Company Hauler

[drifting berry]

driving on a moon with rainy weather will also increase the rate of corrosion

[fast onyx]

every quota you get mailed a recall for a random car part

[drifting berry]

the dropship automatically comes down at a random time and picks the vehicle back up, then delivers it back after a while

if you're on/in the vehicle at the time you just disappear as it flies up

[inland atlas]

Hey was compatibility with Better Vehicle Controls broken on the update to v73? Because the automatic gearbox doesn't work and it's driving me crazy! The Hauler is easily one of the best vehicle mods out there but the crappy vanilla controls make it really suck to use =(

[drifting berry]

the hauler runs alot of its own code that is detached from vanilla

so i'd need to implement custom compat for it

i was implementing bvc into the hauler, but the only thing i implemented was the recentering the wheel

and now because i'm reworking it (as you may or may not know), i'm not actively working on the old one

[drifting berry]

this happened when glojam did the "big update" as i gave him my fork from before i got access to the files

which made the hauler less dependant on the garbage vanilla code, allowing more flexibility and shit

but it means mods like bvc wont work out the box

[inland atlas]

well thats a bummer! But it also does make sense. I guess I just won't use it for the time being.

[drifting berry]

personally i like vanilla controls

[inland atlas]

No i did not know you were remaking it!

[drifting berry]

plus the haulers shifter is like

right in front of you

[drifting berry]

i was rebuilding it from the ground up

well, using the original model with a shit ton of general touch up and fixes

[inland atlas]

Yeah i know, still having to constantly shift it around and then forgetting you are in reverse and slamming into a wall because you were trying to go forward is infuriating

[drifting berry]

but everything else is being redone

[drifting berry]

well that's what would happen irl if you forgot you were in reverse 😛

[inland atlas]

This looks like a great redesign!

[drifting berry]

i'm not a big fan of bvcs control scheme overall, i don't mind stuff like centering wheel and the keybinds

since that's "realistic" i guess

and isn't overly out of place

keybinds are just an accessibility thing to an extent, although i do enjoy fiddling with the buttons by having to interact with them

self centering wheel is what every single car in the real world does

i will probably add keybinds to the hauler for shifting gears and stuff

mouse wheel by default

i feel like you get less control with bvcs gearbox option

-# the vanilla car and the hauler are already automatics hehe

[inland atlas]

Well i mean it is still an option, not an enforced thing

[drifting berry]

i had to rip apart the entire model like

piece by piece

that's fair, i'll think about it

[drifting berry]

i'm a little overly proud with how the steering wheel came out

i didn't want to use the vanilla one and this one fits great

it's based on 2012 gm chevy wheels

'cause the hauler is a GM chevy

[inland atlas]

and yeah i 100% know its not realistic, me and my friends just like to play casually and already the cruiser/hauler gets a lot of hate so any way to make it easier to drive and less obnoxious is better

[drifting berry]

the cruiser is shockingly easy and overpowered to use

easier than ever i'd say

sounds like you'd hate my v55 mod 😛

[inland atlas]

This looks nice! Very HD. That clock is ahrd to read but thats probably just perspective

[drifting berry]

that's just the font (its a vanilla font and its the same one the old hauler uses) its only hd because its in editor

[inland atlas]

Anyways i hope i didn't come across as rude or anything, that is not my intention. This a great mod and wanting to be able to drive it in a way i like is just a preference.

[drifting berry]

picture from when i was testing it

[inland atlas]

I would like it to be an option

[drifting berry]

lol its not coming across as rude at all

i'm just very opiniated when it comes to stuff like that

and i am admittedly a bit stubborn

[inland atlas]

which is why i love making it an optional thing, NOT enforced. Doesn't even have to be on by default.

i don't like things being shoved on me either

[drifting berry]

that's completely fair

for the hauler i could probably settle for adding configs like making the control scheme like bvc

mods like my v55 cruiser for example tho, no

that vehicle is meant to be the embidoment of hate

[inland atlas]

well im in v73 so lol

[drifting berry]

🤨

oh

was about to say if your on v72

[inland atlas]

mistyped

[drifting berry]

it wont work

lol

no worries

[drifting berry]

the version doesnt matter

[inland atlas]

so i don't see an issue here as thats way in the past

[drifting berry]

my v55 mod is a mod that aims to bring back the post release cruiser back to present day

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Scandal/Version55_Company_Cruiser/

this works in v80

this is my v55 mod

[inland atlas]

ooohhhh

yeah i don't care about that one (not in a rude way but you dont need to touch it)

[drifting berry]

this vehicle is truly awful

no that's fair, but i'm using it as an example of me being opiniated and shit

[inland atlas]

yeah, i've been called stubborn by a lot of people too

[drifting berry]

well to be fair that might not be a good example but whatever

my scanvan is a better example

[inland atlas]

a good one being that im not a fan of making the already really hard game even harder.

[drifting berry]

i do not wish to add anything such as the gears shifting on their own without keybinds or looking at the shifter

[inland atlas]

That's gotten me called stubborn quite a bit

[drifting berry]

if we're on about the v55 car i could go on a whole rant about that

i am a very strong advocate for that hunk of junk

[inland atlas]

So, do you plan on adding anything like i suggested to the Hauler itself

[drifting berry]

for various various reasons

[drifting berry]

the gear shift stuff?

i'll "think about it"

[inland atlas]

yes.

[drifting berry]

the hauler needs alot of work before i even consider that

[inland atlas]

oh boy lol

[drifting berry]

when i say everything is being redone i really mean it

all the code

physics

animations

etc

[inland atlas]

Why? I mean it already works just fine

[drifting berry]

no

it doesnt

believe me

it doesnt

i am mr vehicle himself and im here to tell you it doesnt

the hauler is an extremely buggy mess

the physics are so broken and alot of people will tell you that

[inland atlas]

are you talking about the "hit nothing and fly into the stratosphere or blow up" problem

[drifting berry]

stuff like that yes

players standing on the vehicle can even bork it

besides stuff like the animations i just want to flesh out a bit more and make fit to the hauler

since it uses some vanilla cc animations that done line up properly

[inland atlas]

alright, well damn. That is some crazy dedication there.

[drifting berry]

like the player steering animation

[drifting berry]

i am the vehicle man

i am mr vehicle himself

i should probably get back to the hauler but this is my main project right now

[inland atlas]

Well atleast you have the auto recenter steering enabled, or this mod would have never even gotten a chance.

[drifting berry]

i'm trying to figure out a good static friction model for the hauler

[drifting berry]

lol, thats quite harsh

atleast i fixed the steering desync 😛

[inland atlas]

The original cruiser's driving controls made me hate it so much i got headaches

and then never wanted to use it ever again

[drifting berry]

i love the controls

it takes time to get used to it

whether thats a long period of time depends on who you are

[inland atlas]

Different strokes for different folks. As for me, i was gonna have one if i had to keep using the vanilla controls. I really don't like bad controls. They are a bit of a pet peeve.

