📖lore-chat

[fossil geode]

Didnt they literally bury her body after?

[drowsy adder]

i just finished all the tales and echoes on qinghe and dang who knew that tian ying was the main character of qinghe

a gold leaf

its a very long side quest i havent finished the part 2 and 3 yet

[lusty idol]

I chose the pastry

[drowsy adder]

what did zheng ran said after?

[lusty idol]

Uhm, not sure it was a while back, what did she say after you chose '' a gold leaf'' ?

[drowsy adder]

not sure either i've been finishing qinghe for quite a while now, but after chose that you'll go meet someone and that's where the long quest starts

earlier i just got a secret ending on qinghe after finishing the tales and echoes and rn im finishing the wandering tales

[lusty idol]

Probably is the same, I dont remember though

[drowsy adder]

probably

[vague shoal]

Isnt that quest going to expire soon, you should finish it asap

[grizzled citrus]

Where in the lore do they explain why hair dye is so rare? (actual question)

[mellow horizon]

there is no actual lore specific that question afaik

but you can just remember that white hair has a high meaning within the whole Wuxia/Xianxia world

Most ppl who has white-hair (besides old people) are usually very wise and strong people who mastered their own body and reached a next level

This is the summarized version

You could probably go way deeper into that topic

but im too lazy

[severe apex]

I’m speechless…..

[blissful carbon]

😔

[bronze raven]

the simple reason for hair dye is that people have black hair, its harder to dye black hair so ones that work properly are going to be rare.

[timber nebula]

Aran is such a sweet girl

Either is fine it gives her hope

We are emperor

It's confirmed 😆 due to a bug from a CN player revealing his mask

[thorny timber]

YES 😭

[timber nebula]

Kaifeng man..

[bitter holly]

Can i still 100% qinghe even if im already done with cHapter 1 like blissful retreat is now in ruins and do i miss some side quests

[remote comet]

What’s Yanyun? The country the game set in? The city? Region? I’m confused

[heady sigil]

Wait. So our character is Wang's kid?

[crystal lion]

Just whyyyy

Why would you share this

[timber nebula]

no the masked figure that took the pendant was our uncle

[heady sigil]

And why would he do that?

[olive nebula]

Anyone knows if Qian Ye is dead or not? Maybe she came back already in chinese server?

[timber nebula]

story reasons

[sleek rover]

My girl became A MAN? 😭 😭

[timber nebula]

emperorette

[sleek rover]

No real talk I don't think it's possibleeee there must be anot-- EmperoRETTE

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[timber nebula]

its the region the khitans took over

[old beacon]

Dont tell me she is going to die too 😢

[wild marsh]

I chose pastry and it went back to choosing but with the leaf as the only option

[severe apex]

It’s part of the lore. It happened unfortunately

[strange hamlet]

Yup

[lost condor]

wait, is the land we currently inhabit the land of Jianghu?

[thorn coral]

How strong our character in lore? I think our character surpassed yi dao after blissfull retreat got destroyed

[strange hamlet]

Hmm

[vestal vault]

An economically and militarily important piece of land that was ceded to the Khitans

[vestal vault]

Jianghu refers to "the world out there" beyond conventional societies. The realm of martial artist power struggles, wandering heroes and outlaws

[lost condor]

ah, so it's more of a..... not physical thing

[vestal vault]

Closest western equivalent is "the streets" where it symbolizes a social space governed by personal honor, loyalty, and martial skill rather than official laws

[paper rampart]

It’s like pokemon

[lost condor]

I assume the greater lands beyond (physically speaking) is just China? like the greater whole of everything is china. or is it not china?

[vestal vault]

Game is set in turbulent historical fiction version of Song dynasty China, geographically slightly north of current day Beijing

[paper rampart]

It means lands in world, not involving ocean

[quiet wigeon]

"the streets" is governed by personal honor, loyalty, and martial skill??

[vestal vault]

Closest equivalent

[paper rampart]

Back then those jianghu people believed earth was flat.

[steady leaf]

Could be

[vestal vault]

Do you one better, they think their land is the center of everything

While being flat and square

[lost condor]

tbf a lot of ancient civilizations thought like that. idk about the flat and square one tho

[naive bramble]

idk I think we are being hidden so why would someone hide a poor persons kid.. idk

[lost condor]

I know that people knew the earth was spherical for a really long time, so Idk maybe that'll tell us when this game takes place

[quiet wigeon]

huh. The silk road is pretty established at that era. They're actively trading with the byzantines

[vestal vault]

Stated at the start of the game that its in turbulent period between 910 to late 960

[quiet wigeon]

rather than thinking their land is the center of everything I think it's their way of forming the map and form their strategies and plan, which I think is fine

[lost condor]

I'm looking this stuff up. I'm not really sure, but it seems like.... some people knew it was round and other people... didn't? a lot of the western ish world kinda knew it was round at the time.

so I suppose this flat and square thing makes sense for the time

[quiet wigeon]

Emperor Taizu became emperor in 960, so we are definitely on 960+

[lost condor]

it seems like the more sciency people were convinced and the less sciency people were not convinced

*before the song dynasty

[quiet wigeon]

yeah I think this is more likely. After all the public only starting to believe earth is circular after we fully circumvented the earth. And that happened in 1500+

[tropic fossil]

In the "World" section of of the Journal, under "Factions" there's a list of Historical Events - that have dates and regnal names, but nothing else. Is this just something that hasn't come into the WW release yet? Like "Northern Vow" has "946 CE - Third Year of Kaiyun" but doesn't actually what happened. Am I missing something or is it just not in game?

[timber nebula]

Constantly growing

[timber nebula]

It's like the jianghu is like how adventurer to us in the west

Like the mindset of most adventurers

While technically the main character gets is xia

[timber nebula]

Northern vow is just in world faction not irl

[vestal vault]

I'd say 962 for in game time period. With events happening in 908 still within living memory

[timber nebula]

I'd say were in 967

6 7

[tropic fossil]

That's just an example. All the factions have "Historical Events" with dates, but nothing more.

[timber nebula]

Ah mb sorry I misunderstood

[tropic fossil]

No worres 🙂 I just want to know what happened haha. Maybe I'll check with someone who played the CN version!

[fresh knot]

they got me for freaking out on 61. im in shambles

[crude cloud]

Not very skibidi toilet

67

[jaunty coyote]

we are 962, that being said the game does open in the 5 dynasty and 10 kingdoms warring period, which ig if you lived back then you would still think you are in. the characters dont know that the song dynasty will last 300 yrs

the wars haven't really wrapped up yet either so for all they know emperor taizu is just like kingdom 11

[timber nebula]

When will we have 10 kingdoms loving period @jaunty coyote

[jaunty coyote]

when they release velvet shade

i will marry all 10 kingdoms

[timber nebula]

I feel like velvet shade is more spy sect why is it considered the love sect

[jaunty coyote]

velvet shade and nine mortal ways are the same sect one is just rich and pretty

i feel like they do the same thing 😭 one just has plastic surgery and money

mess around with people, spy, steal things, spy some more, sell expensive probably illegal things, spy

[timber nebula]

Velvet shade uses beauty and prestige to get information, nine mortal ways is more using common means and numbers and rats

Velvet shade members make love by saying "you wanna have sects"

[sleek rover]

go have sects with urself

[lost condor]

Not sure where I'd ask this, but why do the hats have holes in the top of them? I imagine it would sorta make wearing a hat a bit pointless since the top of your head is still exposed to the sun and thus would be heated up and make you feel hot

[timber nebula]

to accommodate a hair bun or top knot, a common hairstyle in ancient China

[lost condor]

then I suppose it's rather annoying that pretty much every hairstyle clips with the hats....

[mint spade]

On the contrary, it actually is a lot cooler having the top of your head evaporating sweat than having it covered by straw through ventilation.

The biggest cooling factor, shade, is not affected.

It is also lighter and able to accommodate more head sizes so it doesn't need to be tailor made for each individual, you can more or less pass it around for everyone without a tiny head.

[gray pasture]

you also gotta consider the fact that the world was colder than it is today

though I wish china had a similar hat to the korean's gat

[jaunty coyote]

do you think you can hula hoop a hat with the topknot

[void quail]

the real question is will we ever have a short hair for men

[gray pasture]

I think there's one battle pass outfit that has a short hair

[timber nebula]

yes

you dont?

[jaunty coyote]

i look up to you master I haven't gotten it yet

[paper rampart]

Back then we dont have hairdressers

[inland rain]

The latest outfit has short hair comparatively but it looks dorky to me

[mental ermine]

Give me WuYue kingdom or I riot

[void quail]

I mean I'm not asking for a fade but I suppose that's just a wuxia thing to have every men in long hair lol

[paper rampart]

If you can change china history, do it in game. I prefer the way we are right now.

[void quail]

what, have every men with long hair?

[paper rampart]

Ya. Send a modern hairdresser back to song dynasty

[mental ermine]

that's heretical 😂

[lost condor]

there is one hairstyle you can unlock in that one house with the mirror that has..... short hair I guess. it's more like a medium hair, but it's the shortest hairstyle I've seen (aside from the bald one)

[mental ermine]

it isn't actually, filial piety dictates even your hair is a gift from your parents and you should not cut it, back in the day

[jaunty coyote]

It’s considered honouring your family to have long hair lmao. Cutting hair is akin to a death penalty

[mental ermine]

that's why it was a huge thing when the manchus came in and made everyone shave...

[void quail]

yeah I just googled, so it's kinda like the Sikhs' thing ig

[lost condor]

how does it work with monks tho, since they're bald

[mental ermine]

overwrote the other belief 🤣

[jaunty coyote]

They sever ties to family to serve the dharma. So it’s symbolic of them leaving worldly ties (ancestor and family) behind

[void quail]

what about the dots on the forehead
I remember Krillin have them too

[jaunty coyote]

Basically hair = family respect and monks have no ties except to temple hence giving up family.

[void quail]

technically aunt han gave us up after the fire 😩

[paper rampart]

Perhaps this wwm is the only game where short hair or bald is banned. They are considered as not filial.

Monks on the other hand, they aren’t bald btw. They got 6 dented dots on their heads.

Nuns by the way, not sure in song dynasty but they are fully covered up from head to toes.

[lost condor]

are the masks supposed to look rather unsettling?

[jaunty coyote]

Tbh the monks argue it too. It’s supposed to be ritual scarification for ‘higher faith’ but I don’t think most modern monks do it anymore at least in chan Buddhism

[paper rampart]

Coz the dots are painful to implement af

[jaunty coyote]

Traditionally people do it by burning it with incense

[paper rampart]

More painful than tattoos

[void quail]

like slavebrand?

[paper rampart]

Almost the same pain as becoming eunuch

[jaunty coyote]

It’s basically a nicer cig burn tbh. I’ve not seen a modern monk with it but older generations does it

[jaunty coyote]

We haven’t given her up tho so long hair it is 😭

[paper rampart]

Only way to get short hair is to go faceless

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[jaunty coyote]

It’s supposed to only be given if the monk wants it (not supposed to be forced) so it’s more likened to rite of passage scarification. Tho there is one interesting origin proposed that it’s for the emperor to keep track of where the monks are so maybe under that interpretation

[void quail]

can we use that justification to have short hair in-game? 🤔 maybe like a stray monk who become faithless and let the hair grew back

[jaunty coyote]

Uh technically you can but we have a backstory no?

