V.E. Scanvan Thread! (and any other of my vehicles)

[humble geyser]

hdrp cameras are very expensive

i'll apply the same optimisations on my truck to the overhaul of the hauler

[cloud veldt]

is this fps drop alleviated when you turn the mirror config off?

[odd niche]

idk didn't try without them yet

but i'll check it out for sure 👍

[cloud veldt]

i nerfed the hdrp camera mirrors in multiple ways but i feel like it may be inevitable that they cause lag

[humble geyser]

believe me it will be lol

[humble geyser]

my trucks main optimisations are:

only rendering mirrors at a fixed framerate
only rendering mirrors the player can actually see
only rendering when sat in the cab

it's something i will also apply to the Hauler

they also only render one after another

rather than at the same time

[humble geyser]

i have a rough idea on how to "mostly" handle host player on vehicle collisions that might fix some issues with the host and like, being in the cab for example

going to give it a shot, shouldn't be too hacky

[humble geyser]

oh yeah, seems like its working

host can't exactly push the truck anymore

the backdoor bug might require something else though

[humble geyser]

cracked windshield mat

doing code cleanup and model cleanup

so ignore the missing roof lmao

[cobalt crane]

gem alert

[humble geyser]

huh?

[golden meteor]

Coal alert

[humble geyser]

so i somehow made it that inserting the key into the ignition crashes the game

hmmmmmmmm

[indigo coyote]

transfers all energy to the vehicle

[humble geyser]

okay fixed that one, lmao

[humble geyser]

muh mirrors vanished

i've also finally added the ability to leave the middle passenger seat from either the drivers side or passenger side

[humble geyser]

i actually dont possibly know where they could of went or why they now vanish

wait no thats a lie i do know why

[mortal owl]

https://tenor.com/view/gem-alert-gif-14590606955304525995

[median crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1375163207936770098/1470818320814047374/togif.gif

[remote raft]

Who nose what that thing sticking through the glass of the magnifying glass is?

[odd niche]

DDDAAAAAAAAMN

[humble geyser]

tweaked the glass cracked mat slightly

also got it to work properly ingame

so that's neat

hmm

maybe it doesn't look as good as i had hoped

[humble geyser]

might have something better in a mo' :p

[north pine]

I didnt even noticed it till i read what you said

Should prob be way more noticeable

Even if its not as realistic

Or maybe could have different levels of broken??

If thats even possible

[humble geyser]

i know, i've been trying to get it more noticeable, but it's not really going the way i want
i'm going to try a new texture

[humble geyser]

i thought about this but i really can't be bothered

i just want it so that the windshield doesn't vanish into thin air

because

1. i like having the windshield
2. car windshields are laminated irl

[north pine]

Fair

Your car

One day will see the light of day 🙏

[humble geyser]

one day

i haven't had to really fix, well, anything recently

had a 4hr+ play session with my group a few nights ago, and nothing bad came up with the truck

so i was happy

i did address the host player vehicle physics jank stuff, but that was something i wasnt sure on how to fix before

but my solution is pretty solid

oh, i know one thing i need to do is in regards to the forces applied to players riding on the truck

much better me thinks

[humble geyser]

was just thinking about this

maybe i could have

shattered windshield --> windshield completely breaks/disappears

something basic

doesn't have to be realistic I guess

however as a consequence for it disappearing completely I might make it so giants and old birds can grab you

I think that's reasonable punishment for being too fast :3

[humble geyser]

friend suggested that the heater should be ineffective too, so I'll definitely do that too

[odd niche]

this looks peak honestly, the work you put into this truck really shows everytime i check back on the thread

[humble geyser]

• added windshield shattering then windshield breaking entirely if in a serious collision again (with the addition of giants and old birds being able to grab you if its broken entirely), heater is also ineffective with a missing windshield
• fixed windshield break sound never playing

[humble geyser]

oh, new issue, rear door colliders well, dont stop players going through them

should be easy to fix, i think i know what it is

[humble geyser]

feexed

[humble geyser]

hopefully fixed some logic with the fox protection 🥴
as far as i can tell, the fox is only ever owned by the host, which meant my protection only worked on the host, woopsies

i had a few ideas on how to go about it, i've settled for checking closest point with a cooldown interval of 0.25

also the giant kiwi can also now damage you in the van if the windshield is broken, joyous

[humble geyser]

okay no the fox protection is COMPLETELY broken

[humble geyser]

okay, imperium was breaking it

and scratch the uh, closest point thing, i have another idea in mind

[odd niche]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lethal-company-death-is-coming-nHNNjxcRCUck9Z3Uta

[visual nest]

Hey @humble geyser how goes the mod?

