V.E. Scanvan Thread! (and any other of my vehicles)

[humble geyser]

the HP is still the same

its the durability that changed

[willow charm]

Well, same thing basically

[humble geyser]

he also buffed the self regen into oblivion and made trees deal 0 damage

[willow charm]

It was his idea of good balancing

Not realism

[humble geyser]

between v56-v69 the general consensus was that the car was in a good state balance wise

then this happens

i guess it is zeekerss game and he can do what he wants, but i'm still going to have my own opinions regarding it

and i know it's not just me that thinks similar

[willow charm]

Again, his idea of balancing. Good or bad is irrelevant to this argument tbh

[humble geyser]

i completely forgot what this argument was about

it derailed really badly

[willow charm]

Uhh.. lmao

My argument was how you shouldn't be going for "it's a van so it must be like this because realistic"

[humble geyser]

and i know that which is why i'm not choosing to go down a super realistic route

it's already a bit arcadey in its current form, whether you think that's the case or not, you have to believe me because it is

i know it's arcadey for a van, even if it's 'more realistic' than the cruiser

[willow charm]

No yeah, but that accuracy to being a van, even if not 100% realistic, I feel is a detriment to how appealing/fun it is

[humble geyser]

a van that handles like a sports car doesn't seem like fun to me

[willow charm]

I've used the scanvan plenty, but there isn't anything to it that would make me want to use it over regular cruiser

[humble geyser]

i actually enjoy the 'more realistic' nature, i know i'm biased, but still

well, that's fine

[willow charm]

I don't want thatttt

[humble geyser]

you aren't forced to use it; but at the same time i'm open to feedback

[willow charm]

It's not meant to be a sports car, no, never was what I wanted

[humble geyser]

oh

wait

I

MISREAD

apologies

[humble geyser]

well that's what the cruiser handles like

and drives like

it has rapid acceleration, sports car like suspension

the steering is overly quick, as well

[willow charm]

Correct, which means the van is less appealing as it has nothing else going for it. Extra protection is not worth it to me

[humble geyser]

what would you want in a vehicle? and in one that's cruiser based, too

this is more a curiosity thing

[willow charm]

Right now it's been getting plenty of use because it's fresh and cool, but if it has no benefit outside that, why even bother

[humble geyser]

so you do want it to handle like a sports car on rails?

[willow charm]

I want it to have benefits that make more worth it to use. That isn't limited to driveability

Didn't I suggest a portable charger in the back at one point?

[humble geyser]

if you don't want to use it that's fine, if you see nothing in it then i'm not going to sit here and try convince you otherwise, especially if you've already made up your mind up about it, but at the same time i'm also open to feedback, as long as it isn't "make it drive with wasd and make it handle like a corvette"

[humble geyser]

no

well

not that i can remember

but i have poor memory

[cold dune]

jacu arguing with the creator of a van that literally has the creators name in it to get it changed to be what he wants 💔

[willow charm]

Yeah like that's one idea that would make it interesting to me. Charging flashlights and biz at main?

[fallow perch]

ooh you should make a corvette!!!
the scanvette..

[cold dune]

that would be neat methinks

[willow charm]

People in lobbies I been in have already contemplated between the two, it's just gonna get worse as the new factor wears off

[humble geyser]

if the charger is something that isn't going to behave weirdly outside the ship i "may consider it" as a config

[humble geyser]

you don't have to use this vehicular if you don't like it/see use in it

but again i am receptive to feedback, as long as it's not something extreme

[fallow perch]

yeah it doesn't have to appeal to everyone

[willow charm]

I'm worried that I won't be the only one, because this is a genuinely high quality mod otherwise

[fallow perch]

I love the scanvan very much because I really like cars and have always wanted manual transmission in the cruiser
but that's just me and not everyone

[humble geyser]

well, if you have ideas Jacu, toss them my way man

i'm not against adding things to make it better or more appealing

aside from mentioning the weight affecting the car i already have that noted down!!!!

[willow charm]

Like I don't hate this thing, it does appeal to me, I still have no issue choosing it over regular cruiser because I like a challenge. But to the average player (who has no specific interest like "oh it's manual" or "challenging") it might end up not appealing enough to be worth even using over cc

For instance Melanie's cruiser had an option for monster truck wheels. that was fun and unique, thus worth using even if it came at some drawbacks

[humble geyser]

i heavily disliked the monster truck wheels

[cold dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-inform-whisper-what-gif-11607966043387348688

hey buddy.

[willow charm]

Beanie get out

[cold dune]

scandals making it realistic...

[humble geyser]

they were extremely obscene, and forgive me for what i was saying here, completely out of the realm of realism

[cold dune]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-ab-bp-bad-piggies-piggy-gif-11861127453777296603

[willow charm]

Realistic isn't fun

[humble geyser]

i'm not aiming for super realistic

i'm aiming for more down to earth

realism can be fun, but it depends on who you ask

[willow charm]

Only to an extent

[humble geyser]

and it depends on the thing in question, i guess

the monster truck wheels are more of a silly gag than anything

but i don't wish to add anything like that for this

it would just look incredibly, well, stupid, and probably make the car 10x worse to drive

[willow charm]

Nobody has made a game about being at the front desk of a grocery store and "that's it". There's always something else to it

[humble geyser]

~~you'd be surprised 😉 ~~ yeah i getcha

[willow charm]

Well maybe someone has, but I doubt they were very successful

[humble geyser]

that's fair

[cold dune]

the charger would be neat i think

and could be logical

if you hook a giant car battery to it

[humble geyser]

the charger one i kinda like, i'd just need to confirm that the charger isn't going to behave weirdly outside the ship

[cold dune]

i think the appeal about this cruiser rn is all the little gadgets on

[cold dune]

wesley has them in an interior

i think its okay

[humble geyser]

i more mean in a moving vehicle

[willow charm]

It already tells you "the charging system is malfunctioning", so it could be a fun play off that, even if it isn't 100% realistic

[cold dune]

my only concern is anims

yeah

[humble geyser]

although i guess the ship also moves

[cold dune]

that

[cold dune]

oh...

it does indeed

[humble geyser]

the charging system malfunction (irl) refers to the alternator not working but yeah that's not a half bad idea

[willow charm]

You can't charge while it's moving though, right?

[cold dune]

i think u can

[humble geyser]

i don't remember

[cold dune]

i mean you can sit while the ship is moving and thats the same kind of locked animation

im pretty sure

well, similar kind

[humble geyser]

to be fair car seats lock you to them so maybe the charger wouldn't bug out

[cold dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255309655685468210/1495220152869060719/goldbaralarm.gif

[humble geyser]

i'd have to play around with it

[cold dune]

hopefully

[willow charm]

Maybe it could come with a free extension ladder and a special compartment for it

[humble geyser]

although i would entertain the idea of having one of those wireless chargers on the dashboard with a wire connected to a USB port, and any items placed on it will be charged as long as the engine is running with good health

side compartments... aren't a bad idea tbh

[cold dune]

wdym extension ladder

i can see it having like uhhhh

[willow charm]

Maybe an embedded walkie system in the dashboard?