Honestly a better reasoning for short hair is ‘burned off in heavens pier fire’ 😂

[lost condor]

what season does the game take place in? or is there a good indicator of what sort of temperature range this game has.

I see some people (mostly peasants) wearing the sort of clothing you might imagine seeing in a place that is very hot and humid, but I also see some people (mostly nobility) wearing something you might see in a very cold place.

[balmy zephyr]

Do you guys have suggestions for the journal in game? Like where it asked about diplomatic relations? Feel like this would be something you'd know about 🧍

Im very lost

[limpid rose]

I think for a game like this it varies from location to location

[timber nebula]

No need to stress over that

Not yet at least

[timber nebula]

Yeah one region is ice and snow

[balmy zephyr]

Thank you Mr. Shovel Sand into my Gaping Mouth 🙏

[limpid rose]

I can say that it's not winter in Kaifeng or Qinghe

But thankfully we do have a clue

the pear blossoms flowers in the flower expanse indicate it's spring

[grizzled light]

would anyone know what i might've missed here?

was practically certain i 100%'d those areas, its in the world tab

[limpid rose]

so it's not really harvest season yet

I'm not sure what the farmland in Qinghe was looking like but Kaifengs grain seems to be readily harvested

so it's not consistent at all

[limpid rose]

You have better luck in #🌱beginner-questions

[grizzled light]

shiii aight

[timber nebula]

Try clicking the picture and see what's missing

[timber nebula]

I think it does mention what season it is during idle NPC conversations but we tend to forgor

[grizzled light]

honestly not sure what im looking at

ah nvm im blind

missing a historical event

[timber nebula]

Still not a lore related conversation sadly xD ask in #🌱beginner-questions next time so it doesn't flood chat

[grizzled light]

🤙

[grizzled light]

would this count then?

[steady leaf]

If we are talking about Wang Qing then honestly we could be

But my bet would be on || Li Zuo actually being the father ||

[timber nebula]

Hehe wang qing

Hehehe

[timber nebula]

Bro you know it ain't haha but if you got lore questions hop on over 🤣

[grizzled light]

brother its tough enough sifting through 90 questions of the same thing im doing this to find the lore n what not

[steady leaf]

That just made me laugh, but sadly Qing is almost always read as Ching in wuxia

[timber nebula]

Li zuo is that the famous body positivity singer

[timber nebula]

Hey at least we did answer your question

[grizzled light]

i mean yeah cheers for that big man

[steady leaf]

And as seen in the prologue of the game the Jade is important not just the baby, the Zhenguan jade to be exact

[timber nebula]

Well looking up how big deal jade is it's big deal even in non wuxia ancient china

[rustic yew]

Is the touch of death a type of meridian touch or is it just digging your fingers into their heads lol

[steady leaf]

There is an animation that slaps enemies to death or chopping the back of their neck so could be digging the fingers into the head

[willow basin]

if you click them you should get a menu that gives an overview of what you missed

[limpid rose]

I mean it's said to strike enemy vitals

[rustic yew]

I see the ones if your standing mostly look non lethal but the one where you drop from a height looks like you straight up just dig your finger into their skull like those old wuxia films

[rustic yew]

Cool jw for clarification a friend was asking and made me wonder

[limpid rose]

and meridian touch is explained to be an acupoint art

[grizzled light]

yea i saw that now its just a problem of where

[lost condor]

playing that warboat quest, I also noticed all the soldiers have shaved their heads, is there a reason for that?

[limpid rose]

Probably a punishment

[willow basin]

sorry, i mixed it up a bit! in journal > sentient beings should give a better view, and you can click to open map for a quick tp

[limpid rose]

It's kinda looked down upon to have your heads shaved

[lost condor]

Idk... I don't imagine elite soldiers would be made up of punished soldiers or whatever

[grizzled light]

ah i see, thank you

[steady leaf]

Or crush their heads onto the pavement

[lost condor]

only reason I can think of is practicality but idk

[vestal vault]

The whole breakthrough mechanic might be needed for gameplay balance but lore wise it seems pretty immersion breaking. What could be good in game/lore reasons for the world to power up with you?

[placid iris]

Yeah in ancient china it's believed that hair are gifts from parents so you can't cut them off. Only criminals or Buddhist monks get shaved.

[lost condor]

example

I'm looking at one of the guys begging for mercy and they seem to have short almost shaved hair.

[timber nebula]

Well you're more powerful than them so I would believe it's like a way to show they're not easy but you make a valid point

[gray pasture]

even the strongest martial artists can be killed by regular ruffians if they completely let their guard down

i guess

[void quail]

in my headcanon, the touch of death is the kakashi fingermove

[wild marsh]

My first time using it the enemy was standing on a block so my finger did go in the butt

[soft fossil]

It's what keeps this as wuxia and not xianxia imo. We're superhuman, but not super powered

[void quail]

maybe it would be revealed to us through our MC's origin, like some sort of deity in disguise/reincarnation (swk?)

[placid iris]

You should say that to the people who are insistent that WWM is xianxia lmao.

[placid iris]

Nah we're most likely related to the main villain Li Zuo.

[void quail]

is there anything in the CN version that hinted at this?

[soft fossil]

I feel like it's borderline at times, especially with the god of avarice and qianye fights. But it's attempting to stay wuxia

They had whole domains lol

Or avarice with his dharma body

[void quail]

tianying went ras al ghul lol

[placid iris]

The trailers? It shows Jiang Yan facing off against Li Zuo while holding the baby MC. There's also some info I got from CN players though I'm unsure if this is speculations on their part or if it's confirmed. Allegedly, ||the MC also has the immortality gu in their body and the jade they were holding was suppressing it||

[placid iris]

Yeah I would call it Wuxia with a spice of Xianxia but WWM definitely wont' go full Xianxia with the whole ascension thing.

[void quail]

what's a gu?

[placid iris]

It's hinted at in Gleaming Abyss...

[steady leaf]

I have no idea in regards to CN but in gleaming abyss the Void king did see Li Zuo in us

[void quail]

I need to watch that cutscene again coz I forgot 😂

[placid iris]

The lore of Gleaming Abyss is that, ||a long time ago, there was a figure known as an Immortal, though I can’t remember their exact title. They were able to live for an extremely long time thanks to a special parasite that allowed its host to extend their lifespan. The downside, however, was that the parasite also dampened the host’s emotions, slowly turning them cold and empty inside.||

||Sun Buqi became fascinated by this phenomenon and began experimenting on Liu Qingyi(?), who eventually went mad and wanted to die. Later on, Li Zuo also discovered the existence of the parasite and decided that the only way to end suffering was to make everyone immortal.||

[timber nebula]

Spice of xanxia for sure some fights are xanxia level

[placid iris]

Tbf making a game with a very grounded wuxia battles is hard

Not enough flairs and explosions

[timber nebula]

It's honestly pulling it's punches

[void quail]

ah thank you, that whole dungeon confused me, the whole time I was under the impression that one of the ghostly figure is the deer deity or something (and my mind was trying to connect them to the madness disease the town was afflicted with) especially after we saw two person literally transformed into stone statues(?)

[timber nebula]

Like how we always knew how to do the dragon head but wasn't strong enough to figure it out yet

[placid iris]

The immortal deer deity is Liu Qingyi, who wore a mask and went outside to help the villagers.

[lusty atlas]

anybody have any idea how to trigger "a study in slacking"?

[void quail]

was the town madness disease her doing?

[placid iris]

No that's Sun Buqi I think.

[void quail]

what about the two villagers who transformed to stone statues (the entrance of the dungeon)
is that like magic or something?

[placid iris]

You can only successfully become a host if your body has been conditioned by poison or something similar, which makes it very difficult to become infected. Liu Qingyi had a special physique that made the experiment successful, and Sun Buqi wanted to recreate that result by slowly poisoning the villagers. The so-called “longevity fruit” was actually a lie that Sun Buqi created to carry out the poisoning.

[void quail]

that is the same poison that turn people into dream puppet yes?

[placid iris]

Not sure but yeah the dream puppet and Dawn to Dusk poison are also Sun Buqi's work

[void quail]

which one is dawn to dusk poison? the gleaming abyss one?

[placid iris]

The misty area in Kaifeng, but you also encounter zombies in the Gleaming Abyss

[void quail]

ah I haven't got that far in kaifeng

[acoustic bridge]

so i just did the Twisted Fate sidequest and i have no idea what just happened. Kind of the gist but not rlly the finer details. Jiang was adopted by some general, stuff happens, he's involved with the general who died....twice? And now some guy who looked up to the general is trying to hunt Jiang but is misinterpreting the situation because it was kept secret or something

[placid iris]

Jiang Yan is the son of a high-ranking member of the Well of Heaven, who was once an old friend of Wang Qing. When the old friend died while trying to help Wang Qing, Wang Qing adopted Jiang Yan.

Years later, a war broke out against the Khitans. During a particularly dire moment, He Ran went to deliver a box that he believed could help win the war. However, inside the box was actually poison that would turn a person into a dream puppet/zombie. Wang Qing was hit with it, and Jiang Yan had no choice but to kill him. That is why Wang Qing “died” twice.

The Aurate Pavilion then spread false news claiming that Jiang Yan had killed Wang Qing. That is why Jiang Yan is being hunted.

[vital kraken]

Sun is the guy inside the cave with the woman?

[placid iris]

No that's Li Zuo

[vital kraken]

Hows Li Zuo fitting into all this , iirc he turned evil

[placid iris]

He's the main villain. His discovery of the immortality gu makes him obsessed with turning everyone immortal and creating an eternal dynasty

[acoustic bridge]

alright that feels like amore comprehensible line of events. I feel like the whole zombie poison thing wasnt clear. I knew it was poison but i dont remember reading that detail

[vital kraken]

You mean he's the guy with those flying bugs?

[placid iris]

The guy with white hair yeah

[jaunty coyote]

i appreciate that he is just wuxia miraculous ladybug

[placid iris]

No he's Hawkmoth

[jaunty coyote]

wait another miraculous fan?

[jaunty coyote]

you think hes gonna turn out to be our evil dad ? 😂

[placid iris]

Possibly?

And maybe this whole thing is a battle for custody of the MC between Jiang Yan and Li Zuo.

[limpid rose]

Idk about that one lowkey

[jaunty coyote]

he aint my real dad 😭 he never paid child support

[blazing shale]

tell me all the story pls I don t know all

[limpid rose]

If he was actually the mcs father it wouldn’t really do anything for us and li zuo

he aint really the guy out here going for a custody battle either

[limpid rose]

our life has been in danger due to this man schemes

[jaunty coyote]

thats just the average wuxia father

its like shonen dads, always putting you in danger

[limpid rose]

This is more than putting us in danger 😭

Also let’s say we are his son

[placid iris]

I thought this wild theory is based on the bombastic info I got from CN players about how the MC ||has the Immortality Gu and that the Jade is suppressing it. So I’m wondering whether we’re related to Li Zuo, though it’s also possible we’re just a random kid he picked up to experiment on with the Immortality Gu. Again, just a theory. Take it with a sea-worth of salt.||

[limpid rose]

it wouldn’t really do much

Having the Zhenguan Jade means we’re hail from a lineage of some power and backing

[placid iris]

Competing with Gendo Ikari to become the worst dad in history

[limpid rose]

so we can say that we aren’t some bum in the Qinghe streets

[blazing shale]

ruby is dead? or not

[placid iris]

Dead

[jaunty coyote]

hmm interesting, why would uncle jiang want it back tho?

