V.E. Scanvan Thread! (and any other of my vehicles)

[humble geyser]

scroingly 55

• fixed the car
• fixed wesleys weather leaking into the back
• nothing else of note

[glacial geode]

I love you og cruoser

[humble geyser]

oh right also immersivevisor compat

[regal bone]

What does the immobilizer light mean?

[humble geyser]

for the back compartment

[humble geyser]

there's an alarm that has a rare chance to trigger if an explosion happens near the truck

i.e. during lightning

[regal bone]

Ooo

[humble geyser]

the immobiliser light is just meant to illuminate for the whole duration of the alarm but i just never implemented the light until now

the ignition is disabled while the alarm blares

it can only blare if the engine isn't running, fyi

[regal bone]

Ah

[humble geyser]

the alarm also attracts dogs, of course

[regal bone]

Of course

[humble geyser]

since it's just a continuous series of loud honks

the alarm can also not trigger on the magnet

since that would be

mean

i'm not trying to make this vehicular overly unfair but i don't want it all 100% pros and no 'cons'/downsides

[regal bone]

I was test driving the scanvan on Dreg and had to try and start the van around a dog. I ended up having a horror movie moment where the dog tipped the van and slowly pushed me into the river to die lol

[humble geyser]

lmfao

pro tip

start it on the magnet

let it idle in neutral

and the dogs should wander away

as of 1.1.9 they're not attracted to an idling engine on the magnet

(as long as its not also knocking)

[regal bone]

Oh instead of turning it off when you get out?

[humble geyser]

i should mention this only applies on the magnet

[regal bone]

Oh

[humble geyser]

if the car is on the ground at idle or the engine is 'knocking' dogs will hear it

but on the magnet at an idle rpm dogs won't hear it

[regal bone]

I was on the ground away from ship.

[humble geyser]

makes sense

and ah

i see

yeah that

wouldn't work then

lol

[regal bone]

I heard Dreg was good for trucks and wanted to recon what I thought could be a second fire exit (it wasn't)

[humble geyser]

i heard buying a v55 cruiser on dreg is a death sentence trying to get it over the gap

[regal bone]

Yea the delivery ship is not convenient but at least I already had the van. Apparently for the actually good truck spot you need an extension ladder to easily open a gate from the other side. Unless you find the exit inside. Interesting moon though, I wish more had cool moving gates.

I think the scanvan does ultimately beat the cruiser in most ways. It's harder to use in an immersive way and honestly I think it gives you more control

[humble geyser]

some will agree or disagree with you, i'm a bit biased personally as the creator of it

i like it because it's what i wanted to make and it has a bunch of features that i like and enjoy, if that makes sense

i don't hate the overall theme of the cruiser i just hate the direction zeeks has taken it

i would say the scanvan does have a couple other things over the cruiser as well, aside from just being more fun to drive

overall there's a reason i didn't price it that high

at only 440 credits

[regal bone]

Yea I don't really like how v70 made it actively difficult to break, and I never wanted to fly a ground vehicle. That was just ridiculous.

[humble geyser]

you get pelted with rotten tomatoes for even insinuating that flying a car is ridiculous to most people nowadays

it has become just so normal to fly the cruiser for the most part

and i dislike that

nothing on the modern day cruiser fits into lethal companys design

[regal bone]

I think the boost should have been like a standard speed boost forwards if it was going to boost at all. Or maybe if the cruiser can't regen green bar on a moon, the orange bar could be a damage shield.

[humble geyser]

well the car could always heal on its own

but before v70 it was only up to a small hp if it was crit

and going into orbit has always healed it fully

i really like the raw danger that comes with trying to use something like the v55 cruiser

[humble geyser]

this reminds me, the scanvan doesn't heal in orbit

and it saves its health

i think its a fair balancing change for the reworked durability

and the ability to heal it with weed

[humble geyser]

it is literally like russian roulette whether you make it back or not in one piece

[regal bone]

Yea. I was just thinking there were many mechanics weedkiller could have been. Maybe if the green bar only healed in orbit the weedkiller could protect the truck

[humble geyser]

in modern day its like russian roulette but the gun has 0 bullets in it

[regal bone]

The weed boost makes me think "this is Lethal Company, not TF2. I am not learning how to rocket jump"

[zealous copper]

for some reason the ignition wont start?

I have turned the key so many times but nothing

also do cruiser music mods work for this?

[humble geyser]

hold shift down while starting

you need to use the clutch while starting

this is explained on the last page of the manual

[zealous copper]

your a hero

[humble geyser]

yes, but as explained in the README you need to disable the DMCA music config

[zealous copper]

mb

reading comprehension curse

[humble geyser]

no worries

[humble geyser]

you also need to use the clutch to prevent stalling and to change gears

:p

[humble geyser]

a couple of issues ive noticed during playtesting so far

ffs..

as expected

[subtle flame]

when I used a cruiser music mod and turned the DMCA setting off, all of the default music disappeared and I only had the custom music

is that intentional?

[humble geyser]

yes

the dmca music is on a seperate radio track array

it's to prevent having copyrighted music with the copyright free music

you can also enable the live radio, if you didn't know that, with the dmca setting off

[subtle flame]

I did notice that, though I didn't play around with it too much

[humble geyser]

going to try push 1.2.1 asap to fix a nullref spam

and some other minor things

1.2.1 hotfix

• fix nullref spam
• minor refactoring to the eva code to hopefully prevent unwanted 'infinite loops' and fixed the fuel level alert

there's some other minor problems i need to look into but they aren't as major

[slender oxide]

Just gave the new reverse keybind a spin, and it's perfect! Thank you again for the implementation.

[humble geyser]

np 👌

i personally find it more of a hassle but since it's not too far out of my comfort zone i'm fine with it being in the mod

[arctic iris]

Hell yeah

adding it back to my pack for my sessions instantly

[humble geyser]

the 1 and only person in the entire universe to use the v55 car

it will be getting some minor fixes at some point but for now its fully useable and 'stable enough'

nothing major, just trying to completely eradicate the ignition key animation desync

[humble geyser]

1.2.2 nits

• Slightly refactored ignition-key animation code to hopefully prevent desyncs.
• Fixed shifting into a gear that doesn't exist for clients.
• Fixed ignition hold prompt getting 'stuck'.

[cold dune]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-big-leagues-are-calling-bao-bct3uaYV2njwJxW59g

[glacial geode]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-ab-bp-bad-piggies-piggy-gif-11861127453777296603

answer

slide to answer

[humble geyser]

v55 car update... tomorrow.. maybe

will just be minor fixes that i also did on the scanvan

[glacial geode]

v54 car update when

[humble geyser]

uninstall the mod ✅

[glacial geode]

🥀

That option makes me incredibly sad

[north pine]

Y AR U PISS NEBULA

WHAT HAPEN!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-moo-cat-moo-gif-8734802779884778845

[glacial geode]

i release piss scrap mod

And soon I'll release moons!! Nobody can stop me

@north pine does the "Gameplay" role apply to someone who has made a scrap item mod? Or is that for people who make moons and interiors?

I'll remove this role if it doesn't apply to the mod I created

[north pine]

honestly i think it kinda depends on if you find it correct or not tbh hehehe

[cold dune]

youre green now

[glacial geode]

What

[north pine]

hes colorblind

dont mind him

[glacial geode]

Beanie what do you mea

Oh

It isnt quite yellow it is a little green

A little greenits

[north pine]

wait yeah

it does look more saturated

might be because of your nitro font hehe

[glacial geode]

Oh

[glacial geode]

Is it alright for me to be the green role now

[north pine]

its fine!!!

love your scrap btw :3

[glacial geode]

Thank you

[north pine]

eager to see what more will you add hehe

[glacial geode]

I don't have any ideas yet but as new ones come to my mind I'll write them down and try and model them

But I do plan to try making moons next.