Any chance its test-ready yet?

[humble geyser]

i honestly couldn't tell you

[humble geyser]

it's good

i need to do some compatibility stuff for the most part now

I haven't touched it today tbh, been out the house pretty much all day today; college, fixing a broken speaker wire on my car (all the door card had to come out and shit), and I had some other shit to do

I've only really just got home

[brittle gorge]

Explode

[rough garnet]

how’s that hauler revamp going 👀

[arctic ocean]

what... it's liberalfucker12...

hai...

[rough garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-hi-sponegbob-wave-sponebob-hello-gif-4242335032909754523

[humble geyser]

haven't really been on my computer for a few days

[humble geyser]

currently working on getting the Hauler "somewhat working" ingame, somewhat implemented the drivers seat and some networking stuff

still need to figure out if i can limit the suspension bump stop force going beserk, since it can send the truck really skyhigh

not ideal

the radio also works because that's just obligatory

[cold dune]

self destruct button

[humble geyser]

i think i worked out a half decent solution for suspension bump stops

its not as springy as i would of hoped, but it should work for gameplay

it seems to counteract penetration force from the wheel going into the ground pretty well

but its not overly harsh

although i don't want to speak too soon and find out that a small bump will cause it to skyrocket into the air

[cold dune]

i had an idea

normal levels of suspension

[humble geyser]

the american patriot special

[humble geyser]

well, we're getting somewhere, maybe

it's looking nice, though

the front seats need moving back since the player otherwise sits way too far forward lol

the oxygen tanks take up alotta space, forgot about that tbh

the truck also hasn't immediately flown into space from breathing on it, so i'd say it's already an improvement over the current one physics wise

i do need to adjust the tyre grip since it feels way too loose in the rear end

it doesn't feel like it's putting power down properly

[fast flower]

I do wonder, would it ever be a possibility to have a second magnet to carry a second vehicle?

just theoretically

is it a thing that could even be done

[flint prawn]

I think DawnLib was looking into that for vehicles

idk if it was done/how it would work

[fast flower]

all I can imagine is pushing the exitsing ones furrther back onto the ship

if in this case we wanted to keep them both on the same side

[humble geyser]

dawnlib has this as a feature

but currently i'm coding this as a vehicle for LLL

maybe in the future i'll switch this over

[humble geyser]

it's basically a placeable ship object

"stations" dawnlib calls them

[fast flower]

now im wondering how youd make them fit without looking weird XD

or getting in the way

[humble geyser]

i have no idea

[fast flower]

id work on like

one of the ship mods

especially wider

[prime canyon]

maybe have a magnet on top?

[humble geyser]

and how on earth would you get the car up and down

[prime canyon]

cruiser boost 👍

[humble geyser]

the hauler can't fly

you can't use turbo boost in the hauler

[fast flower]

only idea for 2 is both on the same side as the cruiser normally is

[humble geyser]

and not every custom vehicle will have boost

[prime canyon]

thats why the hauler is on the side and the cruiser is on top

[fast flower]

cruiser pushed beck closer to the back of the ship

[humble geyser]

anyways this sort of stuff is not something i'm going to be looking into right now

[fast flower]

on the other hand for a more convenient way, have the magnet have a terminal

that lets you select

which vehicle

[humble geyser]

currently the hauler inherits VehicleController so it kinda has to use the base game magnet

[humble geyser]

ive mentioned this before

[fast flower]

thats prob the most realistic/practical way to do it

[humble geyser]

it's not the most realistic but it's probably the best for gameplay and is more "simpler" to implement

[fast flower]

Thats what I meant by realistic

realistic in terms of

[humble geyser]

i also thought that any vehicles you select in the garage could be delivered by dropship at no cost

[fast flower]

actually getting made

[humble geyser]

as for storing a vehicle, idk, maybe just leave it behind at gordion or the terminal just despawns it

[fast flower]

I just imagined like the suit pages mod

just instantly swaps to the next one

when you press the button

[humble geyser]

if i convert the hauler to dawnlib then yes it will come with its own "magnet" station and you will be able to have a cruiser and a hauler

but for now its just one or the other

[prime canyon]

fear not i have a solution

behold

the vehicle windmill of terror and despair

[fast flower]

can wait to loose my cruiser when landing on some moons XD

[odd niche]

yes

[odd niche]

me being a user of both Cruiser and Hauler in sessions with the boys, i usually order either one i think would be fun to mess with without really caring for the fact the other one is not available

[humble geyser]

this is great lmfao

[cobalt crane]

this looks like a troll physics sketch

[mint warren]

a... pocket garage

[mint warren]

@willow charm remember this

[cold dune]

hrmmm… hmmm….

