Lunar Config

[modern vector]

I did nothing than change 2 values so no

Purple is still using CC

[late wing]

ah

hmm

[modern vector]

That's the only diff

I'll just wait for Crafty to look into the issues with it, I just can't configure dungeon sizes with Lunar Config rn I guess

I do love this config mod a lot, just feels like things keep breaking for me at least all the moon stuff I'm using it for works okay but still ☠️

[ornate harbor]

It's really just stupid issues

Like

if (enabledSettings.Contains("Dynamic Dungeon Size Lerp Rate")) { extendedDungeon.DynamicDungeonSizeLerpRate = configuredDungeon.GetValue<float>("Dungeon Size Lerp Rate"); }

I forgot to add dynamic

That's why this issue exists

[modern vector]

Ahhhh, idk why it was erroring from downsizing the dungeon though

lol

[subtle ingot]

it's ok you're still the goat

[modern vector]

I can send the error that throws if lerp rate is off

[modern vector]

All good, you have to fix the Enemy config breaking when using SDM too lol, that's just a side effect of Raphtalia having to change how they get referenced for compat with DawnLib

[ornate harbor]

Sure

[modern vector]

It seems like it's just failing to set the values

Not sure why it dislikes me lowering the values to 10-11 and fails to set them lol

[ornate harbor]

I guess it just doesn't work...

I'll need to look more tomorrow

[meager whale]

destroy is probably what happens to enemies when they get caught by earth leviathans

yea

pick your artificial food dye

[meager whale]

I've had 0 issues but it's prolly cuz I only mess with display and scan node names and add tags to moons

[meager whale]

on jod

[cunning night]

I don't know if you're planning to add any weather related configs to this mod but if you do, I would love if it included the ability to edit the determining values that each moon assigns to it's weathers (it's the set of numbers that determine things like # of extra enemies spawned by an eclipse, fog density, flooded water levels, weather water rises or lowers, & other things like that)

I'd love to know if I'm wrong about this but AFAIK only one mod ever existed with configs for tweaking those values per moon, but it's ancient and unmaintained: LethalEditor
It was like LethalQuantites before LethalQuantites existed, although terribly optimized and not user friendly, surprisingly though I think it still works(?)

[long kernel]

why are you here
I'm losing it
lunar config is like non-existent
lethalquantities issue all over again
only Central config & Item config generates

[viral knoll]

F

[subtle ingot]

ive been working on a little template for a google sheets interface to edit lunar cfgs and its making my head hurt i hate spreadhseetss

[modern vector]

@ornate harbor Idk if adding tags to moons is working properly or not, I added the Tundra tag to Auralis for example cus it's missing it but enemy skins using ESR that are tagged for Tundra moons aren't applying to it

[meager whale]

ESR does not recognize tags that don't come w the moon

I tried adding custom tags like "Dormin" and other stuff to add skins per moons pack but it does not add them

[mossy tide]

yeah its pretty hard coded

[ornate harbor]

Likely ESR issue

You'll need to talk to them about doing it differently

[meager whale]

"them" and it's xu LOL

[mossy tide]

it'd take a lot of rewriting ESR, and all the needed bits of it are already implemented into DawnLib so other than making sure the mod stays working im not gonna be updating it for more features

[ornate harbor]

Oh I thought it was blaze

[mossy tide]

blaze makes a bunch of skins, the original creator of ESR left a while ago

[meager whale]

yee

[hardy glen]

So, are future skin mods intended to run per DawnLib?

[mossy tide]

should go through there yeah if you're making new skins

automatic support for any future enemies and custom enemies

[ornate harbor]

Do you know if DawnLib would have the same issues as ESR in this case? Not picking up changed tags?

[mossy tide]

i'd see em but depends on your timing of adding htem

assuming addded successfully then yeah

[primal linden]

Hey...
My config is not saving :,]

I changed a lot of things, and now everything is gone

[ornate harbor]

Do you have clear orphaned entries on?

[primal linden]

yeah

[ornate harbor]

Did you disable any mods?

[primal linden]

yeah, I've been doing some mod changes

If I change things, everything resets?

[ornate harbor]

Well any mod you disable will have it's config no longer shown (which is normal), but with clear entries on, it will also delete them from the file

This happens whenever you refresh the config by loading into a lobby

[primal linden]

What happened is that I made changes to the vanilla scrap and some scrap mods, I tried adding another scrap mod, and now everything I modified has been deleted.

is that intended?

[ornate harbor]

No, but it likely was caused by clear orphaned entries, just through some unintended way

[primal linden]

Then it would be best to disable that option?

[ornate harbor]

If something somehow caused a scrap mod to not load it would also trigger clear orphaned entries deletion

[ornate harbor]

Yes, turn it off for now

It doesn't have that big of an impact

In terms of positives

It's just slightly less bloat in the actual file

[primal linden]

I see.
Thanks

Now I'll have to check what I changed :,]

[ornate harbor]

I'm sorry for your loss

[hasty hull]

Hey there are a lot of smart people here, what is the deal with these mods? I heard they are basically just degbugging mods that have kinda been slapped on everything as dependencies. I decided to see what would happen if I disabled all three, and while BepinEx threw errors during startup, the game still booted up and ran like normal. How necessary are these mods for a normie like me?

[long kernel]

idk about monodetours, I heard that mods started depending on it, not just for debugging (I'm looking at u s1ckboy)
about autohookgenpatcher is basically the hookgenpatcher but better in shortly said
might as well disable the hookgenpatcher

[meager whale]

monodetour 1 and 2 are to help devs debug shit for the mostpart

[mossy tide]

autohookgenpatcher is the important one

the rest are mostly irrelevant

and were just slapped onto lethallib in the mighty scenario that they ever help anyone

and i have no idea if they've helped anyone

[sick abyss]

You are living in the past

[dark portal]

TypeLoadExceptionFixer does use the MonoDetour API too

[long kernel]

[solid wing]

is adding changing scrap audio level possible
like this mod

[cunning night]

Any mods out there with configurations for the amount of damage individual enemies deal?

[hasty hull]

I was adjusting item configs today, Clown Horn being conductive is definitely a decision

From the same mind as 11 pound lollipops

[snow estuary]

Is there a way to make it work with coderebirth?

[plush wasp]

Not yet

When the great dawnlib port is done your wishes shall come true

[snow estuary]

W

[mossy tide]

@ornate harbor lemme know if there's places i can help with for that to come faster btw

[plush wasp]

He is busy with irl stuff

[mossy tide]

well i dont think i can help with that part but i did mean the code cheese :p

[plush wasp]

I didnt say it like that 🙁

Was more about slow progress bc of the irl stuff

[mossy tide]

You're slow progess bc of the irl stuff

Smh

[plush wasp]

I am true

[normal quarry]

cheese is.... boolean...?

[plush wasp]

Yes wawawawawawa

[normal quarry]

wawawawawawawa'

[errant bolt]

gemini

[hardy glen]

Hey, so, I am currently testing out Lunar Config and tried playing around with enabling an alias and it does not seem to work.
I set the alias Manor for Haunted Mansion and tried using it to set an interior weight on Experimentation.

What I have done so far:

• I disabled LLL's configuration
• I enabled the Kill Switch on ButteRyBalance
• Checked the central config which has everything enabled
• Set only one other weight above 0, which results in only that interior currently, verifying that the alias is not working

Experimentation Interior weights:
Manor:100000, DeepcoreMines:0, Liminal Facility:0, Storehouse:0, Tower:0, LC Office:0, Fractured Complex:100, Greenhouse:0, Art Gallery:0, Expanded facility:0, Toy Store:0

There is probably something obvious I am not seeing. Can anyone help me out?
-# Everything besides the alias works btw.

[ornate harbor]

Try reading the description for the aliases

[normal quarry]

Aliases cant be changed

They are auto generated by lunar and what it will recognize

Adding another one doesnt do anything

You still have to use level2flow or haunted mansion for weighfs

(And do what crafty said)

[ornate harbor]

(it basically just says that)

[hardy glen]

Good recommendation ^-^'

[jolly badger]

group amount settings will work with interior enemies if i have ventspawnfix, right?

