flow-general・🌊

[stuck adder]

$250 for half the price of fast is still wild though,

That’s a lot of money per month

[misty nova]

Yeah this is the clarification I was looking for. I get the infrastructure issues facing veo right now which is why I personally am being understanding and patient with the situation but so long as what’s stated here is the case and that’s what’s actually causing the “temporary” 10 coin usage then I’m cool with that so long as this isn’t something that’s permanent as stated from one of the google support guys from @sullen mountain’s screenshot of the conversation he had with support

[sullen mountain]

How in the same announcement you can say "Peak Hours doesn't affect what things cost" ... and the next sentence "Price is increased" ....

[shadow warren]

also bad experience right now: You watch a video in full screen: get tossed out of it by a format changing "Can't generate video", you go back in, you get a "You are requesting too fast", which also kills your fullscreen and makes the thumbnails jump around. You go back in and get tossed out by "Might be against guidelines" (Warranted or false, doesn't matter).

Why do error message popups have a) to force out of fullscreen and b) make the thumbnails jump around????

[shadow warren]

well, that one i can understand: They wanted to convey that you dont just pay 10credits in peak hours, but all the time

[misty nova]

I’ll see later tonight if it goes back to 0

During the non peak hours

[stuck adder]

They’re saying the load seems permanent for now but until they finish load shedding the price needs to rise

[tough yacht]

I can explain this. In our original message, we shared when peak hours were, so folks who were unable to generate because we were at capacity could try when load was likely to be lighter. But this caused confusion, with some folks thinking that Ultra fast generations would still be 0 credit during off-peak hours. Does that make sense? That's what we were trying to clarify with the message you reference.

[stuck adder]

Yeah that’s what I said lol

[shadow warren]

are you guys aware of the netflix and amazon paybacks in the EU?

[misty nova]

Didn’t mean to reply, my b

[sullen mountain]

No, you are trying to change the price of a service already paid, and change afterward what was publicly said !

[sullen mountain]

you did not even change the official price on the website ! People are still buying ultra thinking it will be 0 token for fast gen.

[misty nova]

I think the support guy might have just stated incorrectly that it was permanent since Elias just stated otherwise

[near gate]

What? I read elias respond as it was a permanent thing

[tough yacht]

Thanks for pointing that one out - I'll make sure it gets updated

[hybrid pawn]

My next payment is in the 26th. I'll be unsubbing before then if nothing improves.

[tired forge]

I already did, and tomorrow I'll ask the consumer protection office

[sullen mountain]

And we are not "Some Folks" we are customers paying the most expensive subscription ...

[tired forge]

There are other brands offering unlimited generations, and I spent my money here

Now suddenly, I need to spend another 200 bucks

[sullen mountain]

Maybe some folks .... did understand the message correctly !

[misty nova]

I’m going to give a little more time before my next payment is due to see if anything improves with the situation but if not then yeah. I can’t really justify it anymore

[shadow warren]

It's not so bad. The "Video can't be generated" is currently so often, that i dont use any credits at all

[tired forge]

Yeah, not his fault, but they are not giving real info, just doing what they want

[near gate]

If the quality of the veo ai werent so bad, we wouldnt have to spam quantity. So if they can fix veo to do better, it would be less strain on the servers

[north wigeon]

I think you should "update" your superiors and let them know how upset your most loyal user base is instead of updating false prices after the fact. The people on discord are the most passionate about this stuff and clearly everyone doesn't like this change. Please push that message up the chain.

[tough yacht]

100% - I know it might not feel like it right now, but we want to give the best possible experience to Ultra customers. It's why we doubled AI credits to 25,000 not too long ago and why we will indeed bring back some level of 0-credit generations as soon as we can. If I could predict when or how many, I promise I 'd be saying it right now.

[iron quest]

I wish Sora 2 was available in NZ already

[hybrid pawn]

My next payment is in the 26th. I'll be unsubbing before then if nothing improves.

[tired forge]

The thing is, you should have mentioned that the 0 credits generations were conditioned to server traffic

[misty nova]

I do agree with that if that genuinely was their reasoning for the change

[north wigeon]

My payment was 2 days ago before the rug pull. #veo3Rugpull

[misty nova]

Ouch

[tired forge]

Yeah, I mistakenly spent 14k credits in quality videos

[sullen mountain]

A company cannot change their price/token during a subscription, you must respect a delay before changing them, allowing the customer to choose if they stay or not ! Whatever your communication is ! 30 days before price change is a minimum.

[iron quest]

Me too, used over half of mine on quality

[near gate]

They should just remove the quality 100 credits, i honestly can not tell the difference between fast and quality. It is not worth 10x the price

[tired forge]

You should make the credits visible all the time, or they inform you every time you spend them with a little emergent banner

[sullen mountain]

There is a small difference in quality

[near gate]

Is it worth 10x though?

[shadow warren]

the "Some" part makes me very sus

[near gate]

Maybe 2x the credit of regular but 10x is a bit much

[tired forge]

And the 'when we can' too

Give an option to pause the subscription then

And I'll come back when "some" generations are 0 credits

[near gate]

If they want to charge 10 credits for fast on ultra, they should lower quality on ultra to 20 or 30 credits

[sullen mountain]

Sorry to be pointy, i know you're not reponsible personnaly, but the fact is the laws and contract have been broken.

[silent spruce]

363663

[white crag]

Is anyone else having trouble generating videos with the ingredients feature in Flow? It’s not working on my end, so I’m wondering if others are seeing the same issue.

[brittle ermine]

i have the same issue

[feral dust]

There’s that “some level” wording again. Can we get some clarification on what “some level” means

[sullen mountain]

It does not matter, the fact is the recent European courts ruling concerning subscription prices change in Europe (Netflix in Austria/germany) wich invalidated vague price adjustments clause and made Netflix to reimburse years of subscription to customers...

Without even a 30 day warning period, this change price does not follow European Laws !

[bitter valley]

Yes 🥲🥲. I got a fun idea for my business and it is not working

[sullen mountain]

you choose a bad time with paying Fast gen

[slender needle]

Flow Ingreidents Videos not working for me for hours now. i am Ai Ultra Paid Subscriber. Didnt work last night as well for hours. Any one with any idea on how long this will last ?

[stuck adder]

I paid yesterday and my credits haven’t refreshed as yet wonder what’s happening

[restive needle]

💩

[fair gull]

Nothing is working on the Veo 3 side now. Sucks when you have a project deadline. 🙁

[sullen mountain]

I could have tried ... but now even fast is paid

[sullen mountain]

yep, new policy they changed price yesterday ! from free to 10 token

[bronze drum]

does anybody know if/when it'll go back to normal?

[restive needle]

It is already very inconvenient to use. It cannot be downloaded at once. The first movie in the folder cannot be scrolled to the bottom to see the whole picture. The fee is extremely expensive. 99% of the output videos fail to be generated. The movies are not generated in order. There are many problems!!

[bronze drum]

You cant even upscale the fast generations anymore

[surreal bloom]

I don't believe a whole lot in coincidence. I think this sucks. There had to be a better way to handle it. I will be honest I was very surprised that you could generate like 20x videos at a time (5x4). I only did it once to see how many times it would do it. I generally only generate 4 at a time and try to pick the best generation. I think a system that would have eliminated doing 20 at a time makes sense. Maybe you can ONLY generate 4 at a time and if you need more then it costs 10 credits per use or something like that.

And this just so happens at the same time Gemini 3 launches. Maybe they need more compute power or something? I am not saying I know everything - but when something smells funky I'm going to call a spade a spade. I can't even generate 2 right now because it's telling me heavy load. Try again later. Had zero problems for the past few weeks after joining back when I realized it was 0 credits for fast. This is just highly disappointing all the way around. There absolutely had to be a better way to handle this. I'm sure going to cancel this subscription when my month runs out again.

[restive needle]

1080P cannot be generated at 9:16, and it is very troublesome to generate 1080P at 16:9. Why can't I use the preset?

[bronze drum]

I'm pretty worried that its all downhill from here.

[restive needle]

In my opinion, SORA2 is much better than GOOGLE. It’s so disappointing.

[sterile shore]

TIME IS MONEY! The 10 per generation aside right now this cant generate because its busy right now is NO BUENO. I dont generate all day. Like probably many of us we got lives and have to plan making our content around a busy schedule after working to get things such as prompts and workflow ready. Not being able to create that content when you do have the time is a slow drain and waste no matter how "good" the deal is as some say..... which messes up the content release schedule....now back to your regularly scheduled programing -D

[iron quest]

I wish I could try sora 2 but it’s still not available in NZ

[crisp basalt]

so.. my theory is

[restive needle]

GEMINI 3 PRO is still not as easy to use and as good as GPT. In fact, your data is also deceiving users, and now it is increasing the price without warning.

[crisp basalt]

theres .. group of people or should i say , scalpers, figured out how to get the Ultra plan for free through the Google Workspace trial, and it overloaded Flow’s servers. Because of that, the team temporarily removed the “0-credit” perk for Ultra users, so videos are being charged 10 credits each for now.

just my theory

hopefully google team able to stop these people

[restive needle]

I bought Google AI Ultra because I wanted to enjoy unlimited generation. If there is a certain number limit, I would just go back to using SORA/GPT. At least there won't be a lot of problems.

[crisp basalt]

and life still goes on .

[gilded vault]

Can someone help me understand why the “Create video from components” feature isn’t working, and when this issue will be fixed? I’m willing to pay 100 credits per generation as long as the quality and turnaround time are guaranteed. Where is the development team right now?

[crisp basalt]

imagine having to mention sora/gpt many times just to get google attention . what a clown

https://tenor.com/view/drake-drake-meme-rapper-embarrassing-drake-embarrassing-gif-14154814324941847170

[bronze drum]

We should get googles attention... But hopefully they already know that everyone is upset.

[restive needle]

I just hope that points will not be deducted. Including points is written on the fee schedule.

[dry frost]

Kind of wild how many new accounts are up in arms after a little change in service. I doubt many them know that Ultra users were paying for gens before.

[crisp basalt]

oh im sure they know already, they just dont wanna waste their energy and time trying to satisfy people

[crisp basalt]

exactly

[bronze drum]

who wants it to go back to that tho?

[crisp basalt]

i bet these new accs prolly bought the ultra plan from randos sellers

[iron quest]

It’s the reason I didn’t pay the larger price before. Then they introduced the 0 credit gen and made it worth it

[restive needle]

Luckily I didn’t use all my points on Quality

[crisp basalt]

Welp… I guess we can all politely thank the creative exploiters out there because of them, Ultra users don’t get the 0-credit perk anymore! 😄

[misty nova]

I was hoping with it gonna be temporary but after getting clarification yeah, I don’t really see that being the case

[misty nova]

I don’t think that really matters in this scenario where some of these people chose to subscribe to ultra for that perk and them feeling it justified the cost.

[bronze drum]

what do they mean by: We will restore "some level" of 0-credit fast gens for Ultra subscribers as soon as we can handle the load.

[misty nova]

I don’t really know to be honest, it’s not super clear as to what that’s supposed to look like in the future but who knows

[sullen mountain]

We do not read ideogram, but yes ! We have same problem.... they changed price without notice !

[iron quest]

Maybe a generation cap or between certain times. Who knows, could be anything

[bronze drum]

It makes it seem like its definitely going to not be how it was before... And I don't trust that it'll be better than how it already was

[restive needle]

It seems that he thinks it can make users consume more points, so he should try it first, so that he can earn more funds to purchase additional points.

We are definitely conducting stress tests on old users.

[bronze drum]

The most annoying part is just that the rate of failed generations has skyrocketed. its almost unusable rn

[crisp basalt]

It means they need to sort out the whole “people exploiting the Google Workspace trial to claim Ultra for free” issue, so they can stop the sudden spike of brand-new accounts showing up with Ultra plans

[bronze drum]

is that the confirmed reason?

[misty nova]

Dude really be out here 100% sure of himself

[restive needle]

At least after using it this time, I won’t renew it for a short time. This is what you want from GOOGLE, right?

[crisp basalt]

yes i am sure

😄

[misty nova]

Where is your actual source for any of this…?

[crisp basalt]

i mean i would go on and expose few people here in this server who does this exploitation but

😄

[restive needle]

Why not cancel this policy? Instead, it will erode the users who paid for it?

