((Random thoughts here but also more religions tied to these elves))
#Events and shit for lore and Procrastination by Victor
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You want to make an elder scrolls with more elves actually. đ Let me tell you that going by color names is racist. đ€Ł
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You want to make an elder scrolls with more elves actually. đ Let me tell you t...
I am going by something else, Deep elves are mostly dwarves, Grey elves would be based on wizards from lord of the rings, Moon, Snow, Sun are you average elves, Aquatic elves would be a race of elves that could build cities in water
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I am going by something else, Deep elves are mostly dwarves, Grey elves would be...
It would be better if you based yourself on elves for whom we have sources like the aes sidhe or the alfar rather than inventing things without depth (with all due respect) and I think that even eastpointed preferred that, even if certain characteristics that you propose could be integrated into more complete elves
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Still just overall base names I could give Aes sidhe, Dark elves and deep elves are already mentioned in the game if you play in africa
We could get into more detail with it lore wise but this atm is just easy event scripts
that can help with events
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Yes but we are looking for more complete names we will say
Afterwards your ideas are welcome, but will be supplemented by other things I imagine
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I can get into more complete names later, just atm thinking of event procs
Like maybe you don't want to be the elf lord
And you discover you have elf blood
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https://discord.com/channels/1179053540161880074/1215396307489783898
Here we list elven culture for example with sources, although in real life they do not exist it is more realistic than naming everything by color
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I can get into more complete names later, just atm thinking of event procs
no problem
Basically let's take your names as labels that allow you to describe your ideas more easily?
(sorry for my english)
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Basically let's take your names as labels that allow you to describe your ideas ...
Basicly yea read fromt he top down and you will see I am just thinking about events that could lead to other types of elfs and or just general events to being a elf
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Oki
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Like the event Echoes of the Ancient Blood I feel could be another way of becoming a elf without the exp
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On the other hand, the lore-crafting forum is not intended to add things in game just to expand the lore, if you want to add events it will have more visibility in feedback
For example in lore-crafting I have a page for my dynasty, the coat of arms, it is not intended to be added in the mod but it is "pretty" and interesting for those who are interested
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Eh this is just my personal channel I made for events and shit for lore and then procrastination of lore I can dive into for houses and stuff
So both events and lore
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Precisely if you potentially want it to be added into play, it would be better to put it in feedback, I'm saying it for you
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Origin of the Elf Myth
Arisen from Cainâs Murder of Able
Some sources seem to think that the elves may have arisen from Cainâs murder of Able. This is the case in Beowulf, which clearly states that elves came to be a race because of this unfortunate event.
Semi-Banished Angels
Other sources seem to think that elves may have been the angels who chose to stay neutral in the fight for Heaven with God facing off against Lucifer. They were banished from Heaven because they did not help God, but because they did not betray him they were not sentenced to Hell. Instead, they were banished to Earth, where they would be come to known as elves.
Lost Children Of Eve
An old Icelandic tale suggests that elves could be the lost children of Eve. The tale states that one day when God was walking through the Garden of Eden, Eve was embarrassed that her children were dirty. She told them to go and hide from God so that she would not have to be embarrassed by God seeing them in their condition.
When God walked up to Eve and asked her where her children were, she lied and said she didnât know. Angry that she would dare to lie to him, God said, âThat which man hides from God, God will hide from man.â From that day forward, Eve never saw her children again.
The tale goes on to suggest that the children became the HuldufĂłlk (the hidden people [elves]) of Iceland.
Reborn into Elves
The Germanic tales which are thought to inspire the first stories of the elves suggest that these beings could be created by the rebirth of the dead. The old Norse texts seem to imply that worship of the elves and worship of dead ancestors are one and the same. This suggests that a person can be reborn into a supernatural creature like the elf when they pass on to the afterlife.
Evidence of this belief can be found in tales like âThe Saga of Olaf the Holyâ in which the kingâs ancestor has a burial mound that is marked as âOlaf, the Elf of Geirstad.â This reflects the belief that the kingâs ancestor became an elf in the afterlife.
