Science Bird Mods

[north iris]

zeekerssrblx quiz what is official trio name of vow march and adamance win free shotgun if right!!!

[trail patrol]

like how do you NOT include the main thing the game is about in your lore

[trail patrol]

the green withces

FUCK

withces

FUCK

[north iris]

fail

[trail patrol]

witches

[dense yoke]

I’m not a particular fan of the “this place is owned by the company, it’s dangerous and you aren’t meant to be here” since it’s quite unimaginative and has been done a lot by now.

[lean pendant]

fyi, another tweak I have for improving spike trap feedback is muting the screeching audio when you walk under it if it's disabled (cant remember where but it's in config somewhere)

[shadow lily]

The difference between pillagers and the Company is, again, the mysterious nature of it

There's a reason the Company is seen almost nowhere else, and is hard to track down

[dense yoke]

CodeRebirth does expanding on the company’s lore well. But when moons just mention it’s owned by the company and don’t elaborate too much further it does feel kind of out of place

Also the age old masked or old bird spam

[shadow lily]

Assteroid-13

[dense yoke]

Coilhead spam is kind of funny to be fair

[shadow lily]

No, the masked during eclipses

[dense yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scratch-gif-26163158

[lean pendant]

im kind of guilty of this with Wither but I wanted an excuse to make an elaborate fake interior section lol

[shadow lily]

Wither is related to the Company?

[dense yoke]

Feels kind of like conspiracy theorists rushing to blame aliens or the shadow government LMAO

It’s the go to

[shadow lily]

I just realized, is it spelt Company, or The Company

[lean pendant]

The Company usually I think

[dense yoke]

The company has a name but it’s usually just referred to as “the company” by the speaker on the company building and a few other places

[shadow lily]

Yeah, makes more sense, since I'm almost referring to it as a common noun here

So the, "The," would be capitalized

[trail patrol]

well the pillagers are also really vague and mysterious with what they're trying to achieve

[lean pendant]

it is capitalized usually so maybe that's just what it's called

[shadow lily]

Idk man

[trail patrol]

idk what moons do this really, all I can think of are moons that have the company logo in x place

[shadow lily]

Generic's Company moon kind of makes sense, but it's also confusing to why we're looting it to begin with if.. it's already owned and operated by The Company

[dense yoke]

Rosie has a few moons like that iirc, I haven’t played her moons for a while

She did flesh it out a bit with some storytelling and sector0 but it was still a little vague

[shadow lily]

I'm not gonna even get into Sector-0

[trail patrol]

oh like sector-0?

[trail patrol]

corrosion?

[shadow lily]

No, the one /w outside loot and hoarding bugs

[trail patrol]

oooh the scrapyard

[shadow lily]

Yeag

[trail patrol]

well I would assume it's defunct which is why there's actively no trash being transported there

[shadow lily]

IIRC it doesn't even mention that fact in its info log, so it's even weirder

[dense yoke]

I think it’s not as bad since it’s not just directly thrown around as “an abandoned company moon” with little explanation or anything following it

[trail patrol]

well I'm just assuming, since there's barely any activity there

[trail patrol]

ye at least it's a lil more creative with it

I think (now that I understand what type of moon y'all mean) the grievance is totally justified tho

it's a bit of a cliché

[shadow lily]

It would be weird why they wouldn't be hidden to begin with considering The Company's track record

[dense yoke]

They likely wouldn’t care since it’s just a scrapyard that doesn’t belong to them

[shadow lily]

Similar to Artifice and Embrion, but they were probably hidden due to in-universe political reasons

[dense yoke]

Mostly all the company is hiding is stuff actually revolving around the monster in the walls

[shadow lily]

Yeah 100% no fucking way The Company would realistically allow you to travel to moons like Sector-0

They want that shit hidden

They would ied your ship immediately if you were to ever discover one

[dense yoke]

There’s also the weird crap with the vent, seeing Richard after he died and Sigurds memory but those are kind of still unexplained and intentionally vague

[shadow lily]

Oh yeah, dunno what Zeekerss was cooking with that

I wouldn't be surprised if Richard actually became an entity similar to The Ghost Girl

[trail patrol]

i mean isn't S-0 just gordion's backside

[shadow lily]

Yeah, I still imagine the Company would in-universe send your ass into orbit due to all of the shady leftover tech and experiments kept there

[lean pendant]

I haven't played the wesley campaign in a while so idk how it ties in story-wise, but Repress is probably my favourite of the company themed moons in terms of visual design

[trail patrol]

the shit with the vent was so uncanny cuz it ALMOST confirmed wendigoon's theory to me

[trail patrol]

it's a good take yeah

[dense yoke]

It’s not impossible that Sigurds hallucinating, but with how much weird anomalous crap is going on with the mansion I wouldn’t be too shocked. Body horror is a common theme with the mansion monsters

[shadow lily]

What's Repress' deal?

[dense yoke]

What was his theory again? I don’t think I watched the entire video

[trail patrol]

unsure really but it looks really good

[shadow lily]

Imagine Richard transitioned as he was becoming a ghost and became the Ghost Girl
Transition goals

Idk why my mind when to typing joke but I meant ghost

[shadow lily]

Eww Wendigoon

[dense yoke]

Hed still have to become a child though

Richard being a child when he was alive is the funniest concept

[shadow lily]

Idk if The Ghost Girl is actually a child though, I was joking anyways

No shot he's actually that entity

[trail patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003384146124624043/1390793669044342804/IMG_6343.gif

you're losing monty points by the minute samantha

[shadow lily]

Idk I just recall him being in some Turkey Tom-type worldviews

I've avoided him ever since then

[trail patrol]

something along the lines of "the company ate everything and everyone, you're playing as the rinds the monster's spitting out" I think?

the concept stayed with me

and read about a weird bloody mass of hair and flesh coming out of the vent in the new log kinda sparked that idea in my head again

[shadow lily]

How are we the rinds if we're actively feeding the entity?

[trail patrol]

it's kinda metal

[trail patrol]

cuz we get eaten and spit out again

[glad panther]

I think LethalFixes is what does that, vanilla leaves you with nothing

[shadow lily]

Didn't Richard get replaced with Lucas though

or are you just talking metaphorically

[dense yoke]

There’s also the fact Sigurd was hearing his fathers voice from the vents

[trail patrol]

yeah, lucas would be part of that too

[shadow lily]

I'm gonna start tweaking if it turns out we're all just skinwalkers

Glue

[dense yoke]

Realistically, his father couldn’t actually be the corpse in the vents. Which is maybe more unsettling if it wasn’t him

[trail patrol]

company monster eats everyone, spits "people" out to get it shit, continues to eat from what they bring, they get eaten and spat out over and over

explains some things like spawning out of a vent, rapid loss of memory, etc

it's not the most SOUND theory but it's kinda metal

[shadow lily]

So Sigurd was a victim of The Golden Planet you're essentially saying?

[trail patrol]

I mean I think so? it's been a while since I watched the video

[dense yoke]

Spawning out of a vent isnt really canon when the team appeared there on the shuttle. Although seeing it now, the players themselves also spawning at vents is really funny

[trail patrol]

forget if he implies that or not

[shadow lily]

How tf does that explain his father being on Titan though? Humanity would absolutely notice The Golden Planet's disappearance

[trail patrol]

well yeah but it's kinda fun to think about it that way

[trail patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-dog-jotchua-jotchua-dog-jotchua-perro-perro-nervioso-gif-10232026657947130312

i don't know bitch watch the video!!! im just the messenger

[shadow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-villain-marvel-talking-serious-gif-15958647

[shadow lily]

Among Us

[dense yoke]

I’m going to find you and rip your guts out

This is hate speech.

[shadow lily]

NotDozer

[manic girder]

https://tenor.com/view/sussy-baka-gif-23628158

[shadow lily]

GYATT DAMN

[dense yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-dog-brian-dog-cooked-wallahi-im-finished-cooked-dog-gif-1849480349705279416

Moving back on track, I was never a fan of that theory since theres a lot of jumps to conclusions and ideas that aren’t entirely supported. It kind of feels like most of the evidence is “theres no evidence against it so it’s technically a possibility”. Which is true, but no evidence against something is not equal to evidence for something.

[manic girder]

wowowowow WOW

say that again

you were what on track??

[dense yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-around-what-confused-gif-21065154

[trail patrol]

the rinds theory?

[dense yoke]

Yep

[nimble pond]

there is absolutely 0 indication in vanilla

1a3's lethalfixes makes it emit the same clicking sound that landmines emit when they get disabled

and i think SBT is the mod that lets you also toggle off the light when it's disabled

i know some mod lets you do that

[glad panther]

LethalFixes also makes the light stop glowing, though it still is lit

[lament aurora]

I don't really like it as a story thing, I feel like the "fear of working yourself to death" (from that one patreon post) doesn't really work as well in the story if the WacKy TwiSt is that you've already done that

[shadow lily]

OH THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING OF

[glad panther]

Ye

[trail patrol]

yea

I do like it as a concept tho and I set one of my modpacks in a far far future that's set in that theory's version of the game

[lament aurora]

I'm fine with it as a concept I just don't think it works with lethal company, if it turns out the theory is true I would be disapointed

[trail patrol]

i don't think it'll turn out that way personally

even though there's some stuff pointing to it being true zeekers' said he wanted the ending of the game to be optimistic

[lament aurora]

I don't either but theres a slim chance

[trail patrol]

so the plot twist might not be "you're a little flesh minion and you're already doomed and there's no civilization left"

even though that's a really cool concept

[shadow lily]

How come you can't check the shotgun's ammo in client-side mode?

[nimble pond]

all player animations are networked

so if it uses a custom animation, everybody's gonna need the mod or there will be problems

[shadow lily]

Didn't this mod do it just fine though

[manic girder]

that mod so cool really cool cool mod cool

[nimble pond]

i mean it literally replaces the player's animator controller, so when animations get synced over the server, there would be problems

i dont know if those problems cause gameplay altering effects but all clients are expected to have identical animators and controllers

also lcammocheck literally breaks the animator even for just the local player

at least it did last i checked

it causes your arms to like, invert and look really weird on ladders and stuff

[manic girder]

trying right now

it does not happen

at least alone

idk how it behaves with other living organisms

[shadow lily]

It didn't use to

One of the older updates broke it, and the author hasn't bothered to fix it since

[manic girder]

😔 ok

[nimble pond]

it doesnt always happen

i forget what you have to do to make it happen

i think it happens after you die and respawn(?)

but then your arms are just broken for the rest of the session

[manic girder]

Hmmm ok gonna try another day

Now its eepy time

[lean pendant]

the main issue is that checking the shells and ejecting the shells are handled in the same place, and ejecting shells definitely can't be a clientside thing (the clientside mode is pretty half-baked in general at the moment though, one of the main things I'd want to improve if I ever get around to a rewrite)

[shadow lily]

All we really care about is the checking part

Wait guh

So it literally can't be done, since checking and ejecting are handled the same, and ejecting is a server-side thing?

[lean pendant]

that's the way it's set up right now yeah. it's probably possible, but I'd need to separate them into different things (I'll put this on the list for if I get around to reworking clientside mode).

I haven't really designed SBT to work in public non-synced lobbies at all so if clientside mode works in any capacity I consider that a miracle lol

[shadow lily]

We've been using SBT since the beginning as a client-side mod lol

The amount of bullshit it fixes is just too good to look past

[lean pendant]

glad to know it's been working 🫡

[shadow lily]

rivgoober

[north iris]

this is unrelated to the conversation i just really badly wanted you to see this

[shadow lily]

Uhh what is that?

