Upcoming: Mid-Season Update 🛠🧱⏳

[night skiff]

Hello Adventurers!
A mid-season update is coming next week, bringing some changes across the board.

We’ll be making some much-requested adjustments to a few of the Barbarian class’s skills, including Undying Rage, Berserk, and Jump Attack.
As mentioned in earlier posts, we’re cautious about making major changes that could heavily impact overall gameplay, but we’ll continue to fine-tune class balance - especially when certain classes feel excessively strong or weak.
We’ll be monitoring your feedback and gameplay data closely, so if you have thoughts on class performance after the update, we encourage you to share them. Your input helps shape what gets improved in the next season.

Matchmaking rules are also being adjusted slightly to better pair you with Adventurers at a similar level of survival and combat ability, helping your adventures feel fairer and more engaging.

Additionally, a season-exclusive item collection event is also on its way, so be sure to check the #📝│patch-notes channel next week for full details!

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안녕하세요, 모험가 여러분!
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업데이트 이후에도 모험가님들의 피드백과 데이터를 면밀히 모니터링할 예정이니, 의견이 있으시다면 언제든지 공유해 주세요. 여러분의 목소리는 다음 시즌의 개선 방향을 결정하는 데 큰 도움이 됩니다!

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패치와 함께 시즌 한정 아이템 이벤트도 시작될 예정이니, 자세한 정보는 다음 주에 공개될 패치노트를 꼭 확인해 주세요!

[tranquil tendon]

Keep up the good work.💪❤️

I really liked the new content.
Soulstones, Shadow Realm and Arena are fantastic.

[trim fable]

Cleric still needs an evade

[plucky hollow]

A cooldown for some of the soul stones would be good too

[vivid bluff]

Just make clerics faster. They move like a snail at 200ms

[flat spear]

nerf tf outta the golem core soulstone so broken

[slate gale]

That’s a damn lie

[next trench]

Great! Only 5 more classes to go!!!

[high quest]

Thank u Jesus

[plucky hollow]

It's really not

[high quest]

I was praying for this moment

I hope it’s good

[plucky hollow]

Compared to freeze, poison, or bleed

[scenic canopy]

Skill issue

[keen hamlet]

Can't wait when the game will lauch globally.

I am waiting from February 😂

[plucky hollow]

As a barb player it hurts to see my main 3 skills get nerfed

[next trench]

You're always the first one to hate on barbs in every post I see hahaha ik you're happy

[proven heron]

I agree

[toxic crow]

Nerf mimic door/barrel & bezerker in inferno

[vapid bobcat]

add bard!!!!!!!!

[plucky hollow]

Like bro undying, berserker, and jump attack all getting nerfed will prob kill barbs

[proven heron]

His slowness doesn't justify his tankiness

[scenic canopy]

Yup

Those the only things holding barb up

[high quest]

I’ve been saying it sense season 1

[plucky hollow]

Exactly

[proven heron]

Yeah, just falling strike and undying rage

[high quest]

No one was on my side until now

[proven heron]

So barbs now have to play the actual game

[plucky hollow]

Didn't they also say berserker?

[next trench]

It's nuts it has taken this long

[scenic canopy]

We all hated barbs

[proven heron]

I mean, the only skills they should nerf

[raven forge]

The great barb nerf is here. Bask in the glory

[vapid bobcat]

bard would be great on mobile

[plucky hollow]

Berserker isn't even that powerful

[high quest]

Barbs when they finally have to turn their brains on

[round bough]

Hey hey hey goodbye barbs!

[proven heron]

I said falling strike and undying rage

[next trench]

They should make barbs a buff stacking class that relys on positive all or nothing trades. Not a undying demi God

[toxic crow]

Berserker (mob) needs nerf not the barb skill 💀

[plucky hollow]

In the post it says undying berserk and jump attack

[proven heron]

And braindead spam falling strike until something happebs

[heavy haven]

finally gonna buff barb, barb is soooooo weak

[raven forge]

Me now able to just FaCe tank burrr?

[round bough]

It doesn't say nerf imagine they buff it

[plucky hollow]

I hope so.

[proven heron]

It's what I think they should nerf

[lime dust]

So this day has finally come 🔥

[next trench]

For me it's the fact you can get fear combo and even if you outplay they can undying into heals, e stone, or just w key your face

[cold wadi]

everyone hates barbs when there are maybe 5 good barbs still playing this game
just remove undying and force clash fear ggs

[plucky hollow]

Yea undying and jump attack should get nerfed, but pls leave berserker the eff alone

[high quest]

If the nerfs are bad fighter gonna be be next best class but at least it can die

[toxic crow]

Barb is toxic play and useless other then for arena dead ahh

[round bough]

Also impact on 2h warmaul ......

[hallow inlet]

🥺 DO NOT NERF BARBS NOOO

[cold wadi]

freeze fighter meta will be soo much more fun than mediocre barbs abusing undying i think

[next trench]

I was gonna quit the game if they didn't make good changes ong

[high quest]

100%

[plucky hollow]

Needing a 100k+ item to actually compete in the meta is not good for the game.

[low stag]

Soul stones don’t work as intended

[lime dust]

I haven't play back since they nerf mages so hard

[raven forge]

The golem one is really fucky

[plucky hollow]

Soul stones need to have a cooldown.

[toxic crow]

Throwing knife + rapier needs to be fixed for rouge not being able to use knife throw cause the rapier is so dumb

[proven heron]

Yeah but falling strike zwei 120 DMG concussion 700 ho barb

[vivid bluff]

Agreed

[plucky hollow]

Yea I really liked combat rogue last season with rapier+ throwing knife throw skill but this season you can't do it anymore

[orchid fossil]

Barb nerfs are fine but how are we supposed to catch a ranger or mage?

[hard sand]

Updates are much appreciated, but at least for me, feels like waiting until this far into the season feels really late especially given how strong the feedback was to start

[flint quail]

They need to put the bare handed skills back on fighter

[fiery raft]

Can’t wait for undying rage and falling attack buff!!!

[hard sand]

For me at least, I've already lost steam on this season and not sure if I'll find motivation to come back after. Dunno if others feel the same

[flint quail]

They took the one fun thing to do on fighter away.

[orchid fossil]

Barbarian needs more variety. Only 7 active skills while Wizard has around 20. Throwing Mastery feels weak. Part of the reason the same moves get spammed is there isn’t a lot that is viable. The passives overall are fun though.

[abstract beacon]

Or a 20 second speed boost lol

[upbeat sundial]

What??? I think undying rage is not "OP" man. . So ur telling me the one skull that I usually equip to give me a 10 percent better chance in not dying and losing all my stuff while in hell or nightmare cuz I can have 6 seconds(which it only feels like actually 3 sec...) to escape thru a portal in time... is going to be changed ? :/ hobbies that gunna be good . If it was that OP , I wouldn't die as much as I do man.

[vale phoenix]

W Barbs are finally being nerved w

[upbeat sundial]

Thank u.. like what ? Cuz j think all other classes should be adjusted also then man.

[next trench]

Def crazy

[upbeat sundial]

Preach brother.. Preach.

[vale phoenix]

You no , skill barbs are finally getting nerved w

[next trench]

https://discord.com/channels/1178572607696687144/1366221487169605712

[undone lintel]

I've seen teams of kitted barbs lose to a single wizard in hell.. if I come here and cry about it then will the freeze get nerfed?

