BiggerShip

[sand minnow]

they're flat grey rn

[fervent notch]

🙂

fun!

[sand minnow]

and I might be wrong but I feel like the texturing on the outside of the ship is also slightly busted but I can't tell if it's just me looking at it too much, I'll try to do some comparisons w the vanilla ship and take pics for you later

[fervent notch]

you mean the metal tiling?

I've had an idea for that, i'll try to find the screenshots

[sand minnow]

I think so yes

the top is just fine but the sides feel off for some reason

but again I might just be schizo so dw about it

[fervent notch]

they are different from vanilla

you are not losing your mind

the thing is: i cannot make it look like vanilla cause of the changes i've made to the model

it will not tile correctly if i make it smaller 😭

[sand minnow]

I figured, cuz it's a diff model, but what I mean is it looks off from what I tested with way back when

[fervent notch]

the tiles are much bigger, that's true

[sand minnow]

which again might just be me being schizo

[royal oasis]

I know what you mean but it has not bothered me much thus far

[royal oasis]

Hype! We love QoL

[mystic hound]

If I change logs from developer to basic when I start the game it changes to developer again.

[fervent notch]

oh shit did i not fix it yet

my bad chief, will fix in the next one

[fervent notch]

before

and after

[royal oasis]

This is great ^-^

[sand minnow]

thats better yeah!

[fervent notch]

i'm thinking of making those lights a little bit brighter still

cause those settings were taken directly from vanilla, which had a smaller area to cover

[royal oasis]

I think their brightness is pretty good

What do you hope to see/achieve with higher brightness?

[sand minnow]

I think it's fine as it is, don't wanna make it super bright

it is still a nasty metal coffin of a ship

[pliant glacier]

also for moons with custom brightness (cough cough Icebound)

[fervent notch]

it's increasing the "top light" brightness by 40%

this is right now

[royal oasis]

What would be the value between both?

[fervent notch]

145 >>> 200

[royal oasis]

I'd like to see the brightness for 175 if you don't mind

[fervent notch]

that's 175

[royal oasis]

I think that's pretty good

Still dark to make it a bit gloomy but you can still see stuff

[fervent notch]

i'll check 175 with TooManySuits

[royal oasis]

With the new light height that should already be covered I think but good idea

^-^

[timber marsh]

making it brighter is fine as long as my face is not being flashed while walking under the light source

[fervent notch]

oh i didn't change the height 🤭

i've increased light range

[royal oasis]

Ohh

Then with that

[royal oasis]

Hm, it is certainly more readable than it is with the current release

Best case I think the pages display would be changed to ignore light or sth.

Idk how feasible/easy to do it is

[fervent notch]

my idea was to create a light source behind the pages UI

but it didn't really look that good

[royal oasis]

Maybe add a small lamp lamp similar to the one above fireexit above the suits

Much less bright, same color as the other lights, maybe also scaled down

[timber marsh]

my thought is just raise the light source but make it reach wider area

by raise like literally moving it up again to the ceiling

can also move up the lamp model if u want

[royal oasis]

Also valid idea, though that probably looks less nice I think

Would be much easier though

[timber marsh]

the top part is good i think but the lower part looks dimmer than the normal one (and the text too is still dark)

u see how the bright part/line is on the default

[royal oasis]

The placement is much more favorable in the vanilla ship

[fervent notch]

I can just make the light sources cast wider cone 😅

[fervent notch]

okay, I see what you mean

I'll see what I can do

[timber marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-walking-cone-tips-over-cute-gif-17916485

[sand minnow]

fucking evil

[mystic hound]

And for some reason, when the ship is taking off, the enemies from the ship get stuck in the left and right corners while it's flying.

[royal oasis]

Had that with a Masked as well

[mystic hound]

It's only a problem with bees since we leave beehives near the ship's rail.

[fervent notch]

that's interesting

so when you're taking off with enemies on the catwalk they get always stuck?

[pliant glacier]

yup.
Happened to me too on bees

[fervent notch]

I'll check

[sand minnow]

I noticed a similar issue with boom birds

when taking off a few of them got stuck on the border of the ship roof

[opaque monolith]

I don't think this is necessarily a you issue Mel's ship does this too, it's because of the stuff you have to do to add navmesh to the ship

It's not a bug, more so a side effect

[solid crow]

i do think that with bigger ship and mel's since the navmesh is baked ON the ship, instead of on the moon the enemies get stuck there instead of "left behind"

[mystic hound]

Nope

[solid crow]

imperium just loads the navmesh once and does not update constantly, that's why it shows there

[opaque monolith]

What Kenji said is right, I said the same thing. It's a side effect of Bigger Ship and Mel's ships having to bake navmesh onto their ships not a bug

Mel even said that this happens as a feature basically in her changelog when she did it for her ship

lol

[mystic hound]

ah

Sorry

[solid crow]

don't be, you learn something new everyday c:

[opaque monolith]

You're fine lol

[fervent notch]

WHAT IF it's the case of me needing to update the collider's size

the one that pushes the enemies from the ship

[solid crow]

i mean, it's not really needed imo? but you can test

kenrov

[fervent notch]

it's really weird that it happens

[fervent notch]

[opaque monolith]

I mean I've been used to it from using Mel's ship so it doesn't bother me lol

[mental flame]

is it weirder than Weather tweaks code? i dont think so

[fervent notch]

nothing is

[mental flame]

yeah 🥸

[fervent notch]

how's that? @timber marsh @royal oasis

this is with brighter ceiling lights, brighter lamps, added range and wider light cones

[royal oasis]

You can certainly see a lot better in the ship now

I suppose it looks more like vanilla too, so, good job ^-^

[deep forge]

:D

[timber marsh]

Thanks mrov very cool mrov

[fervent notch]

okie, i'll push the update later - thanks for the feedback! 😇

[fervent notch]

i don't really know why it's happening, that's the worst part 😅

my suspicion right now is that it's something to do with mesh colliders on the railings

will check how vanilla does it

[sand minnow]

it also happens w the roof jsyk

[fervent notch]

oh

so they are stuck on the roof?

could this be it?