[north iris]

the sapsucker

[shadow lily]

Oh that's a fossilized sapsucker lmao

[shadow lily]

Speaking of custom content, CC is probably coming never

Too uninterested and treadmill work

[north iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383204525518618687/1404092824173019216/sq.webp

[lean pendant]

the "custom animation" is actually just dynamically changing the speed of an existing animation to look different (trying to add an animator override with a custom animation is what caused the animator to break in LCAmmoCheck, I had to revert to their older method without a custom animation to fix it). so clientside is probably possible if I handle it in the right way

[sturdy lion]

i wish there was a way to modify an animation's speed without modifying the entire animator's speed at runtime

[lament oasis]

could sbt add config options to change the spray paint (similar to the zap gun options)?
the only mod that made the spray paint useful does not work on v73 and has not been updated in over a year
(this is not something with high priority only consider this if it is relatively easy to implement)

[lean pendant]

nooo betterspraypaint is dead? I guess I'll have to port it eventually since I use that one religiously lol (havent switched over to v73 yet)

[lament oasis]

yeah sadly

i have gotten used to it by now

the vanilla spray paint does not paint as good and only has a limited capacity (which for how expensive spray paints are makes them basically useless)

and also that way too loud sound when shaking

[lament tree]

save the soul society

[nimble pond]

back when betterspraypaint was broken the first time (i think it was v56 or v60, i forget) i made a few tweaks to it in butteryfixes

it's all a bunch of auto-compat stuff that gets disabled when you have betterspraypaint enabled

[lament oasis]

are these tweaks still in butteryfixes now?

[nimble pond]

and i dont support any added features, just fixed some problems with vanilla that caused inconsistent spray patterns (and i think boosted the max decal count + reduced the distance between decals)

so if you're not using betterspraypaint but you are using butteryfixes, you won't go back to "totally vanilla" spray paint

better than nothing but im also a betterspraypaint user so it's pretty sad to see it unmaintained (at least presently)

[lament oasis]

its license would allow anyone to maintain it

[lament oasis]

that is good to know

i think reserved spray paint slot also has an option to increase the capacity

[shadow lily]

@lean pendant Does this go for all mods??

[lean pendant]

just SBT

[shadow lily]

Aghh

Thought it'd go for everything

Still useful tho, thank you

[lean pendant]

each mod handles its own config so that's up to the dev.

[north iris]

afaik only lunarconfig also lets you clear orphaned entries

i know of no other mod that does

[lean pendant]

matty has it for one of his mods iirc

[nimble pond]

i automatically clean up orphaned entries in my mods when i remove settings

i have probably missed one or two but for the most part i handle it

kinda wish that bepinex would automatically handle it (or, ideally, give you the option to make it automatically handle it in case you dont want that behavior)

but it's not a lot of code to implement it into your own mods

[glad panther]

Central Config does too

[blazing onyx]

amazingly, even though i only have like 10 settings, i built into my mod (LI) auto cleaning of config entries, i worried i would add and remove tonnes of settings in the future, wanted to keep it clean x.x I think in my moon ratings mod i added the same feature, but manual.. because a lot of settings can be generated there by the user, to which would be orphaned automatically on restart, but would want to be kept, so i think i did something to manually orphan them x.x either way, i thought a method to remove orphan configs was a great idea (in my cases at least)

[wintry pulsar]

Stack trace:
UnityEngine.Transform.SetParent (UnityEngine.Transform p) (at <c39a522eee05469b8171a6cfeb646c59>:IL_0001)
ScienceBirdTweaks.ZapGun.ZapPatches+<ScanGunPatch>d__28.MoveNext () (at ./ZapGun/ZapPatches.cs:333)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <c39a522eee05469b8171a6cfeb646c59>:IL_0026)
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
PatcherTool:ItemActivate(Boolean, Boolean)
GrabbableObject:UseItemOnClient(Boolean)
GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB:DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::ActivateItem_performed>(PlayerControllerB, CallbackContext)
UnityEngine.InputSystem.LowLevel.<>c__DisplayClass7_0:<set_onUpdate>b__0(NativeInputUpdateType, NativeInputEventBuffer*)
UnityEngineInternal.Input.NativeInputSystem:NotifyUpdate(NativeInputUpdateType, IntPtr)``` the zap gun wasn't working and throw this error everytime i tried to use it in a player, door, etc.

[lean pendant]

this is something with the vanilla code I thought I fixed last update but I guess I'll have to add some more checks (though I think the root cause is probably somewhere else, since SBT shouldn't do this on its own)

[wintry pulsar]

So I tested the zap gun on my friend, and it was working; then he tried to use it on me, and the zap gun stopped working. I thought it wasn't working only on players, so I tried to use it in traps and doors, and it still didn't work.

ScienceBirdTweaks.ZapGun.ZapPatches+<ScanGunPatch>d__28.MoveNext () (at ./ZapGun/ZapPatches.cs:333)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <c39a522eee05469b8171a6cfeb646c59>:IL_0026)
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
PatcherTool:ItemActivate(Boolean, Boolean)
GrabbableObject:ActivateItemClientRpc(Boolean, Boolean)
GrabbableObject:__rpc_handler_1761213193(NetworkBehaviour, FastBufferReader, __RpcParams)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers:Handle(NetworkContext&, RpcMetadata&, FastBufferReader&, __RpcParams&)
Unity.Netcode.ClientRpcMessage:Handle(NetworkContext&)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:__endSendClientRpc(FastBufferWriter&, UInt32, ClientRpcParams, RpcDelivery)
GrabbableObject:ActivateItemClientRpc(Boolean, Boolean)
GrabbableObject:ActivateItemServerRpc(Boolean, Boolean)
GrabbableObject:__rpc_handler_4280509730(NetworkBehaviour, FastBufferReader, __RpcParams)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers:Handle(NetworkContext&, RpcMetadata&, FastBufferReader&, __RpcParams&)
Unity.Netcode.ServerRpcMessage:Handle(NetworkContext&)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkMessageManager:ReceiveMessage(FastBufferReader, NetworkContext&, NetworkMessageManager)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkMessageManager:HandleMessage(NetworkMessageHeader&, FastBufferReader, UInt64, Single, Int32)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkMessageManager:ProcessIncomingMessageQueue()
Unity.Netcode.NetworkManager:NetworkUpdate(NetworkUpdateStage)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkUpdateLoop:RunNetworkUpdateStage(NetworkUpdateStage)
Unity.Netcode.<>c:<CreateLoopSystem>b__0_0()``` the first error was this

[lean pendant]

it looks like the error is happening before my mod does anything, so I can stop that error from appearing but no guarantees it will fix the zap gun issues

[wintry pulsar]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Ozone/Runtime_Netcode_Patcher/ this mod could affect the zapgun? the only mod that use this it's betteremotes

[lean pendant]

I've been wary of it for a while, but I had it in my own pack for a long time with no issues so it's probably fine

[wintry pulsar]

Could you send me your modpack code so I can see which mods I have and which ones you don't have?

[crimson thunder]

If you have Useful Zap Gun that might do it, I'm not sure if that mod still works on v73 or not

[wintry pulsar]

I don't have this mod. I tested the ZapGun in my mod pack with fewer mods, and it was working, so the problem lies with the mods that this mod pack doesn't have.

[crimson thunder]

Hmmm

[wintry pulsar]

ZapGun changes are overpower

[lean pendant]

lol this is one of my favourite vanilla bugs, I have a clip of my own that's almost identical to this one

[wintry pulsar]

I thought it was a problem with itolib, but after many tests, the problem reappeared, but now only for the client; it was working for me (the host).

[lean pendant]

it's a vanilla thing that happens under weird circumstances, so no need to worry about mods

[trail patrol]

what the hell LMAO

what exactly is happening there?

[nimble pond]

there's some weird bug with the zap gun where it increases the player's movement speed instead of decreasing it

normally when you're being zapped it multiplies your speed by a decimal to bring you to a crawl

and then when you stop getting zapped it divides by the same decimal to restore your speed

but somehow it's possible to divide without the multiplication happening first

which gives you turbo speed

[wintry pulsar]

Not this problem, but rather the one where you can't use the zap gun on anything.

[lean pendant]

oh that, yeah I'll get back to you if I learn anything else about it (I havent gotten around to testing big packs on v73 yet, so not sure what the source of the issue is)

inconsistent issues like that can be pretty annoying

[wintry pulsar]

[00:33:01.9713823] [Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.Transform.set_position (UnityEngine.Vector3 value) (at <c39a522eee05469b8171a6cfeb646c59>:IL_0000)
PatcherTool.LateUpdate () (at <83220f1fc337491eba19b3618ec61339>:IL_0130)``` If this helps you for the clients was logging this errors too

[trail patrol]

OH I REMEMBER THIS

[blazing onyx]

[edit.... dont bother reading, it was a non-issue after all :D]
sorry to bring this here... but, well Science Bird, you may have a better clue (than me) considering your mod is telling me how much scrap there should be here, after my mod set it.. when there was 0 scrap.

I attached part of a log.

according to my own mod, that sets the scrap level in my mod profile... there should be 11-20 items (i basically dynamically set the value + item count for the moon, just before the moon is loaded, im aware only the count matters =p)

[23:35:29.0523920] [Debug  :DynamicMoonRatings] [Moon]Atlas Abyss           -> (([Enemies]16830       + [Price]0       + [Cruiser]0)      - [Scrap]1000)      x [Weather]0.8       / [Time]1       = [Total]12664       = [DisplayedRating]E266
[23:35:29.0523920] [Debug  :DynamicMoonRatings] Moon: Atlas Abyss | Rating: 12664 -> Rating%: 63 | Day%: 6 | Quota%: 7
[23:35:29.0523920] [Debug  :DynamicMoonRatings] MoonModifier ((100%+(Rating%+Days%+Quota%))/100) -> 1.76
[23:35:29.0523920] [Debug  :DynamicMoonRatings] ScrapValue -> 395 - 703
[23:35:29.0523920] [Debug  :DynamicMoonRatings] ScrapCount -> 11 - 20

according to SBT... there should be 18 pieces of scrap.... but all we found were keys... which at least in my settings, are not scrap...

[23:35:29.1111086] [Info   :ScienceBirdTweaks] INTERIOR TILE SUMMARY (Tower, Atlas Abyss): 197 tiles | Total tile area: 332.1745 | Average tile area: 1.686165
[23:35:29.1111086] [Info   :ScienceBirdTweaks] INTERIOR SCRAP SUMMARY (Tower, Atlas Abyss): 18 scrap | Average scrap per tile: 0.09137056 | Scrap per unit area: 0.05418838

so my question is... is it even possible for the "scrap" to be all keys?..AND even when keys cant be scrap?

I am guessing both of our mods agreeing make it likely that there were just 18 keys... just never seen this before and trying to make sure its not a bug. (my mod doesnt choose what scrap, just the value/count)

[blazing onyx]

^ little update, shared this in buttery fixes thread and it seems it was caused by "Key" being added as a scrap option in the scrap weights for the moon (not by me afaik xD).. woo, at least that was a quick solution 😄 sorry for the wasted read!

[uncut cloud]

oh wow I didn't know other people have found this bug too

I have a clip of me and a group of friends doing the same thing hehe

[wind gale]

To follow up on this, this also happens when we make entirely new files. The purple cupboard always spawns at the same location as the red one despite it not being unlocked according to the store. This is unrelated to DawnLib's & LCBetterSaves weird interaction which makes items and unlockables of deleted files persist.

Additionally, I have also begun using furniture lock and I could not copy the position of this purple cupboard; FunitureLock complained that I tried to copy the position of furniture item that has not been spawned. Yet if I entered a coordinates and then applied them to 5Cupboard/the purple cupboard it would still move. When making new files it only would be positioned correctly when I have enabled its auto unlock in FurnitureLock, yet I could still not copy its coordinates.

Now, when I tried to move it in and out of storage I noticed that I could still buy a purple cabinet, which I then did. That new purple cabinet was entirely unaffected by FurnitureLock, but now I could copy the coordinates of the original one. Both worked flawless though aside from that weird interaction, but maybe its worth checking out what is happening here. Maybe it is also related to DawnLib's save management? Yet I had a bonus purple cabinet spawn back then as well. In my original message DawnLib was not yet included in the modpack

Current Modprofile Code: 019a1b7c-6579-e005-ae87-afa9c54d9b2b

-# Picture with two purple cupboards and the original red one:

[blazing onyx]

what mod is the purple cabinet from?