[blazing shale]

are u sure?

[jaunty coyote]

🤝 ging freecs

[placid iris]

Dunno. We don't have enough info yet

[limpid rose]

She got pinned down by arrows she aint surviving this one

[blazing shale]

maybe its just his outfit

[placid iris]

Yes unless there's a cutscene showing her alive. I always assume a character is dead with that kind of portrayal.

[jaunty coyote]

we see her in heaven's pier heaven so yeah...

[blazing shale]

yh maybe

[limpid rose]

There isn’t alot of ways she can survive tbh

Like she can’t really go anywhere she is just a little kid

[blazing shale]

mhhh

[jaunty coyote]

tbh it would make sense why we would be stolen at the beginning, but mostly we are just meming because in miraculous ladybug the villain who uses bugs to turn people evil is the main character's dad

[limpid rose]

Yeah but I’m wondering why would we be taken away 😭

[placid iris]

I mean the trailers show Jiang Yan facing off against Li Zuo with MC in his arms.

[jaunty coyote]

custody battle fr

[placid iris]

with swords

[limpid rose]

There is also the theory of us being the biological son of uncle jiang’s adoptive father

Whoever it is gotta be someone renowned anyways

[jaunty coyote]

i mean it would make sense li zuo would want their heir back and we are so hidden, gotta establish a dynasty somehow

[limpid rose]

There is one big problem with that too

[placid iris]

Yeah that's another popular theory that MC is Wang Qing's kid

[limpid rose]

I don’t think Li Zuo would want a heir

His goals and motivations would not include a baby

[placid iris]

Maybe he just used MC for experiment :v

[jaunty coyote]

is wang qing prominent enough to have people fighting over us tho?

[limpid rose]

He wants an eternal dynasty so I don’t think he would want a son

[placid iris]

Very. He's super popular.

[limpid rose]

Infact I think he is the kind of guy to kill his heirs

[jaunty coyote]

he's popular but he isn't emperor lvl no? man's just a popular general

like he doesnt have dynastic/kingdom claims

[placid iris]

In Jianghu I would argue that maybe he's even at Chai Rong's level. Since he gathers tons of martial artists to establish Northern Vow.

[limpid rose]

The Zhenguan Jade isn’t that renowned where only kings can have claim to it

[placid iris]

the Zhenguan Jade isn't imperial jade

[limpid rose]

A general’s child could have owned it

[jaunty coyote]

aight but once they had the jade there was no point in keeping our identity secret then? I assumed the jade was one part (proving who we are) but the important thing is us

[limpid rose]

it’s evidence that’s ties us to our family yeah

[jaunty coyote]

and I can't find how us being wang qing's kid could be used by anyone other than being like 'oh thats cool'

[limpid rose]

take it away and we have 0 documentation and evidence

[placid iris]

I think the jade is more important lol since those people who hunted Jiang Yan mentioned the Jade and not MC.

[jaunty coyote]

i assumed people didn't know we are alive only that the jade is out there, but like 'we are the jade' kinda thing

otherwise why keep it with a baby

[placid iris]

Eh idk such is the struggle of making theories. We have too little info atm.

[limpid rose]

Being Wan Qings son makes more sense than Li Zuo’s to me

[placid iris]

Doesn't explain why the Void King mistook MC as Li Zuo though so there has to be connection between them.

[limpid rose]

Unless we find out we have a special physique that completes Li Zuo's goal

[jaunty coyote]

or it could be the other way around like Li Zuo wants us dead thats why he's trying to find us

[limpid rose]

Maybe we are a c section baby somehow harvest by Qinyi but that sounds crazy

[jaunty coyote]

Uncle Jiang is like wtf you can't kill a baby

[paper rampart]

Maybe the jade is like Harry Potter scar. We gonna have voldemort.

Or lord of the ring? One jade to rule them all.

[jaunty coyote]

or maybe li zuo is actually dead and the guy is an imposter heheheheh

[paper rampart]

I keep forgetting li zuo. Who is he again

[jaunty coyote]

awful convenient man dodged his historical death

and then made a whole sect of imposters

[placid iris]

Emperor Ai. Last Emperor of the original Tang.

[lost condor]

to my understanding these bottle things are gourds that have gone through some process to turn them into bottles, so am I to believe this is a gigantic gourd that has undergone that process and just placed here?

[jaunty coyote]

main villain white hair

[paper rampart]

It was memorable to know chai rong but i can’t remember for the life of me on who is li zuo

[vague shoal]

It's just vibes

[placid iris]

White haired guy with insects.

[paper rampart]

Oic

[jaunty coyote]

i think the real li zuo is dead and the guy is an imposter and we are somehow proof of that

evidence? idk vibes

[paper rampart]

Wait last emperor of tang?

[lost condor]

does the insect dude appear in kaifeng? I don't remember him appearing anywhere during the campaign

[placid iris]

The current tang isn't the og tang. The og tang is long gone.

[jaunty coyote]

he is in the intro cutscene? I think

[placid iris]

In the prologue

[paper rampart]

If you say like that, li zuo is 35 years old now

[jaunty coyote]

yeah irl he was a child puppet emperor that was killed like in his teens. in game tho he is alive like 60 yrs later with white hair and an assassin group ....somehow

[placid iris]

He's older... iirc

[paper rampart]

How is he 60 yrs old when the year is 930

[jaunty coyote]

game is 962

[paper rampart]

Oh

[placid iris]

Still looks young and fresh though

[paper rampart]

Amazing game and its free btw guys

[jaunty coyote]

its all the aureate pavilion plastic surgery...that wuxia botox fr

[vague shoal]

He showed up in the intro, and 2 3 times after that in Qinghe, he didn't appear in Kaifeng. If u did glimming abyss then he's the guy in spirit form

[placid iris]

Btw does anyone know when we're gonna get some new stories? I'm dying here... don't tell me I gotta wait for 3 months?

[vague shoal]

Probably roaring sands soon, to wrap up kaifeng then the long wait for season 2

[jaunty coyote]

We still have the imperial city in Kaifeng that we can’t get into right

Or is that tied to a side quest

[placid iris]

Let me in!!! I wanna go in

[placid iris]

I'll clear roaring sands in a day fr

[jaunty coyote]

Going to go in to terrorize big and smol Zhao myself

[vague shoal]

Savor it when it comes, or the dead weeks are gonna feel like an eternity till season 2

[jaunty coyote]

This game is an exercise in self control from the gacha to the quest locking.

Maybe a month until roaring sands, a month for imperial city and then we get CNY event whatever it is and then new chapter?

[limpid rose]

in the meantime there gotta be better way to access these notes in my inventory

need a degree in investigative journalism the way how exposition is laid out

[quiet wigeon]

if this is really the case not gonna lie I'm pretty bummed out. If it takes that long my buddies are definitely gonna stop playing..

anyone have any idea about the settlement building thing? I imagine that feature is released on the next map expansion?

[paper rampart]

OH. I remember now. They killed the deer

[grim crag]

What exactly are immortals?

[paper rampart]

Infinite age

[jaunty coyote]

Can’t die to age

[vague shoal]

Isnt lunar new years around febuarary anyway, that's when season 2 comes out too lol

[grim crag]

The name explains that much..how does one become immortal in that case? Like achieve a certain god level martial mastery?

[jaunty coyote]

Tho tbh in wuxia they just use it to refer to anyone who is powerful enough. Like how people call gaming pros ‘gods’ but they aren’t actually gods

[paper rampart]

A 🪱

[jaunty coyote]

Usually in these stories you have to specifically cultivate for it.

To actually be immortal

[vague shoal]

Immortals are kinda easier to understand if you read cultivation novels, they are cultivators who have achieved immortality and ascend to higher realm

[grim crag]

Wuxia murim manhwa and manhua have those right?

[vague shoal]

There are cultivations in Wuxia and murim but not to the point of immortality

[violet quarry]

🤯

[jaunty coyote]

Once in a while you get a ‘kinda’ like ye baiyi in that one danmei is immortal but only under very specific circumstances

(He can’t eat or drink mortal food or leave his mountain or he will start aging again)

[quiet wigeon]

I guess no one has the answer.. I've been trying to find out when I can finally build the next Blissful Retreat.... Everytime I ask about the settlement building everyone seems to ignore me entirely

[jaunty coyote]

Bro lasted 100 yrs before giving up and eating noodles

[jaunty coyote]

Can’t you just build on free land wherever you find it?

With F4

[quiet wigeon]

well.. I'm talking about the stuffs where we can hire workers, build beds for them, and make them produce stuffs

[jaunty coyote]

Oh yeah we don’t have that yet. Probably later update

[quiet wigeon]

I watched it on YT. CN server has that feature. So actually building working settlement

[jaunty coyote]

Tbh I think they will focus on getting mobile out first before their next big game update

And that’s dec 12

[quiet wigeon]

Yeah that sounds logical. I guess it's inevitable. Guess I'll take a short break and play again once they added next major feature

[thorn coral]

Qianye better start cleaning her neck, next time she show up I'll chop her neck

[blazing shale]

b

[placid iris]

Isn't there supposed to be a Lunar update and then another update?

[quiet wigeon]

I have a feeling it will be a long time yet until we meet her. Have to be a really proven jianghu to face the pillar of Aureate pavilion. Han Xiangxun and Yi Dao couldn't beat her.

[vague shoal]

They will probably do the new year event along with season 2 release

[paper rampart]

We have this and it’s called sim city

Different game

[quiet wigeon]

lol. Thanks for the recommendation? Try Cities Skylines tho. Sim City is obsolete

but yeah, I'm pretty hyped and gonna be spending hundreds of hours building my own Blissful Retreat once it comes out

[blazing shale]

b

c

[scarlet stone]

Everything is expansion gated, CN server had to sit through the same thing

[scarlet stone]

No, they already have it ready they just have schedule for the release dates like the lvl up, they already have mobile version ready, example is china already has mobile version

Everything is time gated

[quiet wigeon]

Of course, I'm aware of that. But are you saying they're making the update schedule linear? As in the updates will arrive the same exact way as CN server does? So international server will always be 12 months behind?

[placid iris]

Dunno some say it's gonna be faster others say it's not.

