Elf Destiny: Atlantis

[cyan crescent]

With permission from the original creator Zarays (95% of the mods code is still his), and with the help of the mod author of Elf Destiny, I bring you a restored Atlantis mod fully integrated with Elf Destiny.

Description:

This mod adds three new islands in the Atlantic ocean, which are uninhabited at the beginning of the game. Following a chain of decisions, you can settle the islands and develop them into the center of an empire. There is also some content outside these main decisions you can discover along the way.

You have to start new game not in Atlantis, but somewhere in the coast
You'll have decision to declare war on Atlantis
After you win the war you'll have to choose the skill route in which you'll settle these islands and create Atlantis kingdom
Depending on the route there are different requirements, title and modifiers received after you create Atlantis Kingdom
You'll also be able create new culture Atlantian upon creating Atlantis Kingdom, it will get all traditions and innovations from your old culture, but with different ethos
And later you will be able to expand it to empire via other decisions upon conquering the coast.

The Tide of the Elves

Dive into the mysterious world of Atlantis with Elf Destiny.
Uncover ancient secrets and harness the maritime prowess of the sea elves, a race renowned for their raiding skills and deep connection to the ocean.
Govern the remnants of Atlantis, navigate the political currents of medieval Europe as Aelor of Léon, and restore the glory of a lost civilization.
With new characters, artifacts and challenges, this mod invites players to explore a blend of myth and history, where magic meets the high seas.

FEATURES

Newly discovered island in the Atlantic
New elven dynasty.
New bloodline.
Expedition and holy site in Atlantis.
New artifacts from elven expeditions

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3365342206&searchtext=

Truly I say to you all, bugs will be there waiting

My main concern is if the new Atlantean artifacts actually show up at all

There should be a chance to get them when doing expeditions, and I'm also not sure if they are exclusive to the new Atlantis holy site

[wind wing]

Load after everything except GUI mods? Or does it matter?

[cyan crescent]

Sounds about right, just hug it below where elf destiny is and should be good

I did add a new eye palette so that might mess things up if you use a mod that does the same

And I have further plans to sneak in red eyes for Drow

Drow Atlantean raiders

[wind wing]

Okay, cool. I'm using Real Eyes 3.0, her eyes are real pretty. Maybe I'll try adding your changes to hers (if possible) to get the best of both worlds.

[cyan crescent]

Are Serelion eyes still purple when using Real Eyes 3.0?

[wind wing]

I'm starting a new "Atlantis" game now and will let you know. She says it doesn't work with AGOT, but the heterochromia trait works (I can get lavendar left eye, golden right eye) and the Strong Seed purple eyes works even when Real Eyes is loaded after everything. I know she mainly focused on brown, hazel, green, turquoise, blue and gray, plus changed the eyes for albinos to something not blood red.

[earnest anchor]

Some ideas to consider for future updates

1. Make Maxyron an adventurer with Gallowsbait trait
2. Make separate culture for Lormelis dynasty, like other elves, add some native sea traditions
   Need to change the way you can create culture in Atlantis decisions, maybe allow diverge option only of culture is not that of Lormelis

[naive fern]

Question. How did you handle The Serelion Lormeris Eye boogaloo?

Who gets priority?

[cyan crescent]

the lormelis get priorty because its below in the load order

[naive fern]

Something we need to develop is a way to make it possible to either choose the colour of the eyes if you have the traits, or randomize them on inheritance

So even if you have a billion eye colours you will be able to see them.

[cyan crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-i-wish-that-were-so-i-wish-star-wars-gif-5342390

its probably possible in some way but far beyond my abilities

[naive fern]

Indeed, that is my conundrum as well

[cyan crescent]

of course having heterochromia would be really cool

[naive fern]

That would require remodelling the entire eye structure of paradox or creating some sort of mask

As they are bound to one set of eyes

[neat ibex]

could a form of trait flagging work? putting it in the code to recognize serelion and lormelis bloodline traits and automatically form a “mismatched eyes” trait.

or i guess it might be easier for it to be linked to a decision. once you have both bloodlines, you could choose to have heterochromia for your dynasty and it taking the place of both Serelion and Lormelis.

i’m just spitballing though. i know that Bloodline fusing and custom bloodlines are on the horizon so it might impede on that.

[nova cave]

Game of thrones has already implemented heterochromia 👁️

[naive fern]

isn't it just a trait?

[neat ibex]

yuh but they took it a step further and made it customizable with an array of colors to choose from. in this case though, we would only need to worry about serelion and lormelis colors. i guess it’s more of a “how to implement” kind of deal. i haven’t played much of ck3 lately and i’ve heard the new dlcs have changed how the decisions codes work so maybe that way of implementing it might be more difficult than it used to be, im unsure.

[wind wing]

Perhaps someone could rejigger the Strong Seed mod from AGOT to work in base game. That lets you select the primary eye color for your heirs (and there are something like 30 color options, including 8 shades of lavendar and purple). It also does some probability calculations when people with conflicting strong seeds have kids -- I think it's random though, not weighted.

[worn temple]

Markus, what is your current modpack with this mod?

[cyan crescent]

When testing i did so with minimum mods

[cyan crescent]

Is something wrong

Is it….safe? Is it….. alright?

[worn temple]

Nah. just interested.

[cyan crescent]

You will download and try the mod

As written

[nova cave]

looks like someone already made a chinese translation mod for this

[naive fern]

There is always an asian faster than you

[nova cave]

Officially front page famous

[cyan crescent]

damn I wasn't expecting that

[cyan crescent]

I could have the Lormelis start out with their own culture but would I call it Atlantean or something else

And if that's the case that will confuse the divergent culture decision

they definitely need their own thing

I need an elven name for some kind of atlantean culture which is impossible to create

[nova cave]

Why again cnat it be atlantean?

[cyan crescent]

because if you arent playing as them the player will get the event to create atlantean culture down the road

[nova cave]

oh

"Ancient Atlantean"

[cyan crescent]

so i should likely have them have an entirely different culture

while keeping the atlantean culture alive and unspoiled

[nova cave]

chatGPT may have ideas

[earnest anchor]

I don't know for the name)
But that's what I meant for divergent culture
It's not a separate decision, it's just an event option
Just check and switch it of it character culture is "atlantian elf" or divergent from it already
As it's supposed to be main culture for Atlantis elves

There are two options for that event
I think it's possible to make a check for divergent option and add some custom localization something like "You're already Atlantian" for disabled option so there will not be any confusion

[cyan crescent]

Yes I see what you mean

[dim patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/ily-sing-guitar-man-gif-13595522

[cyan crescent]

turns out they do have some ideas

Ithlians

[earnest anchor]

I did it once while testing CCA in event

You need to add trigger for an option

option = {
        name = save_dna_interaction
        trigger = {
            copy_paste_not_valid = yes
        }
        scope:recipient = {
            set_global_variable = {
                name = saved_dna
                value = scope:recipient
            }
            custom_description = {
                text = set_saved_dna_loc
                object = scope:recipient
            }
        }
        trigger_event = CCA_editor.1
    }

Add a trigger to check common/scripted_triggers

copy_paste_not_valid = {
    NOT = {
        scope:actor = scope:recipient
    }
}

Add /common/trigger_localization for it

copy_paste_not_valid = {
    first_not = copy_paste_not_valid_desc
}

And localization itself
copy_paste_not_valid_desc:0 "Can #bold not#! use on yourself"

And there will be custom description why you can't pick that option

[cedar flume]

Probably give the uninhabited trait the May Not Marry and May Not Have Children aspects like the eunuch trait

[cyan crescent]

lol

true

How is it a tribal though? It should be a republic

[earnest anchor]

It's republic for me

[cedar flume]

It starts as republic but after a month or so it becomes tribal

i also have some other mods enabled so let me turn them off and see

There's a decision called Embrace Tribalism that you're able to take even with negative prestige so the AI is probably taking that decision

[cyan crescent]

That is weird

I wonder how the republic of Venice avoids this

[untold umbra]

the decision requires to you have all holdings as tribes

[naive fern]

indeed

east fixed it if I recall

[limpid tree]