[lean linden]

I actually am going to fix the way LethalMin Registers Vehicles in its next update (since it was having issues with Scan and other custom vehicles) but thank you so much for adding compat for it :D

[fervent timber]

Yoooo Welcome Back

[humble geyser]

lol np 👌 it's just because I reordered my hierarchy and shit so i just had to reassign some stuff

[humble geyser]

1.2.3 of sblamvan soon (just a hotfix to hopefully fix a radio desync issue)

1.1.5 of the v55 cruiser will be underway afterwards (ignition hotfix stuff)

oh, right, the volume button is desynced

going to fix that pronto

[static horizon]

scandal when will we get the telliot trolley

you Promised it dude!!!!

[humble geyser]

wtf is the telliot trolley 😭

[static horizon]

Yeah act like you don't know... Dodge the question...

We all know you're just gatekeeping dude 🙄

-# /j

[glacial geode]

☠️

Wait this might be the best idea ever concieved

[humble geyser]

cheers cruisertunes

1.2.3 hotfix

• fixed radio volume desync
• hopefully fixed radio desync when turning on/off and switching radio mode

known issues:
cruisertunes notification nullref

[rain dragon]

Does those red messages usually mean something really bad? I sometimes see them but then everything works so I just leave it

[humble geyser]

it's from cruisertunes

[rain dragon]

Not specifically with you mod in general

[humble geyser]

when it tries to display the current song name

[rain dragon]

Your*

[humble geyser]

in this case its a nullref so yes but its from cruisertunes

i'm probably going to have to ask the creator of CT if they can do something on their end

[rain dragon]

Gotcha ok

[formal whale]

Red more times than not means a serious error (in terms of general modding)

[humble geyser]

apparently the v55 cars right hand drive key position is severely fucked

and probably the lhd one too

should be easy to fix, probably

[fervent timber]

Wait you flipped the driver seat and passenger seat with the V55 cruiser?

[humble geyser]

no

its a random chance and its a config

its off by default

[fervent timber]

Oh

[humble geyser]

if you have the config enabled the car can randomly spawn as right hand drive

but true-v55 must also be off

it's just a fun gimmick i added

it's not authentic but i thought it'd be fun to have as a config

[fervent timber]

I was lowkey surprised you didn't do it for the ScanVan lol

[humble geyser]

i have so genuinely thought about doing it but

can't be bothered to redo my custom animations

[fervent timber]

Fair lol

[humble geyser]

i just really wanted a fun gimmick that wasn't going to feel "terrible out of place" on the v55 car

and making it right hand drive isn't necessarily 'adding anything extra'

it's just mirroring already existing stuff

all the assets are identical other than they're just on the other side of the car

fuck sake

the seatbelt light gets stuck on

scroingly 55 update again

• fixed ignition key animations

1.2.4 slamvan

• fixed ignition key animations
• fixed seatbelt light getting stuck on

[humble geyser]

@glacial geode

it has a long snoot

[glacial geode]

[humble geyser]

i didn't have to make the front longer but it was more aesthetically pleasing

and everyone knows aesthetics take priority over functionality, right?

...right...?

[fallow perch]

Hell yeah it does

[static horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-anna-gunn-skyler-white-yo-crying-gif-14653036763871554707

[cold dune]

why does she smile like that it

1 step away from the troll face

[static horizon]

SHE'S CRYING SHE'S NOT SMILINGASOIDJOAS

[cold dune]

THAT JS A SMILE

ITS CURVING UP

WHY DOES SHE DO THAT

[static horizon]

have you never cried so hard you wince and grimace and contort your face from the emotional pain

[cold dune]

SHES doing it WRONG

[static horizon]

MAYBE YOU'RE NOT CRYING HARD ENOUGH

CRY HARDER!!!!

[cold dune]

I DO

I DO CRY HARD ENOUGH

[static horizon]

HARDEEEER

[cold dune]

SHES DOING IT WRONG

[static horizon]

NOT HARD ENOUGH

[cold dune]

YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THE ROBLOX MAN FACE

WHILE CRYING

[static horizon]

YES YOU ARE YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WRONG

[cold dune]

literally her

[static horizon]

literally everyone crying 🙄

[cold dune]

YOURE A FREAK OF NATURE IF YOU CRY LIKE THAT

[static horizon]

maybe you're the freako!

[cold dune]

WHAT DO YOU LOOK MAD WHILE YOURE LAUGHING TOO???

AR EYOU ALL MIXED UP

[grave flume]

it has enough room to breathe that's so beautiful

car breeders are finally turning away from harmful breeds

❤️

[humble geyser]

with the help of Zaggy i'll be optimising the headlights in the next update - half the amount of shadow-maps, and a cookie texture for better looking headlamps

no longer will they just point up and brighten up literally everything

will lose some brightness with this update but it's worth it

they're still significantly better than the cruisers

[rain dragon]

Are you removing the current headlights completely in general?

[humble geyser]

no, they're just being dimmed slightly and optimised

there used to be an extra pair of low range lights as i was trying to compensate for the 'sun' effect created in front of the car until zaggy just told me about cookie textures

my old method was terrible for perf as they had shadows on too

they will also be a bit more 'realistic' now like in the photo above

since headlights don't just brighten up everything like how i had it before

the light is more concentrated

they're still pretty good

just a bit more down to earth and better for performance

1.2.5

• optimised the headlamps

[humble geyser]

going to look into why the health alerts aren't playing as intended

[jaunty wraith]

nicee

[halcyon owl]

This is immersive visor, right? I’ve never played with it, but does it even still work?

[humble geyser]

yus

[halcyon owl]

Kewl, I might have to try it out at some point.

[humble geyser]

yup! hold to exit now indeed

1.2.6 the splinglanlong update

• hotfix to try fix voice alerts not resetting properly, and not playing when they should

also 5k downloads 🎉 even if 95% of the people that downloaded this vehicular could not start it and hated it with their heart and soul because it doesn't control like a fortnite car, i appreciate ya'll ^^

[cold dune]

does this add the boinging man car

[humble geyser]

Yes

[cold dune]

awesome

[humble geyser]

it adds the splinglesplangle to the eva

[humble geyser]

if anyone notices desyncs in mp with the voice alert please please tell me right away

the voice alert system is a bit more technical than just "play an audio" and it may be prone to issues, i'm continually trying to iron it out to the best of my abilities

but i don't always catch everything

[jaunty wraith]

i just drove off a cliff thinking i was on rend and discovered that i can still be alive in the pit (i tested with the scanvan mod only too and is the same result)

[humble geyser]

vanilla issue

you're invincible to death pits in vehicle seats

[jaunty wraith]

i tried with the cruiser and it exploded

[humble geyser]

the scanvan has different durability

its not coded to intentionally explode in a death pit

if your cruiser didn't blow up you wouldn't die either

https://discord.com/channels/750645598293590077/1327786573483216947

[jaunty wraith]

i dint know that

[humble geyser]

i think ButteryFixes fixes this

[humble geyser]

the vanilla one, for clarity

and neither is mine

[humble geyser]

yeah no worries lol

there are instances of people having the car fall in death pits and the ones in the seats dont die

and not having the car explode

[static horizon]

but no telliot trolley ok

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-2286608666183060999

[humble geyser]

oh yeah, be careful on snow by the way

the tyres are a bit slippy on snowy surfaces

[static horizon]

oh yeah scandal, did you ever play my public pack? or who was it that did a long while ago... I only know of like 3 people and I think you were one of em

[humble geyser]

i did play it ages ago yus

the biodiversity intended

[static horizon]

when I re-release it for v81 I'll probably use v55 cruiser cuz it just seems a little more balanced

: D

[humble geyser]

the first ever modpack to use that heaping pile of garbage

respect

[static horizon]

my only problem w it is the lack of bounce but I'll see if I can work with it... lol

[humble geyser]

you can absolutely work around it by pushing most of the time

that's why the push triggers are there in the first place

[static horizon]

I'm curious, do any mods that affect the cruiser affect the v55 one? like for example if I install smth like cruiser tunes, would they work together?