[upbeat sundial]

What ? L Ol

[plucky hollow]

Yea barb isn't OP, it's just that there isn't a high skill ceiling. Barb is a class that can be easily played with 0 skill, and that pisses people off cuz it sucks when you die to someone less skilled than you. But a class like that is necessary for every game because every new player needs an easy class to get into.

[upbeat sundial]

Bro don't be dumb lol... so undying rage it says 6 seconds bht its mkre like 3 it feels, and also I still die most the time right after hitting it . Like it has a 50 percent success chance or something:/ and as for falling strike ya it can be an awsome attack but it's slow like every other barb tactic lol, and ur aim has to be amazing to get heads hot stun

[elder elm]

I see you noob

[upbeat sundial]

So I really don't think barb is O.P every class has its counter.

[vale phoenix]

Oh yes, Barb, Definitely Isn't op It's not like it's Got eight hundred Ihealth And can two Shot people with their following attack / worldWind And Undying Not to mention they have Access to War Mall So maybe stop crying about You're no skill main Is being Evened out

[undone lintel]

@vale phoenix yall are like parrots, lose to barbs cause you clearly have no skill or a decent team and someone the barb has no skill lol yall are wild. Then you come here and sound like you all copy and paste the same comments on a mobile game making the devs think you need some pampering.

[upbeat sundial]

W KEY?

[orchid fossil]

Barbarian is great vs melee but terrible vs ranged.

[plucky hollow]

Whirlwind is literally suicide. If you die to whirlwind that is 100% a skill issue.

[vale phoenix]

Sup I had to see all these Barb mains Cry lol

[elder elm]

Sure is a sight

[next trench]

Most hp, most damage, best cc, good movement, and insane survivability. Hasn't received a single nerf as a class, only buffs.

[vale phoenix]

Oh yeah we have no skill You with nine hundred health Do There's no point arguing with zero brain cells barb Mains

[next trench]

To run right to you non stop

[plucky hollow]

900 health barbs no longer exist

[undone lintel]

I run with 450 and high defense.. yall can't even beat that. Don't need 900 hp

[plucky hollow]

I haven't seen even a single barb above 600.

[elder elm]

Not raw hp right now but I’ve seen Chinese at 800 without guardian core

[next trench]

You dont need 1000 hp only 1 hp and undying and you're good

[vale phoenix]

Saying all of them cry surely does bring a tear to my eye

[undone lintel]

My main kit don't even have 500hp and I haven't lost in in at least the last 40 games

[plucky hollow]

Then they are hacking or that's with war cry Cuz it's literally impossible to get that much with 3 health per vigor

[next trench]

Wish barb was a rage class not a class that makes you rage....

[undone lintel]

We'll see the updates, when a wiz can single handedly wipe a team of barbs in hell with ease, it seems kinda pointless to come to discord crying about "0 skill"

[vale phoenix]

Nothing's impossible when you have no skill

[plucky hollow]

That literally makes no fucking sense.

[upbeat sundial]

Yeah a class with the need to have more health I wonder why? Hmm idk maybe cuz of how slow as fuk it is , and hmm? Maybe also the fact that Barb doesn't have anything that counters range . Other then a shitty throwing axe lol.

Cmon. Make it make sense 🤣

[plucky hollow]

Yea barb is easily countered. And if your crying about "0 skill barb" then you only lost cuz you yourself have 0 skill.

[orchid fossil]

Barb has some strong options but they have extreme weakness to wizard and ranger, especially an elite one.

[plucky hollow]

I haven't lost to a barb a single time this season, only ranger, wiz, or mage cleric.

[upbeat sundial]

Not to mention the slow asss shit action speed. My Gosh the time my barb takes a swing I can get a full night's rest in haha

[plucky hollow]

One time I had a rogue get around me and backstab me by the time my swing finished

[upbeat sundial]

Exactly bro

[plucky hollow]

Barb is an easy class to play, but it's supposed to be that way. It's really easily countered if you have even a single brain cell and don't try to fight barb melee.

Even as a fighter you can win if you use buckler and evade well.

[upbeat sundial]

Idk how ppl can sit here ans not understand that things that are a classes positives, have mostly equal negatives.

[vale phoenix]

Really explain why they nerf
the crap out of Rogue then

[upbeat sundial]

Okay well sometimes nering is needed m

[plucky hollow]

I dislike the rogue nerf too, and have talked against it even in this post. If you actually open your eyes and read you'd know that.

[upbeat sundial]

Devs are only human so ya.

[vale phoenix]

Please tell me how a rogue can counter a barb with eight hundred health

[vale phoenix]

You really think i'm going to read eight hundred messages to see your one lol I just got here

[plucky hollow]

Once again those do not exist anymore. The biggest amount of health I've seen was 664 and that was with a 840 equipment score.

[undone lintel]

@vale phoenix well you counter it by not having 0 skill

[vale phoenix]

Says the barb main

[upbeat sundial]

Wanba know how? U either use cloak and kill barb when he's hurt or backstab. Or u nust troll em ans steal shit from him and then Run abd escape with loot wwhike his slow ass tried to catch u lmao

[vale phoenix]

No point arguing with zero brain cells. Barb Mains

[gaunt terrace]

Golem one wouldnt be that annoying if barriers would allow the target to actually be cced by all ccs

[plucky hollow]

I used rogue the entirety of last season until they nerfed it this season, and I won almost 100% of my barb fights. You just have 0 skill and 0 brain cells and just mad you got shit on by some bot.

[upbeat sundial]

How can you say that ? I'm answering your questions and giving you valid responses i feel

[vestal hazel]

i personally think anyone who only plays nightmare shouldnt have a valid opinion purely because they dont understand the game

[plucky hollow]

Also true.

[upbeat sundial]

Like the way ur explaining the frustration with how a rough supposed to counter a Barb, is same situation I feel wheb I see a strong wizard or a ranger that's across the dungien shooting at me

[undone lintel]

@vale phoenix I've died to rogues, ones with skills. As a barb I couldn't even keep up when I party with my top rogues.. I'd be lucky to get a kill while they wipe the lobby. Again, get out of nightmare and run hell, you'd learn barbs don't win every fight.

[vestal hazel]

barb is easy to counter

[plucky hollow]

In fact in hell barbs lose almost every fight.

[upbeat sundial]

Especially if I'm half dead n trying to not lose all my shit cuz I just fought a mini boss.

[vestal hazel]

barbs lose literally nearly every matchup, people just dont want to learn the game

[plucky hollow]

A skilled barb is way better than a 0 skill barb, but still way worse than a skilled fighter, ranger, cleric, or wizard, or fuck it even rogue. Barb wins almost every fight in hard and nm but loses almost every hell game.

[orchid fossil]

Tbh I think a lot of people saying barb is op are the guys that just stand there and die, barely aware what is going on.

[plucky hollow]

Because there are many barb counters in every single class, and it's so easy to use them. I main Barb and whenever I play a different class it's so easy to kill barbs I wonder how I even win any of my fights.

[young kiln]

Zweihander, spear n maul need nerfed. The way over powered for the range they get

[plucky hollow]

Yea, maul needs to be nerfed so that it can't perma stagger, spear need to be nerfed for range, and zwei needs range nerf as well

[verbal anvil]

The problem is it's also a huge portion of barbs main skill. The variety in builds is very rare for barb

[plucky hollow]

Exactly, they are nerfing almost every single barb with this. Barbs skills suck ass except for savage roar, frenzy, and undying.

