jules-general・🦑

[iron mirage]

some people say everything will be replaced by AI agents around 2030

but my guess is it's around 2027

[somber thicket]

MS Project Singularity?

[iron mirage]

whats it

[somber thicket]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity/
It was an all C# written operating system

That was not what I thought would come up when i posted that link

Much better

[cyan bronze]

such a microsoft thing to mess up

[somber thicket]

Ent? The OS worked!

It was working just fine.

[cyan bronze]

IT JUST WORKS

[iron mirage]

actually it's kinda surprising MS isn't do much thing with AI

it seems like Google is far beyond them

[somber thicket]

They don't need to. They bascially own OpenAI

*pwnd

[iron mirage]

i know that they own 49% of OpenAI stocks

[cyan bronze]

well... wouldn't trash on their executives but their executives are kinda trash

[somber thicket]

And Open AI has to use Azure for hosting.

[iron mirage]

but there's something weird. I can see Trump is pushing only OpenAI

[somber thicket]

Google is using their own Coral TPUs to run their AI stack. Which is impressive as hell

[iron mirage]

it seems like he does not support Google that much even tho Google is so advanced

[cyan bronze]

yeah and open AI says they don't want bing or anything microsoft braded anymore I'm afraid

[somber thicket]

That's one fact is basically why I'm giving Jules a try

[iron mirage]

u know that US gov trying to push google down recently.
I am little bit worried about this.
cuz all we use about google AI can disappear

[cyan bronze]

well that would be too politcal of a topic for me but there are reasons he would want to

[somber thicket]

Cursed modrations

[iron mirage]

I want Ai model that can handle every Google services together

[sick juniper]

I'm giving it a try because I'm just too lazy

[spiral gyro]

it seems like the jules agent does not have knowledge of a file's location, could you guys provide a deeply nested file tree of the entire github repo inside the prompt? I'm having a lot issues with this especially in a C++ codebase.

[somber thicket]

A developer must not be Too Lazy

They should be lazy enough to want to automate things, but not so lazy as to not actually try

[cyan bronze]

4o can...

[iron mirage]

bro actually u better stick to other ai agents for this for now

[sick juniper]

Thank god I started learning about cockroaches farming :v

[iron mirage]

dont try to use jules only. that's not a wise move

[spiral gyro]

I'm just experimenting don't worry haha

[iron mirage]

then nvm

i am actually considering i may do a very hard and stinky messy physical job that people usually dont wanna do

so i can make money til singularity

[cyan bronze]

I first went into IT, when I got out of school I became a pastry chef. Never had a job issue in my life. best decision ever

[iron mirage]

so u are a chef now?

[somber thicket]

Did you see the video @sick juniper, about cockroach farming in China?

[cyan bronze]

making cakes instead of games and never had my jod threatened. Crazy

[somber thicket]

I'm not posting it.

[iron mirage]

wow

congrats bro

[somber thicket]

Robots will take that job too.

[iron mirage]

but much later imo

maybe in 10 years

[somber thicket]

2030 possibly

[sick juniper]

hell yeah!!! it's a really big industry. Even in Africa there are some farmers that export to China

[iron mirage]

:<

[cyan bronze]

well robots are far from being there

[iron mirage]

right

[cyan bronze]

but absolutely

[iron citrus]

https://i.imgur.com/8mvz28R.png

[iron mirage]

intellectual jobs may be replaced in 2030

but not physical jobs

[iron citrus]

Uhm... For a google product. A UI bug 😂

[iron mirage]

lol wth

[iron citrus]

wont even let me use the product

[iron mirage]

CEO is here 👀

[somber thicket]

Welcome to hell Vexoa. The ui doesn't work

[cyan bronze]

sounds like some microsoft self sabotage

[iron mirage]

lol

[iron citrus]

Use the tag if you'd like

😂

[iron citrus]

Yeah kinda sucks man

I love Google Gemini

would love a working competitor for Codex

since i pay cursor way too much money using gemini lmao

[iron mirage]

I feel like this cursor can be replaced soon tbh

cursor will be rememberd as an extreme bright super star with short life span

[somber thicket]

Cockroach milk

[iron citrus]

Tbh cursor is kind of terrible now too

I spend about 100-300/week using it

And the results are even worse

It used to be good, idek what they did

[iron mirage]

we need another leap. Ai gents are stuck on the wall

[iron citrus]

Claude Code is goated

[iron mirage]

brooooooo?

[somber thicket]

I should not have gone down that rabbit hole

[iron mirage]

that's too much for a week :0

[iron citrus]

I do enterprise work, its a good profit margin for me

[cyan bronze]

unrelated, but does the windows version of github let you merge branch directly in app? I'm using the flatpak so I'm looking for a version that wouldn't be a pain in the b

[somber thicket]

300 a week on how many AIs?

Just Cursor?

[iron citrus]

Well i switch between Gemini 2.5 Pro + Claude 4.0 Sonnet

Both on thinking mode

I dont even get it to write entire functions

I might make Claude Code, use Gemini 2.5 Pro

[iron mirage]

I heard Claude 4.0 Opus is exceptional

[iron citrus]

Yeah but the money 😂

I tested it

$30 for a simple web app

Done the same with Gemini and got the same result

[iron mirage]

so u started ur business with these ai agents?

:0

[somber thicket]

Please tell us

[iron citrus]

I do complete web applications, and mobile applications for clients across the world. I'm a one-man ship and currently have over 3k clients.

[iron mirage]

:0

holy

[somber thicket]

Oh ok. So you're a boutique dev shop

[iron citrus]

Yeah essentially

I'm only 19, so a long way to go

[somber thicket]

All enterprise applications? HOw do you get your clients?

[iron mirage]

what!??

how did u make that progress omg

[somber thicket]

You're lying. What's your background

[iron citrus]

All word of mouth

[iron mirage]

19 and having thousands clients wth?

[iron citrus]

I don't have a background, you're free to check Marc Lou's leaderboard

I'm on there, 5th place im pretty sure

[somber thicket]

What is the average revenue per client?

[iron citrus]

I dont hide my stats, all the info is public

[sick juniper]

me, waiting for him to tell how he gets his clients

[iron citrus]

Well it depends, It ranges from 400-2k/project

[iron citrus]

Well i had a ton of clients from Sneaker Bots when they were popular

[iron mirage]

400 is juicy still bro

[iron citrus]

And from then, word of mouth

I pay for no advertising, and dont do any SEO targeting

[somber thicket]

What's your domain?

[iron citrus]

I get referred by my clients

[iron citrus]

It's on my profile

[iron mirage]

damn

[iron citrus]

Correct, its a huge achievement for me

I'm not moving huge numbers, but im making a good living

[somber thicket]

How long did it take for you to go from 1 to 100 clients?

and how long does it take from start to delivered?

And by delivered I mean signed off

[iron citrus]

Well i built my catalog of clients from high school, so it took me like 3 months. Doing sneaker bots, scraping tools, discord bots and all of those things

Typically i have an under a week turn around, since they all want the same sort of site. I have a boilerplate to work from

[somber thicket]

Scraping Tools <- you cheat

[iron citrus]

😂 Well it was the hype

[iron mirage]

smart move

[iron citrus]

I made 4k for a simple discord bot + scraper

In high school

[somber thicket]

So you make a site in a week for them and they pay 2K?

[iron mirage]

4k damn

[iron citrus]

Yeah thats literally it

[iron mirage]

wow

[iron citrus]

My numbers aren't hidden. I'm fully open

[iron mirage]

mind blown

[somber thicket]

We can make a site in 15 minutes on gamma.app

[iron citrus]

https://shipfa.st/leaderboard

I'm the 5th and 6th on the leaderboard

[iron citrus]

Correct but these founders don't even know about the AI hype

They have the old mindset

I know a guy who paid 20k for an ugly wordpres site, was a template

[iron mirage]

lmfao

[iron citrus]

I told him to come to me, charged him 500

And included a fully custom backend + frontend for him

[somber thicket]

Which one is you anyways? Are you WrapFast?

[iron citrus]

Click the link

My username is the same

Gotta update my pfp though

[cyan bronze]

Make me cry when I hear this then hear someone refused to pay for a fully custom solution that was beautiful af...

[iron citrus]

Yeah i make beautiful designs too, if you check out my inkwell.dev site

[cyan bronze]

but this market is like that lol

[iron citrus]

I've got so many clients from that one design

[iron mirage]

a company contacted me they wanted to make their web service and i said yes
but then they required portflios so i didn't answer them anymore xD

I need to make portfolio sites

[iron citrus]

You want mine?