[ornate harbor]

I believe so

[ornate harbor]

Sorry :(

[hardy glen]

Dw, I did read it but kinda just figured that they don't do anything with the game objects but still could be used internally for the lunar configs

Just goes to show that you can try to be as clear and possible and someone might still misunderstand X3

[ornate harbor]

This... Happens a lot lol, so much to where I might just make it actually do that when I port to dawnlib

Some people don't like manors IDs

*Most people

[hardy glen]

Would be pretty cool but not needed. Changing the comment to:
"Changing this setting will do nothing, this is only meant to display the names you can use for configuration in LunarConfig"
might make it a bit clearer too. But it'd probably still have people ask about it X3

[hasty hull]

This actually would be extremely useful for if scrap mods have items with the same IDs, being able to give them custom independent aliases would allow us to still use both

[normal quarry]

That shouldn't be on the user to fix

[hasty hull]

By all means, tell Xu to get off her butt and fix the request I made to her months ago to address Immersive Scrap’s issue with Terra’s Scrap

(Current maintainer of Immersive Scrap)

Terraformer9x has basically left the community so nothing is happening there

[normal quarry]

why are you running both

dont they both add basically the same scraps

[hasty hull]

Oh so now it is my fault

[normal quarry]

youre right

i messed up

uuuh i mean

both of them run on lethallib right

wouldnt lunarconfig show something like this to differentiate them

nvm

the aliases

[hasty hull]

Yeah the identical aliases are the issue

[normal quarry]

yeah ideally the scraps would have something more in their alias to differentiate

[hasty hull]

IS also has a screwdriver which is very similar to the screwdriver in LC Office. They do have technically unique aliases so there not a direct conflict, but being able to use custom aliases so I do not have a “screwdriver” and “screwdriveritem” would make my life easier

[normal quarry]

hmm i see what you mean

this is a really nonspecific name

i thought immersive scraps added i prefix to their names?

[hasty hull]

It’s very inconsistent

Some have I-, some have Immersive-, and some have none

Prior to this mod allowing renaming items, I have to deal with the Anvil saying “ImmersiveAnvil” when you were holding it. Needless to say this mod has helped breath new life into IS

[normal quarry]

i guess as a backup in this situation it would be good if lunar used the config entry name?

like if one of the aliases was just terraformer9x.terrasscrap.briefcaseextendeditem

it would be inconvenient but a backup incase this happens

[hasty hull]

Or just allow programming custom aliases

[normal quarry]

i feel like allowing people to change the aliases themselves would cause more problems than solve

[hasty hull]

That I think is on the user

[normal quarry]

game already doesnt like when you rename a moon

[mossy tide]

that's what DawnLib uses and might be what LC ends up doing, but not exactly, cuz in DawnLib it's terra_scrap:briefcase

[normal quarry]

thats the ideal solution imo

modname:item

[mossy tide]

agreed, which is why its on DawnLib

[hasty hull]

Does this mean I will need to redo all my configs when this mod is ported

[mossy tide]

and dont worry, ill get off my lazy ass and work harder to make sure every single mod user is happy

i dont know

[normal quarry]

does that mean according to dawnlib vanilla items are LethalCompany:Lamp for instance

[mossy tide]

not exactly but close

it's lethal_company:lamp

capitals -> lowercase and spaces -> _

all punctuation is deleted as well

[normal quarry]

gotcha

[mossy tide]

Code Rebirth Wayfarer's Wallet is just code_rebirth:wayfarers_wallet

[weary edge]

Are there any plans to add some kind of global section in the moons config to where you could just edit the values of the global section and it applies to all moons?

[plush wasp]

that would actually be fire ngl

[normal quarry]

That would be cool

[ornate harbor]

The way that'll most likely be done is when I have tag, interior, etc. injection, under wherever I end up putting tag injection, there would just be an 'all' tag, that does every moon

[plush wasp]

Amazing

And maybe if you add something to a specific moon it would override the global tag

[sage spear]

@ornate harbor Important question

Does Lunar fuck with Rebalanced Moons

As in, will Rebalanced Moon's custom scenes appear in its config and cause any issues from that

[normal quarry]

rbm is counted as vanilla moons in config

[hasty hull]

I doubt it should, considering RBM does not change the stats of the moons

[sweet jewel]

can someone explain to me why is this config file empty?

[sage spear]

It's a Gale issue

Downgrade to the last version of it

[plush wasp]

pretty sure thats not gale

[plush wasp]

you gotta open a save everytime you add something new, for the configs to appear

[sage spear]

It is Gale, yes

Happened /w other configs as well

[plush wasp]

what

since when does gale have that thing at the top

[split trench]

That’s not gale, that’s r2modman or thunderstore

[sage spear]

Ugh, why is this happening?

019a4620-540c-1cd1-067f-71dd9dcccbbe

The minimum scrap of Experimentation should be 8, not... 4

[sage spear]

@ornate harbor D’you know anything?

[sweet jewel]

im opening save and its still empty

plus i can't even land on moon with this mod installed it just stuck in ship

[subtle ingot]

still trying to work on a general lunarconfig template in google sheets

i'll probably need to improve my cfg to csv script as well before i release it so i can save face 😭

i basically just want to be able to represent literally every configurable value in a useful way like having a pie chart for scrap or average scrap weight on a moon or showing correlation between scrap weight and value, or rarity and value, or the proportion of two-handeds on a moon, or a moons average scrap yield and you can toggle hives, shotguns, eggs, knives, apparatice, etc

its so much

but ive done a fair bit of it

💪 💪

i hope to finish it before december

(fully expandable btw so you can just import a conifg and it just works)

[plush wasp]

amazing!

[ornate harbor]

It didn't make a really small interior and you don't have any other mods that mess with amount multiplier (like weather tweaks) right?

[sage spear]

No

[ornate harbor]

And it doesn't happen when you remove Lunar?

[sage spear]

I'm going to lose all of my entries if I disable Lunar...

[errant bolt]

copy the configs as a backup somewhere else

[sage spear]

Yeah

Just fine without Lunar

Three items!!

Literally how

@ornate harbor

[ornate harbor]

I really have no clue

Does it print errors or anything?

[sage spear]

Wait a min

Why is it only on custom interiors, specifically Wesley's

CentralConfig didn't do this when I edited these interior's configs either

Literally one increment down for the random min and shit's borked

I have not a clue, man

If anyone has any more info on this please share it with us

[hasty hull]

I cannot say why, but it is a thing that dungeons often break if their random min values are set too low, even if it is a valid value

[subtle ingot]

^^^ yeah this can happen

@sage spear maybe try checking out how large wesley makes the interior on his moons

and just test those values

[sage spear]

Still reproduces the same issue, even with default settings

Is the moon itself...?

[subtle ingot]

not sure sry

[plush wasp]

🌙

[primal linden]

⚙️

[sage spear]

I am LITERALLY unable to work on CC rn because of this shit

Does anyone have an idea of what could be wrong?? 😭

We're getting desperate here

[hasty hull]

Probably more of a Wesley issue, vanilla Mineshaft is still a bit buggy so the interior could just be broken

My guess is you could see if you can increase the map multiplier and the issue goes away after a certain point

[errant bolt]

The Moon needs a hero

[ornate harbor]

So it's not even lunar?

[modern vector]

Lunar Config had a bug for me when trying to resize dungeons which I informed Crafty of

I desperately await the update that has this mod ported to DawnLib with bug fixes

😭

[ornate harbor]

Don't expect much more soon, I just had a bit of time and it's kind of a big problem

Version 0.1.12

Fixes

• Fixed ANOTHER issue where dungeon configuration just wouldn't work.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Crafty/LunarConfig/

Also Kiszony, if you read this I saw the error you posted a while ago, I have no idea why that would be happening there, so I'm sorry, if it happens again can you send the whole log file? It could have been an earlier error causing a later one.

May as well ping him, @long kernel ^^

[long kernel]

It was scarlet devil mansion mischevious scheme to break the lunar config lol

[ornate harbor]

Ah

[earnest raptor]

Hey what if Im having an interior problem on the newest version

[primal linden]

can you elaborate?

[earnest raptor]

no

jk

gimme a sec

stops the round manager when pulling lever

from what I think the log is saying

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/CoolLKK_Group/SCPFoundationDungeonUpdated/

this mod adds a scp and it breaks with lunar config

but I could be completely wrong

[sage spear]

Was this my issue or

[ornate harbor]

It was Lunxara's issue, I'd try again after the update but I don't expect it to have fixed your issue

But who knows maybe it was caused by the same thing

[sage spear]

Unfortunately not, but a fix's a fix nonetheless

[ornate harbor]

A similar issue happened with Scarlet Devil Mansion, hopefully fixed when Lunar gets ported to DawnLib, but that's a while away

[earnest raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cream-sandwich-funny-ice-cream-sandwich-reaction-ice-cream-sandwich-salt-ice-cream-sandwich-yt-ice-cream-sandwich-gif-3599129964206052304

[weary edge]

I'm having trouble with a couple of scrap mods not having their values changed in Lunar when I edit the main mod's weight. I have every one of these scraps as a different value but even if I reset the moon scrap weight it doesn't change. So far Monster Plushies and Lethal things is being effected by this. Any fixes or something I may be overlooking? I'm confused because they worked a few weeks ago but recently its been this way.

