could not let go, taking revenge on song is useless

[deft haven]

Big zhao gives a vibe of ruler who truly wants good for people but it kinda doesnt work most of time

[paper rampart]

Big Zhao in game good guy
Big Zhao in history good guy

[nova bluff]

the Li Family has been loyal to Cai Rong's lineage.

Zhao's usurpation is wrong

[glossy sable]

Reminds me of the saying that the Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions

[vague shoal]

No it did work out, at least he put an end to the disastrious five dynasty and 10 kingdoms era

[nova bluff]

The Loyal guards stood by their liege and died with it

[vague shoal]

It's not wrong when he unified China and brought peace

[nova bluff]

see

its not black and white

[vague shoal]

Later zhou would gone to sht with a kid on the throne

Hence Murong Yuan revenge isnt even justified

Which is why she chose to let go of her revenge

To seek the dao

[deft haven]

Yea, but i had in mind the coin confiscation thingy

[vague shoal]

Literally everyone was wrong lol

[nova bluff]

Her Revenge is justified tho

[vague shoal]

She was wrong with her revenge

I standby that

[nova bluff]

she wanted to ruin the navy for killing her family

how is that not justified

[deft haven]

Idk about lore my mc is bff with big zhao

[vague shoal]

Th ex general CHOSE TO DIE by rebelling lol

[nova bluff]

how is Zhao not involved when he literally gave the orders

[vague shoal]

cause he rebel???

Ofc he has to kill him

Are you saying he shouuld just spare him, even general murong tried to convince him again during the rebel

[nova bluff]

that doesnt make her revenge unjustifiable*

[vague shoal]

U said it yourself now lol

[nova bluff]

oh sorry, mistyped.

[vague shoal]

No, u r right, you did not mistype

[nova bluff]

just because Zhao had the reason to order the Li's family death

doesnt mean Yuan didnt have a reason to take revenge

[vague shoal]

....I fail to see the logic in that

[glossy sable]

Murong Yuan was lied to (or misled) multiple times, like I wish I could have walked next to her story to have the full context of what she knew when.

[vague shoal]

She can take revenge or whatever, but it's the wrong decision

[deft haven]

When you're a ruler you have to take care of rebels since they can destroy the peace you created

[vague shoal]

Agree to disagree

If the brother's letter was true then her revenge is justified

[nova bluff]

Its the wrong decision to whom? To Song? To Tang? To General Murong? To Shoujie? To Yuan?

[vague shoal]

But it's not so yeah, it's a joke in the end, she admitted it herself

It's all in the lu and mo debate

[nova bluff]

its more complex than what youre claiming and looking at it with 1 perspective

[vague shoal]

She let go and seek the Dao, her whole life has been a mistake which she admitted

Lets just agree to disagree

[nova bluff]

because obviously it was the right Decision to Southern Tang, destroying the Navy means Zhao cant continue his endless wars.

Wrong decision to General Murong because she didnt want her Daughter to drown in vengeance.

You cant pick a perspective and say thats the right one. As far as Yuan was concered when she was building the self detonating device. Her Revenge is just.

[finite pond]

hmm in terms of popularity in CN murong yuan is quite low. I guess the CN players disliked the portrayal of Song Dynasty being Bad.

[nova bluff]

Not bad, but typical

[vague shoal]

Ok you play the lu and mo debate and tell me, I only know she admitted her choices have been wrong in that quest

It's what the character told me and I stand by it

[nova bluff]

Yeah, after the fact no?

if you read what i said again

As far as Yuan was concered when she was building the self detonating device. Her Revenge is just.

[finite pond]

I suppose with how deeply familiar most of CN players in the history especially the peak dynasty like tang

[vague shoal]

That;a not revenge, that's her admitting building the ship is wrong and is destryoing it to stop Song

It's not even revenge honestly

But she did plan to detonate the ship during the war

To cause losses to Song

That is totally not justified lol but it's okay to have different opinions

[finite pond]

why do they hate song tho

[vague shoal]

Song is trying to invade southern tang

[finite pond]

are they that deeply into tang dynasty?