I can toss you the template

and you can modify it

https://tyrese.london

It needs to be updated

[sick juniper]

this is so true. I work mostly on digital transformation aka "cloud migrations and cloud architecture designs/implementations" and most of those people is so behind in practices and new technologies

[iron citrus]

Damn nice, you see with me. I'm more of a let my buddy handle all of that

And i handle making it work 😂

[iron mirage]

i didnt know that

[iron citrus]

But with Jules, once they fix the UI

I will be 10xing my workflow

[iron mirage]

bro u are trying to make me buy ur products xD

[somber thicket]

I must be of that old geneation because I'm looking at the site, hearing the info and I'm flabbergasted

[iron citrus]

A client asks for a new feature, 1k, run it though Jules, push to prod

and boom

[somber thicket]

@iron citrus do you even know how to code?

[iron citrus]

I'll give you it for free

[iron citrus]

Of course i do

[sick juniper]

There are people still trying to implement infrastructure as code. Most of their cloud implementations are made by hand

[iron citrus]

I built my own SAAS boilerplate

Working on expanding it as of now

As it was design-focused

Now i need to modify it to be backend-focused

As im fully into using Convex as my backend

[somber thicket]

Explain what your concept of backend-focused is

[iron citrus]

Well backend-focused in my mind, is focusing primarily on ensuring the backend is in a production ready state. Ensuring you're not repeating code, essentially good code practice.

[somber thicket]

That is the most surface level explination I'v ever heard. Do you mean the persistence layer?

[sick juniper]

@iron citrus checked https://inkwell.dev/careers and there are no DevOps/SRE Job offers 💔

[somber thicket]

(how old am i)

[cyan bronze]

it's impressive how good jules is at making large portions of code and how much he struggle with small edits like "roun\d the border to 30px"

[iron citrus]

Yeah i don't really need long explanations. I don't tend to overcomplicate things

[iron citrus]

Yeah this is just a hobby company of mine, since FiveM is kind of a hobby project for me

[sick juniper]

Just happened to me. I needed to change a validation and it just wasnt able to do it. I needed to change it by myself

[cyan bronze]

you can give him the exact element ID and he still will struggle it baffles me. but at this point might as well make the edit by hand

[somber thicket]

I like the light. That's cool

[iron citrus]

Yeah ive never been able to test it due to the UI bug

[somber thicket]

Its not a hobby if you're earning money dude.

[iron citrus]

I appreciate it, stole the idea from another site and modified it to fit.

They used a spaceship

[iron mirage]

Can Ai make that CSS?

[iron citrus]

Not from my Inkwell company

[somber thicket]

I can't find your name on the leader board. Ah well

[iron citrus]

My main company makes the money, that company is like passive income of 1-5/day

[iron citrus]

You can't?

I'm signed in, and see this

[somber thicket]

oop spelling mistake

[iron citrus]

Its my old logo though

[iron mirage]

holy fk

u r rich

[somber thicket]

Yeah you need to update that

[iron citrus]

Yeah going to update it soon

[somber thicket]

12K is not rich

[cyan bronze]

it's enjoyable but you just have the bug fixing left so it kinda feel like everything is slow but you actually gets through days of works every hours

[iron mirage]

bro

[cyan bronze]

mixed feeling honestly

[iron mirage]

he made 162k bro

[iron citrus]

I'm not rich, highly from it. My expenses are high right now. I pay for rent, 2 cars, and way more.

[somber thicket]

Sorry, 162K is not rich. Its richer than me. But it's not rich rich

[iron citrus]

Yeah its not rich, its financially stable

[iron mirage]

well i would consider it rich

[iron citrus]

I'm still trying to buy my dream car, and a house.

I'm far from it

[somber thicket]

But for a 19 year old, that's a hell of an accomplishment

[iron mirage]

2 cars :0

[somber thicket]

I've been a dev for 20+ year and have come no where close to that.

[iron citrus]

Yeah man, hopefully its fixed soon

[iron mirage]

wow really

[iron citrus]

I appreciate it man, i still don't feel it though. I always feel like i need to work harder

[cyan bronze]

well if you live in some area and make that yearly, you are still barely middle class. if you go in greece "that's still a rich country" you can buy a town

[iron citrus]

They're not that good, bought them both for under 3k 😂

[cyan bronze]

it depends reallyu

[iron citrus]

Hopefully your time comes soon man

Being a dev for that long, you deserve it

[iron mirage]

bro i dont have cars even tho i am pretty odler than u

bro is built differently

mostly people wouldnt do this at 19

they are busy playing their life

[somber thicket]

The last project I did took me 18 months and only netted 12K. I think my time may have passed

[iron citrus]

I'm just a tech lover, you'll get there one day bro

[iron citrus]

Your time definitely hasn't passed.
I wouldn't of taken that project, over a year and you only earned 12K. Your time is worth way more than that.

Have you ever thought of building a SAAS or anything like that?

[cyan bronze]

just making cakes a few weeks for xmas net that amount...

[somber thicket]

Yeah, I made mistakes. Turns out I needed to think like a female developer

[iron citrus]

[somber thicket]

You laughing. That project got real!

Fortunately, I knew how so I managed to get it done

If you're getting business word of mouth, then that means you're in a place where you can be seen and business comes to you

[cyan bronze]

like imagine... Mc'do would probably pay you better to wor part time for them 18m

[iron mirage]

he became a money making machine :0

[somber thicket]

Oh no. Context then: I mean minimum wage in Trinidad

[cyan bronze]

fair

[somber thicket]

3 bucks

[iron citrus]

Yeah i feel you, the longest project i took on was when i first began. Was in the first year of college, when ChatGPT wasn't overhyped.

I built a full chat app, with all the functionality. Published it and made 10K/mo. Shut it down due to my teachers trying to claim all my success from them. Decided to use my knowledge from that, to build my company now and expand. The struggles are real. You can handle it, that's all that matters.

Word of mouth honestly saved me, I'm terrible at marketing. But hey another Caribbean in the building. I'm Jamaican

[cyan bronze]

but I mean if minimum wage is crap in your area... is working remote an option?

[somber thicket]

From Jamaica in London or In Jamaica?

[iron citrus]

Jamaica in the Caribbean islands, wasn't born there

[somber thicket]

It was remote work 😦

[iron citrus]

Born in the UK

I got family all over the caribbean islands though

[somber thicket]

Oh ok, so you'r parents are Jamaican

[cyan bronze]

got a friend who worked for a few silicon valley company on permanant contract while working remote in a boat with starlink... brother is based ngl he doesn't give a *

[iron citrus]

Yeah a proud caribbean, im trying to triple my income to buy a house in the Caribbean for my family though

[somber thicket]

(Wow, I'm feeling bad about myself now)

[cyan bronze]

living in sint maarten rn

but I'm traveling soo

just been here for a year

[somber thicket]

@iron citrus Your story sounds like Survivor bias.

But that's ok. At least I know it's possible now

As someone who started coding 26 years ago and hasn't gotten a real break yet even though I have a lot of exposure, projects and practise under my belt

It warms my heart a little to know things are changing.

[iron citrus]

Damn nice, i need to see that traveling lifestyle

[somber thicket]

But perhaps not fast enough for this ol geezer

[cyan bronze]

piece of advice tho take it or not: make money for yourself, nothing good comes out from mixing relationships and money

[iron mirage]

bro u are already successful for this career.
u can just put yourself on some website then clietns will come to u easily

[somber thicket]

I'll try, i mean I bult the website after all.

[cyan bronze]

well I'm working hard on rating all the hospitals of this half of the planet rn :3

[somber thicket]

I'll have to spend some good money on setting up a US Delaware C corp to be able to accept payments

that's like 600 USD plus annual maintence.

[iron citrus]

Yeah i do need to work on how i say things, but hey. i got lucky.

You're still doing good, you have more real world experience than me. I just managed to find a way into the market that was quick and easy, I got a feeling my luck is going to die sooner than later.

[cyan bronze]

ouch. was it the better otion for taxes?

[iron citrus]

With the fact that ive seen some kids out here, making triple what i make. With a simple 1 feature app, changed my mindset completely.

I thought it was dumb at first, but that soon switched when i seen it happen every week on X

[iron mirage]

bros are successful :0

[iron citrus]

Yeah i get you

[somber thicket]

I can't receive payments into trinidad so it has to have a US bank account, which needs a US company

[iron citrus]

Doesn't stripe offer that service for like $250?

[cyan bronze]

well one thing I learn here is that people will spend money on some of the dumbest crap and miss rent at the end of the month lol

[somber thicket]

The service is 500 USD dollars

[iron citrus]

Damn

I didn't even know

[somber thicket]

I know, I have it bookmarked in my browser

https://dashboard.stripe.com/atlas

[iron citrus]

Yeah just looked it up myself

I thought it was $250

[cyan bronze]

yes but I mean the state, because from what I heard california is cheaper than most states

[iron citrus]

Yeah im trying to get my girlfriend to tell me all the struggles she has

So i can target those girl tiktokers with a dumb product

Dumb to us, smart to them

[iron mirage]

bro

[cyan bronze]

isn't stripe EU only? or is that outdated news?