We have some of the worst skill varieties. Every class has some healing, movement speed, or good buffs except for Barb.

[undone lintel]

@plucky hollow well for shadow realm at least there's a variety of options, I'm usually top dmg with an axe and skills I'd never use in pvp

[stoic whale]

So many tears....

[plucky hollow]

Yea combo strike is useless in pvp but so good in shadow realm.

[undone lintel]

@plucky hollow verrry much agree

[plucky hollow]

You may be laughing now but when half the player base quits because there class is complete fucking garbage and it kills the game you won't be laughing.

They already killed rogue, almost killed wizard, and now they are killing barb.

[stoic whale]

It's already dead because the brain dead toxic trash like yourself.

[undone lintel]

Give the barb a buckler

[plucky hollow]

And how exactly am I brain dead? Or toxic?

[undone lintel]

So much hostility here.. post your stats if you're gonna talk a big talk

[plucky hollow]

My stats ain't that good with Barb, which probably proves even more how it isn't that good. I've died in almost every single hell match simply because I can't catch the rogues, wizards, or rangers.

[stoic whale]

Good night Tardarians.

[plucky hollow]

Especially in hell where the mobs can actually deal decent damage, as a ranger all you need to do is keep running away and the mobs will kill the barb before he gets to you.

[undone lintel]

@plucky hollow barbs definitely don't run hell, need a good wiz at least and another good counter.

[plucky hollow]

Exactly, running solo hell is just impossible for Barb. These people are just mad because they lost their shit to a barb in castle, but they forget that the barb had 2 other players to make up for their weaknesses

I have never seen a 3 barb team, which probably shows exactly why barb doesn't work in high level/skill pvp.

[undone lintel]

Yeah, we'll see what the nerfs do. Rogue was definitely killed by nerfs.. I never lost a single match last season with Billy and knives.. I said it already, couldn't keep up and hardly got kills with them. They still run rogues but not as OP as last season

[plucky hollow]

I only died to 2 combat rogues this season, one because they fought me for like 2 min with poison, other because he was just that much more skilled than me. Last season they actually had viable strategies unlike this season

They need to buff rogue now, because they absolutely butchered them this season

[gaunt terrace]

Yall need to chill out. Yes they’re nerfing barb skills but they said they weren’t going to go over the top. I’m sure your class will be js fine…

[plucky hollow]

Oh yeah? Just like they didn't go over the top with rogue? Or wizard?

[undone lintel]

Peace out, I'm off to grind some shadow realm before bed. Without the passives being used, undying is nothing. The best sets of skills are limited for pvp and sacrifice the other passives that are dps based, undying still gets a barb to 1 hit and stunning prevents healing regardless..

[plucky hollow]

Yea if a barb uses undying you already won.

[undone lintel]

@plucky hollow exactly. Just a shield smack and they stay 1 hit.. half these people probably don't enter hell or they'd know

[gaunt terrace]

Wasn’t there someone saying that wizard still can beat a full team of barbs (which I honestly think is a skill issue), any skilled wizard can play js as well as any other skilled player

[plucky hollow]

They can, but only because of range. They made wiz much more skilled than reliant which is good, but also nerfed them. They should have picked one. A good wiz beats barbs any day because wiz has stagger, more movement speed, and fire which basically counters undying.

[undone lintel]

Frost can beat a team of barbs in hell, nm and hard are a completely different ball game. The point here is people lose to barbs in nm and usually not even in hard as much

[plucky hollow]

Yea barb is OP in hard and nm but basically worthless by himself in hell. The problem is that these nerfs will make Barb worthless in all 3 modes

[high quest]

A wizard can’t kill anything

[vestal hazel]

bro triple barb is dogshit 💀 why are people complaining about it

[gaunt terrace]

A skilled barb will utilize their surroundings to force a ranged person to engage or completely leave the fight by using doors, walls, and pillars

[vestal hazel]

exactly

[gaunt terrace]

We don’t know the nerfs yet so we don’t know that

[plucky hollow]

Oh yeah, let's just hope they get it right on the 3rd time.

[vestal hazel]

if you walk into a small room knowing ur going to fight a barb, thats on you, thats not class diff

[plucky hollow]

Exactly. And if a barb walks into a big room that's on him

[gaunt terrace]

That’s what I’m saying

[vestal hazel]

yeah XD i dont play in the open as a barb, if im playing in the open u might as well take my kit for free

[undone lintel]

@high quest looks like some heavy hitters entered the chat. To nerf or not to nerf?

[high quest]

Wym

[plucky hollow]

I think a need is honestly necessary, I just worry they will overdo it like they did with rogue

[undone lintel]

@high quest you think undying needs a nerf?

[vestal hazel]

only nerf required is undying movespeed, and honestly without undying, a rogue will literally one tap a barb + outrun + burst

[high quest]

10000%

[plucky hollow]

Yea 30% move speed buff is way too much. Make it 15% max

[gaunt terrace]

My main gripe with barb was undying bcz I’ve seen barbs pop that and surg kit or js pop that and full sprint with clash toward me. That was my only issue with barb and personally the only thing I’d nerf abt it, but maybe the other nerfs won’t be bad enough to kill it

[plucky hollow]

And remove the damage buff

[undone lintel]

@high quest I agree with cultist, lower move speed. Undying also cost a passive skill to really be effective

[vestal hazel]

ngl u can stop a surg kit on basically any role other than ranger, unless u have windlass

[high quest]

And wizard

[plucky hollow]

Yeah, being able to pop a surge while being unkillable is absurd.

[vestal hazel]

mf u have FREEZE ON FREEZE

[gaunt terrace]

The falling attack recovery should also not be ignorable by using clash or evade imo (affects both barb and fighter)

[high quest]

Freeze isn’t 100%

[plucky hollow]

Fireball, explode, freeze, lightning stagger?!?!

[high quest]

Theirs no stagger and fireball and explosion are ass

[gaunt terrace]

Kick now works as well with ranger but the barb could js stop surg kitting and two tap you if you get that close

[vestal hazel]

oh wow

[high quest]

The only good spells are ice everything else is bad

[plucky hollow]

Bro in the time it takes to surge you can cast fireball/explode 5 times over

[vestal hazel]

honestly tho, make a high rank channel cuz barbs are literally free kits for any fighter

[undone lintel]

Hell wizards seem to have 100% freeze, can't do shit when frost enters the room and has me permafroze

[high quest]

Ye let me hit him with my 60 dmg fire ball yep

[plucky hollow]

Yea I just don't go into hell anymore with Barb

[undone lintel]

🥲

[high quest]

It’s only good in trio

[plucky hollow]

It's not the damage it's to prevent surge kit, also fireball can make them catch on fire which prevents heal by 50%(with passive) and being on fire, bleeding, or poison is insta death as soon as undying ends.

[undone lintel]

@high quest I can agree with that, it's the shield classes that wreck me in solo

[high quest]

Ye let me get them low real quick WAIT I only do 60 dmg well im dead in 2 hits

[plucky hollow]

You still have freeze and plenty of time.