[ornate harbor]

Depending on when they change the weights, Lunar might not pick up on it

[digital quarry]

so i'm editing the configs, but nothing is happening. i still get days with 58 scrap. know what could be causing this or a fix for it?

[ornate harbor]

Any logs?
Got 'configure content' on?
Any mods that change that too?

[digital quarry]

i'll check

[digital quarry]

just in case, wheres the configure content switch?

[ornate harbor]

Top of each file

[polar ember]

Been doing stuff with the mod and I'm assuming there isn't a way to stop certain interiors from appearing right?

[plush wasp]

Yes there is

[ornate harbor]

You can just remove the dungeon from all the dungeon lists of the moons that it spawns on

Make sure to enable configure content on all the ones you change, and in LunarCentral disable all the settings you don't plan on using

[digital quarry]

it worked, thanks!

[sage spear]

What's going on this time?

019a670b-f508-64d0-2a7e-d5d87a08f66c

[primal linden]

Check the equation of min/max value in the config desc

Afaik is [itemprice]x0.4

If it's 20, then it's 20*0.4, then min is 8

[sage spear]

I shouldn't have to do that since the value multiplier is at 1

[primal linden]

If 40 is max, then is 40*0.4, then max is 16

[primal linden]

Then something is wrong :']

[sage spear]

IIrc from Crafty's own words

[primal linden]

But seeing the scan, the value multiplier in the moon is not applying

It's still the 0.4

[sage spear]

Nvm I am STUPID

It's 2.5 I put in

Yaaay now it works

So [Time of day]/[Entities that will spawn]

So why is the outside entity curve in the negatives

Below 7 AM

[errant bolt]

Go zeek the answer for that

[hasty hull]

I mean it is -.0000007737, basically 0

Probably generated using a tool

[sage spear]

@lusty lake Do u perhaps have any insight on dis?

[lusty lake]

enemy curve being in the negatives just means that there will be a trend towards less enemies spawning at a particular time of day

notably the outdoor spawn deviation is hardcoded at 3 for all moons

so any time the spawn curve is at -2 or less (deviation of 3 means a random number between -3 and 2 is added to the curve number)

it means no outdoor enemies will ever spawn at that time of day

unless the "curve bonus" of +1 from challenge moons is enough to put it into positives (though this is rare, and could be prevented with a spawn curve of -3)

or unless there's an eclipse, which is actually likely to happen

[lusty lake]

but anyways, because of that spawn deviation, just because the spawn curve is negative doesn't mean "enemies will never spawn"

it's a matter of spawn curve evaluation plus spawn deviation

if the spawn curve says "spawn -7 enemies at 9 AM" and the spawn deviation is 10, then you could get -7 + 9 (randomly generated between -10 and 9), which would spawn 2 enemies

only interior spawns and daytime spawns have variable spawn deviation, which is set on a per-moon basis

[ornate harbor]

@hasty hull I know you were asking about this a couple weeks ago

Also thanks buttery, good to know!

(I just assumed outdoor didn't deviate lol)

[hasty hull]

Ye, good to know

[desert pivot]

This could very much be a me problem since nobody else has posted about it. Either a conflict issue or just me being stupid, but when I try and land on a moon I get stuck on the seed screen and get this error.

[Error : Unity Log] KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'LunarConfigMoons.cfg' was not present in the dictionary.
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) (at <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_001E)
LunarConfig.Patches.RoundManagerPatch.onScrapSpawnPrefix (RoundManager __instance) (at ./Patches/RoundManagerPatch.cs:866)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMDRoundManager::SpawnScrapInLevel(RoundManager)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.TrampolineRoundManager::SpawnScrapInLevel?1131689040(RoundManager)
Dawn.ItemRegistrationHandler.UpdateItemWeights (On.RoundManager+orig_SpawnScrapInLevel orig, RoundManager self) (at ./src/API/Items/.ItemRegistrationHandler.cs:108)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.HookRoundManager::SpawnScrapInLevel?-2095932524(RoundManager)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMDRoundManager::GeneratedFloorPostProcessing(RoundManager)
RoundManager+<LoadNewLevelWait>d__133.MoveNext () (at <83220f1fc337491eba19b3618ec61339>:IL_030D)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <c39a522eee05469b8171a6cfeb646c59>:IL_0026)

I have tried reinstalling the mod and deleting the old configs but it doesn't seem to fix anything

[ornate harbor]

Do you have SCP foundation of Scarlet Devil Mansion?

[desert pivot]

I got scarlet. Is it incompatible currently?

[ornate harbor]

I believe so

[desert pivot]

Is it anything that uses dungeon gen plus. Or just those two specifically?

[ornate harbor]

I'm not sure, I just know those two have caused that issue

[desert pivot]

Alright, thanks for letting me know.

[hasty hull]

LC Office uses Dungeon Gen Plus and works just fine with Lunar

I think SCP Dungeon is out of date

[plush wasp]

there is an updated version

but someone reported is bugged

[ornate harbor]

Yeah someone reported the updated one and the error was the same so I just assumed it was broken for the same reason

[wary wing]

@ornate harbor so most of the force spawns with lunarconfig work, even with coderebirth enemies (which arent picked up on the enemy list)

but for some reason the exceptions are transporters and the shockwave drone

i set them to the spawn list on Lithium but they won't spawn at all

i think its an issue with this mod but to be honest i dont exactly know where to put this

[ornate harbor]

If you're modifying spawns with Lunar, there's a chance it overrides other configurations

[earnest coral]

Question, does LunarConfig have a way to change monster power count/spawns depending on the weather? I don't mean to sound like I'm comparing but Central Config has that ability and wondering if maybe I'm just missing something

[primal linden]

no

[hollow void]

This might be what Earth Leviathans use. From what i recall, they can "kill" invincible enemies such as Jesters or Coilheads, but cannot kill Ghost Girl.

[jolly badger]

So, an earth leviathan can eat another earth leviathan?

[hollow void]

i dont think they can eat each other

they could also eat Forest Giants prior to those enemies being made killable

[jolly badger]

Well, they can eat old bird i believe

[hollow void]

that too

i assume all these enemies can be "destroyed" (What Earth Leviathans do to them, no body, just delete)
And Killing is from normal sources of damage, like a shovel or landmine

Only some enemies are killable, but almost all enemies can be destroyed (Except Ghost Girl and Earth Leviathans???)

[hasty hull]

I noticed a bit of an interesting phenomenon happening with my Items config file. Basically, if I rename an item’s names, it will actually rewrite the entire config for that item. For instance, I renamed the Red soda to “Soda can”, and now there no longer is a Red soda entry in my config, instead there is a Soda can with “sodacan” as a recognized alias. This has happened for modded items too

There is no real harm done by this since all the edits transfer to the new entry, except for how moon loot pools can be screwed up since item aliases can actually be erased through this

I renamed Immersive Scrap’s IClock to “Clock” (I renamed the vanilla clock too so there would be no conflict), and its spawns got changed because I had put “IClock” in my loot spawn strings, and that alias got erased when the item was rewritten

[errant bolt]

this is known, and if you had the setting that clears orphaned entries... it would literally reset everything

[hasty hull]

Ye

I know better than to keep a setting like that turned on

[errant bolt]

WELL.. I-I EXPEECT THINGS TO WORK..

I say, staring at my half functioning mods

[hasty hull]

I still love this mod though, don’t get me wrong

Stuff like this is gonna be finicky almost by nature

[hollow void]

is there uh, any other major incompatibilities?

[hollow void]

I've also made a very interesting discovery
In trying to update my stuff to v73, i found LQ is very broke
With just LQ, none of it's configs apply. Scrap item values remain default, the scraps inside a moon's pool are based on the mod defaults, even the moon descriptions on the terminal dont apply
But, when LunarConfig is present, even without touching anything in the config, it fixes LQ (mostly)
My scrap value adjustments in LQ are re-applied
The scrap counts on moons are accurate again
The moon descriptions on the terminal also come back

How this happens, i dont know
Since from my understanding, LunarConfig doesnt import anything from LQ

[ornate harbor]

LunarConfig is just so great it fixes other mods

[ornate harbor]

Haven't tested anything myself, but I wouldn't expect content imported with DawnLib to be configurable for the time being

[hollow void]

Sounds about right, i dont see any CR enemies in this config

[hollow void]

I'm quite happy to see all the options
Whilst it doesnt have the web UI LQ has, it doesn't really need it either imo
Really, what made LQ handy was stuff like the global spawn multipliers for scraps/enemies that each moon would parent from, per-moon routing prices and per-moon power levels for enemies and such
No other mod supports those kinds of configs, LunarConfig included atm
But i made some feature requests on the Github

Imma hold off on updating my pack to v73 for the moment, but if this stuff manages to get in i would happily move from LQ to LunarConfig for all my stuff in the future

I think i am gonna need to anyways since LQ is kill

[ornate harbor]

I think you're the first one to actually look at the github lol, the readme is default as I just use it mostly for my own branches and version control but I'll clean that up when I update to DawnLib eventually

I also just need to clean it in general like the fact that the main branch is extremely outdated and I never merged it with the actually updated branches

[hollow void]

Ah i see i see

i think more mod devs should nudge their users to put stuff on the github, like Xu has with CR and presumably DawnLib
Its so so much easier to see what issues/incompats are known about and being worked on compared to scrolling through a bunch of discord messages in random channels

[elfin scarab]

Just so you know I am @ornate harbor, same person (it's an odd story), but just wanted to share the farthest Dawn update has made it in like 2 months :D
(All of this works, and with only DawnLib, none of the other previous dependencies that Lunar uses now):

It's just items, but hey it's a start!