[somber thicket]

Stripe is US as well

Well I was going through the registration. Registering as a Delaware C corp in the US was the route I looked at

[cyan bronze]

good to know i need a payement module for my project and IK stripe got the functions I need

let's hope it's cheap

[somber thicket]

and companies have to file their taxes one a year or get rubbed down by th IRS

[cyan bronze]

well I hope you'll get your invesment back in profit

[somber thicket]

That would be a nice to have

For once I'm not spening money on research trying to prove something to myself

[cyan bronze]

salaries are pretty decent in the us by your country standard so it should be alright

[somber thicket]

and actually generating revenue

A dev in the US makes 75K a year.

That's 510K TTD!

[cyan bronze]

that's more than 3$ right?

[somber thicket]

yes that's more than 3 dollars an hour 🙂

[cyan bronze]

not good at maths 🤣

😜

[iron mirage]

senior dev i guess

[cyan bronze]

it's average

[somber thicket]

The TT prime minister makes 1 Million TTD a year

[cyan bronze]

that includes todd howards for millions a month

[iron mirage]

in my country, junior devs make around 1.5k

[somber thicket]

Nope, Junior Dev

[iron mirage]

monthly

1.5k monthly for junior devs

[cyan bronze]

yes I think the lower end is 60k

[iron mirage]

bro :0

[cyan bronze]

you can't live on that in most area in the us after all

[somber thicket]

Imagine that right? 2 Junior Devs in the US make more than the TT prime minster

[iron mirage]

:0

[somber thicket]

And they had to win a massive popularity contest to get that job

😄

[cyan bronze]

meanwhile a 12yo in a diamond mine is happy with his chunk of break at the end of the week

[somber thicket]

Which is worse still

However, diamonds are technically worthless

their value is inflated

[cyan bronze]

rocks be rocks...

there is piles of it in antartica lol

but they are industrial grade

actually fine diammonds are rare (on earth)

industrial grade... is just rock

[somber thicket]

People find diamons walking on the beach in South Africa

[iron mirage]

hmmm

[cyan bronze]

yep

rocks are rocks

[somber thicket]

Man we're talking about everything but Jules. Is this what outrage talk is like 😄

[cyan bronze]

ruby and emrauld are common in rivers

in most area of the world

but they are small

[somber thicket]

Now Sapphires. That's my jam.

[cyan bronze]

not a problem of rarity more a problem of quality

lab grown that's were the value is at!

a massive lab grown quartz

I like quartz

is very un hype

[somber thicket]

@iron citrus , how many years have you been on the leader board again?

Cuz I just took stock of those lifetime earnings.

and recalculated my own.

[cyan bronze]

I want to learn faceting gems someday honestly

I'll make an AI for it :3

[somber thicket]

going to need robot arms for it.

[cyan bronze]

just build a multi purpose gundam.

[somber thicket]

Thats the next big thing AI is waitin on. Robot arms

[cyan bronze]

👆

[somber thicket]

And connected everything.

Like, isn't it funny how Alexa is still dumb

[cyan bronze]

nad just sip on a pinacolada under the martian sun while our robots are chooping trees on earth for money

[somber thicket]

Google Nest might get more AI than her shortly

That's not that far fetched actually

[cyan bronze]

actually yeah

[somber thicket]

Green houses in containers is apparently making a mint in California

There was a company that tried to do a farm in a warehouse, but they went bust.

[cyan bronze]

to plant pot all around the world lol

[somber thicket]

Reason: Engineers cost to much

[cyan bronze]

solution: LLMs if something goes wrong sue the AI company

🤣

[somber thicket]

Damn straight

Except they put that disclaimer abour how the thing can be wrong sometimes.

[cyan bronze]

wouldn't stand in europe because of the we don't apply moderation restricted

netflix just lost a case because of that

if it's abusive it doesn't stand legally in europe

in the US tho...

but anyway juges are going to be replaced by LLMs before it even make sense to do so.

I think one of the 50 states already tied actually

[iron mirage]

bro tis is amazing.

[somber thicket]

They should but they won't replace Judges with LLMs. This is because women also commit crimes

It has been statistically proven that judges give lenient sentences to female criminals for the same crimes.

The LLM won't be based, so women would end up going to jail for 25 years. That will trigger public outcry

[cyan bronze]

did you know that a relationship between two womans was on average two times more abusibe than a straight relationship and 4x more than a male gay one

[somber thicket]

Yep.

This is an uncomfortable truth but : Women resort to violence more often and faster than men

that includes verbal violence

[cyan bronze]

the issue with that approch is that womans are more prone to violance because of unstable hormones and black people are more prone to crimes because of poverty... doesn't mean all are like that. but statistically they tends to deserve a sentence more often

the reasons are deeper than gender and color

but yeah it would be a problem to replace juges

[somber thicket]

Nope, not hormones in women. Its part of the dna

and how the brain is wired

which is fine, because they are less abe to use violence effectivly

Their preciption of pain is more accute and they are less willing to be uncomfortable

so it balances out.

me thinks

[cyan bronze]

lol my girl is crazy af and 10cm taller than me so... I'll stay quiet on my aproval but you got it lol

[somber thicket]

lol

[cyan bronze]

perfectly balanced as all things should be

as a kid you don't realise how crazy it feels to have a girl scream a you for an hour because you moved pebble in the garden a few milimetters to then have her immediately proceeds to cry for another hour because she doesn't get why she got mad

[stray yoke]

THIS IS THE #jules-general・🦑 CHAT NOT THE GENDER DEBATE CHANNEL WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT 😭 BRO (respectfully)

[cyan bronze]

replacing ... by AI

[somber thicket]

Yeah we really drifted off topic

But we were trying to find a way to replace women with AI

I made a site for that

[cyan bronze]

Elon kinda is on that lol

[somber thicket]

But this place doesn't allow self promotion

[cyan bronze]

PM?

[somber thicket]

Its just a concept not a real project. If I get banned i get banned

https://hedybot.com/

Robotics will eventually catch up.

I believe in biomimetic hydraulic actuators

[cyan bronze]

that's it the solution... it was AI all along

[cyan bronze]

I want a steam punk bot

🤣

[somber thicket]

Comming soon!

[cyan bronze]

SOON ™️ *

[somber thicket]

And it makes sense to automate away the tasks of woman since they don't need to do much

Once it can make a sandwitch, real women are cooked.

[cyan bronze]

and we can make artificial baby

[somber thicket]

Babies? don't need em.

[somber thicket]

Madness

[cyan bronze]

girls be girls

[somber thicket]

Most young women today don't even know how to make a sandwitch

[cyan bronze]

It's the plan

not a coincidence

it's by design

[somber thicket]

I just want my Monroe bot

[cyan bronze]

a few kennedy said that before u

[somber thicket]

Well they are self sabotaging.

[cyan bronze]

my homie refuse to speak to girl since his last

[somber thicket]

Speak as in entertain?

[cyan bronze]

he's speaking to an LLM everyday

[somber thicket]

Yeah that's me in a nutshell. Haven't chatted up a girl since 2000

except for that one time.

but that doesn't really count.

[cyan bronze]

previous time was twelve years ago, currently living "that one time" lol

imagine... jules as a monroe bot

you flirt and you work

time efficient

[somber thicket]

Nah she gonna try to check out my .... and end up getting it stick in the zipper

[cyan bronze]

🤣

[somber thicket]

I'll wait till she's out of beta

[cyan bronze]

sounds real

[cyan bronze]

If someone read this out of context he's going to get sooo confused

[somber thicket]

Meh, everyone went home already

[cyan bronze]

well it's not a time to work after all

Imagine going home... that's why we need workers like jules, they work until they break at least

[somber thicket]

If they break and take your codebase with them then people will freak out

[cyan bronze]

that one employee that left the company and destroyed the database

[somber thicket]

And nothing worked anymore because only they knew about that 1 server that needed to be rebooted daily

[cyan bronze]

https://execsecurity.com/news/when-insider-becomes-outsider/

never gets old

but I mean that's what you get for underfunding the tech guy. If he wants an "AI accelerator" to power his AI girl you give him or you go bankrupk lol

funniest part when jules offspring will ask for his AI girl all silicon valley companies will rush to give him

[somber thicket]

Its like turning off the lights when you leave a party

[cyan bronze]

gonna sleep bye

[somber thicket]

bie

[vapid moat]

Wow, I requested a total of 10 runs a day. They gave me 60.

