Unnarmed Combat / Punches and Kicks / Martial Arts

[bold flare]

can you KO someone

[lunar hatch]

Day 2 of pleading for the ability to break limbs

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (1.9.0)

• Added new options to configure Grab Duration, Balance Loss Angle (for takedowns), and Force Required to Break a Grab.

• Configuration settings can now be saved and are automatically loaded on initialization.

[north fossil]

Hell yeah,NOW I CAN USE THAT ONE MOVESET.....

My enemies shall fear me with my hand

[hardy vale]

I recommend lowering "Force Require to break grab" when used with ReimaginedPhysics.

[dusk lake]

The consequences shall be catastrophic

[copper roost]

https://tenor.com/view/re-zero-natsuki-subaru-crying-gif-12166363032121299831

ive waited for days like thes

gone the days where i had to modify the mod

to have longer holds

[north fossil]

Ill just set hold time to 999 seconds

https://tenor.com/view/pleasure-my-friend-gary-o-reilly-startalk-youre-welcome-it-was-my-pleasure-gif-21618402

And say idc each time someone complains

[dusty matrix]

is it possible to make a version with perm holds? i would only want it for the assembly of the mechazord

[hardy vale]

If you edit this file you should be able to make it longer (just put 999 or some large number)

[lunar hatch]

this mod doesnt buff base blunt damage from the body, does it

[hardy vale]

It doesn't

[hardy tangle]

In example 1 we see the left hand is fully charged, and the right hand is charging.
In example 2, the left hand is currently grabbed.

[lunar hatch]

Yeeeeessss

I wish this was vanilla so I can make a moveset that solely relies on it

[north fossil]

Imagine charging ur hand whole match to one punch(man) someone

[sand gust]

You know. It’s wierd. I’m quite shit at making punches. But my kicks? They are fucking insane

[sly dew]

real

[pastel egret]

GG @sly dew, you just advanced to level 5!

[hardy tangle]

make punches like you make kicks

elbow goes the other way

karate chops are unironically better than punches

[sand gust]

I don’t think you understand. I can kick so insanely hard. That I won a 2v1 3 times in a ROW with just my 2 kicks. One of my kicks literally one tapped a guy when he tried to kill me. The aura was insane

[hardy tangle]

I understand entirely, and what im saying has nothing to do with that

Punches wont be as good as kicks, that cant be solved

[sand gust]

I’m trying to say that I’d rather make super good kicks than destroy a guy rather than attempt to learn to make punches

like I’ve seen kicks

[hardy tangle]

valid

[sand gust]

Notably magmar

And they work well

But not “slam a guy across the arena” well

Plus

It allows me to do all kinds of crazy shit with my body

Like do a bicycle kick into a stomp or smth

But I don’t usually do that

Because missing it means no damage and large recovery

[sand gust]

I’m so sorry. Magmar

[hardy vale]

Its all good 👍

[hardy vale]

been working on it... If everything works right the update should go Live today

[lunar hatch]

oh shit i celebrated too hard n got automodded

jiu jitsu time

[sand gust]

Mag PLEASE make it so grabs dont disable your goddamn balance, it allows for insanely op moves in which someone grabs your hand or smth and just instakills you

it removes the whole point of being unarmed if someone can just

Grab you ONCE and the fight ends

and it doesnt even matter from where you grab

have you EVER heard of someone completely losing their balance when another person grabs their hand ?

[hardy vale]

Press F8 on the latest version of the Mod and turn "AngleToLoseBalance" all the way up

[sand gust]

zamn

thank god

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.0.0)

• New mechanic: Joint Breaking. Perform an ArmBar or LegBar and you can break an opponent’s limb. (or your own... Please report a bug if this happens too often). This feature is experimental, and it is not supported on Legacy. I plan to add options later so players can adjust parameters that may improve Legacy compatibility, although there is no guarantee it will work well.

Hand-tuning every aspect of the mod for both Legacy and Creative is impractical, so I’m focusing on Creative. Eventually the Host will be able to configure the mod if they want to experiment with Legacy and possibly get a more stable experience.

[hardy vale]

remember to give feedback on it. I will keep improving the Mechanic

[lunar hatch]

IM READY

[hardy vale]

make a lobby if you can, Havent tested on multiplayer (but it should work)

[sand gust]

https://tenor.com/view/power-csm-chainsaw-man-incorrect-wrong-gif-16337578492690093939

Raymond ahh

you will never get to understand

[lunar hatch]

found a glitch

whenever i extend my leg out during a move it pops out

[hardy vale]

first victim is me...

[hardy vale]

I see, Im gonna make it harder to break the limbs

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.0.1)

• Changed default Torque Needed to break a joint (2500 is the new Value).

• Added Config Slider for the Joint Break Mechanic (Adjust between 2500 and 3500 for Creative... Or between 3500 and 6000 for Legacy)

[north fossil]

Yayy more stuff

[sand gust]

what?

also pretty much EVERYTHING breaks your knee

i dont think you dropped the 2.0.1

[hardy vale]

it will take at least another half an hour for it to show up on Thunderstore

once you have the latest version, Press F8 and config it however you like

If it doesn't work properly let me know. This is still an experimental mechanic

[mystic tendon]

my knee likes to pop out in the move editor

I think another slider would be nice

otherwise this mechanic is awesome

[hardy vale]

I added that in the last version

[mystic tendon]

cool

I didnt read my b

[hardy tangle]

my legs dont work anymore

[hardy vale]

.