[misty nova]

Unless they state it directly out of their own mouths crazy work just saying that’s the reason on googles behalf

[crisp basalt]

i mean even if they state it themself im sure you and others are still not satisfy lmao

[bronze drum]

Bruh

[crisp basalt]

in conclusion, go take a break. go touch grass. go rest. its not the end of the world

u weirdos

[misty nova]

Regardless of whether it’s true or not I don’t see a google staff role on your username… intill google or someone who works there says that why would anyone take anything you say seriously

[bronze drum]

bruh

[misty nova]

This guy man…

[iron quest]

Okay so there’s some exploit. Fix the exploit. Don’t tarnish the people who actually pay $200 a month for a service who suddenly had things changed on them

[restive needle]

Forget it, what should be continued is still to be done, work, they don’t understand users’ complaints anyway.

[crisp basalt]

arent u supposed to go back to gpt or something lol

😭

[bronze drum]

wyd picking fights on the flow-general discord

[feral dust]

They’re not going to give you a free subscription for defending them lmfao 😂

[wicked glen]

I think the load is because of the One billion summit coming up .. but please restore unlimited generations on fast mode ...

[misty nova]

lol exactly

Dude riding the corporation is crazy work

[sullen mountain]

a time limitation or time limitation could have been acceptable but not a paid one !

[crisp basalt]

lmao true , but i wasnt defending anyone 😭

[restive needle]

I used GPT to generate prompt words and used FLOW to make them.

[bronze drum]

😂

[feral dust]

Huh? Brother I’ve been watching you shill for a corporation for the past like 10 minutes wym

[crisp basalt]

apparently me saying go touch grass = angry people woops

yall need to chilll 😭

[feral dust]

What does google pay you for every post?

[misty nova]

Bro… your in the google labs discord server telling people to touch grass?

Make it make sense my man

[iron quest]

Nothing, it’s simping for free

[misty nova]

Indeed there will always be those people defending a corporation that doesn’t even know they exist

💀

But hey maybe he really needs the free veo 3 point handouts

[restive needle]

Free? I paid for Google AI Ultra

[crisp basalt]

In conclusion, everyone who grabbed Ultra through the Google Workspace trial exploit is basically paying the price for it now. 💅

[misty nova]

Was talking about Mr PR man here wrigley

[feral dust]

I think you’re the only one who did that here bruh

[restive needle]

It's because of the payment that I get angry. The price is raised without announcing it in advance.

[feral dust]

I haven’t seen anyone talk about anything remotely like that until you brought it up 💀

[crisp basalt]

so lets thanks these exploiters for the mess we're facing rn 💅

[bronze drum]

You mean that everyone that payed for the subscription is paying the price?

[misty nova]

Literally they only person here talking about it like it really applies to people paying top dollar for the ultra subscription

“Need to touch grass”

[crisp basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/takes-sips-tea-drinks-aahh-gif-21284011

[misty nova]

Homie… you’re in the sever ridding the corporation…

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312096167462572033/1436150408493142046/attachment-15-1.gif

[feral dust]

He’s posting gif’s n stuff trynna be nonchalant acting like he wasn’t whole hogging a couple minutes ago

[narrow breach]

---

🎬 MUSIC VIDEO TEASER PROMPT (Google Flow)

Prompt:
Cinematic 12–15 second music video teaser. Mood: dramatic, emotional, modern. Visual style: ultra-realistic, film-grade color grading, neon shadows, soft bokeh lights, dynamic slow-motion shots. Show quick cuts of the artist walking in rain, close-up of eyes, silhouette against city lights, hands reaching out, shattered reflections on glass. Add dramatic transitions, lens flares, light leaks, and smooth camera movement. Atmosphere: dark romantic, mysterious, intense. No text or subtitles. Looks like a premium Bollywood + K-pop fusion MV teaser.

Settings:

Aspect ratio: 16:9

Camera: slow motion + gimbal shots

Lighting: moody, cinematic, low-key

Quality: ultra high, 4K style

Music vibe (for visual inspiration only): emotional pop, trap beats, modern Bollywood ambience

---

[misty nova]

Ong…. 😭

[unreal viper]

reminder to please be respectful to all users! thanks all

[onyx eagle]

Why the fast mode takes 10 credits?

[unreal viper]

we have #flow-tips-n-tricks・✏️ for more help with prompts!

[crisp basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[restive needle]

Be careful, the price of points has been increased now

[misty nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388643611037532213/1391425298683269191/togif.gif

[restive needle]

I'm done complaining, I believe I'm talking to the air

[misty nova]

In a way we are kinda just screaming into the void

[feral dust]

Yeah just cancel your subscriptions and wait for the inevitable class action

[fading dirge]

heavy load it says, weird, its not like an update came out to be causing such heavy load that they have to start charging creditsa

[restive needle]

✅

[sullen mountain]

A better explanation maybe, some english words are missing 😉 !

[fading dirge]

a better explination? but it doesnt explain anything lol

[full flicker]

Hello, we wanted to remind you of our server guidelines, stated in #start-here・📍 : “Currently, our team can support engagement in English; the discussion in this server will largely remain in English for now.” Please keep in mind that non-English discussions and content may be removed. Thank you.

[restive needle]

I don't care about that, I only care about my feelings

[sullen mountain]

We feel betrayed same as you !

First they lure us with free fast gen, we pay, and they make it paid ...

[fading dirge]

well idk whats going on on their side but maybe after its all said and done, they will reimburse the credits

[iron quest]

I wish but think that’ll be wishful thinking

[restive needle]

I don’t believe that this kind of temporary deception of users will be compensated. Anyway, I canceled my next subscription.

[plush gate]

There is a vulnerability in registering the Ultra trial plan for enterprise users. With just a few dollars, it is possible to create 50 user accounts, each with 25,000 credits (or even 45,000), and they are allowed to use VEO3 Fast without limits. I believe this is the biggest reason causing the overload on Google’s system.

[crisp basalt]

boom!

[sullen mountain]

They know who is a real paid user i guess....

[wide ether]

... and that is inline with what I suspected, a massive sudden increase in accounts in which even per account rate limiting wouldn't prevent hitting the google cloud platform's hard limits.

[sullen mountain]

or... gemini3 used so much power they had to limit veo3.1 capacity

[crisp basalt]

nah, its the exploiters who used so much power

[restive needle]

Why not adjust to the family user type? Shared points

[sullen mountain]

They did not respect the law by warning us about change price !

[crisp basalt]

i mean, that feature already exists under Google One’s family sharing anyway

[sullen mountain]

Thanks for sharing

[plush gate]

The issue is that when you start a 14-day Google Workspace trial and fully verify a domain (even a very cheap domain costing only a few dollars), then verify a payment card (there are many services that can create virtual payment cards), the Google AI Ultra for Business plan currently allows trial usage together with the 14-day Workspace trial. When the trial ends, Google places a hold on the card and waits for renewal. During this waiting period, you can still use the Ultra features until the hold period ends (usually 1–4 weeks). This means they only spend a few dollars for the domain and a virtual payment card but can obtain a Google Workspace admin account (which can create 50 user accounts, each with 25,000 separate credits) for 30–44 days.

[crisp basalt]

oh yikes

no wonder flow server has been getting server overload issues

in conclusion, we all should thanks the exploiters 😄

[crisp basalt]

I really hope Google cracks down on those exploiters as soon as possible. thanks for the full explaination btw

[plush gate]

Anyone who knows about this can report it so that Google becomes aware of the issue, because it affects paid users who spend 250 dollars per month like me :((

[misty nova]

I don’t understand why the google staff won’t just explain the situation as is if that’s what’s screwing them over and as a consequence normal paying google ultra users. They don’t have to go into extreme detail but this type of outline or some acknowledgment to the root causes would be nice and go a long way

But I definitely have seen people selling google ai accounts around and those accounts were probably made around the exploit you just went over

[crisp basalt]

I’m not sure where or to whom I should send this screenshot from a WhatsApp group I’m in the guy was showing how he’s trying to get a free domain just to abuse it for the Ultra Business plan trial-

not me snitching

[misty nova]

I’m pretty sure you probably could jus get in contact with one of the google people in this server and send over any fraud information you have

I wouldn’t even call it snitching at this point since they literally are harming the actual paying normal consumer

[sullen mountain]

even with the 10 credits price... we are still vastly impacted since , they can recreate an account for ... nothing !

damn .... it is real

[crisp basalt]

this is basically why everyone’s melting down right now, lol

i hope these exploiters will pay the price for doing this

[misty nova]

Looks too good to be true but that’s crazy

Rip flow servers

[meager wolf]

It's cheap isn't it?

[sullen mountain]

not even a cofee in tourist place

[sullen mountain]

@tough yacht

[misty nova]

@ staff somewhere

[sullen mountain]

or @median flume

[crisp basalt]

i think laura is more to gemini related stuff but yea i think elias will do

[storm haven]

I think Google should be doing what Grok is doing. They offer about 30 free video generations per day. This way I think people won't bother with creating new accounts.

[misty nova]

But what are the economics for that though

[storm haven]

No idea

[crisp basalt]

i think google did? , they gave 100 credit monthly free for new users

[sullen mountain]

in poor country ... 50 account * 2 euros = 100 euros its a lot

[storm haven]

Yeah, that's about 5 videos per month 😁

[misty nova]

I mean better than noting

[crisp basalt]

when the new user was so excited to try Flow and forgot to change the model to fast mode before generating a video-

[misty nova]

People selling midjourney accounts, kling ai accounts, ChatGPT accounts

Actually crazy wth man

[bronze drum]

Will they bring back free upscaling on fast generations?

[sullen mountain]

doubt it

[crisp basalt]

upscale has always been free wdym

[storm haven]

Fast it's about 20 credits per video if I'm not mistaken.

[bronze drum]

Its gone rn

[misty nova]

It’s still free?

[crisp basalt]

wait what

[misty nova]

Hold on let me look

[sullen mountain]

Upscale is not good quality btw ! better use another software to do it

[misty nova]

Yeah it’s still free

[crisp basalt]

unfortunately agree, i guess thats why its free

[misty nova]

But it’s not very good so

[meager wolf]

I don't think so man, some people is just greedy and need much video for content

But give more credit just like before i mean each member family get 1000 credit should ne enough good

[misty nova]

well there you go

[storm haven]

By the way in my experience upscaling makes the videos look worse. I recommend comparing the frames between upscaled and not upscaled, you might notice some weird stuff. I'll post 2 screenshots to show you what I mean.

[misty nova]

yeah hints why its free

grab a copy of topaz ai

[sullen mountain]

VideoProc has a free trial unlimited if your video is less than 5 minutes 😉 !

[crisp basalt]

I remember the Google DeepMind page mentioning that the Veo model could do 4K output, but if 1080p already looks like .. not good , I’m not sure how that adds up.

[storm haven]

You guys can click on the 2 frames. The left one is unscaled, the right one is upscaled. Notice how the right one looks.

[misty nova]

yikes

[crisp basalt]

ooh them pores , wrinkles, hairlines,,

[sullen mountain]

It is flow problem ! They only generate 720 and upscale it ! But with API you can have real 1080p

[crisp basalt]

actually, is it really native 1080p?

cuz i did try the api upscale, and it kinda looks the same as flow?

idk

[sullen mountain]

ha .... i didnt tried myself

[fading dirge]

All this exploit stuff probably cause nano pro not to be released today. Until they figure this out

[sonic crescent]

Render out at 720p and use Topaz upscaler for now, built in upscaler is mushy

[crisp basalt]

topaz is really good

[restive needle]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-slap-toy-stretch-toy-abuse-gif-8522373636109174808

[stuck adder]

It’s soooo good

They badly need 1080p though

[white crag]

OMG. I’m still unable to generate videos using the ingredients feature. This is a paid service, it really shouldn’t be having issues like this.

[gleaming lynx]

Drone shoot

[noble carbon]

it sometimes works for me rn

if not try using frames to video and pray and crop the beginning

[vagrant flare]

Will veo 3.1 no longer be free?

[frosty shell]

It is still free in a way brother

They mentioned once the load lessens it will be free again

[iron quest]

No they mention in “some level”. That is very much open to interpretation and doubt it’ll be completely free again

[normal ruin]

#flow-general・🌊

Make a video

[uncut igloo]

They said it would only last an hour, from 8 to 9 pm, but it turns out it still costs 10 credits at any time, very disappointed that they have degraded the tool for us.

[tardy ridge]

yeah that sucks

there are other tools that offer free gens at this price level

[iron quest]

I never saw them saying it would only last an hour. This is an indefinite thing till they say otherwise, and even then don't believe it'll be restored fully, as per this popup that just appeared now, they note "some amount"

[raw oak]

don't upscale. use topaz or something like that

[raw oak]

The message changed. yesterday it's peak hours now it's permanent

[iron quest]

This is what it said yesterday. The peak hours was only referring to when would be the best time not to generate, not that the credit amount would only be charged during them unfortunately

[raw oak]

I think google flow communications folks need to engage this group at this point. You can't build a community like this and not answer people.

