V.E. Scanvan Thread! (and any other of my vehicles)

[humble geyser]

rv there yet has turn signals?

[fallow perch]

didn't you explain to me the system they had for stick shifting

[humble geyser]

oh

yeah

[fallow perch]

where you pressed a key and had to move your mouse

[humble geyser]

you press Q

yeah

then a diagram comes up

a shift pattern diagram

and you move your mouse

[fallow perch]

could that work for the sticks behind the wheel??

[humble geyser]

and theres a ball that represents where the stick is

[humble geyser]

uhh probably not

im just gonna shorten the interact triggers

[humble geyser]

mkay, immersive visor has no licence, i don't think i'm allowed to add compat for it

(mainly just wanted to stop the visor rain appearing when in the cab or the back)

[crisp oak]

how can i drive with it? sorry im stupid

[humble geyser]

you're not stupid it's a learning curv

curve*

hold the clutch down while starting

then, to change gear after it has started:

clutch down, shift to the desired gear, disengage the parking brake ofc, give some gas and release the clutch

to change to another gear in motion, clutch down, shift, clutch up

you can stall the car if you're not careful, so if that happens restart the ignition

you can change the clutch and gear keybinds in your settings

clutch default is left shift

mouse up/mouse down is shift up and shift down

the parking brake is.. admittedly a bit hard to see, but there is a light on the dashboard to indicate whether it's on or not

there is also a noise cue for it

it's just between the seats

the prompt should be easy to see

...the car will also just tell you if it's on

anyways, going to push a 1.0.4 later which will include shrunken interact triggers for the wipers and the hazards, alongside some other minor changes (like the clutch tip will now be more clear and will say "Hint! try pressing down the clutch pedal when trying to start the engine")

i'll also make the car guaranteed to start in the event of a stall, since it's not really fair to have to retry the ignition like 30 times for it to restart

[fervent timber]

This appears to log every frame after ordering a Scanvan

I also do not understand the controls

I can not start this thing

It says hold the clutch but uh doesn't say what the binding is

[humble geyser]

its left shift by default but you can change it, check your keybinds in settings under "CruiserXL"

[humble geyser]

this i did indeed see on thistles modpack, i'll look into it but i'm not sure why this is happening

i only set the velocities on Start() like zeekerss does

i don't know why it's spamming that though

oh

WAIT

i know what it is

haha, i can fix this

for some reason i was applying the trucks velocity to the player physics body

when i do not need to

[humble geyser]

fixed in 1.0.4 :3

[humble geyser]

i can add in something like the vanilla control tips in the top right if it would help people

i'm just not sure if i can make it use the key set in the users config

[formal whale]

I have to try it later today, I do drive a manual car irl so ..... Let's see how it goes

[humble geyser]

you'll probably be okay then if you know the basics

it's only a 4 speed

[formal whale]

Yeah, it would depend on how it translates to LC basically lmao

[rough garnet]

how can i tell what gear im in?

[humble geyser]

lol it'll be very.. subjective

[fervent timber]

For me trying to adapt to the controls is so weird

[humble geyser]

the position of the shifter

[rough garnet]

is it js something im gonna learn with time

[rough garnet]

gulp

[humble geyser]

first gear

second gear

third

[fervent timber]

Also the engine seeminly shuts itself off? lmao

[formal whale]

1. 3

2. 4

I assume

[humble geyser]

you stalled it

then fourth

[fervent timber]

Ugh I will never adapt to it

[humble geyser]

manuals are not for everyone

to prevent stalling give it a bit of gas when setting off

[formal whale]

That's manual cars, if you don't hit certain potency it stalls, that's the biggest nightmare for the novice 😔

[humble geyser]

my irl car is a manual hehe

[fervent timber]

Especially since I do not drive iRL

[humble geyser]

the clutch in my irl car is like

[fervent timber]

lmao

[humble geyser]

very precise

this manual system in lethal is very

simple

its very friendly to the keyboard

[fervent timber]

Oh yeah I suspected it's not as bad

[formal whale]

I'll hit you up when I try

Coming from a 2000's ford focus lol

[humble geyser]

in all honesty you don't really need to know exactly what gear you're in for the most part with this van, you just need to keep the revs up so you don't stall

and if you're losing speed on like, an incline, then obviously shift down so you have more torque

[formal whale]

you really thought of everything

[humble geyser]

anyways the shift pattern is like this

with the center being neutral

[formal whale]

My irl is a 5 one

[humble geyser]

i would of made it a 5 speed but i think 4 gears is fine considering the size of most maps in this game

i could add a 5 speed if i wanted

[formal whale]

Yeah yeah, you don't need 5 in LC anyway

There's no highway

[humble geyser]

unless you're using modded moons i s'pose

[formal whale]

(yet)

[humble geyser]

someone once said a 3 speed would probably be enough but i'd feel awkward having a 3 speed van

4 speeds seems a bit more "realistic" in my head

though i suppose 5 speeds would give more torque ranges

[formal whale]

mhm mhm

[humble geyser]

but then you're shifting more

[formal whale]

Well, if you're a bit afraid you can always stay on 2nd and 3rd

[humble geyser]

4 speed is probably the best balance

[formal whale]

And go everywhere like that

[humble geyser]

true

[formal whale]

4th is probably just good on a modded moon with longer roads

[humble geyser]

absolutely

i can change the final drive anyways

and the ratio of the gears

the settings i have are a bit wack

final drive of like 5.8 or something

[formal whale]

I would say wait until people get used to it, rn most of them are just confused but give it a week or two until people learn it

[humble geyser]

yeah that's fair, i don't really want to touch the gear system right now anyways

the spider web of animator transitions... urhghg...

[formal whale]

Yeah.....

