Lunar Config

[late wing]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-cat-shock-cat-itsnotmykla-cecesrhaccc1-gif-6015094870634057654

[ornate harbor]

I mean it makes sense

But I'll see if Wesley/Jacob have anything to say

[modern vector]

What a gif to explain how clueless you are

lol

[late wing]

i mean if the term lerp is used correctly then what i said would make sense

it likely also lerps to minimum if the value is too low

[ornate harbor]

Also, the dynamic dungeon size min/max are settings that CC lets you touch, but it doesn't let you touch whether or not dynamic restriction is even enabled, and most interiors I've seen have it disabled... so do they just not do anything in CC?

[twilit crypt]

well

i suppose its time then

@ornate harbor if i had to guess CC forces them to work

[hollow cedar]

The transferring hell occurs now

[modern vector]

What purple said it probably forces it, CC does a lot of brute force methods on things which are why people have so many issues with it

Overly invasive, brute forces things it shouldn't, etc

[twilit crypt]

also i thought i gave understanding for the random size min/max

at least, good enough

[hollow cedar]

speaking of new features i thought i heard before that this would be coming to lunar but are injectors planned in any way?

[plush wasp]

Yes

[hollow cedar]

W

i wanna get out of CC hell but i need global scrap injector

[hasty hull]

I am not a dev, so take what I say here with a pinch of salt, but here is how I understand it:

• dynamic restriction allows you to place upper and lower bounds on how big a dungeon can be. Lerp rate is presumably how strict this is (max value will force dungeons to stay completely in the range and lower values allow some wiggle room), min and max are the sizes (I think the same as moon sizes, so 1.0, 1.8, 2.3, etc.) the dungeon is limited to
• Random size min and max are values each dungeon uses in its generation. Making them lower makes the dungeon smaller and vice versa, and having a bigger gap between the two makes dungeons have a bigger size variation between seeds
• Map tile size is a flat divisor used to shrink the dungeons (higher value means smaller dungeon), it was introduced in v50 to make Manor Titan more playable

In essence, the dynamic size restrictor sets upper and lower bounds to dungeon size, random multipliers influence dungeon size and variation, and map tile size is a straightforward way to shrink oversized dungeons (a big problem with modded dungeons)

[ornate harbor]

I'm still not sure why it's happening but after reproducing the issue, I found that the dungeon desync between clients and hosts only happens if you change the interior multiplier from it's default value

It doesn't actually have to do with the interiors you allow ot spawn on the moon

So I'll probably update the descriptions and keep working to find out why this happens

I'd assume the client just uses the vanilla multiplier while the host generates with the correct one, but as to why I have no idea

Version 0.1.6

Fixes

• Moved the 'warning' to the correct setting after some further issue diagnosing.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Crafty/LunarConfig/
-# Also I realized the changelog on this update is wrong but I'm not going to upload the package again to fix it

Hopefully the next version will be more than just a bandaid fix for this

[normal quarry]

This was an issue with LQ as well

The solution people used for that was to apply per-interior scales per moon

[plush wasp]

⬆️

[normal quarry]

Idk how it worked differently in code but it worked

Might be better to apply that method instead of the current one

[ornate harbor]

How do you mean?

[normal quarry]

lemme open my lq config

[normal quarry]

in LQ people did this to get around the desyncs

[ornate harbor]

Interesting

But the issue is present in LQ too?

Even now?

[normal quarry]

yes

if you use map size multiplier

not if you do it for each flow

[rancid idol]

does editing the moon grade, moon description and moon name work?

and do the health and killable options work for enemies?

[mossy tide]

The enemy creator needs to implement death for it to work properly but health probably works

[rancid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-tears-gif-22270923

okay thanks lol, none of those options worked for me but im too low on time to figure it out on my own

[ornate harbor]

Did you make sure to check the 'configure content' at the top of the entries you modify?

[rancid idol]

yes, everything is enabled in the central config and for their respective entries

wait

[granite heart]

central config like the mod!?

[rancid idol]

it might be because run late was enabled. my fault for being lazy ❤️ ill test it out again

[rancid idol]

DURRR

[rancid idol]

okay yeah sorryyyyy my bad, all works except some of the enemy health stuff but not too fussed about that

[ornate harbor]

What enemy was it?

Health should work, death as xu said only works properly if you're turning it off

[rancid idol]

blob !

but yeah i suspected it wouldnt serve as a replacement for the everything killable mod. but it served as a replacement of 3 or 4 other mods i had installed and even works where those other ones didnt. super handy it took the LLL values on its own too, saved me a lot of time... it changed/added some scrap items on some moons but i just pasted it back in from a document i made to keep track of everything neatly. its an awesome mod

[ornate harbor]

Yeah as blob isn't killable normally it won't be with this mod, and thus changing it's hp won't do anything

[modern vector]

@ornate harbor

Looks like it got mad I disabled Configuring Items?

lol

Still broken even if I enable that

I shall roll back to 0.1.4 for now then

I think this explains a lot though, we ran into a few issues today trying to land the ship where it stack traced about item min value stuff and it probably originated from this

[modern vector]

Btw @ornate harbor Do you plan to implement the ability to allow enemies to spawn in pairs?

[plush wasp]

wa

what an specific feature hehe

[modern vector]

It's cus I just wanna configure barbers through Lunar Config instead of another mod for example

[plush wasp]

doesnt barberfixes do that tho?

ignore me

heheheeh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265636854431219772/1297946528643809385/silly.gif

[ornate harbor]

Was it the same errors when you enabled it?

And did rolling back to 0.1.4 fix it?

[ornate harbor]

I see the issue

I didn't change the error message when I copy-pasted that section x)

It's actually to do with the dungeons

And the fact I didn't give them a 'Configure Content' like any other entry

Well thanks leme do that

Version 0.1.7

Features

• Added group spawn count value for enemies.

Fixes

• Fixed the changelog.
• Fixed an issue where trying to configure advanced dungeon properties would not work.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Crafty/LunarConfig/
Added the spawn count thing since it takes like 2 seconds

I'm not 100% sure if that setting will work by itself though

It may be something that went unused

[rancid idol]

this mod prints out a failed to parse walker warning after loading a moon when i try to use it to configure the spawn rates of the walker from diversity and it doesnt appear in the enemies config either. does this mean it doesn't control their spawn weights at all?

[mossy tide]

diversity stuff doesnt use stuff from base game so im not surprised

[rancid idol]

alright thanks, time to find a work around i guess...

[ornate harbor]

Diversity seems not to use LLL or LL, so it's added content won't be recognized

@mossy tide do you know if DawnLib just grabs all enemies so it would pick up like diversity?

[mossy tide]

ye i do grab all enemies, thing is, i dont think diversity actually uses EnemyType or EnemyAI

ill check rq

[ornate harbor]

Welp, not really much I can do then

[mossy tide]

yea

[rancid idol]

All good, i thought of a workaround ill setup when i wake up

[mossy tide]

okay i do pick it up, just checked

[primal linden]

Even though it hurts me, I'm on the verge of uninstalling Diversity, and I'm going to replace the spawn rate of the Walker to the Mistress.

[plush wasp]

I already made that decision

[raven edge]

makes sense it'd pick up the walker but afaik it's the watcher that's weird isn't it?

not the walker

and I don't see the watcher in that list

[rancid idol]

yes muh alternative method doesnt pick up walker either, but it is a worthy sacrifice for at least the walker. as a totally professional non-dev and 0 experience coding, sacrifice is all i know ! soon, my vision will be fulfilled...