[sand minnow]

ye boombirds get carried by the edge of the roof when the ship is leaving

[fervent notch]

I've expanded that trigger and it didn't work for bees 🥲

if you're available later we can test this insanity

[sand minnow]

i might be able to test, not super sure

[fervent notch]

why are you like this 😔

[pliant glacier]

oof

[opaque monolith]

How did you do this?

lol

[fervent notch]

this is there since the first version 🥲

[solar saddle]

Compressing the texture

[fervent notch]

the thing is

I'm referencing the vanilla one

and I think it's doing something to put it inside of a square

when the original texture has a different aspect ratio

[ivory bough]

heyo, ive got a weird mod conflict going on. ive been using the "scanned item highlights" feature from sciencebird tweaks for awhile, but started having an issue where the highlights become super bright after adding biggership to my modpack. disabling biggership fixes the issue and makes the highlights normal again. i tried making a testing pack and just adding biggership and sciencebird tweaks, but i cant replicate the issue with just those two mods installed x.x, im not really sure what to make of it lol

mod pack and log where it occurs: 019a32e3-7ad8-d5cd-5fc1-714f0675c3ec

without biggership:

[opaque monolith]

🤔

[mental flame]

I fixed it by making a copy personally

[fervent notch]

found the issue: ripping the game produced this wonderful, weird-ratio icon

that game converts to a square at runtime lmao

[sand minnow]

oh how fun 💀

[fervent notch]

hey monty

hey monty

do you have some free time rn?

[sand minnow]

i am sitting in the park trying not to fall asleep and get robbed

I won't be home for another 12+ hours I think

[fervent notch]

okie

[sour finch]

bio-monty's being kinda homeless
damn 😔

[royal oasis]

just wants to be closer to the local biosphere

[fervent notch]

that is true

just found out

🥲

fuck

[opaque monolith]

What did you do?

[fervent notch]

i need to disable the ship navmesh when it's moving

this will be fun

[opaque monolith]

I really don't think the enemies staying on the ship when leaving needs fixed

It happens with Mel's ship too

[fervent notch]

yes, cause we both did it incorrectly

[opaque monolith]

I figured it was just a side effect thing

I never considered it to be a problem

[fervent notch]

it is a side effect

and a problem

let me phrase this differently

for me it's an unintended behavior that must be fixed

[opaque monolith]

Well I suppose you can always tell Mel how to fix it when you figure it out but I also thought they stayed on the Vanilla ship too for some reason lol

[fervent notch]

they did not

issue is: when the ship starts the navmesh stays in place for the "landed" state

and enemies keep their position on the navmesh, not on the ship

i've got a fix ready to test

and that's everything for this update

[opaque monolith]

Well neat, if it works you should dm Mel and tell her how to fix it for her ship

I know she wants to update it sometime and rework some things

So that could be a good thing to give her motivation once her pc issues are resolved

[solar saddle]

mel's ship is intentionally done as it is

[opaque monolith]

Ahhhh

Yeah I like the enemies staying on the ship tbh it's funny

Morv should keep it as a config option

I kinda wanna keep it as a feature

XD

[fervent notch]

you must be insane

i am not adding more configs for this mod, there's too many already

[solar saddle]

@fervent notch just carve the ship out of white cubes, parent it to the normal ship, generate navmesh on those white cubes, unparent when ship starts leaving, reparent when its in orbit, repeat

[opaque monolith]

You don't like seeing Nutcrackers hitching a ride while leaving the moon?

LMFAO

[fervent notch]

no 😛

[fervent notch]

that is something i've done now

and it did not solve it 🥲

[solar saddle]

wut, if the white cube mesh isn't following the ship how the fuck would the navmesh be following the ship

[fervent notch]

it's not only navmesh issue

[solar saddle]

from what i understood you had some stuff pushing enemies out but you shouldnt need any of that

[fervent notch]

there are cubes added separately from the ship itself

and those are generating navmesh surface

and it's positioned correctly in the scene

but i don't know why the railings keep them in

because i've mimicked the vanilla setup for them

[solar saddle]

you can tell the ship has some sort of navmesh still on it though

the supposed navmesh is supposed to be under you but the mask is showing that its walking on the catwalk

also just ot make absolute sure of this conclusion

i'd pause time using unity explorer at this instant

and i'd go to navmeshagent of the mask

and check for the field that references the mask being on navmesh

[fervent notch]

let me try that

fucking thing 🥲

@solar saddle this one?

after ship starts it gets null

and when it (the masked) lands on the ground it switches to the scene one

[solar saddle]

oh nah it should be something like NavMeshAgent.OnNavmesh

[solar saddle]

is that set to true while you're flying away?

[fervent notch]

checking rn

it stayed true

but it was blocked by the railing 😔

there's one more thing i haven't added yet

and it might be the cause

[solar saddle]

i dont know why it moved towards the railing

that part doesnt make sense to me

[fervent notch]

maybe the navmesh surface is not high enough?

and enemies are being dragged downwards, but the grate stops them

and then trying to follow the navmesh but can't pass the railings?

i don't really know tbh

[solar saddle]

ignore the grate, anything that can stop the player cant stop the enemies

enemies are literally snapped to teh navmesh

is your navmesh visualisation updating in real time?

because im convinced the navmesh is following the ship as it goes up too

[fervent notch]

no, imperium only does it during landing

and that's the interesting part: when the doors open the navmesh is not on the ship already

the ship lands and aligns with the navmesh

and it stays on the ground until round ends

because the ship starts on the ground, the navmesh is built and then it's moved and does its animation

so it shouldn't follow the ship during landing/starting

[solar saddle]

okay if you're able to figure out what in imperium does the navmesh visualisation and force it to repeat you'd get a much greater idea of whats going on

iirc its one of Imperium's visualizers

[fervent notch]

i've tried doing that already, but it's difficult to trigger manually 😔

i'll find that

[solar saddle]

keep in mind that the default moon scene still has navmesh in it, i dont know how you got rid of its navmesh but there is a possibility that you infact didn't and instead overlapped your own navmesh with imperium's or something really funky i honestly dont entirely know

[solar saddle]

i think you can keep running OnRefresh in unity explorer or your own code then

[fervent notch]

the default moon scene still has navmesh in it

[fervent notch]

will try

[solar saddle]

i honestly dont know if disabling the gameobject would disable the navmesh on that gameobject, especially with how navmesh is baked

i dont think disabling that gameobject disables the navmesh

well ig

if you disable it before navmesh generates

that would work i think

[fervent notch]

it doesn't

but if i disable and rebuild

it does

[solar saddle]

hmm yeah that makes sense

[fervent notch]

could it be because of those?