[drifting berry]

i wouldn't argue they're bad

they're just clunky

having to look at the shifter isn't something you really ever do irl when changing gears

for example

you kinda just learn where the different positions are

same for manual cars

my irl car is a stick shift

5 speed

[inland atlas]

I'm mainly more talking about how the cruiser never recentered its wheel so it was so damn difficult and touchy to drive

[drifting berry]

well i think the more pressing issue is the fact this mechanic is completely broken in vanilla

the front tyres desync from the angle of the wheel

[inland atlas]

The lack of gear shifter is just really annoying, the no wheel recentering was a deal breaker

[drifting berry]

which results in having to hold the steering wheel at a weird angle to keep it going straight

[drifting berry]

there is a gear shifter?

[drifting berry]

this is the thing i hated most

idk if you use mods like cruiserimproved but that has a fix for the steering desync

[inland atlas]

reverse, forward, park

[drifting berry]

plus it syncs the wheel in vanilla

[drifting berry]

yeah

PRD

my scanvan has PRND

:)

[inland atlas]

You know my dad has a manual truck. He says it works as an anti-theft device

[drifting berry]

are you in the US

if so, makes sense

[inland atlas]

yes

[drifting berry]

anyways an automatic shifter is still a gear shifter

the cruiser doesnt even have a proper transmission system

[inland atlas]

He once told me someone tried to steal his car and then immediately hopped out of the car as they didn't know how to drive it

[drifting berry]

lol

lmao

PRND

almost the PRNDL

[inland atlas]

oh good lord

[drifting berry]

lol

you can change gears with the scroll wheel in this vehicle

configurable keybind tho

[inland atlas]

well alright then. Different opinions for different people!

[drifting berry]

i'm refraining from going on a rant about the vanilla cc

and why i defend its control scheme

etc

to put it simply, the cruiser was never meant to be easy nor good to use

its meant to have a high skill ceiling

[inland atlas]

Yeah i know, but that just meant it never got used, period when i played or with other people

[drifting berry]

i also think having to look at stuff and interact is very lethal company

like everything else you have to interact with

[drifting berry]

well

if you think about it

at the time

nobody could drive

for one reason or another, it was a disaster for most people

but

as time progressed people got kinda used to it

and then the boost came and ruined everything

but

disregarding that

[inland atlas]

I have VERY few people even willing to play the game with me and they are heavily casual

[drifting berry]

if the cruiser was the same way, you have to ask, would people of gotten used to it still?

because i kinda feel like the answer is yes

even in its worst form the cruiser is still wildly overpowered and completely changes up gameplay

well, v55 to v56 is a very big leap in terms of cruiser gameplay but still

[drifting berry]

and it was high risk high reward

if used properly it was great

if you had no clue what you were doing

it was a disaster yes

[inland atlas]

wasn't the cruiser not even added until v56

[drifting berry]

it was v55

v56 added boost, increased durability, made items in the truck save in orbit, added enemy protection, fixed enemies seeing through cars, made crashes less lethal to occupants (damage instead of instakill)

also added the ability for weedkiller to heal the car

[inland atlas]

ah yes i love pouring weed killer into my engine lol

[drifting berry]

you couldn't do that in v55

you couldn't even rock the car in v55

if you got stuck in a ditch you were completely fucked

if you got stuck on a rock you had to get out and push

audience gasp

there was no spamming spacebar in these times

driving took real skill

...and luck i guess

[inland atlas]

oh boy here comes the "back in my day" rant

[drifting berry]

i can experience most of this again with my mod 😛

i just recently "fixed" old birds not seeing seated players

it makes moons like embrion a hell hole with the car

although that functionality is part of my tweaks mod

so its not just strictly for the v55 cruiser mod

[inland atlas]

seems like we are on different sides of the spectrum. I really dislike bullshit difficulty just for the sake of it and you really seem to like it

[drifting berry]

because that was the cruiser was meant to be

[inland atlas]

It's not fun, it just feels unfair and makes me want to quit. But some people really like it.

[drifting berry]

the cruiser is meant to be a dumpster fire

on wheels

well thats kinda the point

its not meant to be good

pretty much every piece of equipment you get is just cheaply made garbage lol

[inland atlas]

then why even waste the time adding it

[drifting berry]

because its fun 😛

infact zeeks does explain this

let me find the post

[inland atlas]

not really if its just a big middle finger

[inland atlas]

but like i said we seem to be on different sides of the spectrum

and hey thats okay!

It just matters that YOU are having fun at the end of the day right

[drifting berry]

i think v56 is what sucked all the fun out of the car

as thats what added the god forsaken cruiser boost ability

[inland atlas]

and yet i think it still sucked too much

[drifting berry]

the car being a heaping pile of garbage you had to try and drag to where you wanted was so fun

driving is always fun in games for me

cruiser no exception

[drifting berry]

but thats the thing

it was MEANT to suck

[inland atlas]

so like i said different strokes for different folks

[drifting berry]

it was MEANT to be bad

its not MEANT to be good

[inland atlas]

Okay i feel like you are pushing this a bit hard man.

I understand your viewpoint.

[drifting berry]

apologies if its coming off that way

[inland atlas]

I may not agree with it, but i understand.

[drifting berry]

i'm very opiniated when it comes to this, as i do not like what zeeks has been doing with the cruiser

[inland atlas]

and thats okay.

[drifting berry]

as of present the cruiser is an indestructible tank

[inland atlas]

good lord no its weak as a piece of wet cardboard lol

[drifting berry]

no its not

in v70 he buffed it

massively

most sources of damage were removed

dogs dont even damage the car now

[inland atlas]

but hey thats why there are mods

[drifting berry]

trees dont damage it anymore

the self regen was also buffed a fuck ton

it regens up to 25 hp now instead of 7

[inland atlas]

well im not here to engage in a rant about the cruiser for the next 3 hours

[drifting berry]

and by default it has 30 hp

[inland atlas]

thats why mods exist.

If you don't like it, change it!

[drifting berry]

i did

i'm just saying the cruiser isnt wet cardboard in present

lol

[inland atlas]

good for you

Seems like you really wanted someone to rant about the cruiser too and i guess i ended up being that person

[drifting berry]

apologies for that, it got onto that topic and i end up just going on a rant

i think that may be my autism at play 🥴

[drifting berry]

zeekerss actually buffed the car again even more in the most recent patch 😭

[inland atlas]

I mean i have autism as well, its probably why i have next to no friends

[drifting berry]

aw dont say that

thats not true

(the probably why part)

[inland atlas]

well i mean i have had people to tell me to "go be disabled somewhere else" and "stop poisoning my breathing air"

so yeah.