Possible Bug: The Holy Site granted on expedition twice doesn’t correctly fire and instead is always just at The Ring Finger

[earnest anchor]

On any expedition site there is always Atlantis event triggered
common\activities\activity_types\expedition.txt
Line 1580

@cyan crescent Better make on_end function like in my old files, I got it covered there

[naive fern]

Elf Atlantis is the new hotness rn

We need to make Markus work overtime

[nova cave]

☝️

[cyan crescent]

I don't understand, it is within an on_end though?

and this is what you had

I PISS ON EXPEDITION CODING

oh i see the issue

i need the else_if part

me thinks

[cyan crescent]

@nova cave is that right, do i need the else_if part

[cyan crescent]

Alright I updated it with this change, and I also made it so the uninhabited atlantis thing can no longer marry

[naive fern]

else-if is not obligatory

[nova cave]

Im not positve what the atlantis_expedition.006 event is, but i suspect you want something like this

            on_end = { # Fires for every attendee
                scope:activity.activity_location = { save_scope_as = activity_location }
                if = {
                    limit = { this = scope:host }
                    scope:activity = {

                        add_activity_log_entry = {
                            key = hunt_completed_success_log
                            score = 80
                            tags = { complete good }
                            character = scope:host
                            show_in_conclusion = yes
                            # EFFECT
                            scope:host = { disburse_expedition_activity_rewards = yes }
                        }

                        if = {
                            limit = {
                                scope:activity.activity_location.barony = title:b_atlantis_ring_finger
                            }
                            scope:host = { trigger_event = atlantis_expedition.006 }
                        }
                        else = {
                            scope:host = { trigger_event = expedition.006 }
                        }
                    }
                }
            }

[naive fern]

I understand 0% of this code...

[cyan crescent]

I pushed out Zarays suggestion so I hope that works

😔 🔫

No more expedition coding

[cedar flume]

made an ancient atlantean culture for the elves if you want the files

these are the traditions

[wind wing]

Is Guardians of the Abyss a new tradition? Cool artwork.

[cedar flume]

Either Zarays or Markus made it but yeah it's dope

[earnest anchor]

First if checks if destination is ring_finger, and only in that case triggers atlantis event
If not, you'll get else with normal Elf Destiny event

[earnest anchor]

And this one looks better, compared to what I wrote

[earnest anchor]

Use East's code above)

[earnest anchor]

I made all artwork long time before, but never finished an update

Good morning btw🙃

[blazing nova]

I got a question. Is it supposed to say "Error - unknown tradition name" for the Guardians of the Abyss tradition?

[nova cave]

You just dont understand Markus's creative vision

[earnest anchor]

That's some deep lore

[blazing nova]

I don't truly know but I feel like this is not supposed to happen, am I wrong?

[nova cave]

Errors are a pivotal part of the Elven story

||but also no its not suppose to happen||

[shrewd stone]

You should give the uninhabitable placeholder incapable and immortal, it married had a kid and died

[naive fern]

Based

Uninhabitable are people too

[cyan crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

I thought I fixed that

🫠

[naive fern]

DOn't forget sometimes people don't update their elf destiny

so what is broken is because of wrong version

[cyan crescent]

i put that change in a quick update yesterday

[shrewd stone]

The unihabited also gets assassinated

[cyan crescent]

This mf uninhabited guy

I’ll have no choice but to look at how the lotr handles ruins

In truth I never tested the uninhabited guy for too long as I assumed most people would go for Atlantis quickly

[naive fern]

Problem is you need to be independent

so if you are like me who likes harder starts

u get skill issued

[cyan crescent]

I see, I see

[cyan crescent]

I think i may borrow this but change the name

[cyan crescent]

so is else_if just not really used anymore

[nova cave]

this is not the same code

move the second block back inside the block above it

the if/else back into the if

there also may be an extra bracket

[cyan crescent]

it is the same code as yours

talk sense

actually something does look wrong

[nova cave]

what are you talking about, I posted it here, just copy paste

[cyan crescent]

alright its out, along with the russian translation and chinese

[shrewd stone]

I do it as a adventurer

[cyan crescent]

I imagine most do this with Atlantis now

I thought about making the Lormelis start out as adventurers

[wind wing]

What was this morning's update? Just general cleanup? BTW your mod is one of those mods that Steam doesn't update when you click "unsubscribe" followed by "subscribe." It looks like it's reloading in the launcher, but the Steam launcher is just a pig. Have to uninstall the mod, hit "update all mods" in the launcher, clear the download cache on Steam, and then re-subscribe.

[cyan crescent]

i had an extra bracket which caused the expeditions to not work at all

also wtf steam

[limpid tree]

I think this would be preferable. They conquered their way all through France in my “Haestein goes Atlantis” run

[cyan crescent]

was it the starting guy Aelor who did this or his son Vaelan?

[limpid tree]

Starting guy. First beat the absolute shit out of the Bretagne and then went for France

I think one big part is that they, unlike regular elfs, start with good MAA already

[cyan crescent]

i did start him out with 200 of the Abyssal Guardians

I think for the time being I will drop his ambitious trait for content

[lyric lance]

@Markus You haven't delete the Chinese file in your mod👀

[naive fern]

Are you the guy foing all the chinese translations from the submods?

[cyan crescent]

I did, re subscribe

[bold otter]

is this fixed now

[cyan crescent]

should be

[bold otter]

Sweeet, thanks

[cyan crescent]

if its still broken then i'm afraid i'm in trouble

[lyric lance]

Yea

👀

[lyric lance]

Include the main mod

[naive fern]

Yeah, because I remember you asking me to delete and link your mod

But I never knew afterwwrds if it went fine.

[lyric lance]

Well, it doesn't matter, I use the 'replace'

[naive fern]

It matters for me 😭😭

[lyric lance]

@Generalissimo Well

You haven't delete it

[shrewd stone]

No that's a rare variant of the Chinese language (real)

[naive fern]

Bruh

I couldve aworn I did

Which mod?

[naive fern]

Cuz what I meant was for Invite Elf, Elfess and Supremacy

since those are the ones i posted

[cyan crescent]

my bad, i will fix this next patch

[stray bane]

is this posted anywhere else?

[cyan crescent]

no

or rather, not yet

[stray bane]

Okay thanks.

could you send it as a zip or something, or would that inconvenience you?

[cyan crescent]

I imagine the recent elf destiny update will SMITE Atlantis, tread carefully until I update it

[blazing nova]

@cyan crescent do you know of any way to make Elf Destiny: Atlantis compatible with Even smaller world map? Because I started a run in 867 and in 1147 the game is running so slow that it becomes a chore.

[cyan crescent]

Afraid I don’t know of a way, map compatibility is difficult

I think there’s that population control mod you can try

[blazing nova]

How else can I improve performance?

[blazing nova]

I already use it though.

[cyan crescent]

What population does the game slow down on

Also don’t use the rut tradition

[blazing nova]

Probably Elven, because I spread it quite far.

[cyan crescent]

Elven lol

Population: elven

If you go to character finder and remove all filters it tells you how many people there are in the world

I find that over like 50k or 60k it slows down

And time to slaughter

[blazing nova]

How to slaughter loads of elves?

[cyan crescent]

The population mod

[blazing nova]

Are there literally no other mods that improve performance?

[cyan crescent]

I don’t know

[wind wing]

You could always add Higher Mortality Scythe (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3178096410) to the game, along with Population Control. And Dark Ages too. That combo should wipe out at least 30% of your population fairly quickly. And if you play with Sappho's Daughter 2, you eventually get the spell to wipe out most of the male population, reducing their global numbers to 6,666. AAAAAAAAAANND you can always set the Black Death in the game rules to fire multiple times and at any time. So the real plague will come and literally decimate cities over and over and over and over . . . .