[scarlet stone]

More reliable thing we have is from the game itself, it’s been 10 days and 10 days again if it doesn’t go up then we can do a guess

But they haven’t lied about a single release for game release date, remember how the game takes like 100gb I’m assuming the content is already in the game but it’s not “out” since a release date

[jaunty coyote]

sure but it serves them well to drop features one at a time month or so, with time to figure out smaller things (bugs, patches, etc) in between instead of like 20 features all at once. its much better for marketing and follow ups too. It's not that they have to make it in the time frame lol but they do have to control their drops and updates

like the global release had so many bugs that they still have to update, and i am sure the mobile release will need a couple patches too before it can work fully, and it makes sense that they would get that all cleaned up to a reasonable amount before they move onto the next big mechanic/map update

[jaunty coyote]

some outfits got dropped faster but we are also missing some game mechanics right?

[blazing shale]

yes

[quiet wigeon]

dang the way they force us to rank up to send links and image is genius. But now we have bots/braindead people spamming chat in an attempt to rank up so they can post image and links.

[quiet wigeon]

Yeah you're probably right. We prolly shouldn't expect rapid updates at least on current stage. Still a lot of bugs and translation kerfuffles yet to fix

[blazing shale]

yh

[bronze vessel]

In CN server, has the young master found uncle jiang? Or is the story still developing

[placid iris]

I don't think so. In the latest area, Mohist Hill, ||the MC is said to be going to meet with Aunt Han.||

[mellow horizon]

Please use spoiler-tag

[placid iris]

I'm not even sure if it's confirmed though lmao

[mellow horizon]

||As the first quest already mentioned that YingYing has information about Aunt Han and she was close to reveal it, I would guess that we will get her information at the end of that region||

[grim crag]

Is big zhao ||really the emperor||, sounds too ridiculous for them to let ||such a prominent figure just roam the streets unattended|| also ||what happened to the minister that Lord Shi replaced/took face of?||

[quiet wigeon]

||Yes, he's the emperor|| . Cut them some slack, it's just a game lol. Also this is emperor we're talking about. No one is going to refuse if he really wants it, not like kings and presidents these days. ||His brother will be a jianghu wanderer in the future as well||. The minister ||is implied (or confirmed.. not sure) to be dead, probably by the Avarice himself||.

[grim crag]

Very poor reasoning "it's just a game lol" , I was merely giving reasonings as to why he couldnt be
You could just refute it by saying that it's confirmed from X source or the CN version
Is it?
And about ||his brother being a jinaghu wanderer in the future, isnt his brother the Kaifeng prefect that already appears? Is that guy going to be a jianghu wanderer?||

[quiet wigeon]

Chill out. You said it sounds too ridiculous, and I answered "it's just a game". Yeah if we're talking about real life ||ain't no way an emperor is going to be hanging about posing as commoner and hang out in poor quarters, but again, it's a game story||. ||and yes, that guy, the Kaifeng prefect and future emperor also pose as commoner, except he is a jianghu wanderer instead of standard commoner||

[grim crag]

... Why are you getting serious
I read alot of fiction, it's even on my bio
Him being on the streets and infiltrating the place without being recognized was still kinda ridiculous even on fiction bases until provided reasons/explanations as to why he's doing that or how he's getting away, it's natural for someone to be confused
China has SS tier writers that can rival any other writers alive so "it's just a game" being a reason for story being nonsensical does not make sense in this case, even more with how good WWM has been
Hope you understood what I was trying to say
And I see. But upon looking it up, I couldn't find any sources confirming that his ||prefect brother will become a jianghu wanderer, all I could find is that he remains that way|| Do give me a source if you have

[quiet wigeon]

What...? I'm not getting serious at all. I thought you were asking a question about the story and I just answered. I'm not trying to debate whether the story is ridiculous or not, and you're free to think if it is or isn't. I do not consider ||Big Zhao being an emperor|| to be a silly thing. I think it's fine, and it's something that happens a lot in wuxia where the emperor or high ranking officials are often shown to be incredibly skilled fighters.

As to the source of the second thing, it's apparently in CN server, I have no idea if it's just a preview or is already out. Or I could just be trolled, but from multiple conversation here it seems to be confirmed.

[grim crag]

||Big Zhao is probably disguising to watch over common peoples lives, eng ver doesn't have enough lore to guess other reasons iirc||
I tried to look this chat up for the second thing and couldn't find anything
I'm just gonna assume he's still a prefect as far as the CN story progressed

[quiet wigeon]

Thats fair. I definitely am using that rumor as it is. Not important for us to know the story earlier anyway. I got that sneak peak from someone conversing here with a screenshot and that's all. ||I agree with your assessment about Big Zhao. And I get the impression that he's judging the effect of his brother's coin policy through this disguise as well? That's the impression I got.||

[grim crag]

Huh did anyone ping me and delete it

[vague shoal]

I forgot to put spoiler lol

Have to write it again

||So I think big Zhao went undercover to check how the commoners fare under the tang coins confiscation policy. During the whole arc he was hesitating whether to continue the war or use that treasury to help the people||

[grim crag]

You could just tap edit and add || on both ends of the text yknow

[vague shoal]

||He used to be a general and knows martial arts too so even if he's undercover, he can definitely protect himself||

[mental ermine]

one of the greatest generals of his time

unlike his brother

[vague shoal]

Bro got his ahh kicked by the khitans feelsbadman

[full hill]

What about his brother

Is he someone significant

[vague shoal]

||google 2nd emperor of Song and u'll have your answer||

[blazing shale]

oof

[stiff hill]

I think the logic is quite simple. The reason Zhao Da wouldn’t be recognized might be based on the following points:

1. Those who knew him held important positions throughout the dynasty and were unlikely to appear in slum areas.
2. Historically, Zhao Da is said to have had roughly 11 sworn brothers who assisted him in becoming emperor. Being closely related to him, even if they saw him dressed as a commoner, they would choose to play along with his pretense—for example, Shi Shouxin, Mr. Pu, and others.
3. As far as I know, some emperors in Chinese history enjoyed dressing up as commoners to step outside the palace. This allowed them to understand the real lives of the people while also relaxing and having fun, free from too many power struggles and constraints.
4. Usually, after an emperor’s death, his heir is often his son. However, after the founding of the Song Dynasty, it was rare for a younger brother to inherit the throne. Thus, there are rumors that Zhao Da was murdered by his brother, which gave rise to the allusion "Candle Shadow and Axe Sound" (Zhu Ying Deng Sheng).

[bronze vessel]

Okay thanks! Good to know the game hasnt ended in CN yet lol

[ebon surge]

Does anyone know a good video where to start with understanding the story? I'm kinda lost playing and watching the cutscenes 😅

[green wyvern]

The emperor in disguise is such a famous Chinese cliche honestly also princes

[normal dragon]

so, I did the gleaming abyss storyline, and I did the lost prayers storyline— I read somewhere that there was more to this whole plot. is that true?

[dire acorn]

Yes, it connects to Tian Ying + Moon Goddess, Last Emperor, Wraith Village
Theres a lot more to the lore thats scattered around
I'd be happy to explain it briefly if you don't mind spoilers potentially

[olive nebula]

About Tian YIng: ||where does it say that tian ying isn't dead btw? In the cutscene after we beat him, he sinks to the bottom of the lake after being slashed+crushed by a giant rock...||

[foggy tiger]

There're cutscenes after that but u have to find his hut

[olive nebula]

Thanks a lot!

I'll be looking

[normal dragon]

while I'd love to learn like this— if there is a quest, left I'd prefer doing that, because I've already done palace of annalsa and the buddha cave story line, albeit not the moon goddess one.

[thorn coral]

I think void king is the only campaign boss who got killed right?

[foggy tiger]

Really? U mean qianye didn't die? That bicch..

[thorn coral]

*side story campaign

[dire acorn]

Theres no explicit questline, its all over the place and a lot of connecting the dots
The game avoids using actual character names a lot, just titles and vague descriptions, so its hard to come to a conclusion about many things from quests alone

[normal dragon]

ah, I'd love to hear it then

[olive nebula]

tbf, someone was saying she did not die

[foggy tiger]

Ok so we can get a cutscene strangling her to death with my red wristband

[void quail]

is Harvestfall Village a huge extended family with everyone having the same Yan surname?

[olive nebula]

idk, it's hard to find proper information sadly. To me it felt like the sacrifice of killerblade was a good enough closure for that whole thread

but who knows

[floral shale]

Hi, can anyone explain to me about what happened in lost quest blind to the world? What was the lore and story? I skimmed through some part so I didn’t properly understood the story

[void quail]

oh it's a very long read

it's part of Tian Ying's backstory, so before looking it up, you might want to do other quests to fill in the blanks

[alpine path]

That is the final bit of the story when you unlock all dark bits, it is not going to be just found otherwise

[dire acorn]

Gleaming Abyss Campaign story
||The Gleaming Abyss was incredibly poisonous 200 years ago due to some bugs. A Granny turned the Toad King Immortal Worm, capable of granting immortality, into a person who was capable of curing the poison from the insects. He wore a deer mask and was known as the Immortal of Eternal Life. The Immortals name was Ba Wu. Later on, in a war, Gleaming Abyss collapsed and trapped Ba Wu and Gran inside the place, so Ba Wu used immortality worms to keep everyone inside alive. (Gleaming Abyss was also once a prosperous village). Ba Wu would later on remove the Immortality Worms from the villagers, as immortality would cause you to lose all emotion.
(Deer Immortal/Deer Village storyline)
Fast forward to 30 years before the main story, a guy called Sun Buqi found out about these Immortal Worms. Sun Buqi was also under orders to poison the current emperor at the time, Emperor Ai of the end of the Tang dynasty. (Before Zhao became the Song emperor).
Li Zuo, aka Emperor Ai aka Last Emperor aka Aureate Pavilion leader aka the guy who gives people evil butterflies aka the guy whos making people into puppets, was in hiding. Liu Qingyi disguises herself as Li Zuo, drinks the poison, but survives.
Sun Buqi takes her to Gleaming Abyss and uses her to run tests using the Immortality Worms. She was made into a host for the worms after being repeatedly poisoned, and Sun also used her to lure in nearby villagers as additional test subjects. These test subjects were eventually made into Dream Puppets.
By now, Liu Qingyi was immortal, but her emotions were sealed away and she wanted to die. So Sun Buqi finally gains a little conscience, realizes it was wrong, and leaves Gleaming Abyss, leaving Liu Qingyi behind. Liu Qingyi would then raise Wu Xiang Huang, aka The Void King, who was orphaned inside Gleaming Abyss. After returning from hiding 12 years later, Li Zuo finds Liu Qingyi in Gleaming Abyss. Soon after, she kills herself. PT2 explains why||

theres a part 2 about wraith village

very important to current state of affairs

[alpine path]

I think it is based on ch game update incoming that features her

[gentle thistle]

bdw ruby is still alive

[floral shale]

Where do I look it up tho?

[vague shoal]

It's one of the pinned post in this channel

[void quail]

I've seen at least 3 youtube videos that talks about Tian Ying's backstory (including the blind lady part)

but tldr ||in his childhood, Tian Ying saved the lady from an arranged wedding in a village and gave her a knife to fight for herself. She later trained herself to become an assassin, eventually became a famous assassin and reunited again with Tian Ying, who's on a mission to ensure the Khitan envoy (a whole story about this) made it to Southern Tang.

