REMOVE UNDYING ON BARB

[zenith cipher]

undying is the most broken ability in the game that takes 0 skill and can make the worst barb player kill anyone. ontop of undying combine it with berserker which makes u do 50x the dmg for no reason and makes u faster than anyclass. this ability makes 0 sense how does a fighter have a limited amount of uses for perfect block only for 1 hit but barb undying u can use it a unlimited amount of times for 6 second BUT thats without iron lung now untop of iron lung its 10 seconds or something likes how does this make any sense. also if u dont have a stun for example your ranger how do u even kill a barb when he can just sergical kit unfront of you and you cant do nothing about it. PLZ REMOVE UNDYING

[minor reef]

It’s like 11+ seconds with buff duration increase btw lol basically free surg kit or free escape stone. Watching 2 barbs fight is fun, once undying pops it’s 2 seconds of dancing then run away surg lol

[zenith cipher]

Exactly and if u run from it guess what they do ESCAPE STONE so u gotta stay close oh but if your too close oh your dead ggs

wtf is counter play in this

[hollow bluff]

They should remove/nerf estone not undying

And nerf undying not remove it

Nerf fireballs/explosion too

Ban every furries too

And chinese

[zenith cipher]

Those aren’t even good until u do the collection

Fireball and explosion are so bad in the beginning

[hollow bluff]

If the wizard is good fire spells are really good

Which is not ur case 😏

[minor reef]

Yes exactly this

[zenith cipher]

Ofc BUT fire spells only become good because of collection

[hollow bluff]

I don’t play solo tho so I have no idea about how undying is op in solo

[zenith cipher]

Undying is op en general

Even in trio

[hollow bluff]

yes but players with at least 3 braincells and 8 chromosomes max collection

[minor reef]

I’ve also noticed that collection was needed for the dmg

[zenith cipher]

Then that’s the collections problem no the spell it’s self

[minor reef]

I’m only at 85% :c

[hollow bluff]

nerf collection then

[minor reef]

Fuck it nerf NERF

[zenith cipher]

Your confusing ability to collection

[hollow bluff]

I don’t play wizard mb

[zenith cipher]

I’ve been saying collection is too broken

[hollow bluff]

Berserker and undying should both be nerfed a little bit not too much tho

[zenith cipher]

Anything would be nice

[hollow bluff]

And flash need a nerf too that’s for sure, yesterday when oreo died, I stucked the flipping wizard against a wall, got him low but he just flashed through me

[zenith cipher]

Yes but that’s a different topic

[hollow bluff]

mb that’s bannable

[zenith cipher]

This is just barb feedback

[hollow bluff]

ranger should be nerfed too

[zenith cipher]

Ok now your trolling

[hollow bluff]

they should buff r99 tho

[zenith cipher]

ALRIGHHH

[hollow bluff]

volt better against barb

i miss apex mobile 😞

deleted because of furries 😩

[vital wadi]

why troll lol .bc u so happy to meet ur idol ? lol 😆

[supple yacht]

That what I said last night fighter have many limits on all their skill which limits them from being broken while barb is just a broken fighter look at the leader board for this season it's like 70℅ barb

[supple yacht]

Yes I've been struggling then doom I take my collection to 87℅ and I'm winning fights with support gear

This is a very valuable feedback I don't see the fun in trolling the post collection power spike is too much undying is broken most of the top players are barb this class has been broken since season one and I've been posting about it since then everyone was just focus on wiz because that was the meta but now look at the stats the leader board is dominated by them mindlessly swinging should have consequences this game should be skilled based that's why I play fighter longsword because its rewarding I never like barb because its a brainless class no skill it takes to be good

[vague tendon]

Tbh if barb didnt have undying it would get rid of a lot of the noob stomping barbs who just jump all over you to spam attack hoping for a lucky hit. Once they get low they go oh crap and undying to run or keep swinging lol. Fighter stands no chance vs wiz. Barb can get lucky and 2 shot during undying at least or get away

Imo undying just needs to have a nerf on the movespeed bonus or slightly decreased time or a use limit of 1-2.

[hollow bluff]

..?

[shy barn]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-austin-powers-gif-17640212

I dont even play barb ,but crying and beging for removal of abilities and nerfs is toxic and pathetic and is only done by weak beta players, smart and skilled chad players ask for buffs to weak classes and learn to adapt to difficult abilities.

[zenith cipher]

L rage bait

[shy barn]

Not a rage bate, just an opinion, srsly of all the players here i would never expect to see a whine/rant from you about a class.