[raw oak]

What a weird place to put a message for a price hike. Inside a message for service disruption. The disruption has moved from a platform issue to a human one sadly.

[iron quest]

Yup, maybe trying to slip it in, who knows

I brought it up as soon as I saw it on Reddit yesterday before the credit price increase

[raw oak]

It was clustered with the launch of Gemini 3.0 too. They need to address the issue. I think this is a great community here. What a pity.

[proper drum]

I agree. They want feedback on their product to improve it, but they are not able to comment on the situation or listen to how what they plan to do could affect their most active users or those who contribute feedback.

[raw oak]

I just saw this message in the announcement section. They state they want to re establish 0 credits for ultra subscribers as soon as they can handle the load. this is very good

[iron quest]

It's in the wording. They said "some level". Likely it'll be capped each month or day, not back to how it was completely.

[raw oak]

you are right. some level. what does that mean.

[iron quest]

Exactly, no one know when or what it will look like sadly

[analog geode]

It's Google's way of limiting us because they bit off more than they can chew. We all joined for the 0 credits thing and now it's too much for them to handle. Instead, we're all going to run out of credits way before our pay cycle and then have to spend money on more.

[raw oak]

so you get 10 a day. or whatever

[iron quest]

That's what it is generating videos through Gemini, so wouldn't surprise me

[raw oak]

They need to be clearer on the pricing structure. For many folks here the ultra plan is a lot of money and if they are willing to shell out the money it's because they believe in the tech. You want to take care of those folks.

[iron quest]

I only subbed to the Ultra plan because of the unlimited generation

[raw oak]

I did too but also saw the model capabilities. The problem with veo is that many generations fail. You need to generate many to get what you want. The audio is choppy and not totally reliable, The upscaling has issues. When you have to pay for failed generations then it's not right.

[obtuse rapids]

me too. 1 year subscription for that and now what. it's completely a scam.

[proper drum]

In discord say “Peak hours don’t affect what things cost”

So if that is not what affects it, then why are they changing the cost of VEO 3.1 fast from 0 to 10 credits?

They are saying in flow announcement that the cause is the “service disruption”, “We’re experiencing extremely high demand”

[analog geode]

It's funny that now we're using 10 credits/generation, more of my videos have no audio... 🙄

[raw oak]

those should be free

[iron quest]

I'm going back to making the most of my 10 free gens a day in Gemini before using credits first and foremost

Okay never mind, apparently it's only five. I dunno where I thought 10 from

[restive needle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-esperando-mr-bean-waiting-gif-4513135960021631723

[warm orbit]

Hey guys, is anyone else experiencing veo3.1 being “dumber” than usual?

[tardy ridge]

lol just last week i'd sold the production company Im working with on using Ultra because of the zero cost to FAST "we'll refine on fast then move into Quality" now I look like a dummy

and peak hours is when I get to work on these projects, so yay....

[misty nova]

dam.. 💔

[proud mortar]

Did anyone else get hit with the sudden 10 credit charge for Veo 3.1 Fast?

I literally just bought the Ultra subscription yesterday because it said Veo 3.1 Fast was "Included." Everything was free (0 credits) yesterday. Today, I wake up and suddenly it's draining 10 credits per video. 🤯

The documentation STILL says it's included. It is so frustrating to see policies change silently like this within a day of purchasing. It feels like a bait-and-switch.

Devs/Mods, can we get some clear guidelines on this? Is this a bug or a silent nerf? It's really hard to trust the service when rules change this frequently without notice.

[gentle creek]

Everyone is facing dam same problem.

🥲

[gentle creek]

here https://discordapp.com/channels/1172568727942860810/1319424029681258557/1440827242715414638

[proud mortar]

Thanks for the info, Asad. Sad to see it's an official nerf, but at least I know now.

[shadow warren]

Yeah, quality go down, Bugs dont get fixed, let's raise cost instead

[bronze drum]

Shoulda never trusted google...

[forest frigate]

Exactly

[wicked glen]

I think its because of the upcoming One Million (or Billion) Summit .. they extended the submission deadline so now I think a lot of folks are just ramping it up with generations trying to make something, in time to submit.

[native barn]

money game lets switch to sora or kling.

[iron quest]

If only Sora 2 was available in my country. Kling unfortunately can't do speech

[proper drum]

Any prompt to get “no audio included” 🤣🤣

[vivid hazel]

What’s wrong with Flow ?!
I really have to complete what I’ve started and month ago and now Flow site is down .. whenever i wanna generate anything it says it fails

[little condor]

👍

[vivid hazel]

I don’t care if there was high demand on the site .. just do something about it !!
Kling and sora never gets down or fails to generate anything even though they probably have more users

[iron quest]

Generations aren't producing audio and now we're paying for it too

[restive needle]

I know, I've stopped subscribing until officials hear our complaints

[lapis pine]

lol this is some BS

[iron quest]

Yes, it is

[vivid hazel]

The site can’t even generate one image tf !!

[lapis pine]

Their service don't work properly, and because of high demand they add back cost, amateur like behavior from Google

Pathetic really

Can't even use Nano banana atm at all either in Flow

[iron quest]

You'd think if any company would've been more prepared, it would be Google

[fair bane]

This is BS. Just limit concurrent generations instead of making us pay for a service we subscribed BECAUSE it was unlimited and BECAUSE we know AI is not perfect and need scores of generation to obtain the desired result...

[lapis pine]

surely this isnt even legal to do? To all of a sudden just add back cost when the terms were different when signing up

[iron quest]

My thoughts exactly

[lapis pine]

yeah a lot of scenes I generate like 20-30 or even more with different prompts until I get what I want. Those 10 credits add up reaaaaaal quick.

[iron quest]

They do. I have limited my generations to two at a time now, and I have regenerated FIVE times one scene now because they're generating the video without sound

Make that seven 2 x generations with no audio so far, giving up for tonight

[lapis pine]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-disappointments-day-is-ruined-gif-15834250

[vivid hazel]

Y’all people are complaining about the unlimited generations while I’m fighting demons cuz of multiple google accounts that I’ve made in order to get more free credits
I literally have 10 google accounts with student subscription that has only 1000 credits and i’m using them all to have 32-40 second of good generations per account lol

[kind bison]

People like you are the reason why those of us on Ultra need to pay now.

[lapis pine]

32-40 good seconds from 100 generations is TERRIBLE.

[vivid hazel]

Bruh
It depends on how long you use the site
Not how many accounts you have on it
And I don’t even use it for more than 2 hours a day!

[lapis pine]

That is why these sudden change of terms is disrespectful AF from Google

"Flow is experiencing high demand. Please try again in a few minutes."

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-15269798551521577556

[vivid hazel]

“Couldn't generate image. Try again later.”

[lapis pine]

Love paying money for air and frustration

fantastic

[vivid hazel]

For pro subscription you’re going to lose 20 credits for each veo fast generated clip
So they’re actually 50 generations for me

[lapis pine]

still not good enough if you make full long movies over 1 hour long

If you sign up for something where a service is promised to be included, it should be included, its just BS and unethical to do what they have just done

[vivid hazel]

Man im tryna reach 7-8 minutes only lmfaaoooo

[lapis pine]

I've had to go from spamming 5 generations with 4 versions each (so 20 animations) to doing 1 single animation at a time 🙂

oh and it fails like half the time as well

[real gazelle]

#flow-general・🌊 I am truly a happy player in the Flow! I’m creating videos and reels of every size for my business and my clients, and now I’m even planning a web series using it. Thank you, GEMINI, for helping turn dreams into reality.

If anyone here is facing challenges in creating videos, feel free to ask I’ll be glad to share my experience and help.

[lapis pine]

dont come here with your positivity when we are mad 😂

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-penguin-mad-angry-pissed-off-gif-17426291

[iron quest]

Sounds awfully spammy with your last paragraph

[restive needle]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-slap-toy-stretch-toy-abuse-gif-8522373636109174808

[real gazelle]

I am always positive whatever the situations 🙂

[lapis pine]

ok, you asked if we had any challenges in creating videos

[vivid hazel]

From my experience i found out that 2 outputs per prompt shows u some good results
Don’t ask for 4 outputs if 2 outputs didn’t fail triple times at last

[lapis pine]

Every generation fails, they now cost 10 credits instead of the promised 0 (included), nano banana on flow doesn't work. Can we have a status update what's actually going on?

[iron quest]

I’ve just dropped from four to two now it costs

[lapis pine]

That is what you can help me with Aamir, give a proper update to when this service is going to work flawlessly as we should be able to expect.

Otherwise drop the cost to $10 a month and its on par with the current state of Flow

[vivid hazel]

Good luck man
Wish it gets fixed asap before i go crazy

[iron quest]

I gave up on generating tonight. A lot failing. When they do finally decide to generate, no audio. Waste of credits

[lapis pine]

go crazy rn just get it over with

[iron quest]

Yeah me too

[real gazelle]

#flow-general・🌊 I’m not asking anyone to contact me personally 🙂 I’m here to help everyone openly. I even asked Flow if there’s a way to share my credits with others, since I still have credits available!

[iron quest]

Especially when paying $220 a month for it

[lapis pine]

Give us 500,000 credits a month and its all good

[real gazelle]

nothing it is

[iron quest]

And the $220 is half price too 💀

[vivid hazel]

I’m seriously losing my mind with this website right now. Every time I try to generate something, it freezes, crashes, or throws some random error like it’s doing me a favor. I refresh the page a hundred times and it still acts broken. What kind of ridiculous system is this? I swear, if this site glitches one more time tomorrow, I’m gonna lose it. Fix your damn servers already, this is getting absurd this is disgusting !
<@&1366831844502274180> <@&1173646484311384114>

[lapis pine]

there you go

I hope you feel better

[opaque sand]

After 10 hours, NanoBanana in FLOW still does not work with references. Allow me to give a good hard squeeze of the neck to the genius who decided to run Gemini3 on the power of a dog sled team...

[real gazelle]

#flow-general・🌊 I am noticing some issues also coming during generating a video , maybe its server issue.

[analog lava]

Hello please refrain from pinging the mods regarding non server issues. Please ping us if you see something that goes against server rules which can be found here #rules-and-guidelines・📋 . We understand that you’re frustrated but we ask for your patience and to give the Team time to try and take care of the current issue.

[restive needle]

It’s not the first day your film production failed like this...

[lapis pine]

Ok but can we have a legit answer as to why the people in charge believe its ethical, legal and reasonable to add a 10 credit cost when 3.1 Fast was promised to be FREE?

We're not going to wait for a reply, we demand it

[zealous tusk]

wich ones?

[uncut igloo]

Yesterday they said it would only apply during peak hours and that they would charge 10 credits. Now it turns out they’re going to keep it running 24 hours a day. And from what we’ve seen, they’ll probably give us a few free generations per day and then start charging 10 credits per generation. This would be perfectly fine if the videos were actually useful, but the truth is that right now, for 250 euros you end up with a bunch of generic videos full of artifacts and defects, that don’t really do what you asked for and with terrible resolution.

[zealous tusk]

It feels like a scam...

I payed for the advertised unlimited fast generations, now they charge 10 credits, im in the middle of a work im doing that was counting on the 0 credits due to the amount of video i have to generate now im in trouble

what alternatives do we have? The chinese seem to have cheaper options...

[glad condor]

I am not very happy about this 10 credit thing it's the only thing that made me use veo in the first place, I hate stressing over counting credits. Hopefully they sort the load balancing out asap and return it to what was promised

Look at my username I was a fan of Sora and made the switch, hope I don't need to switch again 😔

[tired forge]

I asked for a reimbursement already, if not given back in a couple days, I'll send a claim to the Consumer Protection Office in Spain.

[unreal garnet]

Diselo Javi

[gentle creek]

i am litterly losing my mind.😂

[zealous tusk]

This is affecting my job, as i cant say to my client the same that google has said me. That i will increase their cost after making the deal.

[tired forge]

This is all a scam, saying things like "We'll restore some level of 0 credits", as our subscription time pass by

[lapis pine]

watch it end up being something like 10 free per day

such b u l l s h i t man

[zealous tusk]

very dissapointed with this

Is there a way to join together to make a statement about this situation?

[sullen mountain]

@iron quest : Maybe start a new chat , he have struggle with big chat ...

[glad condor]

Exactly!

[sullen mountain]

The most annoying was some employee saying , we misunderstood their communication .... Calling us "Some folks" , and that price increased, deal with it !

[tired forge]

If anyone has an account on X with some level of followers, maybe they can post something. The more pressure we put, the better.

Reddit, and so, too

[fair bane]

I suggest first step is to complain here : one.google.com/support

[tired forge]

I did, but it will take 1 to 4 work days to answer, just to tell me the same they've posted here, while I am wasting my subscription time.