[drifting berry]

you have to learn to just ignore people like that

i know its difficult

but you can do it ♥️

[inland atlas]

Anyways im not here for a pity party. I just wanted to ask about hauler improvements lol

[drifting berry]

yeah this went completely off topic

i'll think about it as an accessibility option

i'm just strongly opiniated on stuff like that for the most part, even if the people would like it

[inland atlas]

an accessibility option would be great. Because then people can choose what they want.

and that choice is important. I would have quit lethal company after only 15 or so hours due to how punishingly unfair it is without mods and it never would have become one of my all time favorites

[drifting berry]

i think at the least i would rewrite how the gearbox config will work

because one thing i dont like is holding s, it instantly goes into reverse and shoots backwards

i think having to hold s, then it waits till the car comes to a near stop

or having to press s twice

like some games do iirc

i would "prefer that" than what bvc has

[drifting berry]

is it just the gear shift that annoys you in vanilla

just curious

[inland atlas]

100% vanilla, its the gear shift and the lack of steering wheel centering

[drifting berry]

i see

again the steering mechanic is broken in vanilla

so that probably doesnt help

like, you have to put your wheel 1/3 to the right to keep the car straight for example

and putting it neutral means the front wheels turn left

[inland atlas]

as for the gearbox, i only mean
the automatically switch between drive & reverse when pressing the forward/backwards buttons

not the auto-shuts off for you or whatever

[drifting berry]

i see i see

turning the engine off applies the brakes anyways

it putting the car in park when taking the key out doesn't really change much anyways

the car isn't going to roll away with the ignition off

[inland atlas]

Does this mod still work with the features of Cruiser Improved and Lategame Upgrades? It did in v72 but im curious if it still does in the v73 version

[drifting berry]

cruiserimproved has a bunch of vehicleID checks so that it doesnt conflict with modded vehicles, as for LGU no since in one of the updates for the Hauler, it got alot of its own code that is detached from vanilla, which mods like LGU do not touch

plus LGU is company cruiser upgrades not the hauler ;)

is there any specific features from cruiser improved you're wanting

[inland atlas]

Well thats a bummer its not longer compatible there but alright

[drifting berry]

its for the sake of the haulers own good

the vanilla code is pretty atrocious

[inland atlas]

kinda wish we got v72 hauler on v73 lol but I can understand wanting to do things your own way, Zeeker's is not a very good coder

But Cruiser Improved works from what you said right

[drifting berry]

the v72 hauler was dependant on alot of vanilla code

and i dont like depending on vanilla code

as it results in less flexibility, requires patching to make work right and means other mods that try to edit the vanilla CC can end up affecting the hauler

[inland atlas]

well that last part was the part i liked lol

[drifting berry]

cruiser improved has ID checks to try and prevent applying patches to modded vehicles

what specific features are you wanting from CI

for the hauler

i'm a maintainer of CI, fyi

[inland atlas]

... I did not expect that honestly since they are quality of life improvements and from what i saw in your previous rant, you really don't like QoL improvements

[drifting berry]

??????

i do like quality of life, wym

[inland atlas]

you went on a whole rant on how you like things to be tedious, almost broken and really difficult to use

mainly with the cruiser itself

[drifting berry]

that was in reference to the v55/vanilla cruiser

and mostly just that to an extent

:p

sorry if it came off that way but i do not dislike qol improvements

if you're talking about in reference to bettervehiclecontrols, thats not "quality of life" thats more "accessibility"

cruiserimproveds leaning feature for example is a quality of life, same for the seat boost

and the other stuff that it adds

[inland atlas]

well lets see here:

Prevent the Cruiser from sliding sideways down slopes (ie, when dropped off the magnet on Artifice).

[drifting berry]

now that i think about it i know i'm kind of playing two hands here

[inland atlas]

You really are

[inland atlas]

Slight invulnerability for the Cruiser after taking damage to reduce the damage taken by rolling or multi-impacts at low speed.

[drifting berry]

i'm indecisive 😛

[inland atlas]

Short invulnerability for the Cruiser when critically damaged (engine on fire) allowing players to react and escape before the Cruiser explodes.

[drifting berry]

the hauler already has anti-slide slip iirc but the hauler also doesnt have broken suspension so its not much of a problem

the damage vulnerability stuff is something i'll put on consideration for the hauler, i've not gotten round to dealing with the damage system yet

the hauler right now as it sits already has like 3x the health of the cc

lol

[inland atlas]

Thats mainly just because we bumped into a dog or something and then sudden death

like give a few seconds to react lol

[drifting berry]

i'm not really going to be doing any qol improvements to the current hauler, since y'know, reworking it and all, lel

i'll see how to go about the damage system

as for dogs, were you parked?

[inland atlas]

no, we were slowly trundling along, hit a dog and then BOOM

[drifting berry]

wh

did the cars physics like freak out

if so then yes i'm already very very very aware of how broken they are right now

[inland atlas]

It did a bit, but not much or anywhere near it would "normally" i just think it didnt like us tapping something

[drifting berry]

sounds about right

the haulers physics have been really broken since launch

[inland atlas]

well thats all I wanted to ask really. Its a shame so much compatibility was broken, but i do understand wanting to do things yourself rather than deal with Zeekers mess of spaghetti code

[drifting berry]

this isn't even something i can "fix for the meantime", not like i'd want to spend the time anyways since it's not worth it imo

[drifting berry]

compatibility wasn't "broken", it just requires custom compat on my end

i would argue that LGU cruiser upgrades should only be for the cruiser since this isn't a cruiser, but i know some people would probably like it to apply to all vehicles regardless

i don't use LGU cruiser upgrades personally so maybe i'm a little bias so i apologise in advance

[inland atlas]

Well i mean the point here is the upgrades are kind of rendered pointless if you have the money.

Why the hell invest in the shitty cruiser when you can just buy the better Hauler anyways

[drifting berry]

LGU support or anything of the sort is something that's just kind of on a backburner right now

i'm nowhere near the point of adding compat right now anyways

the hauler still needs sm work

[inland atlas]

Oh that makes total sense

im just saying does my logic make sense

[drifting berry]

iiiiiii guess

i would still argue that this isn't a cruiser, but like i said i know some people would like those upgrades to apply regardless

[inland atlas]

well the fluffy seats upgrade in particular could be universal even realistically lol

[drifting berry]

its going to feel less like a cruiser in the rework 😛

[drifting berry]

ah well yeah that's true

won't deny you on that

i would like to first get round to implementing a damage system first before i get round to considering something like LGU

i know i don't want it just 1:1 with vanillas system of damage

maybe like my scanvans damage system

[inland atlas]

Bumps wall, instant death

yeah i can understand not wanting that

[drifting berry]

vanillas isnt instant death

v55 was instant death

anything v56 and up was "damage to the player"

and you have to be going quite fast to even do that

it has to be enough to break the windshield

[drifting berry]

and you still had to be going fast enough

[inland atlas]

i guess i was thinking of the hauler lol

[drifting berry]

maybe, with how broken the haulers physics are i wouldn't doubt it

[inland atlas]

ok good i was about to retort with "what would be stopping you from adding more cushioning" lol

[drifting berry]

nothing, something like that just never crossed my mind + again i'll be giving the damage system some once overs so its not just a copy of vanilla

[inland atlas]

but yeah i wish you good luck with your project. It doesn't seem like many people talk in here very much so maybe i was a breath of fresh air lol

[drifting berry]

i think i would like the damage penalty to be reduced

this is a big beefy pickup

well, its a chevy pickup so the frame is probably made of rust and paper machete

but regardless

its a big beefy pickup

so i think it being able to withstand some brunt and protecting the people inside "makes sense" for the most part

[inland atlas]

😆 I love my paper machetes

they give killer paper cuts!