The Explanation of Strange Occurrences
Last but not least, it is certainly possible that elves were simply created as a way to explain the unexplainable at the time. This is evidenced by some of the most common events that were blamed on elves â like elf-locks (when a strand of hair was found to be knotted).
This would have also helped people to reconcile with unfortunate events like the birth of a deformed baby. It certainly would have been easier to dispose of a child that put the new family at risk if it was thought to be an elf changeling instead of their own offspring.
Divine, Demonic, or Something In-Between: How the Changing Face of Elves Reflects the Zeitgeist
Just as human culture has changed over the centuries, supernatural creatures also change with time. For example, elves were originally a type of nature spirit similar to Nymphs in Greek mythology. During the Middle Ages, however, they gained a more sinister reputation as a cause of mischief and disease. They were often thought of as either changelings or hidden folk. This may have been partly because elves had to be modified to fit into a Christian worldview.
Becoming Less Human
The ancient Norse elves lived in Alfheim, which literally means âhome of the elvesâ or âelf-land.â The most prominent elves were light elves who were associated with the god Odin. They were very similar to humans except they had a stronger connection to nature and were immortal. In contrast to the light elves, there were the dark elves who were associated with death and considered malevolent. Like nymphs, these elves were capable of breeding with humans.
Nymphs or Naiads would lure men to their watery graves.
Nymphs or Naiads would lure men to their watery graves. (Public Domain)
During the Middle Ages, elves began to become less human. For one thing, they became smaller. Male elves were considered ugly tricksters while female elves were beautiful maidens who could be just as devious. They were known to lure men into secluded places with their beauty and kill them. Many diseases and strange occurrences were blamed on elves. For example, some sicknesses were called âelf-shotâ because they were believed to be caused by arrows fired from magic elfin bows. Infants born with unusual deformations or birthmarks were said to be âelf-marked.â
Icelandic âHidden Folkâ
In Medieval Iceland, fairy-like elves were present, but Icelandic lore also described another version of elves. These elves were considered to have a sinister side but they were more human-like. In Iceland, they were, and are still known today as, the âhidden folk.â They are said to resemble humans but are invisible and dwell partly in a different dimension or plane of existence. They are, however, able to make themselves visible to humans when they so desire and will occasionally have romantic human-elf liaisons.
In one story that originates from Iceland, elves were descendants of Adam. According to this particular origin story, God visited Adam and Eve one day to see their children. There were some children whom Eve was too ashamed to show to the Lord, so she hid them. In response, God told her that the children she hid would forever be unseen and would dwell apart from all other descendants of Adam, living in the hills and forests.
One of the primary ways to differentiate one of the hidden folk from a human was religion. The elves were generally considered to be pagans and worship the old gods, while humans were assumed to be Christians. It is possible that this could reflect the slow process of Christianization in Iceland.
Icelandic stories of elves post-dating the arrival of Christianity appear to reflect the increasing invisibility and marginalization of Norse paganism. The Icelandic elves faded into invisibility in the same way that lingering Icelandic pagans may have faded into social and cultural invisibility in the process of Christianization.
Demonizing Elves
Another way that Medieval Christians fit elves into their worldview was to relate them to demons or beings that were somewhere between angels and demons and different from humans. As a result, elves ended up being recast either as demonic beings or creatures that were roughly equivalent to humans.
The reason that they were never considered angels may have been because pre-Christian Norse elves were aligned with specific gods. Because of this, they could not be servants of the Judaeo-Christian God and had to be either evil or deviant in some way.