[humble geyser]

extension ladders absolutely break vehicles in weird ways

[cold dune]

yeah

i was gonna say

[humble geyser]

oh yeah, a CB radio

i think glojam wanted to make one for the hauler

originally

[willow charm]

Like this is what I mean with appeal

Something that makes it worth choosing

[willow charm]

You could even make that more fun by having old birds interfere with the signal when nearby

[humble geyser]

i have a better idea than that

the devious Stormy Weather:

[cold dune]

wouldnt they logically do that to normal walkies

too

you could also have it do the company building thingy

[willow charm]

Idk, throwing ideas

[humble geyser]

yeah i getcha

[cold dune]

because its actually a basegame thing

would make sense

[humble geyser]

i just think stormy weather would make more sense

[cold dune]

the screams

[cold dune]

yeah

oldbirds just use sound cannons

[willow charm]

Oh yeah, that'd be a neat detail

[cold dune]

i dont recal them causing signal interference

[humble geyser]

i'm not entirely sure how the walkie system works and i'm not sure how much of a pain it'd be to add a 'static' effect to it

[willow charm]

This I mean, if the radio is on at company check every second and roll a very small chance to play the hidden audio through it

[humble geyser]

i might be able to hack the static sound to play, similar to the cruisers vanilla radio

where it just decreases the volume of the radio and increases volume of the static

and vise versa

i do think a CB radio could slot in here quite nicely

the side compartment thing i also quite like, potentially something around here

[willow charm]

While you're at it, put up a small standing platform on the edge. I think it'd be funny to "cling onto" the car, like in gta

[humble geyser]

you can already ride on the back 😉

[willow charm]

Like... On the outside?

[humble geyser]

yah

[willow charm]

Oh shit, cool

[humble geyser]

i just cant gaurantee you will stay on because something something unity collision resolution (out of my control)

[willow charm]

Yeahhh

[humble geyser]

and it would indeed be the same for side platforms

side platform would be more problematic because the physics region would need to extend to the sides

and then it would mean you get 'parented' even if you're not standing on part of the truck

although maybe i can figure something out... we'll see

since i wanted to do something similar for the haulers side steps

[late shale]

Finally worked out what the issue was, adding a network behaviour (even an empty one) onto your vehicle controller breaks the interactions (don't ask me how, the networking gets confused or something). I took your suggestion and made YPB only work for the vanilla cruiser only, meaning it will be compatible (in a non breaky way) with your van 😎 my update should show up within a few hours if you would like to test the compatibility again

[humble geyser]

Ah, yeah, I see, sounds good! glad you managed to figure it out

I'm okay with it not applying to my vehicular, just as long as it isn't nuking the cars interactions and whatnot

It probably don't work too well anyways with mine

[late shale]

Yeah it would have been nice since the van looks really good, but it probably would have been really hard to make compatible, people can carry and play music on the boombox still so it's not all too bad

[humble geyser]

Scandals maybe back-burner/things I have "noted down"

• CB Radio
• Charger?
• Item weight affecting acceleration but improving overall stability + traction in snow
• Storage light (if I can make it look "good"...)

[humble geyser]

i'm hoping i can get 1.3.1 out the door in a bit, it's not major and it'll just include a nullref spam fix, a cooldown on the ignition trigger after starting the car (i'll also look into the weird imperium hold interact thing) and it'll also include some form of windshield regeneration while in orbit

and the conditions for items in the back being safe will just be reduced to only the rear gate needing to be closed

side door will not have any impact

_ _
although on the other hand, i am thinking i'll hold back for now, and i'll get some more fun stuff done first before pushing 1.3.1

the nullref spam is only minor afaik and it doesn't spam constantly every frame

[humble geyser]

that is one crappy CB radio and i love it

slowly..

[fallow perch]

holy shit that is a fire idea

[humble geyser]

you have jacu to thank for the idea i s'pose

[fallow perch]

thank you JacuJ

[willow charm]

Funny how the normal cruiser shifter is just there

[humble geyser]

that's my old automatic shifter

it's just there incase i decide to do anything with it

[willow charm]

I am the one who ideas

[humble geyser]

you can probably come up with better ideas than me xp

[humble geyser]

i'm not making anything incredibly fancy since its literally just going to be one button to transmit your voice

[willow charm]

Maybe a power button too?

[humble geyser]

thatsss

good idea

i'll have to look into how the walkie works

this may require some custom scripts, which is fine i guess, as long as it isn't a massive pain up the ass

[fallow perch]

you got this!!

[humble geyser]

i can already tell this is going to be a royal pain up the fucking ass

i'll see what i can do though

[fallow perch]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-seal-dance-kad-kadinhou-sfc-gif-27260805

seals of Hope

[humble geyser]

i'm thinking that i'll make a custom script and also patch the walkie talkie

i just need to wrap my head around how the walkie works

actually that might be more effort than its worth

idk

i'll have to see how other mods handle similar stuff

[fallow perch]

maybe LethalPhones has some useful code

[humble geyser]

that.. somehow never occurred to me

Although that's only for the phones right?

And not walkies

[fallow perch]

right yeah

[humble geyser]

Playzone had a walkie transmit in the elevator

I know that works

So it's not impossible

[flint prawn]

Is it actually for you to speak or does it just let you hear from walkies? For some reason I feel like itolib only has one and it was the latter but idk

[humble geyser]

well it would let you speak and listen

[humble geyser]

https://github.com/pacoito123/LC_itolib/blob/main/itolib/Behaviours/Interactables/InteractTalkable.cs you may be right

although i'm not sure if you can hear transmissions through it

it would be simpler, in theory, but hearing people through it would be nice

[humble geyser]

@willow charm due to how the entire walkie system works, it'll probably have to be "hold to listen and transmit"

hope that's not too detrimental ;p

the player voice just becomes 2d when they're talking into a walkie from what i can tell

their voice isn't played through another audio

[humble geyser]

making the kord

[cold dune]

subdivide 500 times

[humble geyser]

No :(

[cold dune]

optimizashun

[humble geyser]

it will be decimated heavily

[cold dune]

five. hundred. subdivisions

and then post it to sketchfab'

[humble geyser]

Blender.exe has stopped responding

[cold dune]

so people will use it and put it in their shitty asset grab games

https://tenor.com/view/gem-alarm-gem-alert-chud-redditor-gem-gif-6415505554061588689

[serene surge]

have you seen the Blender file for procedural spring geometry nodes?

[humble geyser]

no, i'm just using a screw modifier and a nurbs path

[cold dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326679560795848845/1487845197860704316/200_15.gif

i love doing that

[humble geyser]

it's simple and doing anything more complicated, especially for what i'm doing, is just a bit unnecessary

[serene surge]

https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/329593/geometry-nodes-for-correct-spring-following-curve

[red ledge]

I'm having this camera issue, how do I fix it?

[serene surge]

are you from Netherlands?

[red ledge]

no, why

[serene surge]

then why are you so tall

[humble geyser]

log file? modpack? client or host?

[red ledge]

happens as a host, now I think about it I have BetterVehicleControns and CruiserImproved installed and one of those mods affect the camera while seated inside a cruiser, I will try to disable those 2 mods first

[humble geyser]

won't be either of those

could you provide your modpack, for starts?

[red ledge]

019dcbbe-ec6c-8112-855c-a360307c64ea
custom assembled, not based on any existing modpack

[humble geyser]

alr, ty :) i'll have a look

[red ledge]

thanks

[humble geyser]

could be LethalHands, but i'll test myself

ah, Wesleys, this may take a hot minute to download

[red ledge]

sorry D:

[humble geyser]

lol no worries

[humble geyser]

oh, i see the culprit already

BetterEmotes

this mod breaks literally anything that uses custom animators/animations

[red ledge]

Oh alright

Tomorrow ill try again without this mod then, thanks for help!

[humble geyser]

tested without it, and it works

[humble geyser]

aside from texturing this is done.. i'm really not going to make it anything fancy

the actual 'microphone' will just have a basic grilled texture on it and probably nothing else

[rain dragon]

Been away this weekend from the most part. What's all this?

[humble geyser]

CB Radio

[rain dragon]

[humble geyser]

kinda like a walkie talkie

[rain dragon]

Visual or actual in game use?

