25$ to whoever makes a controllable monster mod

[faint hemlock]

Must have
-attack keybind
-no janky controls
-no janky camera
-wont break after 1 second of using it
Optional but i beg to add
-be able to pick up and drop scrap as lootbug
-drop bodies as bracken
-Wind up for jester

I would suggest adding a freecam to control them if ur dead (optional)

[median void]

https://tenor.com/bk6eu.gif

[icy plover]

Wow, a whole 25 dollars that's insane

[faint hemlock]

Nobody does anything unless theres pay involved

[weak gate]

Youre talking a lot of hours of work for that though

[faint hemlock]

this is why theres 25$ involved

[unkempt pendant]

his point just went over ya head

its a lot of work for just $25

[reef rock]

but it's $25

c'mon guys

..guys?

[hasty yarrow]

There is already a mod that lets you spectate monsters, so it doesnt seem like itd be too too difficult, especially because the game probably has functions for all of these things, it just depends how you want it to be, like if you control the jester pop state or the hoarding bug attack state

[hollow sorrel]

There is a huge difference between spectating monsters (aka just being in freecam and clamping your coordinate to their) and being able to hijack their AI especially in a networked maneer, especially given the different state of them : the flea has to be able to put hitself on ceilings, you will need a controller that let you pick where to do that, ideally visually. Spiders can climb wall, how are you gonna do that ? Actually, all monsters can cross gaps by flying, again how are you gonna do that ?

All of these questions have answers but it's gonna take quite some time by somebody quite experienced with this kind of questions to answer them and to translate them into code, enough time and enough experience to make 25$ feel more like an insult than a reward, like giving 5$ to a hook up in the morning

Nonetheless i of course appreciate the idea of wanting to reward modders.

[queen crow]

people already do this for free, i dont see how offering money when they could have just asked it for free like most people do is insulting. people make these mods out of love for the game and the community, if anything him offering money is encouraging people to want to do that to make a little change while doing it dispite the fact that the money is disproportional to the amount of work that would be done. if that feels like an insult to you then you kinda missed the point of why people like to make mods for games like this.

if money was a factor to begin with i would understand the low pay feeling like an insult but that misses the entire point of community modding in general

[hollow sorrel]

Well go chat up a pretty girl on a dating app and offer a 10$ bonus to have an intimate relationship, you will probably get a good lesson on what i mean.

Work is work, fun is fun, if you mix them it become work, no exception, if you have specs and pay and it ain't asked nicely it's work

[queen crow]

thats the biggest straw man though, one is equating someone's worth monetarily, the other is offering money for an act that generally is made with the idea that a profit isnt gonna be made. i get that perspective as a developer (which i myself am not) but its not like contracts are being signed, its not like he gave a deadline either so the fact that you aren't constrained to the project and can work at the pace you want then is it really work? also are you saying he didnt ask n nicley cause i missed the part where he was mean?

[queen crow]

there are people who would be insulted no matter what you offer in that senario, people are generally happy to be paid as long as its an amount they deem reasonable, you see why that analogy dosent work?

[hollow sorrel]

So you think that generally people would be happy to get offered a small amount of pocket change to sleep with somebody ? Or are you trying to dispove the analogy by changing the parameters a lot ?
And yes, there are two type of peoples who would be offended in that type of scenario : people who don't want to do that for any amount of money and would rather do it for free on their own conditions, and people that would be okay with doing it for money but would find the amount insultingly low.
Wich are the two type of devs i would expect to have the same type of reaction here.

[queen crow]

ok i kinda worded that poorley

poorly

one sec

[hasty yarrow]

I dont see why we are talking about sleeping with people

[hollow sorrel]

Because it help people visualise why you wouldn't necessarily be happy about being offered money to do something you would do for free

That's kinda the point of an analogy

[hasty yarrow]

Im with swizzels here, I view this as more of an idea, many of which that are more ambitious being suggested with a bit of monetary bonus to attract attention

[hollow sorrel]

You can view this however you want, i'm just explaining the knee-jerks reactions from the offer as i'm a dev myself and used to this kind of stuff

[queen crow]

ok well in that case i didnt understand the analogy and was arguing a side you didnt take, although i dont see why people would get mad if they dont want the money when they could just refuse it and still make the mod if the idea was that appealing to them, that just sounds like people finding reasons to be mad lmao.

i wanna make it clear im not saying your opinion is wrong

its probably more valid then mine since you actually are in that feild

[hollow sorrel]

If that doesn't fit in your worldview it's not really my concern, i would not be surprized if somebody make the mod for free, i would be very surprized of anybody claiming the reward tho

[queen crow]

field

[hasty yarrow]

Great for you! I hope you can understand how it might be offensive to essentially sneer at the amount of money someone offers up to their vision

[queen crow]

im just saying my perspective on it cause having conversations like this helps people gain new perspectives on things

i cant spell holy shit

[hollow sorrel]

Nah you're twisting that way too much here.