[humble geyser]

i do playanimation in code for the shift up / shift down animation but its all the exit transitions

to go back to a different animations

[formal whale]

unity's animation events ..... the horror

[humble geyser]

unities animator

[formal whale]

😔

[humble geyser]

but it works in the end so i'm happy :)

the shift animations im very proud of

[formal whale]

yeah yeah, I can't wait to try later on tbh

[humble geyser]

i would like to add a player animation to the handbrake

but it's not urgent

or as noticeable for now

[humble geyser]

it's like when the cruiser first came out.. and nobody knew how to use it because the controls and shit they never encountered before

this is something new to most people, so it requires getting used to

[formal whale]

yep, or like LethalPhones on that same vein

[fervent timber]

Lethal Phones is way better than Walkies though especially if you don't wanna have Reserved Slots

[formal whale]

Being a bit clunky and inconvenient at first, because it kinda the "lethal company ' feeling

[humble geyser]

lethal phones seems awesome ive just not had a chance to use it in a session yet

[formal whale]

Basically a rotary cellphone, which is awesome

[humble geyser]

the cruiser was clunky and inconvient at first because it had to be driven everywhere, the visibility sucks and stuff like shifting gears requires taking eyes off the road to look at the gear you want to go in

[fervent timber]

with the Vanilla Utility Slot I ended up just dumping the use of Reserved, I did keep it around initially for Shovels but then we kept having issues with players seeing floating items and I was like "Yeah you know what Reserved doesn't feel as useful anymore"

[humble geyser]

and i do enjoy this specifically for the vanilla cruiser, it's subjective but it do fit into lethal company

it was literally a whole cargo van for $400, i don't really know what people were expecting when they bought it

[formal whale]

Also it's funny to see in 3rd person the employee trying to look at the gears

[humble geyser]

the fact it comes with a free warranty because "the company is confident in its durability" is already a massive red flag

it being so cheap is another one

[formal whale]

lmao

[humble geyser]

obviously that's not really the case now

it was made cheaper in v56 and ever since its been 370

and as of v70 the car is an indestructible tank

and as of v56 the car do be able to fly across the map which has been abused to all hell for ages

[humble geyser]

mine isn't much more expensive (440) but that's mainly because i know people would probably start rioting at me if i made it like 600-800 credits or something

and kinda going back to what turtle was indirectly telling me, this vehicular is not meant to be "superior to the cruiser" or "provide a load of benefits over it"

so i think 440 is a good price point

[formal whale]

I think it is a good tradeoff, taking into account that people need to learn how to drive again

[humble geyser]

lol true

[humble geyser]

its inbetween the hauler and the cruiser

the hauler do have a hefty 530 credit price tag

it used to be 600 iirc

i may raise it to 600 again with the rework but we will see

[humble geyser]

i have just realised that the keybind names aren't very clear

like "shift gear forward" should be shift gear up

but it did also have an automatic for a while, so yah

i will address this at some point 😵‍💫

anyways the van should be in a stable enough position for the meantime

if anyone encounters the animation bug with v1.0.3+ then please let me know and provide your log file!!

[dire vector]

I have been sitting at the company building trying to just drive the car for about 20 minutes now

10/10 mod lmao

[toxic girder]

same

the controls are something you have to get used to

[dire vector]

@humble geyser Does this mod require actual real life knowledge on how to drive a car?

Because I'm disabled and genuinely don't know how

[toxic girder]

i think the mod is causing the weird animation glitch

with the zoomed out terminal

[dire vector]

What does the hand brake even do

[toxic girder]

makes the car stop when you park it on a slope i guess

[dire vector]

Oh

[formal field]

hold shift while you try the ignition

then hold shift and use scroll wheel to shift gears

[toxic girder]

read the manual

[dire vector]

I have been reading it

I finally got the car to move but it keeps stalling

[toxic girder]

hold w longer

while pressing the clutch

then let go of it

i dont think you can damage the engine by doing that (which would be the case on an actual car)

[dire vector]

This is the bennet foddy of driving mechanics bro I swear to god

I'm acting like markiplier going like "no no no dear god dont drive there no" every few seconds

[toxic girder]

also it seems like you can start driving even in 4th gear

i think this car realistically only works well on moons that have roads

also i dont know if that is intentional but giants can still grab players inside

[humble geyser]

🤔 i dont think it is since i havent had this bug

[humble geyser]

you can yes but you dont have alot of torque

[humble geyser]

did you break the windshield

completely

breaking the windshield completely or having your door open can cause you to be grabbed

[toxic girder]

i dont think so

let me retest that

[humble geyser]

i tested giants before release and they worked just fine

and they only grabbed me if i opened a door or the windshield broke

in the cab anyways

same for old birds

[toxic girder]

i do test with imperium so that might mess with things

[humble geyser]

nah i use imperium too

although

did you spawn 2 of them

alot of functionality only works for one of them

since i cache a reference to it

[toxic girder]

no i only had one

[humble geyser]

windshield probably broke then 🤷

if there are no more stickers on the window then it indeed is gone

[humble geyser]

...i will admit that i am aware of this

i would say my arguement is if you're downloading this, then you're playing modded, go download some vehicle moons!!!

but like

that's a bad arguement

[toxic girder]

it is a really cool mod still

but very difficult to use

[humble geyser]

i'm sure you could get used to it with time

[toxic girder]

especially on slopes (which i guess is realistic for a manual car)

[humble geyser]

i gave it some "hill assist" on slopes

it'll help modulate the clutch and throttle on inclines

since keyboards are either on or off

in my case i can just say it's the employee doing the foot work

[humble geyser]

keep in mind my goal isn't fully realistic vehicle physics

that just isn't worth development time and especially when it wouldn't work well for gameplay

neither would people appreciate or notice it

which is why it's very simplified

[toxic girder]

yeah you could have made it a lot more difficult to use

[humble geyser]

this also has to work on keyboards anyways and vast majority of people don't want that level of realism

[toxic girder]

you can also just hold w and clutch and the car does not explode or anything

[humble geyser]

that would just be insanely dumb

because what if you're trying to modulate gas and clutch a little

what happens if you need to give more gas while feathering the clutch

i wouldn't do that

that's just too dumb

[toxic girder]

tested it again it seems to zoom out after entering the car for some reason

[humble geyser]

atleast "exploding in park" doesn't impede movement as it's stationary

[humble geyser]

i can't play this video

[toxic girder]

i know that would make it like impossible to use

[humble geyser]

it do not work for me

[toxic girder]

that is discord idk why that happens

[humble geyser]

nah i tried downloading it too

[toxic girder]

it works on mobile for whatever reason

[humble geyser]

anyways i'll see if i can get the "zoomed out" thing you're talking about

i may know what this is

we shall see

enter the car, get out and then terminal?