[jaunty wraith]

i will try my best to not accidentaly explode 🫡

[humble geyser]

cruisertunes should work fine

[static horizon]

same with stuff like the better vehicle controls mod (I won't but I am curious about that)

[humble geyser]

just don't use any improvement mods with it

bettervehiclecontrols wont do anything to it

afaik

it do kinda use its own controller that inherits VC for the most part so most mods that touch anything other than awake won't do anything to the vehicular

any mods that try to setup stuff on Awake might just break it

like CruiserImproved

[static horizon]

hrmm rhmmm ok

[humble geyser]

but as ive always said i think its a bit silly for one to install the v55 car mod then try to install improvement mods

lol

[static horizon]

ye lol

[humble geyser]

like one should know what they're getting themselves into

it's pretty "non negotiable" and i'd like to keep it that way

[static horizon]

but I assume there aren't any mods that let you config vehicle stats so it's good to know if they work or not

[humble geyser]

you can disable true-v55 config and have a slightly more polished "v55 car"

[static horizon]

like if I can't have bounce maybe I can have the map screen thing for example (this is an example (an example))

[humble geyser]

and disabling true-v55 also allows you to enable the "random right hand drive" config

cruisermap won't work but not for reasons you may think

i don't think it will anyways

[static horizon]

is it cuz of the model?

[humble geyser]

i fixed the scale of my car to be 1,1,1 instead of 1.18,1.18,1.18 (as this fixes items being enlargened)

but

it means

any mods setting transforms

might be set to the wrong place

i.e. wedged in the dashboard

because the scale is 'smaller'

so basically yes

[humble geyser]

these are the only configs in here

right hand drive doesn't work with true-v55 enabled, fyi

baby-face is just my own implementation since butterys mod, due to when i replace the prefab, doesn't work with this

[static horizon]

i mean i'd just need to cruiser tunes baby face in there but the convenience is appreciated

[humble geyser]

well it's in there as a host config

so you don't need to

lol

i also added Radio1 as a default track

[static horizon]

saw yeah

[humble geyser]

right hand drive is a fun config

always found it funny to watch people stare in confusion as they sit on the 'drivers side' but the steering wheel is on the opposite side

so they're actually in the passenger seat

doesn't change how the cruiser drives, it just kinda fucks with your brain and makes you sit on the opposite side

[static horizon]

yeah that's one of the reasons why I want it

it mixes up driving gameplay in a very psychological way

without adding any extra interactions or anything

[humble geyser]

^^^

that was basically my whole goal when i was "wanting to add a gimmick" to the v55 car

[rough garnet]

right handed scanvan tommorow 10pm

[humble geyser]

i have so genuinely thought about it but like

i can't be bothered to re-do my custom animations

for like the radio and shit

[arctic iris]

and moped with sidecar

tomorrow, 10pm

[humble geyser]

version 55 releasing tomorrow at 10 pm

introducing the brand new company cruiser

an extremely flawless and incredibly efficient mode of transportation

guaranteed 💯

[static horizon]

can the telliot trolley's gimmick be that it has an ICBM in the trunk

[humble geyser]

the telliot trolley upon being purchased will immediately crash your game and delete all your game files and save data

thats the gimmick

[static horizon]

you're just saying that cuz you wanna gatekeep it for 6 more months...

[flint prawn]

At least one of the pits there I’m pretty also just doesn’t have a kill trigger (unless it got fixed last update). They might’ve even been fine with that mod too

[humble geyser]

great, i broke the "thank you" audio when disengaging the parking brake

and when shutting the doors

expect 1.2.7... soon...

1.2.7 - the thankening

• fixed thank you alerts literally never playing for anything but the 'important' alerts

apologies for the numerous hotfixes, just trying to stay on top of maintenance, i keep finding out one new issue after another

[rough garnet]

scanvan too hard to drive hotfix it ASAP 😂

[grave flume]

nothing bad about fixing bugs, it's appreciated :-)

[static horizon]

truth!!

[humble geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIVaqt4VhKc

[glacial geode]

LMAO

[high sky]

hmmmm.

[humble geyser]

hmmm, that looks like its bugged completely

the wheels are stuck in the default position indicating something went wrong on Awake or Start

do you have a log, and a modpack code?

i can't say i've experienced this myself

[high sky]

I do! I also think I can tell you what's wrong lol

[humble geyser]

i'm all ears

[high sky]

We forgot that this mod wasn't compatible with LCVR yet, but since my friend was already in VR, we wanted to see just how fucked it got. What ended up happening is that when we called it into the company building, it didn't spawn below the pod but instead over here.

On my friends end, the car was actually clipped into a crate at an angle, while on my end it was just phasing through the ground. I couldn't get in the seat, and when my friend Grighter jumped into the van, it ended up causing it to just start going up?

It was very funny lol

[humble geyser]

sounds about right

yeah the vehicular is not compatible at the moment

with LCVR

[high sky]

Yeahh lolololol

[humble geyser]

it's something on my bucket list to do, but it's not top prio and it's going to be suchhhhh a pain to do

so i'm holding off on it for now

i don't even know how i'm going to tackle the manual shifter in VR

[high sky]

I imagine, this entire mod seems like it is a big ordeal to make but it's fucking awesome. I could wait for that for months or even years.

[humble geyser]

it's mainly the manual shifter that is going to probably be a headache to figure out

the steering and other basic interactions are really easy to do

i have a VR so i can test it, but as i said i'm just holding off for now because of the undertaking

LCVR needs some changes on its end as well to stop trying to apply stuff to non-vanilla vehiculars

but that will be easy

^^

[humble geyser]

infact

i can probably use the ship lever as reference

that's not too far off a manual shifter and you can move it back and forth

so i'd just need to figure out basic side to side movement as well

and then figure out when the gear selector is "in a desired gear"

i also need to figure out how to make the lower bones follow the shifter so it deforms properly

for VR i'm thinking that stalling probably won't be a thing

managing a clutch in VR sounds

just so painful

it'll probably be more like RV there yet except you can just move the gear stick whenever you want

[cobalt crane]

great to see you're so enthusiastic about this project

[cobalt crane]

kinda specific but I think it'd be nice to be able to switch seats while seated

although I'm not sure as to whether the camera function to look behind would allow for that

[humble geyser]

ive been suggested this before but I'm not sure how much of a pain thisd be

[humble geyser]

1.1.6 - the update (v55)

minor model tweaks

[humble geyser]

apparently forest giants can indeed see you through this little hole

i never expected them to be able to but cool i guess

they have to be looking at just the right angle

[fallow perch]

What little hole??