[wind gale]

MoreCupboards by ScienceBird

[blazing onyx]

ahhhhhhh =p explains why i dont see it xD

[wind gale]

Without DawnLib enabled I can at least not buy a second purple cabinet now as it seems from testing right now.

[wind gale]

Also, has an Astolfo Plushy been considered at any point for Polished Plusheis and Silly Scrap? A friend of mine would love it ^-^

[ancient flame]

[lean pendant]

ah, if this is the same issue as I've seen before with ClaySurgeonOverhaul, it might be an issue with HDRP settings being changed, but I don't see anything like that on their github so I'm not sure

@pulsar spear you don't do any shader/HDRP changes for BiggerShip right? this is an example of code I've seen cause this shader error before. changes to item scan stuff might also mess it up

[lean pendant]

I'll be following up on this hopefully soon, sorry for the delay. I imagine I'll be catching up on DawnLib incompatibilities in my mods for a while lol (also thanks for the love on Polished Plushies, I'm not pursuing any content additions to it at the moment but glad to see people using it)

[crimson thunder]

My other guess is maybe it's just a funny execution order thing happening

[lean pendant]

I mostly understand the issue now: BiggerShip isn't doing anything to HDRP stuff, but it seems like it's stopping SBT from fixing the issue caused by ClaySurgeonOverhaul (my patch fixing it is attached below). Since BiggerShip doesn't patch QuickMenuManager as far as I can tell, I assume it's something about the compatibility transpiler on SBT? (despite that patching a completely different class) @pulsar spear

[lean pendant]

so if you're looking for an alternative way to fix it without getting rid of BiggerShip, you can get rid of ClaySurgeonOverhaul instead if that's preferable lol

[crimson thunder]

Clay Surgeon Overhaul admittedly hasn't been updated in quite some time and the motion blur effect it adds causes weird behavior anyways

I really wish dopa would update it

[lean pendant]

yeah, I remember dopa has said she wants to remove it when she gets around to updating it

[ancient flame]

ill do a quick test to see if that fixes it

disabling claysurgeonoverhaul does indeed fix it

[lean pendant]

Seems like there are still some little issues (you can visit DawnLib thread for any of those), but the recent patches to FurnitureLock and DawnLib mostly fix this weird behaviour from what I can tell. Theoretically my cupboards shouldn't be anything special, so I think this is mostly a DawnLib/FurnitureLock thing.

Let me know if you're still having problems though.

[ionic falcon]

would it be possible to get a VehicleID == 0 check on the smoke particle fix in SBT? to prevent trying to change smoke particles on any modded vehicles that inherit VehicleController

0 is always the ID of the vanilla Company Cruiser

also, you can just access the exhaust particle via VehicleController.carExhaustParticle

[lean pendant]

yeah I can do that, is it actually causing problems? I would think it should only replace the exhaust if it finds one with the goofy shader. the reason why it's written like that is because I use similar code to change the particles on a bunch of other things (jetpack, old bird), so it was just easiest to grab all the particles and check them, mostly re-using the same code for each case.

[ionic falcon]

it would just end up replacing any exhaust particles on modded vehicles inheriting vehiclecontroller

which is annoying if someone has their own exhaust particles

i.e. if someone made a small hatchback and SBT ends up replacing the exhaust particle with its own black smoke particle

then it just bellows black smoke out the back

doesn't hurt to have the check in place :p

and it's just a little cleaner to access the carExhaustParticle directly from VehicleController

[lean pendant]

it should only replace specifically the weird exhaust particles the cruiser uses (thus the material name checks), and it's specifically that material that doesn't display correctly with fog. so if somebody else is using the particle it probably won't be displaying correctly which is what my fix is for.

I don't mind adding the check, but it seems like if a mod does use that particle I might actually want to replace it with my own (if the smoke fix config is enabled of course).

[ionic falcon]

i would add it regardless

[lean pendant]

this is true though, that's just lazy writing on my part lol. I'd like to generalize my smoke particle stuff and make it cleaner if possible

[ionic falcon]

better safe than sorry

[ionic falcon]

the name checks aren't really sufficient imo

vehicleID check ensures you're only targetting the vanilla CC

if someone replaces the vanilla CC model well, that's on them

[lean pendant]

that's fair, tbh I might just add more conditions to ensure it's those weird particles specifically, seems like a better solution than excluding modded content. the smoke fix is supposed to fix the broken smoke in general (on various different entities), so idk if I strictly need to target only the vanilla cruiser.

if there's actually a vehicle that does cause some issues I'll put in a quick vanilla check, but otherwise I'll probably think about a better long-term solution to make it more rigorous.

[ionic falcon]

yes but if you don't exclude modded content, it'll just end up replacing anyones custom exhaust particle, no?

and it'll end up "ruining the intended look"

if someone uses the vanilla particle then sure i guess it's okay

like if someone plays around with the particle (colour, size, speed etc)

and SBT replaces that

it won't look right

since SBT as far as i can tell is just replacing the entire particle

[lean pendant]

if they happen to make a custom exhaust particle with a specific name that isn't the broken particle I'm attempting to replace, yeah, but I'd be surprised if there's a mod like that since there arent that many vehicle mods. and if it is that broken particle (even if some qualities are modified), it still wont display correctly on fog.

I feel like adding the vanilla check right now would be more likely to cause the fix to not work with modded vehicles that happen to use the same exhaust as vanilla than unintentionally alter a working particle effect of the same name (i.e. I think adding the check would probably break more stuff than it fixes, if it breaks or fixes anything). if there is an actual instance of that happening I'd add a check, but just weighing the odds in abstract it seems safer to go without it

[ionic falcon]

i guess there's alot of nuance to it, i still feel like just checking for the vanilla cruiser is still the best way to handle it, but, ultimately it's up to you

[lean pendant]

since my fix is more about the particles than the cruiser, and those edge cases seem so rare, that's why it makes sense to me. I agree I don't like how that code is structured at all though, was a bit of an improvised mess trying to catch all the different smoke sources, definitely on the list to improve some day

[ionic falcon]

yeah i get'cha, i just feel like it'll prevent headaches if someone's custom exhaust particle starts getting replaced with something they didn't intend for

[lean pendant]

I'm willing to bet it's less likely to cause headaches than removing support for modded vehicles would, but hopefully I can rewrite it before anybody has to run into any issues

[ionic falcon]

i was just asking about all this since i was playing around with the exhaust particle on my truck haha, and i plan to also redo the Company Haulers exhaust particle, and i remembered SBT has a particle fix that tries to apply to anything using VehicleController

(this won't be an issue for DawnLib vehicles)

[lean pendant]

as long as you arent using the same cursed particles as zeekers, it should be totally fine, if it isn't just let me know and I'll do something about it 🫡

[ionic falcon]

it's pretty much the same particle as the vanilla CC, i'm just playing around with the size, color etc n whatnot. what was the 'fix' you found for the vanilla particle if i must ask?

idm fixing the particles on both these vehicles, i just don't know what exactly you changed

[lean pendant]

I just remade the particle from scratch to look similar, the problem is with the shader the material uses iirc, so just copy-pasting the particle and changing values usually wont fix anything. if you don't mind the weird rendering behaviour of the particle and still want to use it, you might be able to make a copy and rename it so my check wont replace it (though I think it was some messy internal unity thing), otherwise, I can make an exception for it on my end if that's what you intend.

I'd recommend making a fixed version of the particle though (I can probably find mine and send it if you need), since seeing it so clearly through fog from any distance is really jarring visually

[ionic falcon]

ic

[ionic falcon]

handing yours over would probably be pretty helpful

[lean pendant]

you might have to manually assign that texture to the material, but hopefully this works

[ionic falcon]

cheers!

i'm just experimenting with a new smoke particle, i'll see what it looks like ingame

[lean pendant]

still no idea why BiggerShip was changing my patch priority, but managed to fix this on my end lol (harmony my beloved)

[crimson thunder]

I think cus he added a compatibility patch for your mod to allow the Occupancy Sign to work

[ionic falcon]

it looks so jarring based on what angle you look at it from haha

although i think that's just unity being weird

[lean pendant]

this is what it's supposed to look like (right side) when just replacing the vanilla material, but depending how you're using it, it might take some playing around

[ionic falcon]

i mean like, based on light/angle, it just goes pitch black

maybe it's an editor thing

i still need to get this ingame

mine has a slight hint of blue (oil burner)

[lean pendant]

here's what texture import settings should look like btw

(and material for reference just in case it didn't import properly)

[ionic falcon]

i am using a different texture but yeah my settings are p the same

[ionic falcon]

my material is a little different but it is still HDRP/Lit

i think it is just a unity thing

since it looked funny even with yours

[lean pendant]

yeah, many such unity things lol, well good luck with it regardless

[ionic falcon]

smokey

i guess it's fine

appreciate it anyways!

[fallow hornet]

hell nah whos rolling coal on the cruiser

[ionic falcon]

cummins diesel :)

[fallow hornet]

that fuckin engine i hate

[ionic falcon]

(it did not look that smokey in editor lol)

[fallow hornet]

the cummins engines are the primary reason a lot of siemens charger locos are having problems

[ionic falcon]

*with a blown headgasket

[fallow hornet]

since the specific model they use (QSK95) was not used on rail applications before the chargers

they are very temperamental

[ionic falcon]

i wonder why the cruiser blows black smoke

it's said to be a gasoline

clogged air filter much

[fallow hornet]

its probably running too rich

[ancient flame]

thank you for fixing this!!

[wintry pulsar]

Scannable tools+ Scanned item highlights breaks Mapper from Restore Mapper

[crimson thunder]

I would just use the GI Scanning Tool function anyways

[wintry pulsar]

It doesn't work with mapper

[shadow lily]

Are you interested in adding a kill switch for LLL simulation?

It fucks up routes when typing in stuff like Gordion or Liquidation, leading to the simulation screen without having typed it in

The command shouldn't be running if I'm not simulating to begin with

[ionic falcon]

i love routing to liquidation and trying to land immediately softlocking my game

[shadow lily]

It's a problem for moons that have been renamed to Liquidation by Lunar Config

[upper tundra]

I wouldn't rename a moon to liquidation, because the game recognizes liquidation as a moon that exists in the game and will generate conflicts

[shadow lily]

It wouldn't matter though since LLL can remove moons from the terminal to begin with, no?

[upper tundra]

not exactly, liquidation itself doesn't show in the terminal. Also renaming moons could lead to other problems with scene loading (since the names are tied to the scene/scene loading iirc)

[shadow lily]

I see. The simulation issue still annoying regardless though

I've had it happen in other instances outside of these two moons

[upper tundra]

it would only happen on moons that have another route word (Gordion - The company for example)

If you can route to that moon by that word, it won't show the simulate prompt

[glad panther]

@shadow lily @upper tundra If neither of you know, Lunar Config only changes the name in the display when you land, not any of the internal names or terminal nodes

So if you can hand-wave the fact your “Liquidation” is not actually called that, it should not have issues

[upper tundra]

good to know yeah

[shadow lily]

YellowLizSadness

Anyways, we're not sure if we've reported this before; but are you interested in fixing this animation error where baboon hawks permanently pog after making a call?

[oak veldt]

Hello!
It seems that the RotateFloodlightUponLanding config is no longer working, it never rotates until it's 8:00 am

[shadow lily]

Bringing this up here

So QualityCompanyFork has no option for. disabling what it does to the two screens above, leading to General Improvement's not being able to do its edits of the upper monitors itself

Do u mind adding an option for uhh

bricking that feature of QualityCompanyFork

:p

[tribal spear]

It's been a bit so might be wrong but I think it always did that, the .shipHasLanded flag is a little later than when it physically lands as the ship is still 'settling' before that which caused the light to not rotate in the correct position if rotation started any earlier.