[modern vector]

I ended up removing it, cus GraphicsAPI kept causing Shadow Rendering errors that would lag the game

[gaunt marsh]

Diversity is extremely dated sadly. I'm not sure if it'll be updated for a good while since iirc the dev is working on a game

[modern vector]

The dev is MIA period rn

[gaunt marsh]

Mia?

[plush wasp]

Missing In Action

[modern vector]

Missing in Action

[plush wasp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265636854431219772/1297946528643809385/silly.gif

[gaunt marsh]

I have no idea what that means

[modern vector]

He hasn't been around for several months, not even posting info about working on his game

He's been busy iRL as far as I know

[gaunt marsh]

Ah

[modern vector]

@ornate harbor Looks like Lunar Config doesn't like Heavy Item SCPs' update

[ornate harbor]

Hm, seems that means the enemy does not have an "EnemyAI", which I guess I should check for

I use that just to get the hp

[modern vector]

Ahhhhh

[ornate harbor]

Just made it so he won't have that option to configure :p

[ornate harbor]

Scan nodes working :D

[meager whale]

HE IS NOT THE THINKER

https://tenor.com/view/bro-thinks-hes-the-thinker-bro-thinking-bro-really-thinking-smartass-smart-gif-27381331

[ornate harbor]

Items too! (The description doesn't quite work if the item has a value, as it'll override it)

[twilit crypt]

my name is edwin

i made the mimic

[ornate harbor]

Version 0.1.8

Features

• Added various settings around scan nodes for items and enemies.

Fixes

• Fixed an issue where configuration would not generate if an enemy did not have an EnemyAI.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Crafty/LunarConfig/

[meager whale]

https://tenor.com/view/twitter-duck-smoke-smoking-twitter-duck-gif-1365401141084093497

it's so fucking peak

thank you crafty

[ornate harbor]

NOOOO

[gloomy trellis]

What does the thinker do?

[ornate harbor]

He thunked

[gloomy trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scratch-gif-26163158

[twilit crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/edwin-fnaf-mimic-my-name-is-edwin-skeleton-gif-8842297121925121189

[hasty hull]

Does this mod apply any of its own patches to vanilla functions? For instance, in vanilla indoor spawn vents do not support enemies spawning in groups, and changing a moon’s time multiplier can screw up how quota days are deducted? Does this mod fix those, or do Buttery’s VentFixes and Whitespike’s Time Patcher need to be installed?

[ornate harbor]

It doesn't really touch anything besides the properties themselves... so yes

I just knew that CC did mess with some stuff, and that ended up causing some incompatibilities and I didn't want to run into the same issues

[hasty hull]

I would agree with that

[ornate harbor]

I should probably add notes to those settings tho

Saying they need them

I'm just not 100% sure all the ones that don't work by themselves (and mods to fix it)

[ornate harbor]

Version 0.1.9

Fixes

• Fixed an issue where changing the interior multiplier would cause desyncs in interiors. (Finally!)

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Crafty/LunarConfig/

With the help of Xu, I fixed that issue with desyncs

I think it's finally bug free! (Until someone finds another one)

[primal linden]

Hello!
I don't want to bother too much, but...
I don't understand this config curve for setting traps :,]

[mossy tide]

Same as coderebirths/dawnlibs if this is hazard curves

[ornate harbor]

So think of it like those are points on a graph that get connected by lines, the game picks a random number between 0 and 1 and uses that as the x value, and the y value from the graph rounded is how many of that trap will spawn today

That probably didn't make sense but hopefully it did

[mossy tide]

Rounded down iirc btw

[modern vector]

I just don’t understand the curve settings for enemies

There is no real conversion method for that

[primal linden]

I just don't understand curves :[

[ornate harbor]

Probability curve is a multiplier based on normalized time of day

I don't know how the number for falloff is calculated tho

[rancid idol]

I honestly copy paste them from moons that i know have good curves from experiencing them in gameplay, sometimes i landed on an early game moon with dogs already spawned and i thought that was fucked up

[normal quarry]

Goated xu and crafty

[mossy tide]

Wdym

Ig to explain it simply, give me a minute:

Each level has a curve that every enemy uses and every enemy has its own curve that it uses

When picking up an enemy's weight, assuming something like nutcracker 100 on experimentation, it uses that 100 * the value from the enemy's own curve, which would be a Multiplier from any value its set to really, but the x is limited to 0 and 1, which are just 0% and 100%, which just mean that at 0 the day just started, 7am, and at 100% it's ended, 11:59pm or whatever

It's hard to explain it much better than this, the graph is just a Multiplier for base weight depending on time of day

[normal quarry]

Thats kinda like how the sapsucker is 100% at 0 but after that it plummets to 0% for the rest of the graph right

[mossy tide]

Well, sapsucker is a daylight enemy so like after the first 20% or whatever for the graph it doesn't matter but everytime it tries to spawn it, it does multiply weight with the value in the graph at the current time

Also an odd quirk, I believe the start of the day us actually 6am not 8am which is when the player spawns on the moon

Is*

[meager whale]

oh it's beautiful

thank you for that scannode update

this breathes life into my existence

[plush wasp]

what is it?

[meager whale]

edited the scan nodes of two-word scrap names to have lower cases at the start for concistency's sake

these are fiufki's their (the scraps i changed the scan nodes for) normal names are "Desk Lamp" and "Potted Plant", changed em to "Desk lamp" and "Potted plant"

[primal linden]

Just to let people know, the locked/hidden option here updates constantly.
This will make Wesley's Moons Journey unlock mode not able to work correctly.

to fix this you have to disable these options on the Enabled Moon Settings options

[twilit crypt]

i dont use the progression system or even the whole moon bundle in mine with wesleys

[ornate harbor]

Yeah those will break anything that messes with moon visibility like wesley's, constellations, etc.

[jolly badger]

any big problems with this mod?

[primal linden]

Nope :]

[hasty hull]

Ye, the ‘worst’ part about it is just that the configs are a bit overwhelming, especially if you do not know spawn curves

[ornate harbor]

I'd recommend turning off anything you don't know how to/don't plan to use

[ornate harbor]

Though you're always welcome to ask, I'll help where I can :D

[granite heart]

oddly specific request but would it be possible to customize bestiary entries

[ornate harbor]

Depends on whether or not that's something I'd be able to get with DawnLib

But I doubt it

Unless I just let you edit the content of like any terminal node

[plush wasp]

It might be time to change hehe

[mossy tide]

Finding the enemy in LethalContent.Enemies.Values should let you do whatever you want with whats inside

[normal quarry]

it says to report it so i am

i renamed Starlancer Zero to CORRUPTED DATA and it prints this when i switch planets

it doesnt seem to affect the name in the moon menu or the radar screen so idk what happened there

[modern vector]

I think cus it messes up the custom route name it uses

[plush wasp]

i think cus the data is Corrupted

[normal quarry]

oh you think?

i know its because of the name

i dont know what it wants to be reported

it probably wouldnt be the routing code anyway

[modern vector]

I lowkey wish we had a seperate upload for Starlancer Zero lol

[normal quarry]

it would be nice but at least theyre hotloadable

[primal linden]

Try using the config to change the route name of the moon

[ornate harbor]

Oh... I see the issue and maybe I shouldn't let you edit moon names

Editing the moon name also changes the ID I use to get it's configured information

So it'll just break

[primal linden]

Oh

[ornate harbor]

Depedning on what ID I use for DawnLib it might work then

But I'll probably turn that off for now

[late wing]

completely random and probably unreasonable question but would it be possible for you to seperate the Moon Tag config part of the mod and make it its own thing OR is there a way to disable everything but that feature in the config?

ok i learned you can disable bits of it, how would i disable everything but tag configs?

[plush wasp]

.