[zealous tusk]

I fully understand that pricing models may evolve over time, but such a drastic change without prior notice puts independent creators and professionals in a very difficult position.

I rely on Veo 3.1 for client projects, and because I had already committed to specific delivery terms and budgets, I am now unable to transfer this unexpected additional cost to my client.

[onyx eagle]

This is unacceptable

[sullen mountain]

Its a consequence of a not legal solution (in Europe at least)

[zealous tusk]

I share this message as an example to write to google support: I am writing to express my concern about the recent update that changed Veo 3.1 Fast video generations from 0 credits to 10 credits per generation in the Ultra plan. This sudden increase significantly affects my professional work, as I rely on stable pricing to deliver projects already agreed upon with clients. I rely heavily on Veo 3.1 for ongoing client projects, and because I had already committed to specific delivery terms and budgets, I am unable to transfer this unexpected cost to my client, putting me in a difficult position. I fully understand that pricing models may evolve over time, but such a drastic change without prior notice places independent creators and professionals in a very challenging situation. I kindly request clarification on this change, whether it is permanent, and if any alternatives or adjustments are available for users who depend on consistent pricing. Thank you for your help and attention.

[proper drum]

I agree, a very bad move by the team. I’m in the same situation and with projects that already started

[sullen mountain]

You cannot change price instantly without letting your customer a chance to unsubscribe

you can search answer message from @tough yacht on this chat and you will see what is their official answer ! ..... Saying we misunderstood the message and we are just some folks !

[zealous tusk]

Complain in X tagging @GoogleAI, @GoogleOne and use hashtags like #Veo3 #GoogleAIUltra.

[tired forge]

Yeah, did it but I just used it as an AI news source, so no reach

[sullen mountain]

Share it here !

[onyx eagle]

I've literally subscribed their Ultra plan 3 days before they increase the price

[tired forge]

@FontanalsJ62231 this is my user in X, but I literally just used as a news source, so no other posts or followers. If someone else with better reach could post it

[onyx eagle]

This is so frustrated

[tired forge]

Basically, this infuriated me enough to write my first post 🥲

https://x.com/FontanalsJ62231

JFon (@FontanalsJ62231) / X

X

[onyx eagle]

So, they even updated their page which means they don't have any plan to get back to the 0 credits

[tired forge]

Seems so, yes

Probably in a few weeks, they'll give us a few free video generations, like in the gemini app

5?10?

[sullen mountain]

it is not legal to change token price / usage during an active subscription ! We have to group complain !

[fair bane]

fortunately enough I archived the previous one on an independant service

[sullen mountain]

Me too

[tired forge]

It is even still up in some google support pages

https://support.google.com/googleone/answer/16287445?hl=en

[hybrid pawn]

I complained on x too. But I dont have a huge following either. I'm hoping some youtubers will start talking about it.

[tired forge]

I'll like and repost everything I see about it 😂

[tardy ridge]

Exactly my situation aside from recommending to one client I’ve started production on another project with a fixed budget under the assumption cost wasn’t going to change

[onyx eagle]

Unsubscribed. This is bs

[tired forge]

Dont just unsubscribe, ask for refund

[bleak walrus]

Failed generation, Ultra.

[exotic shell]

still no update about google violating their own TOS and if its going to be reverted? thats crazy

[sullen mountain]

we must take screencapture video of failed generation and price increase !

[storm haven]

Hey man, that is very nice, it's nice to see someone trying to help others.

[raw oak]

The bummer is when you keep paying for failed generations.

[stuck adder]

Hi who can I reach out to, to refresh my credits?? I paid 2 days ago and It did It not refresh

[lapis pine]

just a bunch of dipshits really treating customers like this

Ah yes

[sullen mountain]

Yeah if you watch his Discords badge on this channel, i have more message than an early supporter google staf ... His only message was to tell us "Youre just some folks who will pay, and are not smart enough to read a message" .... when we all understood same things !

[lapis pine]

Couldn't generate. Try again in a few minutes.

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-evil-boss-iloveit-snl-gif-15241712

[raw oak]

that's would help swallow the pill

[sullen mountain]

you can buy ultra account for 2usd / month but full paying customer get sh*tfaced with stopping free generation

[onyx eagle]

2usd?

but how?

[lapis pine]

mate the terms for the ultra subscription was that VEO 3.1 Fast was included and costs 0 credits. That is something you must legally honor, you can't just change it to 10 credits and think that's fine. Hope y'all got legal problems coming your way for f***ing over people like this.

But I guess big shiny Google think they are above the law

[onyx eagle]

Excatly. It's not legal.

[raw oak]

I'm not a communication expert but I would think this channel might need one from Google Flow.

[lapis pine]

that would cost them money and reduce profits

[raw oak]

ha!

They keep saying they can't wait to see what we create but they should also take a moment and listen too.

[lapis pine]

Well.... they must wait, since generations fail

[wide ether]

The main splash page still says UPDATE Veo 3.1 is here. Try now for free .... 🤦🏻

[proper drum]

In fact, it is the best way to make an impact. It is a drastic change, and they did not consider how it would affect their “Ultra” users, and in my case it affects the work projects that are currently in progress.

Instead, they could implement a priority system per plan and a time interval between requests.

[onyx eagle]

They will eventually lose all the Ultra subscribers if they don't come clean about this matter

[stuck adder]

I just tired nano banana pro

It’s crazyyyyyyy

[zealous tusk]

what is really crazy is the 10 credit for veo 3.1 fast ultra

[stuck adder]

Lol it could’ve been worst relax

[sullen mountain]

we paid ultra specifically for this free gen .... You cannot change price of a already paid subscription ... without warning ! Even theire price table are not updated !

[stuck adder]

Ok and guess what it was 20 before

They made it free and now to 10 big deal

Your loosing 40 per 4 outputs on fast that’s nothing compared to 80

[sullen mountain]

And you pay 30 buck insteand of 250 for us !

[gentle creek]

So what? we paid them for Veo 3.1 Fast unlimited.

[stuck adder]

Something tells me you would’ve paid for ultra regardless lol

[sullen mountain]

nope, already checked unsubscribe !

[wicked glen]

Agreed .. that was the main selling point .. otherwise there are tools out there that offer better rates and comparable quality for most ..

They need more GPUs!

[stuck adder]

Like what? And who?

Kling? Runway? With their janky explore mode?

Please….cant be meaning sora either

Google is top of the line my guy

[sullen mountain]

you cannot change a contract conditions after payment ù

[wicked glen]

They need to bring back unlimited generations asap .. The reason they had to do this though is because of the upcoming one billion summit for which they extended the deadline and then people started racking up generations in order to submit in time .. so hopefully, this will back to normal in max a couple of weeks, or maybe earlier if they start loosing customers ..

[stuck adder]

Yeah that I disagree with

Not during but after it ends they should’ve… I give them wrong for that

[wicked glen]

I do agree .. personally, we do a lot of professional client work, and VEO is definitely the most used model, but theres stiff competition now, from the likes of LTX and kling (esp with frame control in turbo), many may opt out because of this as for many client work may not be what they're doing .. with client work, we need control, and VEO offers the most control IMO

[stuck adder]

I haven’t seen anything solid out of ltx yet and it’s lonely available in the US. So that ain’t on anyone’s radar

And kling I would say is right under Google close

Question what do you use Veo for when it comes to clients? Do you use it in a hybrid way? Or just str8 out of the output

[gentle creek]

ltx is open source. You just need heavy PC to run it for free.

[raw oak]

My experience is that you need a few models. It all depends on what you are trying to do. I do like VEO - one of my favourites!!

[wide ether]

Yeah, I had thought it would be nice to just set something up locally, but I'm guessing it comes nowhere near as good in outputs as Veo

I've got an m4 pro mac that I bet could run something

[lapis pine]

what were you able to do with it

[stuck adder]

Really??? I did not know that

[onyx eagle]

Where can I try nano banana pro from?

[stuck adder]

Vertex ai

I was able to do an out put of 4k 15MB

[gentle creek]

You search on google

[stuck adder]

Have you tried nano banana in flow? Maybe it redirects to pro

[lapis pine]

I mean what were you able to do with your images? What changes could you do that was not possible before?

[stuck adder]

Well, it has a much stronger prompt adherence you’ll likely not have to use a lot of generations to get what you want

[raw oak]

Be careful with vertex. I tested it in part of a google marketing campaign. When you use it you don^t know how many credits you use up. I was billed over 1,400 dollars!!!!

[stuck adder]

And the image quality is insane

[lapis pine]

was it easier to change like camera perspectives, angles, add objects to images etc.?

[stuck adder]

Wow alright thanks

[opaque sand]

So, here's today's result. A 30-second video with 12 scenes cost me about 1,000 credits with these 10 credit generations, and I spent twice as much working time on it because of the huge drop in generation quality. Especially the scenes with voiceovers—they're just awful. I had to transfer some of the phrases to 11labs. And I'm not happy with the result. Yes, I'm unhappy. The client is happy. But I'm unhappy.

Now, a question for everyone.
How much should we raise our prices for work?
Or how much should we raise our hourly rates?
25,000 credits per month is just nothing. Either that, or we have to roll back the quality of our work a couple of years...

P.S.: This is crazy. My characters ONLY sang in their dialogues today. A damn musical instead of the usual video.

[stuck adder]

Yes all around

[uncut socket]

Ok

[lapis pine]

awesome, thanks

[lapis pine]

Google should give us 500,000 credits because 25,000 is pathethically low

[stuck adder]

Btw it’s on Higgs’s field now

[raw oak]

yeah higgs

[stuck adder]

It’s getting flooded with requests

FLOODED

[raw oak]

this is vertex

it fails on higgs too

[stuck adder]

Haha people are flooding it

Mine failed too

[lapis pine]

yeah whatever im doing on flow just keeps failing

great productive day today lads, im gonna go watch paint dry now

[digital pagoda]

Project Hail Mary | Official Trailer 2 (AI Version) - Ryan Gosling | Sci-Fi Movie 2026
https://youtu.be/UMWqUC_nuFA

[gentle creek]

Which country are from? because mine is working absolutely fine.

[lapis pine]

Sweden

[gentle creek]

Fun Fact a few days ago CloudFlare servers Crashed. It affected chatgpt and every website that was using CloudFlare. 😂

[gentle creek]

Second Reason We love VEO. First One was VEO 3 Fast being Unlimited.

[wicked glen]

I run a marketing first studio .. We create ads and content segments for clients, home and abroad .. diverse set of industries: Designers, builders, architects, skincare, medical services etc ...

For us, the best use case for VEO is frame to frame .. and frames, we generate from Midjourney, mostly, but other tools are used a lot too esp for editing, nanobanana, flux, seedream .. A lot of photoshop too, when we require a lot of control and detailing .

[wicked glen]

Whats this ? Nanobanana 2 is already here?

[wicked glen]

We use a lot of Kling and hailuo as well sometimes .. Hailuo has some of the best prompt adherence.

Midjourney video we use when the work requires 'low motion', usually in property showcase videos for high end realtors and developers

[vagrant laurel]

ingredients to video not working for me

i have being trying all yesterday and today

[zealous tusk]

sad day for ai video generation....

[hidden latch]

because of the cost now for fast veo3?

[zealous tusk]

yes

[hidden latch]

i agree

[raw oak]

I like seedream and wan to. And believe it or not Sora 1

[wicked glen]

We use Sora in scenes where character or product consistency or showcase is not important, and for dynamic, high motion scenes .. created 80% of an crazy ad campaign we're working on, for medical services company that works with healthcare clinics in the US using just SORA 2

[deft burrow]

Hi, does anyone have feedback/advice regarding text in vidoes generated by flow? I can't seem to get the text correct.

[ripe yacht]

Hi there! You can check out #flow-tips-n-tricks・✏️ or #1319424187730755636 for advice/bugs.

[fair gull]

My advice is don't try to put text in videos. It doesn't have enough text training. Add text in an editor.

[wicked glen]

Just saw the announcement .. nanobanana pro is here! Crazy! ... Are wee getting 4 generations? Higher fidelity? Is it free for ultra users? Any specific use cases you guys have noticed!

[zealous tusk]

the craziest thing today is the 10 credits for google ultra veo 3.1 fast generations

[fair gull]

It's in Gemini now. As far as I can tell it's free.

[zealous tusk]

i dont really care about nano bananas when veo 3.1 fast has changed its 0 credit policy for ultra users

[wicked glen]

nanobanana pro is free for a week on freepik

[wicked glen]

It should be there in flow as well ... its not there

[fair gull]

Nanobanana didn't get put into Flow for a month after it came out. I'm not surprised.