[plucky jacinth]

There are was meant to be a custom royal court

In the original mod

[cyan crescent]

well thats tragic

[neat heron]

if you find someone who knows how to make one to make it, perhaps it'll be in the new mod, but I don't think Markus is gonna bother doing that himself

[cyan crescent]

indeed I would if I knew how

a custom court would be experienced gfx modding

If I was at that level I would be making custom elven hair, clothing and armor

[naive fern]

Imagine being on that level? Me and the boys are still on the printf for debug hype train.

[plucky jacinth]

I just got the event for climing the volcano any plans for that?

[plucky jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

Finna learn gfx modding just for this

Might aswell make some custom armour and swords cloths crowns and some other stuff while im at it

They won’t be good

But they’ll be good enough

[naive fern]

That is how I started on this road of perdition

[earnest anchor]

That draft of an event is something that was left by original Atlantis dev
I couldn't figure out what he wanted to do with it though🤷🏻‍♂️

[plucky jacinth]

Yeah

I’m not sure either

All I know is it hasn’t work sinced i started playing this mod

[earnest anchor]

It never worked)
He made a draft, and then activities were released
So he wanted to change it to an activity instead
And disappeared without a trace
That event draft is not even triggered anywhere, you only get notification to go get to that volcano

[naive fern]

He tried going inside a volcano to be more accurate

[frail comet]

So what's the Plan for Atlantis?

Perhaps you could take some Inspiration from Colonize Valyria and make acquiring Atlantis harder but also more rewarding?

The main Island needs some boosting at minimum id think, a single barony duchy is just way underpowered. Id say it needs at least three additional Holdings. The other two Islands are kinda okay but qould do with a buff also

[frail comet]

Is it possible to go the route of conquering/colonising atlantis after the game has been running for a while?

[neat heron]

my personal opinion on the atlantis islands is pretty much this:

• the central island should be bigger and have a few more counties and/or baronies
• the other islands have 2 enormous counties that should honestly be duchies and instead the baronies should be counties and have their own baronies

just that would be a massive fix imo for the Atlantis archipelago,

[cyan crescent]

I agree upon seeing the other 2 islands being far too large for the counties it has, it could be broken up further

But I am hesitant on making the central island more powerful

When using in conjunction with elf destiny, how much more powerful must one be?

Maybe I make it where the central island takes further effort to rebuild but when rebuilt its the greatest county in the game

And also I never touched any map modding so that would be something to try and learn

I updated atlantis because I didn't have to update any of the map stuff

[frail comet]

Why is it so powerful in your opinion?

[cyan crescent]

reconstructing the harbor

the harbor was even more powerful so i nerfed that by a lot

[cyan crescent]

i give the player a grace period of 50 years before the ai might begin looking into conquering atlantis

and then i made it so that its not very likely that they even go for it

if an adjacent ai ruler has ambitious or brave it will raise their willingness

Though I think I might just disable the ai from taking atlantis entirely, I don't want them messing things up for the player

With player adventurers things might take more time now

[naive fern]

The harbor was an absolute mood

straight violation

[frail comet]

I did notice that sometimes it seems to turn into a normal realm on it's own also, even without any invasion

[frail comet]

Oke, I can see that idea. It is a super powerful building. Perhaps in order to make it less extreme have it be a tiered building, ie. you start by rebuilding the ruins of the once great harbour, and then slowly repair it. Perhaps it could even require the lord to be of a specific rank of elf? Perhaps unlock it via a decision. Make it hard and worthwhile.

Personally I would like to see the harbour in their own holding/barony, with a special palace building in the main one. Two baronies like with Mann shouldn't be too extreme. Especially if upgrading the special building/duchy buildings is actually something that takes time and effort. Requiring the Empire of Atlantis for a palace would be a pretty big requirement id say. Even more so if you'd need to first unlock a legend

As to the colonising in general, I would suggest to base it around the same system that Colonizable Valyria does it. Or well, use the current Colonize Atlantis decision, but instead of going to war, you'd unlock a special Expedition to start to colonize Atlantis. Perhaps even require you to be an adventurer located in Atlantis' ruins, in order to be able to do so.

Obviously the decision should imho only be available to someone who is of the Elven race

For each additional duchy in Atlantis I would then have the Player be of a one higher tier of Elf. So starting with a simple Elf, then the second Duchy would require being a High Elf etc. Combine that with your plan/idea of cutting the Duchies into smaller ones would make it quite an achievement to actually get a nice and powerful Atlantis

Once im back at my pc I'll try and make a clearer Version og these suggestions

[wind wing]

@cyan crescent looks like you fixed the bug where if you didn't invade Atlantis immediately it got invaded by somebody else. I'm a year into the game and still getting the invade Atlantis option in decisions. Thanks mucho for resurrecting the mod, I love being the elf king of Atlantis.

[cyan crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/waterloo-napoleon-napoleon-bonaparte-gif-25480084

[cyan crescent]

I have finally updated atlantis with the last elf destiny religion update

no idea if current saves will work, ask me this and perish

[frail comet]

Big Update? Also somehow I missed it completely that ED had been updated

[cyan crescent]

it was a small update, it made changes to the head of faith stuff it looks like

[frail comet]

Have you looked into your plans of making the duchies in Atlantis smaller?

[cyan crescent]

yeah that will take sometime, map modding is wild

[wind wing]

Are you going to add different terrain to the map too? Mountains, forests etc? That would be a welcome addition.

[cyan crescent]

I agree that would be nice

it looks rather dull at the moment

[prime tiger]

Hi, are there requirement to create the Empire of Atlantis?

[frail comet]

yep. go and try it, it's a fun bit of work

[lucid epoch]

Any chance to make it so that if you are late to the party and someone else has taken it, you can still take the decision to form the Kingdom chain if you conquer all of it?

[cyan crescent]

I'd rather just disable the ai's ability to take it all together

if I can help it

[plucky jacinth]

i am testing this with Sinews of war

wish me luck

Idk why i thought that would work

[naive fern]

Lmao

[plucky jacinth]

It would be cool to have a compatch tho

[naive fern]

For sure. But it would be really complex and Markus already has a ton on his plate.

[cyan crescent]

never knew this mod existed until now

looks pretty good actually

i always wanted manpower in ck3

But behold, there are too many map mods out there and they are grossly complicated to mod

[plucky jacinth]

True

Sinews is one of the main ones

[cyan crescent]

The biggest complaint I get is to get Atlantis to work with the asia expanded mod

I don't actually know how to make a compatch for these

[plucky jacinth]

That’s kinda sad

It would be cool to watch the population go up from 0 as we colonize Atlantis

[cyan crescent]

I aim to change the colonization process for Atlantis eventually

Needs more steps involved and needs to be a bit of a struggle

Especially if some landless twat shows up with 12 people, how is this twat suppose to colonize Atlantis?

[plucky jacinth]

It would be cool if after you colonize Atlantis it triggers a struggle for the Atlantic Including the Coasts of Spain France Ireland and England And to form the empire

You have to end it

It makes it harder to form the empire

And makes it more fun and interesting

And wouldn’t a new land suddenly trigger a struggle for it

And the surrounding regions

[cyan crescent]

Yes it would

[plucky jacinth]

It might be hard tho

[cyan crescent]

Greatly

For me at least

[plucky jacinth]

Also overlaps with the Spanish struggle

[neat heron]

easy, considering the reproduction speed of elves (69 kids per birth), just one breeding pair of elves is enough to repopulate the entire island chain in a few years :^)

[cyan crescent]

Yeah yeah

NO RUT allowed on the island of Atlantis

[regal silo]

Hey, I started a new game to test out the mod and I immediately ran into a wall with the first expand settlements decision. It requires that Weavers be theocratic, but it starts off as lay clergy now. Don't remember that being the case a while back. Is the theocratic requirement intentional?

[cyan crescent]

I don't recall that requirement either tbh

I'll have to take a look when I can

Damn AELURANS

[regal silo]

hahahah thanks

[cyan crescent]

Hmm.... must be a reason why the previous devs made this theocracy a requirement

Only one way to find out

[untold wharf]

Hello, I have a question. Do you know if there is a limit to the number of traditions you can have with expeditions, or am I just unlucky?