[high quest]

Yep let my freeze that does 30 dmg get him low

[undone lintel]

It all depends on the team. No team is complete in hell without range, communication and strategies.

[high quest]

Wizard is just a support that doesn’t do anything else

[plucky hollow]

Only proves my point. They fucked wiz, they fucked rogue, and they will probably fuck barb.

[gaunt terrace]

Actually lemme post that in general

[high quest]

I mean they don’t really fuck wizard it’s just their nerfed collection and the only reason wizard was good at was cuz of that but it’s good that they nerfed collection

But they need to buff wizard spells they all suck ass except ice ofc

[undone lintel]

Goodnight fellas 🥲

[plucky hollow]

Nah they should cut mana consumption, nerf bind and shield rush. Buff other skills of barb(so that when they nerf undying it doesn't completely kill the class and gives more variety) buff rogue in general, and keep ranger as is.

[elder elm]

triple barb is too strong. I remember entering library ahead of my team and all 3 of them took turns fearing me while the 2 not fearing falling attacked me. By the time my team was even close I was dead already.

[plucky hollow]

No shit you died in a 1v3?

[elder elm]

Can’t out run them as a rogue

My naked rogue can’t outrun plate wearing barbs. Make it make sense

[plucky hollow]

Yeah cuz you ran straight into them, and they all used their only skill that can actually help them reduce the movement speed gap.

[plucky hollow]

Skills. Same as with bind, or the fighter skill, or if they were rangers and just took turns kicking you, or if they were wizard and they just froze you.

[elder elm]

I didn’t run into them they literally caught up with me as I was running away

They should nerf barb move speed imo that would do more than all else. They should be the slowest next to clerics

[plucky hollow]

Just as any of the other classes would of, of course they can catch you if they all use their skill

[elder elm]

Let em keep all thier scummy skills but make em slow af

[plucky hollow]

What the fuck? How should they ever counter ranger or wizard then? This is the worst take I have seen in this post so far.

[elder elm]

That’s why you don’t queue 3 barbs Hurr Durr. It’s called a counter for a reason. They should be losing to mage and sometimes ranger

[plucky hollow]

If it was 3 clerics and they just binded you would you say they should nerf cleric speed then?

[high quest]

Triple barbs is bad all it takes is 2 barbs and a wizard to beat that

[elder elm]

When have you ever seen 3 clerics one time.

[plucky hollow]

No, because that's a bad strategy just like 3 barbs.

[elder elm]

Bingo

[plucky hollow]

You would have lost that fight no matter what team it was and no matter the class matchup they had. You ran into a full team and got killed no fucking shit bro

[elder elm]

Idk about barbs really just as a rogue main I feel weak to everything and barbs are 90% of my deaths in hell.

[plucky hollow]

Probably because they nerfed the shit out of rogue this season. This isn't a reason to nerf barb it a reason to buff rogue.

[elder elm]

Like I can out play/outmaneuver everything else but it only takes one fruit cup barb with a fear and a falling attack and games over

[plucky hollow]

Just like fighter with taunt, or cleric with bind

[elder elm]

No cause they can’t close the gap line a barb can

[plucky hollow]

Shield rush for fighter, and clerics don't even rlly need to close the gap.

[elder elm]

And you can dodge bind and look away from taunt. You can out pov the fighter rush. But no skill Barb you can be running away from they will catch you cause they are faster and fear you into a wall.

[plucky hollow]

The only way a barb can be faster than a rogue is if they aren't wearing armor except for boots.

[elder elm]

There’s no counter for the fear at all. Nothing you can do

[high quest]

Fear is the most balanced skill for barb

[elder elm]

How can I be afraid of something I can’t even see

[plucky hollow]

Exactly out of all the skills you chose to complain about fear?

Like if you ran into 3 wizards and they just froze you and you died instantly would you complain to nerf freeze? Or 3 rogues and they backstabbed you and left handed stabbed you till you died would you say to nerf rogue?

[elder elm]

I don’t run into 3 wizards every game. I run into 2barbs and a cleric or 3 barbs in 780+gs. There’s a reason you don’t see these other team compositions. It’s cause they aren’t as easy or op as barb stacking

[high quest]

90% of player base is barbs

[plucky hollow]

Barb stacking is so fucking easy to counter. What you're saying right now is literally just you having a skill issue.

[elder elm]

Lmao 🤣 well I shared my opinion you don’t have to agree with it.

[plucky hollow]

I certainly don't.

[high quest]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-tweaking-tweak-freaking-out-freak-out-gif-15844619383535388547

[elder elm]

As a rogue tell me how you counter barb stacking

[high quest]

Ye what u need is the unique dagger and a bis kit

[elder elm]

Oh ok so 300k kit like Dpup got it easy :/

[high quest]

Ye

[elder elm]

But let’s say we’re evenly geared both in 620 purple kits. There is not a thing I could do to kill the barb

[plucky hollow]

Again, that's not barb being op but rogue getting nerfed this season.

[elder elm]

I know I’ve admitted class bias here. I but regardless it’s clear there is a balance issue and as they aren’t buffing rogue nerfing barb closes that gap a little for me.

That’s why I’m happy about it. I’m sure it would suck if I mained barb. But I don’t I main rogue and I’m used to getting farmed.

[plucky hollow]

For you yes, but what about the majority of the player base(barbs) now being useless against other classes?

[elder elm]

This nerf will not make barb useless. It’s only going to raise the skill threshold to play barb. Only the dog shit players are gonna not be able to barb out.

[plucky hollow]

Thing is, that's not 100%. Because they are nerfing the main strengths of barb.

[elder elm]

The devs Main barb they won’t make themselves useless bra

[plucky hollow]

Wait, the devs main barb? You know they didn't specify that they were going to nerf barb.

[elder elm]

Nah they’re increasing diversity and versatility of barbs. they won’t all have the same skills anymore

[plucky hollow]

Yea, if they nerf undying and berserker they need to buff the other skills to make them viable.

[vestal hazel]

bro i hope everyone realizes that fighter is the most played in solos hell atm

among the higher ranked players at least, not the 580 barb

[high quest]

Most definitely fighter gonna be the next class that’s gonna be the best

[plucky hollow]

Yep, fighter is busted at a high gear/skill level.

[elder elm]

Not once they fix the long bow

[high quest]

Fighter has everything a class wants

[vestal hazel]

not even gear, its just skill gap

[elder elm]

Once long bow is fixed magic ranger > all else

[plucky hollow]

Yea fighter is extremely well balanced right now.

[vestal hazel]

plenty of people in 650- 750 range beating 800s all becuz fighter smokes every class

[plucky hollow]

Is that a 350 dmg attack? And then people say that barb is op.

[elder elm]

Yes it is 🙂

And I don’t even have the inquisitors soul which will add about 60 more dmg

[plucky hollow]

Yea that plus the range and versatility of ranger, and people dare complain about barb?

[elder elm]

Well it’s bugged rn. Next Tuesday I can justify any complaints about range r

[plucky hollow]

Like you will literally 2 hit a barb from 20-30 meters. And the barb will have to pop undying but die as soon as it ends because of burn.

[elder elm]

😉 now your getting it.

[plucky hollow]

And they are nerfing barb now. What the actual fuck? A 400 damage ranged attack shouldnt even be fucking possible.

[fallen flame]

When will the global launch be?