[humble geyser]

would be kinda like gta

[mortal owl]

carousel of cruiser

[brittle gorge]

Imagine a version of the cruiser that has like a mini Ferris wheel on the back. Each bucket holds like one 2 handed scrap or like 2 - 5 (I would choose 3) one handed scrap.

[arctic ocean]

they can add it to bozoros and call it the clown car

[humble geyser]

clown cruiser

[odd niche]

clown car..?

[humble geyser]

progress on the Company Hauler is going great

[flint prawn]

I see no issues here

[north pine]

thats how the moon landing went

[prime canyon]

That's a very funky lookin washing machine

[slim quail]

temporal disturbance

[humble geyser]

feeling good, got some anti-slide slip implemented into the wheel (so it doesn't slowly slide down cliffs when parked)

well, do need to test this a bit further

before i speak too soon

i eat my own words, man, this shits a pain up the ass

[odd niche]

looks fine to me

[mint warren]

looks like a fine to me

[gentle trout]

https://tenor.com/view/hellinheavns-gif-19689034

[mint warren]

WHO INVITED YOU HERE

GET OUT

GE FUCKING OUT

[gentle trout]

alwaes worching.....................................

[humble geyser]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Scandal/Version55_Company_Cruiser/

enjoy

any issues let me know!!

forgot to mention betteremotes is obviously incompatible

[cold dune]

is advanced company incompatible

[humble geyser]

we don't speak of that name round here

🥴

basically most mods that touch the vanilla cc + betteremotes will not work with this masterpiece

[slim quail]

mmmmm more tweak mod

[humble geyser]

it replaces the vanilla ccs prefab + clipboard manual

[slim quail]

what do these two do

[humble geyser]

fix untaggables is from cruiserimproved, but it just basically prevents an interact prompt from "ghosting"/carrying over untagged colliders

resizing the players animator hash is used when syncing the players animator, uh, i forgot the name, like the list/order

one of my vehicles had more layers than the normal animator

so it just broke without that

[slim quail]

oh so it prevents animation desync or something

[humble geyser]

basically

i don't even use that system anymore, but it's just there, just incase

[slim quail]

cool

[humble geyser]

more dependancies!!

i was debating whether to put proper photos in the description, but tbh i just don't see the point

it looks almost identical to a normal company cruiser

you kinda just get what it says in the title

[odd niche]

I'm gonna be signing a new bill that forces every public modpack to have this mod installed, or else they'll be subjected to 35% tarrifs

[humble geyser]

the ultimate cruiser driver torture method

company approved

this thing is an absolute hunking unit

prepare for death

and lots of it

[odd niche]

I hope this genuinely is the same cruiser as v55 though

[humble geyser]

it's as close as you'll get in present day

it drives basically exactly the same

its an unstable mess

there are some slight differences (that i made on my own accord)

that i feel fit with the overall theme of this vehicle

[odd niche]

Such as?

(please not the right side being the driver side)

[humble geyser]

the front wheels match the steering wheels full animation, which means the car feels heavier to steer

there is a right hand drive variant

its just random chance whether you get it

thats one of the few things that "isnt pure v55"

[odd niche]

https://giphy.com/gifs/worldweatherru-brazil-gEYaB9WeepbBcj1LJs

[humble geyser]

but its a fun gimmick and "doesnt feel too out of line" imo

its just flipping round assets, for the most part

[humble geyser]

there's still a left hand variant lmao

the chance is seeded, so it genuinely just is random

[odd niche]

Just like in real life

[humble geyser]

eh, not entirely

[odd niche]

"dude this is just like team fortress 2"

[humble geyser]

most vehicles you buy in your country will probably have the wheel on the usual side your country drives on

unless you're buying say, an import car

(i.e. JDM in a left hand country)

or USDM in a right hand country

etc etc

[odd niche]

Oh boy i sure do hope my car isn't british

The car

[humble geyser]

the right hand drive cruiser drives exactly the same as the left hand one

[odd niche]

Does it?

