Nerf the mobility of wiz

[umbral nova]

Wizard looks more like an assassin than rogue ,they have too much mobility .blink around the map ,invisible ,move fast .

Like mod Frits said ,at least give wiz 1 less charge of flash .Nerf it plz dev

u can see in that video .even top players like Fateyt cant chase wiz .he only have chance to fight when wiz comeback and want to fight .when wiz want to run ,nobody can catch .

https://youtu.be/KJpzj5KGOTM?si=xFPAXFjAACfVX7e6

[desert stag]

I see more of a problem that the rouge is 100% ranged. Completely against what a rogue should be. But that’s just me

[narrow ice]

Light mode is wild, but yeah at least take away 1-2 charges from flash it's nuts against plate

[umbral nova]

so u mean rogue must be 100% melee ?

so wiz must be slow but big damage

[desert stag]

Definitely not. They should have a ranged slow. But come on rogue should de stealthy. But they are very deadly only being ranged with poison….but ranger has no blead at all. Rouge is better ranged than ranger lol

Almost all mages in all games have a blink. Or else there just dead

[umbral nova]

ya i think because ranger in this game is suk

so rogue is better ranged than ranger

ya all mage have blink but cant spam like this game

[desert stag]

Definitely so I see rouges just running knife throw in one hand. Crossbow other. With poisons Very good

[umbral nova]

this game mage too fast .and have invisible .

[desert stag]

Ya maybe reduce charges think they got 2

[umbral nova]

ya maybe nerf ranged rogue

[umbral nova]

and the CD is so fast too

[desert stag]

Way to much running away in this game anyway

[umbral nova]

but if rogue focus in melee .the only class rogue can free win is ranger

in this game .shield so strong .knife is small weapon ,shield can block it easily

so ,melee rogue vs wiz : cant chase

vs fighter : fk up by shield and falling att

vs barb : fk up by spin ,undying and falling att

vs cleric : maybe 50/50 ,they r tanker with aoe binding skill and laser shot magic skill ,healing

so rogue must be ranged atm

[random goblet]

I would instead nerf the Rogue's venom, the invisibility it still has, the double jump and its movement speed.
What would be left of the Rogue?
Same for the Wizard.

[desert stag]

I agree. Very hard to balance 4-5-6 classes in PvP. Not to mention all the deferent gear combinations..and factoring in all the different skill levels.

[desert stag]

There poison should not be a ranged thing. That should be ranger. Poison or bleed

[wicked stone]

All the idea trolls in one tread, how predictable.

[desert stag]

then the troll with no ideas shows up

[wicked stone]

I've marked all the bad ideas.

[desert stag]

I wouldn’t no what you marked and what you didn’t. But marking bad ideas don’t help anything..you interjected your self in the conversation for no reason just to troll. These chats are for ideas and discussion..if you don’t like an idea cool. But say why
If you have another idea. great let’s hear it. be part of the Solution. Not part of the problem

[wicked stone]

I just seen that every idea being suggested is bad. Every idea is talking about taking away or limiting the flavor or ablities and potential of builds. Maybe insted think of asking for buffs for your classes to combat other classes abilities. Complaining about poison for eg. Is ridiculous when it's so simple just to drink from a free red bottle that you get from support gear to stop the poison and also start healing you.

Wizard is supposed to be fast mobile and able to control opponents while aplying dmg. Ideas about nerfing its mobility is bad for the class. Every other clas has control options. Ranger is great against wizard.

Rogue for example is supposed to be able to apply poison at range and then stay away and just jump around and like tease you while you slowly die from poison because you're out of red bottles or you didn't bring any

Taking away or nerfng is usually the worst solution, adding options for other classes is better.

[desert stag]

Hey..that’s great. I don’t agree with some. But definitely constructive..I do think this thread got off target tho. Was about wiz mobility..I started the rouge’ stuff

[umbral nova]

no .nerf the imba thing is easier than buff all other classes ,buff will create chaos and more imba things .the only class need buff rightnow is ranger .buff barb and fighter by"adding options for other classes" ? bullshit .idiot idea .top players like Fateyt in this video and mods think wiz is imbalance too .so i dont think ur ideas is better than their idea .u just love wiz so much

[narrow ice]

Usually yes, I don't think poison needs a nerf either for example. But wizard is overturned at the highest levels of play, and EVERYONE has to face them not just other high level guys. Sometimes you need a nerf, even if it will make some people upset. For example you've personally said plenty of times KoT needed it's nerf. But I personally disagree and think people could've just played around it better. It's the same dude, sometimes the one you don't want to lose has to go for the sake of everyone else even if you think it's a dumb idea.