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But elf mythology is older than Christianity
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Most of us are familiar with elves, dwarfs, sidhe, satyrs, nymphs and the Tuatha de Danann- but what of their equivalents from the African continent? Here are a few of the âgood folkâ that wander the grasslands and forests of West Africa:
The Aziza/Azizan:
According to Carol Roseâs scholarly âAn Encyclopedia of Sprits, Fairies and Leprechaunsâ, the Aziza are the âlittle peopleâ of those communities which formerly made up the Dahomey Kingdom in West Africa (whose borders existed within the modern nation of Benin). They inhabit the deep forests and had a relationship with the hunters who ventured into them. The Aiziza have conferred some of their knowledge of supernatural powers onto these hunters, who in turn have since introduced this knowledge to human society. For this, the Aziza were propitiated.
The âEncyclopedia of Fairies in World Folklore and Mythologyâ by Theresa Bane gives similar information, but adds: âConsidered to bring luck with them, the Aziza were often called upon by the native people for assistance in hunting and luck in general.â
The book âAfrican Myths of Originâ by Stephen Belcher records a story from the Fon (the dominant ethnic group of the Dahomey Kingdom), wherein a hunter whose wife suffered from leprosy came across a mound of earth inhabited by an azizan. The azizan spoke to the hunter, who never saw it with his own eyes, and presented him with a remedy composed of plants from the forest. The azizan offered to provide more remedies if the hunter returned with descriptions of the ailments that afflicted his people. The hunter returned on multiple occasions and the azizan kept his word. Eventually, the king of the country himself visited the mound and, after making various offerings, told the azizan âthat in his land they had no means of curing sicknesses, and asked the azizan to provide him with remedies.â The azizan âgave the king of the country many of the Vodun [gods] who are now worshipped there [...] and the king took them back.â
The gods referred to here are the deities of the Fon religion, or Vodun. Fon religion and folklore survived in the New World in the form of Voodoo.
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- The Mmoatia:
According to Carol Rose, this is the title given to a group of Little People in West African folklore. The Ashanti believe that they are the âguardian spiritsâ of the wilderness and of the animals that live there.
âThe Annotated African-American Folktalesâ by Maria Tartar and Henry Louis Gates Jr. records a number of Black American folktales as well as their African analogues. The collection has a West African tale titled: âHow the Sky Godâs Stories Came to be Known as Spider Stories.â
In this tale, Anansi the Spider (a trickster hero) asks the Sky God Nyankapon for the price of his stories. The Sky God replied that âThey cannot be brought for anything except Onini the Python, Osebo the Leopard, Mmoatia the Fairy and Mmboboro the Hornets.â Anansi then agrees to capture all of these things and bring them back to the Sky God.
Anansi tricked the Mmoatia by creating a doll with yams in her hand and plastered with tree sap. When one of the Mmoatia spotted the doll, she was fooled into thinking it was a real child, and asked it for some yams. Anansi through his trickery made the doll appear to reply by nodding its head. After bringing along one of her sisters, they ate the yams, but when they thanked the doll there was no reply. Enraged, one of the sisters slapped the doll and her hand became stuck the sap. Her sister prompted her to strike it with her other hand and then to push it with her stomach, but the other fairy only became more stuck. Anansi then revealed himself and took the fairy, along with a captured python, leopard and hornetâs nest, to the Sky God, whereupon Anansi received the great deityâs stories.
The Ijimere
The Yoruba (an ethnic group primarily found in Nigeria) are known for their profound impact on the cultures of the Black Diaspora and for the vitality and longevity of their traditional beliefs. A sizeable portion of the Yoruba still practice their ancestral traditions in West Africa, and their religious influence includes New World manifestations of their faith such as Santeria and Candomble.
According to Roseâs encyclopedia, Ijimere is âthe collective name for a group of spirits in the West African Folklore of the Yoruba People.â These âlittle peopleâ inhabit the depths of the forests and the wild places in the country of Nigeria.
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oki
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Not sure if to add Djinn lore
because its a mix between elvish and there own thing
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Not sure if to add Djinn lore
originally the jinn are spirits a bit like the nymphs, but with time and the rapprochement with Christianity they have become syncretized, but in any case whether it is the jinn or the Christian elves neither of the two are really elves
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Drift Like A Cloud, Flow Like Water
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