[severe light]

barb is not a problem anymore

with soulstone rouge just became new barb and destroy every gamemode

[plucky hollow]

Yeah, if the devs see a 400 damage ranged attack and still think "you know what the issue? That barb!" I'll genuinely fucking quit

[plucky hollow]

As well as perma freeze rogue.

[north ridge]

FINALLY

[lime helm]

A whole patch dedicated to destroying my class.

[fair sparrow]

Skill issue

[plucky hollow]

Nah, ranger or fighter is next. They are slowly killing classes one by one.

Next season when your class gets fucked over we'll be laughing at you too.

[gaunt terrace]

Genuinely how do you have such high phys and mag dmg? Your gs must be insane to be able to reach that. Unfortunately (actually fortunately bcz this would be broken) is a very small minority of rangers somehow hitting this (he’s the only one ik) so I don’t think rangers deserve to get a nerf

[elder elm]

I have single handedly been petitioning for them to fix the long bow skill since the 19th every other ranger I have talked to first doubted me ridiculed me for using the long bow. But every single one has been mildly humbled in the training ground. I have been sharing this with a select few and giving them the ability to preemptively gear up while it is cheap. Soon the arena will be ours. Anyways if you want to see my gear my ign is podium I am number 28 on the arena LB. I have 67 magic power

[brazen pike]

Atleased nerfing barb is a good thing

Gotta see other changes

[tranquil tendon]

Next will be the barbarian.
And after the barbarian, it will be the barbarian again. It has hardly been touched since the soft launch until now, while other classes like the Rogue and the Wizard have been nerfed twice.
The Ranger is now more playable, can do more builds and is more fun and balanced at the same time.
The devs have done a good job.
I don't think the devs will nerf the Ranger just because there will be nerfed barbarians crying about it.
Sorry but now it's your turn.

[zenith remnant]

ur just bad

[trim fable]

Wasn’t as bad as the lighting wiz but yeah undying is too op for a vigor crit class
#RipLootRogue

[fiery raft]

Somebody said loot rogue

I’m here, let’s get in those pockets

[trim fable]

On my way to work boss I’ll be digging in an hour

[fiery raft]

Lmk later if you wanna go steal from people

[trim fable]

Oh hell yeah!

[visual gorge]

Yea they need to do is cap barbs healt pool instead of nerfing him would be alot simpler

[trim fable]

Does anyone else have a bug with the Viking sword? Every other hit doesn’t register for me..

[elfin kindle]

It's not even mid season by the time it drops, it's a damn lie ur concerned about it impacting play. If it was ur concern ud been on this quicker. And it wouldn't explain why u nuked rouge from orbit like 2weeks into kot. Outside of it hurt ur guys bottom line

[rapid oasis]

I see barbs will actually have to get more than a couple brain cells to rub together

[jade laurel]

Sometimes we have to admit user error. Every time I switch to a class that is supposedly OP, my first reaction is ," This isn't OP. It sucks cloacas!" Then I realize the common factor is me.

[proud tangle]

And what about wiz ?🥺

[fleet anvil]

Please fix the bug of inquisitor soulstone! It cannot be triggered by most skills of mage, and cannot be equipped with golem core

[hallow inlet]

imo i run into some variation of that fighter build that seems to have a much easier time chasing me in hell caves. high agility focused ppl who swap a lot and use halberd reach alongside the reg buckler loadout, they def skilled at movement/juking tho 😭. doesn't mean all the barbs i met aren't good enough to kill me tho just had it harder than fighters if i was actually paying attention. (although i play 580-620 rat sets and am quite squishy so barbs still 2 tap) i dont play hell castle enough to know whats going on there

[long sand]

make cleric great again and nerf the unique ghost king soul stone, the freeze is op as hell

[tranquil tendon]

Yes buff cleric, no Nerf soulstones please.😑

[long sand]

it can freeze you for 2 seconds and the cooldown is only 3 seconds so by the time your unfrozen your either dead or instantly frozen again

if someone like a rogue or falchion fighter is attacking you they are basically guarenteed to get a freeze from their high attack speed

[tranquil tendon]

I have this Soulstone and tested it, the slowdown is there (30%) but the freezing has a fairly low chance, 10%.
That means you need at least 10 hits to freeze.
If you are a Rogue and you hit your opponent 10 times, you kill him before you freeze him.
PS:
I suspect you only write like this because you don't have one.

[long sand]

i’ve fought my friends in village on rogue vs rogue and basically if a rogue freezes you you instantly die, by the time it’s over you are either 50 hp and then re stunned or dead

[tranquil tendon]

It is a remote possibility, it can happen one time in 10.

It is more likely that Cockatrice Roar will be activated.

[long sand]

cockatrice roar is awful it just sounds good, and on my on my rogue i attack at about 2.5 hits a second

all i have to do is poke someone and run away repeat until they’re frozen and i win, me wanting the soul stone to be nerfed has nothing to do with owning it, i will get it sooner or later and my opinion won’t change

[tranquil tendon]

If you fear Frost touch, use Cockatrice Roar to counter it.

[long sand]

do you have cockatrice roar? i don’t think you understand how awful it is

[tranquil tendon]

I meant with my post above that you not having this Soulstone have not tested it.

[long sand]

i have fought multiple of my friends in village with the soul stone, i have tested this

[tranquil tendon]

YesYes, I have Cockatrice, Frost touch, Demon Fang, Inquisitor, etc.
If you want I can show you a video of how they work, apart from Inquisitor I have tested them all.

[long sand]

same havnt seen anyone use inquisitor yet

[tranquil tendon]

I do, but it is limited, it only works with certain spells.

@long sand if you hit your opponent so hard, you kill him before activating Frost Touch.
But even if you hit him less quickly and do more damage, you kill him earlier.
The possibility is remote.
In practice this Soulstone is more useful against bosses or players who do little damage.
Nerfing it means that players who do more DPS (Barbarians and Rogues), with a huge amount of hp, can continue to do what they do now and create imbalance.
Curiosity, what classes do you play?

Also as you can see, slowing down the player Frost Touch is one of the few defences the other classes have against Shield Rush.

As a Ranger, I could never devise a Melee build like this if the Soulstones are nerfed.
It seems to me that every improvement in the game, it's the players themselves who don't want it, and then complain that it's gone.

[long sand]

i play every class besides wizard this season

your ranger build is just a bad fighter

[tranquil tendon]

I used to play the wizard, then due to the resentment of the players of the other classes towards him, with the Nerfs proposed by them, I no longer play him.
PS: I wasn't one of those players who went TS.

[long sand]

wanna meet in village

[tranquil tendon]

I wouldn't say that.
I can break the opponent's shield guard with Javelin, twice.
I can stagger twice with Short Sword.
I can strike with Spear and Rapier and above all, I can break attacks and effects with Kick.
This is Sparta!

[tranquil tendon]

You are better, I cannot compete against skilled Barbarians and Rogues, the Ranger is a step below them.

[long sand]

oh i was going to be on fighter

[tranquil tendon]

The Fighter is also a step above the Ranger, with Shield Rush and the various types of weapons it can use.
I was already humiliated all last month with the old Ranger, now that it's slightly improved and can use Soulstones, in this thread I'm reading about barbarians wanting to nerf Ranger and Soulstones...
Casuality?