[dusty aurora]

Today while editing Moons, I changed the display names of some moons I had in a pack including all the vanilla moons. After 2 restarts, LethalLevelLoader somehow recognized the moons as new moons and completely reset the configuration of those moons. Some moons also recieved extra inteiror/scrap entries from another moon for some reason (I believe only the moons i renamed to a 3 letter name)

Also enemy/scrap names conflict sometimes, especially noticed with Wesley's mods because theres a lot of stuff in there. Ribcages in Dine are replaced with Ribcages from wesley's, some enemies are replaced with Croc variants when the croc moon is installed and Big Bolt is replaced with Big Screw from Gratar if sciencebird's tweaks changed the name of big bolts to that

[elfin scarab]

Changing the display name of things is known to cause issues like that because of how Lunar processes things. Shouldn't be a problem whenever the mod updates to DawnLib (though that's still a while away).

[elfin scarab]

The best way to avoid this is by looking at the appropriate aliases entry in the entries for those items/enemies and using an alias that is not shared with another item.

In the future you'll be able to change the aliases to ensure no conflicts but for now you can't

[hollow void]

The general vibe i am getting from what i've read is to just never mess with the internal names of stuff 💀 it sounds problematic and likely to confuse some other mods

[errant bolt]

One step for mankind

Two steps for lethal company

[subtle ingot]

woah hi

did you lose access to your main?

[elfin scarab]

No I'm fine, just reorganizing discords a bit

[hasty hull]

Good to know the Dawn port is underway!

[hasty hull]

[Error :LunarConfig] An error occured while setting item values, please report this!
System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'LLL - Bee hive (zeekerss.lethalcompany.hiveextendeditem)' was not present in the dictionary.
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_001E at LunarConfig.Patches.RoundManagerPatch.startMod () [0x00130] in ./Patches/RoundManagerPatch.cs:63 [Error :LunarConfig] An error occured while setting item values, please report this! System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'LLL - TZP-inhalant (zeekerss.lethalcompany.tzp-inhalantextendeditem)' was not present in the dictionary. at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_001E
at LunarConfig.Patches.RoundManagerPatch.startMod () [0x00130] in ./Patches/RoundManagerPatch.cs:63
[Error :LunarConfig] An error occured while setting item values, please report this!
System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'LLL - Small gear (unknown.smallgear.extendeditem)' was not present in the dictionary.
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_001E
at LunarConfig.Patches.RoundManagerPatch.startMod () [0x00130] in ./Patches/RoundManagerPatch.cs:63

Whenever I try to go to one of the moons in my modpack, I always get this error

I'm trying to figure out what is wrong since this does not happen in my testing profile but does in my full modpack, so I think there may be a catalyst mod for the error

[hasty hull]

I think it actually has to do with this upon inspection. The “IClock” and “Red Soda” are now back to using their default names again after seemingly adopting their new ones within the config entries. It seems some items do not survive the switch back, like the Beehive (Hive) and TZP. So it seems this quirk makes the rename feature genuinely unstable

I renamed the “Hive” to “Bee hive” and made the I in “TZP-Inhalent” be lowercase, and now the mod cannot find them in its directory

Not sure why it is these items specifically

[elfin scarab]

I still don't know why I thought it'd be a good idea to make a UUID system based on a variable I let you change

Again, shouldn't be an issue in Dawn port because hopefully changing the displayname should not then change Dawn's UUID

[hasty hull]

Hmm

I guess for now then I will just have to change all the items names back

[elfin scarab]

Also I saw some people not really like how it is, would you guys want everything to be in one file, as opposed to how it is now?

[hasty hull]

I like it more how it is now

Makes navigation easier

[elfin scarab]

Moons :D

[primal linden]

agreed

[meager whale]

what do you mean? like the configs?

no please keep them separated

I would much rather only have to modify one or two smaller files than have to mess with a gargantuan one

[hasty hull]

Depending on your modpack the enemies and items config already can get very unwieldy

[meager whale]

ok I might need to do some extensive testing of this

but I might've found the weirdest bug on my pack yet XD

[weary anchor]

Is it about the Chicken Jockey? I was about to report about it not spawning with lunar config

[meager whale]

Nope, but it seems my outside curves are entirely fucked up and it's not something I even touched with lunar config or any other config mod

[weary anchor]

The bug I've found was that neither Herobrine nor Chicken Jockeys spawn with Lunar Config when I was configuring Spawnable Enemies, their names appear in the list with the other monsters in LunarConfigMoons but they don't appear in the LunarConfigEnemies and also won't spawn in game

[hardy glen]

And it is also great for modpacks as you can only include what is needed

[hasty hull]

Ye

OutsideMapObjects is beyond most modspacks, and some may not choose to mess with enemies

[hardy glen]

Exactly

Or not even mess with items besides spawn chances, which are a moons thing

So certainly very useful

[hardy glen]

I dunno where to ask the question but as this is a config mod I figured it is most likely that the people in here will be able to help out.

I am unsure how I can best deal with interior sizes and have some questions regarding them:

• What is Dynamic Dungeon Size and how does the dynamic restriction work? How does it interact with the Interior Multiplier?
• What is "Random Size" and how does it interact with the other two?
• Is there ever a reason to change the map tile size?

As far as I know, Mineshafts (at least the vanilla one, dunno about Wesley's) for example have a tendency to be bigger than a common facility interior, and if I had to guess according to the values LunarConfig fetched, it is because of the random sizes (which would also be slightly lower for Wesley's). Is that correct?

[hasty hull]

Dynamic Size Restriction essentially allows you to set minimum and maximum dungeon sizes. The lerp rate is how much the dungeon is pulled back to the set range, with 100 completely restricting it. It just lets you make it so dungeons are not stupid small or big at the extreme end.

Random Size are two values that both make dungeons larger and introduce size variations between seeds. Making each bigger or smaller will grow and shrink the dungeon, and having a bigger difference between the two will increase the size variation of the dungeon.

Map Tile Size is simply a divider that shrinks the dungeon the higher it is. It is a simpler way to shrink dungeons than decreasing the Random Size values, and is not as prone to altering generation like the Random Size is.

Take these with a pinch of salt, I am not an expert on LC’s backend

[elfin scarab]

(Lerp rate is a decimal percentage, 100% -> 1, 50% -> 0.5, and so on)

Though I don't think anybody has ever used but I think that explanation is correct

[meager whale]

exactly my situation loll

[meager whale]

Also I'll do some more testing soon crafty, but you heard anyone report anything similar? @elfin scarab

Basically got back to back, capped out outside (night) enemy spawns at 8am on experimentation, vow, and offense

I moved my configs out of the profile folder snd into a separate one so they couldn't be read and it stopped happening.

Only thing I've messed with moon-wise in LCFG is, if they're visible on the terminal (didn't change any of that for the vanilla moons), their tags, and the possible interiors

I have not touched any curves in any moon period, modded or vanilla, and the defaults seemed to be the same

Like I said I'll do more testing, it might be some strange mod conflict or anomaly...

[elfin scarab]

Have not heard anything similar

[hardy glen]

Oh! Thanks!

So:

• Dynamic Size restricts the maximum size of the interior to a range between min & max and the Lerp rate determines how restrictive it acts:
  • If 1.5 is the max and your Moon's multiplier is 2, a lerp rate of 1 will set it to 1.5, a lerp rate of 05. will set it to 1.75. Correct?
• Random Size: Simply varies the size of the interior. What would a value of "1" be here though? 1 room or is it a sort of multiplier/percentage?
• I at first assumed the Map tile size would be the thing that made the Manor scale smaller in the v69 update (was v69 no?) but if it is not, how does it differ from the moon's interior multiplier?

Again, thanks a lot already; This already clears lots of things up ^-^

[iron meteor]

If having visuals helps you: I don't remember a whole lot from last time I dealt with interior sizes, but I remember having a post such as Adjective's on reference, setting multiple moons to the same interior but with different size values (and/or constantly changing values and relaunching), and then viewing them with Imperium's freecam to get a good grasp on what the changes can do.