[solar saddle]

if they're plain colliders then nope

[fervent notch]

vanilla railings have those cubes in Railing layer

[solar saddle]

maybe if they have one of those navmesh obstacle or navmesh volume components on them

but if its just normal colliders then it wouldn't be

ofc you can just test that by deleting em

[solar saddle]

or extending your navmesh further ahead of the ship and seeing if they get put even further

yeah i doubt that would do anything

[fervent notch]

this shit is frustrating ngl

is there a way to check which layers will block the enemy?

other than on the individual objects along the way

the navmesh is always with the ship

fuck

[solar saddle]

there isnt anything

the only thing that can block NavMeshAgents are the NavMesh components

stuff like NavMeshObstacle

just press add component to check out what other navmesh components there are

some of em delete navmesh, some of them block agents, some of them make an area more expensive for agents to walk through

[fervent notch]

fuck

this is gonna be fun

[solar saddle]

yeah, im honestly not sure how you did what you did, you sure you didnt add anything to push agents off the ship while its flying away? anything like a bounds that grows over the entire ship or bigger etc?

[fervent notch]

no, i didn't

that's the thing tho: the navmesh stays parented to the ship, so they should be on it all the time

and they get pushed down 🤔

i have an idea, but i'm hoping it's not gonna work lol

weird

[fervent notch]

it's stuck there even without a railing

oh my fucking god

[solar saddle]

ye ofc :p

[fervent notch]

oh my navmesh patch didn't wrong cause i misspelled it 🙂

[solar saddle]

nice

[fervent notch]

how is it both better and worse

[solar saddle]

Skull

[fervent notch]

i think i managed to fix it

[solar saddle]

Oh?

[mystic hound]

https://tenor.com/view/grey-matter-ben10-big-brain-gif-20748460

[fervent notch]

my solution is: when ship starts i'm disabling the ship navmesh and rebuilding that part

everything is instantly deparented

[pliant glacier]

weird ahh old animal planet graph

[fervent notch]

but it's BAAAAAAD

if someone would like to test if nothing is terribly broken, I'd be super grateful 😅

[pliant glacier]

Time to test :]

[pliant glacier]

just this when leaving

not sure if it's this (testing on my modpack)

[fervent notch]

mmmmm but it shouldnt be me

[pliant glacier]

light switch position still not changed with FurnitureLock

I had to move it manually

[fervent notch]

oh no i forgot about ittttttt

[pliant glacier]

:,]

[pliant glacier]

can confirm the enemy being on ground when leaving now works

[fervent notch]

it looks fucking janky 😭

i don't really like the execution (as it is right now), but that's something i'll work on tomorrow

[royal oasis]

Did the adjustments for the lighting in the ship get pushed to Thunderstore already?
-# Don't mean to pressure, just asking

[fervent notch]

no, i want to release everything at once

[fervent notch]

if you want to check how it looks, manually import this:

[royal oasis]

Thanks, might do that ^-^

[pliant glacier]

uhm... Mrov?

I think something broke

also the furniture somehow got reset?

some of them?

[opaque monolith]

I don't think this is your ship mod causing this

I did a wipe once with BiggerShip iirc and it was fine

you may wanna check your log for errors

[fervent notch]

oh what the hell 😆

[pliant glacier]

I'm playing the beta

but it could be another thing

[fervent notch]

I think I've left a cheeky debug thing in there

I'll send another one tomorrow, hopefully having fixed the navmesh issues

[deep forge]

figured.. that's why I didn't ask

[fervent notch]

BiggerShip 1.0.6

• removed debug logging being forced on (thanks, @mystic hound !)
• fixed lights not illuminating walls correctly (thanks: @timber marsh , @royal oasis !)
• fixed navmesh blocking enemies from getting off the ship (thanks: @mystic hound , @solid crow , @solar saddle !)
• fixed MagnetLever config using wrong directions

[sour finch]

[mental flame]

mrov took the time to update and fix the mod 😊 🙌
mrov didnt took the time to fix images in the readme 🥺

[fervent notch]

🙂

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[sour finch]

[timber marsh]

very cool mrov, now readme update

[fervent notch]

😔

[sour finch]

i forgor💀

[polar smelt]

Morving what the hell is that mod

Does it even work??

[sour finch]

launch a game into WHAT?

[fervent notch]

what do you mean

[polar smelt]

In the future we will have a mod that launches directly into a moon

[fervent notch]

why is it not hidden anymore

[sour finch]

then facility

[polar smelt]

Then overseer ending cutscene

[fervent notch]

which one? 🤭

[polar smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-moo-cat-moo-gif-8734802779884778845

[fervent notch]

don't worry about it 🤭

[polar smelt]

Morv you are amazing

Dos it really work?

Does

[fervent notch]

yes

[polar smelt]

How does it work, new save file?

[fervent notch]

you can either select a savefile name

and/or remove that savefile when loading the game

[sour finch]

how does the savefile changing works? via config?

if I for example want to start it at savefile 2

[polar smelt]

This is peak for people who cant wait 5 seconds to click 2 buttons!!!

[fervent notch]

yes

[opaque monolith]

Can I change the color of the ship lights now or does it still not work? lol

I have no idea why ShipColors can't touch them but maybe you could just add a config to the mod for it lol

[fervent notch]

i tried to look through shipColor's code

and gave up

🤭

[sour finch]

KEKW

[solar saddle]

What's this mod do?