[plucky jacinth]

He didn’t

I played As a Muslim Atlantean once

The sultan of Atlantis

[naive fern]

One if you don't have Adventurer Tradition

[untold wharf]

@naive fern No, I took the elf culture during the first expedition and now I have all the elements of the elf and Atlantean culture except the one for object creation.

[naive fern]

Ah

That is an old bug

Please report it on the forums

It was fixed but I gyess it resurfaced

[broken kite]

Will delete if this isn't the place but if anyone wants to try to make a compatch between this and Kingdom of Hyrule mod that'd be great. Been trying to make one all morning but I have basically no modding experience.

[blazing nova]

@cyan crescent I forgot to ask you what the policy is on people taking the content of this submod and using it to make their own mod.

[cyan crescent]

uh i'm not sure, didnt think that would happen

technically i'm not the original owner, nor was the previous one

[blazing nova]

So, there effectively is no policy on that?

Well that is quite convenient for me, since I took a bunch of this submods stuff to make Númenor in Medieval Europe

[cyan crescent]

oh that's fine

[cyan crescent]

based

[blazing nova]

It took me a day to do this but now I can finally do what I first wanted to do.

I have plans of making this private mod, more into something that I can call "my own", since I have ideas and ripping someones elses work completely and then not doing anything with it, feels wrong with me.

[blazing nova]

Markus what has your experience been with nonsensical crashes?

[cyan crescent]

not much, never really had atlantis crashing

[blazing nova]

Yeah well, for my mod, for some reason, because I did not specify "audio_parameter = european", in the heritage, the game, kept on crashing in October 868. It just confuses me especially because this was never a problem beforehand.

[cyan crescent]

that's weird, you're talking about in cultures?

[blazing nova]

Yes.

[cyan crescent]

oh boy, i havent played ck3 in a while but i have my own personal mod that messes with cultures

sounds like its broken now, i dont have that set anywhere

[blazing nova]

Markus I need some help. For some reason when I now try to do the Settle for Numenor decision. The ensuing war cannot be concluded due to the peace deal saying "No Target selected". I double checked the cb file but it is identical, except that I change atlantis to numenor and it still worked in this submod. Can you help?

[cyan crescent]

that is odd

[blazing nova]

I fail to understand it. Especially because it used to work.

[cyan crescent]

I'm failing to see the issue

my only guess is that where it says target_titles = none

[blazing nova]

I will try that but I am not optimistic

[steel depot]

What is that requirement ?

[blazing nova]

Yea it still does not work

[cyan crescent]

which path did you go down

is that diplomacy or stewardship

[steel depot]

stewardship

[cyan crescent]

oh you went down the learning path for expansion

ah shit i forgot my fix for this was reverted

[steel depot]

It was either stewardship or learning i forgot which one i went

[cyan crescent]

i'll put out a fix for this now

but basically its looking for your realm priest for opinion

but i believe since elf destiny doesnt use a realm priest per say it can't find anything

[steel depot]

I tried switching to christianity maybe it was a bug with that since i was the elven religion

[steel depot]

Does this mod also work for normal playthrough ? like without the elf dynasty

[cyan crescent]

it should but the county of leon in brittany will be bugged

as well as the rulers in leon

so you'll have to kill them all and change the county culture

or not

[steel depot]

Aight

[blazing nova]

Ok, I tried it. Mine doesn't work but yours definitely does. As a last resort I will reset it back to Atlantis CB File, put my file on the desktop and go through every line change and test it to see where it breaks.

[cyan crescent]

alright if you resubscribe it should work now

[cyan crescent]

brutal

you could always wait and ask east

he'll probably know more

[blazing nova]

I would think that if anyone knew how it would work, it would be you, and I am afraid that East will also not really have an answer and I know from Minecraft Modding that manually testing every combination is best for witling down the real problem.

[winged barn]

Who needs to like me?

[cyan crescent]

your realm priest

resubscribe

[winged barn]

the mod?

Do I need to put the mod below Elven?

or my list I mean?

[cyan crescent]

i put a patch out today, so try unsubscribing and resubscribing

and yes put atlantis below elf destiny

[quaint plover]

why there is no expedition here? There was one for the first expedition who is supposed to be in Italie but now there is none

[cyan crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-sitting-sad-gif-4089198943585804127

[quaint plover]

what's that supposed to mean ? 😅

[wind wing]

So should I already be an elf (i.e., done the first expedition with Julia and found the realm trinket, etc) before invading Atlantis, or does it matter at all?

[wind wing]

And random follow up question: will Atlantis work with The Fallen Eagle and The Fallen Eagel ED patch? Or is a separate as-yet-to-be-created patch necessary for Atlantis to still show up? I'm gunning for a 532 start date but don't want to miss Atlantis.

[naive fern]

Nope

[ember jolt]

It doesnt really matter i think. Depending on how u want to "roleplay". Personally I prefer starting as a Elf or high elf in Norway or as a adventurer. (just personal opinion to get a better start.)

[limber dagger]

Is there any way to stop the AI from doing the event, making it only become available later (or only if you fulfil something specific)? I want to explore as an adventurer for a while before going to take Atlantis but the damn Greeks keep yoinking it

Oh weird, looking in the files and the AI shouldn't be able to take it

[limber dagger]

Is it possible that the placeholder ruler is dying and their heir is taking over?

[limber dagger]

Okay so it seems like this is it? At least I've gotten much further in this time and it's still an option. My solution was using debug mode/save file editing to give "Uninhabited" Celestial (for imortality), and herculean and removing ill (my game had ill, unsure if that's for all) for health boost.

[cyan crescent]

ah that's probably it then, especially if a greek ruler keeps taking over

it could just be easier to allow the player to take it even if the uninhabited entity dies

theres also the random death rule thing that could be causing death

[limber dagger]

Would there not then be issues with the random greeks who take over ctually being able to do things?

[limber dagger]

How do you actually do this? Don't have the option to build it

[untold umbra]

it's a unique duchy building on the central island

[limber dagger]

Yeah I guessed, weirdly I'm not getting it as an optionm

[untold umbra]

it should be at the bottom of the list of buildings in the duchy building slot

you can also only start building it once you've proclaimed the kingdom of Atlantis

[cyan crescent]

Da

I nerfed it because in the original mod the stats were madness

still op though

[limber dagger]

Nah I'm just dumb, I haven't played ck in a solid year and completely forgot about dutchy buildings... it's there lmao. Thanks for your help 😅

[limber dagger]

Yeah god damn that's a good building! What was it like before it was nerfed?

[cyan crescent]

like 4x the numbers on all stats

atlantis would turn to like 80 development in 50 years

Numbers had to be purged

[limber dagger]

Glory to Atlantis

[cyan crescent]

Vanilla maybe i'd let that slide but when you're an elf, you don't need such crazy stats

that quickly

[dark canopy]

https://discord.com/channels/1179053540161880074/1341144802732806217
@cyan crescent
Would you be interested? I saw that you wanted to change the way of colonizing Atlantis, we could kill two birds with one stone

[limber dagger]

What's up with the climb volcano decision? I get a notification for it, but no decision appears

[untold umbra]

it's a incomplete event made by the original creator of the atlantis mod that subsequent remakes just left unfinished

[lofty fulcrum]

Well, isn't that a nice playing ground

[lost vortex]

hi! how did you guys add your cultural traditions to the pool for expeditions? I'm asking because I just made a submod that adds a couple of traditions too and I wanna find a way to make our mods compatible

[untold umbra]

i have an idea for i guess like second half to the mod, where if you hold the Atlantic empire and control Baleo-Tyrrhenia then you could expand this kingdom into a Mediterranean empire by creating provinces like the Atlantic empire decisions then combined these two empires once you fully control both

@cyan crescent any thoughts on this idea?

[whole jacinth]

Eh i just finish restore the Atlantis portal for the 1st time, just want to ask why its not count as a holy site for the mod elven faith? Its sth WIP or i mess sth up?

