(canceled) Notezy's Moons

[heady girder]

Canceled: Unable to come up with designs for moons.

[glossy cave]

second!

[somber lodge]

well I tested it and

gimmick didnt seem to work

portal just made a sound and nothing changed

[heady girder]

Odd, are you playing with other mods or just Parllax and it's deps?

[somber lodge]

basic performance mods

just my test pack

[heady girder]

Could you provide a mod pack code

[somber lodge]

01988cb1-2d43-b519-7697-b1ba307b9932

[somber lodge]

wait

looks like for some reason

L lib's dependancies didnt turn on

when enabling l lib

[glossy cave]

😮

[somber lodge]

tf lol

maybe gale had a stroke

ok yeah no still did not work

[near sequoia]

fourth

[heady girder]

It works when I tested it with the pack

odd

[lost dawn]

i exist here now

[flint thunder]

Split between realities

[flint thunder]

is it supposed to be free?

[flint thunder]

I dont think the map likes nvidia

Does anyone here have nividia?

also this is the logs, nivida showed up saying something then the game crashed, this is the first time nivida said anything

At the same time my mod pack is bloated so thats likely the issue ill see to test stuff

[lost dawn]

idk HOW you managed to do this gimmick with only LethalLib, but you did it.
enjoy this less than normal sprite of your moon

[heady girder]

Yep, Might change that later on

[flint thunder]

It may be a Big mod pack plus nividia

[glossy cave]

its really laggy for me

i mean

playable

but laggy

[heady girder]

Actually, I technically did it without LethalLib because the moon's code doesn't even reference LethalLib's assembly. I just put it as a dep as a precaution.

[heady girder]

Like laggy the entire time on the moon or just laggy when loading?

[glossy cave]

entire moon

outside and inside

probably the camera effects?

[heady girder]

Could be

The moon uses a few Post Processing effects for the dimensional effects, but not too many more than an normal LC moon.

Are there any log spams?

[glossy cave]

didn't check

potato is screensharing...well... WAS screensharing

got a lagspike

now he dissapeared

[heady girder]

I have Nvida Overlay and it hasn't caused game crashes

[heady girder]

Especially nothing like this

[flint thunder]

Shit then

XD

Just my luck then

Im glad tho

knowing its just me

[heady girder]

Although I have gotten a whole several second freezes when the game saves after getting off the moon. But it most likely has something to do with my mod pack because I don't get freezes like that when testing in smaller packs.

[flint thunder]

I have in my 108 mod pack had freezes that last for a while

[glossy cave]

me too with a clean profile

[flint thunder]

retested in my test mod pack with Very little mods being only 22 mods i got no freezes until once in which my game crashed

My PC is 2 years old and given im the only one who has crashed i think its my PC nividia tag teaming me

[glossy cave]

my game is also getting big lagspikes

but didn't crash

[heady girder]

This is really strange because the moon itself is relatively basic.
I didn't really think the dimension mechanic could cause performance issues.

Could you provide a modpack code cheese?

[glossy cave]

01988d99-f4c6-2210-bb4d-05f6020c5100

XD

its just the moon

nothing else

i mean, i did update the dependencies

[heady girder]

Forgot to update the LethalLib Dep to 1.1.1

[glossy cave]

could just be bad pc tbh

[heady girder]

My PC has constant strokes yet the game runs fine with just the moon and it's deps.
I wonder if the rift shaders could cause performance issues on lower-end devices

[glossy cave]

shaders love to mess with performance

[heady girder]

The only complex the rift *materials does is use reflections

[heady girder]

(Parallax) V0.1.1

• Tweaked Mod page
• Added culling to rift model distortion effect
• Tweaked rift material
• Tweaked Moon Fog

[tropic oak]

you dont need to do this

anyways

insane gimmick

i love it so much

interesting interior spawn weight string
Blob:32,Bunker Spider:56,Butler:15,Centipede:49,Clay Surgeon:28,Crawler:48,Flowerman:45,Girl:1,Hoarding bug:54,Jester:59,Maneater:38,Masked:15,Nutcracker:40,Puffer:29,Red pill:50,Spring:38

[heady girder]

I used the average spawn weight of every vanilla moon to get the spawn weights, Aside from the Girl, Masked, Red Pill, and Butler.

[tropic oak]

red pill joke entry is cool

i wish more devs did stuff like that

i did a silly thing for one of my mod packs

the joke is the daytime power is 1 so it cant even spawn

[flint thunder]

Wait would the water wraith just be wheels then given he does not even exist in the main dimension?

You see the wheels drop from the sky but then nothing else falls

XD

[heady girder]

lol

[flint thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-pikmin-2-pikmin-4-water-wraith-walter-white-gif-15000043411413006956

[tropic oak]

mineshaft is awesome on this moon 🔥

[heady girder]

Yeah, I recommend bringing a flashlight to the dimensions since it can be hard to see at times in the red/blue dimensions.

[tropic oak]

im too good for flashlights

flashlights physically stop working around me

[heady girder]

The next Notezy Moon will be more internally complex than it is mechanically complex

[heady girder]

Okay, Both LethalLevelLoader and the Game does NOT Like it when you try to use multiple Dungeon Generators.

[tropic oak]

yeah

sounds about right

[heady girder]

I got multiple dungeons(interiors) to work but it is very unstable

The strangest part is that the game is crashing after the extra dungeons have been generated

[tropic oak]

you are doing frankensteins experiments

[heady girder]

yep

[heady girder]

Still unstable but in a playable state

[lost dawn]

dude... how???

like i applaud you and your ambitions, but

how??????????

[glossy cave]

I remember not long ago people were saying this was impossible

The cook is getting out of hand

🔥 🔥 🔥

[granite shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/madaramebaku01-its-peam-it's-peak-it's-peam-its-peak-gif-17862808524897297383

[trim lagoon]

WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/head-turn-cat-bingus-slow-gif-22009132

[heady girder]

I gained a lot of knowledge about LC while working on LethalMin.
While I still don’t know everything, I know enough to do things like this.

I’m calling Interiors “Dungeons” because LC uses DunGen for interior generation
-# and because I can spell “dungeon” better than “interior.”

I added multiple dungeon generators to the scene and disabled all but one so LC doesn’t accidentally use a random generator.
I do this so LC first generates the “Main” Dungeon, then has the moon generate its “Extra” Dungeons afterward.

I placed the dungeon roots 200 meters apart on the X and Z axis to reduce the chance of them intersecting.

I also added multiple main entrances to the scene, again disabling all but one to prevent LC from generating fire exits in the main dungeon.

I use what I call “Moon Patches”—patches that only run when on the moon, to prevent modded code from running on other moons.
This way, I can modify how dungeons are generated on the custom moon without potentially breaking them on other moons.
I also use what I call a “Moon Controller,” which allows me to easily run network and other code only on the moon.

Since LC dungeons are large, I made it so every dungeon generator reduces the interior size.
This gives players a reason to visit different interiors, speeds up dungeon generation, and reduces the chances of them intersecting.
Setting the interior size multiplier to anything below 0.9 will crash the game, so I had to modify the dungeon generators to temporarily shrink the dungeon flows before generating.

The extra dungeons are generated after LC generates the main one, using the Moon Controller.
It does this in a way that prevents LC from starting the game before the extra dungeons finish generating and spawning all the scrap in the main dungeon.

Issues arise with LethalLevelLoader (LLL), as it expects there to be only one dungeon.
It runs modded code every time any dungeon generator generates a dungeon—code that only affects the main dungeon, not the extras.
I solved this by modifying the modded code so it doesn’t run when extra dungeons are generating.

After all the dungeons have generated, the Moon Controller reactivates all the extra mains and reassigns the entrance IDs.
Because LC inherently treats any entrance with an ID other than 0 as a fire exit, all the extra mains are technically fire exits in the game’s logic.

This shouldn’t interfere with any AI that uses exits, as long as they’re smart enough to use the “fire exits” when in the extra dungeons.

A major issue I haven’t solved yet is the game mysteriously crashing sometimes after generating the extra dungeons.

[tropic oak]

you might wanna do it more cause of modded interiors

in particular wesleys are huge

[lost dawn]

more notably, Grand Armory and Rubber Rooms

[heady girder]

and Vehicle Hangar

[tropic oak]

oh my god i didnt even consider rubber rooms

the void area is gonna be fucked 😭

[glossy cave]

Diversity

[lost dawn]

also some entities that have rooms attached to them

SCP-106

and yea, Diversity

[heady girder]

Yeah, I should space the interiors a bit more. But I have no idea what to do with custom enemies that have rooms attached to them.
I could add special compat for enemies like 106 or just hope that they don't pick a room that in a different dungeon.

