I mean this also begs the question, why don't ladders make noise for dogs then?
#[V80] Starter Pack / Starter Pack Plus
tender wave
it's to prevent sound overlaps, but in reality it's just cuz people spam it and it's annoying to some people (but like just tell your friends not to)
it's a config now tho so I'm pretty happy
tender wave
Subjectively that could be considered a bug too.
prolly yeah
it's still a lil confusing tho like it makes more sense for jumping to not make that much noise compared to stepping on a very loud steel ladder
but ig that's zeeks for ya
pliant river
It's more about the jump cheese
chrome matrix
We know, but it brings about the side effect of making getting into or on top of the ship much much harder.
Besides, I don't even think the "jump cheese" is much of a cheese anyway.
pliant river
If you only jump, dogs won't hear, but if you jump+moving they do.
chrome matrix
It's nothing like crouch sliding pre v50.
You have to jump + move to get onto the ship đ€
crisp imp
I agree that jumping should be silent by default just as it is in vanilla
very subjective balance change that feels out of scope for a basic bug fix pack
pliant river
You have to jump + move to get onto the ship đ€
you need to walk a lot for the dog to attack you.
chrome matrix
?
You mean to pick up your sound or to go full rage?
Because even it picking up on your sound is still almost the same as aggroing on you
tender wave
very subjective balance change that feels out of scope for a basic bug fix pack
a few things in bf are which is why some have been taken out or have had configs added for them, very popular conversation about the mod
but I can't blame buttery cuz she never rlly meant to be the one to fix 99% of the bugs in vanilla
humble warren
OK IM DISABLING
But only on base starter pack :3 muehehehe
The idea of starter pack is to be the least subjective possible
It does say in the description that both buttery and cruiserimproved are the most subjective ones in the list
It does happen that anyone can config them by themselves
But ill disable them by default
The people have spoken!!
Both of em? Or just the jump cheese
chrome matrix
Both, since as mentioned people might be relying on knowledge from the wiki.
I had one of my friends get pretty pissed because they died from spray paint being conductive too, because they've played so much vanilla that they were just use to it not being conductive.
humble warren
i really dont agree with these changes, specially this conductive one since not many people would struggle with that because they have memorized all the items that are conductive in the game
ill change the jump stuff, but ill have to bother @tender wave @pliant river @crisp imp on their opinions for this :3
tender wave
I think both is good
jump cheese fix doesn't seem to be super bad since you can use the ladder so im like....
60-40 on it
humble warren
the pack is meant to be objective, but not to be vanila
tender wave
more towards kill it but idrm
humble warren
until what point something is more a fix and less a subjective change
tender wave
when it changes the balance of the game in a way that doesn't prevent "cheesing" but just messes with people's game knowledge
so like
for example I think if you changed Adamance's layout to not have that tree clipping into the mountain that allows you to bring back items without having to go the whole way around the middle of map
that'd be a subjective change, cuz it's not cheesing it's game knowledge
same with that little ramp you could use to bypass going under the bridge on your way back
like those can be considered jank but it's not a "bug" it's just the way the game is, just like spray paint not being conductive
humble warren
:c
humble warren
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true
everything is subjective
thats the only fact
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tan tirando puro fuegos artificiales
tender wave
cosa raraaa
humble warren
o quiza es el estadio nacional, creo que estĂĄ milo j ahora jkfdshk
siiii
son las 9, a esa hora empieza el concierto jejeje
everything is subjective, someone can think a bug is actually a feature, or intentional
i guess zeekers is the only one who would know the answers to his own games
but even he probably doesnt fully know
the creeper originated from a bug
humble warren
Milo J
no lo conoces?
yo apenas lo conozco dskfjhkds pero parece que es bastante conocido, todos mis amigos lo aman
tender wave
no lo conoces?
no!!!
bueno espero se divierta la gente
y que no se muera nadie!!!!
que la gente en los recitales se ponen loquisimas a veces
humble warren
true, va a estar bien yo creo, es mas piola
humble warren
no!!!
a no no es milo j kjfdshk eso fue ayer, ahora es porque ganĂł el colocolo dfkjjksdk grupo de futbol de acĂĄ
va a quedar la cagĂĄ
es como el boca de Chile kjfdshfkjsd
tender wave
@chrome matrix good news
does not aggro dogs if you're just jumping in place
I tried it next to two dogs just out on a map
chrome matrix
does not aggro dogs if you're just jumping in place
does this include moving after jumping?
humble warren
I play with the mod and i havent gotten that happen to me idk
tender wave
jump running triggers
humble warren
I always try to do it as slow as possible but ye
tender wave
everything else doesn't
chrome matrix
I just keep it disabled, I don't want to gamble with subjective fixes like that.
tender wave
ye but atleast what we were worried abt isn't a thing lol
humble warren
yaaay
pliant river
i really dont agree with these changes, specially this conductive one since not ...