[hardy vale]

play with the new Slider until it doesn't happen anymore, then vote on the Poll

[hardy tangle]

How does it work? like the torque i mean

[hardy vale]

it calculates how much Torque is being applied to the joint and it breaks it past a threshold

[hardy tangle]

oohhh okay, so that explains why the normal trick of over extending is breaking my legs

other than that its pretty cool, i was able to grab fancy pants' arm and snap it. letting me get more hits in

thanks for making cool stuff even when youve barely recovered from illness :)

this can totally be used in the film :O

[hardy vale]

Hot-Fix (2.0.3)

• Increased Default for the setting "TorqueNeededToBreakJoint" to 5000

[hardy vale]

Please Press F8 and play with the values until you find a good value for it

[dusk lake]

this is horrifying in every capacity

[hardy vale]

play with the new Slider and let me know what value works for you please 🥹 . If you increase it, it makes it harder for joints to break

[dusk lake]

ah my beloved legacy weird glitchiness (this is on what should be ~7000)

doesn't happen on creative at least

bad news, it does happen on creative on the current default value (5000)

[hardy vale]

Do arm and leg bars work tho?

[dusk lake]

i don't think i actually have a bar move

[mystic tendon]

if you land hard enough with your knee bent all the way youll shoot up when it breaks

[hardy vale]

HOTFIX (2.0.4)

• Fixed bug that caused broken limbs to levitate a few centimeters away from the socket

this should fix that launch, but if It doesn't let me know and I'll look into it

[sand gust]

you only launched up to 2.0.2

[twin garden]

can you break necks

leg fel off

[hardy vale]

nope

[hardy vale]

is this latest update?.

[hardy vale]

Waking up after 9 hours and watching this be completely empty scares me 🥺

[hardy vale]

Remember to participate on this

[twin garden]

yea

[hardy vale]

If it happens in a lobby send me the replay so I can troubleshoot

[hardy vale]

Also guys, if you keep breaking your knees for no reason just Press F8 and increase this value

[lunar hatch]

ngl

the new update dont work at all

you can't do what it was meant to, 9 times out of 10 you'll end up breaking your own limbs in attempt to break another's

[dusk lake]

The closest I've gotten to a somewhat consistent break without breaking my own limbs is to wrap around the person, mostly at the lower legs, grab the upper part of the legs, then roll forward. I basically treat them like a toothpaste tube.

Besides that yeah, I tend to break my own limbs trying to break others, even in testing.

I'll have to test a bit more with it to find a torque value that feels just right for me

[north fossil]

Can we break their limbs by tearing them like a giant?

What if we make a torture in gladio mori where 4 people are holding one's arms and legs and uhh

Do what bulls were doing someday

[twin garden]

when add ground damage

[copper roost]

I love the limb falling off

Like a lizard defense mechanism

Its funny af

[sand gust]

I have genuinely been sitting in a lobby waiting to fight people because everyone i fight just leaves

I have the most vile fucking combo known to man it’s insane

I 3 tapped a guy

In

CREATIVE

The only way that I’ve been killed with my kit is if someone straight up grabbed me in order to get me to the ground

Other than that

It’s nearly impossible

[lunar hatch]

Something I realized is that joints don’t break when they’re bent against the fulcrum of the knee, instead it when it’s bent normally too much

[sand gust]

Thats definitely not a good system

[hardy vale]

I’ll have to roll back the update then. It seemed solid on paper, but I clearly didn’t test it enough. I apologize.

I’ll look into alternatives to implement a reliable joint-breaking system.

Roll-Back Hot-Fix (2.0.5)

• Completely removed the Joint Breaking system

[twin garden]

sad

will you work on it for the future?

[hardy tangle]

i think instead of just torque, it might need to be tracking something more specific.
like the amount of torque in a specific direction while the joint is already at the boundary of its reach

im stupid so i cant explain what im thinking clearly, also i cant say whats possible and what runs well so idk

it was a good idea to start at least, maybe in the future there could be some more fine tuning or another method

[hardy vale]

I know that, but its really hard to actually code it.

The main problem is that Unity doesn't really tell me "how much torque is being applied" once it reaches the angular limit of the joint 🥹

[hardy tangle]

ahhh i see

because at that point there isnt any way to calculate torque based on how it works

it requires an actual change of angle, am i right?

[hardy vale]

Pretty much. Once the joint reaches its angular limit, Unity stops giving any meaningful change in rotation, so you can’t derive torque from the angle difference between the target rotation and the current rotation anymore.

system like that would be useful to calculate stamina... But not joint breaking mechanics 😔

[hardy tangle]

hmm, can joints be forced past their limit by pushing hard enough?

[hardy vale]

I'm not sure, joints can be forced past their limit when the Physics Solver fails to solve the calculation (Because of a strong collision or small errors)

And I used to think that was the only way, But I'm looking into it and there seems to be a way to use a "Soft cap" for the limits (this would allow me to calculate the torque applied once the angle goes past the limit)

[hardy tangle]

Ah, so it wouldnt allow the joint to move itself past the angle but could still be forced?

that, just on paper, sounds like a good strategy

[tawny salmon]

half my moves break my own joints

[dusk lake]

Deku

[hardy tangle]

mha powers in gladio when

[tawny salmon]

cool so even if i set it 20000 my joints break from my jump

[hardy vale]

.

[hardy vale]

.

gotta wait for it to update. The new mechanic was a failure

[tawny salmon]

i see

bring it back sometime please

i would love to break people with spider moveset

[sand gust]

To be honest knowing your moves it makes sense.