[lean pendant]

yes the ship only actually "lands" a little bit after it touches the ground (we wait until landing to start rotation since we save the position and rotation states, and the ship's position is often desynced across clients, so it needs time to make sure it's set)

I feel like it might've been a little earlier than 8am? but I doubt it's gotten later unless zeekers changed anything about ship landing, so probably always been that way

[lean pendant]

I looked into this when I was collecting misc. fixes a few months ago, I couldn't recreate the issue consistently and it was hard to distinguish from their regular aggressive animations (which generally involve keeping their mouth open for a bit). even if I could identify the issue, animators are such a mess I'm not sure I'd be able to fix it, but I'll keep it in mind.

[shadow lily]

Ok !

[lean pendant]

it's a bit more involved than what I typically do (qualitycompany is a bit of a walking corpse at this point sadly), and feels like the sort of thing I wouldnt want to add a config for. I have done quick fixes for mods in the past, but altering features and adding options for them is probably a bit much for something so specific and deprecated. I can at least look into it next time I'm working on things to see if it's trivial, no promises atm tho

[shadow lily]

Aightt

[fallow hornet]

what features do you still use from quality company

honestly surprised its still working

[shadow lily]

The hud is rlly good for quickly looking at and keeping track of the loot in ur inventory

[shadow lily]

Well it's a forked version so

The original is prob shot dead in the bronx

[fallow hornet]

the fork was not made for this version

[shadow lily]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/amonraa/QualityCompanyFork

[fallow hornet]

i thought it would be screwed cus of the networking

[shadow lily]

U can disable the networking tho

[fallow hornet]

LethalHUD has this feature now

for value and total

[shadow lily]

Like, 1:1?

Including shotgun and colors?

[fallow hornet]

not shotgun

but item value and total

[shadow lily]

Colors?

[fallow hornet]

pretty much the same

[shadow lily]

Noted,,,

Ughhh it doesn't like

tell u the vanilla hex codes colors

QualityCompany it is

[trail patrol]

most of them are the same as vanilla

but s1ck got busy and never updated some of the new color configs to have the vanilla as default

x_x

[restive abyss]

Why would you use this mod when LethalHUD exists

I stepped out fron the mod day 1 when lethalhud released

[glad panther]

I mean they said why

Without saying too much, Samatha is very particular about this sort of thing

[wintry pulsar]

"Gimme that mask" works with maskfixes "tragedy chance"?

[trail patrol]

iirc it does, yes

[bitter pike]

Minor issue with rotating lights

[tribal spear]

Did you recently have a blackout weather day? I think it gets stuck sometimes. If not is the config default for the floodlights?

[bitter pike]

We mightve had blackout

[lean pendant]

I thought I fixed that issue many months ago

lemme know if there's any consistent way to recreate

[crimson thunder]

I think it's a funny incompat with the new WR update, also I found out either the Rotating Floodlight or Universal Radar were lagging me as host while on the ship in Multiplayer, I turned off the floodlight rotating and pulled UR for now and it went away, been trying to diagnose it for a few weeks now

[wanton basin]

I'd like to add that it's a client side issue (I played with Jacu and didnt encounter one)

[heavy onyx]

hi where do i find the scrap density reports

[crimson thunder]

Huh?

[lean pendant]

it's this config in Technical, it should just be in the logs after you land onto a moon and generate the interior

[heavy onyx]

ah well i couldnt find it but ill check again

ive tried lookin lemme look again one sec

yea nuthin

oh well i dont need it that much

itd just make me go super perfectionist anyways

its for the better

[lean pendant]

I havent tested it in a while so it's possible I broke it with the new LLL stuff, will take a look when I have the chance

[heavy onyx]

thank u :)

i appreciate ur work

[crimson thunder]

Btw @lean pendant I humbly request the options to be able to disable and internal and external ship cams, currently only Lethal Pipe Removal can do it and disabling those cams provides a decent performance improvement especially when you have furniture and scrap on the ship cus the internal camera renders everything a 2nd time pretty much and for some reason the overhead is a lot more rough on some moons than others. Also I think I know the reason for the Rotating Floodlight lag, on some moons such as Wesley's Repress the Floodlight never begins rotating and I wonder if the lag is due to it failing potentially 🤔 I'm not too sure

I have doubts Universal Radar would have been causing the lag though, more likely whatever caused the Floodlight to not rotate + the Internal Ship cam rendering stuff

[lament tree]

that would be pretty badass, i liked it gone but i had to sacrifice pipe removal in the end

[wintry pulsar]

I already know what breaks the ZapGun, its any mod that makes you possible to scan tools+Scanned item highlights

it breaks the mapper too

[shadow lily]

Small critique, but the fading sun feature in Tweaks should fade to transparency, not black

I saw a vantablack sun over that one hill leading to fire exit on Rend lmao

[lean pendant]

100% agree, it's just that the sun materials used for LC aren't set up with transparency, and enabling it makes the sun look different. the sun should disappear shortly after turning black, but yeah there's definitely a window where it looks weird. I might add a config option for enabling sun transparency or something so at least there's the option

[lean pendant]

sorry for taking a bit to get back to you, just wanted to check what part of the game this log covers. I don't see any of the usual LLL logs for generating an interior or landing on a moon here, but when I did that the interior analysis logs appeared as usual.

[heavy onyx]

weird, its okay, i dont need it much anymore,

its for the better lol

[lean pendant]

gotcha, well since it works for me I'll assume it's not a major issue if it is one at all . just in case I wasn't clear, you need to land on a planet and start the day for the interior logs to show up

[heavy onyx]

nah its prolly my fault

[heavy onyx]

no i did

which is why i was confused

maybe i have something that cuts my logs out

[lean pendant]

Recompiling seemed to fix the floodlight issue for me (really weird), so let me know if that or the lag still persists with the update I just pushed
(also added those removal options 👍)

[lean pendant]

thanks for all the details, should be fixed now 🫡

[crimson thunder]

Yippee yeah I dunno why it would rotate sometimes but not always lol but hopefully it does fix it

[shadow lily]

Completely up to you, but are you interested in adding a client-side (As in only the host'll need it) option for making the barber's probability curve go upwards rather than downwards?

Since they are so absurdly rare in vanilla

Apparently they spawn on Rend now (Not sure if they always have), so it'd be nice to have a mix of them thrown in there while grinding the place, since it's mostly just nutcrackers and coil-heads there, just to make vanilla Rend a lil' less.. boring.

[shadow lily]

Wdym makin' the sun look different? How?

[glad panther]

You can use Lunar Config to change Barber’s spawn curve

[shadow lily]

client-side (As in only the host'll need it)

[shadow lily]

Since they are so absurdly rare in vanilla

[shadow lily]

Science Bird you are the GOAT

THIS HELPS SO MUCH

[sturdy lion]

Out of curiousity, how do you choose the colour @lean pendant

I have a script that changes the colour of the scan node to anything I want so I'm curious if it samples the colour from the scannode rect's image

Or if it's hardcoded with zeekerss' node types

[lean pendant]

in vanilla, the only items with scan nodes are green (maybe like 1 exception), I added a case for tools being blue since the mod adding blue scan nodes to tools is fairly common. so yeah all hardcoded, probably wouldnt be that hard to determine it based on scan ui, but since I was just covering for one mod edge case I didn't bother.

[glass lodge]

I love how the clipboard is just wrong lol

[lean pendant]

clipboard actually doesnt get any scan highlight since it's a skinned mesh renderer iirc

[glass lodge]

I meant the info on it

about scans

it talks about yellow scans

meaning like caution if I remember right

[lean pendant]

lol yeah there's a lot of leftover stuff from scrapped mechanics in zeekers' lore

[glass lodge]

(tbh making traps scan yellow would be a cool feature)

but idk how hard that would be

lol\

[shadow lily]

What about old birds and coil-heads too?

Shrug

They're certainly not biological material

Well maybe coil-heads are...

So just old birds lol

[glass lodge]

ig, tho my idea was less about biological and non biolgical

[manic girder]

yeah that would be coolnits

i asked mr sickboy to add it as a feature in lethalhud but he said its finnicky

uhm, rewrite and all that stuffs

tho my idea is a bit different from yours

[glass lodge]

so what you are saying is you timetraveled to steal my idea

for shame

[glad panther]

Enemy spawning is solely managed by the host so I would assume it is already like that

It’s like the only thing host has full control over

[lean pendant]

theoretically, just lighter with softer edges (as pictured top right), which I'd be ok with as a separate config since some people may be ok with/prefer that look, but it doesn't display correctly at all in-game so I havent pursued it any further for now. if I get around to making it work I'll probably add a config for sun transparency (pretty sure I figured out how to do it properly when I was working on custom sun textures for Wither, but it's higher effort than just changing a few properties).

[lean pendant]

I never rule out a suggestion entirely, but I do want to avoid making SBT into a quantity tweaking/configing mod (since many of those already exist and it only makes config more annoying to maintain and organize). I only added the interior scrap quantity stuff because no other mod seemed to do it in the way I wanted

[upper tundra]

How about instead of transparency, you do the same thing as before (fading to black) but once it's entirely black you deactivate the renderer? Like, making it invisible

So you don't see the black circle and you don't need to use transparency (which can lead to other problems in certain moons, even more so the ones whose unity projects are not yet updated)

[lean pendant]

that's what I already do, it's just there's always gonna be some time where it's close to black before it disappears

[upper tundra]

Aah I thought you only changed it to black, my bad

[glass lodge]

got a lil request, a feature that allows you to place furniture while having less concern about collision, used to have a mod for this but it was taken down bc it was client sided and used to ruin other's game

[lean pendant]

I already do this for the teleporters specifically, so I'd definitely give that some thought if I can think of an elegant system for it

[blissful crescent]

I guess ill also report my issue here

but the mask-taking feature doesn't work with mirage installed

idk if its a mirage issue but just letting you know ig

[lean pendant]

it definitely worked before, might be an issue with all the new updates. thanks for the report

[shadow lily]

@lean pendant Thought you would find this funny

The bug got worse 😭

[trail patrol]

what the fuck

who took all their hair....

[upper tundra]

bald

[lean pendant]

ah, forgot an important follow-up question to this lol. do you have the config enabled in mirage for masked enemies to have masks? if not, there will be nothing for you to grab

[blissful crescent]

i believe i did.

[plain quarry]

If you eject the shells from a shotgun with Wesley's Moons installed, it gives you spooky ammo no matter what kind of ammo it was loaded with!

[north iris]

honestly this isnt really an issue cause you can still load the spooky ammo into the regular shotgun

also if youre curious, he made the creaker, his old nutcracker skin, its own independant entity

and thats why the spooky ammo now exists (cause it drops it)

it spawns during hallowed weather

[lean pendant]

just tested and everything seems to work for me. let me know if you can recreate (and with what mods installed) and if all your config is set correctly

[blissful crescent]

nvm I went to go test it again and this time it worked for some reason

[crimson thunder]

@lean pendant Hey out of Curiousity, I was thinking of removing Chameleon from my pack since it's not actively updated anymore and doesn't support Wesley's versions of Manor and Mineshaft, do you think the planet preview option could be a fitting option to include in SBT but just be defaulted to false? 🤔

[crimson thunder]

NVM I say this then Buttery Updates it 😂

[uncut cloud]

SBT is going to become a singularity of random bits and pieces of different mods

[north iris]

ill just say this isnt really a good reason to uninstall chameleon

because it still does nice things outside of whats mentioned

[crimson thunder]

I was gonna remove it cus it was starting to feel like bloat, I have similar feelings about most of ButteRyBalance as well tbh

[north iris]

butterybalance is even less bloat

its not like there isnt other rebalance mods

but butterybalance is very, very nice

[nocturne ether]

Butter

[north iris]

for a ton of reasons

[crimson thunder]

True but I just don't care about the vanilla moon rebalances and stuff all that much

[north iris]

then disable them??