[nova bluff]

What? No, wtf. After Southern revelaed the truth to her, they told her the best way to take revenge against Zhao is to destroy the precious 5 toothed warship.

[vague shoal]

Yes and she planned to destroy the ship later in the campaign

[finite pond]

seems like some of people I encounter are Tang loyalist

[vague shoal]

But due to us she had to destroy the ship early

[nova bluff]

yeah and thats her revenge, do you have any idea how much time and money they used to build it

[vague shoal]

If she destroyed the ship later, she would have been manipulated by southern tang into useless revenge

It's all southern tang conspiracy, manipulating her feelings so idk why you're trying to justify that lol

Like they are obviously the bad guys

[nova bluff]

????? its not manipulating her feelings, its tellling her the truth

wtf are you talking about it

[vague shoal]

Yeah by causing turmoil and make her hate Song

[nova bluff]

all these years she taught it was General Murong who did it out of ambition

her bottled feelings blew up with the revelation of the truth

[vague shoal]

When the ex general rebelled because he was stubborn to being loyal to the old dynasty

Everyone is in the wrong here

So don't justify murong yuan lol

Ok I said my last argument

You talk like I don't undertand Murong yuan lore so I wont bother discussing this with you anymore

[nova bluff]

????? did just justify Murong? I said her Revenge was Justified, i didnt say she was right with her action.

Same with Zhao, what he did isnt wrong, but its within proper response. But that doesnt mean Yuan doenst have a justifiable reason to take her revenge.

Zhao ordering the death of his father is enough reason to seek vengeance

is it right? no, thats why General Murong wanted us to stop her

[vague shoal]

How is her revenge was justified the same with her being wrong with her action, youre contradicting yourself

If she is wrong how is her revenge justified...?

[nova bluff]

Look at it in her perspective not mine

[vague shoal]

No she was justified WHEN she was lied too

but when she realized the truth she took it out on song, being manipulated

that is no longer justified, you feel me?

[deft haven]

Brynhildr point is murong thought it was just so its just basically

[nova bluff]

just to be sure that you do know the correct sequence can you walk me throught with Shoujie's Letter and Murong Yuan return back to Kaifeng

because i think youre missing a few steps and dont understand why Murong Yuan thinks her action is justifiable revenge

actually begin with Shoujie in the Li Manor

with their dad

[deft haven]

But still if one thinks their revenge is justified it doesnt make it justified

[vague shoal]

Forget it, I only know she's no longer justified with destroying the ship to screw song when she knew the truth behind general murong

Or she's still behind hid information that Li Run was rebelling because of pure stubborness

Then she's still justified to take revenge on song

Like if she was fed information that Song forced her father to rebel

[nova bluff]

thats why im asking you to tell me the story because it feels liek you are missing a few details

[vague shoal]

Ok idk what information southern tang fed her but I vaguely remember that they told her the "truth"

Which it might not be

If that's the case then I was wrong

[nova bluff]

thats already late in her story, if youre missing details from the beginning you wouldnt understand why shes losing it and hellbent on her revenge

[vague shoal]

I really dont want to write my own Murong Yuan lore again because it;s a pain in the ahh, but I can asure I dont miss any of it

[neon topaz]

yea

[nova bluff]

oh so youve typed it out, can just direct me to that, i can read from there

[vague shoal]

From the childhood with her mother

I said I dont want to write my understanding cause it's a pain, not that I've written it but dont write it again

[nova bluff]

I really dont want to write my own Murong Yuan lore again

[vague shoal]

Like I'd be writing a post as long as those lore reddit post, no way im doing that

[nova bluff]

oh i thought youve written it out already

and dont wanna write it out again

[vague shoal]

My bad, not again

[nova bluff]

okay thats fine

give me the gist of when Murong came back to Kaifeng

when she started the Jinming Pool project

[vague shoal]

Joined the lubanist to take revenge on general murong?