This hehe

[late wing]

How so though

[plush wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[late wing]

Death…

[granite heart]

in LunarConfigCentral you can disable any settings you aren't using

[late wing]

❤️ awesome

take this creature as compensation

[willow apex]

Okay so, I understand how animation curves work but I hate just having it as a number, anywhere I can input the numbers like a website to visualise these because actually seeing it really helps

[ornate harbor]

https://cosmobrain0.github.io/graph-generation/

@willow apex ^^

[gaunt marsh]

By god, one actually exists 😭

Been looking for something to visualize the curves for so long

[hasty hull]

Guys they are just graph coordinates, you can just use Desmos or a graphing calculator

[plush wasp]

Or the link they sent

[hasty hull]

I am just am perplexed by people not knowing what this is

“My math class is useless in real life”… yeah it is when you cannot see the math right in front of you

[plush wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-v64-maneater-baby-fall-gif-6846565934124322396

[mossy tide]

yeah math class irl taught me this very specific format of graphing for this lethal company mod where the range is 0 to 1 in the x-axis to represent a random number or sometimes normalized time of day and then teh y is a number that always gets rounded down 😄

like yeah, don't use the tools provided to help format or help with making the graph, use desmos or a graphing calculator, like what lol

[plush wasp]

math? in my lethal company?

[hasty hull]

None of that is specific

Expect the y axis getting rounded down

Unless the randomness of the game picking an x value is beyond the understanding of most players, this is just your bog standard reading of a graph. Know the corresponding y value of any x value, just like how math problems ask you in school

I am not trying to be insulting with this btw, I think people just do not realize how simple it really is. The special tools are only a bit better than your normal graph generator but have everyone thinking it is rocket science

[mossy tide]

i mean, i'd like to see you make a graph that takes someone 5 seconds with the tool on desmos or a GRAPHING CALCULATOR and see how long that takes, and then when you wanna edit something how long it takes, and how easy it is to see the values all across the graph

the concept of a graph isn't new, im not inventing graphs with that tool

[hasty hull]

I know your tool is the best option, and I am glad it exists to make a tedious aspect of game balance much easier. But people are acting like they have literally nothing without it.

Maybe I am just old-fashioned in thinking one does not have to 100% know things to get satisfactory results

A flaw of mine is getting real life and the internet a bit too conflated, so thinking this “I need Xu’s graph tool to know what to do” is extends to life beyond LC Modding. My bad all, I will get off the soap box

[willow apex]

Bro, i didn't want to cause an argument jeez, I know its just a graph and I was using google sheets to render 100% the same as an animation curve

[willow apex]

thx btw ❤️

[ornate harbor]

Does anyone know how I pin something

Like in this thread

[primal linden]

Iirc, is /pin-bot

I may be wrong btw

I've never used it :p

[ornate harbor]

I think that's right

This tool made by Xu can help with making/visualizing the curves used in some of Lunar's config options: https://cosmobrain0.github.io/graph-generation/

Damn

Pawsy died :(

I'll try pinning it again later, I'm pretty sure that's right tho, the bot just says it's not responding :p

[granite heart]

i assume it has but has putting items in the store been considered, even if they are not usually bought?

[ornate harbor]

I definently thought about it when I switch to DawnLib, I might be able to register and unregister things from the store myself but I'm not sure how that works yet

So don't plan on it

[normal quarry]

i found the immediate issue with this

LLL can't assign interiors to it anymore

i have it set to only spawn Tartarus there and its only been spawning facility

i have both the old name and new name in LLL config for the weights, it doesn't use either of them

also for some reason, out of all the mods i have that use moon specific stuff, code rebirth is the only one that didnt need switching to the new name

[granite heart]

i think it would be a good feature so i think you should plan on it

[hasty hull]

I got a question in regards to how the item identifier names config (the first one in an item config list) works. The description says that this changes what Lunar Config uses to identify the item, does this apply to other parts of the mod? For instance, if I put “screw” as one of the identifiers of the Big Bolt, and then put “screw” in Experimentation’s scrap pool, will the mod spawn Big Bolts on Experimentation in-game?

[ornate harbor]

I'm pretty sure it says that it specifically does not change lunar's identifiers, unless I forgot a word again

[hasty hull]

Ah, so it only applies to reading the config from other mods?

[modern vector]

@ornate harbor Will you be updating soon to add DawnLib support since CR has updated and UsualScrap now relies on it

Cus I wanna remove CRLib but you have it as a dependency

[ornate harbor]

I really don't know if I'll be able to update anything soon

I have some real life things that will occupy me for a few weeks

Sorry :(

[modern vector]

Understandable ^^

[sage spear]

So changing the Facility's appropriate alias to, "Factory," won't have the mod recognize it as the Facility when I input Factory in a moon's int roster?

[normal quarry]

wdym changing the alias

those aliases cant be changed

[sage spear]

Damn

[normal quarry]

it says here in the config

[sage spear]

Yeah, just wanted to confirm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295244891559034922/1417650518272114729/870160100SmallYellowIpad.gif

[normal quarry]

you can change moon names though

though they have a weird bug

[sage spear]

OH SHIT, FR?

LIQUIDATION REAL

[normal quarry]

that LLL won't recognize the new or old name if they're changed

for assigning interiors n stuff

[sage spear]

Doesn't matter since I'm using Lunar, right?

[normal quarry]

probably not

as long as you use the right alias

i should probably do that for just this moon i renamed

[sage spear]

Elaborate?

[twilit crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/stantwt-stan-twitter-granny-dancing-granny-game-gif-6090594202146235250

[normal quarry]

i renamed starlancerzero to CORRUPTED DATA, but if i want to assign stuff to it in lunar i'd still use StarlancerZero

[sage spear]

Unrelated, but can Lunar config remove whatever this is from Expanded Mineshaft's scrap roster lmao

[normal quarry]

maybe?

[twilit crypt]

you use this on ||the guy||

[sage spear]

Ah okay

[fresh perch]

that's the main gimick of that interior

[twilit crypt]

you cant remove it from there

[normal quarry]

yeah its for the gimmick

[sage spear]

I'm killing msyelf

[normal quarry]

i just got to see it its kinda fucked up but gives nice money

[twilit crypt]

none of it is worth it imo because no ending

[sage spear]

Hopefully it becomes togglable

Since I'm like

Not using his entities

lol

[twilit crypt]

as a whole the update is just a side thing

[normal quarry]

after halloween i'd imagine

[twilit crypt]

i like the inclusions

but it is pointless in the grand scheme

[fresh perch]

but i voice ||one of the guys|| so it's worth it bleh bleh

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-cat-silly-cat-cat-sticking-tongue-out-gif-12332973546502369976

[sage spear]

Bruh

[twilit crypt]

no one knows who you are

[sage spear]

Bruh

[normal quarry]

the individual

[sage spear]

I assume this is going after the Halloween update?