[hybrid pawn]

I made 2 image generations with nano banana before it told me I've reached my limit. So much for the expensive ultra plan

[zealous tusk]

Any news about the ultra 10 credit generation cost for veo 3.1 fast ultra users?

[hidden latch]

Im going to downgrade from Ultra to a different plan.. I see "ALL" the plans below Ultra is 1,000 credits, ranging from Google AI Pro (19.99/month) toGoogle Premium (149.99/month) same amount of credits! so I guess i pick the 19.99 a month.... Im seeing this correctly?

[sullen mountain]

Nope ! Just pay and say nothing

[hybrid pawn]

Good spotting!

[wicked glen]

Thats still very very few credits compared to Ultra ..

[hidden latch]

Yes but maybe you can purchase credits and not be stuck paying 250 per month

[zealous tusk]

250 bucks is too much to get scammed

I´m sure the chinese apps will take advantage of this dissapointment

[hidden latch]

Im sure of that soon enough

[quick rapids]

anyone this attached to t2v needs to invest a couple months worth of ultra into local gpu hardware so they can run wan2.2 and actually get unlimited usage

[hidden latch]

Anyone know what happens to my credits when I downgrade? to they transfer with me or dissapear into the void?

[zealous tusk]

comfyui sucks

[warm orbit]

is nano banana pro available in flow already?

[summer rapids]

I create video about babies adventures, so I have sometimes 3 or more characters in the same scene, 2 babies with a text on their clothes (their name and my site as a cleaner watermark), with the 2 babies talking to each other. It's really hard to make the babies talks, so imagine the number of generation I must do to get all the planet align and have :

• the scene following the prompt
• the right looking babies
• the right clothes
• the right text on the clothes
• the right baby talking (more of the time, none talks)
• the right voice
• the action following the prompt
• All the restriction with children
• ...

Being limited is a pain. But It will help explore differents options, other tools for lipsync, faceswap, voiceover. Too bad I can't recreate the "Veo" default look with nano banana and limitation with children, it would help a lot with creating the scene, getting consistency, and using a lot lot less veo generation

[zealous tusk]

any unlimited options in other video generators ?

[proper drum]

I’m glad Nano Banana Pro is available, although it’s unfortunate they didn’t consider how your decision about VEO 3.1 Fast would affect their Ultra users, the highest tier subscribers.

[wide ether]

PSA (Maybe I shouldn't mention it as I'm sure it's a bug they've created since hastily starting to charge for fast gens) - when in scene builder, doing extend generations using fast generation is still 0 credits for ultra .... I was tempted to keep that to myself, but I'll be nice and mention it .... i'm sure they'll fix that glitch soon enough

[bright schooner]

i have ultra but i cant use veo 3.1 or nano banana pro in flow, it keeps canceling the geneeration, anyone have same issues?

[proper drum]

Does anyone know of another AI service that offers unlimited generations? I currently have a budget of 250 dollars.

[random yoke]

Lmao not Google as they like to change their prices and policies unannounced

[thick oriole]

We're aiming to get Nano Banana Pro ramped up in Flow right now, we were hoping to have it right when the announcements went out earlier today, but -- again, capacity issues are at play. Hopefully soon, and in the meantime, Gemini App can give you a quick way to play with that.

Then, sorry for the frustration with our recent change in credits, I wanted to try and explain things a little more from our end, here's what I put together:

Background:
We introduced 0 credits for fast models for Ultra in August, saying "Starting now and rolling out over the next few days, we’re testing Veo 3 - Fast costing 0 credits for Ultra subscribers." We've attempted to continue expanding access, doubling the number of credits Ultra users get from 12.5k to 25k and lowering model credit costs. Since then, we've added this 0-credit cost to our Help Center and related documentation, and attempted to keep offering this, as a useful addition to our product.

Reality:
As many of you have seen (and been unhappy about), in the months since then, we've had to introduce various other product controls, such as rate-limiting generations per minute to support this. In the last day or two, we're unable to serve a lot of requests because of capacity limitations and high demand and it's unclear when that'll be resolved, and we can't have confidence it won't recur

Today & future:
So, we're now charging 10 credits for these models, which we believe is still a low rate, though obviously is less attractive than 0 credits. We aim to offer some level of 0-credit models for our top-tier subscribers again in the future, but we can't commit to that as a definite plan right now as we continue to keep an eye on capacity/demand. Obviously we would have preferred to communicate this with plenty of notice, and we apologize for that, but given a significant failure rate for generations today, we decided to make this change quickly, in the hope of being able to reduce the error rate across the site and to be able to improve or remove our rate-limiting in general.

I don't expect that will make you all feel wonderful and happy, but as usual, just wanted to give the most transparency I could.

[random yoke]

I literally have to choke the model into submission to get a good video out of it. This is completely bogus 😂. Membership canceled 😘. Gonna go give my money to openai

Also blaming this on capacity / demand is kinda insane, where are the stats showing the usage is super elevated? Sounds to me like you guys bit off more than you could chew and now you’re going back on your word

[zealous tusk]

I appreciate the transparency, but I need to be very clear about the impact on my end as a professional user.

This wasn’t just a feature change; it was effectively a price change to an ongoing contract. Many of us planned client work, budgets, and delivery schedules based on the explicit promise that Veo 3 Fast would cost 0 credits for Ultra. That promise was part of the product at the time we subscribed — and we already committed to deliverables under those conditions.

Changing the cost from 0 to 10 credits overnight, without prior notice, leaves independent creators exposed. We cannot suddenly increase the price to our clients after agreements are already signed.

I fully understand capacity issues and evolving products, but unilateral changes to contractual terms should always be communicated ahead of time, allowing users to adjust. It's not just about credits — it’s about reliability and trust.

Could you please clarify whether Google will:

Offer temporary compensation for work already committed under the 0-credit policy, or

Provide a timeline or alternative solution for users who built workflows around the announced Ultra benefits?

We simply need stability and predictability to continue using the platform professionally.

Thank you for listening.

[opaque sand]

“Must” means “will do” or “would like the white master to deign to show mercy.”???

[hybrid pawn]

Thanks that makes it clear for me. I'll unsub from ultra unless a refund is offered or you improve the debacle. I'm not spending huge fees on poor service

[opaque sand]

You're rich, spending that kind of money on a reply on a forum.😄

[proper drum]

Thanks. It takes multiple tries and prompt tweaking to get the result you want. This is affecting my current jobs that i got since I had a set budget and now I’ll end up with extra costs that my client won’t like.

Bad movement and decision by the team. I will see other AI service only come to Google for Flow and paying the highest subscription for no watermarks and unlimited generations

Btw: been ultra give watermarks on Gemini also🤣

[wide ether]

If you're going to continue to charge for generations, then you shouldn't charge $250 a month for ultra .... that's a car payment!!!

[wide ether]

Also if it truly is a set of bad actors hitting up the platform, it's easy enough for the service to have the ability to disable/block them vs. adding changes back for every other paying customer

[thick oriole]

For anything around 'refunds' or 'temporary compensation', no, I can't promise or offer anything here, sorry, but Google One Support or Workspace Support (depending how you subscribe) is the appropriate place to send those requests, and they can determine that.

[golden shadow]

Thanks for explaining the situation and the context.

[thick oriole]

That's no longer the dominant issue, the issue now is real user demand. We made significant improvements there and 'bad actors' (abusive traffic) are only a tiny fraction of the demand now.

[wide ether]

So you did have a massive sudden increase in real paying accounts

[proper drum]

What exactly you have implemented?

[thick oriole]

We don't generally share our product stats so I can't 'prove' that demand is much higher, sorry. But, as a thought exercise, consider that we as the Flow team aren't exactly thrilled to be making our users so upset. So, we wouldn't be doing this unless we had a pressing reason.

[wide ether]

if that's the case then per accout rate limits could be dialed accordingly .... any of that could easily be done in the software logic

[thick oriole]

We can now better detect users who sign up with fraudulent payment mechanisms with no intent to actually pay, to prevent those users using the service. We can now detect users who are clearly generating via abusing our APIs via using our site naturally. That catches the vast majority of 'abusive' traffic. Over time, someone will find some cleverer way to do abuse and we'll find a guard against that (the usual abuse/spam arms race). But, as one of the main people working on abuse for the last couple of months, I'm confident it's not the main issue today.

[random yoke]

Right I just really am disappointed with this , as @zealous tusk said , this is an abrubt change that affects many of our workflows , we have clients , we have deadlines , we had promises made and lined up , some of which will now be broken , Clients will be lost , money will be lost , reputation will be lost . It is simply an unacceptable way to treat your customers who pay 3k a year

[unreal viper]

please can all be reminded of our first rule: Be compassionate and treat others with kindness and respect. we have #1319424187730755636 for feedback specific questions/ queries

[golden shadow]

New product releases almost always result in demand exceeding capacity. We've just had Gemini 3 launch and today it's Nano Banana Pro; they'll have done a best guess at how much resource they need to make available, but if they guessed wrong or simply don't have the available compute to scale up further, they'll have to throttle services.

[thick oriole]

A credit system is one approach to "per account rate limits". You're right that time-based rate limits could instead try and achieve that goal, but realistically we'd still be unable to serve demand in that case, so you'd see time-based rate limiting per account, and then still see throttling errors.

[zealous tusk]

Thanks for the replies. At this point, what I really need is clarity, not general explanations.
I understand the background, I understand the capacity issues, and I’ve read everything shared here. What I still don’t have is a direct, actionable answer to the only question that affects my work right now:

Should professional users plan for 10 credits per Fast generation as a permanent change?

This determines immediate decisions on budgets, workflows, deliveries, and client commitments.
If the change is permanent, we need to adjust and possibly move work elsewhere.
If it’s temporary, we can adapt and wait.

I’m not asking for compensation or guarantees. I’m simply asking for a clear yes/no so I can plan responsibly.

[wide ether]

well anyway, I guess the bug I mentioned above is going to get fixed ... wish I didn't post it and kept it to myself 😂

[thick oriole]

"Should professional users plan for 10 credits per Fast generation as a permanent change?" <-- my answer (and Google's answer) is that "we intend to provide some level of 0-credit generations for top-tier paid users in the future, but we can't commit to specifics there"

So, my personal advice would be that, if a company isn't explicitly committing to something, the conservative approach for your finance planning is not to rely on it. I'm not trying to undercut the above message, I'm just trying to give the most useful answer from one person to another, as you're asking.

[thick oriole]

Out of love for you all I've accidentally forgotten to look at that bug. But I can't make any promises of course.

[zealous tusk]

that bug didnt work for me

[proper drum]

Who put the cost of credits Google One or the Flow team? @thick oriole

[thick oriole]

fwiw I'm not aware there's any 'secret 0 credit model we forgot to update', I just mean I haven't looked at all

[zealous tusk]

Thanks, Ian. I appreciate the honesty.

From a professional standpoint though, this puts us in a very difficult place.
If the conservative approach is to assume the 10-credit cost is the new normal, then I need to rethink whether the current Ultra plan still fits the needs of my workflow.

I really hope Google brings back some predictable 0-credit options for heavy professional use, because that stability is what allowed many of us to rely on the platform in the first place.

Thanks again for the clarification — it helps me understand how to plan from here, even if it's not the outcome I hoped for.

[wide ether]

cool ... remain unaware 🙂

[bright schooner]

so are you planning to make 3.1 veo 0 credit again after releasing veo 4?

[thick oriole]

Ultimately it's the Flow team's decision, I'd say (and I'm the eng lead for the Flow team). But in general we try and coordinate well with Google One (and Workspace) on anything that affects their customers, and there's other Google teams involved too, e.g. we want to have thoughtful pricing & offerings across products.

[thick oriole]

Nothing we can commit to there, no

[opaque sand]

The figure of 500,000 credits for the ultra plan has already been mentioned here. I think that would suit many people. And it would cut off thoughtless creators of endless visual garbage for the sake of views...

[bright schooner]

im sad that veo always stubbornly change any camera to their version of what a camera looks like, even without saying anything about camera in the prompt

[zealous tusk]

I’ll adapt my workflow for now, but I really hope the long-term direction keeps professional users in mind. Tools like these become part of our production pipeline , many of us chose Ultra specifically because it offered predictable, stable costs for professional work.
If that predictability is gone, it fundamentally changes the value of the subscription for creators who rely on this daily, sudden changes have real consequences in the real world. I hope this feedback is taken seriously internally, because a lot of workflows , not just mine, will have to be reconsidered if uncertainty becomes the norm.

I understand you can’t promise specifics, but the need for stable, communicated pricing is something that really needs attention at the product level.

[thick oriole]

Yeah this is an annoying model limitation (I think it's common across other models too, though I'm no expert). Probably certain brands or views over-represented in training. In my experience prompting or image inputs can help, but it's still generally hard to e.g. get an Android phone vs an iPhone, for example. I also get annoyed around hairstyles and other things in this same set of patterns.