He asked her a favor to kill off Jianghu wanderers who want to kill the envoy, but by doing so, she betrayed the country. TO repay her, Tian Ying promised to give her new eyes (which is why he sent for Uncle Tian to visit her)
Eventually because of her notoriety, a friend of her built her the temple that you explored as her hideout.

When she meet again with Tian Ying, she also promised to come with him to the Southern Tang territory to kill the Khitan envoy together.

However, sometime after this, the friend who built her hideout discoevered the fact that she is theeee asssassin who's been killing the local folks, and in turn, he leaked the blueprint of her hideout to the other wanderers who sought revenge. So that's why there's so many dead bodies in her hideout. Eventually, she succumbed to her wounds.||

that is a very abridged version 😂

[dire acorn]

Wraith Village storyline (Gleaming Abyss Pt2 + Tian Ying/Moon Goddess)
||Located next to Gleaming Abyss, it was poisoned as well by the immortality experimentations there, with their water source being affected. This caused the villagers to go mad and violent, and in the end, all of them died from going mad and killing each other, save for the three deer mutated villagers you find there. Liu Qingyi passed by this village curing people before, wearing a Deer mask like Ba Wu, and became known by the people there as the Deer Immortal.
This is where Tian Ying meets the Moon Goddess, who was being sold as a "mad" bride, and was requested by the village chief to search for Deer Immortal 3 times, but he couldn't find her. (The people of wraith village believed that marrying to brides from outside could cure their insanity). Instead, he discovered the Ying Yang reversal technique from an Elder Wei, which could temporarily stop the disease from further developing, but it turns out there was no true cure.
When the village descended into ruins, Li Zuo turned Wraith village into his experiment site for Dream Puppet and immortality experiments, this occuring after Liu Qingyi dies. He took The Void King with him for a bit, before sending him back to guard Liu Qingyis resting place.
(When Uncle Jiang was escaping with us, he fought The Void King and won. Then, we fought the Void King and finished him off for good, and he recognized us as being similar to Uncle Jiang. When he sees Li Zuo, its not that he sees Li Zuo in us, but rather imagines the disappointment at having lost again)
Now, in the present storyline, Li Zuo is full of resentment towards the Jianghu in general because they pushed for Liu Qingyi to end herself as well, following her public apology in her moment of sanity. He wants to create an utopia using his Dream Puppets and bring the Jianghu under his control. Hence why hes the main storyline villain.||

[north verge]

I will kill for Zheng Ran, my sheilaaaaa

[dire acorn]

My current character relationship tree. Any characters not here are not here because I reached the character cap

[normal dragon]

Ah. That makes sense. It also clears up a lot of things.

[vague shoal]

Is the void king adopted or biological

[dire acorn]

Im glad it does, more people should tune in to the amazing details of the WWM story

[dire acorn]

He was orphaned inside of Gleaming Abyss (formerely the village known as Yingyuan). Adoptive son I suppose of Liu Qingyi, Li Zuos lover, but Li Zuo treats him like a servant.

Li Zuo is a bad father but hey maybe things would be different if Liu Qingyi was alive

[vague shoal]

Nice relationship chart though

[foggy tiger]

I forgot where to find this. This is only for your own reference right?

[dire acorn]

yes. its in Journal > World > Research

Uncle Jiang is less Uncle Jiang and more Older Brother Jiang 🧐

[vague shoal]

Tho I don't think we r wang qing's kid

[dire acorn]

Its not confirmed, but there is evidence from CN side I believe

[vague shoal]

Ngl it would be a pretty weak reveal if that's true

[limpid rose]

tbh there is some setup to it

[dire acorn]

How so? If you piece together Wang Qings death, Jiang Yans exile, and the cutscene at the start of the game where Jiang Yan is fleeing, it makes sense for the MC/the baby to be Wang Qings child
Jiang Wulang did not directly betray Wang Qing, but his actions led to consequences, one of which ended up being the battle where Wang Qing died, and he realized this most likely. So he was probably asked by Wang Qing to take us (his son) and flee.

[vague shoal]

Well Wang Qing isnt really relevant to the current story anymore so it would be pretty weak if we were his kid, which adds nothing to the story

[green wyvern]

Your right way to weak of a reveal obviously we are the reincarnation of the alcoholic immortal doomed to forever reincarnate as the town drunk at age 16

[dire acorn]

your right, MC should actually be Jiang Yan and Chen Zixis kid. I'm sure theres some wack male pregnancy pill in the Jianghu that let this happen.

[alpine path]

What about ||Void King seeing Li Zuo in us before his end?||

[foggy tiger]

It could be. But why did he then take our jade pendant? It has to mean something. And if it's just has to do with mc father who is just a mere general, it less than exciting story material

[limpid rose]

mere general 😭

[dire acorn]

He didnt see Li Zuo in us. He saw Uncle Jiang. He saw Li Zuo because thats his master, and after he lost to Uncle Jiang, he saw that his master was disappointed. So when he lost to us, he imagined his masters disappointment again

[dire acorn]

Mere general? Wang Qing? He has so much aura bro

Wang Qing taught Uncle Jiang everything he knows, donated to the homeless, saved kids, etc etc

[foggy tiger]

How do u do story building with aura man.. It has to have some oomph to it than just aura

[limpid rose]

Honestly I'm more inclined to say the pendant had to be taken away because it ties us being Wang Qings son

[dire acorn]

Well his feats are hidden in various pieces of lore, not in the main quest

[green wyvern]

And drinking

[alpine path]

Does anyone know if there is a future connection between the longevity tree/fruits and all those immortality insects. Like, the tree so far looks like coming out of nowhere. Where that belief it is doing anything is even coming from and somehow deer related ?..

[limpid rose]

There isn't really alot of candidates that could be our dad

[foggy tiger]

Yea but why? It's not like Wang qing had such bitter enemies they want to ensure his bloodline dies. Wang Qing also never raised any rebellion or was in line to any throne that needs his offspring to die. So why take the pendant

[vague shoal]

A reveal is only good if it adds sthing to the current story, Wang qing's story is already over so I can't really see it. We'll see though

[dire acorn]

Father, Uncle, and adoptive son all take after one another. Alcoholics

[shell tiger]

Cutscene hit so hard the game crashed

[foggy tiger]

I'm not against mc being Wang qing kid. But the story has to have some value so the jade can have some importance

[shell tiger]

Boss was about to bonk me

[vague shoal]

Lol that timing

[dire acorn]

Wang Qing literally has the best drip marketing man

[shell tiger]

Ye after that you can see the clouds of Jianghu loading 💀

[dire acorn]

Insane aura

[vague shoal]

But it's all in the past

His story is already over, unless devs is still cooking sthing

[dire acorn]

Not if MC is his child lol, we inherit the aura

[limpid rose]

Idk narratively it becomes an avenging story

[vague shoal]

Idk we just an alcoholic kid who keeps getting drugged, not much aura

[limpid rose]

We got our home friends and family stolen by Li Zuo

I wouldn't say it's all in the past

his death very much affected those around him

[vague shoal]

Li Zuo is already on the list even without us being wang qing's son, so...

[dire acorn]

well, why would they make a whole trailer for Wang Qing if hes irrelevant to the story now as you've said?

[limpid rose]

Yeah but this still means his story wouldn't end though

[dire acorn]

what do you mean

[limpid rose]

his goals live on through his son

[vague shoal]

If the trailer is new then I guess they are still cooking, since wang qing is a fictional character writers can do anything I guess

[limpid rose]

game loves bringing up the 16 prefectures

[dire acorn]

yea, which is why its speculated that we are his son

[limpid rose]

reclaiming it while being a general's son would be pretty cool

but then again like I said we don't really have alot of options

[vague shoal]

But is that trailer recent though

[limpid rose]

atp it might just be our mother that is important

[vague shoal]

Trailer says he's 53 when he died at the zhongdu bridge, that's a bit old to sire a new kid but that's just me

[limpid rose]

for starters it's not like the sperm doesn't work anymore 😭

[vague shoal]

Well I'm not really convinced, this trailer is before the game was released I think

So not new content for general wang qing

[dire acorn]

y does that matter tho

[vague shoal]

To me his story has already ended in qing he

And I don't think writers would make wang qing our dad if it adds nothing to the story

[blazing shale]

mhhh

[dire acorn]

Wang Qing is based on the real general Wang Qing, one of the four great generals of the Qin dynasty

[vague shoal]

Bro do you know how old the Qin dynasty is lol

[dire acorn]

Thats why I said based on

[vague shoal]

And he's still fictional if he's based on a general that lived thousands of years ago

[limpid rose]

I'm just more inclined to believe Wang Qing over Li Zuo

[dire acorn]

I didnt say he wasnt, just that he has elements of the real guy. Based on =/= =

[mellow horizon]

If anyone here does have a helpful message/explantion which I should pin, please let me know

So it's easier for other people to find specific lore-explanations

[mint spade]

Lol no, Wang Qing is just a no name general in history who got murked by the Khitans trying to take back the region. He's just super glazed in this story because he's a big name to the people of this time period who held hopes of taking back their lands and defending their homeland against the Khitans.

[vague shoal]

I know, but my point is he's still a fictional character at the end of the day like uncle jiang

[dire acorn]

I do have one on Gleaming Abyss + Wraith Village questlines, but theres quite a few colloquial terms and simplifications..others can decide

[dire acorn]

He didnt die to Khitans, he died to Li Zuos Dream Puppets (they ambushed his fight with the Khitans)

[mellow horizon]

let me look

Otherwise I can pin it here

[mint spade]

There's no element of Qin dynasty Wang Qing in him, totally different people, totally different era, and the Qin general is named Wang Jian, not Qing.

[vague shoal]

He would have perished with his army either way, according to the game it was a hopeless battle

[mellow horizon]

Could you adjust your message by giving a short title to your message which is not within the spoiler-tag

[dire acorn]

because they got ambushed, no?
why would Li Zuo deploy his puppets to finish Wang Qing if the Khitans could do it?