Yep there is intersect with rubber rooms

I wonder if I could reduce crashes by instead of having multiple dungeon generators, have just one dungeon generator generate all of dungeons.
Edit: (Not possible as far as I can tell, as it seems the dungeon generator auto clears it's last dugeon even when switching roots)

[zenith apex]

oh my god this is AMAZING

ive had a similar idea written down, where the interiors would have two different entrances with both connecting together

seeing that proves to me that such thing is possible

the downside is that i can't code for shit lmfao

[heady girder]

I 100% Forgot to Enable "Draw Instanced" On the moon's terrain. I wonder if that was causing most of the crashes and not the multiple dungeons.

Anyways heres WIP of the moon's surface.

[trim lagoon]

minecraft

[granite shadow]

maybeh

[trim lagoon]

it looks like those realities where they open old storages with old crap inside

how much scrap will be behind door number one.......

[heady girder]

This is just a pretty placeholder to test the moon's Gameplay. It's supposed to be a village but it looks more like a Minecraft village

or what Kenji said

[trim lagoon]

YEAH!!!

THAT

lmao

a moon themed on an old storage facility...

and each door is it's own mini dungeon

woah..............

[zenith apex]

dude, fuck yes.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1044813706405617735/1401391942532599888/ypp6evq7mogf1.gif

[heady girder]

The moon is supposed to be a village, but I think I like the storage complex a little more since it's more unique.

[trim lagoon]

you can put the numbers on top of each and it would blow minds

and maybe have it as a dungen of 1 or less so they're tiny

[zenith apex]

wait do interiors support going below 1?

i remember some breaking when that happens

[trim lagoon]

i'm not really sure lmao

i think if you put something less than x only the entrance tile spawns

i might test it someday

[trim lagoon]

that's siiiiiiiickkkk

i wonder if it'll work with cullfactory so the performance is better

[heady girder]

I'm gonna test that

[heady girder]

I actually don't know if it's working or not. No errors or crashes so I it doesn't break anything at least

Now I'm 99.9% sure that me forgetting to turn on draw instanced was causing the game to crash and not the multiple dungeons.
Because the game was crashing after the dungeons generated and seemingly randomly.

It took me way to long to realize this :)

[trim lagoon]

better late than never!

[flint thunder]

Cull factory is probably a needed thing for this idk

i just read Up XD

[heady girder]

Looking at a direct comparison cull factor actually does speed up loading times

[trim lagoon]

that's very noticeable wow

maybe have it as a soft dependency

[obsidian gate]

The blue has spread

[obsidian gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192948703309344859/1402460480039026728/bluedropped1.gif

[glossy cave]

The blue trials

[lost dawn]

now for the next phase. Loadstone

[tropic oak]

https://tenor.com/view/3fs-granny-granny-gauntlet-3fs-granny-frickfrackfruitsnack-gif-14553710892826100668

[heady girder]

I'm not exactly sure what I should set the scrap range to, since I want the scrap to be spread relatively evenly between dungeons

[zenith apex]

how many interiors are there?

[heady girder]

9

[zenith apex]

i think that should be good?

[trim lagoon]

hmmmm you may want to test it, because if the interiors are relatively small maybe that's too much

[trim lagoon]

that seems nice yeah

[heady girder]

Buildings will change depending on their interior

[zenith apex]

i think you should test with modded interiors aswell

[heady girder]

The labels on the buildings won't be in the final version so they aren't actually set, they are just apart of the building model

But I have added some modded interiors to change the building to match them

[tropic oak]

you must add compatibility for legmr moon interiors 🙏

[lost dawn]

lol

[heady girder]

The backend work is pretty much done, now I just have to do the moon's terrain and stuff.
-# the hardest part for me ironically

[tropic oak]

you should have it be a conglamoration of all the terrain types in vanilla

[lost dawn]

a dash of desert, a fix of forest, a smidge of snow, ALL THE AMETHYST an addition of amethyst

amethyst for the ground of the lot the buildings all share.
desert for the ground surrounding the lot and buildings.
forest trees growing from the desert ground.
tundra snowstorm all around.

[heady girder]

Modeled the various buildings

[heady girder]

I wish I had the skills to pull that off but this is only the second moon I've made and I'm bearly getting the hang of the turrain tools

[glossy cave]

That ending tho

[trim lagoon]

the terrain with the default walking sounds

walking on plastic

[flint thunder]

THIS IS PEAK THO

[heady girder]

omg I did not realize that somehow, thanks for bringing that up

[pliant jungle]

hope the multiple dungeons thing become a library at some point. 🔥

[tropic oak]

suppose i should mention default footstep is also on the building on parallax

you should also probably mention in the info about parallel dimensions you cant use fire exits unless youre in a specific dimension

[tropic oak]

this includes the ramps up to it

[zenith apex]

oh my god the POTENTIAL

[pliant jungle]

true

[zenith apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879180430920781884/1316447220538675322/twitter_1854430740039295278.gif

[pliant jungle]

a good idea would be a moon in a desert or any other setting, where you drive between smaller bunkers spread across a large map.

[tropic oak]

"please no more cruiser based moons i want to be able to play a moon without being required to drive on it and having people who cant drive the cruiser being unable to play"
VS
"cruiser needs to not be op for this moon, so ill just make the moon unable to be played without it"

[pliant jungle]

would still be a funny concept

[tropic oak]

hooray

[heady girder]

It was in the guide section, did you not see it?

[tropic oak]

oh i dont think its in game

[heady girder]

oh that's what you ment

[tropic oak]

ok im stupid

https://tenor.com/view/fgteev-locked-in-locked-in-alien-alien-geeked-gif-3347308402896091423

[heady girder]

PARALLAX

V0.1.2

• Tweaked Mod page
• Fixed Surface Footsteps
• Tweaked Info Notifs

V0.1.3

• Removed LethalLib Dep
• Added Error Handeling for spawning rifts

[heady girder]

Conflux is out

[trim lagoon]

insane concept

[lost dawn]

im cautious, but optimistic

[flint thunder]

Whats the problem with it and cull factory?

as i have cull factory

[lost dawn]

https://i.gyazo.com/d1eff753eff9727aa607518fa274ddd3.png

[flint thunder]

I KNOW but what are the problems?

[lost dawn]

"aren't" + "incompatible" = double negative

double negative = positive

theyre saying they should work fine

[flint thunder]

Oh i miss read im dumb

[lost dawn]

eh

[flint thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-deltarune-dumpster-hide-leave-gif-17992395306937808234

[zenith apex]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-doors-gif-26620376

[graceful ridge]

eyes is not that serious

[zenith apex]

yet it wiped the whole lobby

[lost dawn]

appears only the very last facility can be nonvanilla.
that intentional?

goin off of the wording, im guessing so

seems to work alright. here's a little somethin somethin for yer hard work

[heady girder]

It's not intentional, it's (supposed to be) purely RNG

[lost dawn]

hmm

well

best guinea pigs for making sure nonvanilla can go into the other doors are unreal interiors and ut99 interiors

[heady girder]

The extra dungeons take from the "dungeonFlowTypes" List of the level. So it could be that LLL isn't even editing this list when adding custom dungeons to moons and is doing it another way, making it impossible for the extra dungeon generators to use the custom dungeons.

(expect for Storage Complex and Liminal House because I forced those dungeons into the dungeonFlowTypes list)

[warm escarp]

genuinely super inspiring to see this, its super cool :3

[zenith apex]

adding it tomorrow

too tire

d

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-doors-gif-26620376

[tropic oak]

@heady girder theres an incompatibility with something in my mod pack for conflux
im not actually going to have conflux be in it, i just found out cause i installed it onto there to look at it instead of a profile more suited for exploring new modded content

it just stops generating anything after seed 1 pops up

[haughty stratus]

@lean thorn

ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: key
  at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].FindEntry (TKey key) [0x00008] in <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0008 
  at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].TryGetValue (TKey key, TValue& value) [0x00000] in <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0000 
  at ScienceBirdTweaks.ModPatches.InteriorPatches.OnGeneration (DunGen.DungeonGenerator __instance) [0x00013] in ./ModPatches/LLLPatches.cs:109 
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) DunGen.DungeonGenerator.DMD<DunGen.DungeonGenerator::Generate>(DunGen.DungeonGenerator)
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) DunGen.RuntimeDungeon.DMD<DunGen.RuntimeDungeon::Generate>(DunGen.RuntimeDungeon)
  at ConfluxMod.ConfluxMoonController+<GenerateNextDungeon>d__22.MoveNext () [0x0055d] in ./Scripts/ConfluxMoonController.cs:193 
  at UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) [0x00026] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026

[lean thorn]

weird looking incompatibility, I'll just blacklist it from my interior stuff in a hotfix for now

[tropic oak]

i mean
probably something to do with the 9 separate interiors that generate

just a guess

[heady girder]

The error is coming from this line of code

the reason it's throwing an error is because when the mod shrinks dungeon flows, It temporarily copies them to prevent altering the actual flow. When It does this, it doesn't copy over the extended flow. So any mod that tries to get an extended flow from an extra dungeon while it's generating, will get nothing. This has caused issues with LLL, but I just patched out those methods out because they we're causing other issues so I didn't think I'd have to copy over the extended flow.

and even if it did, it wouldn't matter much as the patch is ran every time an extra dungeon generated. So this would add additional scrap 8 times

[flint thunder]

Dont know if this is helpful info but despite the main building being the only one that can generate a modded interior some interiors can generate in the other ones

[heady girder]

scroll up

[flint thunder]

Gotcha XD

[flint thunder]

The ship fire exit causes a duplicate entrance so dont use that

[heady girder]

Didn't think about that, it seems like that will trick the moon into thinking the ship fire exit is a building and causes it to generate a dungeon for the ship and not spawn one of the buildings.