[toxic girder]

so what i did is

• spawn the scanvan -> check terminal (animation is fine) -> enter car -> leave car -> check terminal again

[humble geyser]

tried this

can't repo this

[toxic girder]

a lot of mods caused this bug in the past

[humble geyser]

terminal looks fine to me

[toxic girder]

could it be another mod

[humble geyser]

not sure, i can try resetting the stopanimationid on the interact trigger Interact event

i'll put it into scandals tweaks

probably more fitting there

[toxic girder]

because it does not happen with the vanilla cruiser

i know playzones slides used to cause that too

[humble geyser]

i'll push an update in Scandals tweaks since i think it's the fucking stop animation ID flag getting stuck again

yeah okay i think it is the stop animation ID thing

i'll put a patch in scandals tweaks

[toxic girder]

the truck works really well on demonmaes cruiser moons

[humble geyser]

figures

if you're going to use custom vehicles, i think having moons made for vehicles is probably ideal x3

[toxic girder]

also the amount of little details is insane

i like that you can see it on the radar map

[humble geyser]

the radar map is a nice touch yus

it always annoyed me in vanilla

that you couldnt see it

[toxic girder]

because when looking at the cruiser it looks like a bunch of items flying around

[humble geyser]

true lmao

pre v70 you could see the headlight glow

but that was it

oh and the back lights ig

[toxic girder]

that would be a cool addition for cruiserimproved

[humble geyser]

...i've thought about it

i added one to my v55 cruiser too

but i do need to update the radar map model for it

the v55 cruiser also has a destroyed icon that i might do something similar for on the scanvan

[toxic girder]

okay giants cant grab you

you were probably right about the windshield

[humble geyser]

you probably completely ruined the windshield before then

the windshield has 3 states

[toxic girder]

or maybe a window was open

[humble geyser]

window state doesnt affect it

[humble geyser]

no damage, shattered, and broken

so you do get a bit of a "buffer" before it gives in

shattered gives it a shattered texture effect

broken is when its missing completely

you cannot heal the windshield by reloading

the state is saved

if you lose it, you lose it on that van for as long as you keep it

[humble geyser]

a little but you don't need extensive knowledge

it's not completely realistic

it's like an arcade manual box

[toxic girder]

oh yeah i rewatched my pov i tried to do cruiser jump before which is why it broke

[humble geyser]

i nerfed the jump 😉

(i do not like cruiser jumping and i plan to remove it at some point)

but yes that would make sense

[toxic girder]

I think the compromise of being "invincible" but also it being hard to control is really good

[humble geyser]

you aren't "invincible" but with the enclosed roof and shit you are alot more sheltered and protected

[toxic girder]

i mean players only do jump because of giants

[humble geyser]

the back and cab protection are also seperate from one another

[humble geyser]

nah it's because it nulls the danger of the map

and it means they can get all the loot back in 2 nanoseconds super easily with no skill

the skill of the car comes in being able to manoeuvre it over terrain and avoid obstacles such as enemies and whatever else is in your path to victory

[toxic girder]

that too but whenever i drive on like dine for example it only becomes a problem when a giant is in the way

[humble geyser]

not memorising keybind jumps

[humble geyser]

dine is just a shit hole

it can literally spawn like up to 3 giants outside

[toxic girder]

because the cruiser just kills dogs

[toxic girder]

on art yeah

that jump is basically free

[humble geyser]

...and that's lame and not the point of the car

[toxic girder]

dine jump you need to practice a lot

[humble geyser]

the car was never meant to just be a nearly invincible flying machine

it was meant to solve the issue of the jetpack

now its just an op cheaper jetpack that carries inf amount of scrap

i don't know what zeekerss was thinking

at all

[toxic girder]

i think jetpacks should get some sort of buff again

[humble geyser]

cruiser needs a nerf in vanilla

and a big one at that

[toxic girder]

nerfing cruiser would make a large portion of the community not use it anymore

[humble geyser]

and that's okay

🤷

even if you JUST removed jumping from it, it'd still be really overpowered

[toxic girder]

i do like the cruiser as it is rn

[humble geyser]

i do not :(

it's so boring to use now

[toxic girder]

but i dont play on any moons where you use jump

[humble geyser]

it's kinda why i made this https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Scandal/Version55_Company_Cruiser/

-# i need to update this mod again but ahahrhhghg i can't be bothered right now but it do work

[toxic girder]

like for example on lithium which is a moon i frequently go to cruiser is perfect but also kinda risky

[humble geyser]

lithium has old birds right

i fixed old birds not seeing people in cars

:3

[toxic girder]

because old birds can grab you or bump you off the map

[humble geyser]

well they'll be more of a threat now since they'll barrage you with missiles

..if you use scandals tweaks anyways

[toxic girder]

is that even a bug?

[humble geyser]

yes

they cant see people in the cab

[toxic girder]

because they can land on you

[humble geyser]

old birds basically look for your feet

[toxic girder]

and grab you

[humble geyser]

yes they can but thats because they have different los in the air

but on the ground they dont aggro onto you in vanilla

[humble geyser]

which gets buried inbetween the car door and center console collider

i don't think you realise how much more of a threat they are with them being able to see you in cars

i've played around with it

a few times

[toxic girder]

i need to test that

[humble geyser]

...go embrion and pull the appy

:3

[toxic girder]

i think the reason so many like the cruiser is so you dont have to run back two handed items all the time

[humble geyser]

no people like it nowadays because they can abuse the jump feature

and use it like a jetpack

well maybe i shouldnt of said no

that is part of the reason

but the main reason is the above

[toxic girder]

well at least there are mods so we can choose how to play

[humble geyser]

that's fair but i am just talking in vanilla lel

[toxic girder]

there are a lot of bugs/mechanics that are controversial

cruiser balance def being one of them

tzp also dead because of it

i never see anyone use that

[dire vector]

Gotcha

Attempting to drive the scanvan kicked my ass

[humble geyser]

lol

it's a learning curve

[dire vector]

I really do like the mod though, I can see the appeal

[humble geyser]

as i've said here before it won't be for everyone and that's okay

[dire vector]

Yeeee :)

[humble geyser]

the manual is the biggest difference when compared to the driving vanilla cruiser

well i mean the whole car does feel different to drive, but the manual is the big point control wise

[humble geyser]

i do be glad to hear this ^^

[dire vector]

Yeeee

I gotta say

I was laughing my ass off at the automated voice

[humble geyser]

the voice alert is quite funny

[dire vector]