[queen crow]

dude why are you acting like a dick

[hasty yarrow]

Thats the way I interpreted your reaction, I can understand how you couldve meant this differnetly with how you cant convey tone over the internet

[queen crow]

we are talking in a civil manor

[hasty yarrow]

I interpreted his action as rude, he couldve meant it differently

[queen crow]

wait

op or exterminatum?

[hollow sorrel]

Yeah they don't really get "mad", we are used to this kind of offer it's at worst a slight frown, it's just slighly annoying and i know it's not easy for everybody to get why it's annoying because it's mostly something that you know only when you're in the field

[queen crow]

im confused what ur talking about

[hasty yarrow]

Exterm

[queen crow]

yeah like you said i have no personal experience like that but i think i could see why it would be the case.

[queen crow]

i didnt tho

[hasty yarrow]

The way im seeing this is that Ops offer was kind of an insult to the worth of time of a dev, i could be seeing this the wrong way

[hasty yarrow]

I dont understand this response

[queen crow]

oh nvm

im stupid jesus

no i understand what you are saying

you are of exterm's opinion

[hollow sorrel]

Then yes that is the case. I have no hard feeling about it, but yes it's insultingly low

[queen crow]

nah okay

[hollow sorrel]

Wich i know is known, and i supposed to be brushed off by the idea that it's just a "complementary reward for a request"

[hasty yarrow]

I can see why people will think that way, but ultimately its up to the dev to choose whether they take the offer

[hollow sorrel]

i'm just explaining why that doesn't work in the reality

[queen crow]

i appreceate you being level headed and actually engaging with me instead of getting offended right away, i wish more people were like you when it came to talking online.

[hollow sorrel]

Sure, as i said i'm pretty sure it will not be taken, but the mod may be made anyway

[queen crow]

this was actually really enjoyable dude

[hollow sorrel]

same

[weak gate]

I used to work on fiverr, i made 200$ in a year.. i worked maybe 20 - 30 hours on each project and made about 5 - 10$ per, it gave good experiance however i wouldnt recommend someone do the same

[icy plover]

So much talking.

Not much coding.

[near pivot]

says the guy in #1176692790210605056

[icy plover]

What does that even mean

[faint hemlock]

I dont get why people argue about 25$ not being much, take it or leave it

[near pivot]

exactly

normally people dont pay anything

[icy plover]

Because it's meaningless.

It's like saying "Do this complicated mod and I'll give you a 12 piece chicken nugget."

I skimmed through the convo and someone's argument was "Someone will do it anyway, it's like a bonus for them."
There are two scenarios here:

• No one would make a mod this complicated just for 25 dollars, so this offer is meaningless.
• If someone makes this mod, they won't be making it for 25 dollars, so this offer is meaningless.

In any case, if someone does make this mod, I hope they get their 25 dollars.

[near pivot]

the point of my message is to say that it's not worth arguing over.
but you still are.
for no reason.

..........

[icy plover]

You are doing the same. If you are going to give cool advice like that, you should follow it too.

[near pivot]

shush

[unkempt hound]

so you want a perfect mod with no bugs that works with every other mod combination while also being user-freindly, not janky, and have extra features that are probably impossible to implement at the current stage of Lethal? LMAOOO 😭

these mod requests get more funny everyday

[unkempt hound]

if this is a joke, good one

[unkempt hound]

@hollow sorrel is right here, controlling monsters would be a huge headache compared to simply spectating monsters

money involved or not, this request is flawed

[faint hemlock]

Im sorry i cant offer 12 billion dollars for a fucking mod, im sorry im not elon musk, im sorry im not as rich as some other fucks
God damn dude give me a fucking break if they dont wanna do it then they dont have to

[unkempt hound]

at least in the current stage of the game

[faint hemlock]

I dont do coding, so just maybe my request is over the top

[unkempt hound]

it is (for now)

[icy plover]

I didn't tell you to offer billions.

[faint hemlock]

never heard of exagerations?

[icy plover]

I didn't tell you to offer more money.

[unkempt hound]

should they have just not offered then?

what do you propose then?

if this request was doable

[faint hemlock]

somebody did actually make a controllable monster mod, its just that camera is janky and stuff
but controlling monster itself is doable

[icy plover]

Eh, kind of. It's just weird to advertise it like this. Pay whatever you want to the mod makers, 5 dollars, 100 dollars. I'm sure they would appreciate. But putting a bounty on the mod is just weird.

[hollow sorrel]

And there we go, "for a fucking mod" like it ain't a lot of very qualified work. That's where the insult ultimately lie.
There is absolutely no problem with not having the mean to finance mods, just put your request and add that you would be eager to donate 25$ to the good soul who decide to make one like that. Skip the part where you have mandatory requirements and you are good to go.

[faint hemlock]

i want a "functional" mod, if i put everything in optional then mod makers are gonna get lazy

[hollow sorrel]

mod makers are gonna do wtf they want to do because that's what people doing free work as a hobby do

[icy plover]

Yeah they are gonna try to snatch that 25 dollars for sure.