[humble geyser]

yes

the physics are unchanged between the two

lol

it'll "just feel weird" because you're obviously so used to left hand

[odd niche]

Well that's true

[humble geyser]

and it's not just lethal company, a vast majority of videogames with vehicles are left hand drive

since thats the most common type

[humble geyser]

it has come through on Gale by the look of it :3

[fast flower]

is the tweak mod something I should grab as a player or is it more a dev or dependacy thing

[humble geyser]

you can grab it as a player, it has a utility which might be handy for devs (may expand upon later); it is also a dependancy of my stuff

up to you

[fast flower]

I meant more, are they like fixes a player would notice

like one of the many fix mods from buttery

for example

[humble geyser]

maybe maybe not

they're kinda small

i just didn't feel like adding them into each seperate vehicle

[fast flower]

hm

[humble geyser]

these aren't all "fixes"

some are just "tweaks"

i.e. the terminal node text

[north pine]

omg scandal you finally released a mod!!!! so happy! congrats :3

[humble geyser]

weirdly nerve racking it was

[humble geyser]

the external forces thing should prevent being catapulted sometimes when leaving a vehicle, because you built up an enormous amount of force and it never decays when in a special animation

anything else i feel that could be useful elsewhere, i'll chuck into this mod

or if its something that would otherwise just be copy pasted from mod to mod

on another note, i'm happy i finally released misery upon the world, in the form of a red truck

it's really safe, i promise <3

it should be mostly "bug free"

some jank is intentional, though

the cruiser, as intended, as it should have always been 🥴

i'll be honest i kind of forgot to test my updated player zone system, so i'm hoping that isn't problematic atm

i'll push a patch out as soon as i can

okay, yeah, i see some potential flaws with this, will be easy to rectify though

[humble geyser]

okay, this is making no sense

kay, fixed the main truck zone

but the storage zone is being

difficult

wonder if i messed up the layers

wonder if the missing rigidbody had any part in it

hmmm

ya

fixed it

pushed 1.0.1 out which fixes some serious issues with the player zone stuff

[olive zealot]

YES

YESS

YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

FUCK FUCK FUCK

What issues does compatibility between these three cause?

We have all sorts of "shielding" for the Cruiser off

[humble geyser]

cruiserimproved breaks the cruiser spawning with this mod as it tries to setup networking on mine and well, just explodes

cruiseradditions for the most part flatout wont even work properly and alot of transforms will be off since i fixed the scale of mine

if you're downloading the v55 cruiser, then you shouldn't be praying that improvement mods work with it lol

its meant to be a literal piece of garbage on wheels

my v55 cruiser completely replaces the normal one with an updated model and it runs its own seperate controller, so most functions patched by these mods will just never work

but it still calls Base.Awake for compat reasons, which means any mods like CI or CA patching Awake will try to run shit on mine

since the ID is still zero

so it assumes "vanilla cruiser"

[humble geyser]

although in some aspects mine is "better"

like for example it has my improved player and vehicle interactions so the host can't launch the vehicle from funny angles

i improved enemy protection in the back and added protection from more enemies

although being on the outside of the truck or in the cab makes you extremely vulnerable

apart from certain enemies like maskeds (since it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they can grab you imo, mainly when you're moving and they clip through the truck, thats just bs!)

i also fixed a bunch of bugs that the normal cruiser otherwise had

though, some ""bugs"" have been left in intentionally as imo they're just core to the "cruiser experience"

there's quite a bit going on under the hood of this vehicle

[olive zealot]

Does the model have any visual differences?

[humble geyser]

yes

i fixed every single little visual issue with the model

every

single little one

[olive zealot]

I presume it's not client-side, right?

[humble geyser]

correct

it has custom networking as well

so i couldn't really make it client side

[olive zealot]

We'll give this little crock of shit a roll to see whether I should abandon Additions/Improved for it

[humble geyser]

lol, that's very subjective

if you enjoy a challenge, this might be for you

just don't be mad when you die in some freak accident with it

the current day cruiser with any improvement mods is just insanely overpowered and so easy to use

this is more "down to earth" and "back to basics"

[olive zealot]

Zeekerss really fucked up making its hull more durable

We're mainly interested in the mod so you can't shoot to late-game so easily with a reliable source of transportation to get DAISY or Ms. Cruiser (Really overpowered gals) on like, the second quota

[humble geyser]

i don't know how much you know about the v55 cruiser in its "purest" form (when it first came out) but this thing is extremely fragile and will kill you very quickly

i also restored little functionality like trees damaging the car

[olive zealot]

We loved v55 Cruiser

[humble geyser]

since that was nuked in v70

[olive zealot]

We were adamant defenders of it

[humble geyser]

i love the v55 cruiser lmao

[olive zealot]

WHAT

[humble geyser]

i love a good challenge

[olive zealot]

So we were just paranoid for nothing Ig

[humble geyser]

yeah trees dont damage the car in v70

before, they did

i did account for snowmen though since they use the same system

snowmen won't damage it

trees will

i'm not that evil!