[fresh perch]

maybe you don't

[normal quarry]

idk i just assume itll become a toggle or something

[twilit crypt]

probably not because this interior is meant to only spawn on one moon

same as dilapidated manor

its like

gratars "fake fire"

but as an entire interior

[fresh perch]

i think the variants are going to maintain the gimmicks, tho they can be ignored

[normal quarry]

this man cannot be droping improved vanilla interiors only for them to match 1 moon

i gladly replace all instances of mineshaft with this version

[sage spear]

Same

But I can't rn

😭

[twilit crypt]

dilapidated manor isnt an "improved" manor

[fresh perch]

and they can be spawned in any moon, they're not locked afaik

[sage spear]

Yeah def not

[normal quarry]

ok its a sidegrade but cmon

it matches well with more than 1 moon

[twilit crypt]

espira

[sage spear]

Also will Lunar Config remove entries when I remove an int mod

[twilit crypt]

thats all i can think of

[sage spear]

So I don't have to go into the txt file and remove it myself

[twilit crypt]

that isnt an anomalous moon anyways

i guess seichi

since spookichi exists

[normal quarry]

it has a setting in general config to clear orphaned entries

[sage spear]

I assume that's what I'm referring to then

[sage spear]

Ah good

Central Config but better in every way

Anyways, how the fuck does spawn curve stuff work

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-petcube-white-flash-gif-12971472902283574335

[normal quarry]

which one in particular

[sage spear]

I only know CC's basic scaling

[normal quarry]

like hazard spawns or

[sage spear]

Entities and hazards

since I'm going to be editing both

[normal quarry]

the hazard ones work the same as in mod like code rebirth

[sage spear]

Yeah Idk how that works either

I haven't touched those entries

[normal quarry]

the game rolls a random number and chooses a point on the graph, depending on how the curve looks there

a linear one is 0,0 : 1,10, if game rolls 0.4 it will spawn 4

for instance

it can get more complicated if you want like 0,0 : 0.2,2 : 0.4,6 : 1,8

which has a sudden spike in the middle

[sage spear]

Spawn 4 of what?

[normal quarry]

it also allows for stuff like bell curves n whatnot its very configurable just not easily readable

[normal quarry]

4 of the hazard you're assigning that curve to

[sage spear]

I see

[normal quarry]

the enemy ones are called enemy probability curve which i think (i might be wrong) act like a modifier to spawn weight

whatever number on the curve the game chooses will be multiplied against the spawn weight

[ornate harbor]

You can check pins for a tool to make curves

[sage spear]

What's the difference between the first number, and the second number in a node

e.g. 0.2 and 2

0.2,2

[normal quarry]

0.2 is the point on the graph, 2 is the value for that point

the graph only goes up to 1 and the value can be whatever you want between 0 and some huge number

[sage spear]

On the y or x axis

[normal quarry]

actually for some cases you might be able to use negative for the value? im not sure

[sage spear]

for 0.2

[normal quarry]

0.2 is x, 2 is y

[sage spear]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-monkey-broken-shocked-surprised-gif-27175763

[ornate harbor]

Enemy spawn curves for moons can be negative, idk what happens if you try it on a different type of curve

[sage spear]

So how would you get entities to spawn faster or slower, at specific times?

[normal quarry]

yea i figure enemy curves can be negative but not hazards

[ornate harbor]

For a specific enemy, the 'probability curve' in its entry, for all enemies on a moon use the ones in the moon's config

[normal quarry]

i'm not sure but you can use the falloff curve to chnage how often they spawn depending on how many are active

[sage spear]

Oh yeah I'm talking about the moon's entry

Not a specific entity's probability

[normal quarry]

oh for moons lemme look

for moons increase the value on the later entries (assurance as example)

the spawn waves are still fixed at ever 2 hours naturally (i think) but this increases the cap per wave as time goes on

[twilit crypt]

one day i will painstakingly deal with this and it will take me like 8 hours

[sage spear]

What cap?

[normal quarry]

i only changed a few of these because enemies just werent spawning on some moons, i dont wanna go through a ton of these

[normal quarry]

basically just, the higher the number, the more enemies can spawn per wave

[twilit crypt]

you know not how my configs are for CC

[normal quarry]

yes because i don't use cc

[twilit crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-friday-good-morning-happy-friday-friday-good-morning-friday-its-friday-gif-15283262855342031930

[sage spear]

I'm gonna have to do this for all 12 moons (Including my Liquidation equivalent) since I want the progression to be linear
Tier 1 is easy but not very profitable, Tier 2 are profitable but hard, Tier 3 are profitable but easy, and Tier 4 are profitable but hard (Again)

[normal quarry]

i see

i mainly didnt do it cus im lazy

ill get around to it eventually

[sage spear]

I have plans for EMBRION...

orangebaby

[normal quarry]

i love making fucked up configs for embrion

[sage spear]

Idk exactly how hard my Embrion will be, but I'm imagining you'll need to be stacked in tools to get a good profit from it

The Dark Souls of Confined Contract

[ornate harbor]

So at each spawn wave:
The game finds the value on the enemy curve for the current time of day, it takes that value, and takes the number in 'probability range' picks a random number between (curve value - range) and (curve value + range), that number is how many enemies will spawn

[late wing]

clearly the best config for embrion is only jesters daytime spawns, interior is playzone, and all scrap is metal sheet

and ofc keep the old birds

[normal quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213990310049480718/1274971686898499664/snapchat.gif

[sage spear]

Wesley ahh moon

[sage spear]

So what would.. a node for an entity shooting up to 4 entities an hour be, for example?

[normal quarry]

my embrion is probably ah utril lite

[sage spear]

Which Utril

Purple's or Wesley's

[normal quarry]

purple

[sage spear]

Poor ol' Embrion

[normal quarry]

too many spikes

[twilit crypt]

you should do a parallel to AJ utril

[sage spear]

Me?

[twilit crypt]

its funny

no glacial

[normal quarry]

in what way

[twilit crypt]

AJ utril is

probably my dumbest configure

it is very specific

and id imagine average players cannot fathom getting even a 4th of the avg bottomline

[ornate harbor]

I don't think I'm good enough for the arduous packs

[plush wasp]

same

[twilit crypt]

https://youtu.be/qSIurzkjNnk

[ornate harbor]

I think I made it to titan on AH with friends

[ornate harbor]

Well for that time you would have a value of 4, if you want exactly that much you can change the probability range to 0

[normal quarry]

is ts only 2 handers

[sage spear]

Is

it really that simple?

So it just picks a random x on the chart?

[ornate harbor]

So the chart is from 0 to 1, that's the normalized time of day, so at the middle of the day it'll pick the value at 0.5

[twilit crypt]

correct

[sage spear]

Holy shit it makes so much sense now

[twilit crypt]

the gimmick is only two handed with extremely high value ranges, and the only spawns are inside dogs and the harbinger

[sage spear]

I'm just gonna need to figure out which x increment correlates to in-game time

[normal quarry]

sounds horrible but also extremely specific like you said

[sage spear]

Which interior is it again

[twilit crypt]

avg bottomline is ~6.2k

price is 3400 something

[sage spear]

Oh wait you're talking about Utril

[twilit crypt]

its good if you can play it right

[ornate harbor]

I know 1 is 12am, but at 0 it's either like 6 or 8 am, not sure

[sage spear]

I'm assuming 0 is 7 AM

Since, well, it's the bottom of the barrel

[ornate harbor]

Idrk :p

[sage spear]

I thought the minimum hour was 7, not 6

[normal quarry]

7am is the first spawn wave isnt it

[ornate harbor]

Probably

[twilit crypt]

oh also theres no outside spawns due to how fucked inside is

and most people wouldnt know/figure out the strat i do to bring items back

[normal quarry]

oh actually

[sage spear]

What moon are you talking about Purple

[twilit crypt]

AJ utril

[sage spear]

What primary int is it again

[twilit crypt]

manor

[sage spear]

Oh okay good

Dogs are too fat for the Factory and Mineshaft

[normal quarry]

when i talked abt this i didnt know how the halloween props worked but this changelog seems like it fits with more stuff now

i would put dilapidated manor on acidir probably

[sage spear]

Is Halloween an Eclipsed variant

[twilit crypt]

i think its
manor as primary
rubber rooms
art gallery
grand armory
mineshaft as rarest

[sage spear]

If so, I'll replace Eclipsed with it for the season

[normal quarry]

not sure i think hallowed does more than just eclipsed

[sage spear]

Does it have the same baseline gimmick tho

[sage spear]

Mineshaft is still evil loll
Mineshaft on Utril is a literal wrap it up gang, it's over

Like you'll ever encounter it, but still

[twilit crypt]

hallowed does this
||makes outside extremely dark and moodly lit with candles, additionally spawns outside traps that are broken arachnohead.. heads, which basically act as the coderebirth carnivorous plant||

[sage spear]

Oh yeah was the plant redesigned

It was one of the entities I used in OG CC

[twilit crypt]

no clue

[sage spear]

Fuck

[normal quarry]

i dont think so

[sage spear]

So no entity per hour increase?