Especially for those first 30 minutes of just being stranded at the company building and trying to turn it on

[humble geyser]

if the hood is on fire it just has a chance to say "Your engine temperature is above normal"

or "Your engine is overheating"

[dire vector]

That's funny

[humble geyser]

the "mechanical issue" alerts are mostly just health warnings

the overheat ones are like the most critical ones (it randomises which one to play)

although oil pressure should realistically be.. but whatever

[humble geyser]

but this do give me an idea to add an overheat mechanic if you keep driving for too long at near crit hp

then i could have it say "your engine temp is above normal" and then later the hood catches on fire as health depletes and then it says it's overheating

anyways i will be pushing an update to scandals tweaks + the scanvan in a few minutes which should hopefully address the uh, terminal bug thing

1.0.7 of scandals tweaks pushed + 1.0.5 of the scanvan :3 any issues that arise let me know!!

i did not mean to put the tweaks and quality of life tag on the scanvan

urghghhdgfhgh

whatever i guess

[slim quail]

ignoring the use case of Drive players

be better scandal

[humble geyser]

...just put it in fourth and cruise

the 0 people that play drive are throwing tomatoes at me right now

[slim quail]

you dont get it

4 speed not enough

need 5 for drive

[humble geyser]

i'm actively avoiding another gear because the player animator for the shifter is a hellscape

[slim quail]

lol

[humble geyser]

it looks like a spider web with 40000 exit transitions

...i will probably add a 5 speed at some point in the future

but the gear ratios are going to be like

so close to each other

you'll be shifting so quick lmao

idk i'd have to see how it plays out

i would update the hate child (v55 car) but i'd rather just wait and see if i first of all fixed the animation bugs on the scanvan first

[fervent timber]

@humble geyser You really need to invert your changelog so the newest changes are at the top

XD

[humble geyser]

woopsie, will do next time, sorry!

[fervent timber]

You're all good just letting you know cus I too in the past did not do it and later regretted it and fixed it

LOL

[humble geyser]

i'll fix it when i need to push an actual update for either of my mods

[fervent timber]

Ye it's a useful change

[humble geyser]

corrected the changelogs

going to push an update for the v55 cruiser soon to address log spam + going to polish up the animation system

just need to rebundle the model

[humble geyser]

oh yeah and i'm going to address the v55 car being the wrong way on the magnet for clients upon reload

[humble geyser]

^ the hate child has been updated

also fixed the log warning spam

[autumn badge]

help me im dumb

i cant ignite the car :(

(not on fire hopefully)

[formal field]

hold left shift while you try the ignition

[autumn badge]

okay

[rough garnet]

hold shift (clutch) while turning the key

[autumn badge]

Thanks guys, it worked :D

[formal field]

you'll also need to hold shift to change gears

hold shift and scroll wheel

[humble geyser]

you aren't dumb, i did add a little hint when you try to start the car without the clutch

you can configure the clutch and other keybinds in your settings, if the defaults aren't suited to you

i do need to change some of the wording for the shift gear keybinds though

"shift gear forward" is shift gear up and "shift gear backwards" is shift gear down

they're just called that from when i still had an automatic in the car, and i just forgor to change them

[humble geyser]

disengage the parking brake too :p

[humble geyser]

i might have a hint on what might be causing the animation issues

and it seems it might have to do with disconnecting

which narrows it down

alot

[autumn badge]

After a hour of testing, i think that this mod is a very nice addition to the game.
But the only problem (idk if its fixable) is the car requiring a key spin when switching between gears, which sometimes takes a lot of time bc of confusion.
Also tysm for adding the wheel centering config, it made the gameplay way better :D

[humble geyser]

you need to use the clutch since you keep stalling

real manual cars do this

they just stall if you use no gas in gear

[autumn badge]

Oh ok :D

Thanks

[humble geyser]

Known Issues:

• Ghost Mommy from CodeRebirth breaks you while in the seats. This is not something on my end but rather something with CodeRebirth
• Controller inputs do not work properly (huge headache, not sure how to get around this)

[humble geyser]

you gotta practice clutch control etiquette, as per the manual 😉

don't worry, it's pretty straight forward

[autumn badge]

Okay :D

also i really like that the windows (at the doors) are able to be looked out of when the windsheilds are rolled down 🥹

its such a small detail but i love it!

[humble geyser]

i enjoy the small details

[humble geyser]

i.. mixed up the side door and rear door eva alerts

i'll fix this soon

i have pushed a quick patch to address the swapped alert noises

no fix for the dc issue yet.. midgame rn

[glacial geode]

@humble geyser How do you reverse? I've figured out everything else (I'm pretty sure). I love how this thing controls so far - I was driving it around a little. Just can't figure out how to reverse, haha.

[humble geyser]

put it in neutral

then shift back

the shift should go over to the right and down

i think you're stuck on something or on the magnet

you had it in reverse here

there's also reversing lights at the back

[glacial geode]

No I was near the main entrance on this moon

Oh

[humble geyser]

did you try lifting the clutch up

reverse do work for me

[glacial geode]

I'll try again I probably didn't lift the cluch up haha

LOL

Yeah I'm just stupid, I apologize
It's working. I just was holding shift when trying to back it up so that's why it wasn't letting me

This thing is soo weird to get the hang of but I love it. I love it so much. It was slightly frustrating but it's genuinely like, fun when you know what all you're supposed to do!

I really love driving the Cruiser and Hauler so this mod makes me squirm in excitement having a new vehicle to drive - with all the bells and whistles.
New animations, familiar radio songs, clunky mechanics. Oh it's soo good it tickles my brain 💕

[humble geyser]

i'm glad you like it ^^ and yeah it can be frustrating at first but it just takes getting used to like with most new things you encounter

[glacial geode]

Of course!!

The Company Cruiser frustrated me too at first. It's normal

But the things that frustrate me about it inevitably end up being some of the things I love most

[humble geyser]

another thing i need to add to the list of things to do.. make door alerts not requeue, haha

so currently i'm left with looking into the dc issue while seated and the door alert audio requeue

both of which should be easy to fix

[humble geyser]

also need to fix the cab light staying on on key removal

i'm... not sure why it stays on

oh yeah, another new issue i've just realised

upon reload if you had the engine on

it doesn't call the right method

wait, no, it is

it just

doesnt set the right triggers

if you stall it and restart it should fix it :p

i'll fix this later ^^

[unborn helm]

This mod is awesome! I genuinely love how interactable every part of the vehicle is. This mod is better than most games that center around cars and driving.