[untold umbra]

moving the portal doesn't make it a holy site even in the base mod

[cyan crescent]

not a bad idea tbh

[untold umbra]

in the atlantis legend it says that atlantis had and empire from Gibraltar and the west side of italy to egypt and then tried to take greece before being beaten by athens

i also found this map of a supposed atlantean empire

[naive fern]

Least insane map

Where is Hyperborea,The Finish and Korean Empires?

[blazing nova]

@cyan crescent I found out that my bug with the "No Target Selected" occured because of the update from 1.13.2 to 1.14.0 (it worked in 1.13.2 and broke in 1.14.0) and I wanna ask you what you did to make the Atlantis mod work with 1.14?

[cyan crescent]

sorry for late response, but I didn't do anything to make it work as far as I can remember

there is another bug in atlantis regarding casus bellis which has me confused

[naive fern]

Maybe Paradox messed with something on CBs and since it wasn't updated it broke?

[untold umbra]

one more empire idea, the Greater Baltic made up of the Baltic empire and Scandinavia (minus Norway)

[west cypress]

Could you add to the decision to settle Atlantis as a player only? I find myself stranded so many times as the ai takes it, it's absurd...

[blazing nova]

AI shouldn't do it for about 50 years though?

[naive fern]

Yeah, but if you take it slow like starting as a count because It is your fav dynasty you get cooked.

[cyan crescent]

I have made it so that the AI stops taking Atlantis, I think the problem is that the initial ruins ruler is getting killed

So I must either find a way to make the ruins entirely invincible or allow the player to still take the decision even if the ai "takes it"

[cyan crescent]

do you recall what culture the ai is when they take atlantis

[west cypress]

It was greek

[cyan crescent]

yeah its likely then the ruins thing is dying

thus causing a human to inherit and flipping the finger to the player

[naive fern]

Chat you make it immortal and give it the can't get incapable flags?

Another way is to simply instead of an event make it a decision of who owns the Atlantid Island can take

And make it only for players

And say fuck it to the ruin dying

[west cypress]

that or take a page from legacy of valyria and maybe check how they made unpopulated lands? I figure they' be willing to lend you a hand regarding that.

[wind wing]

I invaded Atlantis yesterday just fine less than a month after game start, but it was already occupied by The Kurgan (from the Highlander Immortals mod). Just executed him and leveled up my immortality. Long live the Kingdom of Atlantis!

[west cypress]

is it normal that atlantis doesnt have an expedition target? Afaik it used to have one.

[west cypress]

is this the correct building available to build in the province of atlantis?

[untold umbra]

that's from the regional expeditions mod not the atlantis mod

[west cypress]

so it's the regionals that bug out stuff?

damn, kinda like it but too many issues I guess

[west cypress]

She is a human, both parents are elves, from the get go if I 'm not mistaken.

[naive fern]

SOme mod could cause this

or sometimes shit happens that is why the debug is for

[west cypress]

It was the half elves submod

[naive fern]

Makes sense it is not updated

[west cypress]

Have you experienced random crashes playing with your mod? It tends to happen at one point in the game for me, don't kbnow why. Sometimes the reload fixes it if, sometimes the game isn't salvageable

Also, is the volcano chain of events in game and working?

[lofty fulcrum]

Danger of any modpack

[blazing nova]

I wonder if @cyan crescent ever tried making compatches for map mods? Because I tried it today with Oriental Empires and it's frustrating as hell

[naive fern]

It is really hard

Simply because East tied up a lot of the mechanics into the map

I would start small. Forget everything that isn't the characters and the buildings

Plop them there

Next would be the Aeluran framework, which is the main drag.

So on

[wind wing]

Speaking of maps, I booted up a new game with MPE and ED appears to be working fine (but Atlantis disappears). First expedition is a go, other expeditions look like I've still got lots of dead ruins to explore. And I have a ton of elves in-game still, plus the Kingdom of Martyuba (sp?). And my red sisters show up as per the usual. Anyone know of any other issues? And @Markus or @naive fern do either of you know what needs to happen to make Atlantis show up? MPE obviously doesn't add assets to the ocean, so I'm wondering if the fix would be as simple as adding the Atlantis map assets to MPE? I'm not a coder or modder, but I'm good a fixing shit, so I'm willing to give it a shot if you could provide some guidance.

[naive fern]

Most expedition sites are ok on MPE, one I know is broken is the Georgia one, as you can't go for it somehow.

To make Atlantis show up you would need to combine both maps on the gfx as well as make some province Id remapping.

You also would need to nake some bookmark fixes for later start dates as everyone becomes 100-200 years old and die immediately.

[blazing nova]

I wouldn't bother. It is quite time consuming...

[naive fern]

Probably would need 2 or 3 dudes oding it unless you are crazy

[blazing nova]

It's not really coding. More drawing and testing.

[naive fern]

Yep

I suck at both

I am already getting cooked by gui modding

If I oculd get some help for it I could release a mega compatch for the Better Population Control mod, but GUI SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[blazing nova]

I did Map modding yesterday and it is pain.

[nova cave]

How I picture it in my head

https://tenor.com/view/deven-rue-mistress-of-maps-trees-copic-copic-marker-gif-23389087

[blazing nova]

Well not quite so beautiful. It's far more frustrating

[cyan crescent]

no I haven't

once ck3 adds asia the mod is screwed because I lack the knowledge to mod the map

[blazing nova]

Well technically I could do it, now that I have done it myself...

[cyan crescent]

Take Atlantis

https://tenor.com/view/you-must-take-it-frodo-baggins-elijah-wood-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-17488298

[blazing nova]

Nah.

It's not that hard to be honest.

[cyan crescent]

I would of liked to add more holdings to Atlantis

Some of the counties are too spacious

[blazing nova]

That is so easy. Like literally just like painting a map

[cyan crescent]

Also some of the assigned terrain doesn't make sense, like I think most are plains but some should be mountains

[cyan crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-i-wish-that-were-so-i-wish-star-wars-gif-5342390

[blazing nova]

No but like actually. You would only have to start painting the provinces.png and then go into definition.csv, unhashtag the new provinces and type in the rgb values of the colours you used in the provinces.png.

Wouldn't even have to change the heightmap...

And the province terrain is just inside common/province_terrain...

maybe go in the game mapeditor and fix some of the building and unit location but it would quite literally be a 5-minute job.

[cyan crescent]

the provinces.png is in there?

[blazing nova]

inside the map_data folder.

In the same place as definition.csv

[naive fern]

You should release a quick and dirty video explaining how to do those steps. Otherwise it sounds incredibly confusing for my pea brain.

[blazing nova]

I could also just guide you through it, on VC?

Probably quicker than editing a whole video

[naive fern]

Probably. It will have to be in the backburner for now then. I have been sick this whole week and am late on a lot of stuff.

[blazing nova]

It will have to be tomorrow then because I currently don't have my mic.

[naive fern]

No worries, there is no rush. I can't do it this week either I am literally in bed sick

[blazing nova]

@cyan crescent I made my Numenor mod compatible with More Provinces Expanded and I could provide the mod files to you to make it compatible with the Atlantis mod? You should only have to rename some things back to their Atlantian counterparts and be merry on your way.

[cyan crescent]

yes please

bestow your gift

[blazing nova]

Wait just a moment

How do I get it to you?

Ah now it works

[cyan crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-triple-h-head-nod-nodding-approved-gif-13272682

this will get some of the complaints off my back

[blazing nova]

Which complaints?

[cyan crescent]

the many complaints

atlantis doesnt work with this, doesnt work with that, etc etc

[blazing nova]

Could you mention some of the mods because I could also make quick compatches for those aswell?

[cyan crescent]

asia expansion project

[blazing nova]

Oh god please no. Not again.

[cyan crescent]

you don't need to do it lol

[blazing nova]

The problem with that is that the Heightmap.png is a fiddly bitch and crashes at the first sign of tampering from me.

[cyan crescent]

the mod wont work soon enough anyway

dont worry about it

or rather, the asia mod will not be needed soon

[blazing nova]

Do you want a Fallen Eagle compatch instead?

[cyan crescent]

i thought it worked

i havent tested it but not sure if i ever got complaints about it

[blazing nova]

Is there a Atlantis Fallen Eagle compatch?