[zenith cipher]

I keep it real

I’m only talking about undying

[low wadi]

Yeah it needs a down side. I think “cannot escape stone “ and “cannot heal” is a great trade off. High risk high reward

[shy barn]

See now this is an interesting, intelligent and based idea, its constructive, it dosent remove or nerf the ability and adds a trade off for using the ability. @zenith cipher

[zenith cipher]

Ye but that’s not gonna be a actual thing

And that’s not the actual problem

[low wadi]

I use undying aggressively though. People run, I use it as an opportunity to smack people

[low wadi]

Also should remove move speed i think

[shy barn]

Why not?

[zenith cipher]

Because that’s not the actual problem it’s a solution ye but I doubt they added that

They nerf or buff things that already written in the game

[shy barn]

I think keeping the speed is a good idea because usually undying is used when you're very low on HP you're trying to get close to the enemy and finish them off the downside the way you're suggesting it is that if you don't kill them you now have low HP once you're undying runs out and is on cooldown and you might end up dying to the enemy that you were just chasing so I think what you're suggesting is very intelligent way to look at it and is a creative solution to the issues that @zenith cipher brought up

[shy barn]

You said the issue is that they just use a surgery kit infront of you. I agree, that is a problem, and this is a good solution.

Prevent healing while in undying.

[zenith cipher]

That only salves 1 problem out of many others

Again that’s not the actual main problem yes it helps but that only helps with character that can’t stun

And plus it’s not like they heal infront of u when they undying that would be dumb their trying to kill u or escape stone

[low wadi]

tbh removing it makes barb less fun for me, but it's toxic at 12 seconds long. Lol

[shy barn]

Right so its a start, but instead of beging and crying for an ability to just get yeeted, use you brain and come up with some other suggestions that dont completely criple the ability, also a great solution is to gear for more movent speed and just play keep away.

[low wadi]

I just dont play classes that can't dea with an undying barb

[zenith cipher]

It should be removed I’ve seen characters with the same ability and same problems and devs removes it eventually

[shy barn]

But thats what you said was one of the issues in your op

[low wadi]

I’m ok with that

[zenith cipher]

I do have solution I just don’t write them but he’s my take on it then for the solutions
Undying can only be uses 2 times and decreases the time of undying

[shy barn]

Im not. Like i said removing abilities is the worst option

[shy barn]

Sure, thats better then removing it.

[zenith cipher]

Obv I could go into berserk and say that also needs a nerf because berserk+ undying combo is insane

Like removing the speed boost and lowering the dmg

[hollow bluff]

hh doesn’t know the game guys

[zenith cipher]

ALRIGHHH

[shy barn]

Barb should be slower, its supposed to be a dumb slow tank that can 1 or 2 tap you if you're too close, to counter that it should have a speed boost when in a undying, like a rage mode, it should have a longer cool down too and preventing the barbs while healing in undying is a great idea. It makes the barb play have to make a choice between trying to heal or get away or kill thoer opponents not healing while laughing un thier face.

[hollow bluff]

We need a third with Oreo

[shy barn]

He probably knows it better then the devs but he is salty about getting killed by a barb so he is ranting and sying wild things and im here to be a based voice of reason for him.

[hollow bluff]

what are your genders

[shy barn]

I identify as an Apache attack helicopter

[hollow bluff]

W

better than that furry hh

[zenith cipher]

Im not salty it’s just getting annoying that’s theirs no counter play that’s just it

Most barbs are just dumb and don’t get punished for making dumb plays

[open oriole]

Here’s the counter play. Run away and kite.

[zenith cipher]

Ggs he escaped stoned

[shy barn]

Annoyed abd salty are the same thing, but yeah i feel you and it would be great if there was a counter play for it I mean that's what this game is supposed to be it's like a more advanced game of rock paper scissors

[hollow bluff]

Or just give the barb a head

[open oriole]

So be it

[zenith cipher]

Correct

[shy barn]

But instead of suggesting for a removal of ability and decreasing the fun factor for other players and making yourself look silly in the process be the change you want to see and come up with some constructive ideas for counterplays for these abilities

[zenith cipher]

What if he was full uniques and had a thundercaller

So be it still?

[open oriole]

Then you’ll get him next time when he doesn’t have or runs out of escape stones

[zenith cipher]

Sometimes it’s ok to remove things games devs do it all the time

[zenith cipher]

Gg he escape stoned again

[open oriole]

What’s going to kill the game is no middle ground for players to go from hard to nm. Take a screenshot of this.