[drifting berry]

body on frame rust 😛

[drifting berry]

heyo people! wanted to gauge what ya'll think for:

what driving characteristics should the reworked hauler have?

i.e. good traction? slow turning? heavy steering feel? slow acceleration but fast speed? low speed but good torque? etc

[tidal gyro]

Considering we have rn :

• Vanilla Cruiser
• Boom's RR
• Ur EponymousVan

If the hauler is ported for v81, the best course of action would be to detail what each of these have distinctively from each others

[drifting berry]

i'm not sure if you are aware but i was and still are in the process of reworking the hauler from the ground up

[tidal gyro]

not aware no

[drifting berry]

all the code, physics, etc

[tidal gyro]

either way

I'd say

[drifting berry]

the model is basically the same but i did much touch up and much needed love to it

[tidal gyro]

the best course of action is not to reiterate an existing mod to avoid it feeling like a dupe of sort

[drifting berry]

also eponymousvan?? 😭

[drifting berry]

well, in my head i don't want it to "just feel like another cruiser"

but i don't know if giving it a level of technicality like my scanvan is the best idea for this truck

[tidal gyro]

well its a 4 seated vehicle

[drifting berry]

my scanvan is a very "unique" driving experience that is very tailored to that truck

[tidal gyro]

with less "protection" on the back than the cruiser

[drifting berry]

well yeah, no protection in the bed was something i was going to do already

the cruiser has a bit of an oversight in its enemy protection and it extended to the haulers too

i will make it "more reasonable" like my scanvan

anyways, this is the current state of the truck, if you wanted to see what the updated truck looks like

[tidal gyro]

not so far off from the original hauler

[drifting berry]

well, yeah, obviously

i don't want to stray too far from Glojams original desing

design*

i just gave it much needed fixes and general polish up

and some proportion changes of my own to make it look nicer

[tidal gyro]

hmm

btw what happened to him

[drifting berry]

he's okay! i still talk to Glojam every now and again, he's just a bit MIA from lethal company

[tidal gyro]

burnt out?

[drifting berry]

not sure, haven't asked him

[tidal gyro]

well, either way, kudos to u for taking care of his work now

[drifting berry]

i always liked the Hauler, and i felt confident enough that i could give it the love that it deserved

[tiny ledge]

i think the hauler should feel a bit "heavier" to drive (so having slower turning and heavier steering)
overall the hauler is basically a direct upgrade to the cruiser (which is fine if you make it even more expensive maybe?)
it already has a lot of upsides when compared to the vanilla cruiser (and it would be very tanky if it werent for the spontaneous combustion that used to/is still? happening sometimes)

glad to see you working on it again

[drifting berry]

the Hauler is already more expensive, i don't know how much of an upgrade it is (not to put the Hauler down or anything) but i don't really have any comments on this, apart from again, i don't think custom vehicles, hauler included, should be competing against the cruiser

getting a good balance will be hard, i know it was tedious on my scanvan haha

although i am "overally pretty happy" with where that van sits

i mean, the hauler has like, a roof (but so does the scanvan) that protects from enemies (although the hauler lacks any "bed cover" so you're exposed in the back, and 5 seats (the scanvan i guess only has 3 but it's still +1 more than the cruiser), it also has a bit more health (but again, so does the scanvan) although the scanvan has "overall more reasonable durability" when compared to the Hauler (as the hauler was using pre-v70 collision damage code)

the hauler has the train horn gimmick but like, i don't really know what utility that provides

it just attracts dogs

i don't really see anyone realistically using that

the hauler is a bit easier to drive when compared to something like the scanvan, but that's just because it has an identical control scheme to the Cruiser

so if you just compare hauler/cruiser, there's no benefit in the control scheme department

and i guess to an extent i'm fine with that

i will probably add some stuff like "the car must be near stationary to shift into reverse" and a "hold the brake pedal while starting" like on most real automatic cars (holding the brake was also a thing when the ScanVan was an automatic)

but that doesn't impact much

it's more just a "mild immersion" thing

[drifting berry]

the most expensie the hauler has ever been was like

600 credits at launch iirc

but people complained it was too expensive for what the car offered iirc

[tiny ledge]

well i think base cruiser should be more expensive to begin with but i think the added roof (basically invalidating all outside enemies from being able to do anything) is a pretty good upside
the scanvan has very difficult controls to compensate, so i think the hauler being a bit more expensive is fine

[drifting berry]

you also aren't completely impervious in the scanvan

wreckless driving and losing the windshield makes you vulnerable to some enemies

[tiny ledge]

that is a good idea

[drifting berry]

having certain doors open also makes you vulnerable

i would also like to make window state matter

for front cabin occupants

on the hauler i will probably also account for the sunroof

[tiny ledge]

i am going to assume you know how to drive without hitting anything

[drifting berry]

nah i still hit shit

lol

not even i, as the creator, are perfect at the car

just like zeekerss and his cruiser

[tiny ledge]

i also dont mind the biggest downside to the hauler (having no boosts) as i mostly play modded moons where i wont do any boost jumps anyway

[drifting berry]

i forgot the hauler had no boosts

icl

i also forget my scanvan has them for the most part

[tiny ledge]

like for someone playing mainly art that might be an issue

[drifting berry]

well no because it takes

about

4 seconds

to drive to ship

[tiny ledge]

tbf the boost is very situational on the scanvan

[drifting berry]

maybe a mild exaggeration but my point is "driving to ship is usually a very fast process"

the big boost is

[tiny ledge]

there is a reason most players jump the cruiser back on art

[drifting berry]

because they're lame =)

i mean to an extent i don't like, "blame them" considering their "end goal"

but i don't agree with boosting the car across the map

and nulling all the danger

[tiny ledge]

yeah esp art has like the easiest inputs

i feel like the majority of players jump the cruiser there

[drifting berry]

it's an intentional feature that's there, and it helps them get all their loot back safely with little to no danger, so i can see why they use it

but that doesn't mean i agree with it at all

[tiny ledge]

there is a jump on every moon (even on like titan) but they require a lot more practice

[drifting berry]

i think it makes the cruiser dumb stupidly overpowered and players usually get to avoid interacting with anything on the map

using the car on titan is just

no other word for it

dumb

and pointless

and a waste of time

[tiny ledge]

but as i said i mostly play on modded moons where driving is usually better anyways