[twilit crypt]

nope

[sage spear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241441599246958643/1422795079541588039/Mecore_3.gif

[twilit crypt]

also its every two

[sage spear]

Y'know what I mean

I'm writing in a very compressed manner rn lol

[twilit crypt]

just in case you forgot

[sage spear]

Ya

[twilit crypt]

you havent touched lethal for a while

so

[ornate harbor]

||Does someone wanna explain the mineshaft alternative gimmick to me :3||

I'm curious

[twilit crypt]

||use eight files to start the guys torture, then press the button to get three random shapes - find a room with a ton of pipes with yellow valves, and turn the ones with the same shapes painted on them, then you can finish the guys torture and burn him to get a charred diamond worth 600 credits||

is it really worth it?
imo, no

again as far as i can tell

doing all the new stuff doesnt give you an ending

[normal quarry]

||do the pipes have to be in order or can it be any order||

[twilit crypt]

it just gives expensive payouts

[sage spear]

I am squeamish so I am never doing this lol

[twilit crypt]

any order

[late wing]

dont play the outlast trials

ever

you would explode

[normal quarry]

nice

[sage spear]

Yeah no I'm sensitive to in-action gore

[late wing]

||thats what its all based on||

[sage spear]

Like

Certain in-action gore

[twilit crypt]

you would HATE whats on roart now

[sage spear]

Static gore I'm fine with

[ornate harbor]

Did he eat the diamond or something???

[twilit crypt]

btw that is EXTRA not worth it to do

[twilit crypt]

so the trite government is just making diamonds out of human corpses some how

idrk

its not explained

[late wing]

||no, i think the trite company fed him it forcefully or it was made out of him||

[sage spear]

Probably stuffed it between his cheeks and pissed off a nutcracker and this is the eternal punishment it gave him

[ornate harbor]

Interesting...

[late wing]

LMAo

[twilit crypt]

its cool but

just
not worth it

[late wing]

i havent done the roart one yet

[ornate harbor]

It's a lot of steps for 600

[normal quarry]

Bro drank the 2fort water

[late wing]

||dont you carry the girl to a place where you decapitate her?||

[normal quarry]

Too many minerals in his body

[twilit crypt]

do it on imperium, just dont even bother doing it legit

its that much not worth it

you have to go to fucking thalasso

to get human hearts

[sage spear]

I don't think you get just how much $600 is
Having one guy focus on the dude while everyone else is lootin' will earn you a fuckton of money
You most often earn around $600 solo or with a decent team anyways on most end-game moons

[twilit crypt]

or constantly reset gift shop

both suck

[late wing]

oh yeah thats

[sage spear]

It's $600 by practically doing nothing

[late wing]

difficult

[ornate harbor]

Well we're having this conversation with like the best lethal player ever

So

[twilit crypt]

you need FOUR hearts btw

[normal quarry]

The mineshaft one is self contained at least

So it could be worth if you have enough people

[late wing]

ok thats kinda wild whats the reward

[twilit crypt]

the only one i see worth it is the thing on crowd

[normal quarry]

But for solo its a lot of time finding everything you need

[sage spear]

Not to throw shade, but I wouldn't call him the best, just durable
There is no getting good at Lethal for anybody really

Lethal Company is the equivalent to Rain World on steroids

[twilit crypt]

because crowd actually has good profit outside of the special event

so doing both at the same time can be nice

and crowds is the easiest

[sage spear]

Yes, I just called LC harder than RW

[normal quarry]

Oh for the moons theyre supposed to spawn on

[twilit crypt]

i dont classify my own self as this

[normal quarry]

I missed that part i put mineshaft on basically every moon that had old mineshaft

[sage spear]

The only real, "good," player I would say is Bread, but he's a loser sweat, so :p

[twilit crypt]

knowing how to play a game better than most people doesnt make me the best

[ornate harbor]

I was trying to say you're good

[twilit crypt]

bread actually beat me in "hardest thing done in lethal"

[ornate harbor]

Jeez

[twilit crypt]

id say so at least

he did a 20k quota while every day was eclipsed

[sage spear]

Hardest thing huh
Throw me to the kidnapper fox and I'll return [USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST]

[twilit crypt]

whar

[normal quarry]

[twilit crypt]

a 12 LBS one handed item worth 600-1000 credits

it sounds crazy

but when you see what you have to survive

yes

survive

its not worth it

[sage spear]

Can you tell us what but spoil it

[ornate harbor]

(he's bluffing, it's really easy to get, he just doesn't want you having the profit)

[sage spear]

Wesley has like 30 moons and I couldn't be fucked going through them all again

He really pulled a Rain World Watcher on us

[twilit crypt]

||nearby main, theres a shrine like space that lets you place a human heart on four separate "blood fountains" i guess they are||

[ornate harbor]

36!

[sage spear]

TulipDread

Completionists hate him

[twilit crypt]

||when you do this, a portal opens at the center altar, and this takes you to a copy of roarts exterior with distortion effects happening||

||when youre here, the spot the ship is normally at is instead occupied by a rock structure with another rock acting as a table, and a saw is attached to it||

||theres a map on another rock next to it with several landmarks, one leads to the hanging body of the girl entity that spawns during forsaken weather||

||you can literally pick her body up, and you then bring it to the rocks to chop her off with the saw||

[sage spear]

And what's the survive part?

[twilit crypt]

||once you do the first swing, the saw gets jammed, and you have to hold down E on it to get it unstuck for like 30 seconds, but the entire time her spirit flies at from fog in randomized directions||

i will say idk if its an instant kill but it probably is

[sage spear]

Is she client-side

[twilit crypt]

||after you slam the saw down a second time, it gets jammed AGAIN, and you have to get it unstuck again||

||and shes faster||

||and progress on unjamming doesnt save if you move away||

||after her head is chopped off you can then take it to a spot marked on the map and bury the head, which will then cause some scary audio to play or some shit, and you get teleported back to the real roart, where the reward lays by where the portal was||

[twilit crypt]

idk
i also dont know if multiple people can be there

[sage spear]

Sounds like a team effort thing

[ornate harbor]

Only took 10 messages to explain, seems short and easy

[sage spear]

Yeah

Sounds like only a problem solo

and this game isn't very

compensating solo to begin with

So

[twilit crypt]

i wouldve just done one message but discord sucks with stuff like ||

[ornate harbor]

Wesley played too much outlast

[twilit crypt]

the whole sequence is really cool

but its not worth it to me

the prize isnt a destiny item

and i dont think a new one was added

like i dont think theres a place to take the prize

[sage spear]

If you do it at the end of the day when you already have money, it sounds like a good profit since it's a literal $1000 you're earning here

[plush wasp]

i just hope the hearts are throwable hehe

[twilit crypt]

its avg 800

[sage spear]

Still a lot

[ornate harbor]

I think they are throw able

Unsure

[twilit crypt]

they are but you cant get them back when you place them so idk why that matters

[plush wasp]

are they?

[ornate harbor]

Who doesn't love chucking hearts at friends

Use em on mines!

[twilit crypt]

at least thalasso added the heart chamber recently so you dont have to rely on 4 hearts randomly spawning

still annoying to even begin this sequence

[plush wasp]

thats the best purpose what :0

but

heart werent throwable before

is it a new thing?