It's a fix no matter if its gonna make the game harder or not. And I always play with that turn on, and I don't have problems with eyelessdog. And the conductive option is an improvement; of course a mod is gonna modify the game. If they prefer vanilla just play vanillafixes modpack.
humble warren
also, wasnt jump cheese patched in vanilla?
pliant river
Probably no. Buttery removed some fixes when she released an update to v80
humble warren
i remember something about jump cheese getting patched like a loooong time ago
like v60 fix or smth
chrome matrix
No it wasn't fixed
crisp imp
i remember something about jump cheese getting patched like a loooong time ago
you may be thinking of crouch sprinting
chrome matrix
It was v50, I remember it specifically being patched for v50's development.
humble warren
Oki oki yeah i think i know why i was confused hehe
You can run when crouching if you have something abive your head preventing you to get up
So like citadel tunnels you can run while crouching
But what was patched was something else
It was like running while spamming the crouch button right?
crisp imp
spamming the crouch button while sprinting so that it wouldn't make any footstep sounds and also not slow you down at all
i believe now it both slows you down and makes footstep sounds
pliant river
Does SuitSaver still work on v80?
humble warren
It works for me!
humble warren
should i add nestfix?
im gonna add it to plus, but maybe to base too! what do you beautiful people think
wicked basin
Rawr
teal hornet
should i add nestfix?
yes
crisp imp
nestfix is cool do it
teal hornet
all it does is make baboon nests spawn in spots that arent weird right
should be good
humble warren
hasty cloud
should i add nestfix?
netflix is cool do it
humble warren
is not when it cancels some of the best shows!!!
humble warren
Wiwiwi
crisp imp
2
pliant river
all it does is make baboon nests spawn in spots that arent weird right
looks like old birds too
teal hornet
cool
chrome matrix
Oh yeah I also think that perhaps SpiderPositionFix should be saved for plus only
It's another one of those deals where it can unexpectedly catch someone off guard.
humble warren
what how why
chrome matrix
So in vanilla, spiders cannot cross gaps.
And a lot of people use that knowledge to distance themselves from spiders depending on how the room layouts are (ie if it's a room connected to say a large belt room)
humble warren
chrome matrix
That doesn't work afaik.
Whether it's enabled or disabled, spiders can still cross the gaps.
humble warren
well that sounds like something that we should report to the dev then
chrome matrix
Yeah like it's considered a "feature" of spiders that they can't cross gaps
chrome matrix
I think it's one of those deals where technically it is broken, but Zeekerss just hasn't bothered to fix it, but I also don't know for sure if that's the case.
On the flip side, spiders can kill in certain safe spots in vanilla too.
humble warren
ye it feels less like a bug, more like a feature
humble warren
starter pack!!
hasty cloud
im becoming a starter pack scalper
scalping all of the new releases and selling them for higher
winter haven
starter pack!!
what is that?
humble warren
im becoming a starter pack scalper
ty!!!
humble warren
what is that?
a pack to start!!
hasty cloud
what is that?
a pack to end
humble warren
grilled cheese grilled cheese grilled cheese
hasty cloud
which isnt a form of toast
humble warren
its not a form of toast because its literally toast!! yay!!
hasty cloud
its not a form of toast because its literally toast!! yay!!
its a cheese sandwich
its a toasted sandwich but thats not the same as toast
you could say hot chocolate is toasty but its not toast
humble warren
MUAHAHHA
humble warren
HOW BAD
is the uhm matty position stuff
should i change it to vanilla positions?
it doesnt affect me too much, honestly i sometimes like them even better than vanilla hehe, but objectivity!!! (got complaints about it hehe)
crisp imp
i wonder who the complaint was from......
but yeah no a lot of the default mattyfixes rotations are just. bad
humble warren
you have cooler ones? :3
crisp imp
i of course have my own config with all of my ideal drop rotations, buttery and some others use it as well
humble warren
i rember you have default ones, but maybe cooler too?
humble warren
i of course have my own config with all of my ideal drop rotations, buttery and ...
muehehhe
crisp imp
but there are still subjective things about it so i would honestly recommend having them be as close to vanilla as possible
hell, tomorrow i could put together a config that kinda meshes the two ideas together
humble warren
:o
crisp imp
because there are vanilla rotations that suck like the v81 belt bag and tongue and stuff, so those i would consider "fixes"
crisp imp
and then some of it would simply just be fixing dumb shit like the mattyfixes large axle default
crisp imp
in vanilla, dropping the large axle makes it go straight down as you'd expect
mattyfixes, by default, flips it 180 degrees so it always does a spin when you drop it
the v type engine is also sideways, and that's the extent of what i remember
humble warren
yea i mean the v type i dont really mind it
but large axle sounds funni and a good fix
crisp imp
sideways v-type is subjective, i can see why somebody might like it
but the large axle one is just completely objectively bad
humble warren
yeeeeeee
humble warren
but the large axle one is just completely objectively bad
nothing is objective >:3 but yeah sounds so weiiiird
crisp imp
im gonna give you a config where everything spins 720 degrees when you drop it
we'll see how subjective that is
humble warren
crisp imp
im sowry cheese that was mean of me
humble warren
noooou :3 dw hehe