[thick oriole]

Thanks. For what it's worth, although I can't just type any 'official future looking product plans' in Discord, for obvious reasons, I'd be extremely surprised if we end up going even worse than the 10 vs 0 credits we just changed for Fast/Ultra models. So, my personal advice (not company-wide promise) is that it's reasonable to plan for that: if you have 25k credits, 10 credits per generation, etc.

[proper drum]

I understand, now I’m asking you whether it makes any difference to set the generation cost to 1 credit instead of 10 credits.

In the end, you will still be monitoring how traffic behaves and this affects legitimate users very little.

In my case, I am being affected because I have work where I must meet standards, and for that reason I’m working with characters. I can guarantee you that the way things are right now could impact my current job.

I don’t want to lose the opportunity to work with this client, and I had to make a budget based on generating with Veo 3.1 fast and the other features using credits. If I mention this to my client, they could very possibly cancel the job, and I have already invested in your platform.

[crisp basalt]

i assumed you guys already got the memo on the whole "exploitation" thing? im about to send the full details report on it but just wanna make sure if you guys are aware of it

[thick oriole]

Yes, understood, 1 credit vs 10 would be better. Or anything <10 would be better. Nothing to promise but you're correct in your assumption it would help, and we'll be trying to balance things over time.

Just FYI I'm going to head off Discord in ~10mins because I have many, many things to get done around actually trying to make the site stable (and get GemPix 2 for you all). But I'll try and keep replying for a bit longer.

[crisp basalt]

YESS GEMPIX2 NANO BANANA PRO

[thick oriole]

oh I'm bad at using the public names lol

[crisp basalt]

pls pls i wanna play with it

LMAOOO

them internal staff really jumped out

[thick oriole]

there's a million names for any model, I can never keep track even internally

[crisp basalt]

i mean, its tamer compares to flow video model, yall are crazy in good way i guess with naming those video model key

[summer rapids]

Maybe with adding a limitation on credit, you could be less permissive on some other aspect (so it's a win win situation). As mentioned here, Veo let me create fun babies videos, but won't let me use generated images from those Veo video as ingredient or as source image in nanobanana inside flow. So it's a lot of trial and errors when it could be less a pain if I could use Veo screen as references. I could generate maybe 25x less generation to have a good one and way more consistency and quality

I understand the children restriction, but not when it comes from Veo previous genereation

[thick oriole]

ah, I can explain this at least: we can be more generous with our policies when we know for sure we're dealing with a generated image. The only truly reliable way to do that today if you remain in the exact same product, e.g. you click 'Generate Image' in Flow and then 'Add to prompt' to use that image in a Flow video generation. The moment you download/upload we must assume it's a user-provided image and our safety policies need to be stricter.

[crisp basalt]

also Ian thanks for taking your time to reply to everyone here, godspeed and goodluck with resolving this major issues

also middle fingers to exploiters ❤️ for ruining users experience

[gentle harbor]

anyone facing issues on flow?
I've spent a lot of credits with an error message in the screen "Notify app" and lost my credits

Thanks Flow

[summer rapids]

So there is a bug. I can "add to prompt" to generate a new video, but can't use it in the "Image" section nor as ingredient

[thick oriole]

agreed, but per above, that's not the issue we're seeing now -- now we're dealing with real user demand. I'm sure there's still some low level of abuse we didn't catch yet, but it's not the big problem any more (it was a month or so ago)

[crisp basalt]

ok thats a big relief to hear that phew

[thick oriole]

perhaps try a new post in #1319424187730755636 , I'm not entirely sure what error you're seeing. But in general, Flow is returning a lot of errors right now due to capacity issues.

[crisp basalt]

i already flag that one in bug thread btw

and i mentioned u too but im not sure if u even notice lol

[thick oriole]

lol I try and look at mentions but, my time on Discord is a bit unpredictable and limited, which thread?

[summer rapids]

that was an other error (an UX one)

[leaden harness]

when is this prblems gonna fix

[thick oriole]

Either way, if there's a specific bug, try #1319424187730755636 , either someone from the team will see it directly, or it'll get passed along to us another way

This channel...ideally the same happens, but it's a bit noisier and less reliable for reporting bugs

[gentle harbor]

Noice update and potato servers
Resolution: Start to burn credits from ULTRA members and that's it.

[crisp basalt]

oh it was this one but i think someon else in your team got it

@plain oasis big w to you 💯

[proper drum]

Please take it into account and present it to the rest of the teams. I am here because of the plan I purchased focused on Veo and to provide feedback as I have done with @wheat flicker

thanks, btw @thick oriole

[thick oriole]

We've made many other changes too, but this is the most visible. For example, 'free' users (who get 100-180 credits as a trial) are always affected before paid users, when we're at high capacity. We've also changed default generations from 4 to 2, though you can just change that again in settings. There's a much longer list. So, yes the Ultra credit change is the most visible and disappointing but I promise it's not where we started.

[thick oriole]

yes, Ryan's on the team and is great, if he's on it, it'll get fixed 🙂

and, as promised, I'm going to have to disappear now. Thank you all for the productive & respectful conversation, this server is one of the nicer places on the internet, even if the topic is how much many of you are disappointed in me/Flow/etc today. Keep making wonderful things.

[crisp basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-child-tumblr-gif-26707599

hype

[crisp basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-oh-my-god-wow-oh-my-god-wow-meme-meme-face-ooh-gif-8518223358464770979

i agree with you @ this is one of the nicer places on the internet

[vale zephyr]

Gemini announced, that you can ask "is this image ai" and then

Gemini then scans the image for the imperceptible SynthID watermarks that are embedded into all Google AI-generated images - including those by Nano Banana Pro!
Why cant this be done with user uploaded content?

[rough halo]

I am only able to generate 1 video at a time using 3.1 fast as an ultra sub

is this whats happening with everyone?

quality instantly gets shut down

I'm aware of the issue with heavy traffic. just wondering if what im encountering is related. Its not a content policy shutting my prompts. they just instantly fail the moment i enter them

unless its 3.1 fast with 1 video only

[turbid lintel]

Banana pro now on flow?

[stray bear]

through flow. Can still produce 4 each time

[leaden harness]

why they not giving a solution for this problem quickly

[tropic seal]

I was just hit with the 10credits per creation for veo3.1 fast. I am an ultra user. Is this going to be permanent?

[native barn]

not worth to continue my subscription, i enjoy the ultra subs because of 0 credit for fast.

[thick oriole]

In the context of safety filters, I think SynthID verification isn't sufficient. I'm not fully qualified there and even if I was I probably wouldn't go into full details here sorry, I think it might be sensitive. But, good idea, and I'd hope we get something in that spirit in the future. Plus we can improve in-product and cross-product flows. Plenty to do, just trying to give the current state.

[thick oriole]

Coming right now (unless it's broken once it launches, which I sincerely hope isn't true). Give it 30mins or so.

[rough halo]

yeah im using flow

[thick oriole]

there's a bunch of extra context from the last hour or so in this channel if you can read up (sorry, I'm just here for two mins so can't do much more than point you there)

[leaden harness]

@thick oriole when is going to fixed this google flow problems sometimes i can't make videos with inputting ingrediants

[thick oriole]

If you're seeing a specific bug that's not just our general throttling/capacity issues, please make a thread in #1319424187730755636 -- that has the best chance of making it to the team sooner so we can look at it.

[rough halo]

i just read the chat histroy. I understand why these decisions are being made and that the 0 credits wasn't a permanent thing. I dont want to sound salty and harsh like some others did, but i'd be lying if I said I'm not dissappointed with this. Something you know a lot, if not everyone is going to feel. Given how many failed generations I have to go through to get what I want out of it, the 10 credit model was something that stopped me from being an ultra subscriber, given how the whole thing felt like a slot machine, and it will be a strong factor moving forward if this persists.

[thick oriole]

and, with apologies, going off Discord again now to try and make sure the Nano Banana Pro rollout goes right

[native barn]

is fast with 10 credits permanent?

[rough halo]

I'm hoping for a middle ground. Some people here suggested some good ideas. I'd also be happy if certain days of the week were made 0 credit for ultra subs

[tropic seal]

hm. that was seriously a downer for me now. i agree with you @rough halo it take a lot of creations until you have a good shot. There is many many failed generations.

[rough halo]

Nothing is for sure, but they're not saying the reinstatement is temporary, and if they are, they aren't saying for how long.

[turbid lintel]

Thanks

[native barn]

what was the reason why ultra user using fast is not unlimited anymore?

[tropic seal]

or maybe make it 1 credit. i dunno. 2550 sounds a lot. But it makes me anxious looking at theat credit thing going down .... fast.

[rough halo]

gotta remember... its a part of google where there's really no ads 😛 which is how they make all their $$$ elsewhere

hell.. give us ads and 0 credit for fast

i wont mind

[tropic seal]

yeah, because its us creating the ads now ... %)

[stuck adder]

Ohhhhh a lot has happened wow lol

[rough halo]

dont fall into the doom spiral just yet. there's hope

[stuck adder]

I understand where the flow team is coming from usually, it’s a bad look to change contract mid subscription but I’ll stick beside them for a bit longer

[rough halo]

yeah. while the sub might be pocket change to some here.. its a lot for me. 0 credit was what sold me

and it may be a sad outcome for me. i truly love using flow

[stuck adder]

Yeah I love how they implemented nano into flow

It’s soooooo amazing

[rough halo]

gonna have to cope with slop 2

sora 2 *

[tardy ridge]

The fair approach would be to grandfather in existing ultra subscribers to 0, other options double the credit allocation or 10 credits for 4 gens

[tropic seal]

1 credit per gen and double the credits per month.

[rough halo]

the best case in the event that they do decide to reverse it, is a middle ground. happy hour-like arrangements? certain days in a week? or certain hours in a day?

i hope they dont just cut us off like that. it'll be harsh.

[tardy ridge]

3k is a lot and like others have said the predictability and value is why I chose ultra for my professional workflow , there are other options and other platforms that offer unlimited gens for a very similar price point

[stuck adder]

That’s not really doable for people with dynamic deadlines

[rough halo]

the quality is unmatched though. for now

[stuck adder]

A client might not sent them certain artwork in time and when the zero credit thing event over then it’s lost

[tardy ridge]

Or increase the compute to each gen and improve the quality so we don’t need to run so many variants

[stuck adder]

But nano banana pro is something else brother

[tardy ridge]

I don’t know it’s nice but I’m getting better visual quality elsewhere

[rough halo]

very very true.. im saying that IF they turn their backs on us... thats one way to smoothen the blow

[rough halo]

where? genuinely would like to know

[tardy ridge]

DM me if you like

[rough halo]

done

[tardy ridge]

For now I’m sticking to Ultra yes it will increase my production costs have to eat it but not sure about long terms

[rough halo]

ill wait but ill seriously consider canceling my auto renew for next month until there's some silver lining

[stuck adder]

If you don’t mind me asking, with using ai do you charge client less or it’s usually more?

Or you just to charge them a standard price and include fees for potential ai credits

[rough halo]

tangeant: gemini 3 is weirdly interpreting my arabic prompts as aggression. not sure what thats about. but thought its interesting

apparently theres a way to request calligraphy with such an aggressive tone that it would throw a wrench into this new model

[stray bear]

Honestly, the new pricing makes sense. The 10 credit quick videos are still totally fine I even think the results look better than the 100 credit high quality ones. It was clear they would make a change like this sooner or later.

The only downside is that the credits don’t roll over. Everything resets each month, so there’s no way to save or stack credits and that’s a bit disappointing.

[rough halo]

We all know Quality is not of quality

lol

[stray bear]

I believe they know to 😬

[fair gull]

`

[rough halo]

i personally only switch to quality at the end of the month to dump my creds before roll over to feel like im not wasting

[wicked glen]

I think the 10 credits rule came about because the deadline for the one billion summit got extended and now everyone is racking up generations trying to make the deadline for their submissions .. Im expecting this will be addressed in a couple of weeks or so

[stray bear]

Makes sense

[rough halo]

would you accept having ads in flow in exchange for 0 credit usage?

[lusty oracle]

I just want to say that I appreciate you team folks taking the time to come here and communicate directly with us

[rough halo]

way better than all the other competitors.. who will only probably send their own LLM

to communicate slop

[dire socket]

I tend to switch whenever the physics/motion/whatever is off

High Quality does do better at that stuff typically.

But really? at 10 credits a pop, I'll still be happy to BURN through stuff

[rough halo]

could be more beneficial to the style you generate over others. my content commonly involves human subjects and dialogue... which Fast is vastly better at doing than quality

[dire socket]

agreed. I do a lot of that, and fast is typically the go to. Though it seems dialog has been f*cky lately a bit more than usual.