[humble geyser]

ingame use

due to limitations with the walkie code i think you will only be able to listen to people by actively holding E on it

and you will be able to talk through it by holding E on it

[grave flume]

it looks so awesome wtf this rocks

[rain dragon]

Might have to get rid of lethalphones on my modpack then

[humble geyser]

lethalphones works fine iirc

lethalphones manipulates the hands in LateUpdate, doesn't mess with animations iirc

99% sure i tested this before

[rain dragon]

Yeah but this is cooler

It does work

I just like the walkie talkie a lot as well

Hmm

[humble geyser]

oooooooh you mean in that sense

well lethalphones on its own seems pretty cool

so it's "up to you"

[rain dragon]

yeah

It been awhile since i used walkie

but doesnt it play audio out loud when holstered?

With reservedcore modpack?

[humble geyser]

phones?

or walkies?

[rain dragon]

Walkie

Phones work great

[humble geyser]

it makes player voices 2d

which means they can be heard 'across the map'

its a bit hackery

[rain dragon]

hmm

[humble geyser]

so this will be limited in terms of what it can do

you'll have to hold interact on it to hear players through the radio

which is fine ig, not that big of a hassle

[rain dragon]

honestl doesnt have to be perfect.

[humble geyser]

i'll do what i can given the limitations

[rain dragon]

What if...

that works with lethalphones

[humble geyser]

a CB radio seems more fitting since its a big van/truck

in car phones were more on higher end luxury cars

plus the CB gives it vanilla functionality

as opposed to having to install another mod for it to work

[rain dragon]

[humble geyser]

oh, yah, i need to look into the scan and scanvan terminal conflict

if needbe, termconflictfix may become a soft dep (as mods like darmuh have a conflict resolution config iirc)

[humble geyser]

blegh

slowly getting there

[willow charm]

polycount 500

[humble geyser]

i decimated the coiled wire

like heavily

it's not meant to be fancy

also i misread that at first mb

[willow charm]

seems like its kinda heavy still

[humble geyser]

it isn't

[willow charm]

how much is it?

[humble geyser]

nvm it's 3k 😭 woops

time for more crunching

[willow charm]

dawg decimate aint it man what 😭

[humble geyser]

i'm not exactly sure the best way to go about making a coiled wire

i don't know how well a texture would work

[willow charm]

if you want a detailed texture it needs to be unwrapped

[humble geyser]

it doesn't need to be detailed

[willow charm]

but since thats a solid color its fine

[humble geyser]

it's kind of annoying because literally any CB radio has a coiled wire

[grave flume]

i feel like a texture would be fine, it's going to get pretty compressed ingame anyway right?

[humble geyser]

yes

[willow charm]

Ive found this works pretty well, though Ive yet to find a way to do it without having to manually adjust the length

[humble geyser]

1k is still a bit heavy no?

[willow charm]

well yes, but compared to 5k?

[humble geyser]

it was 3k but yeah

ig

[willow charm]

this is kinda as good as it gets

next step is a billboard texture or LOD

[humble geyser]

i guess i could reduce the amount of iterations as well to try get the number down

[willow charm]

This is the next step

[humble geyser]

if all else fails i'll just slap together a texture with a basic shape

[humble geyser]

LOD?

[willow charm]

yeah

[humble geyser]

well it was going to be on the trucks LOD0 anyways

it only needs to be visible up close

[willow charm]

from far away it doesnt matter

[humble geyser]

it can just be completely culled from a mild distance

it only needs to be seen up close

[willow charm]

or that

[humble geyser]

even then it doesn't have to be detailed

[humble geyser]

i think i did something horribly wrong

this is 800 polygons

i think i'm just going to go with this

[grave flume]

yaayyy

[willow charm]

THATS ONE THICK BOY

uhh, downscale the triangle in edit mode

[humble geyser]

well now i have to redo it because blender wont let me undo that far

sigh

[glacial geode]

[humble geyser]

i did try downscaling it on various axis but it just ended up looking stupidly thin

[willow charm]

all axis lol

[humble geyser]

i did

it didn't make much of a difference on all axis

[humble geyser]

like this?

this is about 700ish tri

[humble geyser]

i'm getting the worst results imaginable

[humble geyser]

i'm not sure if i can do any better than this i won't lie

[glacial geode]

Hey Scandal

[humble geyser]

hel lo thistle

[willow charm]

I... Guess that works? idk why youre having so much trouble wit this

[glacial geode]

I'm not very good at modeling but maybe if you make the swirlie things flat instead of modeled 3d?

[willow charm]

then it will look mediocre at best

[glacial geode]

Oh

Yeah

[humble geyser]

jacu i've tried everything under the sun to try to get it to look better without making it 400000 million polygons

[glacial geode]

That's true haha I'm just taking examples from older 2000s games

I know old games do things like that to get the polygon count down

[willow charm]

the setup from the video above is literally the lowest it will go

[humble geyser]

i have tried following that

i can reduce the Screw and get this, but this is worse for poly count

nvm its 648 tris

[willow charm]

genius

[glacial geode]

That seems like an improvement?

That's better than 800

[willow charm]

while youre at it, increase the res preview of the bezier

[humble geyser]

i'm usin a nurbs

[willow charm]

I mean, nurbs is just a different curve type, same settings

[humble geyser]

oh right i didnt see that

[willow charm]

you uhh, might want to use bezier in the future for wires

[humble geyser]

increasing it didn't do much

[willow charm]

its more controllable from my experience

it should just smooth out the curve so you cant tell where the points are

[humble geyser]

blegh

[glacial geode]

[willow charm]

umm, surprised I can still see a few of them but its better

[humble geyser]

im going to be blunt, this is lethal company, i dont think anyones going to care if they can slightly see the curve

[glacial geode]

^^

I was just thinking that

[humble geyser]

i can smoothen it out a bit more but

i dont think it matters too much

and id rather not get too hung up on it

ya'feel

[glacial geode]

I don't think it looks too bad now

I'm happy with that

[willow charm]

yeah, but knowing the "better" ways is still good so you can push your own abilities

[humble geyser]

i s'pose

the closest you're probably ever going to see it is about here anyways

[willow charm]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-hmm-thinking-smile-gif-12571277

[glacial geode]

What are you working on anyways?

[humble geyser]

it's a CB radio

[glacial geode]

I didn't read everything I only jumped in when I saw you modeling the radio thing

Ohh

[glacial geode]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-sorprendido-shaquille-oneal-gif-23222312

[humble geyser]

it is not 3k now do not fret

[glacial geode]

No I know I saw the progress 😭

I just went back to actually read what was going on

[willow charm]

lethal playermodel is almost 9k

[glacial geode]

That's crazy it was 3k before holy fuck

[willow charm]

and its decimated

[serene surge]

make a tube, and bake a texture of lighter/dark spring spiral

[serene surge]

make it look like this one

super low poly count, high performance

[humble geyser]

baking is still something I need to learn ☹️

[fallow perch]

hey scandal, how about a chance for the Scanvan to spawn as an automatic

Muahahah

[glacial geode]

Manual Cruiser

💔

[fallow perch]

Manual v55 cruiser on the other hand

❤️

[glacial geode]

Fuck no

[fallow perch]

LOL

[glacial geode]

Me and Scandal were using the v55 Cruiser the other night and it blew up to a fucking Tulip Snake

I'm not even joking

It like hopped into the Cruiser and it exploded ☠️

[rugged copper]

Peak

How is this a tulip snake, but it's not a snake, it's even flying tho

That's not a snake
That's a fraud

[glacial geode]

Mini dragon

[flint prawn]

Manul cruiser

[glacial geode]

Their scientific name is "Draco Tulipa"

They are small flower dragons such as myself

[fallow perch]

LMAOAOAO

I love the v55 cruiser

So great

[humble geyser]

I had vague thoughts about making the jcjenson one an automatic but ehhhh

[fallow perch]

I understand lol

[serene surge]

50 brainrot youtube tutorials later:

delete default cube

[humble geyser]

delete default cube, add, mesh, cube

[humble geyser]

I have had thoughts about this but it would be done so hackily as I wouldn't want to really change the cars acceleration or anything

[rain dragon]

Black scanvan with light blue dashboard lights when

[humble geyser]

nuh

i chose green and yellow for specific reasons x3

[fallow perch]

Red Scanvan with Green and Yellow Light Dashboard when

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[humble geyser]

...you know what i meant

yellow for the JcJenson variant only

green for the normal one

[fallow perch]

Yeah I'm joking lmao

Bad joke my bad

[rain dragon]

Computa

Crush this guy head for a bad joke

On a real note. What other colors were popular at the time?