Nothing beats good ol' testing using extreme values when you want to really figure out what something does. ;)

[hardy glen]

Yeah, that's true, just hoped for other people to already have done it as it can be time intensive ^-^

[meager whale]

i'll do some testing if I can today and tell yuo more about it if I find out more

[hasty hull]

• I am not sure on the specifics of the Lerp Rate, all I know for sure is that max value completely restricts dungeons to your value range, and smaller values grant some leniency. iirc the values are essentially max and min size multipliers, so yeah if your moon is outside that range the dungeon will be pulled towards the range
• Many dungeons outright break if the random multipliers are too low, so ymmv on that. Unless you want to really grow and shrink dungeons, do not go too far beyond the default values
• The Map Tile size is indeed the thing that shrinks Manor in vanilla, it was introduced in v50 to make Manor Titan more playable. It has nothing to do with the moon size multiplier, and mainly serves to help you get every interior to each be largely the same size on any given moon

[hardy glen]

I see! Thanks a bunch ^-^

[hasty hull]

Generally the map tile size is the simplest way to shrink over sized dungeons (a huge problem with modded interiors), as it is more precise and not as prone to alter generation compared to random multipliers. For instance, using random multipliers to shrink the vanilla Mineshaft will mainly hit the amount of cave tiles generated, changing the proportion of cave to facility tiles

[hardy glen]

Makes sense

[meager whale]

So I'm testing this, I jumped in with no LCFG thingies on the profile, basically brand spankin new and found no enemies early into the day

Then when I added my LCFG configs I got an 8am earth leviathan on Vow
https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/ly6v9KApnP069oy6V?invite=cr-MSxVTWUsMjYyMzg4OTQx&v=18

Just tried deleting the enemy config only and I got an 8am Eyeless dog on Vow
https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/ly6ApC5ZW0EQi35Sg?invite=cr-MSw4NEIsMjYyMzg4OTQx&v=50

[ornate harbor]

Can I see your moon settings?

[meager whale]

sure thing

oh and btw I tried removing the moon config only and it seemed to work fine, no early spawns

but i didn't check super extensively, i might've missed a stray dog or worm somewhere

[normal quarry]

whats this thing that adds "ship routed to 220 assurance" on the hud

[meager whale]

WeatherAndMoonAnnouncement or something

[hardy glen]

A mod by TestAccount666 if I remember correctly

[meager whale]

yis

[elfin scarab]

I think I see the problem

I have no idea how to fix this

Might you potentially live in a country that uses , as decimal points? i.e. 1,50

Because that is happening, and your curve is becoming like x = 0, y = 6857753

Like here's your Vow outside curve:
Outside Curve = -7,736962E-07,-2,8875 ; 0,6857753,0,7002676 ; 1,005263,5,359401

[mossy tide]

Lol I had that too

I think Spain does this

It's a pretty easy fix, can you show the code where you parse the animation curve into a number

[elfin scarab]

A lot of countries do, I've just never seen it interfere like this before

[mossy tide]

Along with a bunch of others etc ye

[mossy tide]

Oh it does a lot

Any sort of parsing a string into a number

More like anything into a number actually

[elfin scarab]

Damn

Not the right one

That was the inverse sorry:

public string CurveToString(AnimationCurve curve)
{
    return string.Join(" ; ", curve.keys.Select(kf => $"{kf.time},{kf.value}"));
}

[mossy tide]

I think you can give the select method another parameter right?

Smthn smthn cultureinfo

[elfin scarab]

I'm not sure

I don't know what the smthn smthn is ;-;

I can give it a 'selector' parameter

Wait I think that's what I already gave it, nvm

I'm not sure if there is another paramter

[mossy tide]

I'll send an ss soon

Turning on my pc now

[mossy tide]

{kf.time, System.Globalization.CultureInfo.InvariantCulture} try this

also do it for value too obv

did that work for ya @elfin scarab?

[elfin scarab]

Afraid not

Do you think if I were to just .ToString() the numbers would it correctly format them?

Or same issue?

[mossy tide]

oh wait sec, that gives me an idea

the code is right i just wasnt entirely sure where to put the culture thing

.ToString(System.Globalization.CultureInfo.InvariantCulture) doing that to it might do it

[elfin scarab]

That doesn't error so :D

Probably works

[mossy tide]

oh also DawnLib has a thing for this cuz i also convert animationcurves too incase you wanted to use that lol

ConfigManager.ParseCurve etc

[elfin scarab]

I see

[sick abyss]

Pr bepinex

[mossy tide]

i'd rather patch bepinex

which is whats happening anyway

[sick abyss]

And pr lethalconfig too i need my vector2 and vector3 configs

[mossy tide]

i'd rather patch lethalconfig to

too

[elfin scarab]

Version 0.1.13

Fixes

• Fixed an issue that breaks curve configurations on cultures that use commas as decimal points.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Crafty/LunarConfig/

Was hoping not to need to update before Dawn but that's still a while out

I'm not 100% sure if it works, I just know it doesn't break it, so I'll have to wait for @meager whale to confirm :3

[ornate harbor]

Also thanks for the help Xu!

Forgot to say

[mossy tide]

https://tenor.com/view/lenny-confetti-kitty-cat-wiggle-cat-wiggle-gif-4325209336873873565

[meager whale]

yup

decimals use commas

how does this even happen lmaoo

[meager whale]

thanks brotha, I'll test today :J

Do i need to make a new moon config or do I just use the one I sent you

[mossy tide]

by default converters use the pc's locales to convert stuff like this into numbers, which for your computer makes sense but for crafty's code doesnt

[meager whale]

I understood only about half of that but that makes sense ty

[ornate harbor]

Probably need a new one

[ornate harbor]

Is it the same format I already use?

If so I'll probably do that

[mossy tide]

these arent dependent on any format really, other than x1,y1 ; x2,y2 etc

[meager whale]

aight, ty

[remote kernel]

error if I change the names of moons, changes actually apply with no issue

just has this error

[elfin scarab]

.

[errant bolt]

could it be posisble that... some... interior map desyncs have returned... got some on junkrooms justn ow

[mossy tide]

everyone's config the same im assumin?

also what kind of desync? is it between host and clients or every client got smthn different?

[errant bolt]

host and client interior (unsure about seeds but i do have logs but its reaaaally big (i did long test with a friend)), but its weird. ive seen these desyncs before and when it used to happened, the desync was very apparent and immediately obvious. this time, it was only like a singular room that was desynced. very specifically, rooms, walls were different

hard to describe my apologies

lol

[mossy tide]

was it like an interior that has variations like beanie's interiors?

[errant bolt]

iiii actually dont know, its this one specifically
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MrKixcat/Junkrooms/

im guessing not considering its in the roadmap lmao

[mossy tide]

yeah i have no idea honestly lol, if you could find seed you could replicate it pretty easily

[errant bolt]

any keywords to hunt in this 175mb log for... seeds other than "seed"

oh damn i did actually clip it

durrrrr but i uninstalled muh editing software erhhhhhhh imm tired ill send it tomorrow...

[remote kernel]

oh those ones are already kinda jank

ngl id blame the interior

[elfin scarab]

No clue why that might be happening either

[meager whale]

i don't think thats possible even

[elfin scarab]

Would you guys want to add traps to moons like you can add items to moons?

How Lunar works now:

_Landmine File_
Experimentation= 0,0 ; 1,10
Vow= 0,2 ; 1,8

_Turret File_
Experimentation= 0,0 ; 1,4
Vow= 0,3 ; 1,9

What I'm suggesting:

_Experimentation File_
Landmine= 0,0 ; 1,10
Turret= 0,0 ; 1,4

_Vow File_
Landmine= 0,2 ; 1,8
Turret= 0,3 ; 1,9

[hasty hull]

I would like it as per-moon rather than per-trap, it is more intuitive

I usually want to compare a moon’s trap numbers against each other, rather than other moons

[hollow void]

I agree, the 2nd one seems better

[primal linden]

what's the amount for turrets that can appear in for example 1,10?

[hasty hull]

They are coordinates on a graph, with x=0 as the minimum and x=1 as the maximum, and the game randomly selects an x value and uses its y value as the amount of traps that spawn. So with 0,0 and 1,10 as the key points, it would mean 0-10 turrets with a linear graph (totally random). You can add more key points to make the graph non-linear and favor certain ranges, like adding 0.5,3 to the turret graph to make less turrets more likely

[primal linden]

man
I just want a setting to set the min and the max amount of turrets, mines and traps per moon:,]
Is that hard?