Racecars, etc, quality seems to win

[tardy ridge]

yes I charge a flat fee with includes tooling otherwise they pay for the platform and I work in theirs

[rough halo]

oh it screwes up either way. its just Fast is more obedient. especially when you start yelling at it with caps lock

[tardy ridge]

at least they ought to allow the billing cycle to elapse and then swap over

because this switch right in the middle is pretty garbage

[rough halo]

love me some of those videos where the patient is talking in the dialogue of the doctor and the doctor is speaking like theyre the patient

🙂

[stuck adder]

I’m still waiting for me 25000 to refresh I paid 2 days ago lol

[turbid lintel]

What the reason behind 10 credit charge?

[stuck adder]

I wonder when they add it through the flow, if we can choose between 1-4k

[rough halo]

MONIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND

[dire socket]

Thank you... And honestly? Quality is king.

[warm orbit]

@thick oriole aight u told us about the credits, but what about the poor quality of the videos now?😅 flow can’t even generate proper sounds anymore, yet we gotta pay 10 credits per video that will just go to trash

[dire socket]

sound is the problem right now for me as well.

[stuck adder]

Honestly it has a serious issue with particles everything looks too big and clunky

And this slow motion needs to fix tbh

[rough halo]

10 credit is not a true representation of the issue. the issue is how much credit will you need till you have a semblance of your artistic vision realized... and thats in the 100s-1000s on a 10 credit model given how whacky it can be even with spending so much time engineering your prompt.

[stuck adder]

And we need to be able to choose other seconds other than 8

[dire socket]

Ian explained above. Massive demand. It's to discourage folks from just slamming out tons of videos all day

[stuck adder]

I believe I know what’s happening too

[dire socket]

true, but, even at $2-3 in credits, that's still 'kinda cheap' when it comes to video production costs

[stuck adder]

There’s a lot of ai websites that are buying ultra and users pay to use it too I think

I might be wrong

[turbid lintel]

But only ultra subs can spam , and ultra is expensive

[rough halo]

if we're gonna compare to external ways of media production then its fair to also include other AI competitors who have better pricing models. not sure if there are any out there yet, but we cant compare vanilla production costs to AI because vanilla stuff will never win

only compare AI to AI when it comes to cost effectiveness

no human will accept to be paid AI rates.

[stuck adder]

Actually you can only generate 3 sets of 4s at a time

[warm orbit]

Yeah but the visuals are pretty bad too, like flow doesn’t follow the prompt at all

[rough halo]

maybe on fiver. but thats besides the point

[kind bison]

Yeah, sound has been terrible for at least a week for me.

[warm orbit]

I decided to try their flow tv prompts just to see if they work as they are supposed to, but no, pretty bad

[thick oriole]

Yeah, sound is one of our top priorities now (other than, you know, all the capacity issues)

[rough halo]

yeah no sound at all here either. i logged off and im gonna just wait till tomorrow

since things are just not stable right now

[turbid lintel]

0 credit will make a comback?

[proper drum]

With real 4K images? Gemini is not giving me 4K or keeping the quality of my photo

[thick oriole]

Someone just made this thread on sound, if you're seeing the same thing, please add any more info or +1s there: https://discord.com/channels/1172568727942860810/1319424187730755636/threads/1441127286584639621

If you're seeing other issues (e.g. no audio at all), any more info on that in a new thread in #1319424187730755636 would be good.

We think we know what we want to work on, but always good to have more inputs.

[warm orbit]

But it’s not just sounds! What about the videos itself that turn out much worse than they used to

[rough halo]

@thick oriole Sound is just one part. There's a multitude of problems. But wouldn't it all be moot given the fact that it's been officially stated that things aren't stable?

[thick oriole]

Understood. Many priorities.

Sound in particular there's been an uptick in complaints in the last week so we're looking to ensure nothing has regressed. We're also looking to see if we should deal with failures differently (e.g. not charging credits and not returning the video, vs returning silent videos and charging credits)

For video quality, also an ongoing thing to work on, but less clear there's immediate short-term paths or recent differences.

[rough halo]

It would be an issue if things were. I just can't say something is an issue when I know there's work being done to fix pretty much everything in the backend

[turbid lintel]

@lan spill some upcoming feature

[fair gull]

Honestly, I wish Google would team up with Eleven Labs to fix the randomness of voice generation. It would be great to be able to lock in a character voice when doing multiple clips.

[turbid lintel]

What next on flow?

[thick oriole]

SNEAK UPCOMING FEATURE: Nano Banana Pro launching ~now (maybe 20mins before it's fully out).

[rough halo]

Sora creates my voice so well it made me hate it

[turbid lintel]

How about veo 3.2?

[rough halo]

veo 4

[thick oriole]

shoot for the stars, why not Veo 10

[stuck adder]

With us being able to choose resolution? Or it defaults to 2k?

[rough halo]

what would that be? holograms?

[thick oriole]

But, no, nothing secret to announce sorry. We'll try and share ideas on Discord earlier when we can to inform product stuff. But I'm not going to make our marketing team sad and leak stuff here.

[rough halo]

veo 15 will be just skynet

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-978532213316794273

[turbid lintel]

Spill the next update date

Just the date

[thick oriole]

August 29, 1997 (iykyk)

[rough halo]

could the image generator not erase my prompts once i enter them? ive lost prompts that ive spent a good time making because i forgot to copy them before hitting enter. that never feels good. why cant it be like whisk where you can just see your prompt attached to the image you created? @thick oriole

[iron quest]

Would much rather not be charged and not have video generated

[turbid lintel]

Serious talk , veo need to fight sora2 in physic department..we are losing

[thick oriole]

here's the button you need but I hear you that you didn't find it naturally

[rough halo]

also i hope veo eventually makes good singing voices and music to match... the possibilities there are just

[rough halo]

this must be new or recent.

[tropic seal]

btw @ian any chance i can use nano banana pro in AIstudio with my ultra plan? I can use it in gemini but would prefer aistudio to be honest.

[thick oriole]

no idea sorry

[tropic seal]

k, thanks though.

[stray bear]

I just want to confirm something about the new Flow image generation system that uses the Nano and Nano Pro models.
When generating an image through this tool, is the output actually created in true 4K quality?

[thick oriole]

it's been there a while for video but image just came out, I forget if we had it on day 1 or not, anyway there it is

[rough halo]

this solves so many of my issues. no more tabbing to and from whisk

and i dont talk much on here. but i want to say that ingredients to video improved to such a high level... nothing but praise there

its become so reliable

[tropic seal]

yeah. that was the most impressive update for sure.

[rough halo]

its better than F2V (depending on your approach and what you're going for)

[tropic seal]

yeah for sure. way better than FFLF.

[proper drum]

F2V should improve. Sometimes it feels like don’t use as context the last frame for all the middle generation

Thats bad for example when the character is only on the last frame but not in the first

[civic kraken]

Nano Banana Pro is available in flow?

o continue with the last version?

[rough halo]

yeah i found myself always creating drafts to catch what my last frame would likely look like - save that frame - take it to whisk... add/remove from it - put it as my last frame and use that to make a "good" F2V

[thick oriole]

yes very soon (rolling out now)

[rough halo]

whereas ingredients gives you more freedom since you're not locked to the confines of the first frame.. and the fact that it replicates subjects so well now

no brainer

[civic kraken]

Ty

[proper drum]

F2V just need the capabilities of ingredients to video to be perfect with context, consistency

[rough halo]

yeah... you have to have part of the end product u want for F2V to play its strengths

but to start with it is limiting

at least for how i work

sometimes locking a frame can mean you will miss out on a better one that ingredients can give you

so i end up working for 7 hours instead of 2

[stuck adder]

Pro is on flow now!

[rough halo]

yay

[proper drum]

Yes, I even use the three ingredient slots as if they were frames.

[stuck adder]

But…broken

[tough yacht]

YEAH it is! It's still rolling out now, so not all Ultra users may see it (and you may see it on one page load and have it disappear on another - should be 100% rolled out any minute)

[stuck adder]

Nvm

[tough yacht]

Nano Banana Pro will start as only available for Ultra subscribers, no credit cost.

[rough halo]

rolled out > 2 minutes later > global blackout

[stuck adder]

Unfortunately it’s only 1k…..

Well back to Higgs field

[royal comet]

Is there going to be apps version or only web version for these tools?

Are they useful if they were apps?

[stuck adder]

Should at least be 2k at best

[lusty oracle]

Cant generate image though
Can generate image

[rough halo]

i studied the munsell color wheel and what hue/value/chroma meant - although my knowledge of it and what evolved about color theory through it is not that deep... it was truly useful in changing how i interpret colors and what they mean

[royal comet]

I think it is becuse English majors in college like to assign mening to them over time. Ha

[stuck adder]

Klee trying it’ll go through

[rough halo]

i also firmly believe that no 2 people see colors the same exact way, and there's no real way to prove/disprove it. ill describe red the same way you will, and so how will we ever know that my red is in reality way different than yours

and that this fact goes into what makes our personalities and the "environmental" aspect of how they develop

[royal comet]

Did you click the writing to red it? I get small revenue from it. I need to get more revenue if I subscribe for AI credits or other software apps. Things are so expensive :( I think companies pying for AI tools see huge returns now though so they do it.

[torn tulip]

@thick oriole So, what I was thinking might be great idea, I don't know if that was previously discussed here or not, but what if just provide partial credit refund (let's say 5 credits back) on those really bad generations (that are completely unusable), let's say user just deletes them and gets the half back for the credits spent, but if the user downloaded them and then deleted of course no refund. It's just becoming harmful to pay 500 credits for 12 seconds fragment.

[rough halo]

i dont understand

anyways. hopping on a meeting call. love you guys. later o/

[lusty oracle]

Working for me now

[rustic spoke]

Hello everyone, since around 2 days, i can barely use the veo3.1 fast 0 credits creation. Is it only me or its global issue? Im sorry im new to this forum, but i use flow's fast generation as my working projects(i have already spent my monthly credits), and now im forced to purchase aditional packadges. So just wondering is it only me or its global issue(costs 10 credits per generation for veo3.1 fast).

[iron quest]

There is no 0 credit creations anymore

[rustic spoke]

not even for ultra users?

[iron quest]

Ultra costs 10 credits, other plans cost 20

See in announcements

[rustic spoke]

since im using ultra plan(and for like past couple of months fast on ultra costed 0)

[iron quest]

They’ve changed it

[wheat forge]

I came here and joined this discord just now to ask about this.

I recently bought the most expensive ultra subscription because of hte free veo 3 fast. I was very happy with it when I bought it last week.

Now today it seems to consume credits suddenly? I paid for something different.

How temporary is this?

[rustic spoke]

The announcement i saw earlier, it said servers are experiancing high amount of requests so they are increasing the cost to 10, until the trafic normalizes. So i assume they will now keep this permanent(the 10 credits cost)?

[wheat forge]

Nano Banana Pro sounds nice and all, but I would rather have the old nano banana and enough capacity to fast gens

[rustic spoke]

Exactly the same issue here, since im creating YT videos with veo, i kind of needed the 0 creations, since im creating 10-20 scenes per video(multiply it to the entire video duration and you get the entire picture). Now with 10 credits cost, meaning the ultra plan simply gets off the point here(there are other video generation tools which are relatively cheaper).

[iron quest]

There’s a lot of annoyed people. They did mention they’ll bring back “some level” of 0 credits, but no one knows when or what that’ll look like. I imagine def won’t be the way it was before, maybe a cap per day or something

[raw oak]

The problem is that it takes many generations to land on something that isn’t hallucinating

[rustic spoke]

yeh, okay, i got this, but this completely interupts my workflow, considering this adjustment was made mid of the month, without preannouncement, which means if i want to continue my workflow, im now forced to purchase more credits on top of my 200$ sub per month.

[wheat forge]

If its just a temporary problem for a few days then I can live with this. Its not clear if this is a 'maybe one day' thing or if its just a temporary thing for 24 hours while they roll out nano banana?

[rustic spoke]

Its not temporal, check the announcement channel. The 10 credits cost for fast is permanent.

[wheat forge]

It says "We will restore some level of 0-credit fast gens for Ultra subscribers as soon as we can handle the load."

[raw oak]

I would keep options open. It’s a nice model but they certainly didn’t sugar coat it.

[iron quest]

Some level. Not how it was. And when is not known.

[thick oriole]

For those of you with Ultra, are you seeing Nano Banana Pro working for you? "Create Image" in Flow?

[wheat forge]

I am on ultra and I still see nano banana.