[olive zealot]

It'll patch correct if spawned with Imperium, right

[humble geyser]

imperium won't spawn the right one

you can buy it from the dropship though and it'll be fine even w/ imperium

some other things about this cruiser:

breaking the windshield while sat in the cab will instakill, unlike v56+ where it just damages you
you cannot boost, jump, fly etc
you cannot heal it with weedkiller
durability is worse (ofc)

i DID restore the instakill enemies functionality, but made an exception for the sapsucker which'll be dealt 12 damage like current day

you can heal it, by taking it into orbit

lol

[olive zealot]

Zamn

[humble geyser]

i also restored small stuff like the original service manual photos

[olive zealot]

We'll buy it and test it on our labrat moon (Offense)

[humble geyser]

before it was plastered with weedkiller on the last page

alr

the v55 cruiser funnily enough has much better grip than 56+

like

stupidly better

its unstable at low speeds

[olive zealot]

Is it properly $400 btw

[humble geyser]

yes

[olive zealot]

Not like, $370

Nice

[humble geyser]

i also made weedkiller 60 credits because i'm mean

yesfox is a dependancy because, uh, you wouldn't have a use for weedkiller otherwise, but you can disable it if you want, its not a hard dependency

[humble geyser]

this is how it was in v55

i just felt like it

[olive zealot]

Oh, nice

We play with the kidnapper fox

[humble geyser]

although on the topic of tyres, there is one thing that might feel a bit "odd" on mine

my front wheels visually match the steering wheels full rotation, which makes it feel "heavier to steer"

[olive zealot]

Should be $30 tbh considering how much of it is required to fight a population of vain shrouds

It's whatever though Ig

[humble geyser]

i personally like this, you keep the full steering animation and shit, and it feels like a zeekerss thing to do

its meant to be "difficult to control"

[cold dune]

we need one of those backpack sprayers

[humble geyser]

and having less control over the steering adds to the chaos

[cold dune]

pump operated

[olive zealot]

Uh

Is

this normal

[humble geyser]

are you using any emote mods

[cold dune]

Code give birth

[humble geyser]

like betteremotes

[cold dune]

cactoo

[olive zealot]

Bruh

Yes

[humble geyser]

betteremotes breaks custom aims

[olive zealot]

How the fuck does that conflict with a Cruiser mod

[humble geyser]

you got a different variant of the cruiser 😉

you'll have to look closer at that one you got delivered

[humble geyser]

it breaks any mods that apply custom animations as it constantly overrides the animator

i had to fix some visual issues on the base animations

cuz they bothered me

[humble geyser]

not something i can fix on my end unfortunately

[olive zealot]

Oh, do Cruisers not have boost anymore?

[humble geyser]

emote mods like toomanyemotes should work fine since they use an entirely different method

mhm

just like v55

that page is directly from my rip of v55

[olive zealot]

I see

[humble geyser]

i pay special attention to the small things

i think i have a problem

oh fun fact i animated the small vertical column buttons

[olive zealot]

I don't see anything different

[humble geyser]

completely useless fun fact

that's kinda the point

[olive zealot]

Slop mod (/j)

[humble geyser]

the point is to keep it as vanilla looking as possible

but trust me i fixed a shit ton of visual problems

if you get up and close and start inspecting closely you'd start to notice lol

[olive zealot]

Why's it on this side? Is this rare?

[humble geyser]

its just a seeded chance

i added it as a gimmick

i wanted a gimmick to add that wouldn't be "wildly out of place"

and i remembered a suggestion ages ago in the zeekcord of someone saying it should be a chance that the cruiser comes as right hand drive

so i implemented it

custom animations and all

ejector seat works for the other seat as well lol

[olive zealot]

Cute

Ig we'll sacrifice BetterEmotes for this

Gonna suck though since we're losing on a lot of social value

[humble geyser]

try use emote mods that use emoteapi

or whatever its called

lethalemotesapi

[olive zealot]

This?

[humble geyser]

entirely up to you lol

yes

any mods that use that should work just fine

[olive zealot]

Does that fix the issue?

Oh

[humble geyser]

since they don't replace the animator

no just using that with BE wont "fix it"

BE needs to fix their implementation or move over to lethalemotesapi

atleast, anything using LEAPI should work, i haven't uh, tested, but from what i've heard about the implementation it doesn't interfere with the players actual animator

i wish BE didn't break other mods, because i'd use it otherwise

i've tried to make my vehicles animations as compatible with mods that have custom anims (i.e. piggys)

with my order of execution

so that it restores the correct animator, etc

[humble geyser]

just out of curiosity

did 1.0.1 come through on your mod manager yet

[olive zealot]

Nope

[humble geyser]

1.0.1 has a pretty major hotfix for the "vehicle zones" that i use for various things like enemy protection

ic

[olive zealot]

Wdym enemy protection?