[nova bluff]

is that a question for me or a statement?

[vague shoal]

statement

[nova bluff]

okay continue, to make sure youre in the right timeline this is after she got her letters from Shoujie

what happened

[wraith sigil]

man MC is dumb like a sack of bricks, especially me being Chinese I'm like YOU GETTING SCAMMED I've seen this before!

[vague shoal]

Found out he went mad but still locked murong up? Till she got the "truth" from ember of the east?

[nova bluff]

youre skipping ALOT of stuff

[vague shoal]

Youre saying tell me the gist

[nova bluff]

i mean tell me the important parts smh

[wraith sigil]

question how much more MSQ is left, I just ate the poison and found all the people scamming me

[vague shoal]

Tell me your version then, and I'll compare it with mine

[nova bluff]

no, because like youve said im treating you like you dont know the story of Murong Yuan. Im sorry if you felt that way, but time to prove me wrong.

because youve jumped a huge gap, which has important info in it

[vague shoal]

No you need to tell me your version first because Im bad at putting things together in a long ahh paragrah

Hence I dontw ant to write it

[nova bluff]

thats why im helping you

what happened between your first and second statement

[storm cobalt]

is this competitive loring

[vague shoal]

Like I need to review everything to write a coherent paragraph

[nova bluff]

theres an important thing that happened

[vague shoal]

Ok man just tell me your side and maybe I can find myself wrong

[nova bluff]

its not about you being wrong, its about you understanding what happened and how murong yuan justified her actions to herself

[vague shoal]

Like I said I really dont want to write it, just tell me your side of the story so I can see if I got things wrong

[nova bluff]

btw i should ask did you read ingame readable etc. or did you read a reddit post for her story?

[finite pond]

why most people are against song dynasty

most characters in wwm

[vague shoal]

Song dynasty is one of the 3 worst dynasties in chinese history so it's not favorably viewed upon

[nova bluff]

Not exactly, Its jsut the people that are moving have incentives and grudges against Zhao's thats why

[finite pond]

you mean emperor zhao?

[nova bluff]

you dont want to write it down or you dont know?

[vague shoal]

I've said a million times I dont want to write it

[neon narwhal]

Song is trying to go to war, people dont like war

[vague shoal]

Because im bad at writing a lore paragraph coherently

[nova bluff]

Emperor Taizu to be more precise

[vague shoal]

Like seriously lol

[finite pond]

which the tang loyalist take advantage of to make most people rebel against song?

[nova bluff]

do it incoherently then, i can decipher

[vague shoal]

No if I do it incoherently youre gonna say I miss all the important points

[lost maple]

Looking for group to do Bodhi Sea with. And other quests. Message me im level 20

[nova bluff]

dont miss the important points then smh

[vague shoal]

Then I would ahve to write it coherently

[nova bluff]

its like school, do it in bullet points

[neon narwhal]

and also because south Tang is a target for said war, Song wants to unify China

[vague shoal]

Reviewall the pieces I know of

Nah Im not doing that

[nova bluff]

i mean i asked a simple question, just answer that

waht happened inbetween of Murong Yuan returning to Kaifeng and her buildiing the Warship

[vague shoal]

Ur literally asking me the same thing over and over, which I have explained why I dont want to

Like I can admit my mistakes if you write what you know but please, if you want me to write just know I wont be doing it

[nova bluff]

Taizu is on a streak of Expansionism. Everyone is going to get conquered, so cripple his economy and military to delay any more campaigns.

[finite pond]

so it's like 3 kingdoms again?

[nova bluff]

I think its not because you dont want to, its because you dont know. I was right to treat you like you havent understood her whole story. I am sorry to say this; but if you knew the answer is simple, short and concise. Maybe go back to that reddit post youve seen then comeback to me.