[cyan crescent]

no

[blazing nova]

I don't think it would work by itself, since you would have to add the provinces to the map anyhow?

[untold umbra]

i don't think fallen eagle alters the map that much

[blazing nova]

Well I guess I could make a compatch for AEP then?

[cyan crescent]

thats too ambitious

[blazing nova]

The only hurdle would be the heightmap really, which I could spend a lot of time and effort into making it work?

I do feel like I owe it to you, somehow.

[cyan crescent]

i'd appreciate it of course but if it gets annoying just drop it

[wind wing]

Any chance of a compatch for @cuomo860's Early Bookmarks - Legends of Europe? MPE is a requirement, pretty sure its map mirrors MPE's map.

[blazing nova]

Well yes, I could do it but I am currently busy with AEP, so you might have to wait a minute.

[blazing nova]

People I am getting somewhere

I think I might have this compatch finished today even.

[blazing nova]

Look what I have here. Only need to do the terrain (plains and trees) and I will have a complete compatch.

[blazing nova]

@cyan crescent ?

[naive fern]

Based

[cyan crescent]

BASED

[blazing nova]

I am done

[blazing nova]

You need to put Atlantis/Numenor at the top then Asia Expansion Project and then this compatch.
https://limewire.com/d/ffyLk#PSc1e1AvpS

@cyan crescent sadly I couldn't send the file over discord which is why I have to upload it to file.io.

You could then upload it to steam and call it AEP - Atlantis compatch?

[blazing nova]

https://limewire.com/d/vyjHa#OCpK5V4uCk

@cyan crescent ?

[cyan crescent]

excellent i'll take a look at this tomorrow

[blazing nova]

Do keep in mind that for some reason the squiggly army path lines are bugged and that I will also look into that tomorrow.

But I am going to bed now.

[cyan crescent]

you've done well

[blazing nova]

I have worked on this compatch for the whole night and it is dawn now.

Goodnight

[blazing nova]

I've taken a look at the mod you mentioned and when I tested it with my MPE Compatch it worked just fine, except for that all the characters had white hair and look like they had measles. I made sure that it wasn't a problem from my mod and I can confirm that this still occurs with only this mod and MPE

[naive fern]

Weird

didn`t ave that happen on mine

[blazing nova]

What mods do you have? Because this happens for me when I got MPE and Early Bookmarks - LoE enabled

[untold umbra]

thought of something that could be done with the volcano event perhaps once the event activates you get the decision to climb one the volcanoes and depending on which one you climb you get a different county modifier so if you climb the crown volcano you get a modifier improving men at arms represenitng using the volcano for blacksmithing and if you climb the hand volcano you get a modifier representing using volcanic ash for farming

[wind wing]

Not happening my playthru either with MPE and Early Bookmarks. I have ton of mods, current JSON attached.

[blazing nova]

Wow you have a lot of mods enabled, I would reckon a guess that EPE fixes it...

[blazing nova]

Yea, as I guessed, EPE fixes it.

[blazing nova]

@cyan crescent I also now made a More Bookmarks Plus compatch, just like the last ones you can just rename some things in the files and have it working for Atlantis. I also wanted to ask you what you thought of the previous compatches?

https://limewire.com/d/HNh3V#NjYyFORjXr

[cyan crescent]

did you keep this as a separate mod or did you put this within your numenor mod

[blazing nova]

It is a separate mod

[cyan crescent]

ok

[naive fern]

Rename what?

[cyan crescent]

titles and province names no doubt

or province names stayed the same?

[blazing nova]

Well mostly the landed Titles and titles

[blazing nova]

No, I renamed them to help me remember better.

[cyan crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/episode-iii-grip-star-wars-force-choke-dark-side-gif-669169165432496222

[blazing nova]

This is like actually just a 5-minute thing, since either you can just copy the relevant Atlantian Files and then change the province Ids to line up with the new provinces or just replace the place names, with Control + H, to their atlantian counterparts (you only really have to replace numenorean, with atlantis).

[cyan crescent]

yeah i know i was kidding, its not a big deal

[blazing nova]

@cyan crescent I made a compatch for this mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3093213469&searchtext=MBP-MPE as well now

[naive fern]

You made for MPE with MB+ not only for MB+ right?

[blazing nova]

Well I made a compatch for MPE, Mb+ and this mod.

So I have 3 compatches (two for the individual mods and one for both combined)

[naive fern]

Built different

[blazing nova]

It wasn't that hard actually

[naive fern]

Well I am on my way to test this. Hopefully I can figure out what is what

[naive fern]

Are all the three mods on the same ZIP?

[blazing nova]

No, I posted them seperately throughout this chat.

[blazing nova]

Do you want me to post a link to a zip with all three mods?

[naive fern]

Yeah owuld make it easier

[blazing nova]

https://limewire.com/d/CT1jg#yswEmCzkDM

[naive fern]

@cyan crescent I think there is a bug caused by Elf Atlantis that is making the Champion Event for Elf Destiny not summon an Elf.

random_traits_list = { # Elf
count = 1
elf = {
weight = {
base = 85
}
}
high_elf = {
weight = {
base = 15
}
}
}

It uses the deprecated elf traits not race

no one ever noticed this?

I mean of the players, I would have never looked at that as a modder anyway

[cyan crescent]

good eye

[naive fern]

You need to check the rest of those events

It also causes the Plea for Help event to recruit Akan

Etc

[wind wing]

Is the link expired? That's what it says on Limewire. Any chance you could upload the files here on discord or on somewhere that doesn't require registration (e.g., Mega)?

[tired tree]

Is there any incompats that would make the skill decision to not show after u settle atlantis after the war?

[blazing nova]

Yeah no worries. I will probably include the Númenor mod after I got the main story line done.

[wind wing]

Just FYI @Markus Atlantis is working fine except I'm not getting the decision to fire to form the Kingdom of Atlantis for some reason. Not sure why. I invaded per the usual as an adventurer, rejected the offer by the current ruin ruler to take a single county if I called off my invasion, and now I'm the proud owner of the whole island. But I'm only the Duke of Atlantis. Pretty sure in prior playthrus I got an option to form the Kingdom.

[tired tree]

Same for me

[untold umbra]

have you done expand settlements decision yet?, the decision to make the kingdom only appears after you've done that

[naive fern]

Correct

[wind wing]

Nope, that must be it. That said, I'm not seeing any "expand settlements" decision in my list of decisions. Is it somewhere other than the right-pane with all the various in-game decisions?

[naive fern]

It should be in the majot decisions

Major*

I had just played Atlantis and it had it.

Some things are bugged in it right now but the decision wasn't one of them.

[wind wing]

Can you please repost the patches here? The Limewire link says content was removed.

[blazing nova]

Yes, give me a minute

https://mega.nz/file/xcRVkDIb#2GL_I7vhRuCwiJu03WenPPBbeTJ6Wk8f6nhBDYtTK9c

[tired tree]

Is there a limited amount of time that you have to take the decision before it disappears?

Or did the ai settle it before me?

[cyan crescent]

the ai shouldnt be settling, but currently a problem where if the ai ruins dies it goes to a regular person

either i need to stop those ruins from dying or allow the player to take the decision regardless who holds atlantis

or both

[naive fern]

Ruin can't get immortal trait?

[tired tree]

This guy has settled it for me

It was two different ppl over there at a earlier point

Ig he took over

[cyan crescent]

tf

ruins going on a pilgrimage or something

[tired tree]

Lol have no idea

I saw the decision at one point

Then looked back n it was settled

2nd ruler died from the samething

[wind wing]

No matter if it's the idiot ruin or someone else who hold Atlantis, you can still conquer it easily. Biggest army I've ever encountered there is 3000 troops, and they always offer you a barony upon invading, so you can get landed automatically if you have enough troops to pose a threat. I always just refuse and conquer. You need something like 30+ dev in every county for the "establish kingdom" decision to pop up though, so you can go tall for a while before you branch out to conquer Brittany (or England, etc.).