[hasty hull]

Just put “0,[min traps] ; 1,[max traps]” and it will work the same as Central Config

If have the Central Config port setting enabled it will literally grab your values and set them for you as described above

Lunar Config is a bit more work but overall is way more flexible, as Central Config forces you to work with a linear curve

[remote kernel]

I mean you can with that pretty easily

just change the last number

that will be the max

[remote kernel]

would it be possible in the future to have a way to universally disable a scrap from the scraps section

since rn id have to go thru my man moons loot pools

[elfin scarab]

You'll be able to do that if the injection update ever gets done

But I might add another option to anyway

We'll see

[wispy cliff]

after some testing I think that LunarConfig modifying interior enemy spawns prevents the Walker from Diversity from spawning. Lunar isn't able to put the Walker back in either, as it's not able to pick it up in its enemy config

[remote kernel]

ive had them both spawn

with lunar

reason they arent picked up btw is bc they use their own system to register them

no LL, LLL, etc

[wispy cliff]

interesting because Walker refuses to spawn for me if lunar has interior enemy spawn configuration turned on. maybe something else is affecting it

watcher spawns fine, only walker I mean

i'll keep testing

[remote kernel]

wait you do know how the walker works now right?

just making sure

he doesnt work like he did back in the day

[wispy cliff]

oh, did he change? I used to play with diversity around v69, and then v70+ for as long as that lasted until it broke in v73. now that it's been updated I'm trying to work it back into my modpack

I'm monitoring the spawns in imperium

[remote kernel]

he doesnt spawn as an enemy

you have to open a tainted door

itll be labeled like "something about this door is off"

or it was something like that

once that door is opened then hell start doing his whole stalking thing

also imperium's spawn predictor has been inaccurate for ages

[wispy cliff]

oh, he still appears in imperium on his own though? at least from my testing, I can see him pop up without me doing anything, even if not stalking. but i guess maybe the doors spawn him regardless? even in situations where imperium doesn't pick him up

also btw i'm not using the predictor, just reading from the currently spawned entity list

[remote kernel]

id still say its being inaccurate haha

but best to see during a playtest

if it really is causing it its prob on diversity's end

so id be reported to chaos

since hes working on a patch rn

[wispy cliff]

yeah, that makes sense

[wary wing]

hey do you know why transporter, janitor, and shockwave drone won't spawn

on the modpack I made for my friends they're supposed to show up on lithium but dont

i used lithium but also filled out their own systems too

[elfin scarab]

Lunar does not support DawnLib content as of yet, and that's most likely why

[wary wing]

see the thing is

[remote kernel]

you have to use their individual configs

[wary wing]

guardsman spawns

[wary wing]

i did

[remote kernel]

so CR and SD respectivly

[elfin scarab]

I'm not sure, Lunar might overwrite to an extent?

[wary wing]

i used both lunar and CR and specifically transporter and janitor don't show up

they're listed on both configurations though

[remote kernel]

ive had those guys show up on moons I edited

[wary wing]

same for shockwave drone

[elfin scarab]

Idk then

[wary wing]

and it's weird because

i did the same for guardsman

and that works fine

but the other 3 don't wanna show up

[remote kernel]

weird thing is they seems to spawn for me

to I didnt edit Eygpt's spawns, I edit other details

it would be overriding it regardless

since configuration is on

if that was the issue

[wary wing]

it might be a problem with lithium specifically cuz that moon also has a ton of other spawns
but I tried setting it to JUST those three and it also still didn't do anything

i could try seeing what happens if I just leave lithium to its base spawns

turn off config for it

[elfin scarab]

Regardless of if some stuff works, and some stuff doesn't, DawnLib is still not accounted/accommodated at all in Lunar's code, so I would just expect it to not work and/or break any DawnLib content, and there's not much I can do until I'm done with the actual DawnLib port.

It shouldn't be terribly long now

[remote kernel]

doing gods work

[elfin scarab]

Just getting held back now due to some issues with DawnLib and dungeons, blame Xu for no Dawn port!!!!

(Don't really)

(I can't afford Xu angry at me)

[plush wasp]

🙏

i hope it goes really well crafty

take all the time you need!!

[weary anchor]

Similar to Razor & emuyia I've been having issues with chicken jockeys and herobrine not spawning on configured moons, I made a github report about it but I'm now not sure whether I was supposed to report it there or here

[remote kernel]

chance it could be because they arent registered with a library like LL or LLL

they just use bepinex

just a guess tho as ive seen other enemies like that have weird issues

at least for herobrine im talking ab rn

[weary anchor]

Yeah both of them use bepinex, though Herobrine did appear in the LunarConfigMoons spawnable enemy list

[remote kernel]

actually same for jockey

[remote kernel]

so I assume this is an issue of how lunar deals with enemies that dont use a library

[weary anchor]

Alrighty, good to know

[elfin scarab]

Will also be picked up after Dawn update

Apparently DawnLib can pick up non-library content

[remote kernel]

have noticed a strange issue

so this moon adds a hoarding bug varient https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DemonMae/Espira_moon/

its a ghost, its not a skin its registered as a seperate enemy

even shows up as a seperate enemy in LUN Config

but they seem to spawn on moons where Hoarding bugs have weight

even if they the hoarding spirit isnt assigned to a moon

@ornate harbor since it seems your other account isnt here anymore

[ornate harbor]

Yeah I switched back

The aliases may be conflicting

It's not something you can change I'm afraid

Not until Dawn port

[remote kernel]

just wanted to make sure it was known

no problemo

[ornate harbor]

Could you tell me what the appropriate aliases are for Hoarding bug and the spirit one?

[remote kernel]

oh wait I found how to fix it

turns out yeah the Hoarding spirit also had hoarding bug's secondary alias

[ornate harbor]

If you use one only hoarding bug has, you should be able to avoid it

[remote kernel]

removed it and that should be fine now

[ornate harbor]

Removing it won't do anything

You can't change aliases, that's only something after Dawn port

[remote kernel]

ah ok

[ornate harbor]

Oh, I thought they would have been different names

Well that kind of sucks, sorry

Yeah you can't fix that till Dawn port

When you can change aliases

[remote kernel]

no biggie

easy fix once that comes out

[ornate harbor]

Yeah

Well thanks for letting me know anyway 👍

[hasty hull]

We all pray for the Dawn Lib port 🙏

[hollow void]

I check here daily for it

[ornate harbor]

It's coming I promise

Like at most a month away

[errant bolt]

Patience. Like a blossom in the wind. Like a butterfly to a bee.

[plush wasp]

wow thats really fast ngl

i hope it goes really well

take all the time that you need

no need to rush nor to stress

[ornate harbor]

Cheese it's been like two and a half months

[errant bolt]

nothing wrong about that lol

the impatient may seethe

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/782768383938658335/1286801018390188053/caption.gif?width=375&height=597

[meager whale]

truth nuke

[plush wasp]

really?

how time flies

feels like it was yesterday

[ornate harbor]

You're in a coma cheese

Wake up

[plush wasp]

just a month away!!

im so excited!!!

i know your food will be delicious Crafty

[ornate harbor]

Making anything you want buyable in the shop works on Dawn port!

Config File

[plush wasp]

thats so COOOOOL OMGGG

PEAK

hey crafty

will dawnlib port have hazard weights and weather-interior multipliers?

unless the hazard thing is already in

i mean the like uhm graph, the one rebirth uses

[ornate harbor]

Lunar already does use the same graph rebirth does

I think?

[plush wasp]

amazing

[ornate harbor]

But multipliers are the 'injection' update, not planned to come out with Dawn I'm afraid tho :(

[plush wasp]

fair

but then will dawnlib port fix coderebirth issues?

[ornate harbor]

Coderebirth issues?

[plush wasp]

like

from what ive heard you cant edit coderebirth things with Lunar right now

maybe it was a bug or a misundertanding

but i remember a few saying that

[ornate harbor]

It's probably because it's Dawn?

I wouldn't expect anything DawnLib related to work with Lunar

At least 100% work

Though hopefully it will fix whatever is going on after the update

[plush wasp]

lets hope!!

im so excited

i honestly dont even know what the dawnlib port will give us

but im still so hyped

[ornate harbor]

Some new features I can say...

[plush wasp]

peakest peak of peaks

[errant bolt]

actually does dawn handle cruiser price at all?

i imagine it could and would, thought it started with vehicles

[mossy tide]

should be fine

or well, should be able to edit it

[hasty hull]

Being able to edit Cruiser and Ship Upgrade prices is the one thing this mod is really missing imo so that is epic

[thorny bane]

moving this here, but ive had an issue with lunarconfig which makes my ship doors not open when landing on a moon. this appears in my logs but LC doesnt generate the moons config file

the only config files that generate are the item and the control configs

if i try pasting them from another instance my game just crashes

[jolly badger]

For some reason Lunarconfig breaks mattyfixes rotations and if you turn off item configs will work again.