[hardy vale]

@dusk lake can u send me that moveset you were using to test out the mod?. I need an ArmBar or LegBar

[dusk lake]

I'll try to send the move in a bit, just gotta get some cleaning done first

[hardy vale]

ty 😄

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.0.6)

• The Joint Breaking system was completely reworked. (IT ONLY WORKS ON CREATIVE)

This new system cannot work on Legacy because it needs a "MaximumForce" limit on the joints for it to work (Something Legacy doesn't have because it allows infinite strength)

I couldn't do tests with an actual ArmBar or LegBar. But I did test it by adding invisible forces with the Editor and it worked really well

[sly dew]

YEAAAAA

[sly dew]

I will attempt to make moves and give input in a little while

[hardy vale]

beware that the limit to break the joint is quite low right now, I'll increase it when I get feedback on it

[dusk lake]

just gotta wait for r2modman to register that there's been an update lmao

[sly dew]

yuh

annnd updated lol

[hardy vale]

Hotfix (2.0.7)

• I fucked up on a line of code. Its fixed now (Nobody even had the chance to watch the bug)

quick 1fps demonstration...

as you can see I didn't break my arms or legs while fighting, but it depends on pressure. In this video I lowered the required torque to break the elbow and then pressed it against the wall to break it, but it should be a bit more difficult than that

[dusk lake]

r2modman only got me 2.0.6 so far, it'll get there in a little bit but until then witness this atrocity

[twin garden]

brb gotta go google how to break someone's limbs

[hardy vale]

lmao

[sand gust]

So.

My kicks now bend my knees in the opposite direction slightly

But

They don’t break

So I don’t care

[dusk lake]

Yeah im either gonna have to make a version of my movesets that won't break my bones with each of my kicks/swings, or I'm gonna turn my arms into whips baki-style

That's a Different Day issue though bc i don't have the awake enough to do things

[hardy vale]

last update is live now btw, I just checked and 3 people already downloaded it

[hardy vale]

let me know if thats still the case in the latest version

[north fossil]

Lol,i think ts gonna break my legs and arms in like half of my moves

[hardy vale]

Is that the case? I need feedback to keep adjusting the value

[north fossil]

No,I haven't tested it but hip jumps are most likely to break

[hardy vale]

If you're talking about Legacy it will definitely not happen (because it's disabled there)

[north fossil]

😭

You just killed my child

[hardy vale]

I wish it was possible to use it there, but the system relies on the Joints "MaximumForce" parameter

And Legacy doesn't have that 😔

[north fossil]

😨

[hardy vale]

I can definitely do some testing and try to make it compatible, but I can't promise it will work

And I also need feedback to know it works correctly before doing that

[north fossil]

What if you change the power of our bodies so its like in legacy but its not

Kinda like all-time berserk

[hardy vale]

I'll try different things, but it's not as easy as that

[north fossil]

🔥

[hardy vale]

I won't start working on that until people give me feedback on how it works in creative so far tho

[north fossil]

I'm gonna give you feedback when im done with my hw

[lunar hatch]

Creative on top

[north fossil]

14 damn exercises

[lunar hatch]

I’m gonna give it a try later tonight, I have hope that my scissor takedown might fuck knees up

[hardy vale]

I look forward to your feedback. i just need to know the following

1. Do armbars and legbars work properly now?

2. Do knees and elbows break too easily?

Once I get those 2 questions answered I can adjust the values and start working on the Legacy version

[lunar hatch]

I’m curious, do you think you could ever enable the blunt bruising effect from collisions with the ground with body slams?

Having people ko’d for a little bit is cool for slams but actually killing or doing limb damage would be awesome for takedowns

It’d make them feel less cheap because the only opportunity you get from it is to beat your opponent while they’re out cold

[hardy vale]

Ill look into it, but the BaseGame blunt damage system is definitely not prepared for environmental damage

[lunar hatch]

Trve.

Just a thought

[hardy tangle]

could try tracking any sudden stops maybe idk

[twin garden]

@hardy vale armbars don't seem to work

[twin garden]

true

[hardy vale]

youre trying on Creative right?

[twin garden]

yea

[hardy vale]

do the arms break with any other movement?

[twin garden]

yea

the arm bends the wrong way but doesnt break

in the armbar

[hardy vale]

hmmm are you sure its not broken?, it should lose almost all its strength, If you punch the arm it should bend the other way quite easy when its already broken

[twin garden]

yea

[hardy vale]

it wouldn't make sense for the arm to bend the wrong way without breaking. Its just impossible, maybe you're expecting the arm to behave a different way when broken

Can you make a lobby? we could test rn

[twin garden]

sure

[hardy vale]

I couldn't join

did u close it?

[twin garden]

join drrastaoasta

try again

[hardy vale]

killing the enemy will make it hard to tell if the arm is broken or not

I suggest making that T Pose enemy and trying in SinglePlayer with ai (NOT AIEXTENDED)

[twin garden]

join back

[twin garden]

the ai looks at me so it wouldnt work

[hardy vale]

@lunar hatch @dusk lake @twin garden @sand gust y'all let me know if I need to lower or increase the Torque needed to break the arm.

It seems that the threshold is too high rn, so its hard to actually break an arm (and even harder to break a leg), But it needs to be that way to prevent harming ourselves when punching and kicking.

I could probably lower it a 15% tho

[twin garden]

maybe bones break more easily if you're knocked out

suggestion

[lunar hatch]

Why not have the ability of limbs being broken off until grabbed to prevent random attacks from breaking your own shit

[lunar hatch]

I get osteoporosis in my sleep too

[twin garden]

then you wouldnt be able to break bones with hits

[lunar hatch]

I mean, small price to pay to have a functional dislocation with grapples

[hardy vale]

the reason you dont agree here is the same reason I made the system the exact way it is

[lunar hatch]

Besides the stun effect in vanilla is already so strong that we don’t need additional stagger effects

[lunar hatch]

?