[naive fern]

Makes sense

[tired tree]

Ahh didnt know you needed 30 dev for the decision to pop

[untold umbra]

it depends on what option you choose in the event when you conquer the island if you choose the stewardship one then it's development or if you choose martial then you just have to raid a lot

[tired tree]

My issue is the ai settles it or if i do make it in time i dont get the follow up decision and to settle by going martial or steward

[wispy turret]

I used the martial decision to settle atlantis and I'm struggling to fulfill the expand and proclaim kingdom decisions, I'm not killing anyone in battle (possibly compatibility issue with battleground commanders?) and the duels you get from events in Elven ruins don't count towards your kill count

to clarify, this is the requirement I'm struggling to meet

The elven ruin duels with the golems may be bugged, I would also like it if you can have an alternative requirement instead of this one (make it an OR requirement, something like conquer 2 duchies or something)

[naive fern]

The duels is stupid hard to go by. It is even worse if you try the prowess one. The only way I have gotten them is by virtue of the More Single Combats mod, otherwise it has been ages since I have gotten one in battle.

[tired tree]

Can anyone explain this

Ive won but some how its becoming my primary title and seraphine usurps my other titles

[untold umbra]

it maybe weird but that is supposed to happen you get the island and someone else gets your old title

i don't know why that's the case though

[tired tree]

Hmm

I dont like that

Anyway to prevent it from happening?

[naive fern]

Nope. It is supposed to be a migration like the Hungarians.

[tired tree]

Not good

[wind wing]

Just settle Atlantis first, then go conquer Brittany, take France, then start the invasion of England early. No need for puny titles like the Kingdom of Venice until you start the push to take the Byzantine Empire and just steamroll every kingdom in your way. Watch you foes flee before 20,000 warg riders.

[wind wing]

I suppose I'm retarded but is the MPE-Numenor patch supposed to work for Atlantis, or is it just an example of what needs to be modified on the map? My game CTDs on load (10 times in a row) with the patch installed.

[wispy turret]

Used that mod as a workaround and it worked perfectly lol

[naive fern]

Yep, it is awesome.

[tired tree]

Yea it wouldn’t be so bad if it was just whats shown but the list was longer,had extra vassals going independent, and lost more titles to serephine. I ended up just conceding the war.

[blazing nova]

You only would have to rename the stuff inside map_data/default_map, geographical_regions; history/titles and common/landed_titles back to their atlantian counterparts.

[wind wing]

I suspected as much, thanks for the directions.

[wind wing]

@Markus, are planning to update Atlantis for 1.16 and Khans? My nomad hordes are staring out over the water at the volcano, ten thousand horses on the coast of Brittany, waiting impatiently for ships to raze Atlantis after destroying all of Europe. Ride fast, kill and burn everything, rape and pillage! Sincerely, Kublai Khan

[blazing nova]

I just wanted to say that you could go for my mod soon, but it will be probable that it will not be out soon enough, due to me starting a new job tomorrow.

Also you didn't properly tag @Markus due to the comma.

[wind wing]

Congrats on the new job! Are you remaking the map for Atlantis for Markus? If so, that is super-cool of you.

[blazing nova]

Nah I just made the compatches for those different mods because I wanted to play them and still enjoy my mod and shared them to Markus because it is his mod that I stole the files for the island from and giving back to him by handing him several compatches, that only need minimal changes to work, is polite.

Once All under Heaven releases he or I will be able to update this mod within a day.

[blazing nova]

@cyan crescent I recently updated my mod to have an "uninhabited" culture, which gives everyone of this culture the uninhabited trait. I did that because the ruler of the islands, with the uninhabited trait, keeps on dying and breaking the migration cb. Now however I have a new problem, sometimes the trait succeeds to make the character invisible but other times (seemingly randomly) some characters become this black person. Do you know how to fix this?

[cyan crescent]

Looks like all males are invisible? also strange how in this pic one has a name and the other invisible person doesn't

I recommend you look in the lord of the rings mod where they apparently have ruins in that mod that do not die

See maybe how they do it

The ruins in your mod and Atlantis keep dying due to traveling deaths and the random death rule being enabled

At least that's what people have reported

[plucky jacinth]

None have a name one just has a title

@blazing nova why don’t you just give uninhabited the immortal trait

And in case he dies

Give the trait to his heir aswell

[blazing nova]

That's already what I do. The immortal flag is already integrated into the trait and I give anyone of the culture the uninhabited trait.

[plucky jacinth]

Oh

Ok

[cursive tartan]

Is this mod going to be updated now the main mod is updated?

[tired tree]

One can hope

[naive fern]

I think he is waiting for auh

[stoic orbit]

Most of us working on map expansions are

[lofty fulcrum]

How hard do you think auh will break mods not touching maps?

Cause we all know those are fucked

[cyan crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/ephialtes-300-betray-gif-19421533

Atlantis has again been destroyed

[stoic orbit]

You knew it was coming my guy. Honestly though, it’ll be pretty easy for you to restore the map part of the mod. Not sure about the rest.

[blazing nova]

I have taken a look at the map changes and it doesn't seem too difficult (yea famous last words) and grace you with an updated map tomorrow or the day after.

[blazing nova]

I have been working on this for the last 5 hours and the heightmap is by far the most difficult part. PDX changed the scale to not be proportional with the old map wich makes positioning and scaling Númenor very difficult. I have to get both position and scale exactly right.

[blazing nova]

I am so done with the Heightmap. I have spent 2 hours straight on this shit now. Coloured areas are the provinces and the grey is the land

[naive fern]

Oof

[blazing nova]

It almost lines up perfectly.

[stoic orbit]

Height maps are a bitch, it's true.

Especially if this is your first time working with them.

[blazing nova]

Incidentally it's not my first time, because I ported my mod to all the Map Expansion mods before but they were easier because they kept the proportional scale of the original map and thus I could use a piece of land as "line-up reference"

[stoic orbit]

Yeah, don't do that.

Line up your heightmap to the land in a separate image file, and then scale the image to the boundaries you need it to be at, and just copy and paste the relevant map parts into their relevant map files on a new layer and merge down.

[blazing nova]

I am not going to finish this today because of the game being stupid and mean to me

[stoic orbit]

It do be that way.

[untold umbra]

at least progress is being made and in any case elf destiny itself also needs to update

[blazing nova]

Ok I nearly got everything done (Heightmap, provinces, terrain masks). The only slightly not working part is apparently the tree leaf mask. But I will deal with that tomorrow. I am quite happy with my progress today, I got 99% done in 13 hours.

[naive fern]

Based gigachad

[blazing nova]

Maybe this is just me but since 1.18 the map looks notably desaturated. The plains, the forests and the fields look notably less green and more grey. In contrast the fields in Mesopotamia, India and China look much more green and vibrant.

[naive fern]

They changed it like that yes

[blazing nova]

Now that I'm done I was wondering if Markus would want the files in question? In order to make updating atlantis easier.

[cyan crescent]

yes please

i'll do the map updates and then wait for the rest of whatever else is needed after elf destiny is updated

[blazing nova]

Ok here you go:

https://mega.nz/file/cUh0VIDI#HhM2wWnxik0De98lisSAhnRX8n0TyHJxu5DhDBeGuTk

I even renamed all of the mentions of Númenor back to Atlantis. So in theory you should only have to drag in these files and have Atlantis working

[blazing nova]

Now I just have to wait for you to wake up. Which will probably happen in a few hours...

[stoic orbit]

Mhhmmm.... Monke.

[cyan crescent]

i'm here, copying stuff over now

also did you say you had a fix for a crash that involved the cb's?

i think this was it

#🍻the-great-hall message

actually now that i'm looking into it i dont see anything like this in atlantis

did i copy paste something wrong? it looks like everything is shifted

[blazing nova]

That isn't happening in my mod...

Oh and forgot something

You need this to not have the border fog clip Atlantis. Also delete "watercolor_rgb_waterspec_a" in gfx/map/water, since 1.18 doesn't use it anymore. The surround mask goes into gfx/map/surround_map

What to do about the coat of arms I do not know since that isn't happening on my end and don't know what causes it.