[vague shoal]

Ok I was right you'd be assuming that

Just forget it if you think Im making excuses, let's stop here

[nova bluff]

you cant answer as simple question but you keep on yapping endlessly when an answer would have suffice, a sentence lenght of an answer mind you. But you cant provide it, ofc ill asume you dont know.

thats why ive asked you to prove me wrong

but you couldnt

[vague shoal]

You would just be saying I miss the important parts when I clearly explained why I dont wanna write long paragrahs

[nova bluff]

but the answer im looking for aint a paragraph. Ive narrowed my question so specifically

[vague shoal]

But yeah whatever, I said Im ready to admit by mistakes if you write what you know but you can jsut think im wrong

It's whatever

[neon narwhal]

This is like watching gift of gabs in real time 🍿

[wraith sigil]

what are their scholar levels xD

[nova bluff]

Its the 5 Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms all over again. Before Zhao it was like that too, General or Military Leaders Usurping the throne plunging the whole region in war.

this time we are watch Song Expansionism and how their neighbours are trying to stop/slow it down.

[vague shoal]

Im literally telling you to school me but it's fine

If you dont trust me that I'll be admitting by mistakes then there's no longer any point to the discussion

[nova bluff]

Yup. I refuse to put you on that level because obviously you can read and is interested in the story, I want you to look for the answer yourself. Youre already well aware but just missing a few important details.

But youre not admiting that you dont know rather you just cant right paragraphs.... idk which one is worse

[vague shoal]

Yeah and Im asking you to educate me, Im totally fine with it but you just have to do it your way by already assuming I dont know anything

[nova bluff]

so, let me get this straight

do you know the answer or you dont?

[vague shoal]

I might have the wrong answer, so I want you to tell me your version so I can compare

You can just assume I have the wrong answers and lack of information when I ask you to school me

[nova bluff]

perfect, then let me hear the answer you are presuming to be wrong, then i can correct it! hey maybe its the right answer and i dont need to correct you at all

[vague shoal]

But please dont assume that I know jackahh instead

[nova bluff]

but we wouldnt know until you answer

[nova bluff]

Look Ive already stated it; > Youre already well aware but just missing a few important details.

[vague shoal]

Yeah and Im asking you to educuate me, cause if I write mine version then I will be missing those importnat details

So why would I bother

Let me see if Im wrong

[alpine path]

Only usually there is a timer but this one doesn’t so it keeps on going

[nova bluff]

okay then write it, let see if it is missing

[vague shoal]

Great, we've been wasting 20 minutes of this meaningless exchange

Oh right, please focus on the part of the lore where it justifies her revenge to keep it concise

[nova bluff]

||Yeah, theres a hint that theyre related, the brief appearance in Qinghe hinted it. Further on will give more support to that theory. Possibly Siblings. Qianye... possibly.... male....||

DONT CLICK IF YOU DONT WANT CN INFO

[nova bluff]

and you still couldnt give me an answer for such a simple question

[vague shoal]

I've literally been telling you why

[storm cobalt]

can you two please just stop

[nova bluff]

because you dont know the answer obviously. Im done here.

[vague shoal]

Lol and Im asking you to teach me, but you just decide im clueless

Fine then, lets stop

Pointless to be polite and respectful when you get none of it

[nova bluff]

||CN doesnt have anymore, btw this aint confirmed or anything it just heavily implies. My CN isnt amazing, i can read a because i can read Japanese. Global might TL it differently or missed out on some info totally||

I think Uncle Tian being a woman was left out in the global readables

[neon narwhal]

and also both sides refusing to play their cards xD

[storm cobalt]

I only play gift of gab for the funky music

[mint spade]

Seriously? Uncle Tian being a woman is the entire point of her diary about being with Aunt Han

And also gives a bit of background to Aunt Han too, since you don't get a devoted maidservant like that unless you were a rich young lady with some serious backing

[nova bluff]

Im not sure if Uncle Tian being in loved with Aunt Han was mentioned in global, i wouldnt be surprised if some of the infos are mistranslated

specially early on

[nova bluff]