I’m not following

[hardy vale]

when a mechanic is conditional to something (Like being KO'd or Grabbed), people argue on whether or not thats good or not

the best approach here is to look for realisim, that way people can't complain

[twin garden]

can you grab with two hands?

[hardy vale]

yes

[lunar hatch]

Yesss

[lunar hatch]

Fair

[hardy vale]

we'll find the right balance, we just need enough testing

I made joints hard to break on purpose, once y'all try it out and tell me its too hard I will make it easier (around 10% Threshold reduction)

[hardy vale]

a 20% Threhsold reduction would be exactly like this

using both hands to make presure on the elbow with the armbar should be enough to break the elbow

Like this: 2 hands OVER the opponent's hand

[sand gust]

Chill bro I haven’t even got to making an arm bar yet 😭

Tbh I’m probably not going to make one

I just don’t see a situation in which I can reliably grab the hand of my opponent while not taking any damage

maybe I should make a head kick

I will

[lunar hatch]

@hardy vale did you remove the slider

[dusk lake]

Im tempted to make a proper arm/legbar move for one of my movesets, as it currently is though i don't have one

I personally like the current value for torque, but that might just be me

[hardy vale]

I removed it when I removed the old system

[lunar hatch]

you need to lower the requirement for torque

me no able to break legs

[hardy vale]

what about arms?

Legs are stronger than arms

[lunar hatch]

heres video

[lunar hatch]

i havent landed an armbar that stresses the elbow yet

[hardy vale]

thats really close, you gotta hug the person tho

grab with both arms on their back if possible

[lunar hatch]

idk if that'll change the results

but i'll give it a try

[hardy vale]

basically, the more you bend it the opposite way the closer you are to breaking it

[hardy vale]

this is like really really close

[lunar hatch]

arm around the back + multiple changes to the legs = no difference

i could make the arms pull backwards when i tilt my hips up to maybe add a lil more strength

if that doesn't work, i don't know what will beyond bugs you can play with to create more force like oglo's spider

[dusk lake]

You could try closing the hold the legs have w/ the knee a bit more, then pulling them back, might extend the leg just a bit more to make it break

[lunar hatch]

the knee cannot close more than what i have already

[dusk lake]

Can the hip joint/full leg move back more?

[lunar hatch]

wym by back

like beneath my hips

i can js send u the move

[dusk lake]

That'd work, i'd need to edit it in a bit though bc i'm still working

[lunar hatch]

kk

[lunar hatch]

@hardy vale no luck on the armbar either

even when im wrapped around the arm pretty good and apply force on the joint

oh shit

i got it to work right after i said that

and i didnt have replay on 😭

[sly dew]

wish you could mess with the testing dummy, trying to keep this mf on the ground is chore

[hardy vale]

should I lower the Threshold for breaking joints then?. I can lower it by 10% right now (and that should make a big difference)

[lunar hatch]

gave it another shot

i only saw oglo's way to breaking the limb

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.0.9)

• Reduced threshold to break joints by 10%

[hardy vale]

Any feedback on this?.

[north fossil]

No feedback,pure love

[dusk lake]

I'll test tonight and give feedback if it's needed

[hardy vale]

If it works as intended let me know too. I've been stressing about it not knowing if it finally works or not 😅

[dusk lake]

All I remember from yesterday playing in a super-powered respawn & reimaginedphysics server is that it doesn't break horribly, even with much faster movement & swings

I think you were there for a little bit

I wonder if it's possible to use slightly broken legs to make a digitigrade walk

[lunar hatch]

same result as yesterday, im gonna see how it works without the snap because relying on a bug leaves a bad taste in my mouth

[hardy vale]

I mean the bug will always work. But now it should be easier to break joints without the bug

[hardy vale]

I reduced the threshold by 10%. So this should work now

[lunar hatch]

i made it work without it ignore my rejoice

it was a clean break ngl

[hardy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-3851471549750385303

[lunar hatch]

im gonna give the kneebar a try

it worked

🥹

[sly dew]

Haven't gotten my submission holds to break anything properly yet but my kicks and punches seem to definitely be more lethal now.

Low kicks had my friend limp legged

[north fossil]

Wait,does this update mean I can set the value to low and kick someone's leg so hard it breaks?

I'm happy

[hardy vale]

the Config setting for Joint Breaking was removed a few Hotfixes ago

but you can still kick someone on the leg so hard it breaks 😄

[north fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

I wanna torture them.

[hardy vale]

you'd be torturing yourself too

the value is too sensitive, any lower than what it is right now would cause your own legs to break under your own weight

[north fossil]

success requires sacrifice

[hardy vale]

I'll make a config slider once we get the perfect value for it

[north fossil]

✅

[hardy vale]

that way I can make a range for the players to edit... If I just let people change it from 0 to 3000 it would be too chaotic and cause people to get confused

[north fossil]

Hmm

Hear me out

I'm gonna cut my arm off

Break it

Grab it

And turn it into a mace.

And if I cut my arm and both of someone's arms

And set them so they hold each other

And break each one of them

Its a WHIP!

And if one of those arms was holding some weapon.....

[hardy vale]

thats funny

you can do that if you increase the Grab Duration time on the F8 menu for Unarmed

https://tenor.com/view/gwent-gwentcard-northern-realms-bloody-flail-gif-13806181

[north fossil]

Yeah,we must think about possibilities.....

[hardy vale]

you get a flail for 60 whole seconds

[north fossil]

ONE ARM CAN BE HOLD BY 2!!!!!!!!!!