[humble geyser]

what time period are you talking?

variety in car colour has shifted quite drastically

[rain dragon]

80s I guess to narrow it down

I know green and Red were common

[humble geyser]

lol the 80s was alot more colourful than today in terms of car colors

you had all sorts, bright yellows, oranges, greens, blues, champagnes, etc

[rain dragon]

And just to make sure we're talking about the same thing. The interior lighting right? Radio, windows lights, etc

Also orange 🧡

[humble geyser]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooh no i thought you meant car colors

like, the paint

to some extent it depended on brand

mercedes had orange lighting from memory in the 80s

though i could be misremembering

i know some later 2000s bmws had orange lighting

anyways the reason the JcJenson one has yellow is because drones.................................... that's about it

the normal one just has green because i like green dash lighting and it fit well

[rain dragon]

I think the red with green makes sense to me

[humble geyser]

where are you seeing red in the van? lol

[rain dragon]

I'm saying red paint job, green interior lighting

[humble geyser]

ooooooooooh

[rain dragon]

Sorry I'm working and I'm not really supposed to be on my phone RN

So I'm half ass texting RN

[humble geyser]

honestly i've had thoughts about changing the default paint to something else but

red just

works really well

my car is a dingier more faded red than the CC but it's still red

[rain dragon]

TBH that would be a cool variant to get on Scanvan

Just sun damage on different parts

[humble geyser]

little does he know every scanvan is rattle canned before being sent out

the dodgy way ™

while my general idea is that the van has had a really really hard life and been completely neglected and maintenance has been seen as an 'optional' thing to do, i don't really want to mess up the paint that bad, it's already not like, showroom condition

it's quite gritty and rough

[humble geyser]

the voice alert kind of plays into this

like when it tells you the washer fluid is low and can randomly tell you to check the disc brake pads upon startup

they're more minor but it plays into that whole theme

[grave flume]

awww:(

thats so sad

[humble geyser]

the van is canonically 104 years old by the time of lethal company

the company hauler is uh

525 years old

[humble geyser]

although i like to imagine the van dates back a-lot longer than 2428

and the JcJenson Motor Corp have just been pumping out the same thing for decades

[grave flume]

wow

[humble geyser]

i might add some more stuff to play into this theme

like a faint break squeal under heavy braking

i kinda already wanted to do this anyway but forgor

[humble geyser]

coiled

yoiled

i'll probably fancy it up later and add text or whatever to it

just so it doesn't look

so bland

[grave flume]

yay!!!

i like ittt

[glacial geode]

[cold dune]

[humble geyser]

i don't even know if this will let you hear people through it by holding E on it

guess it's just a matter of time

[serene surge]

not to be a party pooper, but that will take up roughly two stylyzed pixels on screen

[humble geyser]

thats fine because its already extremely low poly

its not at all detailed and looks terrible super up close

[serene surge]

I hope it disappears in LOD more than 5 meters away from it

amazing piece of geometry tho

[humble geyser]

it'll just be on LOD0 of the car and disappear by LOD1

its a terrible looking piece of geometry but its doing its job and i'm not really feeling like spending anymore time on it

[serene surge]

more coils

[glacial geode]

five trillion polygon hookah

[humble geyser]

i'm not sure how big to make this side compartment

i don't want it obscenely large, of course

i'm not even sure how useful this compartment will be but i'll add it anyways ig

[humble geyser]

well it can store 3 belt bags quite comfortably

i don't know if anyone will ever find themselves using this

[rain dragon]

Maybe the scanvan can come with a flashlight?

[humble geyser]

worlds most useless utility compartment coming soon, probably, maybe

[grave flume]

im going to put all my awesome things there

[glacial geode]

I'm going to use it every time so that you don't feel like it was wasted <3

[north pine]

Im gonna fill it with cheese

[flint prawn]

I'm going to smuggle arms in there

[cold dune]

like, literal rotten arms!

from dine!

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-big-leagues-are-calling-bao-bct3uaYV2njwJxW59g

[halcyon owl]

If it saves items then it'd be super useful, you could make a mini medbay if you had the UsualScrap mod or just have it for shovel storage or other useful items. (By save I mean like you can place stuff in and even if you go into orbit, the items stay, or save like a cabinet.)

[humble geyser]

well yeah, the idea is that items in it would save of course

well, upon reload they'll probably just become detached, and i don't even want to delve into trying to make items stay attached to 'shelves'

[fallow perch]

Oh frick yes dude

I love it

[halcyon owl]

Understandable, I'm honestly not even sure how that'd work, cause for one, I don't know how to code much, and two, I am unsure if the code for the shelves is just a furniture based function or if it can even be tagged in a way to store stuff between save and load

[fallow perch]

Probably never gonna use it but it so cool

[humble geyser]

it'll just use a shelf component like in the back of the car

[halcyon owl]

I legit would actually use it a lot, UsualScraps has a defib, and since I am the only one who knows how to drive it in my group, it'd be helpful to have it on standby if I "ACCIDENTALLY" blew up a landmine

[halcyon owl]

Oh, right

[humble geyser]

i guess it could be handy for the driver to hop out and grab something quickly

since it's on the left side of the car

[humble geyser]

needs.. minor tweaking, but it's there

i also need to make items save in here (and while i'm at it i'll do the same for roofrack items)

[fallow perch]

YES!!!

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-pinkman-hell-yeah-jesse-pinkman-hey-come-high-baby-gif-1058193894511976418

[fallow perch]

they didnt save?? 😭

wow

[humble geyser]

i just haven't gotten round to doing it yet

it came about when i made items in the back safe only

just been a bit lazy about the roofrack rn

[fallow perch]

Nah it's fine

[subtle flame]

by not saving, you mean like how they get lost when you return to space?

I thought that was by design tbh

[humble geyser]

yes

[humble geyser]

no

i've been meaning to exclude roofrack items but i've just been a bit lazy

[subtle flame]

I thought it was pretty funny that the items I tossed onto the roof of my car got lost in transit as I traveled through space

[humble geyser]

i like the roofrack as a bit of a gimmick but i don't really want items to be lost on it

it seems a bit unintuitive even if it "makes sense"

items on the roof of the storage compartment are lost and i'm fine with that

[subtle flame]

I actually thought it was hinted at in the manual as well

[humble geyser]

kind of

it says all items must be placed in the back

to prevent injury or loss of equipment

[subtle flame]

yeah that's why I thought it was intentional

it does make the roof rack kinda useless or at least dangerous to use though

[humble geyser]

the roofrack no the storage roof yes

the one thing i liked doing was putting the Tuba from terras scrap on the roof rack

it looked funny

with the changes zeeks made to AI, baboons no longer break when they see scrap on the top of the car now as well, so i'm happier to make the change of them saving

[humble geyser]

items on the roofrack or in the utility compartment now save

i also switched to using a HashSet for item collection

should be better for perf

i have just remembered that the hq_fixes mod would probably let you void this safety system i've added and completely negate the no item safety on the v55 car

hmmmmmmmm

i'm not sure how to go about that tbh

maybe i could return false on items Update method that are about to be deleted

just as you enter orbit

but if anyone ever brought back the popup then it's going to a bit weird

might have to patch SetItemInElevator

[glacial geode]

If anyone puts stuff up there you are getting left behind

[humble geyser]

the roofrack will be safe in 1.3.1

items on the storage roof will be lost

the utility compartment is now also safe

and items in the back will only require the back door shut

[glacial geode]

Oh, you're adding the ability to save items to the ship when magneted?