[flint thunder]

The fire exit had issues anyways like if it was stormy going thru it would make the inside stormy

[heady girder]

I want to make one more moon, but I'm not sure what gimmick to add to it
anyone got any ideas on how I could test LC's limits?

[glossy cave]

a combination of two

of the two moons

the portals send you to a different interior

[warm escarp]

ive mentioned it in #modding-general, id love to see a moon/interior that just generates random chunks of other interiors, walking through the mansion and suddenly youre in castellum carnis, but i imagine that would be next to if not entirely impossible

[heady girder]

It could be possible, but I would need to know more about dungeon flows.

[lost dawn]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1241106639981903933 old thread i made with moon concepts. probably nothing to test LC limits, but here it is anyway

[granite shadow]

Day and night cycle

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210465879880638484/1402325673862893720/convert.gif

[heady girder]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/luakite/Zeranos_Moon/

[granite shadow]

shhh.... there can be two

[tropic oak]

@heady girder a moon where you land on the interior and the exterior is where the scrap spawns

[heady girder]

I like that idea

maybe a moon that doesn't have an interior and the moon iteself is randomly generated

[tropic oak]

well if you just land there then its kind of not as interesting

i mean that idea is

but landing at the interior would be fitting for the vibes youre going for

[heady girder]

misread

[heady girder]

Oh yeah I was thinking about doing somthing like this

but I think that wouldn't work with most interiors

no way the ship is fittin in the mines

[tropic oak]

maybe you can do like, a simulation of it
like its also random which main entrance you land at

basically a moon that doesnt generate a real interior but simulates a backwards style thing

[heady girder]

I could combine these Ideas, so I need to
A: Figure out how to replace the main entrance with an opening for the ship to land in
and B: Figure out how to generate terrains

Basically swapping the roles of the interiors and surface, you would need to go outside to collect scrap

[graceful ridge]

that wouldn't be possible, most interiors have unique doorway types which cannot go together

[tropic oak]

you could do something similar to what the tranquility dev was doing when they were around

not that they did it particularly in a way that looks "natural"

but they made tranquility manor have a tile that connects to factory tiles

alternatively you can write it off as a broken reality, and therefore you dont need to worry about shapes connecting together in a way that makes sense

[tropic oak]

it was a retextured manor staircase btw

[graceful ridge]

you'd have to make a custom transition tile for every possible interior

[graceful ridge]

i think dungen wouldn't let you connect tiles with different doorways

[tropic oak]

then connect them using hallways

have no doorways even

not like it would be the first interior to be like that

[graceful ridge]

if you make an interior without doorways then only the main entrance generates

[tropic oak]

atlantean citadel?
greenhouse?

[zenith apex]

make an interior where they are connected together with different entrances..

[heady girder]

Could you clarify on that

[zenith apex]

like

hold on let me draw that

like this, the interior generates normally, but with multiple main entrances

some parts could converge together in the middle

if it was an api, you could choose the amount of main entrances the interior could generate

pretty similar to your new moon, but with a single interior

oh yeah the red lines are fire exits

[heady girder]

So multiple starting rooms for each main?

[zenith apex]

pretty much?

[graceful ridge]

those have doorways. doorways are what connect tiles, they don't have to LITERALLY be doorways

[tropic oak]

oh

[grim plover]

I found out that Sell bodies fixed mod doesn't work in this moon. When monsters are killed, they don't drop dead bodies

[heady girder]

Parallax?

If that's the moon you're refering to, it's because enemy bodies spawn in the normal dimension and not in the dimension they were killed in.

[grim plover]

sorry didn't mention the moon, I encountered the issue in Conflux

[zenith apex]

which is

[zenith apex]

which is...

[glossy cave]

chicken butt!!!

[heady girder]

@zenith apex ?

[zenith apex]

i was messing around lol

[glossy cave]

jokes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389307609974050990/1392700830192373760/lethaldancey.gif

[heady girder]

Terrain generation is going well :)

[heady girder]

I have no idea how to make the ship land inside.
Trying to make it land at main causes clipping in adjacent rooms.
Not to mention I don't know what in the world to do with modded interiors.

idea I could inject a custom tile where the ship could land

[heady girder]

Got it working with the vanilla dungeons, not too sure how modded will hold up though...

[trim lagoon]

this is wild, would the ship be grounded the moment you load in???

[heady girder]

no that's just the ship's navmesh. The ship's position will be moved to the landing tile in the interior and will play the normal landing animation.

[trim lagoon]

i wonder what would it look like

[flint thunder]

This is insane bro XD

[heady girder]

Some make moons for fun, others make moons for downloads, I make moons to test LC's Limits :D

[flint thunder]

You remind me of Mee a dev in Gmod that pushed Gmods limits XD

[warm escarp]

this is so fucking cool

[lost dawn]

an inside-out moon???????

[heady girder]

yep!

[lost dawn]

jfc

[tropic oak]

tf killed you

[heady girder]

heart attack
-# (kill bind)

[tropic oak]

also doppler effect 😡😡😡

[granite shadow]

that's so sick

[zenith apex]

YOU CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

DUDE

[heady girder]

Thanks for the positive comments!
The moon is almost done, just have to make sure most modded interiors work and there's no desync in multiplayer.
Turns out adding a custom tile is way more complex than I thought. Playzone soft locks the game, and Tomb straight up doesn't spawn the custom tile, other than that modded interior aren't causing as many issues as I thought.

[flint thunder]

Thats sick tho

[glossy cave]

Indeed

[flint thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-vinny-vinesauce-jerma-steroids-gif-3103987778992787353

[warm escarp]

oh my gosh, even liminal house works! this is seriously incredible, I always love to see it

[graceful ridge]

wesley's interiors would be worth it to test

[heady girder]

rubber rooms also softlocks the game 💀

[tropic oak]

LOL

successful test

[heady girder]

The rubber rooms is the only Magic Wesley interior that softlocks the game. I'm not entirely sure how to fix it to because it seems like the rubber rooms are inherently very complex to generate.

[glossy cave]

Probably bc of the moving tiles maybe??

And rubber dimension

Btw does it work with elevators??

(Lc office, deepcore mines)

[heady girder]

Mineshaft, LC Office, and Deepcore all work fine

[glossy cave]

Amazing!

[lost dawn]

miiiiiight be best to adamantly recommend only the use of vanilla interiors with this one. in fact, i'd hard code it

[glossy cave]

notezy was able to make modded interiors work

just not all of them

[heady girder]

The only ones I'm having real issues with are Rubber Rooms and PlayZone (currently)

[lost dawn]

i only say this because there will be more interiors in the future, and they may not be immediately compatible

[glossy cave]

i mean, but its best to have a few than to have none

its like zeranos

[lost dawn]

i guess

[glossy cave]

not all interiors work there

[lost dawn]

fair

[glossy cave]

but a few do

and who know, notezy being the mvp rn may find a way to make them work hahaha

[lost dawn]

i just dont want an(other) army of people who dont read to start complaining

[heady girder]

honestly same

[glossy cave]

true

i think it should come with weights by default

so casuals dont find those bugs

and people who tweak them will know which ones dont work

and if they dont, we can laugh at them hehehfehjbjkges

https://tenor.com/view/starwhocouldfly-rigby-cat-rigby-silly-cat-stupid-cat-gif-15385366713072989704

[lost dawn]

would probly work better, yea

[glossy cave]

weights like an interior blacklist i would say

that would work even better

[heady girder]

exactly what I was thinking

[lost dawn]

encode that and it should be fine (i aint a coder, so im just goin off of logic)

[glossy cave]

ye, dont even make a config for it

just have them block by default

[heady girder]

Ironically the hardest part of making this moon is the interiors and not the terrain generation

[heady girder]

Outfall is out

This will be the last custom moon in my moon collection for now.