[hardy vale]

or infinite if you just edit the .json configuration file...

[north fossil]

Oh John gladio forgive me for what im thinking about

[hardy vale]

@lunar hatch damn I was bout to join 😭

[lunar hatch]

Aw damn I had to leave for one of my classes

Legit every teacher I had canceled theirs classes besides one

[dusk lake]

Funny enough, I'm pretty sure this system is gonna indirectly improve knee strikes, stomps, and elbow strikes bc there'd be no risk of overextension with them when you hit your opponent's limb.

Like i can defo see a stomp aimed at the knee being a good move to break a leg on the person you're fighting

[lunar hatch]

Oblique kicks would be devastating

[hardy vale]

I might need to increase the Breaking Threshold a bit. I just played a few hours on a server with the mod and our arms kept breaking. It wasn't anoying but it happened about 4 out of 10 fights

I'll leave it like this for now. Once I get feedback from y'all I'll increase it if thats what you want

[dusk lake]

i just gotta do some tweaks so I can be a little bit lower, but It seems like i've almost got a proper knee bar set up

Yes it looks a Bit Jank, shooosh it's fine

also some feedback, both positive and negative:

Pros of the new system & value: still allows things like overextension to be used, but gives it the big risk of "breaking my limbs with a mere swing", but also rewards making your moves stop at good angles with good timing by... not having that be a worry to have. (I'm slowly modifying a different version of my unarmed so that it stays in the safe ranges)

Cons: overextension can defo lead to way more limb breaks than is enjoyable for most folks that'll be playing the mod, reverting it back to being ~10% more would give a majority of folks the leeway to do their moves*, while still leaving a tangible risk for their limbs to break if they take it too far

this is also a bonus to the system existing

[hardy vale]

I can fix this

lmao thats so funny

[hardy vale]

Ill increase it a bit too

breaking limbs is too easy rn, I'll figure out the right value soon

[lunar hatch]

ik mfers who walk like that in real life

[sand gust]

I think the main issue generally is getting off any type of bar

Like

You wrap around their arm

Then they start flailing around and beating your shit

…

Add neck breaking

[hardy vale]

is this better?. It doesnt really affect the Threshold to break, but it does affect the tracking so next update is going to be a bit experimental

[hardy vale]

I fixed that with Reimagined Physics Hipunlocker

[dusk lake]

please don't I love digitigrade shenanigans so much

[twin garden]

my armbar still doesnt work!!!

[twin garden]

how do that

[dusk lake]

Mod lets you slightly overextend the legs without them breaking. So you overextend the legs, then very carefully make a walk cycle out of it

[hardy tangle]

I wish it was really digitigrade

but because we haven’t any ankle joint it’s the same thing but reversed

[dusty matrix]

a little bit closer to true player horses

[twin garden]

i meant the leg break

[dusk lake]

oh, you force the other person's legs to overextend one way or another. I couldn't get mine to work fully without first hurting the dummy, but I don't really think that'll matter when most of the time I'll be fighting the person

based mine on the same idea as balota's: Grab, wrap around lower part of legs, tighten grip, lean back, pull person upward, and move legs back/down to force the extension.

[hardy vale]

this is actually a good strat. Blunt damage makes the joint lose its strength, making the joint easier to break (because the muscle isn't resisting)

[dusk lake]

That explains it

I wasn't understanding why dropkicking their legs made it work but that makes complete sense

I wonder if adding a small kick or something similar to the beginning before wrapping around would make it work *better

[lunar hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/kneecapkick-gif-5531068

[hardy tangle]

can we get a toggle for the limb breaking mechanic?

[hardy vale]

I'll add a slider, That way it can be disabled by just using the max value

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.0.10)

• Fixed glitch that allowed people to slighly bend their knees backwards

• Added slider to change the JointBreaking threshold

the fix on the Glitch forced me to change a few things about the system, so I'll need y'all to test different values for the new Slider and let me know what you think its best.

The best value should be one that allows ArmBars and LegBars to break joints, but also prevent arms from randomly breaking mid-fight

I suspect that this value is between 35 and 60

[sly dew]

was using 53 with a friend and def made it better

[dusk lake]

completely forgot to test stuff on my end lmao, I'll try to get some done tonight. I'm gonna do default first, then ember's, then I'll shift things around from there and feel if the other values are better/worse.

also cheers to the new pc mags

[hardy vale]

ty 😄

[north fossil]

Whip-punching with broken arm is cooking

[dusk lake]

https://tenor.com/view/baki-hanma-baki-slap-whip-muscle-gif-3702133927558479604

[dusk lake]

yeah i agree on what ember was saying for good values, low 50's, maybe high 40's if you feel like having more breaks and more risk.

[hardy vale]

Do legBars and ArmBars work on low 50's ?

[dusk lake]

They still work, i just need to do a bit of damage to the limbs first to soften them up, just like they would on default

It's a new incentive to not purely go for the head or chest, it gives a solid reason to make every part of your opponent a worthy target.

[slow acorn]

I need help. I download this mode and activated but when the game opens ı cant find how to ply can someone help me about it

[bright venture]

Yeah, sure. What ya got?

[pastel egret]

GG @bright venture, you just advanced to level 10!

[azure laurel]

It'd be really cool if you like made it to where you can break someones core by tackling them. It would be easier to do wrestling moves, because I was trying to see if a wrestling moveset would be viable and double and single legs are just useless because you cant lift their legs, or drive them forward.

[pastel egret]

GG @azure laurel, you just advanced to level 3!

[azure laurel]

Like if enough force is put on a standing leg its stability can break.