[crimson thunder]

I like the restored snowmen and stuff though

[north iris]

even if butterybalance only had butlers dying to one shotgun blast and nothing more

id still use it

[crimson thunder]

Fair

[glad panther]

I guess it reflects the two different sides of modpack creation. You got the scale and spectacle, where you throw a ton of mods together and have fun without worrying about the finer details, and then you got detail and depth, where you carefully choose and configure every mod to provide a dense and curated experience. I would a say a lot of Buttery’s mods appeal more to the latter

Buttery’s mods not being compatible with modded moons is my biggest gripe with them though, it keeps them from reaching their full potential. I have a few things disabled in Chameleon and have skipped Revisit Stingers because of this, they are too jarring

[north iris]

revisitstingers also doesnt work for content configuration in general

because the interior labelled as rare isnt based off spawn weight

by revisitstingers code

[glad panther]

Chameleon and BYB have that issue too

[north iris]

where does chameleon??

[glad panther]

It is just how she makes her mods, they usually do not have explicit compatibility in mind

[glad panther]

Fancy manor doors

[north iris]

thats not technically her fault

it is possible for moon devs to integrate compatibility for that

its just no one has

and i dont think she has to be responsible to type out every moon being compatible for it

[glad panther]

I doubt it would have to be done that way

[north iris]

its because the door changes the loaded level

she cant have it effect modded moons due to this

because it can break the scene

but moon devs are able to make it work for their moon

if they so choose

[glad panther]

There also is Giant Skins not having any compatibility with skin mods

Basically gotta pick one or the other for how to give Giants skins

[north iris]

i mean
if youre using ESK/ESR
theres very little reason to want to have chameleons snowy giants

either because
the giants model is changed to something else entirely
or more likely
youre using colorfulenemyvariety, which already has a white giant skin option

even if you use extraenemyvariety instead, birch giant works for snowy moons

[glad panther]

• Charred skin effect from Chameleon cannot be replicated with ESK/ESR
• I would assume Chameleon has compatibility with ArtificeBlizzard’s random snow setting, so Giants are appropriately snowy or not snowy

[north iris]

artificeblizzard is the main reason to not want this issue yes

but thats also only if you have the chance its snowy either not 0% or not 100%

im not saying youre wrong

this just isnt a very big issue imo

also i just realized its dumb for the chance to be 0% so ignore that

[glad panther]

The more I work on my modpack the more I appreciate stuff like this

[north iris]

i agree it would be cool if it didnt break things

[glad panther]

Having more functional RevisitStingers and having both Charred Giants and ESK/ESR would be peak

[north iris]

actually im not even sure what breaks exactly

is it only the charred giants...?

[glad panther]

I actually never bothered to test, maybe it actually does work by pure coincidence

Real issue would be what skins would take priority on snowy moons, I assume Chameleon

[wind gale]

@lean pendant I meant to ask since a while but is there any chance you might add features from SpikeTrapFixes by SpookyBuddy into your hazard rework? The mod is sadly not compatible with your reworks and I miss some of its features ^-^

[nimble pond]

i am almost certain chameleon would make giants reset to default skin when burning

assuming esr just replaces the material/texture on the renderer

[nimble pond]

i am sorry about this but i think it is just a fact of the way i work

even making the chameleon update yesterday was kind of difficult for me because i dont understand the modded content "ecosystem" the way everybody else playing with mods does. what compatibility i did add is pretty surface level and while i did test it, i just felt way less confident that i would be shipping something cohesive

i have hundreds of hours of experience with vanilla and it is just so much easier for me to target making comprehensive packages for vanilla than work with mod stuff im unfamiliar with. and i dont really expect that to change because modded content has just never taken off for me

i dont want to make a huge wall of text since this isnt my thread but that is kind of how i feel, i guess. i do take requests for compatibility seriously, but it is difficult for me to get motivated and hyped up for releasing stuff in the same way since there isnt the same degree of "personal benefit" as publishing stuff i want to use when i play with my friends

[wintry pulsar]

For me its good to have since the moons I have been mostly playing with my friends are vanilla moons

[spiral flame]

"Dilapidated Manor" Now supports FancyEntranceDoors
I was thinking about compat possibility here. At the moment, you hardcode interiors in but what if you made a list config so people could enter interiors in that would trigger the change? Like, technically CabIn uses the fancy doors but I'm not necessarily going to ask that you do an update for one interior, nor would I expect you to keep track of every new interior that may use the door. But if there is a list people can just put the name in themselves. It lets users decide "oh, X interior should have the fancy doors but it's not accounted for by default. I'll add it to the whitelist" which is kind of mod compat, but the nice kind that you don't really have to deal with from your end. Just a thought, but up to you.

[nimble pond]

i tend to prefer auto compatibility since i dont love giant unruly configs but if people would be satisfied by this solution (and dont mind the hassle) i am open to adding one

it wouldnt be very difficult

[manic girder]

yes pleaseeee

we talked about this months ago

i would love to see that

[glad panther]

Don’t take it too harshly, your mods are still among the best. Yeah they’re not perfect but nothing is.

[glad panther]

The only time I have ever seen a mod be criticized for having too many configs is SBT, because we are lowkey adding a ton of bloat to it. On the other hand, I can think of multiple mods by many different people that were crippled by a lack of configs. I think more customization is nearly always good

[glad panther]

What features? I use this and SBT together and they seem to work fine

[wind gale]

I thought about an opt-in like system that maybe the interior makers could just add a simple check or something but I am unsure how effective that'd be

[wind gale]

Last I used it together the spiketrap would not reactivate after being zapped and its deactivation light and such would not work either, if I remember correctly

I also just think these features make sense for a mod that already reworks hazards this much

[glad panther]

I will have to test tonight

I usually am a fan of consolidation, but enveloping a mod with multiple features seems a bit much. I would rather Science Bird work on things not done by other mods

[wind gale]

Has also been a while, but given SpikeTrap has had no updates and SBT did not have any updates regarding that to my knowledge since I assume it still persists

[wind gale]

Can understand; If it weren't for the incompatibility I would not have suggested it either

[trail patrol]

it's totally understandable, I think the fact you made compat in the first place is awesome but I never really expected it because it's not content you tenf to use

[rich cove]

@lean pendant Can you look into potentially fixing this in the next update?

I don't mean to bug you with the ping, but the maneater charge windup bug is super annoying

[lean pendant]

any more specific info? I've seen the maneater being janky a lot in my testing but not sure exactly what part of it you mean.

[rich cove]

All I know is it's related to the maneater charging at multiple players

It seems to happen often when the maneater switches targets

Regardless of client or host connection

In the clip it charges normally the first time, then normally the second time when it switches targets, then for the final target switch it skips the windup

[lean pendant]

it only charged twice in that clip right? the third time it's just continuing its walk cycle, I think it only charges to close in on players under certain conditions

[rich cove]

It charged 3 times

First time at me

Second time at purple

Third time at me, with the cancelled windup

[lean pendant]

I'll have a look at the code (it's a mess if I recall correctly), I'm curious what it's intended routine is supposed to be

[lean pendant]

took a look at the AI routine and animator and seems like everything is working as normal, here's a breakdown of how it works:

• when the maneater targets a player, it will attempt to leap at them (after some cooldown)
• the leap has two parts, a wind-up, and a "leap" which is more like it sprinting along the ground
• after the leap is finished, it has another cooldown, then it enters "chase after leap", this is when it runs after you without screaming
• this chase will continue until it either gets close enough to you, or you get far enough away from it and break line of sight
• when it's close enough, it goes back to its regular routine of leaping at you
  this "chase" part is what can be confusing, since it looks similar to the "leap", but functions very differently. During this chase (and the cooldown between leaps), it's more flexible about its actions, which is what allows it to switch targets and such.

following through the video, we can see both leaps follow the same progression:

• 0:02 windup into leap -> 0:04 cooldown -> 0:05 enters chase -> 0:06 exits chase (since it got close enough to another player)
• 0:06 windup into leap (it changes targets since another player got closer to it during windup) -> 0:09 cooldown -> 0:10 enter chase (here it changes target again, maybe because they walked into the elevator), I assume it probably exited the chase and lept again shortly after the video cuts off since it got quite close
  The second chase lasted much longer than the first because it had much more distance to cover. Another factor is its turning around: you might've seen it do this weird animation at the late 0:10 mark where it gets really tall, that's its idle animation for when it's not moving (this is pretty uncommon since when it's stationary it's usually doing some other animation). It needs to turn around to see its new target, and while it does it isn't moving, so it enters its idle animation, then immediately exits its idle animation and continues the chase. I can see that being mistaken for a windup but that's why it happens.

in looking at the animator I did see there technically exists a situation in which the leap windup could transition into the idle animation, but I'm unsure how it could even be triggered and it doesn't appear to be what's happening in the video

tl;dr: after it finishes leaping, it will chase you down until it gets close enough to leap again, it chased for a long time after the second leap since nobody was nearby

[north iris]

it retargetted to me

thats what happened

@rich cove

[rich cove]

My face when the clip I uploaded hours ago cuts off before the actual part I wanted to show you and I only noticed just now

My bad

@north iris @lean pendant

But yeah, in this clip the third charge has no wind-up before the leap after the first 2 charges, it just gets close and immediately leaps

[lean pendant]

ah, that makes more sense. it's hard to tell if it's actually leaping there or if it's just screaming. it's technically not possible for it to transition from walking directly into a leap, but maybe if it just transitioned immediately after entering the windup. my best guess is that the scream got in the way of its windup or something (the maneater is programmed to kill the player on contact if it's in its attacking mode, which includes chasing you), so it might have just kept chasing until you died.

I'll play around in-game to see

[rich cove]

This is something I've encountered quite a few times

To the point where I can safely say that it's unintended behavior

[lean pendant]

I assuming it's something to do with it being in the chase longer than usual, which is why it would happen when other players distract it

[rich cove]

I have a hunch it's because of player targetting or something

Like, something about the maneater retargetting onto a different player is screwing up how the attack is supposed to function

But that's just a guess

[nimble pond]

oh i see

i was a bit confused too

lol

[rich cove]

@lean pendant Any luck or interesting findings about the maneater charge bug?

[lean pendant]

yep, I think I've narrowed down the issue and have a potential fix. I'm still working on a handful of other fixes and additions as well, but it'll be included in the next update and you can let me know if it works

[glass lodge]

ok seems like one of the mod's options is causing issues with the cruiser

when you get one a red cube spawns near the ship

and if you have any mods that add stuff onto the cruiser like a spedomiter they wont be added to it

ok narrowed it down

specific conflict with

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/4902/Cruiser_Additions/

when spawning a cruiser "[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
kirby.cruiser_additions.pre3 (VehicleController __instance) (at <84c837fb08774a06aacaf4a735c20594>:IL_087B)
(wrapper dynamic-method) VehicleController.DMDVehicleController::Start(VehicleController)"

[crimson thunder]

Which option though?

[glass lodge]

no clue

doing some tests rn

[crimson thunder]

It's prolly smth that is defaulted off

I've never had issues

[glass lodge]

me neither till today

[glass lodge]

but do you have the lever or speedometer on

in additions

[crimson thunder]

No

[glass lodge]

well those 2 are where the error pops up with sciencebird

only recently tho not in the past

ok yeah confirmed default settings SBT is fine with it

time to see what causes the issue

wont take long as I dont change much in SBT

[glass lodge]

narrowed it down, disabling the interior cam breaks it

[crimson thunder]

I will keep the Interior cam disabled

I prefer the performance boost

lmao

[glass lodge]

I mean you dont use the features it breaks so

why would you care lol

[crimson thunder]

Dunno why Cruiser Additions is even hooking into that tbh

kinda sus

I've been debating on removing Cruiser Additions tbh, it's bloat outside of the feature to move the scrap into the ship automatically

and it's not actively maintained atm I don't think

[glass lodge]

it may have something to do with ship patches or something, since it adds a level to the cruiser for the magnet

[crimson thunder]

Idk if the dev is still around tbh

Ye

It's prolly worth trying to see if the dev is around to fix it

[glass lodge]

dev is semi active last I checked

[crimson thunder]

👍

[glass lodge]

tho lowkey hope sciencebird can find a workaround lol

just in case

but ill message the dev

regardless

[crimson thunder]

I don't think this is his issue, he just turns off it rendering I'm pretty sure

[glass lodge]

doesnt it also get rid of the model on the ship, havent thought to check tho

[glass lodge]

funny enough I dont use the scrap transfer

[lean pendant]

ye it gets rid of the model. I'm assuming something in cruiser additions is confusing it but not sure what. will look into that for next update

[glass lodge]

ok lil update, it happens specifically only with the speedometer it adds

its a lil screen on the cruiser so maybe something related idk lol

[crimson thunder]

I bet it's reusing the same code somehow lol

[glass lodge]

makes sence, im happy its just that as thats an easy disable as I mostly cared about the lever

that thing is really useful

speedometer was just a nice visual

actually that reminds me

wonder how broken cruiser map is

used to love that mod

tho I imagine it broke after the map overhaul

[lean pendant]

A mini-update (4.5.0) for ScienceBird Tweaks is out now, catching up on a few fixes and some quick additions I've been meaning to get to.