[drifting berry]

that's fair

[tiny ledge]

if you know how to do the jump it is easier to loot

[drifting berry]

but the ship is 3 feet away

this is a genuinely pointless waste of time

by the time you get the car up there, you could of jetpacked up and gotten a bunch of loot already

[tiny ledge]

yeah it is only something you would go for in a squads run that tries to optimize titan as much as possible

which nobody is doing because titan is terrible

just saying i have seen it being used in a livestream before

back to hauler you dont really have to go too crazy with the changes

the things you have pointed out are all great additions

[drifting berry]

i think i might add some form of basic gear system, like the scanvan has had for a while (even when it was an automatic) but that's solely because i like hearing the engine go through the gears when driving

[tiny ledge]

and obv fix all the bugs with it (it has been a while since i last used it but it used to randomly fly in the air or just randomly explode sometimes)

[drifting berry]

and also because real automatics have gears, lol

yes that is fixed in the revamp

it is overall a much more stable vehicle already

[tiny ledge]

will it be noticeable when driving or just an audio thing

[drifting berry]

it would probably have an impact on driving but i have also thought about making it more just audial + the visual tachometer in the truck

[tiny ledge]

there are automatics (mainly older ones) that shift very unpleasantly

[drifting berry]

oh, no it wouldn't be that level

of realism

[tiny ledge]

yeah would be neat

[drifting berry]

it would just reach the "shift rpm" then cut the throttle, very short delay, change gear, then give back control of the throttle

like the scanvan did pre-release when it was an automatic

[drifting berry]

this thing can do some kickass slides

anyways, currently playing the "fiddle with numbers" game

[fast onyx]

nah i am just satisfied and dont want to put time into it that can be placed into new projects

[ionic iron]

:O

hi Glojam!

hope youve been doing great!

we miss the hauler but yeah its understandable

[fast onyx]

thanks cheese

[ionic iron]

i hope your next projects are as amazing or more than this one!

[drifting berry]

currently implementing the old ScanVans drivetrain system into the Hauler

should compliment it very well, i believe

[drifting berry]

map hauler

been driving it around OOB on experimentation and it's pretty fun

i think the "driving physics" side of things is "done"

i need to just sync a bunch of things in multiplayer but i can do that later

[warped mountain]

I'm guessing you can't have hauler and scanvan on the same moon? Lol

Awesome work!!

[drifting berry]

correct

they both use vehiclecontroller

[drifting berry]

i misread that at first and thought you said "can"

aplogies, i meant "yeah you can't have both"

[warped mountain]

No problem I still understood hahah

If only you could snap your fingers and swap to dawnlib!!!

[drifting berry]

blegh

[tiny ledge]

does dawnlib allow multiple vehicles at once?

[drifting berry]

yes

[tiny ledge]

oh interesting

how is the magnet problem solved

do they just get despawned and spawn back in when landing

[drifting berry]

you can create seperate stations

like secondary magnets

that are movable ship objects

i have not experimented with it nor do i have a gist for how it'll work

[tiny ledge]

and i thought zeek coded vehicles in a way that does not allow multiple vehicles and that interaction between them is buggy

[drifting berry]

dawnlib uses its own VehicleBase which is a blank slate for creators

not vehiclecontroller

[tiny ledge]

there is no mod using it rn right?

[drifting berry]

correct

[ionic iron]

Omg that would be so peak

Tho no idea how magnet would work

[drifting berry]

begun work animating the windows, and also making the sunroof work + adding the "sunroof snip" feature

also fixed an issue where the sunroofs snip audio wouldn't sync properly, so that's cool-io

[drifting berry]

another radio remodel, will be dropping the train horn (sorry Glojam!) but it was just a pretty pointless gimmick, plus the button glass awkwardly kept clipping into stuff

i may flesh it out later and add numbers/buttons to it like my ScanVan, and make it glow with the headlamps being on

[frosty elm]

NOO NOT THE TRAIN HORN

PLEASE

KEEP IT SOMEHOW

it was unique, funny, and a good way to bait dogs

[drifting berry]

sorry mane, aside from the button glass clipping it was a really pointless gimmick

[frosty elm]

dog bait

[drifting berry]

if i can think of a better way to integrate it i will

yeah but why would you want to lure the dogs to your car

lol

[frosty elm]

people buy walkies to bait dogs

so

[frosty elm]

to get them off your friends

[drifting berry]

i have never seen this

[frosty elm]

then, drive back to ship

[frosty elm]

its pretty common

[frosty elm]

this is a valid strategy

[drifting berry]

since i don't want to go too against Glojams original design/intent

[frosty elm]

make it one of those roof-mounted pull horns

[drifting berry]

i mean can't you just honk the horn

i could make the horn a bit louder so it reaches farther

[frosty elm]

i want it to attract EVERYTHANG

and making the normal horn do that is kinda odd

[drifting berry]

no it wouldn't attract everything

lol

i mean, i could add like

"two horns" to the steering wheel

like what some cars have

@fast onyx hate to bother you about this but, whenever this rework is done, would you mind updating the service manual photos and information? (since not everything on the rework is 100% identical) as i suck at doing anything with the manual, and it'd look alot better if you did it your way

like the train horn thing i'm probably going to integrate into the steering wheel as "two seperate horns" one way or another

[fast onyx]

its viable, would take a minute though

[drifting berry]

thank you!!

working on the steering animation, urgh, i hate this part

[ionic iron]

you can do it!!

[drifting berry]

i've done it before it just takes

patience

okay, animated like 1/6th of the steering animation

aargh

are we serious

[drifting berry]

okay, the third person steering animation is finally done

i still need to do the first person one.. urgh..

i will continue this later, good progress though

the sitting animation and half of the steering animation done

the steering was the one i was dreading most

[thin wind]

Peak

[warped mountain]

you got this scandal

nice work dude, the rework looks awesome

[drifting berry]

so the steering animation is done

i did begin doing the shifter animation

i'm also starting work on actually implementing the custom animator code ingame

[drifting berry]

increased the size of the gauge cluster to better match the scale on the original model

;p

[drifting berry]

oh man, the animations look alot better than i thought they would haha

they're by no means perfect, but i'm doing what i can!!

[drifting berry]

improved the rim model

[drifting berry]

player ignition animations are mostly complete

they just need some minor refinement

then i need to make the key turn visually and be in the players hand when inserting or removing it

[warped mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-silly-dance-sped-up-funny-gif-5537516839119985830

[drifting berry]

the steering animation still bugs me slightly, mainly the thumbs

anyways, all the key visuals and stuff are basically done

[drifting berry]

slowly improving the steering animation

its slowly coming together

not related to the hauler but i've been doing a heckin ton of optimisations and shit for my v55 car

whew

also trying out some new stuff in prep for the hauler

[drifting berry]

i'm going to actually be looking into a better solution for "vehicle zones"

mainly in terms of "how i sync them so people like the host can read whether a player is in X zone or not)

[drifting berry]

after reversing the steering animation it looks alot better

this also made me realise the cruisers should probably be reversed too

if you know anything about the push-pull technique, and you slowly turn the cruisers wheel, you'll realise how nonsensical the employees hand movements are for the direction the wheel is turning

reversing it looks way more believable and it's fun to see the employees hand actually "push" in the way of the wheels direction

it's really subtle but once you notice it, you can't unsee it

i have already fixed this for the hauler, i may do it for the v55 car and the scanvan will get it for sure

the haulers is way more noticeable due to it being a custom animation animated by me

[heavy crescent]

trying to start your duramax in 15f weather

[drifting berry]

true =)

[drifting berry]

No

[remote leaf]

When will it be VR compatible?