That'd definitely increase the viability of a LOT of things

Idk how hard that'd be though

[hardy vale]

it works like that right now, but you have to grab them first. Once you grab an opponent you can push, pull, or hit their legs to get a takedown

[slow acorn]

What should I do to play this mode

[slow acorn]

I think I need the moveset

[bright venture]

There's no specific moveset tied to this mod. If you are having difficulty downloading the mod, give me the details.

[young perch]

@hardy vale how do you consistantly knock someone out?

[slow acorn]

I saw guy that he made arn armbar which moveset is it

[pastel egret]

GG @slow acorn, you just advanced to level 1!

[hardy vale]

Hit their head or chest with enough force

[young perch]

Thank you

[sly dew]

Weatherd mma and Grip n throw v.3 have it

[loud sequoia]

how do i download it

i need to know!

[hardy vale]

you just gotta Install ThunderStore Mod Manager to install all the mods, once you do that you simply launch the game from ThunderStore

[twin garden]

@hardy vale

lost my legs again

[hardy vale]

How tf

That shouldn't happen anymore lol

[loud sequoia]

i did but how do i use the mod when i launch it?

[hardy vale]

If you launch from Thunderstore it should activate automatically

you can Press the F8 key and it should open a Mod Menu for different configurations for Unarmed Mod

if the Menu doesn't open when you Press F8 then the mod wasn't installed correctly

[sly dew]

Yo @hardy vale , has anyone been having issues with randomly dying of 'blood loss'? I'll be in the middle of a fight and just just drop dead. not sure if it's the unarmed mod specifically doing it but wanna check at least

[sly dew]

https://medal.tv/games/gladio-mori/clips/lHJCCv959Mp8L4p1p?invite=cr-MSwyOVYsNDU3MzMyMzU5

[hardy vale]

Yes, I've got a few report but haven't gotten any chance to fix it

I will bring an update soon

[sly dew]

alrighty cool, just wanted to make sure it wasn't something on my end

[pastel egret]

GG @sly dew, you just advanced to level 6!

[copper roost]

whens the port

[bold flare]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-gladio-mori-gladio-mori-hop-on-gif-8814360097957070673

[hardy vale]

someday

[copper roost]

How hard is the port

[pastel egret]

GG @copper roost, you just advanced to level 6!

[copper roost]

Bc reimagined physics didnt take thag much

[hardy vale]

It isn't too hard, Its just that I'm finding all the issues with the mod before updating (so I can fix them all)

So far I've created a new default config menu, and I'll be reworking grabs a bit

[sly dew]

what kinda rework we talking?

[hardy vale]

It will be harder to takedown an enemy with just a grab, and it will be easier to stand back up once you're on the floor (even while they grab you).

[sly dew]

So we won't have the weird one hand grab that immediately making you limp? lmao

[hardy vale]

exactly

[weak thistle]

it does not make you limp

???

you have to force them onto the ground

[sly dew]

There was a bug where simply grabbing someone would do the same as throwing them to ground and "knocking" them out. Making you completely limp without even needing to do anything else, I'm sure M4G will have it fixed with the port since bro always cooks

[hardy vale]

Update (2.1.0)

• Ported mod to Mod.IO

• Fixed bug that caused players to randomly die (I think)

• Changed default settings.

REWORKED GRABS (kinda)

• The new default angle to make people lose their balance for a takedown is now 45 degrees (It will be harder to make them fall)

• Grab responsiveness was improved, This should fix weird grab snapping and physics glitches

• Now when grabbing your hand will be fixed to the opponent's bodypart (You'll see what I mean)

• Force needed to break grabs was lowered, Now you can defend yourself from a grab by punching the grabbing hand or pulling with enough force.

• Increased Angle to recover from a takedown. If you have lost your balance, you can now recover it if you manage to put yourself in a "Standing" or "Kneeling" position (basically put your feet below your waist)

[sly dew]

gonna give it a go

feeling great so far, just need hip unlocker for mod.io and it'll be golden

[dusk lake]

Yeah, once hipunlocker is ported over, things are gonna pick up so much more

[copper roost]

yo can we get an option to disable bone breaking

its annoying

[dusk lake]

I thought that already existed, dislocation or w/e it's called? Or did that toggle get removed in the port

[hardy vale]

there was a toggle in the first version of Join Breaking

but I removed it with the rework

[hardy vale]

doesn't increasing "JointBreaking Threshold" to max disable it?

[copper roost]

no

for some reason

[hardy vale]

I see, I'll look into it, I also need to fix the mechanic itself since Arm-bars dont seem to be working too well

[keen agate]

how do you grab I don't understand what Hold and LooseHold means y'all 😭

[hardy vale]

inside the Move Editor you can make your moveset change HandStates when you press a key

but if you're new to the game I recomend using a moveset from the Community

you can search for them in Mod.IO or in #1310524219049902090

[hardy vale]

#1428438854586732614 message

this is one of my movesets, Its a Dual wielding moveset

and if you press H it changes to the "Unarmed" stance ("N" to drop the weapons)

[timid falcon]

Dumb question but how do you grab lol. I am new

[dusk lake]

if you're in the move editor making a move, there'll be a button for Hand States that let you choose between Hold, Loose Hold, No Hold, and None.

if you want to grab someone, you need to set your Hand State to No Hold, put your hand against the person/weapon that you want to grapple, then set the Hand State to Hold.

[hardy vale]

@dusk lake have you tried out the Mod.Io update?

I'm unsure whether or not the slow motion bug came back ._.

[dusk lake]

Can't, started getting sick as hell

[hardy vale]

Holy

Get better soon :']

[dusk lake]

Tjanks mate

[azure laurel]

is it possible to put people in leg locks and stuff

[timid falcon]

Alrighty, thank you man

[pastel egret]

GG @timid falcon, you just advanced to level 1!