But I couldn't help but notice there a lack of a seat beat which is very dangerous, and I would hate for my fellow employee friends to get hurt because they suck. (This isn't a serious request and you've done a great job!)

[humble geyser]

Lapbelts are something I've wanted to implement ;)

especially since i just have this audio file laying uselessly rn

[humble geyser]

anyways i'm really glad to hear you enjoy it ^^

i was kinda just expecting everyone to see a stick shift and everyone would hate it and give up on it immediately 😅

glad it's not a total disaster

[high sky]

Me and Grighter are both having a blast with it, we aren't even car nerds but we can't help but geeked out with it! Easily the best mod that's been made for this game in a long long time! :}

[glacial geode]

Please add this if you can. I think this would be really nice.

[humble geyser]

lapbelts are an old type of seatbelt

they aren't as safe as modern three point ones

:3

one idea i had for a while is that in the event of a fatal collision it'd split you in half

like a barber does

[glacial geode]

LOL

YES

YES

[humble geyser]

also has anyone actually ran over their fellow coworkers yet

[unborn helm]

This would be awesome

[humble geyser]

because i think i made it so that if you run people over they explode into pieces like when a sapsucker kills you

[glacial geode]

WHAT??

[humble geyser]

maybe not explode but their body just gets split into pieces

lol

i mean idk a truck hitting you at moderate speed seems like it'd do some damage

you have to be like going fast enough

but you can just obliterate your fellow friends

into multiple pieces

[glacial geode]

I have nobody to play with. I've just been driving it in solo and having a lot of fun controlling it <3

[humble geyser]

aww, glad you're enjoying it anyways ^^

i'm currently just looking into fixing some stuff i noticed during a play session

[unborn helm]

Watching @high sky try to figure out how to drive and I may have dropped the manual between the seats

[humble geyser]

it'll be underneath car then i think

[unborn helm]

Oh

[humble geyser]

the item drop region only covers most of the back

i think..

maybe i did make it extend to the cab

i don't remember

[humble geyser]

okay no it is stuck between the seats then

lol

[unborn helm]

It's probably fine

[humble geyser]

i could try add some colliders to try prevent this

but i never counted on well

dropping items under the seats

lol

[humble geyser]

i kinda want to expand on solo stuff

like i made the scan node say something different if you're in solo

[high sky]

You've doomed us

[humble geyser]

i just like subtle stuff, and solo is very lonely and atmospheric

[humble geyser]

in my play session today i got someone behind the wheel who knows nothing about manual cars and has never driven the van before

there was alot

and i mean alot

of stalling

it was like watching a learner driver

was good fun though

[glacial geode]

I love that it starts beeping and shit when it's struck by lightning 😭

[humble geyser]

lol that's a random rare-ish chance

it's for any explosions

it's the alarm going off

it immobilises the ignition temporarily as well

[glacial geode]

Oh

[humble geyser]

when the alarm turns off you can start the car

[glacial geode]

Damn, alright!

[humble geyser]

the alarm can only go off if its not running

i might reduce the chance if its happening too often

since i don't want it common at all

it also attracts dogs

oh, i should probably make it so it can't go off when magnetised

i think that would be fair

having an alarm go off at like 8 pm would probably attract dogs to the ship lol

[glacial geode]

Yeah, that's true. That wouldn't be a bad addition

[humble geyser]

yeah i'll do that for 1.1.0

[glacial geode]

I could see that being an issue

[humble geyser]

alongside the other fixes

[glacial geode]

[humble geyser]

how have the animations been btw?

the only issue i'm aware of regarding them right now is disconnecting while seated

in my play session today the seats were fine otherwise

[glacial geode]

Everything has been working pretty much just fine

[humble geyser]

well that's good, i guess that just leaves the disconnect issue

which will be a weird one 2 figure out

might just be as simple as null checking something though

[glacial geode]

Yeah all the animations work just perfectly. The radio toggling, the gear shifting. It's all working good for me <3

[humble geyser]

that's awesomeous i'm glad me throwing shit at the wall actually stuck

[glacial geode]

BTW Just want to say how smooth this thing is to drive it's crazy. It actually feels surprisingly different to the Cruiser which I appreciate.

[humble geyser]

because i was just so out of ideas atp

[humble geyser]

yus it will feel different

it weighs more and has softer suspension

and has more bodyroll

[glacial geode]

Yeah I noticed that

It's really really nice

[humble geyser]

the cruiser literally weighs 200kg

my irl 2008 ford ka weighs 900kg

[glacial geode]

Oh

[humble geyser]

and this is basically what my car looks like

[glacial geode]

That's pretty light, damn

[humble geyser]

i drive an easter egg on wheels

[humble geyser]

indeed

[glacial geode]

LOL

[humble geyser]

i remember when i was really hesitant for a while to move away from having it feel nearly identical to the cruiser

i just thought people would hate it because they're only used to the cruiser

but i guess it has been working out pretty okay, i think i did what i thought was nearly impossible and struck a balance between gameplay and realism

[humble geyser]

this was when i was first developing the drivetrain system

[humble geyser]

and i'm really surprised how well the manual gearbox actually improves the cars driving characteristics

being able to choose your gear and having different torque ranges is actually really nice

the slushbox it had before was just kinda, sloppy and not really engaging

[glacial geode]

I'm really happy you decided to move away from the idea of it just being another "Cruiser" and instead it's another "Vehicle".

[humble geyser]

and the drivetrain calculation was a bit iffy and it gave more torque in higher gears

[humble geyser]

that was always kinda my goal

but i was just really hesitant to try new things

it is still undeniably a cruiser based vehicle but i tried to seperate it enough from the cruiser

if you drive this vehicle and then go to a cruiser it is noticeably different

by a long shot

[glacial geode]

I love the Hauler but it does kind of feel a little similar to the Cruiser now that I think about it - in the way it controls. I mean the handling is a lot different. Much more difficult to make turns. But the overall experience is generally the same with the Hauler.

But with the Scanvan I feel like I'm genuinely driving like, a whole new vehicle.