[drifting berry]

when i feel like tackling it

[remote leaf]

buying a VR headset

[drifting berry]

implemented the backseats (includes middle seat)
added push triggers
added triggers for the gear stick

it's looking good x3

also implemented brake lights + back lights

the center high mounted light can also work seperately

it is slowly feeling more complete.. haha..

[warped mountain]

nice!!!!

[drifting berry]

writing my own version of a physics region, with a couple of optimisations and such, but it will also be useable for my "vehicle zones" without needing to run two ontriggerstays 😄

just rebuilding my bundles after 400 years so i can finally test all the new changes i've made 🙂

[thin wind]

holy dedication

[drifting berry]

well alot of this stuff will also be put into my other vehicles as well 🙂

[warped mountain]

👁️ 👁️

there will be a scanvan 2?!

I'm happy to hear development is going well Scandal!

[drifting berry]

nah lol

i'll just be optimising a bunch of stuff after i'm done with the hauler

and giving it some general polish under the hood

[warped mountain]

hahaha that's fine

I just saw VEHICLES.. and I thought there was another one in the works I wasn't aware of 👀

[drifting berry]

all the player zone stuff for the hauler seems like it's working and a-okay, i've also made yet more alterations to the ignition animations to hopefully prevent the wrong key animation playing once and for all

[winter ermine]

Honestly I always thought the hauler would have really good handling

It would be a car that's easier to drive and is smaller, but it also has the weakness of less secure loot since there's no actual roof or compartment at the back, so enemies can just pick the stuff up out the back if they wanted, that and lacking boost jumps in place of other utilities

(I know I'm a week late but I just got off of my burn-out break, among other stuff)

[drifting berry]

personally i think it should have heavy turning since it's a humongous pickup truck

[drifting berry]

it is absolutely not smaller, it's larger than my scanvan and i didn't mess with the overall sizing, i just changed the front end proportions to look a bit nicer and provide slightly better visibility out the windshield (and fixed some odd issue with the rest of the model)

the skill it takes to drive is about the same as the cruiser

basic park reverse drive, gas pedal and brake pedal, manual recentering of the wheel

items being exposed in the back only really matters if a baboon can even see into the back and reach into the back

the hauler has pros such as "being fairly tanky", being able to carry 5 people while providing protection from enemies, and has a large health buffer, but some cons i've come up with are:

• No full regen in orbit, must spend money on weedkiller to upkeep the huge health buffer
• Spongy brakes, mid acceleration (though I am adding stuff like a locked diff front and back to aid in getting over terrain and it's not going to be completely incapable) and slow-ish steering (somewhere inbetween scanvan and cruiser in terms of speed). it's a big old american pickup afterall, they're like piloting the titanic

the lack of boost is something i'll respect as Glojams original design intent

[drifting berry]

for the record, my v55 cruiser and the hauler side by side

the hauler is huge

[heavy crescent]

car from 2026 meets car from 1986

[drifting berry]

2007 hauler

[heavy crescent]

[drifting berry]

the hauler is canonically a 2007

[drifting berry]

progress on the hauler is so good right now

i don't think there's really much else left to do on it except do a bit of quick multiplayer testing

and maybe a tad bit extra polish and a couple once overs

but everything is "basically done"

all the animations, interactions, etc

[drifting berry]

mmmhf

getting closer the more i work on this..

[tiny ledge]

are you releasing it today?

[warped mountain]

👁️

[drifting berry]

i'm kinda hoping for it but no promises

currently fighting with unities stupid wheel collider again

[drifting berry]

okay, unities stupid fucking wheel collider component is actual garbage and i'll just have to live with it like this for now

i am so unbelievably annoyed how garbage the wheel collider component is

this is part of the reason why the scanvan has such a weird friction curve

and now it's deciding to be a jittery mess

great

i just

cannot escape physics instability

it haunts the hauler i stfg

[tiny ledge]

if it is not worse than before it should be fine (?)

at least i dont remember any problems when using it

[drifting berry]

well this issue is (new) and causing super bad instability at speed

[drifting berry]

the hauler was very unstable lel

i'm just currently fighting unities shit wheel colliders to try and make them act stable

[tiny ledge]

ig yeah the vanilla cruiser feels a lot more stable but it was not terrible before

[drifting berry]

the vanilla cruiser is awful in terms of its physics

beelieve me i would know

[tiny ledge]

i have gotten used to it by now

so it feels normal

def not when first using it

[drifting berry]

the main issue with the cruiser is that the wheels have too low of a sprung mass

it causes super erratic jittering all the time

and it's really bad at speed

the wheels just cannot hold up the weight of the chassis and the chassis slams down onto the wheels at all times

[tiny ledge]

when exceeding a certain speed the cruiser also swerves around and rolls over (which will often make it explode)

[drifting berry]

yes, this is because of the sprung mass

why is unity doing this to me

why does the hauler have this curse

_ _
i can make the v55 car drive flawlessly, i made my scanvan drive flawlessly

but even when i redo

EVERYTHING

from the ground up

the hauler still drives

erratically

i mean, atleast this is some different issue and not weird collider bugs

but this is still

beyond annoying

if it's what i think it is then i'll be beyond annoyed

nope, that changed literally nothing

[drifting berry]

this has like, put a complete halt on me releasing this today, i'm not releasing a buggy unstable mess on wheels

i have no idea why it's just suddenly doing this

even basically copy pasting the scanvans stuff over still results in a jittery mess at speed

but the scanvan is not a jittery mess at speed

there's absolutely nothing wrong with the physics and i have triple checked everything over multiple times

the suspension is fine, the sprung mass is fine, the friction values are a bit slippy but they're fine

the center of mass is fine, everything else is fine

but it's just acting like this

[drifting berry]

yikes. after much fighting i think i have it in a "half stable state" now

okay, i'm going to have to upgrade these brakes

otherwise this thing is just

an utter death trap

i was slamming on the brakes after going full speed and it took a hot dam minute to even start slowing down 😭

[drifting berry]

okay, i need to run some errands, then i can run a quick multiplayer test 😁

i've improved the brakes, ran a few local tests to make sure the car isn't a jittery unstable mess anymore

and it seems fine now

[tiny ledge]

nice

there is a good reason why so few modders mess with vehicles

[drifting berry]

you have to get super hacky and do some weird shit when dealing with unity wheels

yes

unity wheels FUCKING SUCK!!!