Just send you into the ship when you launch the game?

[solar saddle]

Oh

Uh how do I tell mrov that's already a mod

Except the save file part

[fervent notch]

which one does it

other than imperium (if you look hard enough)

[solar saddle]

It's in the development modpack

Uhh

Lemme check ig

These two mods

[fervent notch]

oh yeah ig

[solar saddle]

FastStartup by flerouwu and development startup

I mean I've always used them lol, always loads me into a lobby after pressing launch game

[royal oasis]

This is actually such an awesome idea ngl, you, mrov, will keep me much saner with this for my future testing for my modpack

[fervent notch]

hmm that i didn't know

oh well 😅

[solar saddle]

How many people don't know about this 😭

I've been gatekeeping frfr

[polar smelt]

Xu gatekeeping fr smh

[mental flame]

i tried this mod a few weeks ago
works fine but the save file n4 is not deleted when reloading the game
which makes imperium fast startup feature better in every single way
for testing/developing at least

for playing for real idk, i think GI feature is enough

[solar saddle]

did you mean to reply to me or cheese?

[fervent notch]

It is now

[mental flame]

to mrov lol

[mental flame]

ah ok, well, thats too late now i sold my soul and my body to imperium

[solar saddle]

lol

i wonder if i can make imperium compat with some stuff in dawnlib like outside hazards

[mental flame]

good idea

[deep forge]

yayy lights! <3

[opaque monolith]

Just a heads up that we had to downgrade the mod because there was no navmesh being built inside of the ship

it was only building on the railings

so enemies couldn't enter the ship

So I would stick with v1.0.5 for now

[fervent notch]

hmmm will check

[opaque monolith]

Yeah I pinged you about it in my server too lol

[opaque monolith]

Btw I would prefer the potential config option to handle the navmesh the way it is in 1.0.5, we noticed when using 1.0.7 before needing to downgrade that there is lag when landing and leaving moons with the changes done

I need to test with imperium to see what's happening though lol

Okay @fervent notch Well this is weird, with Imperium it shows the navmesh is appearing fine

Let me test if an enemy can enter

perhaps the small gaps with no navmesh here were acting gullible

nope

Idk why enemies can't enter

1.0.5 works fine but 1.0.7 does not

and there is navmesh

weird

Perhaps it's something with offmeshlinks?

Gonna double check if this is you or if it may have been a moon issue

Yeah it's you, enemies can enter fine with 1.0.5 but idk why, I do notice the navmesh looks weird with 1.0.7 though

1.0.5, it's not floating and all oddly curved which is the biggest difference I notice

Moon showcased is Asteroid-13

1.0.7

Oh god lol

Yeah uh

1.0.7 is beyond fucked

LOL

This is 1.0.5 in comparison

[fervent notch]

this is interesting lol

wait why the fuck is it red for you

should be purple

in imperium

[opaque monolith]

navmesh always appears red in Imperium for me

Maybe cus I set the ui color to Purple

lol

[fervent notch]

which visualizer are you selecting in imperium?

there should be one in the upper section "navmesh surfaces"

or something like that

[opaque monolith]

I was using navmesh surfaces

[fervent notch]

hmm weird

I'll check that today

[pliant glacier]

Uhm... I dln't want to say something wrong, but I did a test with a friend with some mods and an Eyeless dog was able to enter the ship in the latest version

[opaque monolith]

Might only be dogs

For me Shy Guy and no other enemies could enter

[solar saddle]

Navmesh is red in imperium visualizer, its why I initially thought u were custom viewing the navmesh surfaces before, because why did it have missing materials lol

[pliant glacier]

Hmm. True, I've only tested it with the Eyeless Dog

[opaque monolith]

Yeah iirc, Dogs are also the only enemy that don't bug out from the Enemy Fix setting in ShipWindows as well

where as masked and stuff can't attack players on the ship if that setting is on

Idk why Dogs are generally unaffected by issues

lmao

[fervent notch]

oh lmao

so my copy is broken 😅 😅 😅

[solar saddle]

Somehow

[valid scaffold]

Its random actually

Sometimes its red sometimes purple

No idea why

[solar saddle]

Oh weird

[karmic widget]

Yeah I've had it be purple at times lmao

Magenta, specifically

[pliant glacier]

I've just tested it with the matriarch, it still works and enters with biggership

[mystic hound]

The kidnapper tox is able to enter the ship too

[pliant glacier]

maybe is the shyguy?

[fervent notch]

isn't shyguy broken on v73?

or was it updated already

[opaque monolith]

Nah he works fine

[fervent notch]

BiggerShip 1.0.8

• fixed navmesh being parented to the ship (thanks, @solid crow!)

[sand minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/hachiware-devious-wicked-planning-evil-gif-14068343753512992147

youre so awesome mr mrov mmmwuah!

[timber marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/one-tree-hill-nathan-scott-excellent-parenting-parenting-good-parenting-gif-10843425375378612984

[opaque monolith]

Oh hell yeah glad to see it got fixed

[solid crow]

https://tenor.com/view/kittykat-ragdoll-cat-cat-with-eyes-emoji-lets-take-a-look-lets-take-a-looksie-gif-1774371662423899160

[opaque monolith]

Kenji you've been so goated lately you know this right?

Peak mod dev right here

[solid crow]

i just gave the concept and mrov worked the magic

[winter relic]

ive been floated

https://tenor.com/view/floating-cat-floating-cat-gif-26029055

[opaque monolith]

Your funny action figure is amazing btw

We were laughing at it yesterday lmao

[winter relic]

ty...

[dusty night]

what beanie action figure

[winter relic]

theres so many more voicelines that went unused

[opaque monolith]

Beanie has an Action Figure you can find on Galetry

[winter relic]

which might be good for society because people would be driven insane hearing them randomly

[dusty night]

interesting

[opaque monolith]

Lmao

[winter relic]

casually sitting on ship watching cams and you just hear a high pitched screech come from the cabinet

[opaque monolith]

lolol

[opaque monolith]

Hey @fervent notch Did you manage to solve the incompat with Land From Orbit?