[hollow sorrel]

A whole 20mn of pay

What a deal for a thing that's gonna take weeks

[faint hemlock]

if its not good deal, then what do you think would make it worth it

im not elon musk i cant promise like 200$ for a single mod

[icy plover]

Did you not read anything I typed?

[unkempt hound]

what mod

[faint hemlock]

im gonna gatekeep

🖕

[unkempt hound]

then fuck off LMAO

bye

cant help if i cant get a reference mod

[faint hemlock]

if its references than sure ig

[unkempt hound]

whats the fucking point in gatekeeping a mod you arent using

😭

funny

[faint hemlock]

its not that im not using it its just that it could be better

[hollow sorrel]

In term of financial reward, short of hiring a pro on the side for market price (wich is gonna cost you between 200 a 800$ per day of work), probably nothing.
But you don't necessary need a financial reward, people usually do mods for fun, so you can just request like everybody here else and maybe somebody will decide to di, or if you REALLY want it to happen then you can try to DIY and then ask for help, we are usually very willing to help people who (really) try

[unkempt hound]

you could ask the mod author instead of us

like request an update/change

instead of doing an entire mod from scratch

because it seems like you kinda have the mod you need already

[faint hemlock]

mod author said he wasnt interested in making it better

It's just a physics rigid body and each directional key emits an impulse in that specific direction.

[unkempt hound]

can you send the mod then?

[icy plover]

It's impressive that someone was able to make something like that

[unkempt hound]

yea i agree

so stop gatekeeping a public mod @faint hemlock

i wanna see

[hollow sorrel]

I'd guess it doesn't really control the mob but just allow you to nudge it to where you want him to go

Way simpler but yes close to unusable

[faint hemlock]

one second

[unkempt hound]

thats not even close to controlling IMO

[hollow sorrel]

Indeed

[unkempt hound]

controlling would be removing/replacing the AI of the selected mob with WASD input

(in my mind)

plus other actions

like snare flea going on ceiling or spiders climbing

would you control the monster as a spectator? like dead

i dont really see another way to do it

i imagine scrolling through monsters as a spectator and selecting one to control

to mess with your friends, etc

[hollow sorrel]

Could be something like l4d where you switch between first and third person depending on what you are currently doing

[faint hemlock]

ill show a demo

@unkempt hound

its definitely possible

[hollow sorrel]

Can you move ? Or trigger an action ?

[unkempt hound]

are you freecamming?

i guess the mod is a cheat mod

[faint hemlock]

yes i was

[hollow sorrel]

(And yes the mod itself is definitively possible, we can hijack pretty much everything in the game and technically do well whatever can be done with unity, more or less since it's way more difficult to do some things with injection, it's just a lot of work)

[faint hemlock]

only real action i can do is jump, AI still controls attacking and stuff

and move too

[unkempt hound]

the mod is possible but this is using injections

i have no clue how that works

[hollow sorrel]

Ho it's pretty much the same as any other mods

We are using a lot of injection in modding

You need it to modify well anything that's vanilla

that's usually what make mods incompatible : when they are both modifying the same thing

[unkempt hound]

so this is possible then?

just hard

[hollow sorrel]

of course

indeed

very hard

(well, not THAT hard, i'm pretty sure i see several modders that could do it)

Just i mean it's a lot of work

[unkempt hound]

wait so this was the nutcracker moving

not you?

[faint hemlock]

no it was me

[hollow sorrel]

I think it was him, nutracker don't stray offpath in normal condition

[faint hemlock]

i control moving and jumping i dont control attacking

also i cant properly see infront of me and i can go at mach 2 with a hydrogere

[hollow sorrel]

wich should definitively be a feature, the legends of the turbo-hydrogere

[faint hemlock]

i just want a better version of the current one

[hollow sorrel]

Yeah it's already hard to mod a game that a lot of people are trying to mod at the same time i doubt anybody would start modding a mod, but maybe somebodywill do something like that

[unkempt hound]

someone said modders are waiting for libraries to be created

[hollow sorrel]

Yeah it's to be expected in modding, in the beginning only experts can find their way around but as libraries & documentation & tutorial pop around it become more and more accessible

[hasty yarrow]

Look if you just wanted like basic movement same character stuff and a 1 shot attack for shits and giggles that’d be fine but the mod you want right now is way too hard

[unkempt hound]

Real

In the future it will be easier to create mods though

Right now the requirements are a little far fetched

[faint hemlock]

yeah ima wait for later when more libraries and apis are created

[harsh cosmos]

I was thinking about this today you took the words right out my mouth I’ll chip in a pat on the back

[glacial needle]

funny how modders already do work for free but when someone offers money you're like "nah that's too much work for just 25 dollars"

it's better than working for free

[near pivot]

ikr

[faint hemlock]

🤑