[umbral nova]

ya he was satisfied when kot was nerfed .

now Kot is dead .but he upset when i want just take away 1 charge of flash

[wicked stone]

Yes kot needed a nerf because of how it affected leader board and the market, but wizard is not disruptive to leaderboard like kot was. Is it a strong class, yes. But its not invincible and not nearly as much as a problem as barbarian is right now, any nerfs to wizard will class breaking,

[narrow ice]

I think the barb crisis is easier to deal with than the wiz crisis last season. It made the market more affordable and that's a good thing for most of the playerbase just not the tippy top who got to enjoy stuff no one else could, and even now they have uniques as that payout if we still had KoT. The rank point gain/loss calculation is the problem with the leaderboard, of dying wasn't so over punishing and if loot wasn't the only thing that mattered gain wise then KoT would've been waaaay worse on the leaderboard.

Wiz has too many answers that are all really really good. Strike, Flash, Freeze Nova are the soul of wizard on top their high Vigor now. Most classes just do not have the tools to answer that I less they build a lot of MR and then will die to the barb meta. I don't want wizard weak I think it's a really cool class but it does too much too well and it's much faster and more efficient to nerf it back in line before reworking every single other class. It definitely effects the leaderboard because they are too good at surviving(again point calculation issue) and they have an incredible kill potential on top of that with strike, so imo that's worse than KoT since your trading market being cheaper issues for everyone dying with little to no counterplay issues instead

Freeze Nova is balanced in not saying to nerf it just to be clear

[random goblet]

To nerf all the Rogue's strengths, of course I was being ironic (it's not for you, but maybe not all people as far as I can see understand the irony here).
It was to show that if a Wizard is nerfed the strengths listed in the thread, it would be the same thing as nerfing the Rogue strengths listed by me...
More than further nerfing Rogue and Wizard than they have already been nerfed, it would be better to have a rework of the lesser used Skills to change builds.
But even here, those who play other classes would see a hypothetical and unknown danger to their gameplay.
What some players here want (again, not you), is to win easy and have no hindrance in this from the builds of other classes.
I'll be ironic again: propose in this thread crashes for when a player uses the wizard, so that you never encounter them in the dungeon.

[wicked stone]

Nerfing wiz and rogue is not the answer, my rouge and wiz are regularly killed by good players, some people just dont have the character skills, player skills or gear to fight them properly so naturally they feel like they got killed by an op class.

[random goblet]

All classes are op with a good Gear and a good player playing them.
Complaining about another class and shouting NERF, is simply resentment for losing, this kind of feedback is not directed towards improving the game in general, new skills for all classes, new classes.
The grudge wants revenge, the player who has it, thinks ‘I lost, but you will be nerfed because you killed me’.
This brings no improvement to this game, the player who sees a Nerf to a class will still lose, complain and have a grudge.
Better a rework for all classes of Nerf to all classes.
I don't want to play Nerf and Nerfer, with all strong Skills of all classes nerfed and 200hp max per player. Yes, now there is also the fashion of asking for Nerf to stats and Vigour.
If I wanted to win all the time, I'd play a children's game.
I'm being ironic here too.
But irony sometimes serves to make things clearer.

Who would play a nerfed game?

[wicked stone]

It ruins my desire to play this game when clases get nerfed, i have played significantly less this seson due to to many issues with this game, ui lag for 2 1/2 weeks plus now my game crashes or has significant fps lag when i was getting a solid 50fps on default now on lowest settings im geting fps drops down to 10, 15, 20, fps with the occasional 40fps for a bit and then lag again. Then add on nerfs and a toxic community crying for nerfs on everything, fk that i went back to playing modern warships. Id rather enjoy my time playing a game then just be fustrated and pissed off.