[stoic orbit]

And goofiness like this is why I’m waiting for the miller projection mod to get updated.

The vanilla projection is just too ass. Sorry PDX, but it’s true.

[blazing nova]

Nah it is just the watercolor rgb waterspec, that creates this phantom looking land. There is a reason why they stopped using that file and it's because the scale of all of this changed.

They bothered with the papermap but not that

[stoic orbit]

Yeah, well, the projection is still bad, even if they have made modding the map a little easier by removing that particular image to work around.

[cyan crescent]

alright so this fixed the terrain colors but it looks like the castles/temples/cities are all underwater

everything is further south basically

i feel like i'm missing something

[blazing nova]

Oh that is just the game doing weird things with positioning

These should fix it

Inside the gfx/map/map_object_data

If you want fresh ones just open the map editor and then select Map Objects Editor and there you can edit them individually. Then just look into user/documents/Paradox Interactive/Crusader Kings III/generated and you will find these there as well + some more exotic ones.

[cyan crescent]

awesome that worked

only thing left now is the terrain for atlantis has suffered

[blazing nova]

The masks inside the gfx/map/terrain/masks should do it?

I did spent 4 hours on those masks.

[cyan crescent]

i think its because some of these are within folders when they werent before

does this look correct

[blazing nova]

I put them in the folders because this is what 1.18 did

[cyan crescent]

and i'm assuming it works on your end?

[blazing nova]

They will not be registered if outside of those folders

[blazing nova]

Yes

It might look desaturated in the winter but they are there

Sometimes going into the map editor and saving will fix it.

[cyan crescent]

this is july

i'm curious what yours looks like

[blazing nova]

Just type into the console "map_editor" and it will fix it.

[cyan crescent]

that did indeed fix it

you're right though about how they changed the colors of the map entirely

[blazing nova]

Did it spit out a bunch of errors beforehand saying "Oh these files aren't 8-bit or something"? Because I had to go into gimp and save them all as 8-bit greyscale

[cyan crescent]

everything seems less colorful

[blazing nova]

You opened Map Editor, which takes an awful amount of time and saved it all, while'st my game has been starting in the background...

Did you notice any difference in Game Launch speeds between 1.17 and 1.18?

[cyan crescent]

in 1.17 it was 50/50 that my pc would completely freeze

one of the main reasons why i stopped playing for a bit

[blazing nova]

Well Spain and Mesopotamia look a lot more colourfull I think...

[blazing nova]

If you want the trees as well, go back into map_editor and select one of the left options and then they should show up...

[cyan crescent]

where would the errors be? error log?

[blazing nova]

Well if you don't know where they should be then you probably didn't get them. Because these errors that I spoke of where the sort of errors which get right into your face.

[cyan crescent]

they showed up as well

this is odd... why wont the game do this from the jump

[blazing nova]

Also now my game finally booted up

This is July

[cyan crescent]

wait did i put those trees in myself or are they suppose to be there?

[blazing nova]

Were they bugged for you as well? I had a bunch of them on the northern mountain

[blazing nova]

They definitely aren't supposed to look like this?

[cyan crescent]

ok i must of had too much fun pressing random buttons in map editor

[blazing nova]

They should be a lot more spread around...

[cyan crescent]

where is this file

or where should it be located

[blazing nova]

content_source/map_objects/masks

[cyan crescent]

does the file name start with trees?

ah forest

[blazing nova]

tree_leaf_01_mask?

[cyan crescent]

i dont see that on my end

[blazing nova]

wrong folder

go back to where

the descriptor is

[cyan crescent]

ah my bad, i see it now

[blazing nova]

The forests in those masks are just painted on textures on top of the terrain. These are 3d objects.

[cyan crescent]

so when you load up you dont need to go into map editor to see the proper terrain?

[blazing nova]

Well that is the trick, you need to go into map editor then click on 'save as' on the top left and then select all the masks to be saved both in the standard destination and your mod and then it will just do it without the map editor

You could also skip the saving to standard destination by clicking 'save all'

[cyan crescent]

ok so its when i click map object painter on the left is when the trees show up

does this look right

[blazing nova]

A bit more correct, although at this point I would just recommend redoing it a bit

[cyan crescent]

uh actually it doesnt look right, some trees are going into the water

i did the save as option, going ot relaunch to see if it worked

when i click on map object painter is it just adding random trees or something?

[blazing nova]

Just need to select the right mask. Right click to delete and left click to do more

Select this one, to just have that tree type appear

Also the 'save as' should appear as something like this. Do note how the location on the right leads to the mod

That should be all. I am going to bed now.

[cyan crescent]

Yes that worked

Thank you

I'll do a quick fix for the mod for now

And maybe another when elf destiny updates

And I'll credit you of course

[blazing nova]

No worries

[blazing nova]

Sorry that the papermap is so weird looking around Atlantis, but they changed it and I am horrible at art design. I couldn't make it look good if I tried. So I might try to get someone else to maybe fix it and add it in the east asian paper map as well

[naive fern]

We need darker water papermaps

They look so good

[cyan crescent]

It's fine, you've done a lot already

Atlantis lives because of you

[stoic orbit]

I can take a gander at it when I get home.

[somber depot]

How i can get 1.17.1 version of Atlantis? The latest version crash the game.

[untold umbra]

you'll have to wait for the mod to update

[somber depot]

i`m afraid the reason of crash is compatibility with my savegame. But i played it in 2 month and want to continue that game.

[stoic orbit]

Download an old copy of the mod by changing its version in Steam.

[somber depot]

Do you mean changing the vanilla game version in beta-version? But it changing game version only, mods version not changing, isnt is?

[stoic orbit]

You don't change it in that screen.

On the mod's page, there's a way to do it, but it's finnicky.

[cyan crescent]

Had to get a quick fix out just now because I forgot I had placed a different culture file in the mod on my end a while back for my own purposes, it was causing all elven cultures to spawn no gene people

The no gene people are no more

[naive fern]

Boooooo, you keep oppressing them! 😡

[stoic orbit]

Fix the trees while you’re at it.

I had Atlantis at the bottom of my modlist and it was barren.

[cyan crescent]

Everywhere or just in Atlantis?

nevermind its everywhere

[stoic orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-viralhog-disappointed-gloomy-glare-gif-22723458

[cyan crescent]

I fixed the world not having trees and what not but now we still have the issue of Atlantis being treeless

https://tenor.com/view/tywin-lannister-stupidity-and-madness-gif-25477127

@blazing nova When I went into map editor myself and did 'save as' it created this 'generated' folder within gfx/map/map_object_data and this is what was inside of that. I'm wondering if this is the reason why I can't see the trees and what not that you made?

and if I go into vanilla I see a whole bunch in here

so my fault was going into map editor and generated nothing so the whole map was treeless

I know you later gave me the files for the locators but all I need now I believe is the generated folder

[blazing nova]

It seems the trees I gave you no longer are used by the game

[plucky jacinth]

I think that the exalt the Atlantean empire should turn it into a hegemony

[grave bough]

I remember seeing some vague mention of the whole landmass of Atlantis being expanded massively, both with the amount of land as well as some more flavor and content. However, it would be a very long time away

[stoic orbit]

It'll be separate from this mod.

[grave bough]

There ya go

[cosmic rapids]

Hello is the County of Outer Crown really not part of the expand duchy decision, or is there something else stopping me from getting the establish kingdom decision to pop up?

[untold umbra]

have you done the expand settlements decision yet?

[cosmic rapids]

Oh thanks a lot :)

[untold umbra]

i think atlantis might be to far left currently and it seems to be messing with the army movement

i tried to go to the sea in front of the isle and the route it wants to take takes me into the void beyond the world then back up

[wind wing]

I don't think it actually follows that path though. That happens in my game and my dude invariable just goes straight from France or Denmark to Atlantis and ignores the funky route lines.

[stoic orbit]

The adjacencies are a bit borked right now.

[untold umbra]

this is what happens when i try to get off atlantis

[cursive tartan]

so altantis seems to be untextured and is this funny colour of brown