[humble geyser]

my cruiser has 2 "zones"

one covers the whole truck and one is the storage compartment

in vanilla, protection extends for the whole truck

which is why you're mostly invincible minus certain conditions

and it only works if the truck isn't too tilted

on mine, protection in the back always works regardless of angle

[olive zealot]

Ah, are you able to be grabbed out a truck properly then?

[humble geyser]

and only the back is protected with the door shut

[humble geyser]

Yes

Indeed

[olive zealot]

Does that mean old birds will also see you driving a truck?

[humble geyser]

nah

thats an entirely seperate issue

[olive zealot]

Ah

[humble geyser]

and not an easily fixable one

it requires messing with their line of sight mechanics

[olive zealot]

Can u push destroyed cars as well

[humble geyser]

yes

[olive zealot]

Alr

[humble geyser]

i don't remember if i disable attaching it to the magnet with it destroyed

i think i did

[olive zealot]

I presume the Cruiser doesn't have this fix

[humble geyser]

although i might re-enable it and save the wrecked state lmao

uhhhhhh

dont think so

[olive zealot]

Tryna make my client-side modpack's cruiser as similar as to yours

[humble geyser]

lol

that would be easy to implement

it just wraps the "audible noise" from collisions in ignitionStarted

[olive zealot]

THIS would be nice though at least

Since you can already scan the jetpack

[humble geyser]

you can scan the jetpack?

[olive zealot]

Yea

[humble geyser]

anyways yes a scan node would be nice, but i'm being careful with what i do

i mean, i like authenticity, but i'm willing to compromise in some areas i guess

i'll "think about it"

my other trucks have scan nodes

just not this one

[olive zealot]

Alr

Does your Cruiser have any of these

[humble geyser]

standing key no

[olive zealot]

Besides scan while seated

Because Buttery Fixes will fix that no matter what

[humble geyser]

scan while seated uhh i dont explicitly disable or enable that

yeah

exactly

and handsfree doors i dont think so no

[olive zealot]

Alr

[humble geyser]

but i'd need to check the prefab again

[olive zealot]

Not this too, right?

[humble geyser]

i think i might have actually implemented that

[olive zealot]

Oh

[humble geyser]

let me check

kay i lied

but i know it has a navblocker of sorts

its just not like cruiserimproveds

[humble geyser]

also if this is for a client side modpack this setting wont matter

this is a host only config

iirc

[gentle trout]

good to know...

[olive zealot]

Wut abt this

[humble geyser]

i do not have that on mine no

[olive zealot]

Ik

Just for when I want to host my own games

Which I don't do often

[humble geyser]

although my scandalstweaks mod does fix external forces not decaying while seated, but otherwise no, old bird missiles will launch you

ah alr

[olive zealot]

Cuz LC's playerbase at least publically is a toxic cesspit

[humble geyser]

fair fair lmao

[olive zealot]

Now we got it

[humble geyser]

awesome

[humble geyser]

currently working on implementing the babyface track as a host only config

just beware it's not streamer friendly!!

for now

[olive zealot]

Babyface is likely coming to v80 anyways, so

[humble geyser]

yeah well still

besides the one coming in v80 is different from the one zeeks originally posted

iirc

i still want to add it for the meantime

if it is different like i'm remembering, i could also add a config for whether you want the original or the new one

[cold dune]

nah

he made the music remix for it

but cant add it until next year

[humble geyser]

also going to fix the engine rpm sync since it was still set to "front wheel drive" mode for clients lmao

and tweaking the tyre skidding effects

[arctic ocean]

yeah he was gonna add babyface until dopadream discovered it doesnt go public domain until january 1st of 2027

so now we have 9 more months to go

lol

he still plans to add it though

[humble geyser]

oh, okay, my drivetrain sync has just been broken for like, ever, i guess

oh, wait, no i know the issue

...maybe

yuppo, i fixed it

now i need to figure out why it struggles to run people over

1.0.2 released

• fixed drivetrain sync issues and fixed the truck being unable to run over employees
• added host only config for the baby-face track

fuck, i forgot the namespaces of some of my compat patches

shouldn't cause issues for the meantime but i'll fix it later

pushed 1.0.3 with some tweaks to sync intervals and fixed namespacing, not major but it's done now :p