[zenith cipher]

And again

[shy barn]

I disagree but I'm more of the opinion that abilities can be rebalanced as opposed to being nerfed

[shy barn]

Word

[open oriole]

Stun the barb when using escape stone

[zenith cipher]

Sometimes balancing or nerfing it just doesn’t work

Again devs have done that plenty of times

And it works

[shy barn]

Estone activation timer is too short, it should take a bit longer IMO

[open oriole]

I’d agree with that

[shy barn]

I'm almost tempted to say that you shouldn't be able to move while activating it but that would limit the potential to do things like run up behind a player and then activate in E Stone on them after they just killed another player and then you can loot their kill

[zenith cipher]

Estones is a different topic but my take on it should be u can’t move when using it and make it a bit longer to use that’s it

[shy barn]

Right.

[vague tendon]

I kinda never expected a wiz main to complain about this as soon as they try a different not op class. They joined us normies in knowing what pain is

Meanwhile rogue fighter and wiz crap all over barbs until undying pops

[supple yacht]

I disagree fighters kill every class but barb is just indestructible

[zenith cipher]

Bro it doesn’t matter what I main 😭 I keep it honest flash and TS still need a nerf

I even said this before the season that the nerfs they did wouldn’t do anything to me

[vague tendon]

Im just a weirdo who fights through undying until they die lol

The only part that is broken is the movespeed bonus and how crazy long it last with lung passive along with no limits

So like 50% broken

Bruh i said only but then listed 3 things that are half the skill

[supple yacht]

I support this

[supple yacht]

Yeah every ability must have a counter play the restriction on healing with a shorter duration time will be a great rework or limited amount of usage

[vague tendon]

Should be a one time or 2 time use oh crap skill

Every class has a way to interrupt anyways

[vital wadi]

nerf time ,move speed and just dont listen to some s2pid ones said "no nerf ,buff other classes will solve problem "

[vague tendon]

Fought a barb with 14 seconds undying. First part of the fight was 5 seconds to get him low. Next 14 seconds was him jumping around trying to kill me while at 1 hp. Its baffling how much it rewards bad play

[unique mango]

Buff undying rage

[gritty geode]

Barbs are in a weird spot. They're weak without undying but are too strong with it. A duration based invincibility is inherently frustrating to fight against. I think the ability should give charges of perfect block. Say you get 6 charges for 6 seconds and immunity to and removal of dots upon activation. They could balance by charges, duration, and ms if it needs tweaking.

[unique mango]

I don't think is an weird spot and is weak without undying rage, they have passive like robust that help them to become HUGE tank, plus the jump attack that does a lot of damage and clash that is a good mobility ability, without Clash undying rage they can run clash fear that is a really good combo, and even also other ability are good and available, like rage that buff you or the other ability i don't remeber the name that give you 20% health (an underated ability in my opinion, with my barb full support i have more than 300 hp and i get to 400 with that ability)

I think outside undying rage there are good option for barb, is just undying rage too good ahaha i mean a barb build with 600+ Hp and undying is way Better than any other combo, you already have a lot Hp that make you tought to take down, and even if you risk to get downed you have a trap card that make invincible for 6s (9s with the passive, 9s in a close fight where you and you're opponent are close to die is an eternity 😂)

In my opinion undying rage is wrong, should be removed or if kept barb should be way more a glass cannon, right now is a better tank than a fighter with more DPS, and in invincible ability

Fighter suck not because is bad, but because exist barb ahahaha 😂

[shy barn]

Its supposed to be the best tank, i think giving it a shorter duration, with a few charges and preventing healing while its active is a good place to start with rebalncing it, removal is the last option.

I agree it is the only, best option, maybe some of its othe abilities should recive a slight buf to make them more appealing choices. Take with one hand and give with the other so the barb players dont crash out all over the discord.

[gritty geode]

I disagree. I think the class is weak without undying. They've been able to stay ontop due to undying, fall attacks, and zwei. Fall attack was tuned (still needs longer cd imo) and if undying is removed they'll drop from the meta. The extra 70 base a hp 700 hp barbs would get from robust and 140ish they get from warcry seems lackluster compared to undying and berserk combo. Without undying the devs will would have to address the rest of the barb kit which i dont think they wanna do. It would involve reworking 2hand weps and most of the barb skills.

[zenith cipher]

If they were to remove undying the class wouldn’t be weak it would make u use your brain more because most barbs are just brain dead because of undying and don’t get punished for the mistakes they make it would also make zwei not meta and actually have to decide to use it or no

[gritty geode]

I fail to see how why the zwei meta will fall off without undying. Even fighters roll zwei more than half the time when 2handing. Without a replacement for undying they'll become the new ranger.

[zenith cipher]

Because if miss the falling attack u can get hit a lot