The truth is that the strongest classes left over from last month, barbarians, Rogues and Fighters, do not accept the fact that Soulstones can give all classes (especially the weaker ones) the opportunity to create new unique builds that can balance this game.

The rest is skill and gear, I have neither, but I am good at theorising builds that will be used in the future.

[lime helm]

I probably spend more time joining and leaving lobbies then I do playing the game

All because of zero match making. I’m just thrown against 900 Chinese teams full uniques

[tranquil tendon]

Yes, some players had complained that they were losing at goblin cave and forgotten castle and proposed modes where Gear is not lost....
So now the game is diluted into four different modes: Castle, Cave, Arena, Realm.
It is normal that there are now a quarter of the players in Dungeons compared to two months ago.
It was proposed by the players.
But among the various bad choices players have made over the past months with their feedback, I had to reconsider afterwards, Arena and Shadow Realm are really nice.
Probably during the global release the players in the dungeons will increase, they will mainly log players who play on PC.
The dungeons will be niche, frequented by op players, but they will be frequented.
Now it is normal that with the arena and Shadow Realm the focus is mainly on these two modes.
If players don't spoil it, we will see more new players in a short time.
With the experience of other past games I can say that feedback from players, not engineering graduates, without experience of building a game, without the patience and perseverance to test for a period without complaining, this feedback is not good for games, it ruins them.
Those who have more experience in this, the devs, should take over the evolution of the game by dictating to them how it should evolve.
Example:
For a student's education, is it better to have a curriculum written by the teachers or by the students?
Experience.

[lime helm]

This the bs I zone into forced games

[long sand]

wow now that i have the frost touch soul stone i can really see how absolutely broken it is

[long sand]

no one has the slightest chance of fighting back if they dont also have the stone

[lime helm]

This game has is literally join a lobby leave a lobby, join a lobby leave a lobby, join a lobby leave a lobby, join a lobby get forced into a Chinese fk fest match, die rinse repeat

Can’t even have fun bruhhhhhhh.

[plucky hollow]

Yea they really should let you block all Chinese players

Like it's not even racism but just the fact that like half of them hack, the others all have the same duped equipment, and they team up so fucking much

[tranquil tendon]

Let me give you a practical example.
You have Frost Touch (+10% chance of freezing), I Cockatrice Roar (+15% chance of inflicting fear).
Which effect has the highest probability of occurring first?
While you suffer fear, following your reasoning, I may have time to kill you from behind. This is for the same DPS.
Or I can have time to run away from the opposite side.
There are no Soulstones broken or invincible.
There is always a counter-strategy Chess taught me that.
And sometimes even a pawn can win the queen, you don't necessarily need another queen to win it.

[tranquil tendon]

Read the post I wrote above.

[long sand]

ok but cockatrice roar has a delay and freeze touch not only slows u but also freezes

i would love to just show you directly in village that u have 0 chance of fighting someone with freeze if you do not also have it

[tranquil tendon]

Let me give you a more specific example.
You have Frost Touch, I have Cockatrice Roar.
You hit me and slow me down, but I inflict fear on you before you freeze me (see respective probabilities of the two soulstones).
As soon as you back off I hit you from behind.
Another example:
You manage to freeze me before I inflict fear on you (against all odds, a paradox), the next hit however I inflict fear on you, you run away, for 1.5 seconds and then return to me after 1.5 seconds (same route).
I am unfrozen for one second and for another two seconds I cannot be frozen.
I wouldn't die in this case either.

[long sand]

yeah freeze still wins

and i am more then welcome to try this with you in village

[thorny sequoia]

Lmaoo can't wait cleric buffs they choosing to give me 😂

Then the soulstone and fighter nerf will be the extra icing on top😂

[tranquil tendon]

As soon as I wrote the post, a split second you answered me.
You didn't read anything, you just wanted to write this.
I gave you logical examples and yes, you can die with any Soulstone, they were not created as embellishment items.
I don't like that beyond reason you try to twist things to your advantage.
And no, I am not interested in testing this with you in the village, I have already tested it and provided you with the video above.

[plucky hollow]

Yea but having a cooldown for all stones is still a good thing

Cuz your example is literally "this stone is op? Then use this other op stone instead!" Which doesn't solve anything.

[thorny sequoia]

Lmaoo new fear and taunt mechanic that i request last week will be nice as well also
Trio players be so heavily reliant on this way of fighting it's actually gross that this is the way to play the game next to the hit and run players.💯 💯

Like let's be honest you wanna hit and run wear leather and make sure that vigor roles and physical protection from leather gear isn't good.
Reward the plated players like real dark and darker developers

[long sand]

i’m in trios and i just 1v2ed 2 barbs without taking a single hit because they were both frozen for the majority of the fight seems perfectly balanced, there fear didn’t do shit

[tranquil tendon]

You are suggesting nerfing the game.
Would you like to play a nerfed game?
I don't think you'd like to play a nerfed barbarian.
Do you know why that will happen?
The devs? No, the players who make Nerf feedback.
So then don't complain if no one will play Nerf and Nerfer Mobile anymore (not even you), because you gamers yourselves are the creators of this.
Personally, I think it would also be a good economic strategy to stop following player feedback and have the devs independently develop, by playing, an evolutionary directive for this game free of the self-destructive thinking of this community.

[thorny sequoia]

Barbarians are not being nerfed forever they will recieve new skills and revamps.

[plucky hollow]

The problem with these stones is how much they favor those who have them. It's genuinely impossible to win against someone who has these stones if you don't have them. Adding a cooldown will not make them useless, but only make them more skill reliant.

[plucky hollow]

Did rogue? Or wizard?

[tranquil tendon]

Frost touch already has a cooldown.
Please read.

[plucky hollow]

Yes it does have a cooldown. Of 1 second. That is nowhere near enough, and it's also practically the only one that has one.

[thorny sequoia]

They are going to next season

[tranquil tendon]

3 sec.

[plucky hollow]

These stones are as powerful if not more powerful than active skills, their cooldowns should reflect that.

[thorny sequoia]

I agreed which i hurd they will be removed from pvp entirely when pve comes out

[plucky hollow]

2 seconds of which the player spends being chilled and unable to play. So effectively 1 sec cooldown, which with classes like rogue or fighter which this stone heavily favors also have stagger and stun options. So in that 1 second that you spend unfrozen you get stunned or staggered

[thorny sequoia]

Soulstones will only be used for shadow realm and pve modes😂 😂

[plucky hollow]

Ok that is too much. Soulstones should be able to be used in PvP they just need to be less powerful.

[thorny sequoia]

Nah bad representation of the game and I will push for it to be only for those modes

[plucky hollow]

But that would make soulstones genuinely useless. Soul stones are only good for PvP

[thorny sequoia]

We aren't supposed to bulid outside of skills and gear
The stone idea was just a test and experiment for them just like arena

Lmaoo first thing they told me is not everything is permanent so don't get comfortable grinding for stones lol

[tranquil tendon]

Can you show me a video where you tested Frost touch?
Do you know the cooldown it has (you didn't know), do you know if with a Barbarian one-shot it can freeze before the opponent dies (paradox).
I'm tired of standing here, continuing you who don't know and don't test to build your beautiful Nerf and Nerfer Mobile, which you will no longer play when it happens.

[plucky hollow]

And? It's a very good feature. It was a test, and it was successful. It adds a whole new variety of choice to the game. They should keep it in.