[humble geyser]

so something i completely forgot about and also discussed with Buttery

in v55, the car never counted items parented to it as collected

which meant you had to manually drag all the items out and put them into the ship

currently, on mine, all items are collected like v56+-present day

however, after talking with buttery, i'm thinking of two options

[cold dune]

honestly to me thats fine

it makes sense

[humble geyser]

any items on the roof of the truck + items in the back with the door open are lost in space

or

remove items being collected entirely (authenticity)

[cold dune]

items on the roof being lost makes sense

Same w backdoor

that sounds better

[humble geyser]

it depends on what i'm willing to sacrifice

[humble geyser]

i will definitely do something like this for the Scanvan

[north pine]

Config

[humble geyser]

but for the v55 cruiser, i'm unsure

[humble geyser]

ehh

i don't really want to do configs for the v55 cruiser

the only config it has right now is baby face radio track

the v55 cruiser is kind of built around being a horrid mess that is actively working against you

and i'd like everyone to have basically the same experience

[humble geyser]

and you can change the driving keybinds (WASD), but that's it

[north pine]

then it should work how it worked on v55

[humble geyser]

in theory yes, but after speaking with buttery i might be willing to compromise

[north pine]

the config i recommended it so you can have it as an option if someone

wants that

[humble geyser]

although, having it exactly like v55 would seriously shake up cruiser gameplay

because then you cant just drive back with all the loot and have it all be collected

you have to scramble to get all the items out

[north pine]

truly awful experience

[humble geyser]

thats the v55 way!

[north pine]

yep, thats why config might be best

like toggle to enable it or not is what i mean

[humble geyser]

well, again, this is one of those mods where i don't like the idea of it being configurable, as its built around being 1 way and everyone can have the same miserable experience

this mod isn't meant to be fun

baby face is only a config due to streamers

[north pine]

then dont compromise

[humble geyser]

at the same time though i can make compromises

like

for example

enemy protection isn't like v55

giants could grab you out the back in v55

but it's one of those things that cross the line imo

i did make it so enemies, such as giants, can grab you outside the cab though and shit

this thing isn't "100% pure v55"

i am making changes "i see fit"

but it depends on how far i'm willing to go

it's a mix of "original v55" "my ideas" and "how i imagine zeeks intended for it to be"

[arctic ocean]

at the very least, a host-side toggle for the right-side driver chance is probably worthwhile

for "true authenticity"

i think making it "v55 without compromise" is totally understandable though and honestly i support it

configuration is nice but im personally i feel like sometimes end users are a bit too demanding of configurability instead of appreciating "the author's vision"

i guess us making mods for lethal company is kind of the same deal

but like

idk

[humble geyser]

this one i'll think about it since this was just a fun gimmick i wanted to throw in, this one is totally fair i suppose

[humble geyser]

i do enjoy configuration, but this mod is one of those few that i feel doesn't "deserve" configs? if that makes sense

atleast, not any configs that "change up the experience"

if you're downloading this mod, you should be prepared for the cruiser to actively work against you and be a nightmare to use (especially if you aren't used to the control scheme)

i don't want to give this vehicle "training wheels" for example, that goes against the whole goal with this

this thing will never be true 100% v55, of course, because otherwise i'd completely nuke any enemy protection and make enemies see through cars for example

and that crosses a line imo

[arctic ocean]

well i think it's pretty fair to make the argument that this was always intended

it just didnt work because of the layermasks being broken (which zeekerss didnt have time to figure out)

and once he did figure out the layermasks wasnt enough

he added some extra code to fit his original vision

[humble geyser]

enemies seeing through the back as intended? lol

[arctic ocean]

no i mean

he always intended the back to be safe

[humble geyser]

ahh

yeah

right

[arctic ocean]

he just changed the layermasks in the wrong place before v56

[humble geyser]

the enemy one is totally fair yes

[arctic ocean]

he changed the default value of the layermasks in v55 but they were getting overwritten by the wrong layers from the inspector

[humble geyser]

but i was kinda just talking about if it was 100% how it was in v55

and because of that, i am okay with making changes here and there

[arctic ocean]

yeah i just mean this isn't like... "betraying v55 design" because zeekerss tried this with v55, it was just bugged

it is "v55 if it worked as it was supposed to" which honestly i think is more appealing to see in a mod anyway

as for the enemy protection i dont know

i do think zeekerss would have implemented that into v55 if he had the time to figure it out before his release window

he probably just figured the layermask changes were enough until he actually got to test those changes in reality

[humble geyser]

v55 if zeeks stuck to the original vision, and just did general polish up here and there

the Cruiser that should have been, imo

[humble geyser]

maybe

the enemy protection i'm fine with having on mine + expanding outwards, as its one of those things that "makes sense" in my eyes, i guess

i don't like being partially protected in the cab, but with the way i setup my truck that won't happen, and i doubt it was intentional on zeeks part

probably just forgot about the physics region covering more of the truck than the back part

[humble geyser]

• some of my own touch up/ideas

for the most part, if you remember how the v55 car was, this'll feel basically exactly the same as that

[humble geyser]

in the midst of addressing some issues with my player pusher script

anyways, primarily, in the next update i'm removing items being safe entirely in the truck

just for the v55 cruiser, of course, for authenticity sake

make sure to remove your items!