and writing your own wheel collider is literally good fucking luck

[tiny ledge]

at least you somehow fixed it

[drifting berry]

it's probably barely even fixed but i just know it seems much more stable and it's something i'd be happy releasing

i also increased the sprung mass of the rear wheels

i think the chassis of the car was sagging under acceleration at the rear

and causing weird hopping

i think that might've been one of the main issues

[tiny ledge]

i am sure any leftover issues become apparent as soon as players start using it

[drifting berry]

lol, we'll see when the time comes

[tiny ledge]

that is how it always goes

[drifting berry]

it'll be a hell of a lot more stable than before, i can assure of that

[tiny ledge]

but it is good you are taking your time and doing proper tests

[drifting berry]

yes

i want to try and turn the haulers reputation around

from being a "buggy mostly useless mess"

into something players can actually use and take advantage of to its fullest

[tiny ledge]

have seen way to many mods with bugs that would have definitely been found if they had playtested the mod

[drifting berry]

and also so people can just like, have fun, without random physics bullshit

[tiny ledge]

apart from randomly exploding it mostly worked for me

[drifting berry]

it was really bad physics wise

[tiny ledge]

i think it just took a ton of damage sometimes

[drifting berry]

anyways, working on the scanvan has helped a fuck ton

[tiny ledge]

every time i looked at its hp it was close to 0

[drifting berry]

not only have i been able to transfer stuff from it to the hauler, but i have been using the scanvan as a learning tool

[drifting berry]

it was using pre v70 cruiser durability

;p

i've adjusted the durability in the rework but i have no idea how good it is

so i'll just have to see what players think of it

[tiny ledge]

no like it took damage from nothing

[drifting berry]

oh

that shouldn't happen in the rework

lol

[drifting berry]

back from errands

time for the multiplayer test

i don't need to test much

i just need to make sure the wheel RPM and the engine RPM are synced

i already know the position and steering wheel are

[drifting berry]

testing in MP

i only notice like

two issues

and they should be "easy" to fix

[thin wind]

idk why

but this looks funny

[drifting berry]

ack, maybe not an update today =( a bit hung up on some stuff right now

but i do mean it when i say this thing is genuinely so dam close

fixed some other issues on the hauler that i found during my mp test anyways

i've also sent the files to glojam so he can toy around with it to see what he thinks

[drifting berry]

v2.0.0 The overHAUL is out!!

• Updated for v81+
• Completely overHAULed the entire pickup.
  • This includes new animations, an improved model, various fixes, tons of code re-write, much improved physics, and much more!

i'm expecting numerous bug reports at any point due to the monumental amount of changes under the hood, i'll be at the ready though

also the readme is slightly lying the hauler is 560 credits

forgot to change the price

sorree, will fix later

[drifting berry]

miss it no more as i have unleashed thy overhaul upon the world

i hope people genuinely enjoy this rework, i am ever so grateful for @fast onyx to pass the torch onto me to keep this mod alive, and i hope people will be able to enjoy it too, without the numerous physics bugs, this time ♥️

the car is going to feel different to drive in the rework, differently from the fork that i gave to glojam originally and differently to before that

it's a mix of pre-release scanvan and a bit of v55 car

so, pretty much like what i imagined it would always be like

[ionic iron]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

OMG OMG

MOD SHOWCASE

NOW

[drifting berry]

not really worth putting in showcase because it's not technically a new mod

it's just a major overhaul

i mean, i could

[warped mountain]

I think it's worth it to put in showcase

Wasn't this mod very unstable before?

Maybe people stopped using it because of that

[drifting berry]

yes

[warped mountain]

[drifting berry]

it is done

[ionic iron]

lets goooo

so happy!!!!!

scandal the vehicle god

[thin wind]

i don't see in the thunderstore

there we go

need to reinstall th app

[thin wind]

So the company hauler is very easy to use in general, even more easier then the cruiser, it feels like similar to the cruiser gameplay. the steering wheel is more easy to manage and it's more easy to center the wheel. Also the changing gear being right side of the steering wheel is nice.

There's something wrong with the crashes with this vehicle, i was going full speed and hitted a wall and i just got this damage

very easy to kill other monsters as well

hey, would be cool if you can storage items here

also you can't get killed by other mobs while inside and if your is windows close

i would say it's > then cruiser, but costs more and idk if it's inteaded, but it's kinda more lightweigted

so monsters can push the car around more easily

also, if you are inside the car and the sunroof is open, you can't go up and stick your head out. You have to leave the car and jump in

[ionic iron]

hauler is meant to me like a tank

way beefier than the cruiser

but doesnt have boosts

[warped mountain]

scanvan storage compartment flashbacks..

[ionic iron]

Make it so you can only save items

And maybe keys :3

[drifting berry]

it's meant to be tanky

[drifting berry]

Yeah i do be aware, not entirely bothered by this

[drifting berry]

It weighs more than the cruiser and has less torque force than the cruiser when being pushed around by enemies

[drifting berry]

Yes

Having the sunroof open or windshield broken can also make you vulnerable

Honestly waking up to hear basically zero issues is such a good feeling

woops, the mirrors still render triggers

er

noted, will fix this "soon"

[thin wind]

Yeah

If the sunrood is open you cant exit the car i think

[drifting berry]

what

[thin wind]

Would be funny

[thin wind]

The buttom to exit kinda disappers

[drifting berry]

i can exit the car just fine with the sunroof open

not on my end

i have just opened the sunroof

[thin wind]

In the second seat ?

[thin wind]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-activity-gif-27155505

[drifting berry]

expect two things in v2.0.1 soon

culling mask fix for the mirrors

and a false advertisement price fix

other than that i'm not presently aware of any other issues

[tiny ledge]

items still save when going to orbit with it right?

[drifting berry]

yes

why would they not

[tiny ledge]

idk i thought i read they would not

[drifting berry]

it's something i thought about, but it would be too unfair even if it made sense

[tiny ledge]

does it auto puts items in ship with cruiser additions installed or will that option only apply to the normal cruiser?

[drifting berry]

idk

i don't use cruiser additions and it depends how the author of cruiser additions set that feature up

it's not a feature i exactly care about either

[tiny ledge]

yeah the items are technically not in an enclosed space but at the same time items on the roof of the cruiser also are not lost

[drifting berry]

items in my v55 car are lost because "authenticity", and my scanvan only loses items on the storage roof or in the back with any of the doors open

otherwise items are safe on the scanvan, incl the roofrack

[tiny ledge]

fair i just remember the hauler used to be identical to the cruiser (i think even bvc worked?)