• Fixed Zap Gun Rework incompatibility with SpikeTrapFixes by avoiding the light object it disables

• Fixed the interior cam ship removal incompatibility with Cruiser Additions by no longer removing the cam model (only the camera feed)

• Fixed non-vanilla shotgun ammo being ejected from the shotgun (e.g. Wesley spooky ammo), though note that ejecting ammo will always spawn vanilla ammo regardless of what you put into it

• Improved the Stretched Hand Icon Fix to work with interior interact triggers

• Adjusted the floodlight material a bit

• Added a tweak to fix the monitor's transition when taking off into orbit (no more random video feed and ship icon lingering too long)

• Added a tweak to fix maneaters skipping their windup after changing targets due to desynced timers across multiple clients

• Added a few silent fixes in the background to address issues with older moons:

  • Ganimedes' terrain now supports decals
  • On Aquatis, quicksand will display with its intended custom texture (instead of a translucent white square due to the asset corrupting)
  • That same custom quicksand texture also applies to Orion and Ganimedes (this may become a configurable list later, but this should only be needed for old unmaintained moons)

• Added a tweak to always enable shadow casting for the sun (at some performance cost), avoiding an overly bright ship interior when landing on certain moons

[wind gale]

This is a great update!! Love it, thanks a bunch!

[glad panther]

Cool update, I appreciate the love for older moons

[glass lodge]

great update

actually have 2 more fixed for aquatis

if youd consider it

well mainly one

I use a mod that came out to fix this but

"The config starts with 5 replacement rules that fix the items on Aquatis. The items found on the surface of Aquatis cause several bugs related to saving the game and entering orbit. The 5 default replacement rules in this mod fix these issues by replacing the items on Aquatis with correctly instantiated versions."

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Azx/Item_Replacer/

mod has general purpose of doing this

it just has this as a default

[lean pendant]

I have a general fix which attempts to replace any item with the correct one when it bugs out like that, I've tested it and it works with the items on Aquatis

[glass lodge]

oh is it already in the mod

[lean pendant]

yeah, though I think I've seen it not work before so let me know if it isn't under some circumstances, but I just tested yesterday in a big pack and it was fine

[glass lodge]

ok thx, btw the sunlight fixes are really nice

[sly mulch]

If it's replacing all 5 items with newly spawned items, and it's updating the parent (so it's tied to the ship or the global instance instead of inheriting the parent from the original) then it should be fine.

The Aquatis test cases which should cover these issues (if these work then it's fine):

1. Land on Aquatis, pickup boombox, go back to ship, return to orbit. After reaching orbit, the boombox must still be in your inventory. Drop it, pick it up, and turn it on.

2. Land on Aquatis, pickup boombox, go back to ship, drop the boombox inside the ship, return to orbit. After reaching orbit, quit the game. Open the game again, and the boombox must still be in the ship where you dropped it. Pick it up, and turn it on.

If those both work then there shouldn't be an issue, assuming all 5 items on Aquatis are being corrected the same way as the boombox.

Btw you're doing god's work by fixing the quicksand textures on Aquatis. This is the best first-quota map and it was a shame to see it get such a serious visual bug.

[nimble pond]

i s2g discord needs to stop randomly x reacting to messages when i tap them

[sturdy lion]

the amount of times i've done that...

[lean pendant]

Mine is a general fix which just checks for any missing item properties (i.e. invisible broken items) upon changing moons, then uses the item name to search for the correct properties, then deletes and respawns it (along with setting parent etc.). It's worked for all the stuff on Aquatis in my experience
https://github.com/Science-Bird/ScienceBirdTweaks/blob/main/Patches/NullItemPatches.cs#L68

[sly mulch]

Very thorough, sounds like that should do it 🙂

[indigo bough]

Super niche suggestion, but could the "earth leviathans create sinkholes" feature be disabled in the interior?

Since mods like brutal company and I think Polarus can spawn Earth Leviathans indoors

But the sinkholes don't render indoors and they're fully invisible (but still deadly)

[lean pendant]

hmm, theoretically it shouldn't do anything if it isn't on a natural surface (as I assume most interiors aren't). is this with extra surfaces also turned on?

[wintry pulsar]

Is it possible to fix playersregion from lcoffice like you did with mineshaft elevator or the interior dev needs to do this?

[indigo bough]

It is yeah, I thought they might not work indoors with it turned off

[lean pendant]

I'm not exactly sure what the issue is with the LC office elevator is, I heard that it was going to be fixed by PathfindingLib but seems like that didn't end up happening. I'd certainly like to fix it, but it seems like a very different issue from the mineshaft elevator so I'd have to spend quite some time figuring it out

[lean pendant]

I can't speak for how the indoor earth leviathan is implemented, but with extra surfaces turned off the quicksand shouldn't kill you on non-natural surfaces at least. I can see about adding a depth check to it when I next update though

[sturdy lion]

PathfindingLib's purpose would've been to allow enemies that use the smart pathfinding from pathfindinglib (including the masked using the smart agent mod zaggy made) to use the elevator to go to the different floors

[lean pendant]

yeah I saw that, it's just that Jacob mentioned it would fix the enemy AI breaking (i.e. spinning around a bunch) when it goes into the elevator but it seems like that still happens. may have just been a misunderstanding at the time

[sturdy lion]

oh not sure then

[lean pendant]

this is what I'm referring to btw (this is an old clip so I think it's not as bad now, but still pretty similar)

[sturdy lion]

yeah i remember this, shit's hilarious

i wonder if enemies can still path in after the doors closed

[wooden loom]

what does the custom quicksand texture look like?

[trail patrol]

they can it's very annoying

[indigo bough]

Yeah if you get around to it, a depth check would be great, thanks

Also I just realised your pfp is Shimeji Simulation, how did I not notice that before

[sturdy lion]

I thought it was a bird

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[tribal spear]

https://tenor.com/view/tkmiz-tsukumizu-3d-model-shimeji-simulation-death-gif-6399413903690579115

[crimson thunder]

@lean pendant @sturdy lion I just wanted to let you both know that Glitch and I have both confirmed that having multiple storage cupboards leads to the NaN issues where people fall through the world, the issue also tends to happen with the Microwave as well if it exists. Having only 1 storage cupboard fixes the issue entirely

[trail patrol]

warr

[lean pendant]

would make sense since it's seemingly just something weird with placement colliders. I'd try to look for the root cause if it weren't so impossible to recreate

[lean pendant]

always glad to meet another fan 🫡

[lean pendant]

not the best pic, but it gives you an idea. it blends in with sand the same way the brown blends in with earthy terrain

[nimble pond]

how exactly are the "scannable item highlights" color determined?

im working on a mod RN and it's got an item that is showing blue highlights even though the scan node is green

[lean pendant]

it's just whether it's a tool or scrap (with some edge cases). I should probably look into grabbing the scan node colour though, cant imagine it's hard.

only reason it's hardcoded like that now is because it's meant for compatibility with one specific mod that adds scan nodes to tools, but I've come to realize there are other mods that add new scan nodes lol

[nimble pond]

in other news, here's a fun bug i literally just discovered

[nimble pond]

i see

it's kind of a weird situation because i wanted the item to not count as scrap but it needed a green scan node

but i actually need to make some upstream changes that involve changing that item into scrap

so it'll probably fix my problem

[lean pendant]

ye that'll happen with any object in motion lol (at one point I parented the hologram to the object but that caused issues). I have a long list of improvements to consider whenever I take this tweak out of its experimental phase

[nimble pond]

i see

if you want to follow the transform i guess you could just add a component with a "fake parent" field and then do SetPositionAndRotation to the fake parent in LateUpdate() on that component

im not sure if there are edge cases where that wouldnt work but i think that'd be the simplest workaround

it's how i'd try it first

anyway

[lament tree]

this can be visible sometimes on non-host, unless its a LAN mode thing somehow

[lean pendant]

yeah I've seen this reported before but couldn't recreate, so I assume it's some mod conflict, thanks for the info 🫡

[crimson thunder]

🤔

[rich cove]

@lean pendant Would there be any possible way to fix the weird thumper targeting in multiplayer?, I think this vid is a pretty good example of how annoying and disorienting it can be

(Apologies in advance for bad mic quality, I just bought a new headset recently and I'm adjusting my volume settings to accomodate it)

[crimson thunder]

This isn't a multiplayer bug

Navmesh is just a little bit buggy in some parts of Atlantean Citadel

[north iris]

no this is the thumper constantly retargetting to someone else and alex over and over

someone was standing behind him on top of a structure the thumper cant pathfind to

[crimson thunder]

Oh odd I have never had this

[north iris]

this happens like

all the time

if you have two people facing a thumpers LoS

[crimson thunder]

I've never experienced it

Lmao

That's so funny

[north iris]

its more of a problem when you actually try to kill them
which like
is sort of the only option against them

[crimson thunder]

The only time I ever faced a weird bug with the Thumper was on OG Penumbra on an older build of the game

lol

and I never had it again after

[north iris]

monsters dont have set-in-stone targets based on who they first see

the target can constantly change, mainly depending on who is the closest player from the monster

the bracken can be aggroed by someone like 10 feet away, but it will go for the player closer to them if its not that player

combine that with thumpers having slightly offset movement when you are not the host of the lobby

and you get this

[nocturne ether]

The humble snail: 🐌

(Not LOS based but it will get a specific player eventually, if given enough time)

[wintry pulsar]

I didn't see this yesterday while i was killing a thumper with a friend

[tacit heath]

Yeah its an extremely annoying bug cause it doesnt seem to care what type of shelving I use, if I have more than 2 furniture pieces that can hold items then clients randomly fall through the world. Seems to trigger more on company days and when landing. Its very inconsistent though.
Used the SSS and Mel's Pocket room and it was by 2nd quota I think when it started happening.

Then another time I bought a workshop bench from Mel's furniture and immediately next landing multiple fell through map. Storing the workbench and it never happened again.

Let me know if you need help testing if you end up trying to fix that bug.

[lean pendant]

I tried to give it some testing a few months ago but after I couldn't recreate it in almost an hour I decided it wouldn't be worth my time (and because I hadn't experienced the issue casually in a very long time, even using SSS, so it seems like I fixed it in my own modpack). If you know of a way to consistently recreate it in <10 minutes of gameplay I'll give it another look, but even then I think it'll still be challenging to pinpoint.

I have nothing concrete to prove this, but I also have a theory that in addition to shelf colliders it's also a particular issue with modded scrap (I never experienced the issue again after removing a bunch of different modded scrap from my pack, but I also changed a lot of other things so no way to know for sure).

[tacit heath]

It happens to clients only and its very random. But anytime we have two furniture that can have items stored on them thats when we randomly get players falling through the ship. I've had it happen with the following combos.
Vanilla Cabinet - SSS
Vanilla Cabinet - Wide Cabinet from Mel
Wide Cabinet - SSS
SSS - Pocket Room (only the one that has shelves in it) by Mel
SSS - Workbench by MeL another storage type furniture

This issue has been happening before the SSS was released too. I just never knew what it was until someone else told me it was having two cabinets. Then after limiting to 1 it stopped happening. Then on stream I took a chance and bought the Workshop thinking it would be different and it happened within 10 minutes. Same when I tried the pocket room in hopes that it was far enough away.