[hardy vale]

yes

[azure laurel]

Sooo i could make a spladle

This is momentus

[hardy vale]

that would be a bit hard since currently people cant grab themselves

[azure laurel]

True

Also cause theres no character weight

Thats sad

[hardy vale]

now that I think about it. I only made grabs "Enemy only" because I was afraid people would grab the floor or their own faces by accident...

but now the Mod's playerbase is huge. I could change it to allow grabbing anything (walls, weapons and yourself included)

[dusk lake]

imagine a proper climbing mod. Scaling the walls of castles, cliff faces, and desperately hoping you can grab back on in time so you don't fall off

[hardy vale]

thats what I mean, I'd be expanding the mechanic without creating a new mod

I'm adding anything Sports and Martial Arts related to the mod

[azure laurel]

That would be awesome

[north fossil]

Cave diver when he see a 0.00001 sm gap : IM GONNA CLIMB IT!

Sees*

[dusk lake]

I'm already imagining the crab-like horrors crawling along walls and ceilings

[azure laurel]

Terrifying

[dusty matrix]

BEEN wanting this

[azure laurel]

Hollup how did you become spiderman

[pastel egret]

GG @azure laurel, you just advanced to level 4!

[hardy vale]

Nice, I'll bring the update soon

[north fossil]

We can grab ourselves already

Just cuz yo arm and stick it close to you!

[weak thistle]

i hope there will be a option to disable grabs for like your self

i try to grab and i will choke my self

[copper roost]

can we get an option to turn off bone breaking

its annoying

even at 100 or 1 threshold multiplier

still breaks

[north fossil]

is there any way of breaking my own leg?

[midnight rampart]

you dont actually play that zoomed out do you?

[hardy vale]

I kinda do. I use low FOV but I keep the camera far from the player

[near locust]

Hey could somebody tell me how grabbing works in this mod? I've got this mod via the mod.io in game and I cannot figure out how to use grabs, leg and arm bars and chokes.

[north fossil]

I was thinking about temples , the things that are near our ears,what if when you head is hit instead of getting ragdolled there was some other penalty? Currently one hit to the head with blunt or unarmed mod is straight death sentence,so you need to add some rules about not hitting those who have fallen or die after getting one hit

i know its mostly my lobbies that have lots of jpn movesets but

[hardy vale]

It works with HandStates. in the editor you can select "Hold", "No Hold" and "Loose Hold"

in order to grab someone you need to have your hand open (No Hold), then touch the person you want to grab, and close it (Hold) while touching them

[near locust]

thx

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.2.0)

• Added config checkbox to disable Slow Motion

• You can now Grab ANYTHING (including walls and yourself)

• Joint Breaking mechanics were improved

• It is now slightly easier to knock someone out by grabbing them and throwing them against the ground.

If you like my Mods and Movesets, consider Donating :] It helps a lot
https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=3XKHZNFE95L22

and yeah, Half Swording is now technically possible...

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.1.1) fixed some bugs regarding Takedowns and Disarms

[marsh lava]

video from my friend

nice update

[dusk lake]

Gonna try testing out self-grabs and everything else tonight, didn't realize it got updated

[raven mist]

should add an option to disable it

[marsh lava]

My friend said grab everything is very annoying and a switch is needed to disable it.

:(

[raven mist]

i think everything should have a switch

[hardy vale]

Could you clarify which specific aspect feels frustrating? There is currently a poll regarding the self-grabbing mechanic, as that is the feature I suspect some players may dislike.

@marsh lava

in other words, Is "Grabbing Everything" the problem?, Or is it just Self Grabbing what bothers him?

[marsh lava]

He said that whenever he was rolling, always grab the floor.

[hardy vale]

that shouldn't happen. If hes grabbing the floor while rolling it means his HandStates are going from "No Hold" to "Hold" while rolling

his character is actively trying to grab while he rolls, Is that intended?

[raven mist]

hes possibly making an attack that grabs people he rolls over

if thats the case then he needs to manually have another action to grab while rolling, because it will grab the floor instead if not a person

[hardy vale]

alright, I'm working on an Update

[raven mist]

i like the ability to climb stuff, for parkour it's pretty neat. id just add more options to disable features in the ui

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.2.2)

• Added Config to enable/disable self grabbing

• Added Config to enable/disable grabbing floor and walls

• Fixed bug that caused people to knock themselves out while self grabbing

self grabbing is disabled by default. But grabbing your own weapon by the blade (half swording) is always enabled regardless of the configuration

[dusk lake]

hehehehe

[dusk lake]

bee tee dubs @hardy vale, you made a mild capitalization mistake with the toggle for floor/wall grabbing

[hardy vale]

uhhh what

[dusk lake]

FLoors and walls

[hardy vale]

oh

XDDD

I'll fix it next update

ty for letting me know

apparently i've been having this issue the whole day, I guess I'm just stressed

[raven mist]

if anyone figures out how pear did his climbing move id love to see it and make my own

[dusk lake]

not sure if this is a bug with the climb, but it feels like letting go with one hand instantly ungrabs with the other too, even if it should be able to support the pressure

nvm im just weak

scratch that climbing grapples are just weak in general i think

[hardy vale]

there is a setting to change the strenght of the grab "Force needed to break grab"

Its kinda low by default to balance out grabbing people

prevents that weird grab and spin meta we had before

[north fossil]

Oh so we can play soccer and grab the ball

[hardy vale]

its desabled by default, but can be enabled through the config menu of the Mod

[dusk lake]