[opaque monolith]

@fervent notch Just tested with Imperium, the incompat seems to be resolved

Not completely nvm

some navmesh is still busted

[fervent notch]

which one

[opaque monolith]

The navmesh that spawns in front of the door like in my screenshot of BiggerShip v1.0.5 was still in orbit with LandFromOrbit on Asteroid-13 idk if that’s your fault though since only some moons generate that and that might happen with even the vanilla ship

Cus I tested on Gordion and the navmesh that you generate all behaved just fine, so it seems more like LandFromOrbit affecting some of the navmesh that some custom moons spawn rather than it being a you problem

@woeful parcel Maybe you could test this later and double check it

[fervent notch]

I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a moon just having navmesh there

rather than me placing a new one and/or other mods interacting with/rebuilding the navmesh

[opaque monolith]

Ye

[pliant glacier]

Does this mod works with LandFromOrbit now?

[opaque monolith]

I would still not use it cus it messes with some moons

It might not break anything but better safe than sorry. I think about how Mel’s ship is much more stable without it even though it worked with LandFromOrbit so morv’s will probably be the same on those custom moons since those moons are spawning stuff that LandFromOrbit is unintentionally moving

[woeful parcel]

LandFromOrbit doesn't move anything.
it just tells the ship animator to start at ~2 frames instead of at 0

[opaque monolith]

I think it’s a side effect thing honestly

[fervent notch]

what do you mean

[opaque monolith]

iirc some moons add static navmeshes to the ship when you land on them, and Asteroid-13 for example the navmesh placed at the door is prob static. When using LandFromOrbit it probably generates it in the air rather than on the ground and it just stays there

[solar saddle]

navmesh is never attached to the ship in any moon, it's just conveniently placed where the ship would land

[fervent notch]

When using LandFromOrbit it probably generates it in the air rather than on the ground

that was only happening with BiggerShip, and only becasue it was being parented to the ship

[solid crow]

so land from orbit should be fine with the last release, right?

[fervent notch]

ummmm

🤷

should be

@solid crow i've just checked and it's alright

[solid crow]

i'll kiss you rn

[fervent notch]

🥺

[opaque monolith]

@fervent notch Lmao funny bug with the ship XD idk what happened here https://www.twitch.tv/lunxara/clip/ObedientResilientAdminKappaRoss-aP3nZEpxhxEchKn2

@hushed lagoon My POV btw lolol

[fervent notch]

wtf

[opaque monolith]

I have no idea lmao but I noticed Old Birds kinda acting strange around the ship constantly for that whole quota

That was just the funniest instance cus he was latched onto the side of the ship

[royal oasis]

wth. At least on Embrion I never noticed any strange behavior from the old birds when going on the ship or similar X3

[opaque monolith]

I'm assuming it may be this, I can't repro any of the issues I got reported to me solo or in lan

[still goblet]

Who tagged me then deleted the message

[opaque monolith]

I did cus I thought the issue might have been Ultimatum related but I can't repro the Old Bird doing what happened in that clip solo

lol

So don't think this is on you

XD

[still goblet]

ok

[opaque monolith]

Yeah I think it's some weird navmesh regen desync issue going on with Bigger Ship, for me that Old Bird was stuck attached to the side of the ship but for clients he walked in, likewise I got reported that on Crowd dogs couldn't enter the ship by a client but I tested solo and in Lan and they enter just fine

I also couldn't get the Old Bird to behave weirdly at all solo

[opaque monolith]

Is navmesh regen happening on everyone or the host only? If it's only happening on the host this might be why some things are behaving very strangely rn, I know Mel had to ensure it happens for everyone or it causes some desyncs. If it's not that I am unsure as to what might be going on

I'm unsure why none of this repros in Lan and why it's specific to Multi

[fervent notch]

there's no reason why it would happen on host only

[opaque monolith]

Just wondering

[fervent notch]

can you reliably reproduce that?

if not, then it's not my mod (until proven otherwise)

[opaque monolith]

Like I said I can't repro any of the problems solo or in Lan

[fervent notch]

I don't have any vertical surface that could generate any navmesh

[opaque monolith]

I would think the Old Bird being on the side of the ship is some weird parenting issue

Cus he was on the side right where the railing is

lol

[fervent notch]

the ship navmesh is pre-baked in the editor, placed before the landing sequence and the whole level is re-baked to attach those two navmeshes (as well as blockers under the ship)

so if the navmesh regenerated in such a way that it would produce vertical surfaces, I would be very concerned how that happened

[opaque monolith]

I have no idea wtf happened

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2608145595?t=02h32m10s but I noticed it doing it starting around here

[fervent notch]

let's call that bug "game did something insane for no apparent reason" and observe if it ever happens again 😆

[opaque monolith]

Funny asf at least

[fervent notch]

yeah 😂 😂

[fervent notch]

BiggerShip 1.0.9

• fixed the issue with The Tourist going through the ship (thanks, @steel cloak !)

[mental flame]

😊 yipppiiiieeeeeeeee

[viscid siren]

I finally started testing my modpack and got to see this big ship in action, and I like it a lot! Just two things I noticed, otherwise an awesome mod:

• When closing the ship door, the left door (when standing inside looking at the door) clips through the wall and you can see it stretching

• General Improvements has an option to move the clipboard to an alternate location, but with this ship it ends up floating. Not sure if this is more of a GI thing, but Mrov is the more active of the two devs so I will say it here

I have a feeling it will soon be hard to go back to the old ship

[solid crow]

The second point is 100% GI thing

[sand minnow]

the left door still clips??

can you send a clip?

[viscid siren]

I shall take it there then

[timber marsh]

can try use sciencebird clipboard and sticker removal instead

unless u really just wanna move it

[viscid siren]

I do want to delete it

Not a fan of that sort of thing

[timber marsh]

then theres these stuff

[viscid siren]

Only thing I have checked on there is the long tube, everything else I want to keep

I would keep the tube if you could not literally see into its open end and thus see it unrender itself

[fervent notch]

oh yeah, that's my best attempt at making animations 😅

i'll try to make it better 🤭

[sand minnow]

wait... @fervent notch didn't I send you a model where that doesn't happen?