[twilit crypt]

they

always were

what

[ornate harbor]

Always has been

[plush wasp]

i picked up one like yesterday

before the update

no option to throw

it was the first thing that came to my mind

[ornate harbor]

Were you in game?

[plush wasp]

wa

:0

[ornate harbor]

Idk about real ones but in lethal company they throw able :3

[plush wasp]

wait my mind

is exploding

wdym real ones what

[ornate harbor]

:D

[plush wasp]

[ornate harbor]

Also just want to ask

||Is it ok that I never actually played Wesley's journeys with progression on? :3||

[plush wasp]

its not ok

you can play however you like

but not even giving it a chance is

curious

[twilit crypt]

youre missing out on having to do the bad ending

[sage spear]

Yeah

[twilit crypt]

which is harder than the good ending

because we hate you

[sage spear]

Lethal Company doesn't have an ending or unlockable moons, so

If you just want a vanilla-like experience, that's valid

[ornate harbor]

Which ending is the original one?

Pre conquer

[plush wasp]

empra

[ornate harbor]

I mean is that the bad one or what

[plush wasp]

not sure if its bad, neither good

its a mix of the 2

hehehe

for the universe good, for the player bad

is there a reason you havent even tried it?

[twilit crypt]

thats the good ending

the bad ending is berunahs
the neutral ending is using no destiny item
and then harringtons ending is just a random scrap on utril

[ornate harbor]

I was really just putting together my pack after Wesley updated and I just unlocked all the moons with CC to be more like vanilla ig

[sage spear]

Oh yeah Crafty

[ornate harbor]

I was going for just a vanilla framework but lots more content basically

[sage spear]

Does a moon's description expand if it reaches the default limit on the hud when the ship finishes landing

You know

The blue moon description that pops up briefly before the hazard level

[ornate harbor]

I don't, I'd try it and see what happens

I know what you mean

But haven't tried it myself

[sage spear]

CC had the issue of just, not doing anything about fixing it

I was just wondering if u did it

[ornate harbor]

Then I'm not sure I will either

[sage spear]

Joever

[plush wasp]

i eat my words

heart is indeed throwable

no idea why it didnt let me

[sage spear]

I'm sorry?

Why's this thang so expensive?

[twilit crypt]

SID

[sage spear]

0199a2be-11cc-e6cb-70cf-ab8fdceb5598

[twilit crypt]

me when the me

[sage spear]

Oh

lol

Fuck

Nvm then

orangeconfused

What is the display name in this context?

[ornate harbor]

For enemies I'm not really sure, it's an internal name

[twilit crypt]

why is display and scan separate

wtf

is display the terminal one???

[sage spear]

Nop

Already checked

[ornate harbor]

Display is something that's just internal I think

[sage spear]

So does that mean I can use Forest Keeper instead of ForestGiant in entries?

[ornate harbor]

In lunar's entries you mean?

[sage spear]

Yes

[ornate harbor]

Are those all defaults?

[sage spear]

no

Forest Keeper is not default

[ornate harbor]

Lunar's only going to recognize what's the default in appropriate aliases

[sage spear]

What the heck is the display name for then

orangeconfused

[twilit crypt]

update about what i was talking about btw

[ornate harbor]

It was something internal that I thought was the scan name before I added that setting

[twilit crypt]

its not an instant kill

still not worth it

[sage spear]

Ah Ic

Unrelated, but will we ever get an option to rewrite bestiary entries?

[twilit crypt]

gonna upload the sequence to post it

[ornate harbor]

Maybe if I add options around terminal nodes more

[twilit crypt]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9fVqQdzFo4||

[hasty hull]

I think it is what it shows when scanning in the terminal

Notice how Brass Bell is ‘bell’ and Gift Box is ‘gift’ on the scan

[ornate harbor]

The setting does actually do something for items

It changes the name on the tooltip

[hasty hull]

Ye that too

[twilit crypt]

OH

its that

im dumb

[hasty hull]

You can fix legitimately evil stuff like this

For the past 2 years I thought I was under a Mandela effect thinking it was called 'Robot Toy'

When everyone else called it Toy Robot

[sage spear]

Uh

Where is the kidnapper fox in Lunar Config?

[plush wasp]

:0

why would it have the fox?

[sage spear]

Because it's an unused, completely functional entity?

If lasso man is there, as well as YesFox in my modpack, it should be there too

[plush wasp]

oh if you have yesfox then yeah

[hasty hull]

There must be an issue with Lunar reading it. The Fox has been completely removed from vanilla as of v70 so Lunar would not recognize it from anywhere other than YesFox

[plush wasp]

true

lasso hasnt been removed

while fox completely dissappeared

[sage spear]

No, it's still in the game

Both entities (Vain shrouds and foxes) still are

Their networking just has been sniped iirc

[hasty hull]

Buttery said they are completely gone

Your word against her’s

[sage spear]

@lusty lake Holy shit, is there no trace of the two entities in the game files left??

[lusty lake]

almost all of the code related to vain shrouds has been deleted

the actual generation logic is there but all the logic to grow it between days, generate it when landing, etc. is totally gone

all code for spawning enemies out of weeds is gone

all of the actual content is still there and completely accessible

the fox is basically still 100% there but it's only referenced in the debug level

[sage spear]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-monkey-broken-shocked-surprised-gif-27175763

FUCK YOU ZEEKERSS

FoxRawr

[lusty lake]

and its network prefab was de-registered which means if the host uses cheats to spawn it, it will only spawn for the host

yesfox restores all of the missing code and re-registers the fox which is how it is able to function

[sage spear]

It's weird how Zeek did more to remove the fox and shroud over lasso and red pill

[lusty lake]

zeekerss could really ruin our day by removing the fox's prefab and scripts

im confident that we will always be able to restore it no matter what happens but i am worried about an eventual future where it requires like 10x more headache than it does right now

[sage spear]

Wouldn't you be able to mostly move everything over from older versions of the game if that were to happen?

orangeconfused

[lusty lake]

the main issue is that yesfox is totally dependent on the vanilla fur shader being packaged in the final release

because we dont have the source for that shader

[sage spear]

Ough

[lusty lake]

we would be able to rip the compiled shader and re-upload it via like an asset bundle or something but doing something like that would be way more annoying than what we do now

which is just pull the original kidnapper fox's material (which includes the correct shader) from the original prefab

and then assign it to the modified + networked fox prefab

that yesfox includes

[sage spear]

Man, he really wants these entities to die

[lusty lake]

the only reason that is available to us is because zeekerss never removed the kidnapper fox from the debug menu

which necessitates that its EnemyType (and its spawn prefab) be packaged into the game

if he ever does that, it will simplify a lot of our processes (we can just add the kidnapper fox as a brand new enemy instead of fussing with "bridging the gap") but we'd have to find an alternate solution to fix the shader

[plush wasp]

i have a suggestion

for the configs

easy one (i hope)
to make related configs be in order, be together one after the other, just to make it a bit less confusing, is not really an issue but if its an easy change idk, it would be cool

like having all interior related configs together (multiplier,possible interior, curve, power, probability range)

[ornate harbor]

They kind of already are...
Like interior curve, power, and probability range are next to the other enemy spawning related settings

They're already organized, just in a different way

[stable carbon]

[16:16:08.4507288] [Error :LunarConfig] An error occured while setting dungeon values, please report this! System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'Dungeon Size Min' was not present in the dictionary. at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_001E at LunarConfig.Objects.Config.LunarConfigEntry.GetValue[T] (System.String key) [0x00001] in ./Objects/Config/LunarConfigEntry.cs:81 at LunarConfig.Patches.RoundManagerPatch.startMod () [0x01cb3] in ./Patches/RoundManagerPatch.cs:346

i get this error whenever i open a save

[plush wasp]