[humble geyser]

cabin window

[fallow perch]

Ohhh youre in the back

That's awesome

[indigo coyote]

cabin window

[rain dragon]

Cabin window

[flint prawn]

Cabin window

[indigo coyote]

oh wait it was already said oop

[olive zealot]

Has hopping been added to the v55 Cruiser yet

[humble geyser]

it's never going to be added

[olive zealot]

Bruh

[humble geyser]

because it wasn't a thing in v55

lol

i'm sorry but i'm really stubborn about the v55 cruiser and it being only really 1 experience and 1 experience only

but hopping was not a thing in v55

if it was i would've kept it in

hopping only came later in v56 along with turbo boosting

and i'm sticking to my guns with authenticity for the most part

stuff like the right-hand-drive config (which requires true-v55 off) doesn't necessarily change cruiser gameplay which is why i'm fine with it being in the mod as a config

but it do be off by default

true-v55 only re-fucks the suspension and steering but doesn't really do anything else other than that

and even without true-v55 off the car is still mostly an unwieldy mess

i'm not against hopping but for the sake of this mod, it's probably going to stay the way it is now for the forseeable future

[brittle gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-cruiser-company-cruiser-car-explode-gif-4791654246030469700

[serene surge]

Scanvan is amazing, me and my friend absolutely loved it

it only took us less then ten minutes to figure out how to ignite it (nope, I haven't got my B driver's license yet, working on it)

[humble geyser]

haha, glad you liked it! the ignition stuff is explained in the last page of the manual

[serene surge]

whoooo tf read the f manual anywy

but yea, custom manual was great too

[serene surge]

(*except he almost got a heart attack from using it)

[urban haven]

friend in question here, i hope both sides of your pillow is warm @humble geyser

[serene surge]

we found out that some sounds are not synchronized to clients btw. I'm talking about car voice lines

[humble geyser]

ah man, which ones?

the voice alert is quite a technical system, i'm constantly trying to iron out issues with it

it's quite a challenge trying to keep it in sync

[urban haven]

can you make a button to disable the voice alert or is it an essential feature for your Cyber Terrorism

[humble geyser]

i could but i'm really stubborn about it

when chrysler first released voice alert there was no ability to turn it off

and pulling the fuse would fuck with the electrical system

and stuff like your fuel gauge wouldn't work

[urban haven]

[humble geyser]

load bearing alert system

you can turn down the volume of it in your user config, btw

you can never mute it though

[urban haven]

that will come in handy thx

[humble geyser]

i consider it integral to the experience, i don't know why i'm so stubborn about it but i am

i just think it's really funny and i guess it being 'a bit annoying' is part of the experience

[urban haven]

it was definetly as fun as it was annoying

[humble geyser]

that's part of the point in my case 😉

[humble geyser]

anyways yeah if you remember which ones desynced please please let me know

and if you have any specific steps to reproduce it, that would help greatly

[humble geyser]

yus, radar map icon

[fallow perch]

"Your Keys are in the Ignition. 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 "

[humble geyser]

i always hated not being able to see the car

[fallow perch]

I wish I had clipped it LOL

[humble geyser]

i don't think this one is desynced

i've tested this one multiple times, but these alerts work differently compared to the rest

[fallow perch]

Yeah

I have no idea what happened that session

how about your keys are in the ignition and then 🚨 💥 💥 💥

Self Destruct

✅

[humble geyser]

😭

[urban haven]

dude that was after 20mins of trial and error btw

[humble geyser]

i love the people that just stare at the shifter with absolutely no idea how to use it

[humble geyser]

when you said shut up @urban haven , were you hearing a voice alert?

or had they already played

[serene surge]

as you can see, nope

[urban haven]

yes, i said shut up alot of times that session, all for KEYS IN THE IGNITION

[humble geyser]

yeah that

shouldn't be happening?

it's not meant to be saying that if you're sat in the car

i'll look into this promptly

apologies for that

😅

[urban haven]

it was def deynced, sometimes i heard it when the keys werent in the ignition, same for lights beeing on when they werent

[urban haven]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-markiplier-markiplier-punch-punch-lethal-company-punch-gif-15730990583547628347

[humble geyser]

the headlamps on and keys in are only meant to play if either conditions are met and the drivers door is open with the engine not running

[serene surge]

apologies for not-enough-annoying car accepted, fines paid in full

[humble geyser]

do you have any exact steps to reproducing the desync? i assume you @serene surge were the host?

the voice alert is completely host driven

[serene surge]

I was host, I was outside of the vehicle most of the time

[humble geyser]

ic

yeah the "not hearing anything" is correct behaviour, as to why it was playing for clients i'm not too sure

i have tested the 'important alerts' multiple times and i could never get it to bug

[urban haven]

did you test as client? the alerts were all over for me

[humble geyser]

yeah

i have

in LAN sessions

multiple times

i'll make some changes and try it again

[urban haven]

ok, we'll try to desync it tmmrw and send our findings

gn

[serene surge]

for now I can report that Imperium's Interact Hold feature is not fully compatible even with my recent fixes

and for the honking there is some audible clicking on audio start/stop, which can be mitigated by 2ms fade in/out. (that's how DaVinci does it anyway. feel free to use 10ms or whatever. not sure how to do it though, Unity does not offer such DSP API, like what Web Audio has with GainNodes)

[humble geyser]

hmmm, i see

i'll look into it

[serene surge]

I think using Interact Hold kinda broke the Ignition completely. Unless I'm missing some kinda of clutch again

[humble geyser]

if your employee didn't even put the key in or anything then that's the interact hold thing

i'm going to rewrite how certain alerts (like the keys one) is synced

it'll be more 'direct'

[serene surge]

cool

your ignitions interactions are definitely more complex that whatever I accounted for Zeekers' cruiser

[humble geyser]

it's just because i wanted to be able to remove the key without needing to start the engine

while also sat in the seat

in older versions the top half of the ignition was to try it and the bottom half was to untwist or remove

[serene surge]

i figured as much, but now i'll have to figure out how to adjust imperium to integrate with it nicely

[humble geyser]

very unintuitive lol

the ignition is just one prompt entirely

but holding LMB changes it for different actions

[serene surge]

including... the fact that starting the ignition will instantly switch to the Remove Key skippable animation

[humble geyser]

yeahh i'm going to look into this

i'm thinking i'll just add a short cooldown or try to cancel the player holding E on the ignition when it first starts

it's on my todo :)

1.2.9 the scroingling update

• significantly reduced bundle size (21mb --> 13mb) (huge huge kudos to @willow charm ^^)
• refactored some of the voice alert code to hopefully prevent desyncs

and yes, i did test the refactor

i couldn't get it to desync, tried multiple things like having a client in the car, opening the door as the host, turning ignition on/off, etc etc

seemed fine to me

so it's a matter of time to see "if it works"

1.3.0 is just a hotfix as i realised i also was never resetting variables upon force stopping 'important' alerts without it saying thank you

[humble geyser]

true..

[humble geyser]

tomorrow, i will look into making the ignition trigger not be still held down upon successfully starting the vehicle, provided the voice alert system doesn't need my attention again

right now it's not that major so i'm not scrambling to look into it (plus i'm tired)

[sly oar]

@humble geyser just now I decided to give scanvan a try, cuz I remembered it existed

and holy crap it is absolutely amazing

truly an outstanding job

i had a few nice laughs reading the manual, it felt like v55 beta day 1 again

how exactly are entity interactions with the scanvan different from those of the cruiser?