[humble geyser]

yeah the hauler kinda suffered the issue of reusing alot of base-game code

i'm not sure what direction i want to go with the hauler rework

physics wise

[glacial geode]

I'm not even trying to throw shade on the Hauler I genuinely love it so much it just does feel kind of similar to the Cruiser after I've driven the Scanvan.

[humble geyser]

no believe me you're not wrong

for the most part it just

used alot of cruiser code

[glacial geode]

Yeah, that makes sense then

[humble geyser]

with the rework i'm doing for it i'm debating what level of "realism" i want to do for it

[glacial geode]

Wait

Did you make the Hauler?

[humble geyser]

no

glojam did

but i'm reworking it

[glacial geode]

Wdym?

Oh are you like

[humble geyser]

everything except the model is being redone from the ground up

the model did get alot of touch up and shit though

to make it look nicer, and i fixed a bunch of issues with it

[glacial geode]

I love the model. I assume you're just making it control different like what you did with the Scanvan?

[humble geyser]

i'm not sure yet

[glacial geode]

Oh is that the new model??

[humble geyser]

the hauler is the first vehicle i gave the smooth steering system to that i then put into the scanvan as well

so that'll probably stay

no

i took the old model

fixed it up

and then made a bunch of changes to it

i also fixed some issues with the textures like the normal maps being set wrong

which made it look weird

[glacial geode]

Oh shit sorry I misread what you said before

[humble geyser]

lol nw

i don't know how much of a difference you can tell but this is the original

the biggest change was lowering the hood so there's more visibilty out the windshield

[glacial geode]

No I could definitely tell something was different. I've used the Hauler quite a lot since it's the only vehicle mod I know of that adds like, a completely new vehicle other than the Scanvan now.

[humble geyser]

the steering wheel i modelled for the hauler but i also put it in the scanvan since it seemed fitting

since the scanvan is also meant to be based on GM-chevy/gmc vehicles

i'm thinking that i might put the hauler under the JMC/Vandal Electronics group

:3

[glacial geode]

That would be cool!

The interior looks soo nice

[humble geyser]

new seat textures

cloth seats 🔥 🔥

epitome of luxury

[glacial geode]

The Company is spoiling the employees now

[humble geyser]

true..

[glacial geode]

All that for only 530 credits btw

[humble geyser]

cloth seats for 530 credits count me in

going to add heated seats to the hauler and if you leave them on too long your fellow coworker catches on fire and turns into a charred corpse very quickly

in a big puff of flames

then the fire goes out

[glacial geode]

LOL

Are you serious???

[humble geyser]

nah

[glacial geode]

That would be so funny

[humble geyser]

lol

i could

[glacial geode]

I really like stupid shit like that. It's really hilarious that the sunroof can kill you

[humble geyser]

vandal electronics promised heated seats but what they never told you is that they're not actually very good with electronics so there's just straight 12volts pumping through the heated seats which burns up everything around it

the sunroof is a good touch

and it snipping you in half

[glacial geode]

[humble geyser]

i would like to make you susceptible to giants and stuff if the sunroof is open

i will also do like what i did on the scanvan and make it so if the windshield is gone you also become susceptible to those enemies

[glacial geode]

Is the Cruiser like that? Or is that custom to the Scanvan?

[humble geyser]

the cruiser doesn't even have an enclosed roof

cruiser can break the windshield but it has no effect on enemy protection

[glacial geode]

Oh yeah LOL

[humble geyser]

the issue with the cruiser is that zeeks added "back compartment protection" but it extends to the whole trucks bounds

[glacial geode]

I never have creatures get to me in the cruiser

[humble geyser]

which ends up shielding seated players if the back is shut

you can stand on the roof and as long as the truck doesn't flip over or tilt too much, and the back door is shut, you'll be safe

same for sitting in the cab, since you're in the physics region

[glacial geode]

So, the protection is only valid if the backdoor is shut?

[humble geyser]

yes, and if the truck isn't tilted more than 32 degrees

[glacial geode]

Wtf?

[humble geyser]

you have to be considered parented to it, and you can only be parented if its not tilted more than 32 degrees

[glacial geode]

That's a weird oversight

[humble geyser]

its not an oversight

[glacial geode]

Oh

[humble geyser]

its how physics region works

if the physics region never disabled past a certain point you'd end up staying stuck to the roof of the car while it's up side down

[glacial geode]

OH. Yeah, that wouldn't be good LOL

[humble geyser]

but zeeks checks if you're parented to it anyways and that is only valid when the truck isn't flipped over

which can mean

if a giant flips the car around enough for long enough to disable the physics region

you become vulnerable

for that time period

this is why giants "cant" grab you

if you open the backdoor all protection is null and void

[glacial geode]

BTW Scandal I have a question

[humble geyser]

go ahead

[glacial geode]

The first time I ordered a Scanvan, it came branded white with "JcJenson" logo. Is that just an easter egg?

[humble geyser]

yes

its a 9% chance

copper 9 funny

[glacial geode]

I was laughing my ass off when me and my boyfriend were playing I was like "isn't that the murder drones company??"

[humble geyser]

it also has yellow dashboard lighting

[humble geyser]

it is indeed

the idea is that JMC is the JcJenson motor corp

the window stickers also have a bunch of small murder drones references :p

[glacial geode]

That's cute <3

[humble geyser]

you can also see JCJenson motor divison in the manual

[glacial geode]

Yeah, I noticed that when going through the manual

[humble geyser]

lmao

i might make the jcjenson one more durable

[glacial geode]

Why is that?

[humble geyser]

for a while the normal variant and jcjenson one had seperate music tracks (it was all copyrighted) but i had to remove those for obvious reasons

[humble geyser]

fun

[glacial geode]

Oh

[humble geyser]

9% chance for a slightly more durable one

[glacial geode]

It's cool you made it have all those differences

[humble geyser]

all the dash lighting is yellow too and there's a worker drone symbol on the dashboard :p

some of the written messages displayed on the dash are different too

[glacial geode]

DUDE I love that

[humble geyser]

like upon startup it'll say "SYS STATUS: [BOOTING]"

[glacial geode]

I only got it once so I didn't get the chance to see all those little details. But that's awesome!