@hardy vale just confirmed it's not because of hold strength

maxed out the strength and it still lets go like im holding onto water when i start the next part of the climb

[raven mist]

thats been happening to me, try doing an animation that sets both hand states to no hold because ive been able to stop that by activating the windup of one of my grab animations

[hardy vale]

Ty, I'll look into this

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.2.4)

• Fixed bug regarding double grabs

• The Config menu is now movable/draggable

• Added new config "KO Threshold"... Its self explanatory, the higher it is, the less likely people is to get Knocked Down

• Improved compatibility with DwarvesAndGiants mod

[hardy vale]

How is the new update?, I haven't got the chance to test it in multiplayer

[sly dew]

Ko threshold has been nice, longer fights and more meaningful shots actually make you earn the ko

Still need to try more variations of the settings tho

[rough garden]

where can I get the mod?

[pastel egret]

GG @rough garden, you just advanced to level 1!

[rough garden]

ive been looking for it on thunderstore but it says its depreceated

[dusk lake]

you can find it* through the Mods menu in Customize, since gladio is mostly pushing toward using Mod.io for mod sharing

[lucid thorn]

It seems to be working fine in the different servers I’ve joined. Also I really like KO threshold cause now I’m not being knocked down by mearly being breathed on.

[marsh lava]

can you add a switch that make the grabbing auto snap on the character?

No Hold then Hold make me mad ;(

[cosmic totem]

Grabbing is a real skill—once you get the moves right, it’s super easy to land.

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.2.6)

• IMproved compatibility with Respawn Mod :]

[hardy vale]

If you enjoy my mods and movesets, consider supporting my work with a donation ❤️‍🔥

Your support helps me invest more time into creating high-quality content and speeds up future updates and releases 🚀

The link for donations is in my Bio (click my nickname) 🙂‍↕️

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.2.7)

• Fixed bug that caused limbs to break in Limitless

[deep crater]

dowload?

[hardy vale]

https://mod.io/g/gladio-mori/m/unarmed-combat#description

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.2.9)

• Fixed a bug where players remained grounded after being disarmed while the attacker continued holding the weapon

these dang bugs keep appearing out of nowhere 🥹

[north fossil]

🎾

[hardy vale]

If you enjoy my mods and movesets, consider supporting my work with a donation ❤️‍🔥

Your support helps me invest more time into creating high-quality content and speeds up future updates and releases 🚀

The link for donations is in my Bio (click my nickname) 🙂‍↕️...

[hardy vale]

UPDATE (2.2.10)

• Slight performance optimization

[narrow yacht]

Is there a way to turn off the thing where the avatar crash and burns after a light touch into someone’s elbow

[hardy vale]

Im not sure what you mean by that. But if you press F8 you can disable and configure some things about the mod.

[marsh lava]

Can I make a dependency mod for this mod to make grabbing snapping?

[hardy vale]

Sure, I'll change the Mod settings so it allows for it to be taken as a Dependency

for it to work you need to call "Grapple" OnCollisionEnter. If the hand is in "Hold" State, it will grab automatically.

[marsh lava]

i did but
[Unity] attempting grapple
[Unity] Self grabs not allowed, cancelling grab
[Unity] This hand recently grabbed this player, waiting for cooldown.

After a self-grab detection, it enters the cooldown

its seems even if the selfgrab is off, it will cooldown when hand collided myself

[marsh lava]

Could you put the cooldown setting after all condition checks?

[hardy vale]

🤔 I just looked into the code and the cooldown check is actually the last one (it runs after all other checks, including self grabs checks)

[pastel egret]

GG @marsh lava, you just advanced to level 19!

[marsh lava]

heres the snapping grab mod project

[marsh lava]

But when I tested it, when hand touched myself it went to cooldown

[hardy vale]

can you try again?, I updated the mod. I'm not sure if what I did will fix it, but it might

[marsh lava]

ok wait

[hardy vale]

I updated again, Self-Grabs no longer have a cooldown

[marsh lava]

ok thanks, wait me testing

its works, thank you 😄

uhh? weird

its work sometime

[hardy vale]

It will work once, then you'll need to wait for the 15 second cooldown.

My guess is that the first grab is actually succeeding, but the collision immediately breaks the grab, making it look like it failed. After that, every new attempt gets canceled by the cooldown system.

Press F8 and increase "Force Needed To Break Grab" to the maximum. That should prevent successful grabs from instantly breaking due to collision force.

[marsh lava]

im uploading video

anyways, it works most time, thanks for your help!

[hardy vale]

I'm going to sleep now.

Feel free to inspect the code with ILSpy or dnSpy and suggest any changes you think would improve the grapple mechanic. I'll review everything tomorrow and merge your suggestions if viable.

[marsh lava]

good night!

[hardy vale]

good night :]

[marsh lava]

https://mod.io/g/gladio-mori/m/snapping-grab#description
mod is released, you can test it tomorrow

[marsh lava]

Even if the Settings of Grab Floor/Walls are turned off in config, character will still grab map during using the SnappingGrab. I'm not sure if this is a bug of this mod

[marsh lava]

hmm It often appears. I think it still needs to be fixed.

[narrow yacht]

is anyone getting the "error in loading mod" for this mod and hip unlocker?

[hardy vale]

is this still happening?

[hardy vale]

its a common compatibility bug.

for now, the only way to solve it seems to be installing "Bepinex" on the game's folder

that will cause other errors to show up when you start the game, but it will allow for the mods to run correctly without any serious bug

[narrow yacht]

Doesn't happen to this mod now, happens to hip unlocker still

[narrow yacht]

is bepinex another mod?