[humble geyser]

for the most part it's the protection that works differently

like for example the front cab and rear compartment are split into two "zones"

having various doors open can make you vulnerable to certain enemies and losing the windshield makes you vulnerable to "large entities" in the front seats

the back is always safe as long as both the side and rear door are shut

if this is what you were asking anyways

enemy and vehicle interaction in this game is pretty basic otherwise

[humble geyser]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm speaking of v55....

anyways, I'm very glad you liked it ^^^^

makes me happy to see that not everyone hates my creation

[sly oar]

I've been playing around with it in a moon called "scallg", and it's pretty neat to drive

its super safe too

now i do gotta try it on the zeeker moons and see how that goes hee hee

[humble geyser]

it's not unusable, but it does like to get stuck a bit more often on moons with harsh terrain

it's part of the reason I reworked durability to not just be "fast = big damage"

that rear loading step was deadly lol

however im not willing to give up form for functionality because that's laaaaaameeee as everyone knows

[sly oar]

I noticed that on vow yes

I just drived from ship to fire in the morning and from fire to ship at 10 pm

it is a bit easy for it to get stuck, but a baboon hawk touched the van at one point and simply got destroyed in a second

its not that hard to drive, and the extra difficulty is a good tradeoff for how safe it is

[humble geyser]

the slightly extra difficulty to use on vanilla moons is why im okay with it being a bit tanky

[humble geyser]

lmfao

vow has a pretty nice route to drive along

[sly oar]

I adore this mod, it is literally what I dreamed the company cruiser to be like

pre-v55

[humble geyser]

the vanilla car though... ughhh.. no excuse zeekerss

[humble geyser]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Scandal/Version55_Company_Cruiser/ you can always experience the misery of v55 again from the comfort of your own home

[sly oar]

-# this week has been a bit rough in dark place travelers on the topic of cruiser jumping...

[humble geyser]

I've seen :(

[sly oar]

Scanvan makes me happy tho :]

[humble geyser]

it was very sad to read through that thread

I liked your idea

[sly oar]

it makes me forget the awful balancing state the company cruiser is in rn

[humble geyser]

the cruiser is just a shadow of its former self

[humble geyser]

it do be kinda why I made this

[sly oar]

Oh, I do have a question tho @humble geyser there's a button next to the headlight switch

what does it do?

I didnt quite understand that one

[humble geyser]

it's a toggle for the turbo boost

if you have stored boosts and you enable it you can use the boost

if it's disabled it's just always hopping

[sly oar]

my gosh that friggin thing cant get any better

[humble geyser]

I have nerfed the boost if you're curious

And the car only stores four boosts

The cabin light button used to be in that area but it's on the roof mow

Now

[sly oar]

I see...not that I'm much of a jumper, but it's good to know anyway

[sly oar]

that makes sense

[humble geyser]

I don't jump either haha

I added that button ages ago and it has just been there since

I can get around just fine by driving and an occasional bit of hopping if needed

[humble geyser]

Mainly the boost force is reduced

Idk how much of a difference it'll make but yeah

[willow charm]

so for whatever reason sometimes this happens

[static horizon]

terminal conflict fix might have to be a dependency mayb

[sly oar]

I haven't bought one in the store yet

If it's listed as "Scanvan" and not "Van" if you just type scan, hoping to scan the moon for scrap, it might think you want to buy the van

[willow charm]

yeah thats the problem

[serene surge]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/166

this might be a helpful reference on how it works, and also it's how I fixed Hold Interact in vanilla

[late shale]

Hi Scandal, YPlayBoombox developer here, I can't seem to reproduce this issue on my end with your van, in fact I don't think YPB touches any vehicle interact hooks 🤔, are you able to tell me how to reproduce it? Thanks.

[humble geyser]

Have two players in a session, try to sit in one seat

Hell, even opening the door doesn't sync

[humble geyser]

oh hmmm that never occurred to me

thank you for bringing this up

[late shale]

What is supposed to happen? Nothing seems to have broken

[humble geyser]

huh, when i was testing, on my screen a client would be sat in the wrong seat, etc

so maybe it's spray paint? i'll test again, apologies in advance if it's not YPlay

[late shale]

No problem, YPB doesn't really mess around with the vehicle too much so I'd be surprised if it is breaking things

[humble geyser]

It baffled me haha

[late shale]

Surprisingly youtube audio can play in your van as long as the radio is already on, but because it doesn't seem to use the default cruiser hooks it's a bit janky - don't think I can patch that on my end easily, lmk if it is yplay!

[humble geyser]

Alright! and yeah I kind of expected it to not play very nicely

If you have the DMCA-Music config off you can also switch between live radio and local music (i.e. CruiserTunes)

[humble geyser]

If you want, you can just add a VehicleID check on YPlay so it doesn't affect modded vehicles

Cruiser is always zero

[late shale]

Cool, good to know, I just tested the van again and it does seem like the player ends up in the middle seat, gonna try it without YPB

[humble geyser]

I tried with just BetterSprayPaint + the V80 fix and it doesn't seem broken here on my end

[late shale]

Weird, it's working fine with it disabled 💀 let me try enabling it again

Have you seen this before? I don't think it's related

[humble geyser]

hmm, i have not, let me take a look at what that is

probably an easy fix (nullref check)

thank yer for letting me know about this :)

[late shale]

Something funky is going on for sure

The non-host client can't interact with the van at all and I don't have YPB enabled

[humble geyser]

huh?

i haven't had issues with clients interacting with the car

[late shale]

I also saw this when the person ended up in the middle seat (YPB was enabled)

That happened when one person entered the driver seat

[late shale]

Will make a vid one sec

[humble geyser]

those warnings are fine

the weather particle null is because it can't find wesleys weathers, which is fine

the stopignition warning also happens in vanilla and i don't even use that trigger anyways

[humble geyser]

alr!

[late shale]

Oh I mean the interact triggers, you see one says driver seat and one says middle seat, but the person only entered the driver seat - one console represents the host and the other represents the client, don't know which one is which though

[humble geyser]

ah, snap, okay, yeah i see it now

i'm not sure why this would happen

this is happening on both clients without YPB?

host client and non client?

i remember people reporting a similar issue with the Hauler

[late shale]

That happened with my mod enabled yeah

[humble geyser]

oh, so that happened with

i see

i have checked the interact triggers for the seats, multiple times, and i do not see anything wrong

and what is even stranger is the fact that even the doors don't sync properly

and those are vanilla scripts

[late shale]

Sry my recording software didn't work and I restarted the lobby so can't reproduce it, but the client couldn't interact with the seat or the handbrake, but everything else was fine like the doors and radio buttons etc

That was with my mod disabled, so might pop up in a future issue possibly idk

[humble geyser]

if there is someone sat in the seat then only the driver can interact with the handbrake

[late shale]

Oh okay that makes sense

[humble geyser]

i haven't had issues with interacting with the seat so not sure

was it saying "this seat is occupied?"

[humble geyser]

yuh, it's just an anti-tamper thing as i got a request for it

[late shale]

I was trying to enter the passenger seat while the driver seat was occupied, but it didn't say that error, the "sit down" tooltip thing didn't popup either

[humble geyser]

hm, i'll take a look, but i've had people sit in all 3 seats just fine, with them getting in when the driver seat was occupied

[late shale]

Yeah it works for me too, just that one time it seems to have not worked for some reason, gonna enable my mod again and see what happens

[serene surge]

what's your recommendation for modded moons with long rides, to play with Scanvan?