[humble geyser]

1.3.1 probably won't introduce the CB radio for anyone curious

[glacial geode]

Like the modern Cruiser?

[humble geyser]

i've just made it so items on the roofrack won't be lost when entering orbit

[glacial geode]

Oh

[humble geyser]

which also means items in the utility compartment won't be lost either which i had to do anyways

i'm still unsure about how much the utility compartment will be used but i hope it wasn't a genuine waste of time

[glacial geode]

I'll use it

[humble geyser]

i'll also be fixing some RPC spam on the tyre skidding effects :p

just caught this

[humble geyser]

sidenote i would ALSO like to "fix" baboons not seeing players in the front seat of cars

mainly for the v55 car

it's kind of overlooked but its the same issue as radmechs

[humble geyser]

also in 1.3.1, for now, windshield state will not be saved upon reload

i will be implementing my half regen state thing for the window though

so during a round, if you lose the windshield on that van, it can only ever regen up to a certain state (i.e. cracked)

if its just cracked initially then it can regen up to a fully clear state

so breaking the window will mean "the window can never regenerate more than a cracked state"

only ever cracking it will ensure that the window can regenerate to a fully clear state

[willow charm]

That's a little annoying for visibility tbh

[humble geyser]

a windshield is better than none

but alright, i guess i can make going into orbit completely regenerate it regardless of state :/

[willow charm]

I mean, make it a config I guess

[humble geyser]

it's not really something worth making a config over imo

[willow charm]

On vanilla cruiser it doesn't matter, but since the windshield affords protection here + it being cracked hampers visibility, it's just kinda two punishments in one to have it unable to regen to fixed

[humble geyser]

turning off the cabin light can negate the visibility thing :p and even just having a shattered one still protects you

[willow charm]

To an extent I guess

[humble geyser]

and if it was broken completely, regenerating to a shattered state was still better than nothing

[willow charm]

Wait how would going to company work? Lol

Doesn't that count as an orbit sequence?

[humble geyser]

wym

just being in orbit is counted as "in orbit"

say you take off from a moon, and enter orbit

that's orbit

[willow charm]

So if you land at company and leave it counts as an orbit

[humble geyser]

yes, as soon as you go into orbit, that counts as in orbit

company wouldn't work any differently

when the sounds mute themselves thats "in orbit" for example

on the car

[willow charm]

Well, if it doesn't regen all the way no

[humble geyser]

what

?????

the idea was:

if you lost the windshield completely, subsequent trips into orbit would only regenerate it to a "cracked" state and never anything more, losing it again would mean going into orbit just regens to a cracked state, etc
if you just shattered the windshield only, a trip into orbit would regen it fully

but now it's just going to be "it regenerates fully regardless of its current state" and reloading will no longer save a broken state

[willow charm]

Yeah I meant if it would regen twice all the way to fixed it would mean going to company is a free fix

[humble geyser]

ohh no, if you lost it completely youd lose the ability to regen it fully on that van

[willow charm]

Idk I'm micromanaging this mod too much ig

[humble geyser]

no no it's okay

[humble geyser]

i'm probably going to give a slight buff to the vans durability in terms of when bumping into enemies

i'm thinking small enemies = no damage and reducing the max damage enemies can deal to the car from 2 --> 1

oh wait enemies already only do 1 damage

just the small enemy change then

[rough garnet]

whats a cb radio haha

is that the thing trucks have that lets them talk to eachother?

[humble geyser]

citizens band radio but basically yus

[rough garnet]

cool

is it js gonna be a walkie in the SV?

[humble geyser]

kinda

[rough garnet]

wicked

[humble geyser]

Scanvan - 1.3.1

• Added a 1 second cooldown to the ignition trigger after starting the car.
• Fixed a NullRef spam on the player-zones.
• Added a side-compartment.
• Fixed items on the roofrack not saving.
• The windshield can now regenerate in orbit.
• Fixed skidding effect RPC spam.
• TerminalConflictFix is now a soft dependancy, but not required. This should prevent the 'scan' command and typing 'scanvan' causing issues in the terminal.
• Updated README.

V55 - 1.1.7

• Fixed a NullRef spam on the player-zones.
• Fixed skidding effect RPC spam.

some stuff i forgot to mention in the changelog - items being counted as collected on the magnet now uses a HashSet instead of an OverlapSphere

should in theory be better for perf especially with loads of items

and i removed some logs and changed some log levels

no CB radio for 1.3.1, that still needs some work :)

any new issues, as always, lmk

[humble geyser]

I'm considering going MIA for a bit from working on my mods for Lethal Company, as I have a bunch of projects for another game that I have been meaning to work on for over 5 months now (I kept holding off due to the scope of the dam thing, but not working on it isn't going to make it go anywhere). I'll still be here if you all want to drop in feedback, or if there's something seriously game-breaking that I need to fix :)

[arctic iris]

If you do end up doing that, good luck!

[humble geyser]

Deep down I've been wanting to work on this for so long, but the game it is for has undergone like a bajillion changes under the hood, and I don't know how much is going to need rewriting

[fallow perch]

Go ahead dude!! You got this

[grave flume]

i hope those projects treat you well! you've been doing a lot of great work for your lethal stuff :-)

[humble geyser]

(just bringing this convo from Lunas thread before i flood it)
well, this depends on where you live i guess

and i won't argue against that

because car dependency is just bad all around for everyone

even for people who like cars

because all the people who don't want to drive are end up being made to drive

and well, i'm sure you can see what issues that would bring about

[fast flower]

id like cars if they were an optional part of life in many places haha

fuck id even be ok driving more if people who really should not be driving werent driving bc they had too

ofc there are bad drivers who like cars, alot but also many that just do it bc they have placed ot be

[slim quail]

USA practices what i like to call "negative freedom" when it comes to cars

basically theres 2 types of freedom,

[fast flower]

its because car companies have too much power to stagnate public transportation efforts

[slim quail]

positive freedom means giving options of what you want to use, and making it available

negative freedom is forcing people into one option but that one option can do basically anything

because USA's infrastructure is so car-dependant we're experiencing negative freedom

luckily american citizens are starting to realize after all this time that alternatives like rail arent so bad as theyve been told

so we may be on the road toward converting to positive freedom

[fast flower]

doubt it

not for a while

at least

[slim quail]

i agree with you, and without getting too political, my beliefs are they shouldnt be allowed to influence this kind of thing

[slim quail]

it will take a long time, but change doesnt happen quickly. the big part is convincing people that modes of transit other than cars are worth their time

[fast flower]

ive just lost my faith in the average person to care enough

[slim quail]

most americans don't agree with rail because of the whole "america is so big, how do they plan to connect all of it?"

and yes, america is too big to connect it all by rail

which is why rail projects need to be localized

[fast flower]

@humble geyser train when 😝

[humble geyser]

semitruck with a 16 speed manual

then no one can complain that my scanvan is too hard to drive 😛

[slim quail]

starting out by establishing them in high-traffic areas will give people more reason to use them, and eventually reduce strain on car infrastructure

[fast flower]

I still will 🤡

[slim quail]

i'll cite the electrification effort Caltrain is going through

[humble geyser]

#1348033280896929926 message

[fast flower]

https://giphy.com/gifs/sandiegozoo-cat-hiss-black-footed-A0lTlnxCyVogONSvum

[slim quail]

their ridership is up a lot higher than it was a few years ago, so there is the demand for reliable rail infrastructure

[humble geyser]

very useful if you have no clue what you're doing, i can confirm after watching it 😉

[fast flower]

imma realearn the jetpack instead

I havent used it in ages

I used to be really good

[humble geyser]

i mean, fair enough..? i guess?