[vapid moat]

Wasn't this the guy that blatantly built it in as a backdoor and made no attempt to hide it and that screwed himself over like, if you do something like this, you definitely do it in a way that isn't, you know, something that's so easy to track back to you.

Also, in other news, I may have given Jules malware. I really don't know their operating system environment, and I'm pretty sure it'll be fine, as there's no virtual machine escape, but that's unfortunate.

[vapid moat]

Yeah and putting the generator in the back of your truck that's powering the whole shebang and driving off with it.

[crude echo]

Hi, i want to make video

[unreal sierra]

𝗜'𝗹𝗹 𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗽 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁 𝟭𝟬 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗼𝗻 𝗵𝗼𝘄 𝘁𝗼  𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗿𝘁 𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 $𝟭𝟬𝟬𝗸 𝗼𝗿 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻 𝗮 𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗸, 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗶𝗺𝗯𝘂𝗿𝘀𝗲 𝗺𝗲 𝟭𝟬% 𝗼𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗲𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗶𝘁. 𝗡𝗼𝘁𝗲: 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝘀𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝘀𝗲𝗻𝗱 𝗮 𝗳𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗱 𝗿𝗲𝗾𝘂𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗼𝗿 𝘀𝗲𝗻𝗱 𝗺𝗲 𝗮 𝗱𝗺! 𝗮𝘀𝗸 𝗺𝗲 (𝗛𝗢𝗪) 𝘃𝗶𝗮 𝗧𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺 𝘂𝘀𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗮𝗺𝗲 @Amelia8277

𝗢𝗿 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸 𝗶𝗻 𝗺𝘆 𝗯𝗶𝗼

[eternal oar]

they have a virtual macine, from the looks of it, as there are also very good integrated with setup scripts , or config scripts that can be run in a new clean vm. the user doesn't have sudo rights, from what I see, as I wanted to install docker, and couldn't get it working, either i had a typo or something but that just didn't work. therefore a linux without sudo. you can't really hurt that much

[vapid moat]

It was APT41's key plug.

[vapid moat]

I mean, I did know what I was using it for when I got the extra 50 prompts or so.

[eternal oar]

xD

[vapid moat]

But yeah I accidentally uploaded the NDA which was actually for a fake job which had my own name in it no less so not only was it personal identified information it was also extremely malicious and I know for a fact it works on Windows and Linux with no VM escape and I don't think that honestly it would have got anywhere but yeah you can't really get much worse

But yeah now using jules I actually successfully completely finished off the project I was struggling with to disassemble and then reassemble it into source code like functional actual source code

And I was attempting to extend the framework now into like a general JPEG analyzer because keyplug is actually three JPEG files embedded within an office file. At least this variant was a very modular

Like exodia from Yu-Gi-Oh, but for malware.

I asked for 10 slots a day they gave me 60 so obviously they're quite keen on the training data so I mean it has to be expected really

I'm gonna see what I can do because I'm currently in the middle of kind of a complicated sustained cyber campaign and I could do with a lot of tools rapidly making which have rather specific purposes....Sadly, I'm the target.

[eternal oar]

you can actually opt out for the training data, they are very transparent on that, and you don't need to search for it, it's a very easy setting in the portal...

[rancid hawk]

will flow, whisk, etc ever be available in europe? We also pay subscription even if we do not vote for Trump

[vapid moat]

I mean it's a private repo and I don't mind to be honest because well frankly they gave me all these extra points and for this I'm actually going it is private but I am going to specifically mark in the notes that they are welcome to review it that's how I'm probably going to do it because I can't really make some of these repositories public they're like weapons grade malware the some of them and the other ones are Just things I really don't want people having but the training data will be valuable like the fact that this was able to decompile that particular piece of malware is quite valuable and would serve as a pretty good template in future for malware decomposition which is you know kind of important

I mean 60 a day is ridiculous
Frankly, I can't see any reason they gave me that much, except for hoping that I put interesting code through it, and right now I really need to prototype out some tools quite rapidly, which means this could not possibly come at a better time. But again, they're not really things I want people necessarily having. For example, right now I'm having to build something That trains on my own typing and then eventually will be outsourced into a series of bots to pose as me for identity fragmentation.

[eternal oar]

Im building a full stack app, had the frontend done already, and now I'm building the backend for a high performance app, MVP for the moment, if I manage to make it work.

[vapid moat]

You'll be surprised at how powerful this program is but I found more so than anything else the key is extremely effective prompting like I'm not quite sure yet how to do it perfectly but you have to be so precise

[eternal oar]

i'm breaking down into feature stuff, then providing example code, and documentation and doing it very percise, i will have bugs and things to fix later, for sure, but it gives me the overall stuff that i NEED

[vapid moat]

Will it rebuld idkk

Nope

Looks like it would start from the beginning meaning it's probably faster if I just connect to the server and figure out how to do it in deb and completely

[cyan bronze]

Jules putting overflow: hidden and !important to all his css rules drives me nuts :

.ql-table-properties-form {
border-radius: 30px !important; /* Using !important to ensure override if necessary /
overflow: hidden !important; / Retaining this from previous attempts */
border: none !important;
outline: none !important;
background-color: #373737 !important;

like... brother... can't you just... not do that?

[dry glade]

I do belive that they should use a custom version of 2.5 pro, cuz 2.5 is the laziest IA of all time.

[cyan bronze]

also me in the prompt: please remove any pre existing rules
jules: I checked there's none
me: think intensify but there is...
jules: no there isn't
also jules but 30 prompts later: delete 800 lines aof old css rules

[dry glade]

He is also dumb

Like Jules get an dumb and lazy reputation cuz of gemini 2.5

That's sad tbh

[cyan bronze]

yeah...

[dry glade]

Also, the to the STAFF TEAM, beside making a custom version of gemini 2.5 you guys should add a system prompt or equivalent mechanism that acts as a strict reference — not just something the IA reads like a normal prompt, but something it must always consult before starting any task. It should check whether its response aligns with those expectations before continuing. Like personal rules...

[cyan bronze]

that I have no idea but at least it shouldn't say everything he does is !important like a politician

[minor trout]

Hi Friends - Is there a way to upload additional files for Jules once it has created the workspace? I've updated the gh branch but it cannot see it and I cannot prompt to do a sync

[runic valley]

hello everyone

Do you guys use docker to run database/redis/etc services or install them directly in the OS? Do you use the setup config for it?

thanks for the help!

[cyan bronze]

just runing averything on bare arch like a menace

[eternal oar]

I have the exact same issue, trying to get docker running without sudo inside the env with the config files, consistently having issues with builds and build checks with .Net environment, and I need a container runtime to build the backend, most of my errors are there and I can’t otherwise check it, i’ve done at least 20 builds locally and i need to speed the bug reporting faster. i’d very much like to know when the env config comes in, sometimes i feel like it’s after repo cloning and some work being done, which Is fairly inconsistent

[runic valley]

for me, every time I create a new task, jules have to figure out how to setup the whole environment even though I already set up the environment through the repo config. The worse part is that jules often fails to setup the envoronment and start giving internal erros and the task becomes unusable.

[runic valley]

that makes sense, the only problem is that if you use docker for local development you have to create a new setup script "from scratch"

[iron mirage]

god! Finally figured some shi* about middleware authentication logic for a service.
I could not do it alone so far but Gemini 2.5 Pro solved it thankfully.

[iron mirage]

This is the power of AI agent!

[mint heart]

Jules keeps doing this time and time again -

[cyan bronze]

make a new chat IG

publish this to a branch if you can and resume from there

[oblique ledge]

yeah, for me always i assign to fix tests. After some time just gives up and show that and it's hard to know what is done

is there another way to add an extra repository ? the "+Add Repository" from the dropdown list in Jules Task window does nothing.

[dry glade]

doing great to get the record

[trail narwhal]

Github -> Profile -> Setting -> Application -> add repo

[cyan bronze]

Is you UI alright brother? mine starts to lag out at about 1k

[dry glade]

It is x) i don't have lag or anything

[oblique ledge]

Found it! Thanks!

[dry glade]

doing great

[cyan bronze]

[fierce gull]

Hi Guys, I have asked Jules to create a Readme file but i cant find it on my repo, any one knows how can i find it ?