[humble geyser]

i'm not sure tbh! some of demonmaes might be up your alley but i know some of the hills have sharp angles which can cause a bit of bottoming out

and some of the really steep hills require first gear gameplay to get up, but that's fine i guess, as long as it makes it up

new tauralis seems really good but i don't know powerfull fixed the enemy ref issue

[serene surge]

there is like a hundred mods made by DemonMae, oh my god who is this guy

[humble geyser]

surprised you've never heard of them lol

[serene surge]

well, i usually don't play modded

as surprising as that might be in the modding discord

my knowledge cutoff is right around Wesley

[humble geyser]

i see, fair enough haha

doesn't hurt to have a poke around :)

[rain dragon]

The Expedtitios Cruisin Series has some aggressive angle one that you will take dmg on the Scanvan. but for the most part it's good

[humble geyser]

you can slow down enough to prevent damage

as long as you aren't getting damaged the car isn't either

[rain dragon]

Yeah. First time i was going to fast. I felt like my ass was about to shoot through out my mouth

[humble geyser]

sadly it would require DemonMae remaking the entire moon in order to accomodate less angled slopes

lmfao

[rain dragon]

AAAAUGHHHH

I mean it's fine

honestly kinda funny

[humble geyser]

the durability tanks it for the most part

[rain dragon]

you said that scanvan has low clearnce compare to the vanilla cruiser?

[humble geyser]

it's not the clearance its the length of the truck

the wheelbase is longer and it has longer overhangs

the rear step is devious

but again it's why i reworked durability anyways

this is kind of the issue illustrated

the suspension would obviously compress on the front wheel so ignore the fact its clipping into the floor

[late shale]

Ahhh, I give up, I disable one thing it works, and then the next time I load it's broken and the guy ends up in the third chair - I think it's a netcode issue but hard to tell, no idea why it's happening either. I haven't experienced any triggers being broken by my mod so that's a silver lining lol

[humble geyser]

I'm not sure I'm afraid :( I have checked multiple things over and over and done multiple playtests (obviously without your mod) and never experienced this issue, it's only when I got told about it and tried a modpack that had on it did it start occurring, and I narrowed it down to that

The fact it's breaking the doors is extra weird because those are vanilla interact triggers

Infact, most of the interactables are

[late shale]

Have you tried just YPB and your mod? I haven't experienced any issues apart from the third seat problem

[humble geyser]

yes, i have

for example it also breaks the door state

like if you open the drivers door on your end

it doesn't sync properly

[late shale]

By chance what netcode patcher version are you applying? Is it -uv 2022.3.62 -nv 1.5.2 -tv 1.0.0?

[humble geyser]

-uv 2022.3.62 -nv 1.12.0 -tv 1.0.0

[late shale]

Oh dear lord

Let me just check something

[humble geyser]

😅

I've not had issues with networking - plus most interactable stuff is vanilla scripts

[late shale]

Mine is running the same version nevermind

[humble geyser]

If networking was an issue it would of for sure reared its ugly head by now - there's alot of custom networking in my mod

[late shale]

Yeah idky but my mod does not play nicely with yours I just don't know what it could be as it works with the regular cruiser, I'll have another look later and see if anything stands out

Thanks for your help!

[humble geyser]

Np ^^

[serene surge]

apply the msbuild xml script from the netcode patcher's repo

[late shale]

I did it the old fashioned way in the post build script as I couldn't get it working, it patched fine but there's something else causing the problem

[serene surge]

it is the recommended way though, not an old fashioned

[late shale]

I mean the old fashioned way is calling the cli patcher in the post build (I do that but in a different way, without the extra xml stuff)

[humble geyser]

so apparently my v55 car is deleting every item inside of it upon being destroyed

that's not.. intentional.. on my part..

[rain dragon]

Seems like a v55 car thing to do imo

[humble geyser]

it does.. but it's actually not

i'll look into it later

there's some other stuff i wanted to look into for the scanvan that... i forgot what actually

argh

hopefully i remember after i'm back from running some errands

i'll also look into that hold interact thing for imperium

and i'll see what i can do about stopping the immediate untwisting key action when starting the car

although i'm thinking just a cooldown will be in order

seems like the easiest way too

oh, right, yeah i remember the other thing

the player colliders when on the magnet don't move too good

but that's easy to fix

[rain dragon]

Have you noticed anything weird when the car puts in you the the driver seat standing with exiting

more specifically when the driver side is facing the magnet?

[humble geyser]

yeah, this isn't something I can easily "fix" and it's not really that major, just crouch

It's just when you get out and it tries to place you in the cab

But you end up going through the roof

I can attempt to move one of the nodes down and see if that helps

[rain dragon]

Nah it's ok I had a feeling. It's not the end of the world but it's for sure funny when I im trying to rush into the ship and im crouching under the scanvan as a giant is looming over me licking his lips

Oh i did meant to ask.

I know you have a lot more stuff you wanna work on. But how easy would it be to make that mod you were talking about for the free scanvan/vehicle daily?

[serene surge]

does the loot not count when left in the Scanvan?

and the windshield does not get fixed on the next day

[humble geyser]

It does, but you need to close the back doors (it must be in the back area)

The back and side door

[humble geyser]

Yeah I know this is intentional for now, but I have a more fair idea in mind

[serene surge]

you actions have cost us trilli-billi-shmillions

I'm contacting my lawyer

[humble geyser]

don't worry me and my group have fallen for it before

😭

makes sense to me that items would fly out into space with the doors open 🥴

[humble geyser]

my idea, if you're wondering, is that if you just crack the window, going into orbit fully regens is, but if you lose the windshield entirely on that van and go into orbit, it'll only regen to a cracked state, and subsequent trips to space will not regen it fully (only to a cracked state if you lose it again)

vanilla never regens the window unless you reload but then again it doesn't really have an impact on anything

[willow charm]

You can't be serious rn

[humble geyser]

i indeed am

[willow charm]

That's just awful dude

I hate that

[humble geyser]

i'm aware

you can still keep items safe in the car :p

just got to close the doors

i may exclude the side door, though

[grave flume]

i love it tbh

it was so funny realizing that happened to us bcs i remember us talking about the car not keeping items if the door isn't closed sometime before scanvan came out i think

[static horizon]

it's pretty logical

[grave flume]

or maybe i just watched it happen i don't remember

[static horizon]

it should be a main cruiser feature

[humble geyser]

i have spoken to buttery about it before as well

[grave flume]

but it's awesome either way

[static horizon]

it's the only thing I don't really mind from the scanvan lol

[humble geyser]

buttery wants to do something similar for BRB iirc

[grave flume]

hell yes

[humble geyser]

you know, i could of just been mean and make it like v55 where nothing saves in the car ever

but i won't

[willow charm]

Is that even mentioned anywhere?