[atomic bronze]

Well that explains why when I was taking a peek at the moon those were the only 2 modded interiors that showed up of the 6 I had in the pack at the time.

Neato stuff, I sorta want to explore the idea albeit scaled down to like 2 -3 interiors but uh, how well do fire escapes work with the idea if you know?

[heady girder]

Not too sure about fire exits, since the extra building technically count as fire exits since any additional entrance from main is inherently considered to be a fire exit. So it would be a bit complex to give fire exits to the buildings

[lost dawn]

you've certainly proved you can break LC in an orderly way. well done

[graceful ridge]

i think the starting tile in outfall should be surrounded by metal walls as tall as the landing, so you can't see into the interior outside

[unreal void]

HWAT

oh that is insanely cool

[frigid fiber]

@heady girder Whats the dungeon generator thingy for the outfall moon so i can blacklist it in CullFactory?

it causes weird flickering otherwise

its whatever this format is

cant find it in my log generation 💔

[heady girder]

NotezLevel3Outfall

[frigid fiber]

thankyousomuch🙏

[steep sky]

You are a pioneering genius dude

Literally some of the most creative moon mechanics I've seen to date.

[copper jackal]

I have a question about Conflux. Is there some place to control which extra interiors can spawn? I've tried messing with its LLL interior weights but that only seems to effect the "main" interior?

[glossy cave]

Only main interior can be tweaked

[copper jackal]

Ah, thanks.

[granite shadow]

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/kUZZ0dOO1SJlTCpxf?invite=cr-MSxsUXUsMjI5OTY0ODMz&v=57

[zenith apex]

they were traumatized lmfao

[granite shadow]

that was me LMAOP

I WAS FUCKING AFK

THATS THE FUNNIEST PART ABOUT IT

[zenith apex]

OH

[heady girder]

:O

[tropic oak]

i wonder what conflux would be like with my penumbra content config

[steep sky]

I wonder if it would in character lore wise if the company would've used the "vr sim" in the theater as a means of scouting out potential hires.

[tropic oak]

[heady girder]

That reminds me I need to update conflux to use LLL's dungeon picker instead of Vanilla LC's to allow modded interiors

I did not know LLL had it's own dungeon picker until I started working on Outfall

[granite shadow]

huh

but it already does

doesn't it?

I saw liminal house a few times on there

Also I really love Conflux mechanically, I hope it gets an art pass eventually cuz it does need a liittle bit more work

[heady girder]

That's because I forced Liminal House and Storage Complex into the moon's dungeon flows to be picked by Vanilla LC's dungeon picker.

At the time I had no idea LLL temporarily overrides the dungeon flows for like a frame and then reverts them back

[granite shadow]

ah interesting!! ok

[heady girder]

I know I know, I mostly prioritized the mechanic over the moon's surface and I'm not entirely sure what to do to make it look better. You got any advice?

[granite shadow]

I think it's mainly the textures being super tiled, it's fairly easy to change em to tile less

props could use some work, same tiling issue as the terrain and some don't come with proper collission, proper tags on things help keep immersion alive aswell

[tropic oak]

oh btw
since its of importance to me..
the dropship music is playing as its landing

[granite shadow]

you just go into the material and change this value (for the tiling thing)

[tropic oak]

on all of your moons im pretty sure

[heady girder]

Actually, I thought the moon's texture weren't tiled enough

[granite shadow]

nah right now it's the opposite I think

unless I got the terminology wrong

this is sand with a tiling value of 1, for example

[heady girder]

okay looking at it, yeah it's super tiled

[granite shadow]

and this is that same sand, same camera position and everything just with a value of 20 on both x and y

[granite shadow]

I recommend either 15 or 20 for floor

if the texture goes uninterrupted for a while it's better to have a bigger value (don't go over 20 or 25 though cuz you run the risk of having the texture be super duper stretched, just turns it really blurry)

[heady girder]

Changed it to 15 and it looks way better, thanks!

[zenith apex]

mine has two normal maps....

the sand material i use for some reason doesn't have masks

[granite shadow]

it doesn't come with it when you import weirdly enough

but if you select the texture/the normal the one to the right of it should be the mask map

there's also this strange lighting thing going on with its channel mapping settings that you can change by changing its max alpha to 0 on the settings

although it's subjective whether or not you like how it looks lol

#dev-moons message

[zenith apex]

yeah had that happen to me

fixed it the moment i found it lol

[zenith apex]

like???

[granite shadow]

oj idk why I thought you were using the exact same texture LOL mb

mask maps are fully dark

like they're dark gray usually

[zenith apex]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

i get it now......

[heady girder]

Had to change LLL configs to allow almost every dungeon to spawn on Conflux, but got custom dungeons working for the extra buildings

[tropic oak]

will you make custom buildings for these interiors?

[heady girder]

maybe for some

[lost dawn]

idk about custom buildings, but plenty of custom interiors can be matched to vanilla ones

ex.

Mineshaft Building:

• Rrajigar Mines
• Blue Mines
• Deepcore Mines
• Tomb

Factory Building:

• Fractured Complex
• Grand Armory
• Tower
• Storehouse
• Storage Complex

Mansion Building:

• Scarlet Devil interiors
• Raven Manor
• Liminal House
• Cabin

[glossy cave]

Wow

There could be like a more simplistic and global design instead of a design for each interior yeah

[lost dawn]

at least as a start

[glossy cave]

Tomb is wild tho haha

[lost dawn]

i aint against custom buildings in the future

[glossy cave]

I can kinda see it but i would compare it more to castle and atlantean citadel

[lost dawn]

i just think a simple matchmaking would be a gentler start to the idea

[glossy cave]

Yesh, maybe the building could have decoration from all those interiors

[lost dawn]

hmmmm

perhaps

[glossy cave]

So it could be any of them, but still making sense that this is the "mansion" building

[heady girder]

^noted

[glossy cave]

🔥

[heady girder]

Might make a pryamid building for tomb spesficly lol

[glossy cave]

Imagine smth even crazier, buildings changing depending on the interior it picked

That would go crazy

But has to be extremely hard and tedious to make

[glossy cave]

More than pyramid, i would say smth old

So other interiors like atlantean or castle could also fit

[tropic oak]

dont forget to add compatibility for legm-

[lost dawn]

granny interior 🙂

[tropic oak]

🙏

[glossy cave]

Baldi building

[heady girder]

The error spam interiors

[tropic oak]

oh my god you know

LOL

[heady girder]

CONFLUX

V0.1.1

• Extra Buildings can now spawn modded interiors
• Tweaked Terrain Texture Tiling
• Changing Interior Spawn Chances now effects the extra buildings
• Fixed one of the buildings sometimes being missing in place of 2 main buildings
• Added 2 Special Buildings

[tropic oak]

Changing Interior Spawn Chances now effects the extra buildings
fuck yeah i can now make my friends have to play nine separate grand armorys

[foggy harness]

i was expecting conflux to be way less optimized but wow it runs better than i thought

also btw the greenhouse interior is super incompatible

[granite shadow]

the dirt looks great! grass is still really noisy but it's a lot better :J

[granite shadow]

yeah I forgot to report that

[foggy harness]

are there any mods incompatible with outfall?

[foggy harness]

weird i dont get why my game keeps softlocking when going to it

how long does outfall usually take to load?

[tropic oak]

did you update sciencebird tweaks

[foggy harness]

its at version 4.4.2

[tropic oak]

maybe a different incompatibility then

[foggy harness]

using debugassistant shows rebirhlib errors when going to it

with its outside objects features

[heady girder]

.log file plz

[steep sky]

Rather than a bunch of bunkers and concrete you could make each thing more thematic to each interior like the mansion ones more house/mansion like, the mineshafts have a cave or more mining facility look, factory interiors resemble a Industrial/factory building (or really keep the concrete bunker look for those ones), and after re arrange it so it makes sense like it was a setup for a corporation camp or colony (whatever makes sense to you really). Alternatively you could keep the layout but make the entrances (not necessarily the buildings) look more like teleporters or something.

[azure narwhal]

This is because of Lethal Quantities dev forcing me to btw

[gloomy roost]

this is not coderebirthlib btw. this is something going wrong in the vanilla game and crlib is just getting blamed by unity debugger assistant.