[drifting berry]

bvc worked for a little while until i gave glojam my old fork for a while

but it won't anymore

lol

the thing was the hauler was using 99% base cruiser scripts before

with no change

[tiny ledge]

that is fine i dont need it to

[drifting berry]

the steering wheel isn't broken so you can put it back to center yourself ;)

[drifting berry]

this is only because the hauler now runs its own code independant from the cruiser

so most mods that touch the base script won't touch the haulers

unless they explicitly patch the hauler

of which i'm aware of 0 mods taht do this

[tiny ledge]

i hate how the steering wheel is not consistent with the tires in vanilla

[drifting berry]

yes, this is annoying

but in a weird way i find it charming (but mainly only on my v55 car)

even so turning off true-v55 in the config matches the tires directly to the steering wheel

it makes the car feel much heavier to steer, but that's fine, and i guess it fits with the overall theme

[tiny ledge]

not sure what bvc does internally and how difficult it would be to add compat for it

[drifting berry]

of being difficult to control and clunky to use

[drifting berry]

it would be easy and i could just add my own implementation

bvc just patches getvehicleinput

but the hauler runs its own

same for the v55 car

same for scanvan

[tiny ledge]

i see

[drifting berry]

i would rather bvc only work for the vanilla car out the box but it doesn't matter too much since i run my own logic anyways

[drifting berry]

this is especially because i don't use the fix cruiserimproved uses

i don't limit the steering wheel to 1/3 of its full rotation

[tiny ledge]

if it isnt too difficult you can maybe add a config for it

[drifting berry]

it's not hard no i'm just not interested in doing it right now

the haulers turning is very manageable as is right now

[tiny ledge]

yeah i have to actually test it xd

[drifting berry]

i also just love the manual recentering gimmick

lethal company is the only game i have ever seen do this

[tiny ledge]

but i can manage the vanilla cruiser so i dont need it either

[drifting berry]

having to manually turn the wheel back to where you want to go is very fun and i find it much more engaging than just "no input automatically center the wheel"

if i do add auto centering it'll be like the scanvans updated auto centering

where the wheel only starts going back when you begin moving

and the speed it centers at varies on vehicle speed

even still i think auto centering looks a bit weird at times

probably because of the employees hand movements

[tiny ledge]

i mean that is realistic to some degree

[drifting berry]

yes it is

lel

[tiny ledge]

and the way you implemented it for the scanvan was a lot better than just insta center (which does not make any sense)

[drifting berry]

i hate insta center

i only put up with that when bvc was relatively new and it was the only ""fix"" for the steering wheel desync at the time

circa 2024

insta center just feels really bad and it's really boring

okay imperium i don't think that's a hauler

[tiny ledge]

yeah that is also the only reason i used it

ideally zeek fixes the cruisers tires

[drifting berry]

true

but i dont think he will

v2.0.1 haulering

• Fixed false-advertisement pricing
• Fixed culling mask for the mirrors

now i can focus on fixing the v55 car.. haha..

[tidal gyro]

Eager to try it out

[ionic iron]

What about the glove compartment idea :3

[drifting berry]

this is something i spoke with Glojam about before and it is something that i have planned

but after seeing how much of a disaster the utility compartment on my scanvan was

i'm hesitant

anyWays 2.0.2 will be out soon.. with the most important fix... the windshield wiper animations

[drifting berry]

fixed ;p

seriously, the weird ignition animation bug is still there

this permeates through all my vehicles

i genuinely don't know what causes it

i think it's some weird combination of holding a trigger down before getting in/out and then cancelling the ignition but trying it quickly

but i really don't know

[ionic iron]

Would be amazing!!

I do think it makes sense if its only for store items and maybe keys

[drifting berry]

my only issue is items just getting perma stuck there

this happened with the scanvans utility compartment that i had to remove

[ionic iron]

Oooohhh

:(

[tiny ledge]

after testing a bit this has the best feeling controls out of any of the cars

only thing i would kind of like having a button to shift between reverse and driving because shifting is so close to the ignition trigger (maybe with scroll wheel like the scanvan as an option?)

• enemysoundfixes muting cruiser in orbit works with it

[drifting berry]

i don't really have much input on this because, in terms of controls, it's kind of identical to the cruiser, which is like, okay, i guess, i don't know if it's anything special though

and i am a little biased towards my ScanVan, of course

while the manual gearbox may not be entirely intuitive for most people, it is infinitely more fun than just "hold W to go forward in drive"

a manual transmission is always inherently more fun as you actually have to engage with the car; the clutch, the risk of stalling, the risk of grinding gears, it all comes together to "make the experience"

[drifting berry]

i will think about this but the main reason the scanvan has keybinded shifting is because looking at the shifter to change gears in a manual would be hellish and fucking god awful

[drifting berry]

i can implement this kind of easily like i did with my scanvan and v55 car

no ETA on that because it's not a priority

[drifting berry]

because like, you can't just "hold W to go forward"

you want to go faster? got to change gear

are you slowing down? got to manage your braking and clutch inputs to prevent stalling

and manage your gears so you don't "lug" the engine

i don't really think i could make the hauler "more engaging" even if i wanted to

[tiny ledge]

fair it isnt anything unique like your scanvan i just like the way it feels (which is very different compared to the cruiser hard to put it into words)

[drifting berry]

yeah that's fair

i did try to make it somewhat different

[tiny ledge]

i meant that already works

[drifting berry]

it's using a mix of my old scanvans drivetrain from when it was an automatic

i do like how it drives right now

and i think it's better than just being a carbon copy cruiser clone

[tiny ledge]

the controls themself are ofc just w and s xd

[drifting berry]

ESF doesn't work for scanvan/hauler/v55 car

i have to implement it myself due to my own LateUpdate implementation

my scanvan has its own implementation for example

[tiny ledge]

huh it just worked

[drifting berry]

i have my own implementation

because i also have to mute extra audios

that the cruiser doesn't have normally

[tiny ledge]

ah lol you auto mute it

[drifting berry]

yeah, and i'm fine with that for the hauler since it's an automatic, lol

[drifting berry]

yes, same implementation as ESF but for my van

[drifting berry]

even if i wanted to do i couldn't really think of a way to make this different or "more engaging"

i'm fine with the core W being the gas S always being the brake ofc

and changing gears yourself in one way or another

the hauler has a "drivetrain" system with 5 gears, but the math behind the drivetrain is a little funky (for the sake of gameplay mainly)

and it doesn't matter as much because the car shifts through gears for you automatically in drive anyways

i mainly just like hearing the engine go through gears

plus the hauler has always had a tachometer

[tiny ledge]

i know i just noticed that the interact triggers are really close together when changing to reverse and back to drive

[drifting berry]

i do be aware

it's not like, terrible to deal with, but i'll keep it at the back of my mind to "maybe look into it"

[tiny ledge]

yeah it is not too bad only really noticeable when you have to adjust (so going back and forth between reverse and drive)

[tiny ledge]

yeah that kind of feedback is something i wish the vanilla cruiser would have

[drifting berry]

just you wait till i add brake shift interlocking 🧌

[drifting berry]

well the cruiser doesn't simulate a drivetrain

lol

it doesn't have gears in the way my scanvan/the hauler does

it doesn't even simulate an engine