[humble geyser]

i think i hinted towards it in the manual? let me check

[grave flume]

youll find out pretty quick i imagine

[humble geyser]

ah no i only mentioned they must be in the back

hmmmm

[willow charm]

Because this is just another thing that makes it worse than regular cruiser as far as I'm concerned

[static horizon]

I don't really see the scan van as smth to use alongside the cruiser tbh but i get what you mean

[humble geyser]

i'm not trying to actively compete against the cruiser

[cold dune]

me when space has no gravity

[humble geyser]

for the most part items only in the back was just to deter from putting items on the roof, and the back door thing was something i added after speaking to buttery about the subject

[willow charm]

It's not about competition, it's appeal. It needs to have an appeal that makes it worth using

The extra protection is ok I guess, but it doesn't really make up for the downsides

[grave flume]

there's certainly appeal to it

maybe it's just not appealing to you

[humble geyser]

i guess it depends on who you ask, this vehicle has just kind of been an amalgamation of my ideas thrown together over time

[flint prawn]

I do think it's funny. It could be a config though for people that don't want it

[willow charm]

I'm talking about gameplay and how it fits into the loop, not appeal in the sense of all the fancy features and details

[grave flume]

not really sure what you mean

admittedly i haven't played around with it much but from the time i did it fit in pretty well

[cold dune]

if it doesnt appeal to you... then dont use it

its the scanvan

not the appeals to everyone van

[static horizon]

I feel like it's a good balance between current cruiser gameplay and v55 cruiser

[cold dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-inform-whisper-what-gif-11607966043387348688

its full of scanits

[static horizon]

v55 cruiser is booty because you have to start heading back w it at like 10pm since you have to take everything out of it for it to save

[humble geyser]

the v55 cruiser is meant to be awful

[willow charm]

It does appeal to me, that's the thing. Hell, I'm still basically the only one in lunxara's lobbies who can effectively use it

[static horizon]

but current cruiser is also butt cuz people just drop shit on the roof and boost into the magnet at 12:05 as the ship's leaving and so you don't interact with terrain

[humble geyser]

i'm not closed to feedback, for the record, if you genuinely have any ideas you can toss them my way

[fervent timber]

You and me both, I've been learning it on and off stream

Everyone else can't use it though yeah

lol

[static horizon]

so you having to at least be mindful of where you put the scrap is fine, but it should be communicated.

[humble geyser]

i guess i'm not "incredibly fussed with how it fits into the vanilla game", i guess i'm more leaning more into the fun side of things while still being useable for transporting loot (since in this game thats all a vehicle really needs to be able to do)

[static horizon]

idrc if it's meant to or not meant to be, I'm making a point that it's a good middle ground

[willow charm]

Well I did toss the idea of it's ability to drive being affected by how much scrap is inside

[humble geyser]

well that would just make it worse than the cruiser, yeah?

[fervent timber]

I've enjoyed all the extra mechanics it adds, really is a lot more immersive

[humble geyser]

i have thought about making loot affect the rear suspension, but that would just "make it worse" like you mentioned before

[willow charm]

Not necessarily

For instance, it could be faster by default but slow down as scrap is added, and at the same time become more stable as scrap is added since it's centre of mass would be getting lower

[humble geyser]

infact i was making some changes in preperation to see if i could get this system working

ooh you know what i have a good idea

since the car slips in snow, extra weight could give more traction

like how people put sandbags in the trunk of their rear wheel drive car

[willow charm]

The suspension thing was just a handwavium explanation for why it becomes more stable

Not how it should actually work

[humble geyser]

the center of mass is something i'll have to see how the car reacts to, changing the CoM at runtime does not seem to play well with rigidbodies

yeah no i getcha

i forgot you mentioned it before

i'm just trying to think of a system on how to "gather all the combined weight" of the scrap in the car without tanking performance

[willow charm]

Is there a way to do a pseudo change of sorts? Like an invisible mass attached to the car that moves separately from the main body to adjust the centre mass of both

Like a keel on a sailboat

[humble geyser]

that's kind of what i was thinking

[static horizon]

handwavium 😭

[humble geyser]

oh wait you mean for CoM

uh, i'd have to look into it

i was thinking of a weight collider for the extra weight in the back

although at the same time

that might affect CoM?

not sure

[willow charm]

Can't you just periodically check the weight of every scrap inside and go based off that?

[humble geyser]

i probably could

i was changing it so that each item gets cached to a List

i'm just kinda worried that looping through that list (if there's loads of items) would affect perf really badly

if you went to dine like 3 days, i don't want it to tank fps super bad

[willow charm]

Couldn't you slow down the process in any way?

[humble geyser]

i could do it on check intervals

[willow charm]

Or that yeah, every few seconds

[humble geyser]

but when you're gathering loads and loads of loot it may start to lag behind if its on an interval

or maybe not

idk

[willow charm]

Honestly with how many fukin states soundAPI has to check through for resonance right now, I think you're overestimating

[humble geyser]

oh yeah no that's fair lol

[humble geyser]

maybe

[willow charm]

But yeah these changes would be an appeal thing, not competition. Some unique quirk that may make it more viable under different circumstances

[static horizon]

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[humble geyser]

i s'pose that's fair, it is something i'm kind of already looking into

i can just do some psuedo math to figure out the 'extra weight' to apply to the vehicular

[willow charm]

It definitely needs to have a cap

[humble geyser]

with a maximum limit of course

[willow charm]

Lol

[humble geyser]

yeah no ofc lol

otherwise it's just going to cause all manner of weird things

[willow charm]

2000lb scanvan, can't go up a 5 degree incline

[humble geyser]

vans of this size weigh alot more than that irl 😵‍💫

but yeah would sound about right

lol

it's going to take alot of tinkering to find a 'right balance'

[willow charm]

On moons like artifice it's gonna get heavy quick, so maybe like 800?

[humble geyser]

800 (insert unit here) weight or 800 items?

[willow charm]

I reckon the weight should only top speed with a bit of acceleration change. Might actually give a good reason to use the higher gears

[humble geyser]

top speed is determined by gear

not weight

[willow charm]

Total weight

[humble geyser]

acceleration will change on its own the more the car weighs so i don't need to do anything there

[willow charm]

Twas part of my original idea

[humble geyser]

ah yeah, i see

[willow charm]

I mean I think it would make sense for top speed to be affected

[humble geyser]

well the extra weight will probably indirectly affect 'top speed' anyways

when you go into a higher gear with more weight the car will struggle anyways

so your top speed will "technically be limited"

[willow charm]

Though I will say if you go about doing this, you need to make it faster when it isn't loaded with items, just so it isn't completely abysmal when loaded

[humble geyser]

without items it'll probably feel about how it does now

[willow charm]

Idk, the benefit of increased stability when loaded needs to come at a cost, so if it's slower overall than it used to be it might just end up feeling even less appealing

[humble geyser]

trying to strike the right balance between 'not feeling like a sports car because its a van' and 'gameplay' is hard

[humble geyser]

no no i know

i'm just saying

completely empty or with very few items

it'll feel probably about the same as it does right now

then past a point

items start affecting weight

which will directly affect CoM

and acceleration

and subsequently 'limit how fast you can go'

[willow charm]

If the driving is a 3 star rating right now, you don't want it to start at 3 and go down. Start at 4 and make it go down to 2

[humble geyser]

i'm not willing to make it feel like a sports car to drive with no weight

[willow charm]

Same thing that seekers did with the walking uphill speed reduction

[humble geyser]

it's never going to feel like the cruiser and i'm fine with that

the vanilla car is really basic and just continually applies torque when pressing the pedal in drive

[willow charm]

No that's fine, but I'm saying compared to itself

The cruiser is already at like 6 stars in terms of driveability

[remote raft]

What about making it so you can put butter on the tires which doubles the speed

[humble geyser]

as i said trying to balance this to 'feel good' for gameplay, without going against what i'd like, is really hard

[remote raft]