[foggy harness]

crlib false accusations

[heady girder]

I tested it and the moon runs fine with both CodeRebirthLib and CodeRebirth itself

also

[lost dawn]

||if they were the same number, nothin in the rules says you cant||
||got a few 42's and a handful of 69's, out there||

[atomic bronze]

Then you got Wesley with a teehee -42

[lost dawn]

surprisingly no 420 moons afaik

[flint thunder]

I clipped and i cant get out :c

[heady girder]

always bring a key or a lockpicker to outfall

actually I might make it so the starting room doors can never be locked

[steep sky]

What do think you might do if you make another moon?

[tacit crest]

these moons are crazy btw

[brave cove]

@heady girder Could you make monsters and players specific to the dimension.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/NotezyTeam/Parallax/

[outer tangle]

I thought that was a thing already

[brave cove]

its only scrap

[outer tangle]

I stg bro I had a man-eater in my hands

But only I saw the maneater

[heady girder]

That was initially the plan, but It would cause issues as I can't easily make monsters stop targeting players when they switch dimensions

[heady girder]

That's prolly because the man-eater also counts as scrap

[outer tangle]

Interesting

[brave cove]

You could do something like imperium with the Untargetable

[heady girder]

I could but I'd imagine it could get kind of buggy, especially with enemy vs enemy interactions. (baboon hawks and eyeless dogs for example)

[heady girder]

no idea actually, that's part of the reason why I've paused making moons

Updates:

OUTFALL

V0.1.1

• The ship landing room now automatically unlocks any locked door that has no wall around it to prevent player from clipping into a locked room

CONFLUX

V0.1.3

• Fixed Error upon startup

V0.1.2

• Fixed dropship music not playing

[lost dawn]

🔥

[graceful ridge]

i am still suggesting this

[heady girder]

I'm worried that would cause more issues with interiors since I would have to make the tile very tall

[graceful ridge]

i suppose this is true

[heady girder]

My next moon will most likely either be about Elevators or Time Travel

[lost dawn]

well, we do have Zeranos which is centered around a potentially limitless elevator

[heady girder]

I know but imagine a moon/interior with a lot of elevators. Not just one, but several.

[lost dawn]

peanut brain cant comprehend one playing well. however, you've busted out some great concepts already. im interested to see what you can do with one

[flint thunder]

Notezy having fun and breaking lethal in the best way possible

[heady girder]

Yeah I am :D

[warm escarp]

its always so cool to see!!!!!

[flint thunder]

Is there a way to blacklist the transporter from code rebirth from spawning on outfall? i had a moment where one was hopping in and out of the only fire exit that worked and i could not enter as he kept moving me in and out like he was

[granite shadow]

if it has a spawn config yeah

[heady girder]

tbh, I don't know how I'm gonna utilize Time Travel to push LC to it's limits.
Time Travel is already a very complex concept.

[lost dawn]

a moon where time goes backwards

[brave cove]

Instead of time travel you could do something with time rate changing. For example it could speed up or slow down randomly.

[lost dawn]

we also have timeskipping with Skelaah's Chronos moon

[flint thunder]

Well nows the time

[zenith apex]

what if you could see you/your own crew landing on the moon?

[warm escarp]

i dont know how you would get paid for it, but you could do a backwards moon where time moves backwards, it starts at a random time between midnight and 3pm, and you spawn with some scrap in your ship that you have to put back in the facility in order to keep it? just spitballing

[flint thunder]

Idea the main entrance and fire exits shift based on time of day like if its time what if the main entrance does not exist yet as it was destroyed before but as time shifts the main building is rebuilt? or objects on the map are rebuilt

[zenith apex]

imagine watching the whole moon being rebuilt right infront of you

like a reverse atlantica

[heady girder]

I have a concept,
The moon periodically shifts every player to a different time period, which is either the present, future, or past.

When shifted to the past, players will be sent back to where they were 2 in game hours before the shift, and all scrap not in the ship are also sent back to where they were 2 hours in the past.

When shifted to the future, players will be sent forward to where they might be depending on several factors.

Players that are in the past will appear as "echoes" to players in the future or present that can only be seen and not interacted with.

Players that are in the future cannot be seen at all to players in the present or past.

The ship is in it's own time period (represented by the blue clock in that image), and won't leave if players are sent to the future.

Enemies will disappear in the past if they haven't been spawn yet and will reappear if in the future after they have spawned.

Landmines will not disappear if they have triggered in the future, but will disappear if they have been triggered in the past.

Items appear in all time periods unless taken by a player in the past, in which it will disappear from the present and future until the next shift.

Thoughts?

For example, this Code Rebirth enemy can't attack the player because it spawns in the future

[zenith apex]

so basically 5d chess?

[heady girder]

with multiverse time travel

[zenith apex]

i would suggest a "timeline" gimmick

but ive got no idea how hard it would be to pull off

because yknow

imagine this but in a 3d game

[heady girder]

This is what it looks like when a player in the future dies to an enemy in the future

[flint thunder]

THATS PEAK

[tacit crest]

could you be able to do a moon with reality switching, where the moons layout is different instead of the dimesional switching one?

i would find that really cool

like some realities are destroyed versions and others are just different

[lost dawn]

keep in mind the concept of ReservedSlots, as that is indeed a popular thing to have among packs

[heady girder]

What do you mean?

[lost dawn]

make sure items in reserved slots follow the same rules as they would in unreserved slots.

[heady girder]

ah, okay

[lost dawn]

they may act differently than intended. could just be my paranoia tho

[heady girder]

Perhaps

[heady girder]

Players in the past can take items from players in the present/future since the item hasn't been taken in the past yet, and the item couldn't have been taken if that player from the past had taken it.

[brave cove]

@heady girder With this don’t you have to fix the issue that you were having trouble with in the parallel moon? Enemies targeting certain players. Because you don’t want a enemy in the past targeting you while your in the present

[heady girder]

Found a way to do that ^^^, But it might not work on some enemies if they don't use the "PlayerIsTargetable" function

[brave cove]

Could you add that to the parallel moon then. Like making players and monsters dimension specific.

[heady girder]

Planning on doing that, the moon is still in beta after all

[heady girder]

Landmines that are set off in the future won't be set off for players in the past until time in the past gets to the point where the landmine was set off in the future

[tacit crest]

that’s sick

[warm escarp]

this is so cool!!!!!

[lost dawn]

we reachin "Bites the Dust" territory

[steep sky]

YES!!

Actually maybe you could do both. If you don't and make only one or both but separate (if it's the elevator one) I would like to see an elevator like transit system that goes in more than just 2 directions. It'd be cool if we can get all 6 but I don't want to backseat just spitballin.

As for time travel it would be interesting to see a moons past, present, and future sonic CD style especially if doing certain things at different times had different effects.

Or if you can see your past self as recordings or ghostly images ||and a system that could predict what it thinks you might do in the future but that's super complicated||.

[limber karma]

I saw the discussion of CullFactory with Conflux a while back, and while it doesn't cause any issues if the interiors never overlap, it can only cull for the "main" interior

I'm not sure why having CullFactory would improve the generation times

I do kinda need to look into how I can generate culling info for multiple dungeons, but that'll be a bit of work I think

especially since I'll have no way to know when all the dungeons finish generating (without soft compat), so it may end up regenerating the same culling info repeatedly

[heady girder]

It actually doesn't, generating times are incontinent, on my end at least. I was testing conflux without CullFactory and it loaded as fast as in the second clip of that video. I forgot to mention that at the time

[limber karma]

ah

that makes sense

[heady girder]

Conflux calls FinishGeneratingLevel on the round manager after it has finished generating all of the dungeons. Maybe that could be used?

[limber karma]

hmm

maybe I could have it wait for that to fire after the ship starts landing, yeah

[heady girder]

Planning on making a Library mod to allow other moon makers to add multiple dungeons

[limber karma]

oh boy

then I really better make this work lmao

I have a plan, hopefully it'll work

[limber karma]

@heady girder when do you start the process of generating the extra dungeons? I wanna make sure I pause generating culling info early enough

also, if it's after GenerateNewLevelClientRpc, I assume that wouldn't be called multiple times? I'm looking at that to hook into

[heady girder]

The first time RoundManager.FinishGeneratingLevel is called, it gets Prefixed out to let the extra dungeons generate, then calls it again to let it execute

[limber karma]

oh hmm

so I'll have to check if you're canceling it before I run

well wait no, I hook into something further down the chain so I think it's ok

SetLevelObjectVariables, to be specific

[steep sky]

You are a badass

🤘

[heady girder]

CONFLUX (Update)

V0.1.4

• Moved Special Mechanic over to NotezyLib to allow other moon makers to add multiple interiors
• Fixed issues with LC Office

NotezyLib Is Out

[limber karma]

@heady girder any idea why what I believe must be the primary dungeon would have its DungeonFlow destroyed after it finished generating?

this kinda throws a spanner in the works for how I was going to handle interior blacklisting

ah, I see, you're cloning the flow to change the size.. any chance you could cache the clones, or modify the values in place and restore them later?

multi-dungeon culling does appear to be working now though, just got some extensive testing to do

[heady girder]

I'll actually try that, I just cloned them to prevent messing up the actual flow.
Not sure why the primary dungeon doesn't have it's flow though since the original flows are restored after the clones are removed.