[thorny sequoia]

People will play the game just no more busted mechanics for cheese type players to abuse

[plucky hollow]

Nerfing some things is good. When a part of a game heavily favors the elite then it shouldn't be so readily available. Either make it so that you can't trade stones, or so that they are less powerful.

This game is all about risk and reward, when you take powerful gear into a fight it's possible to lose it, and that adds a risk to it. You cannot lose a stone. Once you have it, you will have it forever. That breaks the balance of the game completely.

[proud tangle]

Yea the freeze touch is broken and no explanation can argue against that

[thorny sequoia]

People should never feel offended for these stupid nerfs they wasn't never going to stay as a big part of the game.

This is why everything will need stacks for effects over % chance

And every weapon should have different stack thresholds
Like Daggers need 10-12 stabs
Zweihander needs 6-7 swings

[proud tangle]

Yeah

[tranquil tendon]

No, Chill's cooldown occurs starting with the thawed opponent, after which he cannot be frozen for three seconds.
You would know this if you knew at all what we are discussing here.
Go and read the description of Chill and inform yourself if you have never tested Frost touch and if you write to write, not because you have a valid reason.
The truth is that when a player gets their class nerfed, the rancorous and self-destructive instinct to nerf everything else takes over.
The other classes, the game content itself, everything.
I get nerfed?
Then this game must die with the Nerfs.
That's what gamers think Unfortunately.
What a toxic community.🤮

[thorny sequoia]

In reality these fights go on for too long or end too short and should be rewarded after the period of the time of player playstyles

[proud tangle]

You have said it all , just when people is stubborn they won’t accept they are not right no matter what, just leave morning star alone , we all gonna vote for nerfing ice touch and that’s what it’s important (if they ever ask us lol)

[thorny sequoia]

Tbh its my fault
I told them to make a unique Flanged Mace with the frost touch effect and they end up making a soulstone for all weapons to use

[tranquil tendon]

"Ice touch"😂🤦‍♂️

[thorny sequoia]

Some of the soulstone reality are unique weapon effects skills and passives for classes
That why I'm taking the blame for the bullshit they twisted my ideas and end up fkin the game more lol

[proud tangle]

Yea bro laught all u want , every one got what I said , you won’t make me feel bad about it tho

[thorny sequoia]

But no one told them to take these actions so in reality not my problem 😂

[plucky hollow]

Soulstones are a good addition to the game and PvP overall, but since they are a permanent item they should be weaker than gear. A unique Soulstones is just as powerful as a unique weapon, and it shouldn't be.

[tranquil tendon]

Soulstones are not a permanent item.
I invite you once again to read the description, they are not a permanent item.
Now excuse me, but I am not really up to the IQ of this conversation and your “reasonable” feedback.👋

[plucky hollow]

Yes you are right, they are semi-permanent. You do not lose them when you die. Just because they get reset at end of season doesn't make them any less OP during season

[tranquil tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[lime helm]

This game only caters to the top 1% rest of us are miserable and have zero chance

The rich get filthy rich and destroy everyone, meanwhile nobody else can grind or build a kit without getting steamrolled every game

I can’t even get a chance to fight lich inferno there ALWAYS some stupidly geared person

[plucky hollow]

Yea but there also isn't enough players to have fair matchmaking

Think they should decrease the amount of teams/players in hell. Make bots less likely

[lime helm]

It’s literally not fair, not fun, and a waste of time

[fiery raft]

I’d like to thank @thorny sequoia for saving this game for the rest of us. Without his extraordinarily creative mind we wouldn’t have this game anymore. We all owe him a debt of gratitude

[lime helm]

Nah bro, this game is ass.

[fiery raft]

We can agree to disagree there

[lime helm]

Only the top 1% get to enjoy it.

[fiery raft]

I’ve enjoyed it since I first started to whatever percentage I am now.

[proud tangle]

X2

[north ridge]

No more barb on barber

[raven forge]

Omg the barb tears are delicious!

[thorny sequoia]

Lmaoo but they didn't get to put all my ideas in the game yet 😂

They just taking half and freestyle the everything else in they're way

[vestal hazel]

how is this a bad thing?

[errant dragon]

When global released?

[keen hamlet]

Official announcement is till mid of year. That is next month June.

And season end on 11 june. So probably that the data of global release

[errant dragon]

Cant wait😌

[elfin kindle]

Idk devs of the normal game don't seem to listen to the players. And still drop the ball

[lime kelp]

Remove Soulstones. Not only are the best ones locked in places only a fraction of the playerbase can achieve reliably, but it makes an entire class unplayable (rogue)

[lime helm]

The see rogue 5m destroys rogues

They already see us every few seconds, rogues stealth is so weak. The best soulstones are only owned by the top 1%

[fiery raft]

Just went against GK frost soulstone for the first time. This shit is seriously broken and needs to adjusted or taken out of the game altogether.

[exotic horizon]

Maybe I’ll be returning from my break lol.

[elfin kindle]

Unless u have freeze and posion soulstone then u just die to all rouges

[carmine dove]

Cope

Ban the goofy ass outfit and put proper blood in the game

[hushed flare]

This isnt true to me. Ice is op in trios but in solos there are other options that are still good but require setting them up

Ice just doesnt have enough dps for solos unless in some op gear since can ignore the freeze with barrier + protection pot

[north ridge]

TONIGHT WE FREAST!

[high quest]

I just said ice is good also no the other spells are bad cuz they do no dmg I’m setting up to die

[elfin kindle]

They won't do red blood due to it not being acceptable in Korean games industry or some crap like that

Plus they also then couldn't sell it in China to milk that money

[torn lynx]

I’ve solved it.
Decrease barb damage. Leave hp
Increase ranger damage, leave hp and no frost
Decrease fighter damage. Leave hp
Increase somersault cooldowns for rogues, and maybe take slight damage
Decrease wizard hp.

[plucky hollow]

Decrease ranger damage and increase health would make it better

[gaunt terrace]

Leave ranger damage alone, nerf shortbow, buff longbow

[elder elm]

No offense but Fuck off with the rogue nerfs.

[thorny sequoia]

Rouge doesnt need nerfs just adjustments

[fallen estuary]

Frost touch is pretty broken if it was only frostbite that would be fine but as a rogue you prolly don't want me having access to this it's gonna be a bad day

[fallen estuary]

Dude it's broken if they made the chance of it proccing based off of your atk speed it wouldn't be so bad but if your frost bite and can't get away from me Ima have max poison stacks in about 2.5 seconds pair this with short sword and castillion and your gonna die almost every time

[fallen estuary]

Dont buy into him if he can't be OP while he slams timmy he won't like it make the unique SS hell only if your in hell you prolly have a good understanding of the game and the levels to back it up and you are paying attention to stats these are incredibly overpowered I'm glad these weren't out preseason one it's gonna make every Timmy hate the game

[fallen estuary]

First reasonable thing you have said man lol if you think these unique stones are balanced in anyway you need help that is a game killer right there if it isn't changed quickly

[fallen estuary]

I didn't think ranger had access to this particular stone 🤔

[torn lynx]

Rogue is actually the most broken class. Somersault poison freeze rogue is absolutely 100% the best solo class. 1v1 anything.

[torn lynx]

Rogue is the most broken class rn.