[wispy nacelle]

I still have no idea how to use the gear shifts :,]

[humble geyser]

i'll find the pic in a minute

[humble geyser]

clutch down

shift to gear

clutch up

if you're setting off give some gas before lifting the clutch

otherwise it'll just stall

you can rebind stuff in your keybinds

left shift is clutch by default

mouse wheel mouse down to change up/down gears

[wispy nacelle]

I think this is not working for me :,]

I was using the mouse wheel

[glacial geode]

You should include those keybinds in the description of the mod. It helps me when I see modders describe the keybinds for their mod if it adds any custom ones <3

[humble geyser]

might be worth changing your binds then if the defaults aren't working for you

[humble geyser]

good idea, will do for 1.1.0

[glacial geode]

I love this ^^

I love that you added all those small MD details into the JcJenson variant

[wispy nacelle]

will check. also, is it known that the car appears besides the ship when it's being brought by the sropship on Experimentation?

[glacial geode]

Me and my little sister are Murder Drones fans so that's really fun to see

[humble geyser]

does it tp to the right spot upon release

i had this issue during my play session so its on my radar to look into

[wispy nacelle]

yes, it's just visual

[humble geyser]

but during all my testing it was being delivered fine, so idk why it was happening

[glacial geode]

Oh yeah I noticed that too. The Scanvan doesn't appear where it's supposed to be when it's being delivered.

[humble geyser]

i will be indeed looking into this

let me see how i handle the v55 cruiser because i swear that works

[glacial geode]

I don't know where it actually is but when it's playing the animation where it's dropping the Scanvan, it doesn't appear for me until it's like actually dropped into the gamespace.

[humble geyser]

yeah i'm very aware of this lol

[glacial geode]

Oh, alright

[humble geyser]

happened during our play session

[glacial geode]

Yeah just a minor visual bug it doesn't affect gameplay

[humble geyser]

i do not do anything different between the two

great

this will be

fun to figure out

unles

unless

i might know what it is, infact

this may be easily fixable

...maybe

[wispy nacelle]

managed to make it work

[humble geyser]

the shift?

[wispy nacelle]

yup

[humble geyser]

it's all a learning process

[glacial geode]

^^

[humble geyser]

i would like to add gear crunching noises

i should probably also get rid of the transmission fluid warning

since it's not an automatic

time to nuke my pc by launching 3 lan instances

[humble geyser]

it happens all the time right

i think i may be able to fix this

pretty easily

okay, i managed to repo the dc issues, i can look into this now :)

[fallow perch]

SCANVANNNNN

https://tenor.com/view/pim-smiling-friends-screaming-i-love-kids-gif-12944164380571018988

[glacial geode]

Scanvan of pain and agony

[humble geyser]

you can shift into a higher gear :3

the bees

i do need to add protection against them...

just keep forgetting

[glacial geode]

Your bees are in the ignition

[humble geyser]

true!

[glacial geode]

What do the different gears do?

[humble geyser]

i love that you stalled it and just sat there and accepted fate while screaming

[humble geyser]

a higher gear allows you to go faster

but it provides less torque

lower gears are slower but have more torque

[glacial geode]

😭

[humble geyser]

each gear is what limits the speed of the car

[humble geyser]

the way the body falls out the car omfg LMFAOO

[humble geyser]

fourth gear is the highest gear and allows you to reach top speed

but it has the lowest torque of all the gears

[humble geyser]

lower gears are better for like climbing steep hills

[glacial geode]

I'm gonna post this in clips channel this is really funny. Thanks for telling me about the different gears <3

[humble geyser]

higher gears are better for going faster, duh

[humble geyser]

nw!

it's a 4 forward speed manual

you were in first gear there

[glacial geode]

Oh, is that why it was so slow???

[humble geyser]

yes

you need to shift up

[glacial geode]

LOL

[humble geyser]

i did not make a truck that only does like 30 mph

[glacial geode]

Alright

[humble geyser]

💀

[glacial geode]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[humble geyser]

this vehicular is alot more capable than that

hehe

[glacial geode]

Scanvan my beloved <3

[humble geyser]

the speedometer tops out about here

it's not an accurate reading but i'm just showing how much more the car can do lol

the middle gauge is your engine speed/tachometer/engine rpm

[swift condor]

hi me and my friends started playing this mod, but our only complaint was when the car comes to a complete stop, you have to start the car again

[humble geyser]

clutch in

you stalled in

you can't just brake without using the clutch when coming to a stop in a manual car

it will stall

[north pine]

manul car

[swift condor]

how do i clutch in, by holding space?

not space, shift?

[humble geyser]

clutch is left shift by default

the clutch allows you to change to different gears

but yes

it would probably help x3

since the brakes are powerful and there's no ABS the wheels lock up

when the wheels are locked up the gearbox can't turn the wheels

and since it's connected to the engine when the clutch isn't pressed, it just dies

the brakes overpower the engine, pretty much all the time

it's like this in the real world too :3

[swift condor]

oh ok

[humble geyser]

you can also be more careful on the brakes

if you just need to slow down a bit

but you will need to clutch in at some point if you're not in neutral

hope this helps ^^

mkay, i think i've narrowed down the weird animation bug with dcing

i believe it's localPlayerController going null during exiting the game

[swift condor]

also i was wondering if there was a way to mute or turn off the loud voice

[humble geyser]

the eva cannot be turned off

[glacial geode]

😭

[humble geyser]

you couldn't turn them off on the real chrysler cars ;)

[swift condor]

can you make that a thing?

[humble geyser]

i'll think about it

[glacial geode]

No please don't

[humble geyser]

but it do be part of the experience

[glacial geode]

Let this plague the community

[humble geyser]

if you comply with it the only thing you'll ever hear is all monitored systems are functioning :)

[glacial geode]

^^

True

[swift condor]

please make it a thing though

[humble geyser]

i'll think about it, one thing i was kinda tempted to do was add a user config volume slider

since it is a bit loud and the real evas weren't that loud

https://youtu.be/Z3YddnPHFxY?t=14

for example

[glacial geode]

I really love this voice

It's fitting for this vehicle

[humble geyser]

it's my favourite version of the talking car

a few other companies also had talking cars at the time but they were no where near as good as chryslers

chrysler also used speech synthesis like speak and spells at the time

so it was a bit more advanced

it could also lower the radio volume and such

and raise it after it was done talking

oldsmobile had some spoken messages on certain models but there's like no videos of them

chrysler also had the eva in other languages but like

they're stupid rare to find footage of

[swift condor]

if you are making a user config thingy can you also make it so you can change how complicated the car is to drive cause some of my friends are slow

[humble geyser]

i don't really have any interest in giving the car arcade controls, sorry

[glacial geode]

This mod might not be for you then

[swift condor]

i mean like cruiser complicated

[humble geyser]

what exactly are you struggling with?