@lean pendant When you were testing did you have others or just your self? cause it is client only. Otherwise I'm curious if I could peak at your mod pack to compare in the event its some random ass broken mod.

[lean pendant]

I was testing with multiple clients in a LAN network, but as you said it's very inconsistent to recreate (even when it was happening in my pack it was pretty infrequent).

I can send you my mods later, though I have a feeling the biggest difference is I only have one mod which adds shelving (SSS) as opposed to multiple. I also first encountered this issue with my mod that adds multiple cupboards.

I'll double-check some things later (mainly to see if there's some underlying Unity issue I should know about), but until I can recreate it my options for troubleshooting are limited by looking at logs alone. I'll keep you posted if I figure anything out 🫡

[gloomy cove]

You said it's happening with 2 or more shelves furnitures but one thing I don't understand is that

• SSS does not have any shelves collider, it uses transform points to place the items, this is different from any other cupboard mod
• I have so many shelves furnitures in our friends modpack (all the shelves from Mel, vanilla, and another one I forgot the name) and I never got this issue when playing with 10+ players

Maybe the issue happens only when you buy a new furniture while in orbit? And like it's fine when you have already everything spawned with Furniture Lock? Idk, but I agree with Science bird that if it is inconsistent they should not waste their time trying to figure it out

[lean pendant]

I'll definitely look into adding some sort of debug feature to the SBT update I'm working on to attempt to catch when it happens and log some information, might at least help get some more details even if we can't recreate it consistently yet.

Though I was also curious, @tacit heath @gloomy cove do either of you have players joining the game late? (i.e. after the initial host) I think I've went down this line of reasoning before, but it really feels like the sort of thing that would happen particularly to players who joined late.

[crimson thunder]

I've had the problem several times myself

[gloomy cove]

I have late join players yes but never had the issue

[gloomy cove]

Yeah I know and you're not the only one so hopefully there will be a fix sometime later hm but I'm glad I never had this

[lean pendant]

I see, good to know

[gloomy cove]

People seems to report that it happens when furniture are spawned (either spawned from late joining, or when bought in the store) so maybe you can try looking into that? Not sure what else you can do

[tacit heath]

Hmmm....I stopped using furniture lock awhile ago. And just buying everything manually and moving it. You might be onto something. If it was like a rare bug that be one thing cause I always have Dice Debug menu to revive and catch players but the problem is when it does happen to someone it keeps happening to that same person during that lobby. @gloomy cove can I get your mod pack code via DMs so I can compare mods and I think I'll find someone to help deep dive today into it and try to find a way to reproduce it consistently. I feel it might just be an old mod that broke awhile back if not everyone experiences it.

[crimson thunder]

It wouldn't be from Furniture Lock

I've also been buying furniture constantly after people late join without problems, the NaNing issue only happens when adding the Microwave or another Storage Cupboard

Also this would not explain why it happens from Mel's Storage Room if it was because of Furniture Lock

because Glitch didn't have it there, and also some of the people that NaNed had been there since the lobby started with Lizzy being the first person to fall through the pocket room a couple of times

[gloomy cove]

I Honnestly wrote something totally random, that's probably not the cause of the issue
Anyway, if you want the modpack code then ask @dreamy bane

[dreamy bane]

hi what

[gloomy cove]

Send the code

Please

[dreamy bane]

019adffa-91e1-e85e-ff08-beba495c2a4d

I got the keys to our friend group's modpack since Zigzag got off his unemployed era

[gloomy cove]

yeah

[tacit heath]

No Lunxara they are saying maybe furniture lock prevented it NOT caused it....

[crimson thunder]

Oh

I have Furniture Lock in my pack and it happens though

What I wonder however

Does it happen with the Vanilla one?

I would assume so if the Microwave causes it

[tacit heath]

Just wanted to clarify that we never said Furniture lock was the culprit lol.

[tacit heath]

Yes further up I posted all pairings I can remember.

Vanilla Cabinet - SSS
Vanilla Cabinet - Wide Cabinet from Mel
Wide Cabinet - SSS
SSS - Pocket Room (only the one that has shelves in it) by Mel
SSS - Workbench by MeL another storage type furniture

@crimson thunder

[crimson thunder]

WorkTable would also prolly cause it

WorkTable is just a smaller Workbench

[lean pendant]

As far as I know the issue is exclusive to modded games, and likely not any simple direct cause since some people don't experience it at all

[crimson thunder]

Didn't you say it got reprod in a completely vanilla profile a while back?

[tacit heath]

Thats why I thought Furniture lock preventing it was a good theory since most people use it But Lunxara had to debunk that one.

[lean pendant]

I dont think I said that at least. but if somebody did I'd be very interested to hear. If it were a vanilla issue I'd expect these reports to be much more widespread

[crimson thunder]

I think when you were looking into More Cupboards making it way more likely you found it was vanilla

lol

That being said if it only happens in modded then it'd be caused by some mod fucking with Storage Cabinet colliders or smth probably

[lean pendant]

I've had a number of theories but i don't feel confident in any of them tbh. theoretically morecupboards just adds additional instances of something in vanilla, but evidence seems to point to something about the presence of mods messing stuff up

part of me suspects there's a major networking component since the error itself and its inconsistency bear a lot of resemblance to catastrophic client desyncs (which is why I suspected late joins, but clearly that alone isnt the cause either)

[crimson thunder]

I at one point theorized Cruiser Improved may cause it because it adds rigid bodies to scraps which I thought sometimes made clients unable to see some scraps and a lot of times the scraps they can't see is what causes them to NaN

But typically that issue only happens if someone is holding certain scraps when a client is joining

and that isn't specific to late join

[tacit heath]

tbh I can't remember if the players affected by it were late join or not. With my lobbies I can run between 8 - 16 players some times. So we get people leaving and joining all through out the night. Usually too we can run strong with no need to reload the lobby either and its better now that Lunxara gave me a mod to fix our one issue with monitor desynces lol.

[crimson thunder]

But Scandal debunked that Cruiser Improved would cause it a while ago

So idk

Wouldn't explain the issue of it happening with the pocket room on a fresh lobby though

cus in that scenario the client would see every scrap just fine

[tacit heath]

You're right cause it happened very early into our lobby that night. We started catching it was happening on Infernis cause people kept falling through the world when attacking the spider then on Galetry it happened again to 2 people I think on landing so we quickly swapped it out to the bedroom

[crimson thunder]

Yeah

I think it's more likely smth messing with the colliders of the storage cabinets or smth

if it's specific to modded

[lean pendant]

Has it happened a lot when first loading a new moon/leaving one? that would actually make more sense from the perspective of a client desync, but from the cases I've seen it happens randomly after some time on a company moon.

[tacit heath]

It happened both times we went to Infernis, and it happened on landing at Galetry on company day, and in the past i've seen it just randomly happen while in orbit. My examples are yes of Wesleys Journey due to it being the last experience we had with the bug, but its happened before without Wesleys Journey on I believe. Its happened so much and so long ago that once I discovered that connection I stopped using 2 storage furnitures and started just keeping a basic ship again.

[crimson thunder]

It's funny that all furnitures work okay except the cupboard and microwave

lmao

I like having the smaller ship though, way better compat with moons

[tacit heath]

I'm contenct with the bigger one by mrov gives just enough space for larger lobby and room to fit what we need.

[crimson thunder]

Ye

BiggerShip + the Pocket Room has been perfect for our lobbies

[gloomy cove]

does this happen if you have Furniture lock BUT you dont have everything already unlocked and you buy a furniture mid game ?

[nimble pond]

Cruiser Improved may cause it because it adds rigid bodies to scrap
im not sure if you were saying this was "just part of the theory" but i should mention that this doesn't happen

it adds kinematic rigidbodies to the scan nodes

which specifically allows you to scan items when they are in the cruiser

but items themselves are not affected by this change

[crimson thunder]

Yeah that's why I said I once thought it caused it but it was debunked

[tacit heath]

I would still buy them and used funiture lock to autoplace them for me.

[lean pendant]

not to say it is related because I dont know anything about this specific issue, but when the "Infinity or NaN" collider error happens it's almost always the scan node which triggers it in my experience (since grabbable items dont generally have any other colliders in them)

[gloomy cove]

then maybe the issue is there

Whatever Furniture lock, just buy a furniture in the store

I almost never buy furnitures in the store in our friends pack, and when we do its always things like the disco ball, or some useless things like plants etc, not shelves

[tacit heath]

When I go to deep dive testing for it ill throw this in to see.

[lean pendant]

in my sessions we generally purchase a smart cupboard (technically no shelves) and a microwave at some point (though we have furniture lock to save some positions), and I haven't experienced the issue firsthand in almost a year. seems like the strongest tie is to mods which add shelf items like Mel's and MoreCupboards, I haven't used either of those in a long time.

[gloomy cove]

suspicious

[shadow lily]

@lean pendant We noticed something

Mineshaft's extra scrap spawns is 0 in your config

Does that mean changing it to 6 will readd those 6 extra spawns from vanilla, or add 6 extra to the 6 it already spawns by default

[north iris]

it adds 6 more on top

i think this is explained in the mods README

[glass lodge]

almost forgot about that feature

decided to add a few rn

[manic girder]

ngl peak feature

[glass lodge]

god slaugherhouse needed that

[manic girder]

LC office moment

[glass lodge]

I never had that many issues

with office's scrap

[manic girder]

honestly lc office has it fairly ok

[north iris]

i actually inspected this one out of curiosity from someone mentioning it to me

[manic girder]

just what we said before, that it spawns big

[north iris]

the problem is not loot node placements

its how fucking big the interior is by default

needless to say, idk if extra scrap on it will help much

because you still need to run deep in

office size is fine, loot nodes are a bigger issue for office

and theres a ton of spots scrap spawns out of bounds

[trail patrol]

it's sorta remedied by being able to dig through turds to find some extra scraps

but it does generate quite big

[glass lodge]

I mean itll at least help in a bandaid sorta way

[north iris]

have you tried doing this for a bit

in my experience they barely spawn items

i only loaded like 10 seeds

but still

[trail patrol]

yeah I've played slaughterhouse a ton

vanilla adamance slaughterhouse seemed fine in my experience

[shadow lily]

Would u be interested in adding a, "male," sapsucker feature :d
Basically if a second sapsucker spawns, they won't attack each other, and one of them will be selected as the master similar to barbers, and will be allowed to sleep, while the male just does the standard sapsucker routine of walking, pecking at trees, and occasionally dancing

They're the only other entities who been stated to mate for life (The first one being kidnapper foxes, but they don't have a nesting behavior as sapsuckers do, nor do they attack each other, so they just kinda chill together) and getting to see that would be pretty cool methinks

[trail patrol]

So the second sapsucker that spawns would be away from the nest just chilling, while the female protects the nest?

or was it the male that protected the nest and the female that hunted

[shadow lily]

No the males have been stated to hunt in the bestiary

[trail patrol]

right right

[shadow lily]

But in-game, the male and female sapsuckers would be behave the same (Since this is Science Bird Tweaks, not Code Rebirth), but only the female is allowed to sleep, and the two won't attack each other since sapsuckers in vanilla don't recognize each other as the same entity and will become hostile if either of them are within bounds of a nest

[trail patrol]

but don't sapsuckers already sleep?

do you mean make the females sleep all the time or just longer?