[fervent notch]

oh the wider one

?

[sand minnow]

where the indents on the corner cover that?

[fervent notch]

i mean thicker

[fervent notch]

yeah you did

i didn't like how it looked 😔

[sand minnow]

the only change was removing the indents though?

fair enough! I just found it weird

[fervent notch]

yeah, i would need to adjust the animation to have less jank

[sand minnow]

as long as you're able to fix that in some way

[fervent notch]

but it's tediooooous

[sand minnow]

that's what the model was for silly! to remove the tedium

[fervent notch]

but it looked worseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[sand minnow]

I'm gonna give you kidney stones

[fervent notch]

please no

[sand minnow]

fair enough!!! but also I totally disagree!! wah!!

about the door not the kidney stones

I will not give you kidney stones

[mystic hound]

To me, the Old Bird was to the side, while for the others he was inside the ship.

no errors

[opaque monolith]

I had this happen once too, from what I can tell it's when the game spawns the wrong prefab for the Old Birds

Due to an interior or moon mod

lol

[fervent notch]

lol

[karmic widget]

The mischievous reference to Old Birds in custom Appies:

[opaque monolith]

@fervent notch So I realized today upon having the Old Bird funny happen again is that when they're on the side of the ship it also only happens in the area where the wider suit rack is at, so I wonder if smth funny is going on where they somehow parent onto it on the host end and for clients they see them in the ship cus of that. My only other guess would be that they somehow are getting parented to the magnet lmao

Could be worth looking into

[fervent notch]

that would be weird, I'll check

[opaque monolith]

Yeah I only noticed it cus I unhid it and I was like “Wait this aligns with where the old birds did the funny” lolol

[viscid siren]

I am finally having my modpack be playtested, which includes this mod! The big ship functions quite well, though what I have done to the moons is testing its limits. I have outdoor Barbers on a lot of my high-tier moons, and they can clip themselves into the ship and kill unsuspecting players. They can either go under the ship and rise up through the floor, or with several jumps can force themselves through the door while it is closed. I know this is a non-vanilla scenario, but if the ship’s hitboxes could be tweaked to prevent this it would be much appreciated!

[fervent notch]

oh that should never happen 😭

i'll test it when i have the chance, thanks for the find!

[viscid siren]

Cool beans

[fervent notch]

every day we stray further from god

[solid crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1369091226392985600/answertogod.gif

[mystic hound]

That's why this happened?

[fervent notch]

yes

it's fixed now (HOPEFULLY)

[fervent notch]

it's not parenting players to the ship

wonderful

[opaque monolith]

Oof

[steel cloak]

Who needs that anyways

[opaque monolith]

Lmk if you get another test build going with that fixed, I also saw you were playing earlier so maybe you had people help you test it ^^

[opaque monolith]

I immediately noticed the lighting is different, and then I see you added a light in the middle neat

[fervent notch]

it's always been there 😳

[opaque monolith]

Oh then smth with the lighting is diff then

lol

[fervent notch]

i had to play with the lighting a little bit cause i can't recover an older version

very fun

[opaque monolith]

Fair

[fervent notch]

so the lights will be different, but i tried to keep it as close as possible to the latest version

[opaque monolith]

Btw I am sorry to inform you that this is still a thing

XD

[fervent notch]

give me a second

oh i need to fix the model itself for that

those small parts have a different material assigned

fun!

should be good now

nice

[opaque monolith]

@fervent notch I did not repro the Old Bird problem

Also started a war on Embrion

LMAO

[fervent notch]

OH MY GOD

[opaque monolith]

I do think you fixed the ship lol, so you should be good to push it live with this fix now applied

[fervent notch]

BiggerShip 1.0.11

• fixed an issue with navmesh being placed vertically
• fixed an issue with some ship materials being applied incorrectly
• fixed an issue with ship lightning being adjusted incorrectly

[sour finch]

[viscid siren]

Coop beans

Should this also fix my issue with Barbers?

[winter relic]

who called me

[fervent notch]

i've slightly changed the sizes of navmeshblockers, so i believe that's gonna be fixed

the brighter region are the blockers

if you find anything wrong, let me know 😅

[opaque monolith]

If you're talking about them coming into the ship even when the doors are closed that is not specific to Bigger Ship

it happens with Vanilla and Mel's as well

[fervent notch]

yeah, after some testing it's still possible

his scissors hitbox is just bigger than the walls width

but - surprisingly - i could reproduce it only in that corner

[sand minnow]

Yummy

thank you mr ov

[fervent notch]

no worries dr minecraft

[opaque monolith]

Some screenshots from The War

I had so damn many spawned lmao

[uneven hamlet]

Wtf why is it so cinematic lmao

[sand minnow]

this is what lethal company looks like st1nkboy

[uneven hamlet]

WAT

[opaque monolith]

Embrion with a shit ton of them spawned just looks Cinematic as fuck lmao, the moon already spawns a bunch of them but for some reason when you add even more it gets Cinematic as hell 😂

[viscid siren]

There seems to be an issue where the rain from Stormy weather goes through the ship’s roof

I believe that should be fixed

[mystic hound]

Its working here

The only rain that goes through the ship for me its from hurricane weather from Wesley mod

[fervent notch]

could you send me your modpack code? It's not happening on my end 🥲

[viscid siren]

I think I might have jumped the gun, the issue has not happened again. If it turns out to have not been a freak occurrence, I’ll send my code

[opaque monolith]

More likely was an issue with whatever moon you were on

Usually that kinda issue is Reverb Trigger related

[solid crow]

particle collisions has nothing to do with reverb triggers tho..........