Hmmmm ok 🙁

[grave ether]

Is it possible that scrap using dawn lib does not appear in the moon list of the lunar config scrap.
I tried to get silly scrap to spawn but it won't appear in the list of scrap for each moon.
Usual scrap is similar it didn't appear for me but it spawned regardless using its own config

[normal quarry]

lunar config hasnt updated for dawnlib yet (still uses coderebirthlib) so it is possible

though id think it has a fallback for that

[ornate harbor]

I hoped that wouldn't be the case but it's certainly possible

[ornate harbor]

But don't expect it being fixed soon sorry

[granite heart]

awesome gif

[sage spear]

Thanks, Batby

Glue

Can't even turn this shitass Simulate command off

[granite heart]

liquidation isn't a real moon

you can't travel to it

it has no scene

[sage spear]

I know

I renamed Bilge to Liquidation via Lunar Config

and whenever I type in Liquidation to go to Bilge, LLL gives me this bullshit

BrainDeer

[normal quarry]

ya LLL doesnt like when you change names in lunar config

it wouldn't let me assign interiors through the LLL config

does it still work with the old routing code

[hasty hull]

I think it only changes the display name when you land and nothing else

[granite heart]

renaming a moon in lunar config doesn't change the nodes the terminal uses, you'd still have to type "bilge"

[sage spear]

It's actually over

[sage spear]

Would you consider making the display name of a moon be one in the same /w its terminal node

It's good if you don't, it's just inconvenient for hidden moons that have been renamed since there'd literally be no way to discover it naturally that would make sense

Like, why would the password to Liquidation be fucking Bilge, lmao

Glue

[twilit crypt]

i agree the display name being separate makes it almost poitless to change

but there is probably some really big technical reason it is like this

like it will destroy a ton of shit level bad

[mossy tide]

Do you mean changing the display name and the key word name used to route to it?

Hmm, if its that then it might not be that bad, there places where the name needs to be changed is a decent few places though for it to properly work

It's only when trying change the sceneName that you'd entirely break it, or the internal names for items, enemies etc

[sage spear]

I don't need the scene's name changed; just the route keyword to the renamed moon changed so it isn't utterly confusing to new players of my modpack

I imagine it could become a problem with moons that share the same display name, like Liquidation, but I wonder if that could just be solved by having the moon that isn't locked take priority

[normal quarry]

Maybe exposing the routing code as a configurable variable separate from name would be better

[ornate harbor]

Definitely considered

Another thing that depends on if I can do it in dawnlib

[primal linden]

hello!
I'm getting this softlock issue if I disable the moon settings on the config

softlock on not loading when landing

[primal linden]

if I enable it back, it fixes itself

[ornate harbor]

Should be fixed

(that is whenever it gets to mod managers of course)

[ornate harbor]

Apparently lunar config shouldn't be broken by v73

We'll see ig

[ornate harbor]

Ayy 1k downloads on a single version, I never thought so many people would want my mod :3

Thanks guys <3

[primal linden]

It was needed an upgrade for a main config mod

[hasty hull]

Just goes to show what I and others said about the need for a new big config mod

I am not active in their chats, but I am hearing that CC is having even more issues

[ornate harbor]

I don't know how this just got slipped under the rug for me, now that I look at my code, apparently 4 of the dungeon configuration options (2 of them quite important) just weren't working, fix should be in now

Sorry about that

Crazy noone else noticed anything in 2.5 weeks

Unless one of the recent updates somehow messed it up

[stable carbon]

Which ones were not working?

[ornate harbor]

Dynamic min/max and random min/max but I think the error would have just caused all of them to break

[plush wasp]

hey craftyy

will you be changing to dawnlib?

[ornate harbor]

Within 4 to 8 business months, yes

It is the plan, however I'm busy

[plush wasp]

hmmmm then be unbusy!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/starwhocouldfly-rigby-cat-rigby-silly-cat-stupid-cat-gif-15385366713072989704

[ornate harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

[errant bolt]

A question, i think from my observation all of these work, but when referring to scrap names to spawn on moons, should i use appropriate aliases rather than the display name?

e.g. abandonedflashlight:5/abandonedbbflashlight:5 or Abandoned Flashlight:5

[hasty hull]

The appropriate aliases would be your best bet. That config is not actually a proper config, it just lists what names Lunar Config found that are used to refer to the scrap. To get an easy answer to what name you should put in moon spawns, see if any moons have it in their default spawn weight lists

Only thing I am not sure on is if capitalization or spacing is important, I would assume not since this mod functions similarly to Central Config

[errant bolt]

yeah that's what I was thinking, I just needed a second opinion, thank you. I always thought of lunar config as a front end tool

[ornate harbor]

It does not

Caps and spaces don't matter

[hasty hull]

Cool

[modern vector]

Will you be updating Lunar Config to use DawnLib soon? While it's not problematic rn since the rpcs aren't being used by anything rn CRLib is relying on the outdated netcode patcher so I imagine Xu will probably wanna deprecate it

[plush wasp]

my boy crafty is trying to

that's the idea

[modern vector]

I do believe in him was just wondering lol

[plush wasp]

gta 6 before the dawnlib change hehe

[modern vector]

Hmmmmm

@mossy tide Any chance you can push an update for CRLib just to avoid the risk of issues since it might be a bit before Lunar Config can swap?

I don't think anything is triggering those rpcs in my testing but better safe than sorry

[twilit crypt]

????????????

legmr what the FUCK are you cooking

i legitimately have no idea where "Girl1" spawns
ive played legmrs moons unironically, no config edits

this is really bizarre, and it feels like a leftover bundled in

[mossy tide]

that might just be ghost girl but accidently added in lol

[twilit crypt]

oh

wait

i think i might know what this is

it just doesnt work

so legmrs interior, the nuclear bunker, spawns additional hygroderes separately independant of the regular vanilla hygrodere spawns

that interior actually has functioning monster spawns, but their other one, the hotel, does not

monsters will just never spawn on it period

so i think because of that, that is why i havent encountered "Girl1"

and shes meant to spawn when its hotel, as independant ghost girl spawns, up to 10 times

that is fucking evil

[mossy tide]

LLL doesnt have interior weights though, so unless legmr did something for that themselves idk

but i do think you're right in that its a ghost girl that's meant to just have that many spawns lol

[twilit crypt]

they did

i know the additional hygroderes spawn

fun fact they are also completely invisible!

[ornate harbor]

As I told cheese, it's the plan, but with the combination of it meaning a large rewrite for the mod, and me being very busy, it might be quite some time

And I still don't know how to 'patch a constructor' 😭

[mossy tide]

@dark portal how to patch constructor with monomod?

[dark portal]

constructor is ctor

if you use MMHOOK, it's just an event named _ctor I think

static constructors though, they are impossible to patch with MonoMod.RuntimeDetour

for those you need Mono.Cecil in a BepInEx preloader patcher

because a static constructor would otherwise execute before it's hooked

[mossy tide]

nah not static

so they need to make a hook towards _ctor?

[dark portal]

yes

I don't remember if the underscore is in the name though

but it's .ctor in reality so it's probably an underscore for C#

[mossy tide]

likethis?

im new to hooks myself

so thats kinda what im assuming what you mean by that

[dark portal]

to get a constructor without MMHOOK, use some reflection method for getting a constructor of type

[mossy tide]

oh you mean something like this

whoops, yeah i coulda guessed that

[dark portal]

yes

[mossy tide]

@ornate harbor are you using monomod or harmony?