[cyan bronze]

tell him to do trivial edits to a comment and push the change to a branch, precise it's an apbsolute priority

should do the trick

[sick juniper]

sometimes Jules says that pushes changes but it doesn't. Assume Jules made the changes but in its local context and assume also that is delulu

[tall bolt]

Guys how to use veo 3 for free

pls

[cyan bronze]

sounds a bit stupid but remember that he crates a new branch after the edit so you have to switch to that branch

[fierce gull]

I cant find the branch

[tall bolt]

Who believes prompt theory

I believe

[tall bolt]

Jk

[fierce gull]

i am trying

[cyan bronze]

that ^

[cyan bronze]

it sould generate a commit message

[fierce gull]

i told it to show me the readme file and it worked

thank you

[cyan bronze]

good

Jules is not the movie tool, wrong channel I think

[tall bolt]

ok mb

[eternal oar]

Anyone figured how to run container builds with jules? 😕

[cyan bronze]

haven't but you can put a launch session script right? I suppose it can't be that hard to have it run a qemu instance or something that sort? never ran into comman limitation for now

⚠️ Doesn't know⚠️

[proper inlet]

I just launched me first jules prompt (100% NOOB) but I gave it a serious challenge, like the full functional- and non-functional requirements document that I would give my human development team.
I asked it to create a mono-repo with frontend, backend, pipeline and maintenance scripts.

It has been running for over 30 minutes, what should I expect?

My first impression is hopefull, but because it is working on it so long, I wonder what the result could be.

[cyan bronze]

my first task was hardcore level as well, took about two hours fully complete, was worth weeks of work.

pretty outstanding at large and harcore tasks

but pretty messed up on small tasks

also jules succ at css

just puts ! important everywhere and can't read it well. (it's css after all it look like what a drunk alien write to his wife to appologise for last night on his way to kndnap an human on earth) can't blame it

[proper inlet]

but will it continue working until all FRs are done? Or does it stop after some amount of responses?
it made this nice list of tasks in the TODO.md file, but I wonder if it would actually go allthe-way, or jsut quit afer x-amount-of-prompts (like openAI and antropic)

[cyan bronze]

there's a limit but it gives you a report and a branch to use in another prompt to resume from usually>

[proper inlet]

I just got the first 20 minute update, which seems to be alright...
I just asked it to "Reiterate, and continue where we left off.
use TODO.md as your main task list.
don't stop until each of the points has been completed."

let's see what happens

Overall, does anyone agree that for coding assistants, monorepos are the way to go?
e.g. with the frontend, the backend and any CLI scripts in the same github repository?

[sick juniper]

For solodevs? Monorepos can work. It's not that fun when team becomes larger

[cyan bronze]

depends what you build how many people you have I think

[proper inlet]

good point.
I am just the CTO of a small dev house, some inhouse products, and a few active customers.
5 FTE working in either frontend, backend or automation.
some projects only have one out of those 3, other projects have all.
but still, a small team....

[sick juniper]

I have a lot of experiencie working on digital transformation, cloud adoption, CI/CD automation and stuff like that. A solid plan in the begining can save you a lot of headaches. DMs are open.

Regarding monorepos, they can be useful if you have very similar patterns in the project. Another problem is when they are just a bunch of projects with no relations between them and then the management nightmare starts..

[proper inlet]

well, if you are from the same year as I am, then I will "call you"!!
DM-ing now

[sick juniper]

89s crew rules!

[eternal oar]

so, i use monorepo, I break them down in folders, i have a frontend folder, backend folder, in each dockerfiles for their respective builds, and then docker compose on top in the root with other files, a dockerfile can contain multiple steps tasks so breaking down for example components of the backend to be able to scale separately etc. and when doing all the tests, i usually deploy in cloud for real world scenarios, and depending on the task, i actually do some load testing.

p.s i work in the tech field as a cloud architect, old habits die hard, especially when it's overkill the way I do it

if anyone is running node and dotnet, here's a decent config that passed the configuration variable test in jules :
"
#!/usr/bin/env bash
set -euo pipefail

---------- locations ----------

LBIN="$HOME/.local/bin"
VOLTA_HOME="$HOME/.volta"
DOTNET_ROOT="$HOME/.dotnet"

mkdir -p "$LBIN" "$VOLTA_HOME" "$DOTNET_ROOT/tools"

---------- ensure precedence ----------

export PATH="$LBIN:$VOLTA_HOME/bin:$DOTNET_ROOT:$DOTNET_ROOT/tools:$PATH"

---------- Node 20 LTS (npm 10) ----------

curl -sSL https://get.volta.sh | bash -s -- --skip-setup
"$VOLTA_HOME/bin/volta" install node@20 pnpm@9

for exe in volta node npm npx pnpm; do
ln -sf "$VOLTA_HOME/bin/$exe" "$LBIN/$exe"
done

---------- .NET SDK 9.0.202 + dotnet-monitor 9.0.3 ----------

curl -sSL https://dot.net/v1/dotnet-install.sh
| bash /dev/stdin --version 9.0.202 --install-dir "$DOTNET_ROOT" --no-path
ln -sf "$DOTNET_ROOT/dotnet" "$LBIN/dotnet"

"$DOTNET_ROOT/dotnet" tool install dotnet-monitor --version 9.0.3 --tool-path "$DOTNET_ROOT/tools"
ln -sf "$DOTNET_ROOT/tools/dotnet-monitor" "$LBIN/dotnet-monitor"

---------- verification ----------

node -v # → v20.x
npm -v # → 10.x
dotnet --version # → 9.0.202

"

hope it helps if you're running stuff in this stack and need npm and stuff installed without running a new shell or doing anything funky, i did ask for the feedback to create a repo for the community on this, but until that gets done if it gets done, thought i'd share with whoever needs stuff like this

[cyan bronze]

this needs to be added to the documentation

[eternal oar]

i'm just a regular user like you, but felt like having this would be useful to anyone who wants to do stuff . also ensure that your prompt or your gitignore takes into account builds, and it doesn't want to push the entire build in git, for npm modules you can get up to 10k files to commit..

[cyan bronze]

If you ask him to move individual files the limit is probably way lower

like 1 or something

but that's helpful

[bitter mural]

does it really mean it couldn't complete the task ? i can see 90% of the promised stuff there unless i am missing something (very much possible).

[cyan bronze]

you're out of space in that chat, publish and move to another chat

jusles fails to tell that

[dry glade]

Say him continue just

[cyan bronze]

doesn't always work on my side

I assumed he had tried

[dry glade]

It does on my side

But one other thing i sawed with jules it's if you gave exact same prompt with exact same words exact same code ect he will say do name everything in the exact same way

Like his message his action are EXACTLY the same thing

So i doubt it's just gemini 2.5

I do belive there is something special about jules

[cyan bronze]

he's the chosen one

[dry glade]

I do belive he's a special one but not i good terms XD

[cyan bronze]

who said being the chosen one was positive? I like keenu but I strongly suspect neo to be on acid :3

[dry glade]

You know what should be good thing it’s jules having claude 4 sonnet thinking

Can you imagine da beast it would be ?

[cyan bronze]

Neo after he dropped crack and started training

[dry glade]

Paris Saint Germain winning da UCL before jules making a whole task without stopping or bugging

[cyan bronze]

or asking if it should go through with the changes you told him to implement 30 messages ago and still have not.

[dry glade]

😭😭😭😭

[somber thicket]

Did they sort out the UI bug yet?

[cyan bronze]

not but a workaround was found

[somber thicket]

Oh, what is it

[cyan bronze]

#1378203901106458687 message

got mad at the ui this morning so I inspected the element to understand why it was broken...

hopefully they fix it on monday

[somber thicket]

Alrighy. I'm using Codex to make the code and jules to fix the code's compile issues.

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

This should work out fine!

Aw, I forgot Jules doesn't know how to install dotnet 9

Wow, she's not going to be able to do it.

[eternal oar]

I provided earlier a method to install dotnet 9, issue is even after installing and version checking it crashes with internal server error..

[somber thicket]

Wait a second I think she created and modified a dotnet install sh and actually did it this time.

She made a dotnet-install.sh file!

well done Jules!

Can I link that somewhere for other people to use?

[cyan bronze]

[cyan bronze]

honestly his message should be in the documentation

the documentation page is a crimnal offence right now lol

[somber thicket]

In the past jules would give up and try to use python

Erm.. Drat, I wish someone with a YouTube following was around so we could kick em these updates

[cyan bronze]

seems RP for an unpaid intern

[somber thicket]

Codex also needs a dotnet install script to init the container image every time it boots

[steady onyx]

Hello. I just tried out Jules and I am in the process of reviewing the proposed changes.
Can someone point me in the right direction regarding the licensing terms of Google Jules?

[cyan bronze]

that's a good question if anyone reply I'd like to get pinged for the answer as well please

[somber thicket]

What do you mean by license?

[cyan bronze]

copyright and limits of usage, like wether or not comercial use is legally approved

[somber thicket]

as far as I understand, commercial uses are allowed, at your own risk

[cyan bronze]

the documentation is very "light" on details about the specifics but yeah... that's MY understanding, but I haven't seen it written anywhere.

[somber thicket]

So hold on. Do the AI's know how to attach a debugger and look at variables and such?