[fervent notch]

Alrighty, keep me posted 😇

[karmic widget]

Sorta

ReverbTriggers on the ship do disable weather

Same for the ones when you go into facility

Otherwise you see weather inside

ParticleSystems do have the collision module stuff but vanilla rain doesn't use it

[fervent notch]

do they? (apart from dust clouds)

cause that's the one I remember giving me pain to work with

[karmic widget]

I guess not disableAllWeather, but ShipDoorClosed/Open in the ship scene have this toggled off

I duno if it actually disables weather though lmao

Reverb triggers are mysterious

[valid scaffold]

There is also in front of the ship one

[karmic widget]

I mean ye but that one can vary in configuration depending on moon

[valid scaffold]

Like in front of the door

Part of the ship, not part of moon

[karmic widget]

Oh wait forgor ship scene does have one at the door

Ye

[fervent notch]

if you run Registry with debugging logs enabled I have a sneaky patch that logs what the triggers want

[surreal halo]

hey the mod gets players stuck on loading somehow, i don't know if it's an error corrolated to an other mod or just the mod itself is broken

[fervent notch]

did you get any errors during loading?

[surreal halo]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-monkey-think-monkey-meme-ponder-monkey-idea-gif-6401133862108294696

i don't remember, only used it few times and don't have logs, so i might need to try it again

[fervent notch]

alrighty

let me know if something breaks

[surreal halo]

y'know what's the best part about it

it's 2pm, so no one is off of work and i have to wait for someone to willingly help me test it because i'm 100% sure it's a problem in multiplayer when there's a client

[sand minnow]

you could lan test! right?

[fervent notch]

depends if the pc is strong enough and/or if you need multiple steps to reproduce it

[sand minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/annoying-orange-true-true-discord-gif-23799619

[surreal halo]

could, but on the modpack i'm using it would ask for an IP to join lan and i'm too lazy to try that

time dr @fervent notch? is it really that time again?

[surreal halo]

here's another log rn, it appears to only happen on certain moons, such as Aquatis

wrong file

[mystic hound]

why biggership is without stairs? any mod conflict?

[fervent notch]

stairs?

[mystic hound]

ladders

sorry

[solid crow]

it has ladders afaik

[fervent notch]

it has ladders

unless you mean in orbits (with mods that allow you go there)

that's just how vanilla handles it

[mystic hound]

not in orbit

019b393b-7d7a-7e62-0cb9-97d4150dbcb4

[mystic hound]

For some reason if I revert to the lethallevelloaderupdate v1.5.6 this won't happen.

[mystic hound]

Not even the default ship is working

probably its a lethalevelloader issue

[solid crow]

@karmic widget my beloved come here

[mystic hound]

its an incompatibility between dawnlib and lll its going to be fixed in the next update

[solid crow]

i see

[fervent notch]

BiggerShip 1.0.12

• fixed an issue when level navmesh objects being named differently caused dungeon generation to fail (thanks, @wet thorn !)
• fixed an issue with suit rack causing softlock after being ejected

[gusty tundra]

@fervent notch discovered an issue if you use the remove pillars option.

When removing them if you walk into that extra inch of space right against the wall you get bugged and considered off the ship so then the monitors stop working and cant interact with them unless you leave the ship and re enter. I believe Fumo ran into that same issue long time ago and I think he just needed to extend the ships boundary a little more. It was the same scenario.

[fervent notch]

i will check my setup, thanks for the info!

[gusty tundra]

Np. Never saw it happen with the pillars. Its gotta be like a difference of an inch or something. So crazy. I also had it trigger on the since opposite of the Door Panel. I never tested the door panel wall though.

[opaque monolith]

Forwarding this here since it's the proper thread

[gusty tundra]

The short version @fervent notch is when getting fired your ship is skipping something during the ejecting phase so mods like LGU can't properly reset on getting fired.

[karmic widget]

This ship is larger; a BiggerShip, if you will

[gusty tundra]

I want a Pacoito Ship next!

[karmic widget]

Non-Euclidean

Regular ship on the outside, wider + 3-story inside

[gusty tundra]

When landing or taking off a door opens up on the floor dropping players out lol

[sterile sedge]

life-sized terminal where players have to drop enough lb's of weight worth of items on keys to press them

[winter relic]

lowkey would go hard

[winter relic]

jumping on each key to type would be hilarious

[sterile sedge]

1 typo

gotta jump everywhere again

itd be so fun!

[mental flame]

Would you be able to make a space station attached to the ship while in orbit to have more space in orbit but still having the classic ship when landing on a moon?

[polar smelt]

omg that sounds cool ngl

[karmic widget]

Furniture placements will be goofed though

[mental flame]

Nobody cares about furnitures in this station, we only want more space to have fun while in orbit (so things like jump challenges, or even rest areas with sofas is enough)

[polar smelt]

omg that would be peak

[mental flame]

Maybe a big TV projector?

Hard spawned Boombox (cant' grab) to relax on the sofa

[polar smelt]

a lil bar

[mental flame]

Yeah

[fervent notch]

oh I thought I fixed that already

will check what's going on, thanks

[opaque monolith]

You also gotta figure out why enemy pathing is a bit weird on some moons like MorvDonalds, cus I tested and enemies work fine on there with the Vanilla Ship XD

Also gives you an excuse to fix the weird behavior going on when the pillars are disabled too

[fervent notch]

I'm rebuilding the navmesh when landing

if that's causing issues then I don't really consider it my fault

[opaque monolith]

The option to blacklist moons like you can with Mel's Ship might be useful for moons where things become fucky since it's not too many, would be great for Gratar too cus Gratar loads in extremely rough with the ship mods lol

[fervent notch]

then the ship navmesh won't work at all

[opaque monolith]

Is that because of how you handle it?

[fervent notch]

it has to be done this way

i'm removing old ship navmesh, adding mine and then rebuilding so level's navmesh and ship's navmesh can join

[opaque monolith]

Ah

[gusty tundra]

Awesome! It was driving me crazy lol I was running other tests on stuff when I decided to test if it was the ship.

[mystic hound]

The pillars problem is that the two boxes from near the ship's door was moved to where the pillars are for some reason

Maybe because the biggership is larger and the boxes can't cover the entire ship

[fervent notch]

which boxes?