[vague shoal]

They were waiting for reinforcements that would never come, not ambushed

So what I think happened was he made a deal with Li Zuo to become a zombie to hold the line longer, my 2 cents

Sent uncle jiang away too cause he knew that battle was a lost cause

But jiang found out about the plan, came back to the battlefield and put an end to wang qing in his rampage zombie state

[dire acorn]

adjusted

[dire acorn]

no, thats made up

[vague shoal]

Idk it's according to the game

I'm 100% sure that Wang Qing knew that battle was hopeless

Hence the reason why he tricked Jiang to make him leave

[dire acorn]

no he didnt die in battle

[mellow horizon]

The fight was hopeless after they realized that they are not getting the promised reinforcement

[vague shoal]

He would have died either way even without the bug

[mellow horizon]

He Ran also mentioned that he thought that he is transporting a very important item which might save the fight

[dire acorn]

||During the fighting near Zhongdu Bridge, the Later Jin forces were pinned down by Khitan troops. Wang Qing, broke the stalemate by taking a small detachment and seizing the bridge himself. His success should have opened the way for the main army, but the commanding general hesitated, leaving Wang Qing exposed.
At that moment, an envoy from the Embroidery Gold Tower (Aureate) delivered an ornate container to the army’s scouts, claiming it held a mechanism capable of reversing the battle. He Ran believed them, taking the box back to Wang Qing. Wang Qing, who understood what the container truly contained, sent He Ran and Jiang Yan away under the pretext of safety.
The two scouts sensed danger and doubled back. Jiang Yan reached Wang Qing first and discovered that he had already been turned into a Dream Puppet. With no way to save him, Jiang Yan was forced to destroy the creature Wang Qing had become. He Ran arrived moments later, misread the scene, and believed Jiang Yan had betrayed their commander. This explains why Wang Qing died twice.||

[mellow horizon]

Don't know if the theories are still active, but back then there were some ideas that the guy, who gave He Ran the item, was working for the villian

[dire acorn]

He was part of the pavilion

[vague shoal]

If read carefully even Wang Qing knew after taking the bridge, he was cooked because no reinforcements were coming

[limpid rose]

Idk about whether or not if Wang Qing genuinely had feats all I can say is that we gotta be some baby of importance around Zhongdu bridge

[mellow horizon]

From my understanding, I also read that Wang Qing basically knew that he will 100% die, after the reinforcement's didn't arrive
It's been a while since I read the theory about how exactly might gave He Ran the box

[vague shoal]

And the box saving the battle isnt exactly wrong, Wang Qing becoming a rampaging zombie would have maybe turn the tides

[dire acorn]

After taking the bridge, they were still surrounded by Khitan, so yes they would probably have died. Hence why He Ran even accepted the strange box, thinking it would turn the tide of battle

[dire acorn]

Not really because he'd be helping the Khitans by killing the Jin

[vague shoal]

Well if I was gonna die anyway, I'd swallow that zombie pill and take down as many enemies as I could with me

[mellow horizon]

Presumably because he would rather die by his side than miss the chance

[vague shoal]

You should pin his relationship chart too, it's very good

[alpine path]

To me that post read as personal interpretation of the story and not actual factual lore, especially the 1st part of it I think have inconsistencies with the stories presented in the game
Not against the pin, but it is not like this is the source for understanding which it might start to look like if pinned

[mellow horizon]

I can re-read it later today so confirm it with my sources

Thanks for the reminder

[vague shoal]

I think the only thing I disagree with is not that the jianghu people forced her to die, she herself wanted to end her life because she hated being an immortal

[dire acorn]

Liu Qingyi Gleaming Abyss spoilers
||She was pressured into taking her life, as she was seen as an abomination of the immortality experiments that ended up poisoning Wraith village. as well as luring innocent villagers into Gleaming Abyss to become Dream Puppets. People didnt know and would be hard to convince that she was actually forced into doing so.
This happened in the year 936, after she left Gleaming Abyss to go apologize to the world.||

[limpid rose]

thinking about it even if it's unlikely we are Wang Qing's son we should still somehow tie to Wang Qing still

The jade kinda came from the man

[vague shoal]

Or Wang Qing knew our parents

[vague shoal]

Damn I didn't know she went outside to seek forgiveness

[mellow horizon]

In that context, for my chinese-players;
Please be sure to not spoil anything

Or use the spoiler-tag and make sure to give a hint abt what the message is about

[dire acorn]

Liu Qingyi spoilers
||She did after she momentarily regained her sanity from Shuiyues help, after reuniting with Li Zuo||

[vague shoal]

Im amazed you found that piece of info, I only knew she was back to normal a bit after reuniting with li zuo

[limpid rose]

that too

Imeant that btw as in we still have connections to Wang Qing

[dire acorn]

I think if you (eventually) finish all the encounters, wandering tales, dark surges, etc, you'll find out a lot more
Disclaimer that I have not finished all of these myself

[vague shoal]

Oh right, the wandering tales, I'm only at 40%

I finished most encoutners

[limpid rose]

Oh wait we now know for sure (at least alot) of our origin

I mean unless that young son is someone else

[vague shoal]

That young son is our uncle

[limpid rose]

ohh

Now Jiang's story does make more sense considering Wang Qing sees Yuan in him

[dire acorn]

I highly recommend Twisted Destiny encounter if you havent done it already. Its beautifully voice acted, animated, and done, and gives you the truth of Wang Qing, He Ran, and Jiang Yans past

[limpid rose]

oh well guess we gotta wait for sure

[vague shoal]

I've done it actually, it's hard not to miss that one lol

[mellow horizon]

The last animation is really well done in Twisted Destiny

And it also includes some minor changes/easter eggs which are very interesting

Hint: Wang Qing's beard

[vague shoal]

The guy literally stacked heads in front of our hut

Back then that quest confused the hell out of me because I didn't know what was in the damn box

[mellow horizon]

Luckily I had some friends who helped me out

[dire acorn]

Twisted Destiny end spoilers

[mellow horizon]

It was hella confusing to play the game when you can't even understand the language xD

[dire acorn]

But the art in this is amazing, He Rans voice acting too

[vague shoal]

Please open Roaring sands, need more PLOT

[dire acorn]

In the global version as well, many translations lack the impact of the original meanings, and a lot of funny puns and character name jokes are in pinyin which takes away from enjoyment
A particular NPC stuck on a roof is called Xia Bulai, which directly translates to "cant get down" which is hilarious

[mellow horizon]

Ye, I also thought that

I found some translation-issues within that quest

and I personally dont really like the English Voice Actor for He Ran

[dire acorn]

many vendors, like the noodle ones, are called "noodle" as well

[mellow horizon]

The chinese one is amazing however

[distant valve]

ahaha yeah

[dire acorn]

Havent tried English at all, it doesnt feel right hearing English with the characters appearances

[vague shoal]

I don't mind if they are good, but they aren't

[mellow horizon]

ye...

I also didn't like the translation for the Zhang E Quest

Especially the german translation is very off and it's hella confusing to actually understand the story

I already had 3 ppl asking me for a summary xD

[limpid rose]

The moment the english southern accent appeared in Kaifeng it's kinda hard to take it seriously

[green wyvern]

Can’t speak for the German translation but I doubt it’s any better than the English one is sometimes

[dire acorn]

I dont have any summary for Zheng E yet because I havent played his quest, but from background knowledge of Kaifeng ||Him, Muruong, Ember of East, that grain dude, banded together for a shared purpose because of past revenge plans, and hes pretending to be someone right now||

[vague shoal]

You're spot on

[green wyvern]

First thing I did was change to Chinese still need to redo the beginning cutscene in Chinese dub

[dire acorn]

Yao Yaoyao, if translating just the Yao, means "Medicine, MedicineMedicine" 😭🙏

Depending on the tone of each Yao, could also mean "need medicine"

[storm crow]

I missed a lot of puns without knowing 😭

[short stone]

The downside of not knowing enough chinese vocab(meanings) 🙈

[weak abyss]

i wonder what **** **** means

[versed marsh]

akshually if i remember correctly she's called 姚药药 so yeah she's called yao medecinemedecine
last name yao is one of rare ones that has a female radicale, because the family name has a very old history and some historians thinks that it steams from a time where it was a matriarcal society

[dire acorn]

I thought the Yao family name was quite common

theres Yao Ming

https://tenor.com/view/changing-rage-face-meme-yao-ming-laugh-gif-14319479

[low sonnet]

is there a lore reason for the geese to be so strong?

[versed marsh]

it's common, but having a female radical in the character is rare

[versed marsh]

idk every single chinese kid was bitten by a goose

[storm crow]

Would like to know too 😂

[versed marsh]

there was a goose in the public parc in my city here in france, and i was chased by it

[dire acorn]

devs like geese
(I dont know if this is the actual reason, just a personal experience. But my mom used to say that she was terrified of the geese she had to feed and let out back when she was a child, and she grew up in countryside China, and China was mostly countryside back then. So could just be a universal experience of China in the past where people raising geese were being terrorized by them)

[versed marsh]

went for the first itme in china in the rural area, and ofc i was almost bitten by a goose

and i remember people laughing saying that my childhood is complete bc i have now the fear of geese

[dire acorn]

Back when I lived there I'd get chased by the geese if I was holding food too and it was pretty intimidating as a kid

[versed marsh]

i didn't know it wasnt a universal experience amongst kids around the world lol

[dire acorn]

i think its a universal experience when encountering geese in general

https://tenor.com/view/goose-attack-gif-26985079

[limpid rose]

ever had to go against a geese?

[versed marsh]

idk i was born in france and the geese were nice with other kids

but not with me, had to chase me for no reason

[versed marsh]

they are indeed terrifying

[limpid rose]

geese is just apparently more comedic I guess

[versed marsh]

also yes

[limpid rose]

personally the dogs in the game are funnier looking

0 effort on the dogs

[dire acorn]

nooo theyre so cute wym

at least dogs vary in species

[versed marsh]

i dont remember the dogs just remmeber a very skinny one in kaifeng being ugly af

[dire acorn]

cats are just the same cat model with a different skin

just look at the horskies

[versed marsh]

want them

[blazing shale]

eat

[versed marsh]

tf

[formal robin]

From the end of the Qianghe Dark Surges Cutscene, who is it implied ||Tian Ying ||is disguising himself as in the purple robes?

[heady sigil]

Yes.

[split widget]

Is tian yang super late into story?

[dire acorn]

He’s the prequel to the MCs story
You fight him upon completion of all 9 Qinghe campaigns

[split widget]

9???? Isnt there one? Then kaifang....

[dire acorn]

No, campaigns are not the actual story area. It’s the background story

Every map location in Qinghe is significant, and many are significant to Tian Yings story

[split widget]

How to access?? Im lost... is it super long tho?

[dire acorn]

You have to complete the 9 campaigns in Qinghe, can be seen through Journal > Qinghe area > Campaign

[split widget]

Oh

Its like story? Or exploration?

[dire acorn]

It’s the final “lost chapter” that you need 6000 Qinghe exploration for

[dire acorn]

Story

[split widget]

That must take AGES

[dire acorn]

Not really, most people have already beaten him I believe

[split widget]

Im like 40 ish hrs into th3 game and just found out about this lol

More like 25

But thx . Guess ive got a few more hrs of story in qinqhe then

[heady sigil]

Trust us, it is quicker than you think. Just explore, do stuff. Wander.

[split widget]

I like playing story

[dire acorn]

Don’t worry about being a completionist, each area has its own checklist of everything you can possibly do

[split widget]

I have NEVER 100%nt a game.... dont have the time 🙁

[dire acorn]

You’re in for a lot of fun then, WWM story wise is better than gameplay wise in my opinion

[snow harbor]

I enjoy wuxia storylines and this one is pretty solid. I enjoy the side storylines a lot as well

[crystal lion]

It is
Albeit translation is dodo

[dire acorn]

[lusty idol]

Yeah the quests are really good👌🏽

[modest lily]

will aunt han become the MC love interest?

[drowsy adder]

woahhh

[foggy tiger]

It's ok if you're sick in the head. But u don't have to let everyone know

[plucky isle]

shes so bad

[heady sigil]

I love the unapoglectic ragebait. XD and, it worked, kekw.

[thorny timber]

Hi I’m curious about the guy that carried us when we were a baby, what happened to him?

[plucky isle]

i think we're trying to find him but ive been skipping all the story so idk

[tender badge]

Just so we're clear, we haven't met Li Zhongdui in game at the moment, right?