[chilly flax]

I was praying for times like these

thank you, notezy

[heady girder]

👍

[chilly flax]

this opens up an idea i had for a major moon rework and im totally gonna do it when this releases

[heady girder]

If you're talking about when the lib releases it's already out

It was easier than I thought to move the code over from Conflux to the Lib

[chilly flax]

holy shit

[heady girder]

NotezyLib (Update)

V0.1.2

• Altered the way the Multi Dungeon Generator Shrinks flows.

V0.1.1

• Tweaked Mod Page

[atomic bronze]

Ooo, neato, thanks for the lib
That'll be handy for a moon I have in mind when I actually get around to making some w

[limber karma]

it's the flow on the Dungeon instance rather than the dungeon generator that I'm checking, so presumably you need to restore that too? although all the extra dungeons did have their flows, which I assume you would have also modified, so maybe something is different with the main dungeon in particular?

[heady girder]

Yeah before 0.1.2 I did set the flow on the dungeon instance

But I might have forgotten to do that for the main dungeon

[limber karma]

oh, is it because you didn't subscribe to that event for the main dungeon?

also, what did you choose to go with as a solution? restore fields, or cache?

[heady girder]

restore fields

[limber karma]

nice ok

I'll check out the latest and make sure it all works, then test a few other scenarios and probably put it out on beta

[heady girder]

It's because I forgot to make a special method to add the flow to the main dungeon instance, since it's generated by the game and not the multi dungeon generator.

[limber karma]

gotcha

at least this new solution is hopefully simpler for you to implement, since you don't have to hunt down all the references to the flow

[zenith apex]

do you accept suggestions..

[heady girder]

sure

[zenith apex]

i already suggested it before in here, but ill say it again

[zenith apex]

idk if dungen can do something like this (pretty sure it can)

a single interior with multiple entrances

[heady girder]

How would multiple mains change gameplay, unlike fire exits do?

[zenith apex]

id say it changes the outside?

but yeah you're right fire exits already do the job

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244083301367681105/1404989836691111966/togif.gif

[zenith apex]

but

i do have something else in mind

there was this old moon

tranquility

that had a custom interior where the mansion and the facility were fused

along with a custom main tile

let me find the images for it

oh purple already mentioned it

dismiss everything ive said

[heady girder]

I think I could do that

[chilly flax]

my unity project when i accidentally import a blender asset

(for some reason its allergic to blender and only accepts fbx's)

[limber karma]

@heady girder any chance you could make the extra dungeons reproducible based on the game seed? Them randomizing every time means that any rare culling issues will be virtually impossible to reproduce

[heady girder]

I randomize each dungeon seed because if I don't then I'd assume multiple dungeons would have the same layout if they are the same flow.

Oh wait, I could just offset the map seed

Yeah

[limber karma]

what I would recommend is taking the base seed and offsetting it, then grabbing n numbers from it

you could even increase the range of seeds beyond what vanilla uses if you want

zeekerss's range is like 20x smaller than it could be

oh interesting, mineshaft doesn't place the blue lights outside the cave doors

[steep sky]

Suddenly your entire house becomes filled with blue lights......and spore lizards

[steep sky]

What is that.......and where can I go to

BUY YOUR ENTIRE STOCK

[steep sky]

-# by the way this like the perfect texture for this glitter ink bomb idea I had

[heady girder]

A kind of funny oversight I'm dealing with right now is that the Time Machine would sometimes trigger at the start of the day, causing players to be sent back to when they were in the air in the ship, killing almost every player.

[zenith apex]

thats something zeekers would see and say its a feature

[steep sky]

You could set it so that it ONLY triggers when the ship lands.

[heady girder]

That's what I plan to do

[steep sky]

What else can it and will it do??

[heady girder]

It will activate randomly thought the day, sending players into either the past or future, along with any items that aren't in the ship or a player's inventory.

The moon was abandoned because of the time machine randomly activating.

[steep sky]

I'm curious what it's name is and what else will be on the moon, like where the time machine will be kept in or if it'll be the time machine in the open and then a facility.

.......unless the time machine IS the facility.

[heady girder]

It will be out in the open on the moon's surface, kind of like the giant light on Noctis

Haven't thought much about finer details yet since I'm mainly working on the Time Travel mechanic.

[steep sky]

Ohhh, haven't gotten that far yet......sorry. I do not mean to disturb the process. I eagerly look forward to the progress and results.

[heady girder]

Nah you're good

[heady girder]

if you were referring to the name of the Time Machine then it's called "The Time Reviver". In lore the moon was supposed to be used as an "Immortality moon" by using the time machine to undo deaths. But instead it just sends people to random points in the day and cannot undo death.

[steep sky]

Well I meant the moon itself but this is fascinating. I wonder if someone sabo'd it by accident like spilling their coffee or intentionally as vengeance or for some other reason, or if it just entirely glitched on its own and wasn't able to be fixed in time.

[heady girder]

The moon is called "119-Recede"

[steep sky]

Oooooo, I

really

Like the implications of that name.

Also it just sounds smooth

[chilly flax]

jesus christ

this is awesome

[zenith apex]

i know outfall is on an experimental state rn

but while i was fiddling with it i found out that when you go into orbit and visit any other moon, it darkens them

[heady girder]

wdym darken?

like the sun gets turnned off?

[zenith apex]

the whole moon gets darker

like its turning night time

let me take a screenshot rq

humidity (generic's moons) and defectus (moons of ascension) before visiting outfall

[heady girder]

Could you send your modpack code?

[zenith apex]

after

[zenith apex]

its a testing modpack, but sure

0198e313-3cd4-37da-1a76-8e301a8297f8

[zenith apex]

you can barely see the difference on defectus, but the buildings become more visible

[heady girder]

Minor oversight, forgot to make players set as outside when the ship leaves the planet, causing other moons to think the player is inside and disable the sun.

I know this because going in and out of the facilty on the other moons fixes it

[spiral cove]

Quick question, does 2-story ship + wider ship work on outfall or?

Like does it FIT.

[heady girder]

The normal one story ship clips through the roof a little bit so most likely it could fit but the second floors will clip into the roof

[spiral cove]

Is there a way to raise the ship landing area roof up higher or.. (It sounds easy saying it. But it is most likely a more difficult process in the game.)

[zenith apex]

pretty sure he just needs to edit the tile where the ship lands on

easy enough

i think?

[spiral cove]

what type of issues? Like tiles colliding with the ship room tile or..?

[heady girder]

Interior Generation Failures causing softlocks

[spiral cove]

ohh yeah I forgot those existed.

well thats ashame then!

[flint thunder]

Notezys moons but howabout notezyz interiors, sorry

[granite shadow]

interior that has 5 moons inside it

[tropic oak]

interior that has a separate lethal company instance inside it

[zenith apex]

non euclidean interiors

[lost dawn]

moon/interior that draws from all custom scraps installed?
||Oxyde does this, but it's a company moon||

minus apparatuseseseses

[heady girder]

I might re use the elevator idea I had for an interior

[steep sky]

Yes

[flint thunder]

I thought Playzone was blacklisted from generating on conflux?

It tried to generate the playzone for awhile then crashed

[lost dawn]

blacklisted on Outfall

not Conflux

[flint thunder]

ah ok

[steep sky]

You could use a mod to blacklist it manually.

[heady girder]

You can use Lethal Level Loader's config to blacklist it

[steep sky]

You can also use lethal quantities if there issues with LLL.

[flint thunder]

Im pretty sure lethal quantities had its own issues so

[steep sky]

I haven't had one so far

[heady girder]

What do you guys think About this Time Machine design?

[steep sky]

This is cool but the dark sci-fi feel of the previous design seems lost but I like this direction.

I would love to see a modified version of this design but grittier and more industrial.

Keep the Tesla coils though it's a really nice touch.

[lost dawn]

looks fine to me

[steep sky]

I also do like the way the pod Opens like a claw.

[heady girder]

previous design for refernce

[steep sky]

Ah, not bad but the one above looks better.