[remote kernel]

In LC or Matty

[jolly badger]

Matty

[ornate harbor]

I don't know if it's the same errror but Scarlet Devil Mansion and an SCP interior completely break Lunar, so I'd check first if you have either of those

[ornate harbor]

What do you mean by breaks? Will it actually error from either of the mods? Or will the item rotations just silently not work?

[jolly badger]

Silently not work

[thorny bane]

it was scarlet devil mansion, thank you

kinda disappointing that they're not compatible but oh well

[sage spear]

What is a, "spawn deviation"

[sage spear]

Since the format is this

E.g. like, what time of day is 0

[remote kernel]

I think its bc of how they register the enemies

[sage spear]

WHY ARE ENTITIES SPAWNING SO EARLY

I set the spawn curve to thissssssssss (As a test)

What are we doing wrong

[mossy tide]

the graph you sent is still really big even early on

[sage spear]

Wdym?

[mossy tide]

the two coordinates that matter at 0, -1 and 5, 10, the rest dont do anything afaik since they're below 0 for both sides

[sage spear]

How are we supposed to make entities not spawn so early then? E.g. if we wanted entities to not spawn before noon, then slowly increase by then, and shoot up at dusk, what would we write...?

[mossy tide]

i know lethal is a bit weird from where it starts, i dont actually know if the graph takes 6am as the start of the day, but i think i remember it does

[lusty lake]

x=0 is 6 AM

x=1 is 12 AM

[mossy tide]

thanks, i thought so but wasnt sure

[lusty lake]

everything in between is 18 hours of time

[remote kernel]

side note but isnt imperium's predictor like really inaccurate

[lusty lake]

having stuff below negative is important because the spawn deviation can add/subtract from the value

[mossy tide]

oh right that too

[lusty lake]

if a moon has a spawn deviation of 5, you need y=-4 to prevent monsters from ever spawning at that time

[mossy tide]

so you'd need -3 for outside enemies curve

[sage spear]

What would 0.5 be?

[mossy tide]

so you've got 18 hours in normalised time
and you want for the first 33% of the day nothing to spawn
then you gotta do like
0, -3 ; 0.33, -3 then go up from there for spawning upwards from noon

[mossy tide]

3pm

[lusty lake]

0.5 * 18 = 9

[sage spear]

Ohhh ok

[lusty lake]

6 + 9 = 15 (or 3 PM)

[sage spear]

Why's Experimentations outside curve in the negatives if it doesn't matter then :d

[lusty lake]

how negative is it

outdoors always has 3 as spawn deviation

so you need y=-2 to 100% prevent stuff from spawning

[sage spear]

Lowest is -7,-2

[lusty lake]

-2.997

which prevents enemies from ever spawning

[mossy tide]

yep, since the outside deviation of any moon is always -3

[lusty lake]

even if the highest random number generates from the spawn deviation

(it's a range from -3 to 2)

[mossy tide]

its not configurable by the moon maker (including zeekerss) per moon unlike outside and daytime

[lusty lake]

it will always be -0.997 or less, which is truncated to -0 (or 0)

meaning no spawns

[mossy tide]

oh 2 not 3? whoops, then yeah you'd want -2 not -3 in what i said earlier

[sage spear]

Does every moon have its own unique spawn deviation or is it set for daytime and indoors too

[lusty lake]

no you are correct that the outdoor spawn deviation is hardcoded at 3

but the calculation is random.next(-spawn deviation, spawn deviation)

and max is exclusive

so spawn deviation = 3 means range of -3 to 2

[mossy tide]

yeah i realised it was exclusive when you said that lol

[lusty lake]

moons define their own indoor/daytime spawn deviations

outdoors is hardcoded at 3 for all moons

[sage spear]

Oh ok

How would one calculate the time of day on the chart

E.g. how would you know what time 0.25 would be

Also what does the 15 in 0,15 mean

The x coordinate is the time but what does the y coordinate refer to specifically in terms of the entities

What would 15 mean lol

[lusty lake]

substitute 0.5 for 0.25 here

[lusty lake]

0,15 means "at 6 AM, 15 enemies spawn on average"

[sage spear]

Wait, why did everything just not spawn at noon then

The Oracle stated there was a hoarding bug at noon and bunker spider at 3 pm

What even is the point of the probability range, anyways... We know what it does, but if we just keep it off, and let the spawn curve do its thing, will it rlly affect gameplay that much?

[mossy tide]

the probability range is to provide randomness, cuz this 4 is anywhere from -4 less enemies or +3 enemies to spawn when it tries to spawn from the y-value of the curve

[sage spear]

?? Lunar states it would add to entity count

Why does it detract now, and how

[mossy tide]

thats just how base game works

[sage spear]

So is Lunar just wrong then, stating a range of 0-5 entities would spawn

So technically would it be, if the spawn curve has two entities per hour, -4 to 2?

[mossy tide]

-4 to 4

wait lemme think im doing something else rn

[sage spear]

Why is this 2 then instead of -3 to 3

[sage spear]

Mk

[mossy tide]

it'd be -1 to 4

[mossy tide]

the code that zeekerss uses, you give it a min and max (-3, 3) and it returns a number from -3 to 2, it always removes 1 from the max

it makes sense in what the actual use of that code usually is

[mossy tide]

a range of 3 gives you -3 to 2, then a curve of +2 gives you -1 to 4

[sage spear]

Where is the initial 2 coming from

Or is that just standard

[mossy tide]

the probability range of 3, means anywhere from -3 to 2, im assuming thats what you mean?

[sage spear]

Yes, where does the 2 come from, since the -3 comes from the probability range

and the +2 comes from the curve itself

[mossy tide]

thats just what a range of 3 means, from -3 to 2, a range of 4 would mean -4 to 3

etc

just always deduct 1 from the max

[sage spear]

Ohh ok

Is our note accurate then

[mossy tide]

yes

[sage spear]

Alright, tyy

[mossy tide]

that would be correct

[sage spear]

This is my outside spawn curve

Why did an eyeless dog spawn so early?

[mossy tide]

outside dogs are part of the outside pool

which has a range of 3

hence, with your 0

the game has a chance to spawn -3 to 2 during the start of the day cuz of that

[sage spear]

Figured that out... replacing the 0 with a three fixed it, lol

Getting somewhere with these three spawn curves

Don't ask about what's exactly spawning outside, we'll address that...

[sage spear]

How come you can't edit kidnapper foxes via Lunar Config

You can edit vanilla, custom, and hell, even lasso just fine, so like

Ok this is fucking with us.

So Experimentation's max landmines are 12, right

-0.003082275,0 ; 0.8171924,1.748332 ; 1.000219,11.761

What part of this chart dictates that

and why are there multiple nodes if it's just choosing a random number

[mossy tide]

the game makes a random number from 0 to 1

it assigns that number to the x-axis of the curve

and then it grabs the y number's equivalent of that x number in that curve

ill try to get a visual representation

if the game comes up with 0.9, then it generates 4 landmines (assuming this is the landmine graph, it isnt though)

[sage spear]

So this node here would roll how many landmines?

[mossy tide]

1

but the nodes themselves dont matter

it's not node based, the nodes are just for drawing the curved line itself

what matters is looking at what the x-axis shows (if the game rolls 0.5 in this instance)

which would correspond to 1 on the y-axis

[sage spear]

So what we're gathering from here

The first node is where 0 will spawn, the second node is where two will spawn, and the final node is where 12 will spawn

[ornate harbor]

Yes, and their placements on the x make it not an even distribution

The curve looks like this (just yknow more curve shaped), where most of the time, you'll get somewhere between 0 and 2 mines, then on an odd day you might get higher numbers between like 2 and at the highest reaches 12

[sage spear]

So to make it totally random, would you have one node be 0,0, and the other node be 1,12?

[ornate harbor]

That would give you somewhere between 0 and 12 mines, equal odds for each number

[sage spear]

Wdym equal odds for each number

[ornate harbor]

Well like you're just as likely to get 1 mine as you are to get 11

Etc.

[sage spear]

Oh ok we'll just do that then

Idk why hazards aren't totally random to begin with

[mossy tide]

because its not fun having an equal chance of getting 12 mines as getting 1 mine

which is why zeekerss just makes it super rare

[sage spear]

We decided against that but kinda went in the opposite direction
We'll see how it goes but this should make less than 6 mines less common and 6 or greater mines more common

Are we thinking correctly

[mossy tide]

yes that would be what you've just made

[sage spear]

Just saying, Experimentation mainly has the Office so that's why we made mines are more common here

12 mines here is like nothing

Bruh

[sage spear]

The horror

[twilit crypt]

@ornate harbor ok so i just recently learned that if the unused min/max value limit for moons has a higher minimum number than maximum, this prones the moon with that set up that way to stop loading often, and you get stuck in the seed screen

so basically, im asking if lunar can let you change it, just in case youre configuring a moon like this

like, you download it, and it has this issue by default

also i dont understand why thats a thing that happens in the first place if its an unused variable

of course you should write that the variables do not effect anything, but is an option for that one niche thing

[mossy tide]

Lol

Crafty, disregard

[ornate harbor]

So it's not related to the values purple mentioned?