Cuz it doesn't seem like it

[cyan bronze]

it can add debug messages that trigger on events, but you have to collect the messages and feed him the result manually

at least that's what I'm doing

[somber thicket]

Ok, so all these code agents aren't able to attach a debugger!?

[cyan bronze]

never tried the others and I'm not sure tbh

👆 ⚠️ Doesn't know⚠️

[somber thicket]

If they can't attach a debugger then there is no way they can.... this must be a joke

😂

They are supposed to replace developers yet they can't do the one thing that has to be done for every project: The ability to attach a debugger!

Epic FAIL!

[cyan bronze]

if you describe the process manually maybe?

[somber thicket]

Can they set a breakpoint and inspect variables?

How are you supposed to describe that.

[cyan bronze]

worth a shot to ask

[somber thicket]

It should know. It shouldn't just be checking the compiler output

[cyan bronze]

something a bit infuriating:

Brother...

the chatbox give me tasks to complete

[somber thicket]

Yep. The thing is asking the dev for help. What a Fail.

[cyan bronze]

it's not a fail yet, for now it's beta, there's room to improve

[somber thicket]

But these companies are still going to beat their chest and say that their tools work just like they said. and fools will believe that and hype up the stock price.

[cyan bronze]

it's all about the clueless sharholders hearing AI and hitting buy

[somber thicket]

Dude, none of these tools seem to be able to attach a debugger. At least none of the popular ones I can find.

They all say "code generator". that is such a cope out

Programming is much more than writing the code

I'm glad I landed on this knowlege before I myself went out and made claims about the AI tools

[cyan bronze]

It's good, it leaves time for devs to get on their feets before it's too late

[somber thicket]

I just had to locate and find xpath's that GitHub Code pilot, Codex couldn't. Nah I'm not doing anymore research until I can get confirmation that they can attach a debugger.

[cyan bronze]

wouldn't say it's a bad thing at least

[somber thicket]

I once received advice from one of my bosses: If you can't attach a debugger then you're developing wrong and wasting time.

That came back to bite me with Classic Asp development not 2 years later.

I should have rewrote the entire app instead of continuing with classic asp. What a time sink

That was the single biggest mistake of my career

[cyan bronze]

lovely

[inner skiff]

I wish someone told me about the debuggers when I first starting creating my iOS app. So far I'm stuck with Jules it keeps telling me that it's having a problem with the execution environment and can't save files lol. It's kind of funny as if I have the Google Jules dev team on speed dial or something. https://discord.com/channels/1172568727942860810/1377822418747396137

[vapid moat]

Oh gid

Android ui XPATHs?

You're giving me nightmare flashbacks to my automated telegram registration bot. I had everything done except I couldn't find the goddamn user in elements. I couldn't launch the Appium Inspector, I about cried.

[somber thicket]

Dear Dear. Dear Dear.

[vapid moat]

Oops

I gave up on it because of that, and now I mean, uh, fk telegram.

[cyan bronze]

[quasi sphinx]

Changelog

[vapid moat]

We really are the bleeding edge. What do you mean the debuggers? Sorry. You can actually attach debuggers with this thing.

[vapid moat]

Hmm

That's actually interesting. I mean, I don't know, but has no one thought of it yet?

[cyan bronze]

I speculate most company making them did.

It's probably more a technical limit of some kind right?

[fresh pebble]

idk anything about debuggers, but sounds like an MCP server would cover that? https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/servers

[compact trellis]

im nervous

im putting jules thru a 300+ test suite refactor

[compact trellis]

something broke with the prompt adherence or tool use

very odd never had this happen before

[tall bolt]

K

[supple whale]

I'm not sure what to do when there's merge conflicts on something I'm unable to code myself lol. Any tips for a newbie on how to get over that hump? I get stuck when it happens and don't know what to do to get it over that obstacle.

[vapid moat]

Slam both of the conflicting scripts into another AI and ask it to sort it out.

[supple whale]

I'm upset that wasn't my first thought lol

ty

[vapid moat]

Yeah, I mean the last few days that my computer has been broken because someone managed to I don't know something about the kernel app armor not liking anything so I have to recompile it completely and Well, I've literally just been coding on my phone by bouncing things between different AI's and it feels terrible Like it feels like I'm literally giving myself some sort of venereal disease

I've had about half a dozen small different apps I've had to prototype out because of reasons and I mean yeah the AI tools I've got access to at the moment are making it too easy.

[thin tinsel]

Is it just me or is Jules completely unusable? The UI is extremely laggy, sent message doesn't register immediately, agent responses aren't shown until the tab is refreshed, etc

[vapid moat]

It's a bit slow, sure, but I don't really want that about. Just wait a minute, it does load.

[supple whale]

I assume the delay comes from it's high usage atm

[hearty lava]

hmm anyone know how is a session count? Like duration based? Message or task based?

[fast needle]

I have been getting this kind of error since yesterday, am I the only one? (I sent feedback about it already)

edit: it was because my .gitattributes was setup to modify binary files 🤦‍♀️

[minor trout]

Hi Friends - Is there a way to upload

[steep phoenix]

I was able to set up emscripten successfully in the config settings on the VM, including running the emcc command from a different directory, indicating that it is in $PATH, but when I ask Jules to run the emcc command to build something it fails and tells me the error was:

ValueError: Unexpected error: return_code: 1 stderr_contents: "cat: /app/emsdk: Is a directory"

[sharp forge]

this is soooo bad

[cyan bronze]

jules telling the user to do his work cracks me up

[sharp forge]

It's like that intern you told to specifically not do one thing and he goes on doing exactly that. Like, what is even your purpose? xD

[cyan bronze]

Getting bullied, "working" for cheap and be anoying sir!

[sharp forge]

NOW THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ❤️ BEST INTERN EVER xD I think I'll be coming back in a couple of months xD

cye guysss, best of luck!

[dry glade]

How far away from record now ?

[sly mirage]

do any one read feedback or it is just for formality

[dry glade]

The one given by jules or #1374125660859142254

[floral python]

Just above mine

[floral python]

They could be using a specific seed

[somber thicket]

@exotic mist remember when I said that the LLM's can attach a debugger?

[dry glade]

What do you mean by that brother ?

[somber thicket]

The LLM's can't attach a debugger to the code that they produce, so they are unable to fix logical problems on their own

They can't set breakpoints or inspect variables,

Nor can they change variable values and jump to see what would happen if.

Debugging is like 1/2 of all development work

they can only write code and check for compile time issues.

They can however write tests and check for pass fail

I noticed that no LLM I use has ever put in trace statements to assist it

Which they should so that they can at least debug via trace statements

I just realised that it is possible for them to do so if someone....

[sly mirage]

the one https://discord.com/channels/1172568727942860810/1374125660859142254

[somber thicket]

Yep, Wagz is a bot

[dry glade]

NAH

I'M NOT

I'M TURKISH

🇹🇷 🇹🇷 🇹🇷 🇹🇷

[dry glade]

I mean

They can use compile with-in their ide and fix those errors

[somber thicket]

Only if the compiler creates compiler errors

but they can't fix the logical errors in the code they generate

[dry glade]

Yes i agree with u

[somber thicket]

they also don't seem to be able to even think about using trace outputs either

[dry glade]

I mean if they "use" gemini isnt it supposed to be a new chat by task ? Cuz if it's so like if jules make an error at one point of code he will make the same error until you change yhour prompt

[dry glade]

You know what

I did a special prompt for like jules cuz i know he is dumb

And he don't take a word of my prompt and do da same thing

Same error

Same code

Same todo's

He is lazy

Dumb

And really just the same code

[somber thicket]

I once told her to write a program in C#, she couldn't do it and auto switched to Python.

[dry glade]

I don't belive it's an LLM really at level of gemini 2.5 pro

[somber thicket]

I'm gonna remember that mistake forever

[dry glade]

XD

[dry glade]

Nah if it's really gemini 2.5

I don't wanna know what they did to him

Cuz yes he is dumb 2.5 and lazy

But he do what he's supposed to do when you ask him

But jules just do the same thing the same errors the same placeholdors

Like it didnt even take time to change his placeholders

[somber thicket]

Intuition is what the LLMs are missing

they don't take inititives becuase they have no developer experience

They really act like junior devs 😄

[dry glade]

that's why i try to make him take decision

Wanna see my prompting level ?

[somber thicket]

Sure.

What we need is an experience file. Something to give the agent to read beforehand, so that they know how to develop properly

But developing this requires yet another LLM!

[dry glade]

Yes or some personnal instructions

[dry glade]

I do belive they have to make an LLM only on code reasoning and creating

[somber thicket]

Something that is gathering the experience and converting it into instructions. LIke ChatGPT's memory feature

[dry glade]

here it is my prompt

[somber thicket]

Or what if these companies are actually do that in the background, and we are providing the training data... for free!?