It looked much cooler with its shaders than I thought it did

[steep sky]

I do look forward to this, this does look fantastic.

[zenith apex]

amazing...

[steep sky]

Ik right?

[zenith apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823973889947729940/1337914354271518822/watermark.gif

[granite shadow]

sick asf

[spring pike]

I have a moon that I think would go really well with the multi dungeon generator. I'm having some trouble with it. Sorry if this isn't the right spot to ask, I just didn't see a specific thread for NotezyLib.

I set up the moon for 2 extra dungeons. Two worked, one didn't (said the entrance was blocked.) I then deleted the extra gameobjects and then tried with just one extra dungeon, but it doesn't seem to be generating properly. The original main entrance works and the copied one says the entrance is blocked.

Using UnityExplorer, I can see that one dungeon generated properly and the other one seems to have generated only part way

On the left I can see all of the doors and scrap that spawned where the other dungeon should be, but there aren't any rooms

Here's my log

[heady girder]

I'll look into it

[spring pike]

Such a cool idea by the way. Amazing you got this to work! This moon is a city, so I think it would be awesome to have a few different buildings you can go in to that have different interiors to make it feel more like a real abandoned city

[heady girder]

and yeah this is the right place to ask (even though the thread isn't specificity named NotezyLib)

[spring pike]

Oh good, thanks!

[heady girder]

So it seems like from the log, 2 dungeons are generated while there are 4 outdoor entrances

There needs to be a dungeon for every entrance on the moon or else some entrances won't have a dungeon assigned to them and it will say exit blocked.

[spring pike]

Ohh I forgot this doesn't work with fire exits, I'll try disabling those and see if that works

Yep that was it, thanks! Figured it was something I was doing wrong lol

[lost dawn]

[heady girder]

:O

I've always imagend what this moon would be like with multiple dungeons

[granite shadow]

it's a good application of the lib honestly

[tacit crest]

which ones ether again?

[spring pike]

Felt to me like that moon was made for something like that

Amazing how easy it was to set up too! Nearly one click

[spring pike]

One of the really old LethalExpansion moons that I'm maintaining now

[tacit crest]

ok ok, i remember the name but i couldn’t recall

i play with upwards of 50 moons

[spring pike]

I'm pretty much up there myself lol

I like the idea of slimming my pack down but every time I try, I wind up adding more to it

[lost dawn]

wes moons, moons of otherworldly oddity, nightmare moons, harvest moons, mythic moons, and a small handful of singles (Parallax being one of them)

[heady girder]

Recede Alpha coming soon, have to cut items and landmines time traveling because I don't know how to properly test it with multiplayer.
Items would just randomly end up out of bounds most of the time

[lunar ember]

this is sick wtf?
wish chronos was like that
get better skelaah 😔

[lunar ember]

how does multiple dungeon mechanic works actually?
is it safe to configure via lethalquantities?
does it extract all possible interior weights assigned to the moon to put on 2+ slots for the more than 1 interior moons?

[heady girder]

It re-uses the same code Lethal Level Loader uses to get possible interior weights, haven't tested it with LethalQuantites so it may or may not work.

[lunar ember]

I check how that behaves today or later tomorrow then
outfall works just fine with just facility interior for example

the only moon of yours I actually played for now

[heady girder]

I've also changed Recede to be a snowy moon as I want to save the purple/pinkish colors for my fifth, and probably final 'moon'.

[lunar ember]

from my tests... it indeed doesn't work with LQ
1st test was adding 5 random ones of my choice on weight 5 on LQ preset, there was presence of interiors I didn't put into
2nd test was only SCP interior without any other interiors which softlocked the game
now 3rd test were only 3 interiors on weight 3000 which... also softlocked the game

so yup ig it has to rely on LLL

it was worth to take a shot regardless of what you said

[random crater]

uhh what do you mean by "moon" in quotation marks

[heady girder]

:D

[zenith apex]

we bout to see cosmocos 2.0 or something lmfao

[tropic oak]

its gonna be all 4 gimmicks combined

and it will be so fucked its not even a moon anymore

its just hell

[heady girder]

Updates

NotezyLib V0.1.3

• Added more miscellaneous functions

Conflux V0.1.5

• Updated Sun Texture
• Tweaked Flooded weather

Parallax V0.1.4

• Updated Sun Texture
• Added NotezyLib Dep
• Tweaked Flooded weather

Outfall V0.1.2

• Updated Sun Texture
• Fixed Rain being inside during rainy weather
• Fixed moons going dark after visting
• Tweaked Flooded weather
• Added NotezyLib Dep

Recede Is Out

[zenith apex]

oh yeah ive got a question regarding your lib

[heady girder]

yea?

[zenith apex]

when picking the dungeon, does it like, pick the interior twice?

like for example

main 1 picked the mineshaft, it is the most common following mansion and facility

then main 2 picked mineshaft again

does it have an option to like, make it so main 2 picks mansion after?

[somber lodge]

have to say I love the mechanics of these moons but imo Conflux could use with a visual touchup

its a bit to blocky looking

imo

[heady girder]

I know I know, all of my moons will get a visual touch up in the near future.

[somber lodge]

Recede looks very good so im confident youll do well

dont let me discourage you at all

[heady girder]

The odds don't change. If an interior is set to be common for a moon, then it will most likely pick that interior repeatedly.
Like rolling a dice with 3 out of 6 sides being 1.
Which is why I made the odds for the 3 vanilla interiors on conflux to be the same.

[zenith apex]

yeah makes sense

i was wondering if you could add an option like that

thanks for clarifying though

[heady girder]

I've mainly focused on the gameplay mechanics, as there wouldn't be much to write home about my moons if it weren't for them.
That and I just want to get the initial 4 moons out before school takes over my life again.

[somber lodge]

all fair

[lunar ember]

Isn't that how outfall sort of works?

[lost dawn]

so... 4 moons

you gonna bundle em up?

into a singular mod?

[granite shadow]

don't do that notezy

don't submit to the hive mind

[lunar ember]

There'll be one more
Then it would make sense to bundle them up

[steep sky]

If you do that please keep the standalones so people can pick singles or the whole thing. It's actually somewhat important accessibility wise.

Takes more time but there ARE users who will appreciate it greatly.

[lost dawn]

nother tough one for me to do, but i cant imagine the hoops you jumped thru to get Recede working

[steep sky]

Actually that's pretty close to perfect. Also I know what you mean. I used to make my own mouse pointers with animations so I know how it feels working in such a low res man.

[lunar ember]

This will most likely happen
Moon devs always release standalones and merges it into a bundle if they think it's ready to be a bundle
And standalones would be updated along with a bundle
Take an example of wesley's, demonmae's, skelaah's or kenji's
-# and tbf notezy should NOT merge their moons into a bundle just to spite on us all

[steep sky]

Yes but I've also seen a few who don't and only do one or the other so it's always something I think about here and there.

[lunar ember]

Yean I get it 😔

-# but if you put a lil pressure on them, then maybe we get the bundle nyehehhehehhheheh

[steep sky]

🔥 🙂 🔥

[lunar ember]

Jk
Just try to put a pressure, and I sentence you to 3 quotas on Tr*te on Evil Blue weather

This'll be you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192948703309344859/1402460480039026728/bluedropped1.gif

[steep sky]

You shouldn't threaten people with a good time :)

They just might get the wrong idea

[lunar ember]

[steep sky]

😀

[lunar ember]

Okay then
Then I will sentence you on 3 quotas on ETERN

[steep sky]

🤣

[lunar ember]

[steep sky]

Dude I literally have that in my mod pack

[lunar ember]

Chat, what does this man fear?

Fuck it, banished to cosmocos

[steep sky]

Nothing......well except for g-

[lunar ember]

Geometry dash?

[steep sky]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-

[lunar ember]

Well then

[heady girder]

Planning on doing that, not sure to do that before or after I've released my final "moon".

[lunar ember]

Pawsy meow for me

[analog flower]

Meow meow!

[lunar ember]

I just playtested recede twice
||and I'm flabbergasted that even majora moon countdown timer was going reverse with me when time machine sent me into the past||

||-# also majora moon seems to be working decently well as the moon wasn't even clipping into the mountain near the entrance LOL||

[heady girder]

||that wasn't even intended XD, the majora countdown must be tied to the actual clock||

[lunar ember]

I can make you a quick clip of that hold on

but first I need to resummon the weather

[heady girder]

Speaking of clips

[lunar ember]

btw
does the time machine only sends you into the past? or can also send you into the future?