[humble geyser]

i wouldn't say this vehicle is any less driveable, but this is in regards to its acceleration

my acceleration does not work like vanilla

and i don't wish to do something like vanilla

because for the longest time it had something similar

and it made the car accelerate like it had a 900hp v8 engine

and for a work van that's really dumb

i'm not saying i'm aiming for super realistic, because i know that's bad for gameplay

i just want "more down to earth"

i'm overall 'pretty satisifed' with the cars acceleration overall

[willow charm]

No it definitely is less deliverable. Ignoring the manual shifting it's bigger and heavier

[humble geyser]

i think combined with the hill assists that work in the background, it's not terrible to drive

well yeah it's heavier but its a van

the cruiser weighs 200kg

it weighs 1/4 of my irl city car that dates back to 1996

[willow charm]

It doesn't HAVE to be better to drive, it is a heavy van yes. It it needs appeal that the cruiser doesn't have for it to be worth it in player's eyes

[fallow perch]

That explains how you can just push it around LOL

[humble geyser]

appeal is subjective, but i getcha

[remote raft]

I mean it’s not like the entire appeal of the mod is more drivable = better

[willow charm]

Having buttons and doodads on the dashboard is only eye candy, and you don't want that to be the whole appeal

[remote raft]

I get where you’re coming from since it should few good to use in gameplay and actually be practical, since vehicles are a lot more effort to bring around than equipment is

[humble geyser]

but if the cruiser is already 'enough' for someone then it's going to be kinda hard to 'top that'

[humble geyser]

that is absolutely not my whole appeal lol

[willow charm]

Them what appeal does it have? The extra protection is nifty but by itself it doesn't really make it more interesting to use. Protection doesn't matter if it's exceedingly hard to use effectively to haul scrap

Like, the point of the game is to haul items back. The cruiser is hard to use, but it balances out by being very effective at carrying large amounts of items back and thus saving precious time

The scanvan is a cruiser adjacent, and can do the same things, but it trades speed for protection. That's the whole shtick right now

[humble geyser]

there could be some things said about the cruisers balance, but anyways

i guess to an extent you're right about it "not having appeal", but at the same time, i'm not trying to make it more appealing.

i guess i'm making what i wanted to make? whether it's appealing in peoples eyes or seen as worth using is subjective

[humble geyser]

i do describe it as an alternative to the cruiser ;p

if you're trying to make a vehicle more appealing to use than the cruiser, what do you want in it?

[willow charm]

The whole philosophy of the game seems to revolve around you being vulnerable by yourself, so having this tank of a vehicle that trades being slow and thus wasting precious time is... An odd direction to say the least

[humble geyser]

it's tanky because it's harder to use

:p

[willow charm]

Yeah, it's a tradeoff

[humble geyser]

the cruiser is tanky but probably shouldn't be

the cruiser doesn't have a reason to be this tanky

i'm "okay" with my car being a bit on the tankier side, due to just how it is

[willow charm]

If I had to guess it's because zeekers wasnt focusing on realism when making it, whereas you sort of are

[humble geyser]

because if it was as fragile as when i first made it, oh boy, the complaints would be ripe

i think zeekerss wanted to make the car more realistic

but probably couldn't figure it out, or cut down due to development time or something

there's some stuff in the Cruisers script that makes me think this

most notably variables such as "MaxEngineRPM and MinEngineRPM"

[willow charm]

With how many buffs it has gotten, I doubt that

[humble geyser]

being set to 3000 and 1000 respectively

i'm talking more in the sense of when the car was in development

not after the fact

[willow charm]

Back when it was a paperweight?

[humble geyser]

yes

before the public got their hands on it

[willow charm]

Yeah I wouldn't peg that as aiming for realism

[humble geyser]

i would, because it implies a drivetrain system

they go completely unused in the cruiser

[willow charm]

Which could be because of either or

[humble geyser]

you don't just implement variables like that and then just never use them for no reason

i reckon he was trying to implement some form of drivetrain (which would make it more realistic) but couldn't figure it out

so it was cut down to be more simple

[willow charm]

Unless you cut them out intentionally, which could be because you didn't know or you felt it wasn't necessary

[humble geyser]

i know i may be clutching at straws but it seems plausible to me

well that could also be true

[willow charm]

Would the cruiser be any different with a drivetrain Sim?

[humble geyser]

yes

very

[willow charm]

It doesn't have any gears

[humble geyser]

mine has a drivetrain system

[willow charm]

I don't think it was ever supposed to

[humble geyser]

well, maybe not very but

acceleration would be drastically different

[willow charm]

And zeekers could very well have realised that and scrapped it because of that

[humble geyser]

that could also be true

but considering how poorly the cruiser is put together from a vehicle physics perspective i'm leaning more on the side of he couldn't figure it out

[willow charm]

But that's just the cruiser, what if we look at other aspects of the game? How often does the game favour realism, and how often does it lean towards arcade

[humble geyser]

how poorly the car is put together is not really a gameplay vs realism thing

like for example there's alot of physics related code that he puts in Update instead of unities FixedUpdate (which is for physics related stuff)

which ends up making it framerate dependant

lol

considering he isn't even doing the bare basics properly, i'm leaning more on the side of he didn't know how to do 'more realistic' vehicle physics

[flint prawn]

The appeal is that it tells you when your keys are in the ignition

[willow charm]

Yeah he probably fucked up things instead of it being intentional, but still. One gear, no shifter, fkin emergency ejection system. It was not meant to be realistic

[humble geyser]

wdym no shifter

[willow charm]

Clutch, sorry

[humble geyser]

well yeah because its an automatic

automatics dont have clutch pedals

it would be dumb if he added one despite it being an automatic

[willow charm]

It just doesn't feel right for zeekers to suddenly want to go for realism. Basically nothing else about the game is realistic

[humble geyser]

i think the ejector was actually a last minute addition

the v55 trailer actually never had the button, lol

fun fact

i guess neither of us can speak for zeekerss

and sure i'm just going off two variables, but it's not completely meaningless

[willow charm]

Considering he never went about fixing it, I'm leaning on it being a bit meaningless

[humble geyser]

it's not something to 'fix' its just "leftovers"

they do absolutely nothing in code

but unused variables are not meaningless

to me it hints towards wanting to make the car atleast 'a bit more realistic'

but it was scrapped for X Y Z reason

[willow charm]

Yeah, the intention was there. But he never actually did anything with it

[humble geyser]

and that's not meaningless 😉

[willow charm]

So chances are he was just okay with it being not realistic, because it didn't matter for gameplay

[humble geyser]

that could also be true

[willow charm]

Even if he added them now, it would just be a game of adjusting numbers to get it to work the same, since he seems satisfied with how it works otherwise. Especially as he moved onto adjusting the health and other stuff like the auto upright

[humble geyser]

i just think he lost the plot

if i'm honest

lol

[willow charm]

Like... What?

[humble geyser]

"lost the plot" as in he doesn't know what he's really doing anymore with the car

and he just keeps fiddling with numbers

[willow charm]

At which point what difference does it make if he adds the rpm system. It'd just be more fiddling with numbers

[humble geyser]

he seemed satisifed during v55-v56 with the car, and then he just does a mega buff in v70.. for.. no reason

to an extent an RPM system is fiddling with numbers, but my point is that it would lean more into the side of realism

[willow charm]

Because he also changed how effective it was at killing things?

[humble geyser]

i guess that's not a bad argument

i think he changed that due to the giant kiwi

so the car just wouldn't one shot it

[willow charm]

Yeah, he did

Which in turn made the car less effective against dogs and such

[humble geyser]

i still think the buff was extremely excessive

[willow charm]

So he buffed the HP to account for that