[elfin kindle]

No sadly we don't, some others have done the testing. Since it's projectile phsyical damage. The damage stones don't work

[plucky hollow]

No it isn't. It's only "powerful" because of the stones, the class itself was nerfed into shit.

[vague jewel]

Me

[vague jewel]

I only play solo hell barb

[torn lynx]

Even it its a rogue specific item. A stone a whatever. It’s still the rogue being the most powerful. Rogue will 1v1 anything.

[plucky hollow]

The stone isn't a rogue specific item?

[torn lynx]

You’re missing what I’m saying.

[plucky hollow]

What are you saying? Because rogue is not the best 1v1 class. Thats fighter.

[torn lynx]

Let’s say it’s an item. Let’s say it’s a stone. Let’s say it’s a costume. It doesn’t matter. The rogue is still the most powerful.

If you poison bleed a fighter with somersault and double jump he will never ever catch you. You bleed and poison his supplies. His shield charge cannot catch you. His sprint won’t catch you. All the while you’re either jumping or stealth. As he bleeds and poisons to death.

As well as let’s say you just don’t fight. The KoT rogues I’ve seen are near on uncatchable. All the while pickpocketing you. Without having to fight you at all.

[royal pilot]

They're walking pools of hp, with 2 stun abilities, 1 good ranged damage ability, and can use heavy weapons. Slow speed is their only weakness.

[hallow inlet]

😭 why not just go village and test it out w shawn

[torn lynx]

I second that. 😂

[hallow inlet]

idk why are you trying to build a close range oriented ranger build and insist on having it be the meta defining ranger build.

[hallow inlet]

as a ranger i have a different perspective on these hypothetical scenarios, my whole gameplan is to avoid closing distance and to keep mid range distance when facing off w someone in caves. preferably as a ranger i'd like to only engage in open areas as well. I've run into fear barbs enough to know that for the most part, unless they are cornering me into an enclosed space, the fear works against them as they still need to catch up to swing & hit w zwei.

i dont mind saying that perhaps the community currently overhypes the frost stone, but whether or not it needs a nerf hopefully we all agree its strong af. And honestly poison rangers seem a bit scarier in some instances to me. but at least in the scenario i face a poison bleed ranger the stones are more of a force multiplier for the skill needed to hit more shots against me when 1v1ing.

i can't speak on other classes but the main scenario that comes into my head as a ranger is in the instance a rogue does manage to close distance, even a 10% chance of them freezing is enough to completely kill my chance of running away and attempting to reset the fight. (and maybe thats just a skill issue on my end)

i will argue on the idea that fighters and barbs are a step above rangers.

rangers already have quite a big advantage against other classes when played "perfectly" as in hitting all your bow shots, because we can deal damage while other classes can't when maintaining enough distance.

its frustrating to not be able to close in on certain kills if the geography doesn't allow for it but it is what it is. I'm just happy to be able to survive encounters, if i die closing in i have to admit that its from my greed. most of the time when i die on my ranger i just have to admit its a skill issue on my end.

[thorny sequoia]

The issue is the soulstone was never was supposed to be this powerful and this was already brought the developers attention people are just not accepting that they will remove the overwhelming effects of the soulstones for more unique armors weapons and accessories

[elder elm]

Ha yea but for the first 4 weeks of the season we ate the most shit.

[next trench]

Hey devs! You guys are absolutely STUPID! learn how to actually listen to your players for once in your damn lives.

[elfin kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

Untill I see the devs acutally do a buff or nerf that meaningful outside of one that impacts store sells I doubt the devs will do anything

The only major nerfs we seen were
KoT rouge because it took away potential sells from the store page

The devs nerfed drop rate of cosmetics

They removed silver skin tickets

Messed with some of the values in the store

It took them season and half to nerf ts

Took them half a season on barb

And fighter didn't get touched at all

Cleric got 0 buffs

Soulstones across the board are ok, but seem like a lackluster attempt to mimic gemming from PC.

They do add cool unquie variety to the game. However if the core classes are imbalanced. And you add a skill tree, soulstones, and add more collections.

How will they ever balance it. Even if they add it to gear instead of the soulstones. all that's going to happen is ur going to make the same issue but worst.

Higher extreme gaps between the top 1% poeple and the 99%

[thorny sequoia]

We are on the same team with this is but I just want them to take the right ideas and not alter mines and keeping adding to something that need fixing
But at the end of the day there shouldn't be anything that drifts the main aspects and purpose of the game this isn't dark and darker on Pc and neither the goal should imitate the actual game this is suppose to be a well put together pc version that stands out in its own way but the way you go about difference or change makes the biggest deal breakers if not done correctly

They only can balance by adjusting the collections and soulstones to not be as impactful % wise. Also they should of probably effect more other things other then damage and resistance.
Moving away from pvp advantages is the best way to balance the game.
The only grind and advantages players should have is
Gear difference,class difference and playstyles. Not Op soulstones, Not 600 hp rouges,
Not using Evade,shield rush,roll, clash turning as movement exploits,
Not Undying duration bulids,
Not fallstrike fights,
Not Vigor/Hp leather sets.
Not Freeze or stun/stagger status spamming.
These are very bad issues that shouldn't need explaining for changes it's practically to obvious.

[lime helm]

Hello! I've been playing since the opening of the game and I just love the shields of the fighter character, I really like blocking enemy attacks and countering, but... Basically, everyone plays with a spear, and not a single shield in the game protects the legs except for the buckler, it turns out that two shields in the game are now useless. They also do not protect against arrows and daggers of the rogue, since they shoot you in the legs or head. Developers, please increase the size of the shields or their hitboxes, for example, like in the game mount and blade, and also please improve the balance for the longsword, now it is complete garbage! 6 seconds of reloading is insanely long! Not only does it practically not protect from impact, but its damage is terrible. It is necessary to increase the damage by 20-30%, reduce the time to 3 seconds and add +1 impact reduction.Let players use shields and longswords to their full potential, please!

[plucky hollow]

Having shields be bigger would make cleric and barb have a much harder time against them too, the long sword does need a buff but the shields are fine. It's up to the fighter to position the shields to actually protect different areas of the body. If you look up, they will protect the head, and if you crouch/look down they will protect the legs.

[fallen estuary]

Yup the skills are supposed to be technical you can't just pop an ability and everything is ok actually have to make it work for you

I can't stand fighters on my rogue a good fighter will beat me heater/arming sword and spear is not good

If you have ever played dark souls the combat in this game feels a lot like that honestly

[elfin kindle]

I just wish cleric would get heater shield makes way more sense fighter

[plucky hollow]

Oh hell no! Self protection, heater shield, and light of healing would be the most op shit ever.

[elfin kindle]

I mean atm no one uses round shield cleric cause it gets booped by every single barb/fighter weapon. Thus making 90% of clerics passive stinky

[plucky hollow]

Nah a skilled cleric is so good

[fallen estuary]

I got eaten by two dif clerics last night on my rogue that first one was stupid strong and checked me with his bubble when I tried to stun him the second one was good but I was feelin myself a little to much and pushed way to hard bc it he was last standing and we were like 30 feet from the altar really didn't want his team up with mine downed already

[fiery raft]

Cool story

[fallen estuary]

True story I was there

[visual gorge]

I think you should give the barb the ability to use spears historically speaking they use spears as weapons as well

[gaunt terrace]

Spears would be op af on barb