[lunar ember]

oh and it was on single player btw

[heady girder]

it can but slightly less commonly

[lunar ember]

ah gotcha, because on those 2 days I was being sent only into the past
so I could be unlucky

||sending you into the future and the majora countdown shrinks ||

||NOW I've been sent into the future while I'm waiting for the countdown ||

[lunar ember]

anyway then have from the future warp

oh jeez I did now expected THAT

I honestly have no clue how the majora moon would behave if I would time skip into the future, past the countdown or into the past, before 02:20:00
but I'm not willing to check that right now
it would probably explode right on my nose in the future
and into the past would just work normally 🤭

[heady girder]

Updates

Recede V0.0.2

• Fixed Assembly Version
• Seperated Fire Exit and main
• Moved Main a bit closer

[lunar ember]

good patch
I forgot to mention that the main entrance hangar is too big and the main entrance door could be closer
I hope this fixes the issue

[zenith apex]

recede doesn't like code rebirth that much i think

[lunar ember]

I noticed that redwood giant worked without issues

[heady girder]

Oh, thats just a debug thing, forgot to change the log levels

that just checks if it should hide enemies when a player is in the past

if it does NOT use MeetsStandardPlayerCollisionCondisions, then it wouldn't be fair if an invisible enemy could attack a player

Most vanilla LC enemies use that function, but some modded ones don't

Like Code Rebirth

[zenith apex]

but it still affects them in some way?

[heady girder]

Aside from instantly spawning, that the only thing the moon effects enemies that don't use MeetsStandardPlayerCollisionCondisions

[lunar ember]

btw I don't have clip of that, but forest keeper appeared to me invisible, but with a node
I was "in the past" at that time iirc
he was ofc passive and acted like non-existent to me and idk if that's intentional

-# I don't have logs either

[heady girder]

wdym "appeared to me invisible, but with a node"

[lunar ember]

uhhh I couldn't see him, he was wandering like normal, but it was just a node

that's it

idk how to explain that further

[heady girder]

wdym by node??? like the ones on the ship radar?

[lunar ember]

no
like a node when scanning

[heady girder]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[lunar ember]

yeah
I was observing outside on the ship railing

[heady girder]

yeah I was just talking about that, if you are in the past then enemies that are inivsible shouldn't be able to attack you

[lunar ember]

I can't blame LQ for that because nothing was touched by it at the time being

[lunar ember]

he wasn't attacking

but weren't I supposed to see him as a echo ghost or smth?

[heady girder]

seeing enemies as echo ghosts was a debug thing and wasn't intended to be in the launch version. Like how you can't see players that are in the future.

But idk should I change that back?

[lunar ember]

no then

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

the players are supposed to be echo ghosts right?

just the players?

[heady girder]

yes

[lunar ember]

that makes sense then

[heady girder]

forgot to disable scan nodes for enemies that are invisible

[lunar ember]

okay I misread that then

[zenith apex]

for better readability yeah

[lunar ember]

yeah, so you can write it into recede todo list ig

[lunar ember]

personally for me I'm neutral
it can either be changed back or not
-# but if I have to choose between a "yes" or "no" then I'm as a yes

[heady girder]

alr

also just noticed that Parallax is apart of the LethalParty mod pack so no wonder it has the most downloads out of the four

[tropic oak]

i dont even know how so many people play that mod pack

its incomprehensible unless you know every mod in it

i question how not being able to understand whats going on and constantly experiencing bullshit scenarios due to that is fun

[granite shadow]

No idea

[zenith apex]

convenience

people will see a modpack like that and think "well ill just play with this modpack instead of wasting my time messing with configs"

[tropic oak]

i dont think its that

theres a lot of newer modders who dont know about configs for mods

plus most mod packs dont alter configs

[zenith apex]

eh

its still convenience

[lost dawn]

now

we need

a moon

with Parallax, Conflux, and Recede's gimmicks

combined

(/j)

[lunar ember]

I kinda imagined time machine concept from recede as a zigzag weather

[heady girder]

I have a concept for a 5th and final "moon"

I put "moon" in quotations because it won't really be a moon,
it would be a full planet. Which is the planet you see when on any of the 4 moons

Unlike moons, the company deems planets safe enough at night to stay.

Meaning the planet will have full day night cycles like Zeranos. But unlike Zeranos, days before the quota actually pass per cycle.

So the ship still has to leave when it comes to selling day.

Each day cycle on the moon acts like the end of a day, all players get revived, HP gets restored, a random Weather has a chance to activate and a day closer to quota.

Enemies will despawn throughout the day, and all enemies despawn by the start of the next cycle.

Since this planet is so big, it has several regions, these regions are like moons themselves.

Regions have their own Main (with fire exits, so I will update NotezyLib to support Multi-Dungeon Fire Exits) Spawning Behaviors, and scrap spawns.

the ship can relocate to these regions mid-day.

Players left behind when the ship relocates won't die, but either have to wait until the ship relocates back, or die and have the next cycle revive them in the ship.

If all players in a region die, the ship will automatically relocate to a region where the most living players are at.

If the random weather is set to eclipsed, then instead of being more enemies spawns, one of the 4 moons will eclipse the sun and project it's mechanic onto the planet.
For example: if parallax eclipses the sun, then portals will start to spawn on the surface and scrap will be split across the 2 dimensions.

The planet will have a "lost and found". Any scrap that is in the ship by the end of a cycle will get saved. So if all players die or the server disconnects, items that were saved have a chance of respawning in the lost and found.

This is just a concept though and started work on it yet since my other moons still need work.

[lunar ember]

jesus christ that sounds awesome

[granite shadow]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/c82e757fc92904a9fe37fb0c6e75915d/d35e4eb0e4e559f6-ab/s250x400/c5f9e331f240060d7d17f88fc4401425e15b4d66.gif

scrumptious

[steep sky]

If this planet were to be made it would probably end up being the most innovative mod that the game has see in an entire year, possibly ever.

[granite shadow]

i totally agree

[chilly flax]

this + collabing with every major moon maker to make a different section = best mod ever we can just deprecate the rest

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eye-twitch-cat-eye-twitch-cat-camera-gif-26361958

[lunar ember]

Or moon makera just migrate out of making moon bundles and start making a singular planet with 6 regions

[steep sky]

.....I am worried about processing power. My laptop would probably fucking explode trying to load that.

[chilly flax]

the ever helpful LODs:

[lunar ember]

I suspect it could be done like so the region is loaded when someone is routing to it rather than being loaded from the beginning
Just like hot loading

[chilly flax]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-dj-dj-cat-wee-music-gif-3527637

[lunar ember]

Yeah that too

[heady girder]

Yeah was planning on doing that

Honestly my biggest concern isn't pulling off the mechanic, but optimizing it so the server/clients don't crash

[lunar ember]

Yeah fair

[steep sky]

....oh you could also do it half life style where only chunks are loaded at a time (actual tiles at least) and each region is culled when no one is in it.

......wait actually that's more like Minecraft actually.

[heady girder]

I could have it so regions disable renders and enemy position syncing for clients that aren't in the region.

I actually wonder if I could mod the enemyAI script to reduce network traffic by not syncing position data to certain clients

[lost dawn]

volcanic region, mountainous region, wooded region, tropical region, industrial region, urban region, tundra region, cavernous region, haunted region, desert region, swamp region

[pliant jungle]

this is basically perfect to go hand in hand with your lethalmin mod 🔥

[lost dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[heady girder]

Updates

Conflux V0.1.6

• Fixed Tree Coliders
• Fixed Water Coliders
• Fixed Water Shader
• Tweaked Terrain Normal Map

[zenith apex]

freaky stuff happening with ghosts

[heady girder]

:O

mod pack code plz

[zenith apex]

one sec

0198f796-8ea5-49a4-3efc-6987d51c66ac

pretty big modpack btw

[heady girder]

I downloaded the LethalParty modpack so most of the mods are already cached lol

also could you hear players that were in the past/future?

[zenith apex]

nope

also a funny interaction with emotes

[heady girder]

alr, just making sure that feature worked

[zenith apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1310686160343007343/1411175803206631526/8mb.video-71X-ZauZWkf9.mp4?ex=68b3b361&is=68b261e1&hm=ac1c91a329618476fa9f7441eb018b73b6d25bfc397273254fdbb8867bd1611d&

they freeze when they get displaced

and look like this lmfao

[heady girder]

XD

[granite shadow]

oh hell yeah

[zenith apex]

more recede shenanigans

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/l00w73NPINboRpHve?invite=cr-MSxPem0sMTc4ODI2MDc0&v=21

[heady girder]

Looks like some mod is breaking the echo ghost effect

That or I messed up with the muting

[zenith apex]

players aren't supposed to talk through text?