Most of the info regarding Aunt Han is about during the time Hanging Blades, before that is more speculation than facts

[mint spade]

MC is still working out the love triangle between Tian and Jiang when our brother dao comes to bring us a new name. Chu

[nova bluff]

I think by this time MC is already aware Aunt Han only had 1 lover

Jiang and Han are platonic, you can see it in their letters

[tidal juniper]

Bros been at it for an hour

[nova bluff]

Aunt Han used to change faces for their Agents but when it was Chu thats going to do the face changing she refused

but they stole her technique and went with it regardless

[alpine path]

I always assumed it was not because of the face change but the danger it would entail

[nova bluff]

i mean both the face changing and the mission both entails danger

because the operation could fail

Han was right to be worried in the end, Chu did die

No no, absolutely not

we know Tian Ying's whole story

thered be massive conflicts

Yes

Wen Renpu recruited Tian Ying in the Hanging Blades

Chu was part of the Northern Vow, but during this time those two org worked closely for Operation Swallow

yeah you wouldnt, its the guy who Cai Rong tasked to make the Hanging Blades

a Hanging Blades elder helped a young Tian Ying but he wouldnt get recruited there and then

[shut patrol]

hi.. i am in the middle of kaifeng quest.. where granny turtle was crying after remembering her son died.. Why did she get attacked by soldiers after this?..
I was flabbergusted combat sequence initiated and really confused about it

[nova bluff]

honestly i think the game assumes we know alot of stuff about the Sixteen Prefectures of Yanyun already and some background in CN history

alot of stuff would be confusing and odd without background

[nova bluff]

isnt it because she was holding tang coins?

[shut patrol]

maybe, i kinda dislike kaifeng quest..
but i don't get why she got attacked?

no? it was her savings from different "years"

[nova bluff]

yes

and it had different types of coins

[rapid pine]

i mean to be fair i imagine that this period of history is covered in schools in china so their primary fanbase would have at minimum surface level knowledge

[nova bluff]

which was illegal to have

[shut patrol]

why though? tang coint illegal because they are made from iron and so have no value..

[nova bluff]

becauser it destroys the economy and trust in money

if you dont know how much your money will be worth tomorrow can you sleep peacfully? if it can buy a bread today but dust tomorrow?

[shut patrol]

I don't have an issue with banning tang coins. in my mind they should have went harder

[nova bluff]

Yeah true, tho i wish they armed their international audience better 😔

[shut patrol]

but she had just old copper coins, no? They might be outdated but still have value. Or not?

[nova bluff]

she had other coins

from Zhou and Wu

but more important she had Tang Coins

it was a mix of currency, showing how bad the 5 Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms period was

[rapid pine]

yeah maybe through a video or something, it's not related to the world in any sense but i remember the shogun show did a short video explaining what was going on historically and how it ties in with the plot

[nova bluff]

theres like so many different types of currency

which the games try to mimic by making us expereience it

mind you we are missing Treasure Coins in Global

[shut patrol]

its still quite overkill to attack her imo, but ok. Thx for the answer.

[nova bluff]

the Confiscation order was really hard. I wouldnt call it Legalism but they really went hard because theyre preparing for war

[vague shoal]

Werent they trying to confiscate it and the MC just stepped in

[shut patrol]

it was blacked screened for me when she started to cry

and then i got attacked out of nowhere

[vague shoal]

Wouldnt say they were attacking the granny

Just your typical soldiers bullying the peasants and righteous MC trying to help

[nova bluff]

and Southern Tang releasing bad coins further screws the economy further, so the government is pressured.

Remember even the Granary is purposefully hoarding food. You can feel the pressure

its a multi pronged attack

[shut patrol]

its kinda ruined for me by peasants doing illegal staff

and mc being scammed by these peasants at the same time..