[fast flower]

im just being sligthly an ass

as a joke

XD

[cold dune]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-tole-tole-gif-11000765422344341626

[fast flower]

A wild Periwinkleanie appears

I was trying to find the gif of a battle starting

on discord

that was a mistake

(not even bad but who uploaded that XP)

[glacial geode]

Periwinkle

[rain dragon]

@humble geyser Give it back wtf

( can't grab items back from the side compartment)

[humble geyser]

Try crouching

I don't think there's much I can do about this, for the record

[glacial geode]

Scamvan

[nimble berry]

im willing to admit that im at fault here but the scanvan wont drive for me no matter what i do
the very conspicuous shifter on the dash doesnt have an interact prompt for me and it really seems like it should

[slim quail]

use the scroll wheel

for shifting

[nimble berry]

ah thank you

[humble geyser]

manual shifting with interact prompts would be hell (reverse-neutral-first-second-third-fourth), apologies i don't mention it but it is keybinded

you can change the default binds if they don't suit ya as well

you also need to use the clutch when changing gear

[static horizon]

this probably how finally learning to use the scanvan feels

[neat kiln]

Why is TerminalConflictFix meant to be a hard dependency for scanvan?

[north pine]

without it:
scanvan = first 3 letters -> scan command
with it:
scanvan = buy scanvan!!!

[humble geyser]

it isn't but it conflicts with the scan command

I did mention in the changelog it is not a hard dep

if you have another mod that you use instead with conflict resolution then you can use that instead

[serene surge]

yo, on the latest update I'm unable to take a seat in either of the front seats of the Scanvan

[humble geyser]

huh?

[humble geyser]

logs? modpack? client or host? reproduction steps?

I haven't really changed anything regarding the seats nor have I had issues with them

i can sit just fine

i tried every seat as client and host and i don't have issues sitting in either of them

[serene surge]

reverted to 1.2.9, where it still works fine

019de4a0-40c5-f4b5-02a2-7bfcec6def23

LAN, single player

was showing the Scanvan to a friend. took about 15 mins to figure out the ignition

the moment of REALIZATION is never gonna be not funny

[humble geyser]

oki, i'll take a look =)

so it just refuses to let you sit down at all?

from a freshly spawned van?

[humble geyser]

just testing the latest ver, it seems to work okay for me on this pack in LAN singleplayer

unrelated sidenote, since you have LLL and lcbettersaves, you'll also need lcbettersavesfix

anyways, i can't seem to replicate this bug on the latest ver

tested all seats as host

tried multiple times

[humble geyser]

okay, so i have reproduced this, upon reload with a magnetised van i cannot sit in the van, and it's on the wrong side of the magnet

does this sound about right?

i'm leaning on the side of this being a mod incompat, as i have reloaded plenty of times with a van and not had this issue

but i will take a look regardless =)

okay, looks like this is a genuine issue

i will address this as soon as possible

i wasn't setting hasBeenSpawned = true

🤦

[humble geyser]

should now be fixed in 1.3.2, however long that takes to come through

@slender oxide heyo! sorry for the random ping, but i noticed one of your modpacks has my van it, but i also noticed you have MultiCruiser, just thought i'd let you know a few things:

• Lethal Companies systems is not supportive of multiple cruisers, plus you have mods that cache VehicleController, all of this means various functionality will only work for one vehicle

• My ScanVan is similar, for various performance reasons I cache my own van (to avoid having to do expensive searches) plus the fact that the base game makes many assumptions that there will only be 1 VehicleController at a time, spawning multiple is going to cause many issues. (my van inherits VehicleController as well, plenty of its functionality will only work for one van)

hope this helps =)

anyways, on another note, the v55 cruiser has received the same 'seat interaction' fix ^^

[slender oxide]

Oh yeah I think I forgot to ditch multicruiser. Had it before I included Scanvan.

Thanks for the heads up! I'll be removing multicruiser when I get home.

[humble geyser]

Np 👌

[fallow perch]

https://tenor.com/view/hiyori-aguhiyori-slappy-high-five-seal-gif-7349747564193123393

high five

[humble geyser]

i release a cruisertunes mod and forgor to change the short description

🤦

anyways, here's every cassette song from the game "RV there yet" for the Mabutts Valley level, in the form of a CruiserTunes mod :3

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Scandal/Cruiser_There_Yet/ _ _

i will probably add the Mt Yurbuttsk songs at a later date :3

[fallow perch]

Nice!!!

[humble geyser]

use of scanvan is recommended =)

'cause y'know, manual gearbox and all (and you can control the radio volume like in RV)

very fitting, hehe

[pseudo monolith]

ScanV pronounced Scan V

RV scanvan

[humble geyser]

i've added "BABAYAN" from the Mt Yurbuttsk level now =)

quite honestly a contender for one of my favourite songs in the game

the quality is a little.. questionable.. but i couldn't find it anywhere else

might see if i can record it myself later

[serene surge]

thanks, I didn't know that

[serene surge]

there were simply no interact trigger prompts at all

[serene surge]

YES, the magnet was on, and the van was on the other side. I remember I though to myself "hmm, isn't that something that CruiserImproved was supposed to fix? I guess it doesn't work with custom vehicles"

[humble geyser]

yup, this is fixed in 1.3.2 haha, i did originally fix it for my own vehicle but goofed something up in 1.3.1

[neat kiln]

Could you add configurable price for Scanvan?

[humble geyser]

not really feasible since the price is hardcoded by LLL

i think 440 is a fair price for the car personally, but if you think otherwise then I guess I might be open to feedback

[glacial geode]

1 credit

[neat kiln]

I changed Cruiser price with ButteRyBalance and wanted to also change Scanvan price but that's sadly not possible

[humble geyser]

it's probably not something I can easily do on my end, sorry

[serene surge]

gotta cash out the whole price

[humble geyser]

i've extracted the raw .uasset files from the game, and it appears there might actually be more tracks on the Snow level, hoping i can extract them (plus these will be in their original quality rather than just recorded ingame)

kinda excited, hope this goes to plan

[humble geyser]

doesn't look like it's really possible with UE5 =(

sucks

[humble geyser]

i figured it out =)

babayan ripped straight from the files =3

[glacial geode]

Yayy <3

[humble geyser]

i guess all the final versions have some filter applied

the snow map has some bangers

[glacial geode]

This is that song you were having trouble getting from RV There Yet, right?

[humble geyser]

yus

but there's actually more in the files as it turns out

specific to the snowmap

[glacial geode]

That's good you found it

Oh

[glacial geode]

[humble geyser]

it's just that Babayan was the only one i found uploaded online, but it was recorded ingame

[glacial geode]

Is Casette_ChristmasTime.ogg that one Charlie Brown song

https://youtu.be/4PzetPqepXA?si=KnEVvxqAsG44nmBH

[glacial geode]

Oh

[humble geyser]

certified bangers are now added in 1.0.3, along with this every audio has been updated to use the raw rip rather than recorded directly ingame =3

all the raw rips had some sort of filter applied, so i haven't had to make any changes to them

they're all consistent now x3

[glacial geode]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-rat-attack-have-at-thee-gif-11648161592664583090

[thorny sapphire]

Hey wait

HEY WAIT A SECOND

HELL YEAH

[glacial geode]

Yeah!!