[nova chasm]

are there hints on who is the MC of kaifeng, like tian ying for qinghe?

[nova chasm]

he left 3 years ago, also if u focus on details you'll know he's the guy at the start of the game who takes your pendant(masked black swordsman)

[thorny timber]

I tried to pay attention to detail but like man I’m focused on so many other things at the same time, it’s amazing

[nova chasm]

yea it's fine , i think i only realized it after watching other play the game on yt

[uncut fractal]

Not all the campaigns, just Ye Wanshan and Lucky Seventeen campaigns are important

[uncut fractal]

Yeah, at first I thought it was another training session, then I saw that he took the jade from us, and then I realised that the [player] didn't know who he is and was a random attacker for him/her

[nova chasm]

any idea anyone:

are there hints on who is the MC of kaifeng, like tian ying for qinghe?

[uncut fractal]

Is the dark surge of Kaifeng not complete yet for anyone?

[nova chasm]

idk mine isn't fully finished yet

[uncut fractal]

Mine either
I haven't been in Kaifeng lately
I was there at first, completed the golden leaf, did the velvet side quest, Jinming Pool and the timely main quests
Mostly, I only roam around Qinghe (it's still not 100%)

[stiff remnant]

When's the next part of the story coming out

[nova chasm]

for me before today i used to...just fight tian ying over and over for the past days or even week

[uncut fractal]

And I don't think I want to do 100%
I get tired of chatting with AI

[uncut fractal]

Masochist

[nova chasm]

kinda far, cuz kaifeng's story is over and it's next zone so next update

[stiff remnant]

Ok

[nova chasm]

but i did beat him, i accidently saw something in yt how to understand his 1=>2=>hit move and then i beat him just after beating zhang E

[hybrid oak]

Regarding Chapter 2 did Velvet Shade take part in the ||ember of east|| plans? If yes, did they knew their identity as ||Yingying||?

[timber nebula]

yes basically one of the secret bosses

[timber nebula]

what difficulty

[nova chasm]

legend of course

[timber nebula]

i can see why he is rough. i wouldn't be able to handle him in legend diff either.

[nova chasm]

but the main issue was that i started getting anoyyed so after a few(10) tries or less i would stop and do something else

[nova chasm]

goose skill rlly helped me win

almost double my dmg

[timber nebula]

I might as well try goose!

[rotund dirge]

Yes

[timber nebula]

Or they don't know she's yingying but agrees either way to make the Kaifeng folk feel better

[zenith shoal]

I've heard if you buy enough horskies in your pack, the stronger they get so they'll start dragging you around

[warm carbon]

f

[true escarp]

hey I did the murong yuan campaign after the main quest so basically Big Zhang revoluted with 3 of his bro to become king right ? After his kinghood he order 1 of his bro ( now general Murong ) to opress a revolution that lead by Yuan's dad and killed him and adopt Yuan right ? or am I tripping

[fervent nimbus]

uuuh, can someone explain to me the story in Kaifeng? Because i honestly don't get it.
As i remember one of the reasons for the confiscation of the money was due to the coins risking overflowing the market and i would guess cause inflation, but then they make a fiat currency at the end, which is THE MOST INFLATIONARY, because you can't just print it if it isn't tied to a gold standard, or some type of real currency.

So i just don't get it. Moreover if the money is confiscated it would be extremely deflationary so it's definitely not good at the beginning, but eventually each coin would be higher in value as there would be less around.

I just don't get the story in this region, because as i understand it, it doesn't make a lot of sense

[nova chasm]

who's the npc that has most mentions in kaifeng

[static forge]

حياكم عرب الدسكورد بالبايو شروحات قيلد تنورونا كلكم

[blazing shale]

mention?

[nova chasm]

idk just looking for the equivalent of tian ying in kaifeng, someone who's the center of that area's lore

[vague tapir]

apparently reddit threads are not allowed, but I found one called "[Spoiler] KaiFeng main storyline currency related knowledge" in the underscore reddit that goes into more of an explanation if that helps

[blazing shale]

ah idk

[ruby locust]

I'm reading Reddit threads that explain the stories & lore by a Chinese speaking user and it's so good. I'm sad & annoyed this game's translation is so bad & lacks emotions.

I mean, it's not all bad for me personally since I consumed lots of wuxia as a child & here and there as adults so I can fill in the blanks, but damn the translations are so robotic most of the time, with no prose in it lol.

[urban pivot]

what if ruby is alive

[inner scarab]

I'm coping hoping that is the case.

[rotund dirge]

😔

[inner scarab]

My demons were calling for blood when Ruby died.

[urban pivot]

i loved it

[inner scarab]

The only thing missing, was the MC's expression. It was hollow, the way he expressed his grief.

[urban pivot]

no i meant i loved that she died

[inner scarab]

Felt disappointed that his expression during Ruby's death was just... superficial.

Oh. Well, I didn't.

[dire acorn]

Not campaigns sorry, I meant Jianghu legacy quests

[blissful bear]

I cannot post lore link made by where winds meet on YouTube? Even if its the game who release it ?

[timber nebula]

which one actually there's several that's very good at understanding the lore

[ruby locust]

I can't link them i think

But I read several ones

[pearl dune]

Rip dead kids

[drowsy zephyr]

[open stag]

anyone knows whats the lore behind the useless lock and wolf maiden?

[timber nebula]

song is forced to be in a war with tang sandly

[dark rover]

she's a survivor of the Zheng family massacre (plentiful grainary arc), and was raised by wolves. Eventually she is found and taken in by a courtesan lady. Lady teaches her how to speak and write and stuff. But, the courtesan grows older and cheaper and takes a lot of abuse by the clients until she dies in neglect. Wolf girl takes the corpse and heads back to the wilderness because humanity disgusts her.

[open stag]

right. but im wondering what the useless lock is for, afterall she thanks you after giving that to her

[timber nebula]

the zheng family massacre bandits are song bandits or khitan which i never got clear

[dark rover]

i think they were just roaming bandits composed of deserters from the armies

[timber nebula]

its pretty tragic zheng e is not a fun guy

[dark rover]

ye classic wuxia everyone has a story

[timber nebula]

no cause he uses mushrooms

fun guy

[dark rover]

i just assumed its a lock from something that belonged to the lady

[dark rover]

probably ||Zheng E? the whole east kaifeng corrupted by the spores has to do with their family story||

[nova chasm]

that's a very small area compared to the entirety of qinqhe, even master jiang knows of him, guy is a legend(maybe two)

[dark rover]

ye there isn't going to be an equivalent of Jian Ying everywhere

[nova chasm]

wished there'd be for each zone, if they aren't stuck to that zone

[sinful tide]

what was the biggest plot twist in the stroy so far

[drowsy zephyr]

[sudden valve]

They were bandits

[wild marsh]

It’s a chance encounter. Took me a few times to trigger it. Change your time to hai and go up to the well

[formal robin]

Anyone finish "The Lu and Mo Debate" and get happy to see ||Murong Yuan is still alive after all her post-death quests||

[vagrant violet]

Does anyone know which one is which for hammer dagger and hook? Im so curious which one of the girls is which

[timber nebula]

that we dont know, they all crazy with the beatdown

[near spindle]

huh wheres this quest at

[mint spade]

You know, I have a feeling most people don't know Mohism and why Mohism is a big deal...

[lyric pasture]

Why

[mint spade]

To put it in the most bluntest way:

It's a philosophy that teaches universal love is how the world can bring about an ideal society.

How to ensure universal love?

Don't be aggressive.

Is it some hippy pacifist thing then?

Nope, Mozi, the founder of the movement, famously built siege engines superior to the legendary carpenter Luban. Which is where the mythical contraptions in Wuxia fantasy come from.

Then he beat Confucius in a debate to the point Confucius does not wish to debate him anymore.

And he created systems of anti siege warfare where attacking a city guarded by mohists was considered a futile waste of lives.

The very concept of Xia comes from mohists who travelled from city to city, defending besieged cities from attackers to dissuade the spread of warfare. Wandering heroes with strange techniques and advanced technology that borders on mystical powers.

[timber nebula]

love fort

[mint spade]

Unfortunately it is useless for those in power to hold onto political power so it was not adopted as state philosophy, and lost out to Legalism, and later Confucianism.

And Mozi himself is near superhuman, being multi talented in so many fields he was beating his equally monstrous opponents at their most famed field... So there was a huge lack of talent to continue his legacy

[timber nebula]

yet here we are his philosophy lives on, probably laughing at confuse us

[meager stone]

I was in a rush to finish the story quests and didnt understand some stuff, are we related to the white hair guy or smth? And is he a villain or good guy

[quiet wigeon]

||Assuming the white hair guy you're referring to is the guy that is sending out those undead bug, there is some theories floating that he might be related to us. Some theorized that he is our father. Though I don't think it's confirmed yet. He is 100% the bad guy though. Wants to create a world full of soulless immortals (aka zombies)||

[kindred pollen]

Wait ... What ? Who are you talking about?

[rose berry]

Are we supposed to finish Quinqhe before we finish chapter one?

[mint spade]

Not really, this is an open world game, you can rush through the main story and not explore Qinghe if you so desire.

In fact, in Kaifeng you're gonna feel like some of the side quest's timeline is a little disjointed if you don't rush the main quest first...

[kindred pollen]

[lyric pasture]

Wow they are so cool😭

[mint spade]

Oh, and as an aside....

The traps in Lunar Goddess's lair, was built by a mohist disciple who didn't even learn any of their real techniques, just the basics of their mechanisms.

The Mohist Hill is super glazed in this story.

[drowsy bronze]

hi im new here. got interested of the lore vids i found on yt. Guess ill go in the rabbit hole now.

[noble willow]

my god of killing quest bugged anyone know the fix?

mb wrong channel

[vague shoal]

It's in wandering tales of kaifeng

[paper rampart]

Apparently we have the ability to kill them but they are alive after we collect the rewards

I think we have the gu virus like zombies if we bite them, they become zombies too

How is it we saw seventeen and murong yuan turned into dust like spiderman got thanos snapped and yet we see them alive post battle

[quiet wigeon]

between all those times MC got drugged / hallucinated / knocked out by trap and the fact that almost all of the bosses we fight didn't die / faked their death / was just hallucination.....

[paper rampart]

Plot no jutsu

[wooden cedar]

Does the game give u any clue on how to complete the dark surges if u dont look up a guide?

[placid iris]

Nah. You've to talk to everyone and pick up every interactables :v

[wise summit]

you just gotta interact with everything you see and hope for the best. you should get almost all if you finish everything else before tales and echos

[wooden cedar]

thats crazy
I played for 40 hours i only have 4% of the wandering tales in qinghe

I would like to uncover the hidden story "naturally" but this'll take too long for me unfortunately

[dreamy flame]

For me, wandering about aimlessly and stumbling on stuff is one of the best parts of the game

[wooden cedar]

yea same but theres too much content to stumble upon and I want to play it like a story game too

[sturdy flare]

some npc gives you hint here and there

[jaunty coyote]

can't wait for it to come out on mobile so i can wander around while im on the bus

[placid iris]

I don't think my handphone can take it

[limpid rose]

Until your are in some swamp area like the bodhi sea

[jaunty jay]

or enter to ghost bride tomb

[dreamy flame]

Still cool

[spare parcel]

randomly strolling and triggered an encounter upon || picking up an earing || then i..uh..got drugged by a || cat in the flower expanse || after completing some tasks and got sent to a || aureate pavilion's hideout ||

we are so gullible

[jaunty jay]

[vague shoal]

Farmed all those Aureate goons for dem mats was nice

[spare parcel]

yea, and they deserve to die

[atomic violet]

Is there any lore why those goose are 9,999x more stronger than MC?

are they like the sleeping taoist immortal? Or the immortals underground?