[vague shoal]

They had no choice, there was a shortage of legal copper coins, and then there's tang coins being flooded in the market. People had to use soemthing

[nova bluff]

Nine Mortal Ways purposefully participated with flooding the city with it

people had to eat, theyd need currency

[shut patrol]

i didn't yet get to it, i am in the middle of cutscene i started discussion with

[vague shoal]

You just have to know that the peasants are being forced to use tang coins, they dont have a choice here

[nova bluff]

also MC getting scammed left in right perfectly shows the state of the city

people cheating other people just to get by

foreign powers meddling

local government stepping on people

meanwhile one side of the map has affluent people living the life, the otherside is a slum

[shut patrol]

ok, another question.. Is it me or

1. why mc while infiltrating the gathering decided to stay right behind ember of east
2. mc framing looked really forced.. (if we ingore him\her not having an access (though this friend should have been easily handle this situation as he clearly not who he tries to pretend))

i understand that both are plot devices but still

[nova bluff]

Remember MC needed to meet the Ember of the East

thats why MC needs to get close to Wen Wuque

[shut patrol]

by the way, Wen Wuque is she or he? VA is clearly female but..

[nova bluff]

She, ill not spoil more

[indigo valley]

Kept playing for now

[shut patrol]

ah, gotcha, classic trope then... Localization sometimes beaks the immersion(

thx, i'll get to the quest then, have a nice day

[nova bluff]

you too, maybe stay away from here till yyou finish kaifeng

so you dont cathc a stray spoiler bullet

[indigo valley]

I’m gonna ask a keifong quest story

[nova bluff]

okay shoot, ill spoiler the/my answer

[indigo valley]

|| so. Since at the time Ember of east and god of avarice seem like both working for southern tang at the time. Why they seem like they sabotage each other. So lord shi doesn’t know any of the plan they doing right then? ||

[nova bluff]

||because Shi is involved with the Aurete Pavillion||

[indigo valley]

I mean I know they clearly enemy.

Oh || so southern tang wasn’t fully control by aurate pavilion?||

[nova bluff]

||Remember Sotuehrn Tang =/= Aurrete Pavillion||

[indigo valley]

Hmmm

[nova bluff]

||No, not totally/yet. Li Zuo wants to turn everyone to unfeeling immortal puppets. Just like the ones he saw in the Gleaming Abyss with Li||

||Because being the real true/last Tang Emp. he think he owns Sounthern Tang, who position themselves as the sucessor the Tang||

[mint spade]

||So is Yingying, which another point why I don't buy her redemption arc being finalized already. She just makes terrible plans that backfire on her hard. Unless you want to argue she is not with the Aureate pavilion despite using Murong and Zheng E's betrayal as part of her plot||

[indigo valley]

So basically || the pavilion currently working in southern tang to conquer it from in side huh? ||

[mint spade]

||No, the pavilion is South Tang's CIA||

[indigo valley]

||murong kinda die for nothing lmao||

[mint spade]

||Rongyuan really got screwed in the whole mess

Got lied to about her father, about Zhao, about the army, about who to fight for...

And she says "I won't serve an unjust country" and serves a country that literally starved a city to wage an economic war, bringing civilian casualties into hostilities between countries||

||And worse yet now she's betrayed the mohists and we know Mohists are the coolest faction in game||

[indigo valley]

Also. Why the pavilion sent god of avarice to keifong? What do they need from them? To investigate the basin?

[nova bluff]

||No no, shes not part of the Aurete Pavillion. Her only involvement was with Southern Tang. Yuan and Zheng E already had motives for what theyre about to do, Wuque just proposed a plan on how to do it together. With Velvet Shade, Nine Mortal Ways (Dao Lord), Zheng, Yuan and Ma Er||

||All their goals allign with Southern Tang one way or the other. The Enemy of my enemy is my friend and Quid Pro Quo||

[fossil pebble]

||She still alive||

[mint spade]

Not part of it, but she knows full well who is behind the operations.

Said nice person also likes hiring Unbound Cavern members.