[thorny sapphire]

Now make a helicopter

(/j, for now)

[glacial geode]

WAIT an air vehicle would be SOO COOL IN LC

Something like the gyrocopter from 7 days to die

[thorny sapphire]

Me when im flying around on…. Its been that long i forgot the old bird moon’s name

[glacial geode]

5-Embrion

[thorny sapphire]

Thank

Me when im flying around on embrion and somebody pulls the apparatus:

[glacial geode]

[thorny sapphire]

Ok but could you imagine how genuinely hilarious that would be, your crewmate walks outside seeing you dodging a thousand missiles (or more likely, a broken helicopter on the ground)

And they like: oh….

Also if liquidation ever becomes FOUND MEDIA then we could have boats, or even submarines maybe

[humble geyser]

a helicopter doesn't really make much sense for the vanilla moons tbh

all the maps are made with walkability in mind (but some can be cruisered), a helicopter would be too much of a liability (because its lethal company, yah? your equipment is usually shit), and then you'd fly for a total of like 3 seconds before reaching main.. taylor swift i guess..

the truck atleast makes "a bit more sense" and isn't as hilariously inefficient as a helicopter would be

[humble geyser]

i have identified a bug with reloading with the ignition on..

[arctic ocean]

wanted to report a couple bugs from our session

1. the audio occlusion (from the cabin?) impacts voices over the walkie talkie

• unless you have direct line-of-sight to the person communicating with you over the walkie talkie, their voice will be muffled and difficult to understand over the radio.
• the way that zeekerss made the walkies work is really strange lol. when someone is speaking over the walkie talkie, if you have a walkie talkie enabled in your inventory, it takes their actual player voice, makes it globally audible, and applies radio effects over top of it. (this is why if someone starts speaking into a walkie talkie right in front of you, you can no longer hear their voice except through your radio. this is also why you can't hear voices being transmitted from nearby radios, because it only applies these changes if you have your own powered radio)
• i assume you can just patch your logic to forcefully unmuffle a player's voice when PlayerControllerB.speakingToWalkieTalkie is True for the speaking player and GameNetworkManager.Instance.localPlayerController.holdingWalkieTalkie is True (i think this would cover all cases?)

[humble geyser]

seems simple enough to me

https://github.com/ScandalTheVandal/Scanvan/blob/master/CruiserXL/Behaviour/TruckSoundManager.cs this is what i'm doing

[arctic ocean]

2. the audio occlusion is applied overactively as a spectator

• I noticed while I was dead and spectating people in the cabin/back storage that their voices were muffled, even though I was directly spectating them.
• probably should always forcefully unmuffle the directly spectated player (should be reachable through GameNetworkManager.Instance.localPlayerController.spectatedPlayerScript, though this might sometimes be null)
• but i think it will also require a little extra logic to do line-of-sight checks from the player you are spectating, because when alex and cookie were together in the back both of them were muffled for me even though i could see both clearly

[humble geyser]

yus, i am aware of spectating and it's something i was actually thinking about last night

[arctic ocean]

the audio occlusion is super duper cool and i love it, i'd just be happy to see the edge cases fixed 😁

[humble geyser]

but it's not something i'm too bothered about atm (not a priority)

the walkie stuff i will look into fixing

as that's a genuine issue

[humble geyser]

i will look into this later, i gotta go now =(

[arctic ocean]

anyways i wanted to also take the opportunity to gush for a little while but i wanted to do it when we weren't distracted in voice chat

i think it is no exaggeration to say this is possibly the coolest lethal company mod i have ever played

experiencing v55 for the first time was awesome because having this sort of "mobile home base" in the form of the cruiser

with a fully functional gear shift

and all the little doodads like windshield wipers, a dashboard radio, the jail window, etc.

it was just such a breath of fresh air

and honestly i've come to take most of it for granted now that i've had 2 years to play around with the cruiser

but like, playing with the scanvan for the first time instantly transported me back into that state of mind

all the little doodads that you implemented "just because"

the step that you can use to reach the back storage of the cruiser easier

the rack on top of the cabin where you can keep items

the sun visors that are totally interactable despite serving 0 gameplay purpose

the attention to detail with the scanvan's physicality and how it interacts with the game state

[arctic ocean]

the fact you can roll the windows up/down and it muffles the voices of your friends

the closed cabin offering greater protection than the cruiser, but only when the windshield hasn't been broken

needing to put items into the back storage and lock it up, or they disappear in orbit

etc.

and there's so much else i can think of

the interactable parking brake with a lighted display on the dash

the ability to control the volume of the radio

the dashboard lights you can toggle on when it's dark outside

the little compartment with a shelf under the back storage

the passenger door on the back storage zone

there is so much love and care and attention crammed into every square inch of this vehicle

at times it hardly feels like i am interacting with an object in a video game

from a purely utilitarian standpoint i guess it is fairly redundant with the cruiser

the cruiser is cheaper, easier to maintain, and absolutely easier to control (which is funny considering most people rag on its controls)

but it offers so much less of an immersive roleplaying element

there was a time when i thought the cruiser was a fairly definitive "real world vehicle" in the world of lethal company

but it is obvious how much of an abstraction and simplification it actually is

after comparing it to the scanvan

i appreciate that there was a lot of effort in making the control scheme genuinely different and interesting

i think it is very difficult and unintuitive (but to be fair, the cruiser was too, for a good while)

and that will probably turn a lot of players off

since the cruiser serves the same gameplay purpose of "transport a lot of scrap at once really fast" and has a way lower skill floor

but at the same time if the scanvan was just a cruiser reskin then it's like... i think there'd be even less reason to use it at all

if zeekerss were to add more vehicles i assume he would do something like what you have done

instead of "2 cruisers", having a "manual cruiser" and an "auto cruiser" gives them both room to breathe and express their own appeals instead of one functionally obsoleting the other

(or like, i know there's some speculation that there might eventually be a "water vehicle" for liquidation v55 beta, and i think that'd control fundamentally much differently than the cruiser does)

im not sure i will ever be good at using the scanvan

i know i definitely am not right now

but i love everything else about it already and i definitely feel a pull to master it

so i can appreciate the whole package

anyways i understand that some things were scrapped for quality of life

and since vehicles are "just one part" of lethal company's entire scope as a game i do understand the need to simplify for the sake of it fitting in with the overall gameplay scheme

but honestly i'd love to see you just crank all the knobs to 11

you mentioned you made the back storage save items as long as you roll down the backdoor, but like.... if the point is the compartment needs to be a closed system unaffected by outer space, leaving the other door open should be considered unsafe too

i would fully support reverting that change

i recall you mentioning, at one point, that the car key would be an actual physical item that you could keep in your inventory and lose if you were irresponsible with it and i think that'd be really fun

lots of roleplay opportunities there

i.e. some of your friends keep the key in the ignition and activate the lovely driving companion that drives you crazy

maybe you decide to leave the car key in the back storage so you will be able to find it later, and then your crew buries it under a pile of scrap, and you get grilled about "losing the key" because someone else is trying to drive back and cant find it

i dont care if it gets immediately boiled down to a meta of "drop the key next to the driver side door and never take it anywhere else" because the possibility of interaction there is just inherently fun

and it can't be helped if not everybody chooses to interact with it

[arctic ocean]

i also recall you mentioning that at one point the scanvan would run off of a battery that you could run dry by leaving the headlights/cabin light on without running the engine

and i think it'd be fun to see that degree of mechanical intricacy

i do get that it's a bit of an undertaking to implement a way to fix the dead battery, and i totally understand how it'd "just suck" to lose all your scrap and have to buy a replacement car because you totally lose the ability to return it to your ship

but i'd totally support you experimenting with fleshing that out if you ever felt inclined

i know you also mentioned, a long while ago, there are some actual gameplay interactions with the AC unit and the different temperatures you can set

not sure if that ever panned out but it'd be super awesome

sorry for the massive wall of text

TL;DR: this mod is really cool, and i love it, even if im no good at it

legitimately a magical experience

[north pine]

Omg

[thorny sapphire]

Ok but what if we have a fan with 4 seats

Like a comically slow jetpack for the whole crew

[cold dune]

let just tape baloons to each other

[grave flume]

wrt this the thing you (scandal) mentioned about infection rate increasing with the heat on would be so incredibly cool

i hope i have said as much but i agree 1000% with everything buttery has said here

[golden meteor]

cookie hates and disagrees with everything buttery has ever said in buttery's life got it

could've been harsher i guess

[grave flume]

i would NEVER SAY THAT!!!!

im gonna cry now i would never ever say or feel that. ijn my whole life.