[mossy tide]

No there's no such thing

[ornate harbor]

I'm... Pretty sure they exist? They're just unused

[ornate harbor]

Doesn't LLL let you do that?

[mossy tide]

They exist but are unused so they can't cause any issues

[ornate harbor]

So what about scrap spawning is at fault?

Nvm I read what you said

[hollow void]

https://tenor.com/view/juan-gif-19944940

But but but but i want it now

jk, take your time and all!

In the meantime i got the ror2 dlc to play

[hasty hull]

Being able to re-implement those values would be cool, it would help us control the average profit of moons without a ton of trial and error

[meager whale]

there's a mod for that already, lemme check

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/WhiteSpike/Moon_Scrap_Limits_Patch/

unless i completely misunderstood, lol

[hasty hull]

I just am not sure this works with Lunar

[hidden basin]

is there a way to configure the interiors chance to generate on a moon in the interior settings insetad of the moons settings? I like having an equal chance of every interior to spawn on every moon for variety, yet with how it is currently I'd have to copy the settings for every single moon in my pack which would take a while

[remote kernel]

people voted on per moon haha

they had asked earlier in development if I remember right

[hidden basin]

so no other setting? :(

[remote kernel]

I think they said maybe in the future there would be an option but at the very least way after the dawnlib update

[ornate harbor]

It's a feature I'm considering adding but not a priority at the moment

[hidden basin]

I'll keep an eye out for it, thanks

[lilac finch]

Hey all, I don't have any Lunar Config files generated after running the game. Any advice?

[remote kernel]

do you have scpdungeon or scarlet devil mansion

[lilac finch]

Nope, neither

[lilac finch]

I have code rebirth if that matters?

[remote kernel]

no

send your profile code

[plush wasp]

Mantif

[lilac finch]

019af13e-bb3e-277f-0805-4bde6554ef46

[remote kernel]

rip the goat 😥 (the moon, not the interior, that interior can die in a hole)

[remote kernel]

additional content framework 💀

[lilac finch]

I am very new to modding LC, what's the problem?

[remote kernel]

its an extremely old api that is not maintained

[lilac finch]

Ah I see, I don't even remember installing it. Thanks a ton for the help

[remote kernel]

thats not the only issue

[lilac finch]

Oh

[remote kernel]

019af144-154b-7374-11a7-52fca4a59b35 this trimmed all the shit that should be broken, also you have a bunch that could be trashed bc 1 mod covers it all if youd like

also

the screen resolution fixed

use lcultrawide

since you have it

[lilac finch]

Oh gotcha

[lilac finch]

I really really appreciate it

[remote kernel]

set res here

[lilac finch]

Heard

Will do

[remote kernel]

and yeah a lot of the qol mods you have are covered by general improvements

[lilac finch]

I figured there was some overlap, I haven't taken the time to sit down and iron everything out yet

But that's good to know

[remote kernel]

also I do know the issue you had btw

You had both ACF and Dull Interiors

ACF is in DULL now

[lilac finch]

Oh duh, my bad, I didn't even catch that

[lilac finch]

Hey I apologize, for some reason it's still not generating. Anything else I should try?

[errant bolt]

do you load a lobby before checking? I just tried and its all there with your pack

[lilac finch]

Oh shoot I did not know I needed to load a lobby for it to generate

Running it now

[errant bolt]

🔥

I guess as a sidenote, if you have issues with brutal company minus extra reborn, its probably an incompatibility with mimics which remains unsolved ? i believe

[plush wasp]

Mimics-brutal-mirage

3 way incompat

[errant bolt]

thaaats the one mr cheese knows... which he has all 3 of

[lilac finch]

Gotcha, I was already thinking of axing brutal. That helps

[lilac finch]

Mimics and mirage are incompat?

[remote kernel]

nono

Mimics-brutal company minus extra reborn-mirage

[lilac finch]

Oh understood

[ornate harbor]

Like it's only an issue if you have them all

You'd be surprised how often there's some three-way incompat

[plush wasp]

Whaaat

There is more????

[ornate harbor]

I remember something with CentralConfig a long time ago

Probably fixed by now

[plush wasp]

i know there was an issue with LQ, Moonswept and something else, but we were never able to find out what the other thing was

because just the 2 worked great

but on a modpack it would ruin everything

[gaunt marsh]

so uh... was gonna check lunar config to see if it'd be worth swapping off lethal quantities when i regrettably port to 73, but i can't even land on a vanilla moon lol. Fresh profile, only downloaded lunar + its dependencies. Just tells me "at least one player is loading a custom (how???) moon"

[remote kernel]

you need LLLU

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/pacoito/LethalLevelLoaderUpdated/

[gaunt marsh]

oh, thought i didn't since it wasn't a dependency, will get it then

also looking at some of these settings... i have no idea what some of these even are

vertical toilet

[remote kernel]

example: spike traps should snap to walls when being placed

so the look less goofy

[gaunt marsh]

oh

spawn curves lookin like a nightmare to redo ...

[remote kernel]

then just dont imo

you really dont need to touch them imo

[gaunt marsh]

that would ruin the purpose of the modpack

(im testing lunar on a separate profile though)

[remote kernel]

how?

[gaunt marsh]

because then the balance is completely ruined lol

my spelling is exquisite today

[remote kernel]

but HOW is it ruined, too hard or too easy

[gaunt marsh]

anyways the moons are randomly put in categorized order so their default values would be inaccurate

categorized as in a theme

i.e. lava moons, snow moons, forest moons etc

start from first moon make way down to last one, but obv the default difficulties vary so i had to adjust them

anyway i'm sure i can figure that out but the scrap and enemy spawns... uhhh idek

i mean you cant really pull that data from mods

i dunno what modded enemies/scrap are called internally and no idea how i'd find out

[remote kernel]

oh scrap and enemies are easy

[gaunt marsh]

well, vanilla yeah cause i know them but, modded ones i don't know their names

[remote kernel]

tho keep in mind

any dawnlib enemies cannot be configed in lunar yet

so shockwavedrone and code rebirth

[gaunt marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-cat-is-d-fall-cute-pet-gif-16272929

[remote kernel]

you gotta use their own configs

[gaunt marsh]

well i dont have SWD but i do have code rebirth

paigony

is there any way to find out what the internal name of modded scrap/enemies is? otherwise im kinda unable to use this since i'd have to remove all of that and that's not happening

[remote kernel]

it will support dawnlib next update as its swapping to that as its main api

[gaunt marsh]

will that break things? as in i should just not touch lunar yet until that update is out?

[remote kernel]

I dont see why you would have to remove themt tho? idk the names are clear to me

[remote kernel]

nothing breaks

[gaunt marsh]

they aren't most of the time. vanilla example being thumpers being internally called crawler, a modded enemy/scrap may have a different name too

[remote kernel]

idk wtf modded ones you got, all of them have the same name for me

[gaunt marsh]

I don't know either, that's why I'm asking if there's a way to tell

[remote kernel]

this shouldnt be a problem in the first place is the thing

[gaunt marsh]

other than just... trial and error

[remote kernel]

at least all the popualr modded enemies name dont differ

only things im not really sure on is wesleys ones but im not changing his enemy spawns

[gaunt marsh]

i mean, if you type "thumper" in the enemy spawn it's not gonna work cause that's not what it's called internally. I'd just like to avoid that but idk if any enemy/scrap mods have weird names, from the sounds of it all i can do is just stare intensely at the game and see if they actually spawn or not after several tries

[remote kernel]

thats the thing im saying is modded ones dont have the issue, only vanilla, unless you got some really weird obscure one

[gaunt marsh]

unsure. I have a list of them but some are outdated and appear to be abandoned so those will get removed

[remote kernel]

example

[remote kernel]

oh any enemy not updated for v73

is busted

100%

no ifs ands or buts

[gaunt marsh]

is this showing the internal names of stuff? im aware editing it does nothing but if this just shows the names that makes this a lot easier

[remote kernel]

the first name is what I use for setting spaws

GiantKiwi:100, etc

[gaunt marsh]

so, yes, this is internal names then. I assume modded stuff also shows up with these?

[remote kernel]

yes but most modded ones should match

[gaunt marsh]

no harm double checking since reloading the game stinks