Really interested in hearing about timeline to get back to 0 credits fast users for Ultra subscribers though.

Thats more important to me than nano banana vs nano banana pro

[rustic spoke]

@ian yep, i do.

[thick oriole]

and it successfully generates an image?

[tardy ridge]

Honor the existing subscriptions at least until the next billing cycle or a 1 time dump of 25k credits

[thick oriole]

see above conversation from prior hours in this channel, afraid I don't have more time to add anything else now

[tardy ridge]

We won’t be distracted 🤣

[slender haven]

Is nano banana pro usable on Whisk?

[slender haven]

can't use on flow, but it's working via Gemini app

[thick oriole]

Thanks. Ok, I think the Flow rollout is broken. Sorry! Working on it now.

[rustic spoke]

could you specify what this rollout would be please? and aprox when to expect it?

[tough yacht]

This rollout is offering Nano Banana Pro to Ultra subscribers

Re: When, it has already started rolling out. Debugging now why it's not working for some people.

[opaque sand]

That's great. But in FLOW, it's been impossible to create images based on reference images for a day now.

[rustic spoke]

got it, thanks. Would you be able to specify about the ultra credits bum/rollout/whatsoever if that would happen? Sorry if being annoying, this is just interupting my working process. Appreciate it.

[hybrid pawn]

Nano banana gave me 2 image generations on Gemini before telling me i have no more gens left. Ultra sub

[tardy ridge]

See yall got distracted

[tough yacht]

All the info we have is above, shared by Ian. I don't have more than that to share yet, apologies.

[tardy ridge]

Seriously no other professional subscription service changes terms in the middle of a billing cycle and no, start ups are not pro, I expect this from then open or bird at least they have an excuse, not from Google tho

Imagine if yall stated charging a 10 percent additional surcharge on ppc bids?

[slender haven]

they already said it will be refunded, stop crying. You have 2500 gens. I bet you won't gen 2500 vids / month

[tardy ridge]

You’re wrong there

Did they call you in 🤣

And no it won’t be refunded sir

[rustic spoke]

generating 300 to 500 a day, so wouldnt bet

[zealous tusk]

Refunded?

[wet spoke]

Lol seriously now we need to upgrade for use nano banana pro

[thick oriole]

Yes, sorry for brevity, was fixing things. The rollout of Nano Banana Pro in Flow "Create Image" was broken when we pushed it out a moment ago. Aiming for a fix in 10-20mins, else we'll just revert back to the prior image generation model. You can use 'Nano Banana' from the UI for now to get unblocked.

[tardy ridge]

I’m not making slop I’m delivering work for paying clients so yes it takes a lot of iterations when you get feedback

[thick oriole]

Yes, it's Ultra-only for now (extra benefits for higher paid tiers as we've promised, and also realistic needs based on capacity to serve demand)

[crisp basalt]

yea obviously

wait what

omg yes

[rustic spoke]

Does it matter what the pourpouse is? Im also creating my ad creatives via flow. So no need to be cocky towards me, im suffering from the same issue you do here.

[wet spoke]

Ultra subscriber?

[vale zephyr]

will it be possible to choose resolution aswell to generate 4k images for better details as start frames?

[thick oriole]

We don't offer that now but, we hear you that it's useful, TBD if it makes it into the product (I hope so, I want it)

[rustic spoke]

Pro generations are not working atleast for me, normal nano banana does.

[vale zephyr]

would be a nice addition to the ultra plan maybe 🙂

[stuck adder]

Only 1k

And now Higgifeild now x4 the price lol

[vale zephyr]

I know that its currently 1k only. But the model offers up to 4k, that why the question

[stuck adder]

Was one credit now it’s 4

[tropic seal]

@ian there is an option in aistudio to turn the resolution to 4k. Thats why i was asking before. Btw, flow ultra / banana pro : cant create image.

[tardy ridge]

Oh no that was in response to someone else telling me to stop crying about it

[stuck adder]

I know

[crisp basalt]

oh i got "message": "Internal error encountered.",
when i tried to generate an image using nano banana pro

[tardy ridge]

Guys if you have ultra you can create an api key and run it in ai studio

That’s a work around for now

[crisp basalt]

ultra plan includes vertex api key?

[tardy ridge]

You need to connect your key in ai studio

[vale zephyr]

didnt work for me, since it says resources limited or something

[wet spoke]

Than what's the point using it in flow? We can simply generate it in gemini than as we don't need upgrade to ultra there and giving same results

[tardy ridge]

You get some credit

[crisp basalt]

well in gemini u get watermark so

[thick oriole]

Yep, understood on Ultra/Banana Pro -- that's what we're fixing right now. I hope ~15mins, tbd.

[stuck adder]

Well you get a water mark

[wet spoke]

Oh

[crisp basalt]

i mean yea same results but with side of watermark

[tardy ridge]

Look I like Google products they’re great just don’t like the behavior they switcharoo isn’t professional

[rustic spoke]

last time i tested, i had 36k credits a day, each generation taking 1k credits. So basicly 36 gens a day. can work around for the first 16 sec of a video:D

[tardy ridge]

Oh I meant for nano banana pro

I need to look at my api costs

[crisp basalt]

but ultra plan doesnt relate to vertex ai api in anyway

[wet spoke]

Hmm but ig for ingredient feature, watermark is not a problem

[tardy ridge]

It includes studio and you get a one time api credit

[crisp basalt]

really>

wait can i see

[stuck adder]

Yes $300

[crisp basalt]

oh isnt that the trial

[zealous tusk]

I heard refund somewhere?

[tardy ridge]

Yesh go check it, I vibe coded a really cool production tool using Gemini 3 also cost a few bucks amazing

[stuck adder]

I was able to use it thru vertex ai earlier

[wet spoke]

Yea cuz it's reference it's not starting or ending frame with same image

[crisp basalt]

oh i wasnt replying to u mr devil

[wet spoke]

Oh mb

[crisp basalt]

no worries

[crisp basalt]

wait so do ineed to create new api key for that

[glad condor]

I would like that

[stuck adder]

No

I didn’t

[crisp basalt]

? so just use the playground?

[rustic spoke]

Honestly for past few days i was thinking what would be best in terms of flow upgrade in future, and imo, the major competative challenge compared to sora atm is video duration. What would you guys consider as a major flow upgrade currently?(not sure if this is the right place for that kind of discussion)

[crisp basalt]

@stuck adder can i dm u

[zealous tusk]

0 credits in veo 3.1 fast in flow for ultra

[thick oriole]

This is a great place for that discussion. And, turning it back a bit, I'd love to here what you all would consider a major flow upgrade.

[vale zephyr]

For me would be ElevenLabs Integration

[thick oriole]

For me personally (not really speaking on behalf of the team as I didn't consult anyone), I think the new controls like 'add object' or 'camera adjustment' are in that category, it's a whole concept I didn't have before, vs me trying to get it with image editing pre-generation or prompt engineering

Then in terms of core model, I'd say consistency is the biggest one. Audio consistency, character consistency, named characters, etc

[lost sail]

Consistency in the voices would be the best update for me

[tropic seal]

yeah voice consitency would be ace

[thick oriole]

And, of course, anything around "not just 8 second outputs" would count for me too. Extend & Jump To etc help, but I really want the model itself (or the app itself) to do more

[glad condor]

Being able to set it so when you extend it remembers the voice from the first scene

[vale zephyr]

and to make it easy just take one of the best voice plattform and integrate it, so existing voices can be used 😄

[thick oriole]

Then anything around first-class music support. Though I'm not sure if that's in the spirit of the app, so maybe it's elsewhere. But I'd love to pair music generation, video generation, etc, vs just letting the model respond to my prompts as it sees fit

[crisp basalt]

@tardy ridge check dm pls

[thick oriole]

(and just to be super clear, this isn't me sharing product plans, just answering the question of what I'd find compelling, as someone who enjoys AI Video Gen most days...perhaps less enjoyable on days I'm fixing issues with it)

What else? Share ideas here. I absolutey promise I'll highlight this convo to our product and UX team

[stuck adder]

Ofc

[glad condor]

Being able to split a generation would be very handy, so I can remove the bad part then extend from there

[vale zephyr]

Higher resolution outputs or upscaler also for vertical videos would be great aswell

[tropic seal]

@ian but the most pressing thing would be less credits per fast creation for ultra subscibers. Think 1 credit per gen.

but yeah, more camera controls would be nice.

[glad condor]

At the moment I do it manually with extracting frames but it would make life easier if I could do it directly in flow

[rustic spoke]

A list of recommendations(i have used more than 5-6 different AI generation tools before google introduced the 0 credits for ulta on veo3 fast. So what would actually give an edge(im creating long form and short form videos for YT, ad creatives for customers and for my own projects)

1. Increase video duration
2. Add a custom VO styles(would be extremely useful for longer videos to have a preset of VO's which you can make consistant torughout the video).
3. Integrated editing tool(even simple one which would allow you to add specific elements, SFX music, you name it, without need of switching to other editing tools).
4. Im not sure if current tech level is enough, but currently when i am creating long form videos, extending frame by frame, ruins the quality on 3rd max 4th frame). The workaround is to download image of the last frame, than start ur next generation from this image(which is quite time consuming).
5. Option to auto extend adding multiple prompts for scenes. For example add 5 continious scenes prompts, than you get the "extended version" without need of manual need of entering prompts separately.
6. Im currently facing a lot of issues when trying to generate complex dialogues(takes me 50-60 generations in order to achieve the perfect one), and no the reason is not my prompts:) Basicly what i have observed is that when in a dialogue if there is a question and a sentance right after that, flow instantly swaps to the other particiapnt of the dialogue, even if its strict rule in the prompt of who says the VO line. Its annoying, and system heavy for your end.

[zealous tusk]

Usually to get to the right image there has to be many generations before, the most important issue is accuracy and less credits for fast generations

[stuck adder]

We need an option to decrease duration too sometimes I don’t need 8 seconds and it takes a bit to get moving

[tropic seal]

i think i never achieved a good complex dialog. I have hundreds of gens where people switch their lines and so on. And this is 2-3 sentences in a scene. Only way is to cut. Or be very lucke.

[rustic spoke]

yep, i would completely agree here aswell.

[near gate]

With the amount of throwaway clips I think 5 would be much better than 10 but 0 would be best for people paying close to a car payment a month in support.

[rustic spoke]

the way i managed to do it properly, is by splitting prompts. for example if i need 8sec dialogue and flow fails my 3rd line, i cut down to it, than create a new prompt, which continues the dialogue from where the 2nd VO lane ended. With strcit rule to start VO at 0.01 and use the extend option. This works quite good for me for short video creations. But the other issue which comes later is if the dialogue goes above 20sec. Than you need to create 5-6 prompts with 5-10 sometimes 20 generations per prompt in order to achieve perfect consistancy.

[lusty oracle]

Ingredients to Video with the Quality model

[stuck adder]

Yes this!

[runic dome]

Can someone please explain what is new with Nano Banana Pro? What is "Pro" about it?

[thick oriole]

https://blog.google/technology/ai/nano-banana-pro/

[runic dome]

Thankyou

[dire socket]

Let's go! 🙂

[wide ether]

You all can kinda do that in scene builder, just add a video to that and if you're fine with trimming off either end, you can do that there and export

[wide ether]

You all can kinda do that in scene builder, just add a video to that and if you're fine with trimming off either end, you can do that there and export

[rustic spoke]

okay, an example. I need to cut from sec 2 to sec 4, than proceed from 4 to 8. Considering this, you must use 3rd party editor. Which is annoying:)

[crystal ore]

when can we expect a 0 credit generation alternative for ultra users?

[rustic spoke]

check announcements. Its not comming back sadly

[wheat forge]

IM seeing this every time I try to generate an image now:

[thick oriole]

You're on ultra with nano-banana-pro? We're having issues with rolling out that new model. You can switch to Nano Banana

[wheat forge]

oh ok thanks for the prompt response!

I see it now, that does work

[thick oriole]

yep, sorry for this being broken on top of everything else

not a great day to be on the Flow eng team 😆 (but Nano Banana Pro is amazing, hope you all enjoy it once we get it fixed soon)

[sullen mountain]

You paid for the most expensive subscription... rollback to old model like all users ! And ... ho .... You will have to pay for fast generation now even if it was STATED that it was fully included !
We changed price so fast that our docs is still mentionning it as included

[sullen mountain]

not a great day to be your customers either

[proper drum]

The quality of Nano Banana is better in Flow than Gemini

[rustic spoke]

yeh im currently trying to figure what to do since ill deffinetely not buy aditional credits, will rather switch the model(it simply does not satisfy my needs) and used all my credits at the start of the month, who would expect that at the middle of the billing cycle they will be required once again:D