[golden meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/vivid-stasis-hajimeli-saturday-fnaf-stupid-fuck-gif-18331539634978397134

[grave flume]

BWAAHHH!!!!

[humble geyser]

holy woweee, dw about it!! sorry if i can't reply with a response similar in length but i'll go through some stuff you mentioned ♥️

[humble geyser]

from a purely utilitarian standpoint i guess it is fairly redundant with the cruiser

yup, this is something i honestly can't even deny, and it's something i got ragged on for quite a bit; for the most part, this mod has just been what i wanted to make, which is probably a bad approach to going about this.. i have some stuff noted down that "might help with this" but to what extent i don't know

i recall you mentioning, at one point, that the car key would be an actual physical item that you could keep in your inventory and lose if you were irresponsible with it and i think that'd be really fun

yus, this is kind of one of those things i "forgot about" but i still think this would be cool, i just need to make a "key id" save and figure out how to make the key in the players inventory disappear correctly and make the car give the key to the player properly without breaking shit (similar to the v4 apparatus that can be inserted into a "docking station")

i also recall you mentioning that at one point the scanvan would run off of a battery that you could run dry by leaving the headlights/cabin light on without running the engine

yeahh.. this is one of those things that i just didn't think would work out well in gameplay, i had all the code there that would "fix" the dead battery, but i never had a system in place at the time to "fix" a dead battery, i guess i wanted a reason to punish players for just leaving the headlights on for the most part (hence why i added the hazard lights if you want to have "some lights on" like on a snowy moon)

i know you also mentioned, a long while ago, there are some actual gameplay interactions with the AC unit and the different temperatures you can set

this was actually with the "LethalElements" weather mod that added Blizzard and Heatwave! until V80 broke them.. the Cadaver stuff is something i would still like to do however

[grave flume]

for the most part, this mod has just been what i wanted to make, which is probably a bad approach to going about this..
maybe take what i say with a grain of salt as someone not developing on nearly this scale but i totally disagree tbh, it's been really really awesome to see the sort of stuff you want to put in and it really shows with the love and detail that it has. if you don't want it to compete then that's fine! it'll find its audience with those who want the same things you want

[humble geyser]

1.3.3

• Fixed car ignition being un-interactable after reloading a lobby with the engine on.
• Fixed issues with talking into a walkie-talkie while the receiving user is in the truck. (or vise-versa)
• Fixed issues with spectating players and audio muffling.

(the last two I'm hoping I have fixed, I have tested them and they seemed to be working, if there's any issues I didn't catch regarding them please let me know, thank you!) =)

[cobalt crane]

I definitely agree with this. people who download the mod likely don't even use the cruiser all too often (apart from if they want to utilize the boost to cheese transportation) because the scanvan feels much more intuitive and fun to use imo

lethal company isn't about going meta for the average player

the extra protection it provides is also a big plus for me ngl

could lean into that perhaps?

even just with a config option for health

[humble geyser]

the car has 46 hp by default (16 more than the cruiser) but the durability is different to that of the Cruiser

i'm quite happy with where the car sits in terms of durability, especially with some of its shortcomings

i didn't want it overly fragile, due to the tradeoff of being more difficult to control n' such, i think having it a bit more "tanky" is okay in this instance

[cobalt crane]

yeah well I'd survived a dog attack for like a full 3 minutes in there

[humble geyser]

it was a hard thing to balance

the car does take damage from dogs

the vanilla car doesn't as of v70

[cobalt crane]

oh

well that's dumb...

[humble geyser]

tell me about it

lol

butterybalance brings this back for the vanilla car from memory

so does my v55 car

[cobalt crane]

I guess wheeled vehicles are kind of difficult to integrate into the game

with the current maps at least

I mean march was pretty viable until now

but yeah I like where the scanvan sits atm

I don't think it needs balancing to be meta or wtv like I said

[humble geyser]

i think one of the more 'major problems' i've been 'finding' is that most people would prefer more 'utility' out of a custom vehicle, otherwise "there is no real point in using it" because the cruiser kinda already does everything for them, and any extra challenge is just seen as "not worth dealing with". i don't neccessarilly disagree with them, but it's not a competition i want to really be competing in (of being better than the cruiser)

[cobalt crane]

although I'd appreciate a feature to be able to move within the front portion of the vehicle to get off the other door and wtv

yeah I don't know what you could do about that. I personally think it's in a decent place as is because the base cruiser is in an awkward place in vanilla either way

it's got fun features

may not be the most useful ig

I like the rt radio and all

what about messing with some sort of warranty

it's meant to be a more reliable vehicle than the cruiser right?

could perhaps have free replacements for x days after purchase idk if that's out of the scope of your vision

[humble geyser]

i don't know to what extent i want to mess around with the warranty system, i think the system zeekerss has in place is "okay" although it applying to every single vehicle is a bit weird (but at the same time i guess he didn't think there'd be more vehicles in the game)

[humble geyser]

i'm going to leave this up to the end users interpretation 🙂

[humble geyser]

the cruiser is in such an awkward place that it becomes really difficult if you want to "innovate" on the cruiser (a task which in its self is already pretty hard to do regardless, and neither really my goal, i'm not trying to actively compete against the cruiser)

and balancing changes (i.e. items only save in the back with the doors shut (or now on the roofrack and utility compartment)) are mostly seen as unappealing and "worse than the cruiser" because the cruiser just saves everything attached to it regardless

so for the most part, making it not do what vanilla currently does or vanilla but "better" is just seen in an inherently negative light

which really sucks, i'm not going to back down on stuff like that, as i think it's fair and it's not much of a hassle to close doors up (in the case of item safety)

but it's also just "one of those things" i'm not willing to make any form of config for (even though Buttery did for her butterybalance mod for example)

i already felt pretty shitty making old birds seeing you in the cab a host only config

that felt like crossing a line for me (the "intended experience" line)

i know it's not "inherently a good thing" to have old birds barrage you with missiles while driving a car, but it just feels so empty to not have old birds target people in cars, and it completely nulls them as any form of threat

i don't think the counterplay to robots should be "buy this car for like 400 dollars and you'll be a-okay and get off scott free"

like sure, i could just completely remove any changes that people perceive as "making it worse than vanilla" but then the car loses alot of its identity and anything that seperates it from just being "another cruiser"

[cobalt crane]

that's true

I wonder if it'd be possible to make tbe vehicle heavier to explosions specifically

[humble geyser]

well I can "basically do this" already

my method is a bit hacky though, in fact I even spoke to xu about making it so creators can modify stuff related to explosions for their vehicles

For DawnLib vehicles s

[humble geyser]

i may add the ability to shift without the clutch (at the expense of damaging the car)

alongside a crunching noise from the gears

;p

[fallow perch]

YES!!!

I love that idea!!

But maybe.. could you add some feedback for the clutch? Or is that still too hard

[finite quest]

Does cruiser tunes work with this mod?

[fallow perch]

I think it'd make for better understanding that the clutch isn't depressed all the way and you're damaging the car

[rain dragon]

If you do this it needs to be the LOUDEST gut wretching noises so I can stare at my friends with disbelief.

[humble geyser]

yes, but disable the dmca music in the config

[finite quest]

Scanvan will not start

OH okay got it

after a few attempts to try to move it and make it work-

This mod isn't for me