[mystic hound]

They are invisible near where the triggers to outside and inside are.

[fervent notch]

oh those two

i've resized them already for the initial release, but i'll see what happens with the pillars

[mystic hound]

Those ones that look like planks

[fervent notch]

oh hmmm

[fervent notch]

this one?

[gusty tundra]

Opposite side from that is a spot that breaks the monitors for the player as they are considered outside the ship and they have to re enter the ship to fix it.

Well better wording would be across from that spot on the other wall

[fervent notch]

okay i understand the issue

will fix

!

[viscid siren]

So uh, my friends found some OCD-triggering stuff with the vanilla ship that are carried over to this, it would be epic if you could fix them:

• the cylindrical generator thing next to the ship door has half its bolts inverted, making you see through them
• the player helmet on the front desk is a slightly different model than the one on the actual player model
• props on the front desk like the batteries are actually slightly floating
• the support pillar next to the charger port is different from the others: its bottom is curved inward instead of being straight

They also found one issue unique to Bigger Ship:

• If you move the light switch to be inside one of the alarm lights (the ones from getting fired) it becomes unreachable

[fervent notch]

i can not unsee it now oh no

i'll see what i'm able to do, thanks for the report!

[viscid siren]

Good way to encourage you to fix them

[mystic hound]

If you could add a little more navmesh for the left corner from the radar map. It looks like entities still think you are outside, like Vanilla Ship.

[fervent notch]

the navmesh generates automatically based on object sizes I'm afraid

I can't really add less border

[mystic hound]

Ah

Thx for explain

[empty spear]

I put the fridge there and permanently locked it in place using Furniture Lock

it's not a real solution but it does the job for us

[fervent notch]

for the entities: if you stand in the corner your hitbox partially extends outside the ship

the only fix I can think of it making that part of the ship thicker

[pliant glacier]

Sup mrov!
I'm not 100% sure if you're still working on this, but I'd like to know if it is possible to remove the patch for the light switch forced position when starting a save :,]

[opaque monolith]

just set up a location for it with furniture lock it will override it

[pliant glacier]

it doesn't :,]

[opaque monolith]

Set it to locked?

[pliant glacier]

or at least it didn't the last time I've checked

[opaque monolith]

It works for me

[pliant glacier]

yup

let me check

[opaque monolith]

🤔

[pliant glacier]

thanks

[mystic hound]

only if its locked for some reason

[fervent notch]

another day where I can do nothing 😎

[viscid siren]

Did you ever look into this?

[fervent notch]

I haven't worked on anything lethal-related for the last 1.5 months 💀

but whenever i come back I'll see what's up with that

[sour finch]

We call it "a vacation"

[opaque monolith]

@fervent notch When playing on V80 I think I figured out what was causing that patch on eject to act weird compared to the Vanilla ship, it seems to be smth with the TooManySuits patch I think cus we played with TooManySuits and then didn't run into the issue where Suit Saver didn't work and such, no idea why but I'm guessing it's linked to that

[fervent notch]

oh fuck did i not fix it yet?

lmaooooo

i'll check

[pliant glacier]

Dies in not symmetrical (Right/Left) corner of the ship

[fervent notch]

OH NO

[uneven hamlet]

you disguist me

https://klipy.com/gifs/pokemon-channel-pikachu

[timber marsh]

mrov didnt QC the ship

[fervent notch]

tbh i was doing this by hand

[hazy ferry]

this entire time I thought you doing it by foot

[fervent notch]

couldn't figure out my blender workflow with pedals, sorry 😔

[viscid siren]

Imagine this is their actual setup and not just for a bit

[rough parrot]

absolutely unplayable

[fervent notch]

😓

[pliant glacier]

btw, ShipWindows got updated :]
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TestAccount666/ShipWindows/

[sour finch]

My perfectionism just withered away after seeing this

[solid patio]

https://tenor.com/view/panty-and-stocking-stocking-anarchy-little-thing-toy-jumping-gif-2784041606760410556

[solid patio]

Its the Pillager Outpost all over again

[pliant glacier]

I know a certain "Vegeta" with a number "777" that would kill this cuz of that

[polar smelt]

hi i know that guy

[mystic hound]

Is Biggership working?

[pliant glacier]

Yes

[mystic hound]

biggership in the landing animation

[dusty night]

Motion blur is messed up with a lot of modded stuff

Theres probably some tag that needs to be applied to exclude from motion blur or something

[opaque monolith]

It happens with the Vanilla ship as well iirc

Unless the recent change Zeekerss did fixed it for the Vanilla one

[solid patio]

I just don’t have it on at all

unless of course your fear effect is happening

cuz for some reason its gotta stay on for that

but its not a nuisance

it makes sense actually

[opaque monolith]

I did confirm the motion blur issue doesn't happen with the Vanilla Ship

[mystic hound]

[fervent notch]

oh no 🥺

[opaque monolith]

Apparently this might be an issue with the ship getting reparented as if it is a furniture, so think mods like Science Bird Tweaks or DawnLib that fix ship parenting lol

Kinda funny

[fervent notch]

but

it's not reparented

since it is the parent

oh i think I see what you mean

[solar saddle]

It's not

[fervent notch]

it's really weird because the ship is doign that, but not the furniture

lol

[fervent notch]

i have an idea how to fix it

[opaque monolith]

I’ve seen some furnitures do it too, pocket rooms and things like the Switchboard from Lethal Phones it do be interesting

[fervent notch]

i found a solution

but i'll try to see if there's less hacky one

[opaque monolith]

Neat

[mystic hound]

Just to remember about the motion blur problem

[fervent notch]

sorry, haven't had much time recently between my two jobs to work on lethal mods 😭

I'll get it fixed when I'll have some time to work on it

[pliant glacier]

dw, thanks for the news :]

[mystic hound]

I noticed that the biggership doesn't have the generator tube.

[opaque monolith]

Prolly intentional

Never understood why the generator or the tube actually exist lol

[fervent notch]

yeah, I've removed it because it looked really weird just ending in the middle