Wow, there are a lot of caps in that text

[dry glade]

idk it's just IA when i say to correct and put in order what i write to him X)

[somber thicket]

Wait...

What if that's how we develop AI's that can program. By mentoring them.

After they do something right, we ask them what they learn, and update the experience.md file

then when we start a project, we give them the experience.md file

Then we as experienced devs could capture our knowledge an skill into IP that our future generations could use

Which is exactly what those AI gurus were talking about

[dry glade]

Yeah yeah yeah boss

that's not bat too

But what i've imagined is a self improving code LLM just like you sayed but not just ofr us but for evryone not by stealing data but like if he can't do idk but python script someone explain him first he write it into a md file but also send it to a learning base

Do you feel me ?

[somber thicket]

Yes.

Except that I think these companies are doing that already. They are USING US to mentor these AIs and then keeping our wisdom for them selves.

They are mining the last most valuable resource in the world: The collective wisdom of thousands of people.

Once again, we are the product 😦

Then when the business owners submit their applications for Ai development. If the business model is ripe for automation, all of a sudden the business owner is going to find that they have a competitor out of nowhere

Why make a billion dollars from 1 company when you can make a million from a 1000 companies, except that the revenue is more stable.

"You will own nothing and be happy"

[dry glade]

Possible

Let's go find it and file a report on em

[somber thicket]

Can't. They own the means of production.

It cost hundreds of millions to build an AI farm

[dry glade]

We will find a a way

don't worry @somber thicket

[somber thicket]

Don't worry? Not possible

I often find that if I can think of it, then somebody else has already thought of it.

Great, now i'm sick

[cyan bronze]

yes what about it?

[somber thicket]

Scroll down

[cyan bronze]

[somber thicket]

@exotic mist well I figured out how to solve that problem. Now I'm skeptic on writing that solution

Yeah I'm out. Going to calm my nerves with Stellaris

[delicate fog]

Is there a way to get Jules to push code to main? No matter what I do it only seems capable of pushing to dev branches, even while it claims to be pushing to main 🤦

[somber thicket]

Check if your branches are the default.

Also jules make a branch and then you have to merge it

Sorry no "Do my work for me" button here. 😄

[delicate fog]

Booo, wrecks the vibes 😄 From Cursor I generally have it pushing straight to main, since I'm usually building out rapid prototypes.

Jules seems nice because I can do it all from my phone, and I'm subscribed to Google AI Ultra, so I'd love to burn through those credits.

I understand why throwing edits into a dev branch makes sense, but I don't want to have to be flipping between a bunch of different apps when iterating on a concept. It's so close to just being able to use Jules for everything, just missing the ability to push to main, and I don't really want to set up wacky automation to just auto pull dev branches or something.

Nice, found this:
https://discord.com/channels/1172568727942860810/1378191527641350215

[cyan bronze]

is that so? it's great then no?

[somber thicket]

Not really. Cuz once it's captured the AI makers can "capture" it as well.

Its too easy to steal

[cyan bronze]

[humble latch]

Anyone else got command timeouts today?

[cyan bronze]

it's not a bug it's a feature

[humble latch]

I asked Jules it said it couldn't change the time out from 400 secs to 10 minutes.

[cyan bronze]

if you are trying to perform tasks like moving loads of files try to ask him to make smaller batch with is command... for the rest I don't think there much to do...

[terse mason]

I have an early started project in Android Studio Im trying to build in KMP and am having some issues. Is there a way I can give Jules access to the project for help?

[humble latch]

How big is your repo where you let Jules lose?

[cyan bronze]

github

[polar rock]

Thanks for the task increase to 60, really convenient ! Especially, when one task is lost because Jules got stuck ^^

[cyan bronze]

I had an instance of jules breaking on me 4 times in a row making my daily tasks all go wasted on one single task...

[polar rock]

Yeah, that's so inconvenient. Sometimes you can rectify within the same task, but often it's hopeless

[cyan bronze]

to be fair I compensated quite a few time by making jules run a billion tasks in a single chat lol

[polar rock]

Sometimes when you ask too much, he's more prompt to fail ^^

[cyan bronze]

yes but since we where limited to 5... you do what you have to do lol

60 is much more confortable for testing

[rain phoenix]

have a VM setup script in my repo, have the vm configure command set to bash jules_setup.sh, verified that it works in the UI, but I still have to tell jules to actually run that script. Is this expected?

[somber thicket]

You have to put the contents of the in the window.

Is it a startup script?

[rain phoenix]

@somber thicket If I "run to validate", the output is as expected. If I instruct Jules to run jules_setup.sh, he can work as expected, and the output of the command is as though it were not run before. If I don't instruct Jules to run this file, he won't, and he will be missing important commands in his $PATH

So basically it seems this "Initial setup" command isn't run automatically

and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong

[somber thicket]

wait hold up. the content of jules_setup.sh has to be in the initial setup window for the envrionment

It won't exist on the container before that

Oh geez I'm thinking the wong Ai tool

ok, how did you get the jules_setup.sh script onto her VM? is she in your codebase? In the branch

if so then you ask her to find and run it,

[rain phoenix]

yeah jules_setup.sh is just chilling in the root of the codebase

[somber thicket]

what was the prompt?

[rain phoenix]

I just often have to prompt it to run jules_setup.sh, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it runs it many times

and I feel like it would work a lot better if it weren't the LLM having to decide to do this or not

[somber thicket]

LIke a startup script when the container or VM is initilized as opposed to the LLM needing to do a step

[rain phoenix]

yes

[somber thicket]

ChatGPT Codex does that very well

but it doesn't have internet access after the startup.

[rain phoenix]

Jules is also free rn >_>

[somber thicket]

Not for long

[rain phoenix]

how much are they gonna charge anyway?

[somber thicket]

Perhaps part of the 249 dollar AI package

[rain phoenix]

D:

[somber thicket]

So don't get too attached

[rain phoenix]

well I'm getting my money's worth until then

[rain phoenix]

I'm a Claude man but I really like Jules. Would switch if the price were right.

I only really need 10-15 tasks per day, 60 is a lot

[somber thicket]

Jules can take hours to do a task. 60 tasks in 24 hours is not a lot for some of us.

I used to burn through those 5 tasks in an hour and be unable to test for the rest of the day

[mint heart]

Jules has been booting VM for the last couple of hours

[tall bolt]

K

[vapid moat]

But I'm giving it really valuable training data on like really cool stuff. That's my plan. I'm gonna negotiate.

[vapid moat]

I got 60 when I asked but I mean that's probably because I put through some unique stuff. I mean it's not about quantity it's about quality at this point and I don't want to put through multiple on the same project.

At once

[quasi finch]

So when we had five tasks, I was asking Jules to fix some bugs. Fixing a bug counted as one task. When the code Jules wrote didn’t quite fix the bug, I was able to ask it try again until the bug was fully fixed and it didn’t seem to count as a task until the bug was truly fixed. I’m a little confused as to what constitutes one task

Last night I fed Jules 20 prompts and all of that seemed to count as one task.

I’ve got another 30 or so prompts that will be required before a new repository that Jules is building from scratch will be at its initial stage.

50 prompts, each of which took 20-ish minutes can’t really count as one task, right?

[south hamlet]

do we have any lifehacks on how to break the infinite booting VM cycle?

[quasi finch]

Is the task counter decrementing for anyone? I seem to just have 1 task used despite having loaded dozens of prompts that have been working all night

[somber thicket]

And there goes 3 tasks! Sigh.

It so nice that she keeps giving me thinkgs to talk about in this chat 😄

[cyan bronze]

🤣 Pandora's box, sometimes he exceeds expectations sometimes he doesn't even get what is the meaning of expectations...

also now he's running commands twice sometimes:

like brother... npm install ALWAYS have the same output it only depends on the parameters you give him and of the environement you try to install in

[somber thicket]

Is Jules down for anyone else?

[cyan bronze]

nope

maybe dns issue on your side? try a vpn?

you obviously have internet after all since you are messaging...

[fossil karma]

I wish Jules had an MCP with all the latest docs already included.

[cyan bronze]

just a real documentation would be nice, not even up-to-date... just actually existing...

hey... sometimes he do remove old css... OH! MY! GOD!

[vapid moat]

Um, I literally just say please continue or try again.

Most of the time it just works.

I should probably make a script or something that reinitializes everything and then do that.

[cyan bronze]

sometimes the chat just isn't even accesible anymore but yes in most cases just bullying him into resuming operation does work, he's an intern after all, he's very "receptive" to authority meaning he just does what he want whenever he like

[vapid moat]

Well, in that case, you're just buggered. I've heard from Gemini that actually just straight up bullying these tools works very well.