[tawdry sleet]

no dedass i feel like im playing as my stupid little nephew

keep getting scammed. uncle jiang was right we not ready for the jianghu

[tawdry sleet]

i like the kaifeng one better bc everything's kind of sealed off in one city. and the gold leaf event helped me find a lot of them

[dire acorn]

chinese kids getting terrorised by geese is a universal experience for anyone whos been on a farm with geese
which is a lot of the age 20+ population

[wooden cedar]

LOL

[timber nebula]

I don't like geese they are scary

[timber nebula]

Yeah they were blessed by the four heavenly kings

[timber nebula]

It's on sight for aurete pavillion

[limpid rose]

Nothing redeemable about that faction 😭

[dire acorn]

nah their leader is pretty valid plus hes hot

[limpid rose]

He didn’t listen to his baddie enough

[silent sequoia]

|| what if ruby isn't dead what if 2 people kidnapped her right before she died slapped a mind control mask on her and went back in time and ruby comes back as a adult swordswoman we fight and we break the mask and she grabs one of the people and pulls them into a time dimension were she solos them by going super ruby 3. But no seriously anyone play cn version know of she ever pops up as a spirit companion or anything or is she gone for good? ||

[timber nebula]

He's the echo in the deer dungeon :( and he should've stayed with his baddie

[limpid rose]

As in dying with her?

[lost condor]

this sounds like the plot of a hollywood movie

[timber nebula]

We don't know but it's blissful thinking in blissful retreats tragedy :(

[limpid rose]

Absolute cinema but I have unfortunate news

[silent sequoia]

Actually it's bardock from xenovers 2

[limpid rose]

If she is going to be back it’s a fate worse than death

[paper rampart]

Then she has the gu virus

She’s not human any more

[limpid rose]

Aureate Pavilion make her a dream puppet rn

[dire acorn]

what? his baddie is dead though

shes dead 😭

[limpid rose]

Make us do what Uncle Jiang do to his adoptive father

[silent sequoia]

Unfortunate news is sad but thanks for the answer

[timber nebula]

Yeah cause he chose to do his own thing

[limpid rose]

Absolute tragedy

[dire acorn]

no?..

[timber nebula]

Yes

[paper rampart]

Ruby?

Killed by qianye

Alive?
Got the gu virus.

Killed by us.

[limpid rose]

Like father like son

[paper rampart]

Hey I just realised my post rhymes if i add a hip hop tune

[dire acorn]

No, Liu Qingyi was experimented on and she chose to die

[timber nebula]

Yeah she was like I wanna atone, and dream puppet man is like I wanna rule da world

[dire acorn]

albeit with a bit of pressure from Jianghu

[paper rampart]

I just used buddha key today. Damn dude was alive.

[dire acorn]

well he grew resentful after what happened to her, starting the Aureate pavilion and turning people into the Dream Puppets via similar experiment methods that were used on his wife

[timber nebula]

Ye, or the fact she chose to atone which he doesn't understand she felt massive guilt

[timber nebula]

Yep and had make up on

[dire acorn]

?? He knew she wanted to atone, hes partially responsible for her momentarily regaining her sanity to apologize. She felt guilty for luring innocent villagers to be experimented on and turning into Dream Puppets among other things, but Li Zuo was not the one doing these experiments. It was another guy. She shouldn't have felt guilty is what Li Zuo most likely thought, and hates the Jianghu for how they pressured her into taking her own life, making her feel as if the fault of what happened in Wraith Village and the experiments were because of her

[timber nebula]

Thanks for writing that up consicely I definitely got the lore wrong on that

[paper rampart]

Huh Li again?

Li zhen zhen
Li zuo
Official khitan Li (tian ying after he got his miaoshan and tianying identities killed by us)

[dire acorn]

Li Zhenzhen was the Moon Goddess who Tian Ying saved from Wraith Village
Li Zuo is the previous Emperor, known as "The Last Emperor" in the in game character profile section. He created Aureate Pavilion.

[paper rampart]

Yes I know them. You told me these few days ago.
Surname Li, of all surnames.

[twin kiln]

...idk what to tell you besides it's a common surname but that doesn't mean they're all related

[timber nebula]

Li Bron

[twin kiln]

There's a book of surnames in Chinese history. Hundred Family surnames

[paper rampart]

As far as I remember, Li is a name created during the Tang dynasty.

Li zuo is the first person to have the Li surname

[mental ermine]

Different characters

[mental ermine]

No 🤣

[twin kiln]

Yeah the Tang dynasty Li (李)
may not be the same character of other Li surnames

[paper rampart]

厲 or 李 or 利

Its 李 tho

李祚 emperor ai aka li zuo

Li was the imperial surname of the Tang dynasty, founded by Li Yuan in 618 AD. One of the most prosperous and influential dynasties in Chinese history, Tang was ruled by 20 emperors surnamed Li.[4][7] The Tang dynasty imperial family belonged to the northwest military aristocracy prevalent during the Sui dynasty and claimed to be paternally descended from Laozi,[11][12][13] the Qin general Li Xin, the Han dynasty general Li Guang, and Western Liang ruler Li Gao.[14][15]

Wikipedia knows chinese better than me wtf

[dire acorn]

Li Zuo was the last Tang emperor so he couldn't have been the progenitor of the surname, no?

[nova frigate]

https://discord.com/channels/1180042348755963924/1445872807144718386

[paper rampart]

Poor child and poor tang dynasty. Owned by zetian and many rebellions

[mental ermine]

李 goes all the way back to spring and autumn period and before

Li zhenzhen is 黎 anyway iirc

[paper rampart]

Times when chinese is better explained in than English.

[mental ermine]

Too many homonyms in mandarin

[paper rampart]

Ya…

Cant blame but myself for not being strongly bilingual

[paper rampart]

Is that unicorn i mean unilady?

[twin kiln]

It looks like qin or han dynasty hanfu to me! Ngl the spider lily(?) unicorn thing is peak fashion lolol

[winter belfry]

Chocobun just explained 🙂

[winter belfry]

This one is great because of the ducks or geese not sure what they are

[twin kiln]

Is birb

[twin kiln]

Noooo bot got to me, but it was a link to a Tumblr blog that cross posts a lot of history and translates from weibo and xhs. There's really cool historical recreation of fashion based off primary sources like art or paintings

[mental ermine]

i've been wanting to get hanfu for a while but haven't settled on what style and time period i want 😢

[twin kiln]

LOL same although my faves are tang and song dynasty

Ngl qin and han does look very nice though

[paper rampart]

What… not tang and not song please. The hat can have so many birds to sit on like a transmission tower.

[twin kiln]

I meant for hanfu for myself...what's wrong with tang and song 😭

[paper rampart]

For us men, this.

[mental ermine]

tbf. tang didn't have the extremely long wings lol

[paper rampart]

My parrots will sit on my headwear all days

[paper rampart]

That’s true.

But birbs are birbs

[timber nebula]

i wish we could fly with those hats

[mental ermine]

it started out like this and then evolved 🤣

[twin kiln]

OH fbanajskdjd mybad I was so deep in the hahaah pretty women's hanfu I didn't even consider....but like. You can whack people you don't like with that hat

[paper rampart]

[mental ermine]

women cosmetics having it better even irl 😂 apparently big zhao made the long wings to prevent his officials from whispering to each other or something like that

[paper rampart]

Yup

[twin kiln]

Yeah I remember that historical bit! I just wasn't sure which dynasty he made the hat wings a thing

[mental ermine]

i like the cleaner look of qinhan

[twin kiln]

I thought it might of been ming when that transition happened

[mental ermine]

for both men and women

[mental ermine]

ming went full circle, the wings went straight up

anyone think big zhu and big zhao could have been good friends

[twin kiln]

I think I saw a c-drama with that hat and the wings up

[mental ermine]

Wings up for princes and the emperor, straight for everyone else

[sullen rapids]

can i say it's a really dramamtic version of the transisiton to paper money story lol

and whole not even paper anyone is a reference to how china is really into mobile payment and the global electronic money which is neat but idk if ppl in the past thought that far

[timber nebula]

Yes

[spare parcel]

just finished the golden leaf quest last night..that series of quests' stories, top tier 🥲

[paper rampart]

Did you kill the blind girl?

[timber nebula]

Did u cry

[spare parcel]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 😭 dont touch her..she baby

[spare parcel]

i actually did when she asked us || why we dont go back home ||

[twin kiln]

Psst go see A'ran again for a fun post quest reward!!

[spare parcel]

there's more after the achievement?
i'll go check it later once i got home from work >.<

[timber nebula]

Oh on god??

[timber nebula]

Why are you working at this hour

[twin kiln]

👀

[spare parcel]

haha..im from SEA, time zone is GMT+8..so it's 3:30pm here right now

[timber nebula]

Same I'm sea

[timber nebula]

I'm logging in to see so fast

[twin kiln]

It's a cute little present nothing major, but it's very cute

Just trying to manage expectations 😭 but I loved it

A'ran must he protected at all costs yes yes

[timber nebula]

imagine a hyper steroid I mean qi pilled pulsating muscled man in Chinese clothing 6 foot tall barreling towards little Aran

Also with tiny head

[paper rampart]

You cant eat it anyway. Relax.

[paper rampart]

So you told her the lie

[timber nebula]

Idk I'm barreling towards little Aran. As the misterious John who wanderer

[paper rampart]

Cant tell you since it’s spoilers

[spare parcel]

it all works out in the end..so it's not a lie 😬

[thorn kettle]

i just figured out the sorrowfield village questline map is actually grace village gracetown

[spare parcel]

is that the village covered in fog? i play the game in CN sub and dub, so not too sure about the EN namings..haha

[timber nebula]

It's weasel fart town

[placid iris]

Yeah and the mansion that's burning is Zheng family's house I think...

[timber nebula]

dont care if it was a minor thing

it was

heart melting.

[green wyvern]

They all got kicked out

[timber nebula]

The whole village is the Zheng clan

[paper rampart]

And us too because we have the power to enter the past

No idea why. Gullible is our innate trait

[timber nebula]

Thats a recurring theme I saw it used as well in another game where you see the past as to why x villain is doing this or the answer to how you were betrayed

[thorny timber]

i just played the "her legacy" quest, i am never taking that red bracelet off.

[timber nebula]

Broke your heart didn't it

[thorny timber]

tearing up as we speak

[timber nebula]

Wanna rlly tear up

[paper rampart]

Relax we will see ruby soon. The devs took our suggestions in discord

Undead ruby here we go.