[dark portal]

why are we needing/wanting to patch a constructor btw?

[mossy tide]

they need to patch a constructor from dawnlib as a config mod to edit some sapwn weight stuff

i.e. for scrap spawn weights they need to edit ScrapInfo.whatever but they cant since its private set unless they patch constructor

[ornate harbor]

Harmony iirc

[mossy tide]

oh i have no idea with harmony :3

[dark portal]

harmony docs probably have an answer

[dark portal]

private set... doesn't that mean there's still a setter then?

they could also access the backing field probably

[mossy tide]

oh well idk if its called a private set, but i dont think this can be accessed outside the constructor

as in, changed

i just tried making a method in that class to change it and yeah cant

so idk if it's possible to change it with stuff like publiciser or anything like that

[dark portal]

I don't believe .NET has magic to prevent a field from getting set, though I could be wrong

[mossy tide]

when i tried it gave an error saying its readonly

[dark portal]

huh

can you show what you tried?

[dark portal]

https://harmony.pardeike.net/articles/annotations.html#constructors

// default constructor:
[HarmonyPatch(typeof(TestClass), MethodType.Constructor)]
// or with an overload:
[HarmonyPatch(typeof(TestClass), MethodType.Constructor, new Type[] { typeof(int) })]

[dark portal]

ah that's just a C# land error

you can do it with reflection I'm sure

if you look at the decompilation closely, you may notice the backing fields

which are set in the constructor

[ornate harbor]

Thanks! I'll try it later

[dark portal]

alternatively @mossy tide you could make a private set so that it's easy to set while using a publicizer

[mossy tide]

nah its not meant to be edited on purpose

im only fine with it since im making intentional compatibility with lunar config in other places

[dark portal]

ye

some things though could be a part of the public API, but yeah I can understand if you don't want it to be

[mossy tide]

the public API is available to the dev, not other users

[dark portal]

ye? like uh that's the point, so that someone making a config mod could make it easier

[mossy tide]

sure, and if they want to, they'll have to do it in the right places at the right times, which means patching the constructor

[dark portal]

instead of patching the constructor though, the API could provide an event for when the constructor runs

[mossy tide]

yes but again, the user is not meant to have access to those, dawnlib already allows the dev of scrap to generate values etc as configs if they want the user to edit some stuff

lunar config goes against that idea by providing the user configs to stuff the developer might've not approved

but people like the idea of a config mod so i gave minimal compatibility in a few places so that if they wanna do it they gotta do it properly

and again, providing an event wont really do anything since they still need to be in the constructor to edit the values

[twilit crypt]

@ornate harbor can you consider adding options to change the price of the cruiser and ship items (upgrades, decorations, suits)

and maybe also an option to change furniture luck values

[ornate harbor]

Definitely to be considered when updating to DawnLib

Since I might have more access to those through it

[mossy tide]

ye it'll be in the constructor of whatever thing you patch

[tidal pagoda]

Oooooo

I didn't realize this was out

Is there any demo or screenshot of what it looks like?

[tidal pagoda]

........oh......oh god

....that looks......painful

[normal quarry]

it isnt too bad

if you know what to look for

central also lets you disable specific changes to declutter some of the cfgs

[tidal pagoda]

I'm good I think. I literally made a point to not use configurators like this because of how unwieldy they are even when you want to do.

I think I'm sticking with lq for now.....at least until maybe it has a ui of some kind?

[plush wasp]

Was meaning to ask

Is LQ still working after the update?

[tidal pagoda]

Idk

Haven't checked

[hasty hull]

Hopefully you are not in for a rude awakening

[tidal pagoda]

If lq doesn't get updated I might just quit on trying to adjust moons altogether.

[hasty hull]

I wish you the best

Given Lunar and CC did not break with v73, LQ has a good chance. As I understand it, custom networking is what got nuked by the Unity update, which these config mods tend to not have since they change vanilla stuff

[tidal pagoda]

If I remember correctly I think they were already doing that

[errant bolt]

which is real...

I understand now. don't worry

[plush wasp]

Share with the class

[errant bolt]

I'm pretty sure it came with noctis, the moon

[ornate harbor]

A lot of moons just have them mistyped, it's literally the same exact trap

If you want you can disable all the wrong ones and just use the main one

[subtle ingot]

is there any plan to have a web UI similar to LQ? it's so incredibly helpful imo to be able to visualise these things

(awesome stuff btw, finally got around to checking this out!!)

[ornate harbor]

This

[plush wasp]

This

[long kernel]

This

[errant bolt]

That

[errant bolt]

its honestly not that bad once you get used to it

[cursive mist]

The more stuff that you edit alongside with the more enemies & items that you add into the pack makes it all the more difference tbh

[errant bolt]

this is true but this is where excel... excels, mine is quite big with 200+ items but... use some formulas n stuff and you can calculate the weights through the values you set, etc. then becomes very automatic. But i don't look forward to transferring it all into the config, but im sure i can make something that just writes it out for me automatically as well when i cross that road

to copy and paste into the config

[cursive mist]

I was waiting for excel to be brought up in some way lols

[ornate harbor]

[cursive mist]

I've been starting to use one to catalogue my info for future modpacks but it just feels pretty taxing cataloguing all of it after being so lazy with LQ doing it for me lol

[errant bolt]

youre the reason i started using excel since i forgot i had it till isaw your screenshot a few weeks ago lol

[errant bolt]

in the past i only used LQ for editing the moon descriptions and did the rest in LLL, but the way lunar config handles scrap value is far superior to me than LLLs config, lunar config allows for consistent item prices across all moons... and... the dungeon size doesnt desync...... 🙏

[ornate harbor]

I literally used LQ for so long and never knew about that bug

It never really happened to my crew

[errant bolt]

I thought it was just the game at this point

BCMER dungeon size desynced, LQ dungeon size desynced, LLL dungeon size desynced

[ornate harbor]

It happened to Lunar too, but the fix was literally just patching a method that runs on all clients, instead of one that only runs on the host

[cursive mist]

I successfully managed to avoid the dungeon desyncs associated with LQ but for me it was just much safer and less tedious to edit it via LLL

[errant bolt]

by the time i discovered LQ, i had already filled out LLL's config 💔

[cursive mist]

So with LQ I edit everything except interiors, that's handled via LLL

[errant bolt]

but i have restarted like multiple times over so i moved to lunar config anyway (indecisive lmao)

Everything i do i look back on and think i can do better

each iteration takes longer and longer

the pipeline

[plush wasp]

its very specific, the global size isnt affected

is the specific interior size

[errant bolt]

everything did work yes

[plush wasp]

or maybe ot was the other way i forgors

[errant bolt]

i think you could increase the dungeon interior itself with no desync in LQ, but i never tried because looked like a headache to learn lmao

[errant bolt]

does the effort pay off ....... (dont ask about hte colours i just cannot stare at bright stuff for more than 5 minutes)

[primal linden]

I just do this lol

[errant bolt]

stealing this for the mastersheet when i do it

[primal linden]

dw

I just have to set this now on the config

[errant bolt]

The funnest part

I am 100% going to figure out a way to mass print it in excel to just copy and paste it into the config, im sure theres a way

[tidal pagoda]

What the hell am I looking at??

[primal linden]

Main moon list

[tidal pagoda]

Looks like excel made in the 80s by a depressed grocery store accountant with severe alcoholism.

It looks practical but it makes my eyes hurt.

Kinda reminds me of hex code but I can actually understand what I'm looking at.

Well except for the tab on the furthest right. I have no idea what that is.

[errant bolt]

This is funny lol

I like it though, its compact and you can tell its done by someone who knows what they're doing - for myself, it's my first time using excel since 'middle school' for a project i barely passed