[nova bluff]

||The Aurete Pavillion is owned by Li Zuo. Before being exiled Liu Qingyi danced the Aurette for Him. thats why its called that. He basically wants to take over Southern Tang yes. If you know Li Zou's story he is like an MC taking back everything that was taken away from him lmao||

[indigo valley]

Unless it was part of a plan like what tian ying did. I’m not convinced jumping in pit of flame will let you come back alive easily

[nova bluff]

||Wuque has alot of enemies, she first taught Shi was sent by her Cousin, because Wuque really was evil when she was at Weiyang. So when she fell from grace her cousin took over and is gigamad at her. Shi is her cousin's people, so she didnt deduced that Aurete is involved untill the reveal||

[mint spade]

It was not part of a plan but Mohists are overpowered in the lore of this game.

[indigo valley]

I kinda don’t get it geographically. If I have to guess the pavilion should be in Chang an? But the southern tang is in the south of song which is already in the south of Chang an

[mint spade]

She doesn't even know who Lord Shi is, Lord Shi had his face changed to replace the real Lord Shi

[nova bluff]

No she was well aware, its the same Shi, its just a Shi who flipped sides to Aurete.

[mint spade]

Read Lord Shi's bio, she didn't know until she exposed herself in front of him during that hair reveal

[nova bluff]

Dont think of Aurete Pavilion as a place like Shu or Southern tang

[timber nebula]

Lord Shi was a honest just merchant that got shafted by wen wuque.

Then turns to avarice man. Joins pavillion man gets face changed.

Real lord Shi was a strict but cared about people typa guy, gets killed and was like oh shi

Ember of my yeast is of the wuque family

They're kinda ruthless ngl

Wuque family saw Wen was weak willed and protected her mom. She dieded

Wen escapes and meets granny turt
Kinda senile
Thinks it's her daughter, accepts the kindness

Grows slowly but plots to ruin song dynasty

MC and granny start unravelling Kai's fung.

Big Zhao learns and they fix stuff.

Then you Zheng e

Then you muright murings

Then sand

[mint spade]

That is poetry in motion. You must be a grand historian of the sima clan

[indigo valley]

Dam. Look like wuque is really a piece of work back than

[timber nebula]

Wuque was a cut throat family she had no choice but couldn't fully commit

Big Zhao btw

[nova bluff]

Oh i thought you meant Shi got replaced mid way in Kaifeng already. mb.

But No she wasnt aware Shi was working for Aurete pavillion until the reveal

[mint spade]

She very much does, else she would not have allowed him to touch the gold generating pot

Because the illusion would not have worked for anyone who touches the pot

[nova bluff]

why the surprise when it was revealed then, would be pointless to act at that point

[indigo valley]

So wuque did not fall from grace. But more like got banish for being ah?

[nova bluff]

She did

[indigo valley]

Dayum

[timber nebula]

Both

[nova bluff]

because she wanst heartless enough to kill her own mother

[timber nebula]

Fall and banish

[mint spade]

Her entire body is broken and her meridians destroyed escaping from her execution

[timber nebula]

But now meeting yingying and her saving John wind was kinda like "wow"

[mint spade]

She was very much slated to die, but she somehow got out alive probably by burning all her meridians into a berserk state

[timber nebula]

She needs a harmonic core to fix her meridians it's why she asks MC for momies

[nova bluff]

not banished, survived because her mother tried to save her

[indigo valley]

Imma gonna open pc and log in to the game to read the lore despite its 3 in morning here

[timber nebula]

On god true, that's how she survived from evil brother man

[nova bluff]

why would the Wen banish someone when theyre known to just kill

[timber nebula]

You sea

[timber nebula]

Are?

[mint spade]

Her mother took the execution hit and gave her the anger power up buff

[nova bluff]

also not Brother

Cousin

Wen Wuque is the daughter of the sister of the HEad of the Wen family

[indigo valley]

So she wasn’t evil my normal standard but suck in wen standard?

[mint spade]

Pretty much, yea

[timber nebula]

O fr? It was the in game lore that said it was brother

[nova bluff]

no, she was real evil but loved mommy too much