[swift condor]

just having to deal with the clutch

[humble geyser]

most people will say manual is complicated until they learn it 😉

that's just part of the manual experience, i'm afraid

[swift condor]

k

[humble geyser]

i added a bunch of assists into it and made it really easy to use on keyboard

it's probably the most user friendly clutch on any vehicle in a game that i've ever used

the clutch is something you can get used to with time ^^

[glacial geode]

Learning to drive manual has been fun

Manul

[humble geyser]

and by time i don't mean an overly long period of time of course it's not going to take months like irl for some people

true..

on an irl car you have to deal with the biting point of the car, not giving too much gas, modulating your pedals under certain conditions, trying to keep the ride smooth and not juddery

i barely have any of this

some of it i don't have at all

[swift condor]

are you going to be making anymore vehicles?

[humble geyser]

that's the plan!

[swift condor]

what do you have in mind?

[humble geyser]

i want to make something like this hunk of metal on wheels

an 8 seater oldsmobile custom cruiser wagon

rear facing third row seats

a big floaty unrefined diesel engine

[swift condor]

have you started on this?

[humble geyser]

anyways i still have the hauler to work on

i begun modelling it but its very early stages x3

[swift condor]

can i see?

[humble geyser]

there isn't much to see right now but sure, let me open my blender file

i'm mainly making a basic simplified model first that i can detail later

[north pine]

still sad about the tiny vehicle being scrapped :c

[north pine]

sounded so cool

[humble geyser]

it's very not complete :p

[north pine]

really cool idea

[swift condor]

which one are you making rn

[humble geyser]

ignore the car on the left

[swift condor]

or which one was the hauler

[humble geyser]

it's the big wagon on the right

[swift condor]

oh ok

[humble geyser]

the hauler is the black pickup truck

i'm reworking it

[swift condor]

oh you made that one

[humble geyser]

no

glojam did

but i offered to kind of take over it and rework the whole thing

[swift condor]

bro i remeber when we tried that mod and my friends got in the back and the thing started to ascend

[north pine]

will you get a patch to have hauler work in v80?

[humble geyser]

glojam will have to do that on his end

all the original files he sent me are completely broken and having missing assets, so he'll have to do a quick patch for v80 in the meanwhile

[humble geyser]

yeah that won't happen when i'm done with it

[swift condor]

how long till hauler comes out

4month?

[humble geyser]

i already worked out a physics solution on the scanvan :3

i dunno

[fallow perch]

would go so hard on long drives dude

[humble geyser]

no i don't set etas

the hauler needs alot 😭

[fallow perch]

should have an entertainment system on the roof so people in the back get television access hahaha

[humble geyser]

keep in mind this van alone took me well over a year

[swift condor]

damn

[humble geyser]

sure i wasn't working on it 24/7 for a whole year+ but still

i don't think the hauler will take that long but

college break is up so i'm probably not going to have as much time to dedicate to working on stuff

i do want to lock in for the last 2 months that i'm at college for

i don't have much course work left to do

it's just... a-lot of writing.. on paper.. which i hate

[swift condor]

good luck man

[humble geyser]

oh woah i just found like

a ton of spanish chrysler eva videos

[visual nest]

hey @humble geyser the vehicle seems to be stalling a bit too easily

[humble geyser]

the stall threshold is basically idle rpm

i don't know how exactly you're driving like

if you hit stuff and come to a dead stop its going to stall yes

if you're in too high of a gear for the speed it will also stall

there is also an internal stall timer

that ticks down

[visual nest]

oh shit thats a bit rough. bc i need to back up on the company building and it keeps stalling too much

[humble geyser]

idk man if you hit a brick wall irl your car would also stall

[visual nest]

i think the vehicle is a bit too complicated for lethal company

[humble geyser]

there's not really anything i can do about regarding hitting walls and coming to dead stops immediately

[humble geyser]

then it might not be for you, i'm afraid

[visual nest]

yea

ur prob rihht

[humble geyser]

some people will adapt really easily some won't

it's just like manuals and automatics irl

everyone thought the cruiser was overcomplicated when it came out

[rough garnet]

what’s wrong with it exactly?
the glojam version def needed some physics changed but idk what else haha

[humble geyser]

now people have mastered it beyond belief

[humble geyser]

i'm reworking all the animations

code

etc

[rough garnet]

didn’t it alr have custom animations?

[humble geyser]

yes but some of the anims were a bit scuffy

i'm not a great animator but i feel like i can do a bit better

plus the steering animation for example was still the cruisers and didn't align with the steering wheel

i'm not aiming for perfect i'm just aiming for "acceptable"

in regards to animations

i also have some fun ideas like the passenger having their feet kicked up on the dash when sat down

although on second thought maybe not because of the glovebox

man i think of something vaguely cool and then something else has to ruin it

curse you glovebox

[visual nest]

have it be an option to but ur feet up by pressin a button

[humble geyser]

it do be something of a learning curve

this clutch model i've made is overly simplified

and extremely forgiving

you can ride the clutch and do all sorts of funky shit that an irl car would fucking hate

[rough garnet]

the animations for the scanvan were pretty fire so i have hope

[humble geyser]

the pain and suffering and agony i felt making those

🥲

[rough garnet]

like that radio animation was cool

[humble geyser]

and i had plans to make more 😭

i may still do if i find the time for it

[rough garnet]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEx8G9WasAEMukt.webp

[humble geyser]

alright, i think 1.1.0 might be ready if this test proves successful

yeah okay of course i get the same problem

😵‍💫

well that confirms the player isn't null

[unborn helm]

I have no clue if I can post clips there, but we had a really funny encounter (If you want me to get rid of this I can)

[humble geyser]

i absolutely do not mind

[humble geyser]

lmao

i will look into this

maybe my patch for the big cats isn't working

i tried to make it so they won't target you if you're in the cab

but maybe it doesn't work