[shadow lily]

No female sapsuckers don't sleep all the time, males are just not allowed to sleep

Though I guess it could also be cool if they take turns sleeping instead

[trail patrol]

Ok so to summarize

Allow multiple sapsuckers to spawn, they recognize themselves as the same entity, both do the same thing but one of them never sleeps

[shadow lily]

they recognize themselves as the same entity, both do the same thing but one of them never sleeps
Yes, I left out the first part though since we'd be modifying the sapsucker's spawn cap via Lunar Config, and also to put less strain on Science Bird

[trail patrol]

I mean if SB adds is they'd probably wanna allow this to happen without another mod being needed

it's more of a vanilla tweak than a mod tweak

[shadow lily]

Fair, but I thought we'd be considerate since this feels like way too much to ask :d

[trail patrol]

understandable yea

[shadow lily]

It'd also be nice if the male sapsucker/second sapsucker that spawns would be considerably smaller than the female. Probably slightly taller than alpha baboon hawk height

Since male sapsuckers are smaller than females

But its Science Bird's choice

We're already allowing two kidnapper foxes to spawn in our modpack, and more glimpses into Lethal Company's take on nature would make for more interesting and refreshing sights

[dense yoke]

I’d probably also end up using this feature since it sounds really cool

Would love to see if added. Only if science bird what’s to ofc

[spiral flame]

Science bird tweaks

[lean pendant]

Cool idea and fun for lore, probably too involved for it to be an immediate priority, but I'll put it on the list of things to think about when I get time to add some major stuff

[misty rapids]

the wither moon might be one of my favourite moons out there, the only thing is that my fps drops by like half even when using perfomance mods

[glass lodge]

really? it isnt really a super intense moon on the performance front

or at least it shouldnt be

[misty rapids]

im getting about 90-100fps, but on other moons around 150 (included modded ones)

[lean pendant]

I spent a long part of wither's development on performance optimization (making custom LOD models, adjusting light source shadow resolution), but I think it's inevitable for there to be some dip with how big the moon is and how many light sources and decals there are. In my experience and for most people using it, the performance is still acceptable most of the time (imo anything around 100fps is perfectly fine). unless the drop in performance is a recent-ish issue, I don't think there's any easy performance gains to be found

[wintry pulsar]

MoreCompany breaks TZP voice pitch; this is a minor issue and probably very hard to fix. But if that interested you in trying to fix it.

[spiral flame]

I thought that got fixed? It’s still not? Wow

[wintry pulsar]

Only if you put 4 players in the settings

[ionic falcon]

this is kind of intentional, as it would require adding like 50 additional audio mixers, and from what i remember it's apparently a pain to do, so it's just disabled entirely

the tzp pitch effect is not exactly modular unfortunately

[wintry pulsar]

Thx for explain it

Well, if they could add at least 4 more. 8 players

[lean pendant]

I've briefly looked into voice-related stuff for a different idea and it seems pretty brutal to do anything with, yeah. though I'll be returning to that idea eventually, so maybe if I stumble upon an easy solution

[shadow lily]

Hey, d'you mind ironing out your iteration of DustClouds a bit? In spectate, it not only bleeds into the interior, but also its blizzard sfx resets when you click mouse1.

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[shadow lily]

Oh yeah, the blizzard sfx is also REALLY fucky around the ship's hangar, landed or not. It will sometimes continually reset itself until we're either away from or inside the ship.

[shadow lily]

It's actually probably not a good idea to do this if it's too costly for you :d

Allowing a male sapsucker to exist without affecting the balance of either gender would make the eggs even harder, possibly even impossible to get since the male would notify the female of your shenanigans way before you could even get semi-close to the nest

[lean pendant]

I've very occasionally noticed odd behaviour with dust clouds and spectating, but could never recreate it consistently enough to be sure, so thanks for confirming that I wasn't just hallucinating that lol.

As for the ship hangar thing, I think it might just be an extension of vanilla dust cloud weather being really jank (as it's not actually implemented). I had to fix a lot of inherent bugs with dust clouds when I made those tweaks and one of them is dust clouds persisting or disappearing when they aren't supposed to (though it's much more noticeable with the tweaked dust clouds obviously). I'll look into if this is something I just didn't fix or is caused by something else.

Thanks for the tips.

[tacit heath]

When was the last update for the enemy spectate mod? Last I saw it was pretty outdated. Its very much possible if your issue is only while dead and spectating that its related to the spectating mod being very outdated.

[shadow lily]

Science Bird just stated that it happens outside of Spectate Enemies

[tacit heath]

Ok, but if they can't find anything om their end causing it then see if it gets better without the spectate enemies mod. Just a suggestion to try and be helpful in the event it isnt their mod causing the issue. I may biit up my pack and see how it is on my end cause I've never really noticed any of that from your clip. Is it only dust clouds causing the problem? I heard you mention blizzard are you referring to Lethal Elements Theta?

[shadow lily]

We can try. Science Bird's DustClouds uses the ice moon's blizzard sfx; that's what we're referring to, and we don't have Lethal Elements anyway

Nvm we can't test because running two modded LC instances just isn't an option

💀

[tacit heath]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ZetaArcade/Dusted/

This mod could be your culprit. Its outdated and possibly conflicting. This is just a theory.

I can also help assist and there is a way to run two modded instances. I just dont know how my self.

[shadow lily]

? Doesn't the setting require Dusted to begin with

WeatherRegistry doesn't allow DustClouds to spawn by default

[tacit heath]

Ah that is true. Then its more likely Dusted is still the problem since its how you can spawn them. I thought there was another way to activate dust clouds so I got mixed up a little bit. After looking over Dusted

• How moons will behave once DustClouds is added is out of my control, as its down to the dev of the moon to implement support for DustClouds themselves if its a weather THEY want on their moon. Any unintended behaviour from forcibly adding it this way is on you for choosing to do so with this mod. Likewise, its also possible the weather will do nothing on some moons boowomp.

So if its Weather Registry, Dusted, and any modded Moon as the main factors here where does Science Bird Tweaks play in for all this? I'm not being a smart ass I am generally curious how this comes back to Science Bird and if I'm missing something.

[shadow lily]

Because there was a time where we played without these settings enabled, and vanilla DustClouds didn't have either issue

[tacit heath]

without what settings? Vanilla dustcloud from dusted mod?

[shadow lily]

All of these

Without all of these enabled DustClouds is fine IIrc

We haven't encountered them bleed into the interior

[tacit heath]

Ah gotcha. Didn't realize those where a thing. and actually I need to correct you on something I just noticed and found.

[tacit heath]

Weather Registry does have dustclouds. You're right though they are off by default just read that part. Why not try disabling Dusted the mod and just use Weather Registry for it as it does feel like Dusted isn't needed. Maybe that would fix it.
Edited in: Actually my weather registry does have Dustclouds on by default.

I can help run a test with ya if you wanted.

[shadow lily]

No we mean it doesn't matter if you give it weight in WR or not

Moons will never roll the weather unless you have mods that actually reimplement the weather i.e. Dusted

[tacit heath]

Ah gotcha that would make sense cause I do know I see it as our weather from time to time, I also have like 20 different weathers so Dust Clouds are kind of boring to me lol. I like having actual Blizzards and jumping in the snow lol.

Sorry tried giving ideas but I got nothing more unless the issue happens with other weathers too. Hope you get it resolved.

[shadow lily]

It's a problem for Science Bird to resolve unfortunately since it's their mod that's touching an unused mechanic that was left in an unstable state upon release of the game :d

Nothing we can personally do

[tacit heath]

don't bother me much. I never noticed it on my lobbies. If it is just a death spectate issue too then I can live with that also. We got more important things to hope for like a Daddy Sapsucker >:D

[shadow lily]

Dilf sapsucker oh my lord

[tacit heath]

Wasn't it you that discussed about it awhile back in here??

[shadow lily]

I will say the sfx is most noticable. The visuals are fine

It's kinda hard to uh. ignore it resetting over and over again

[shadow lily]

Yuh

Just never thought of the male being a short king dilf lol

[tacit heath]

Yeah I wanted to ask why is the #1 Sapsucker HATER wanting a 2nd sapsucker the Daddy to be a thing lol

I legit found it so hilarious and wanted to know more about you after that.

[shadow lily]

The entity has a rlly good design and worlbuilding and we also rebalanced them in our modpack Confined Contract, but they suck absolute shit in vanilla

I have no fucking clue how people went crazy over the kidnapper fox there's an an entity nowadays that's basically guaranteed death if you have to go past it since they can travel up to Mach fuck

[tacit heath]

I honestly loved the fox.

[shadow lily]

And is also practically impossible to play with without cheeses so it just feels like unnecessary work

[shadow lily]

Bitches never gave the damn thing a chance even when vain shrouds were fixed and the only people who learned how to play against the two were speedrunners

It actually pisses us off how whiny some fucking people are and we lost two great entities because they couldn't just give formal criticism like normal adults

[tacit heath]

I love enemies that pull players away. Its so commical to me to see your friends getting dragged away and hearing their screams for help slowly fade then POP head goes flying out the bushes lol

[shadow lily]

IT'S SO GOOD,, FUCK man I hate this community so much

It's only the modders that are mature, the consumers are just .yeah

[tacit heath]

wait who's the second entity we lost? I know the Fox, but I don't remember any others?

[shadow lily]

Vain shrouds

They are an entity because they have a bestiary entry. I would consider so at least

[tacit heath]

Oh gotcha your right my bad.

[shadow lily]

First and only plant entity so far btw :d

Ughhhhhhhhh the magic of seeing a lone vain shroud on Offense for the first time will never be recapturedddddddddd

[shadow lily]

Hope Zeekerss gives the pumpkins a bestiary entry someday

That would be cool I think

[tacit heath]

I'm surprised he didnt

[shadow lily]

Tbf the idea of something like a vain shroud prolly didn't come to him until like a year later :d

Kind of like how turrets don't have bestiary entries but old birds do

[uncut cloud]

I have a very love hate relationship with the fox. I think it’s one of the most well designed (looking&sounding) entities that have been added to the game, but it does get incredibly annoying to deal with if you get a bad vain shroud spawn where it’s completely unavoidable. The main thing that would significantly improve it for me would be to make it so you don’t drop all of your items when you get yoinked. There’s mods that make it acts that way which makes it sooo much better.

I wonder if we’ll get the kidnapper fox back with the next update? Since it seems pretty nature focused from what I’ve seen.

[north iris]

b- but the competitive community wouldnt like it!!!!

[glass lodge]

Id have let you rip its tongue if you pulled away from it enough

Id regen it back at the bush

[nimble pond]

i really dont think the fox is ever coming back

the sapsucker strikes me as the "area denial enemy concept re-interpretation" and puffo confirmed that this was probably the case months ago

[spiral flame]

I’ll never give up! Long live the fox!

[shadow lily]

Long live the fox...

[glad panther]

They were probably the least bothered by it

You were still in the competitive community back then so I am surprised you do not know this

[rich cove]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

Me making the comp community explode:

[north iris]

they were definitely bothered by it

the only reason they play on the version with it is because its the latest before mineshaft existed and they have strategies that make the fox have almost zero impact

fundamentally the problem isnt even the fox, its the vain shrouds

if they were more restricted on how they could spawn and didnt spread in numbers so fucking quickly, i dont think the fox wouldve been nearly as hated

[glad panther]

Even if they were the casuals definitely hated it more

I agree the issue was mainly the vain shrouds, I have been saying that since day 1

The Fox’s AI was not perfect but I cannot say too much bad about it, especially compared to the shrouds

v56 Titan always screamed “was this never play tested” to me

[ionic falcon]

i'm pretty sure the core reason is that Art got nerfed in v60, so they play on 56

[ionic falcon]

pffft

[glad panther]

It is interesting to wonder of HQ would have played v60 if Artifice had not gotten nerfed. Mineshaft is hard to full clear compared to Factory and Manor, but the +6 items means the profit potential is higher

I bet v56 would still see action, but v60 would be a lot more popular

[dense yoke]

some people can consistently clear mineshaft, so the highest quotas would definitely by on v60, but those who arent as consistent might play on v56

[glad panther]

True

[wintry pulsar]

ButteryBalance restore earth leviathans for rend and this happens with Earth leviathan quicksand on Rend

[spiral flame]

This is almost like the terrain isn’t set to render the proper layer. I can’t remember, does it ever rain there? If no, Zeekerss honestly might’ve forgotten

Or, I guess if it does he still could’ve lol. But I’d imagine it’d be reported a bunch

[lament tree]

This also happens on some custom maps too or when snowing (if i recall)?

[shadow lily]

We got a request :d A weird one at that

Would you be interested in adding a Chameleon-compatible plane behind Experimentation's main entrance