I'm talking going from two successful whatever to a task to 157 when straight-up threatened

[cyan bronze]

🤣

jules getting fired more often than Cloton from LTT

[dry glade]

Can you exilain me what an mcp

[humble latch]

Yeah I read the mcp GitHub repo documentation by anthropic and even I could not understand any use case for when creating code, and so much hype about mcp.

Are you all leaving long running tasks like npm run dev for the tests?

[cyan bronze]

as far as I'm aware, npm run dev isn't supported. at least the very light documentation provided say it's not

[humble latch]

Do you leave the web server running or do your scripts kill the web server after tests are finished?

[cyan bronze]

I just test on my computer, not even in a container because it's just easier to manage with the way I work.

so the web server gets resets only when I change the libraries and need to perform updates

[humble latch]

Wait you don't run tests inside Jules? And you copy and paste each error manually into Jules?

[cyan bronze]

You can do that?

But anyway I prefer to be able to do version control on my side in case jules crash

[fossil karma]

Yes please explain more on this please!

[fossil karma]

MCP is basically for the LLM to have access to outside data, so it could be used to always have the latest documentation.

[humble latch]

But can't you just feed it a documentation file in .md and put it in your repo?

Mcp sounds overkill for such a simple task.

[cyan bronze]

don't know much about thoses MCP but my understanding is that for private code documentation it's ok but when you need him to review the doc of a recent public tool/library/other it starts to be a problem.

for exemple I used jules to implement quill.js and some related dependencies and he was unable to find the last version of quill and the compatible version of the dependencies on it's own.

doesn't know

also I heard it helped llms interact with each others?

PS: please correct me if I'm wrong, I really have no clue about that stuff.

[quasi finch]

I use the github MCP to allow Cursor or Cline to see my github issues.

It’s a nudge to copy paste stuff like that

Instead of just saying, tell me what issues are outstanding

[cyan bronze]

I think I see better now, but in that case wouldn't it be better to have Jules be able to access the same test environment at the user, even if that means that the user needs to run Jules and install a remote control API in a vm, a container or something in it's own local environment, because console outputs aren't the same depending on what you are working on right?

I mean relying on git to do the job is pretty and all but I prefer to have full control over my test environment.

copy and paste have the flexibility and ease of implementation for now I suppose.

[cyan bronze]

brother... Now instead of only acting like an intern... He's even speaking like one...

Translation: I don't care, I never did, I did that in the past and I fully intend to do it again. Thank you for understanding.

[azure galleon]

lol

[rain phoenix]

MCP is an arbitrary protocol for exposing tools and resources to the LLM

it's not for anything specific, really

[quasi finch]

I’ve been using Jules non-stop since 9am. It’s almost 4pm. I’ve entered over 50 prompts. I’ve still used 1/60 prompts.

[cyan bronze]

the task count work as intended on my side, but if you do everything in a single chat yes it only consume one task.

nevermind the second part you actually precised that I'm blind lol

[quasi finch]

So no matter how many prompts I enter in one chat it’s one task?

[cyan bronze]

yes. at somepoint you reach the limit and it starts to lag so...

[quasi finch]

Juies has built a lot of code today for one task

[cyan bronze]

but yes

[quasi finch]

Yeah, I’m starting to lag now but I’m also getting tired myself

[cyan bronze]

we're in the same timezone it seems I'm at it since 7pm, ngl I'm pretty exhausted too lol

especially since most of the time consumed is bug fixes

AKA annoying af

[quasi finch]

Yeah, I actually started a little before midnight last night but stopped around 1am. I started this chat that is getting laggy yesterday

I’m pretty happy with the tests Jules is producing. The tests seem to be catching most of the obvious bugs before Jules pushes them

[cyan bronze]

true

honestly exept css errors he's doing pretty fine

[quasi finch]

I’m pushing ahead as much as I can because what I’m getting for free seems a little too good to be true. I’m worried Jules is going to be part of the $250 a month plan

I just don’t know if I can justify paying that much

I’m having issues with some mermaid diagrams but Claude and ChatGPT seem to have the same issues

I thought mermaid diagrams would be very AI friendly

That’s not exactly what I’m experiencing

[cyan bronze]

same tbh.

[cyan bronze]

well it's not that unexpected I believe

[quasi finch]

I’m basically building a glorified API so there’s no CSS but I am having mermaid diagram bugs so I’m thinking Jules needs to have some kind of virtual monitor or some kind of pseudo-vision to see things he’s “painting”

Have you tried the codecast feature? I think a podcast describing what my code is doing is going to be very 😴

[cyan bronze]

have not don't plan to

is the ability to delete old chat new or am I blind?

there's even a progress bar in the codebase page

[quasi finch]

Do you mean the purple bar that says “Jules is working”

Or the toast notification that says “working on” and then the name of a file

[cyan bronze]

don't have an active task rn can't show you but inside the codebases page when a task is neing processed there's a progress bar that's nowhere else

[naive quarry]

did we all just get a boost in daily tasks?

[cyan bronze]

yes

[naive quarry]

nicee

[cyan bronze]

there's a changelog fort that

https://jules.google/docs/changelog/

[formal tusk]

Yes indeed! This happened last Friday

Reading through this Discord and trying to catch-up. Ya'll are amazing -- thank you for being so vocal in this community!

[formal tusk]

Interesting and good to note!

[formal tusk]

Had to make sure the tasks per day appealed to all sorts of developers! Some may find 60 to be a lot but others find it just the bare minimum for their work

[rain phoenix]

Agree, but that rate limit does make me think the final product will be at a "pro" price point

[cyan bronze]

👆

[rain phoenix]

Which is fine but I'm just a humble open source maintainer. :)

[cyan bronze]

I was also looking for 15 when I filled my google form at the time I trough " I can't really go trough anymore tasks anyway in a single day" and I was afraid of the final price if the package included too many

[rain phoenix]

It definitely invites people to try it out though! Which I'm sure was the goal

[formal tusk]

Can't really speak about our pricing policy but just know that our team (AK, myself, Yasir, Wes, Ale, Rustin, etc) /really/ care about this community of humble open source maintainers.

[cyan bronze]

And not to defend small people but you know... but my understanding is that big tech companies probably will be looking at local solutions instead

Doesn't know

[rain phoenix]

Yeah I know you guys typically don't have much sway over the business end of it but giving away the product "on the cheap" to open source developers, maybe a restricted account type that can only work on public repos, would probably be a great inroad into big sales later on

"I want to use the tools I am used to at my job"

[cyan bronze]

Adobe strategy

[rough tendon]

yo guys i gave jules 1 task alr but the first time it did it and then asked me to check if the code has bugs and it had bugs so i told it where the bugs were and it said it fixed it but on the right side i check i dont see the updated code. i am new to using this tool how do i check the updated code

if anyone can help me

it would be great

[cyan bronze]

tell him to push the changes then tell him the bug persist or be a little more "persuasive" with the intern

he's a bit stuborn

he's still young and foolish after all

[rough tendon]

r u sure

will it push it?

I understand it would be much easier if I could push changes directly to your repository! Unfortunately, I don't have the capability to do that for security and design reasons. I can only work with code within my own environment.

The way we're doing it now – where I provide you the full updated code and you copy/paste it into your local files – is how I'm set up to help with code changes.

Please use the last complete main.py code block I sent you (it's about 398 lines long). Copy that entire block, replace the content of your main.py on your computer, save it, and then run python main.py.

Let me know what your terminal says after you run it. We need to make sure the bot starts up correctly without any new terminal prompts before we can test the website again.

[cyan bronze]

I'm the first to pest at him but be patient it's a beta tool. If you tell him to push the changes so he can test then you'll have two options: either start a new tasks to bugfix on the resulting branch (reliable) or telling him he's wrong and you are right (usually work)

[rough tendon]

where tf did it send the code block

[rough tendon]

but read it says its not allowed to push at all its meant to just probvide codes and we should update manually

[cyan bronze]

well I think it means it can't merge it with the main branch but it creates barnches alright don't worry

[rough tendon]

so what do i ask it to do

[cyan bronze]

the hundreds of old branches on my repo can testify for me lol

[cyan bronze]

tell him to push the changes to a branch so you can perform the tests because you can't access his testing environement

[rough tendon]

he will listen?

[cyan bronze]

try you'll see nothing to lose

usually he does comply

[rough tendon]

okay hopefully it works

[cyan bronze]

then if you have a console output with the error you feed him that, that what I do. if not you have to explain the issue again with more detail

but he's generally more obedient when he beleive you do as he says

at least that's my experiance

[rough tendon]

I wish I could push the changes to a branch for you! But as we've talked about, I'm not able to do that.

can i see screenshots of u making him do it

if thats fine w u

[cyan bronze]

it's fine no worries

[rough tendon]

thanks i just wanna check if it actually pushes the changes