[dire vector]

You could have a long magnet on the top of the ship that reaches out to the opposite end of the original magnet and faces downwards so that whatever car that drives under it will be immediately attached

Extremely rough drawing and it probably looks very clunky

Right would be the original magnet and the one at the top is the new one

Though ideally speaking, the left magnet would be extended to be far enough away from the walkway of the ship so that ejecting the hauler won't result in it getting stuck

[humble geyser]

i get your vision but the issue with this is:

there is railing along the leftside of the ship
what happens when another vehicle creator has another of their own docking station/magnet

anyways, dawnlibs docking stations work like ship furniture that you can move around

the Hauler is currently on LLL, and i don't feel like spending all that time to implement my own magnet solution. if anything, i'd just convert the Hauler over to dawnlib

[humble geyser]

1.0.4 of the v55 cruiser released https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Scandal/Version55_Company_Cruiser/

changes:

• various model tweaks
• removed items being safe in orbit + removed any protection while in the truck going into orbit
  • items being safe had some of the biggest impact on Cruiser gameplay, and considering this is how it was in 55, this is the route I went. sorry not sorry
• fixed truck launching you from walking into it at an angle

[dire vector]

Yeee, I understand my vision is flawed

It was mostly just a suggestion

Honestly I have no idea how having 2 magnets on the ship would be comfortably done without reworking the entire design of the ship from scratch

[humble geyser]

this is why i've suggested a basic terminal garage system where you can just pick what car you want out and it either poofs into existence or is delivered by dropship

and then can be stored in the terminal

although it would need to be near the ship

[humble geyser]

woops, forgot to mention that i reduced the cooldown on the rear storage shelves to near instant

in v55, it was instant, but apparently this causes softlocks with the player (which i've confirmed). if this reduced cooldown causes problems, let me know!

[dire vector]

Oh btw, just out of curiosity: I remember you mentioning that you developed a special version of the cruiser that has a lot of QOL stuff built into it (or something like that, my memory is a bit foggy)

Will that ever get released? maybe after the new hauler comes out?

[slim quail]

that was the scanvan iirc

[humble geyser]

that's my scanvan! and yesh it will be released, definitely way before the hauler though lol

the scanvan is "basically almost complete" while the hauler requires "alot"

i can't fully remember what i need to do on the Scanvan, i know i need to rewrite some of the player animation code stuff at the least

oh, there's some other small changes i want to add

like removing item protection if items are on the roof or in the back with the doors open

[humble geyser]

i've only just realised that some of my zone logic is backwards in the v55 cruiser

uh, woops?

i'll fix this laaaaater

[humble geyser]

alongside fixing and cleaning up the v55 cruiser, i've been doing the same to the Scanvan

there was quite a lot wrong with the scanvans colliders

i'm not sure how half of the shit that relied on them ever worked

[humble geyser]

the scanvan is acting so weird now, the suspension randomly shoots up if its tilted at a funny angle and i genuinely can't figure out why

?????? okay that's probably it

i dont remember applying a material but

anyways once this is figured out, i'm going to "dearcadify" the scanvan

it's "too fun to drive" and "too stable"

mainly i want it to be a bit more top heavy

[humble geyser]

literally nowhere have i done this nor is it possible to even do this

and now it's not giving me this error again but still breaking

why

i changed nothing

literally nothing

[humble geyser]

anyways, working on making items that are only in the back safe

with the doors shut ofc

[humble geyser]

so, regarding the scanvan:

i removed the anti-slide slip, i believe this was causing the suspension issue, i may look into trying to reimplement this if i can get it to behave properly
i have got "items on the roof are lost" working properly by the look of it + items left in the back with either the side door open or lift gate open will also be lost

i will probably add an exception for items on the roofrack, but otherwise it'll be lost

[humble geyser]

fixed the tyre slip effects on the Scanvan, boring stuff

fixing that also made me realise that i might need to slightly refactor one of the things i added in cruiserimproved

[brittle gorge]

So how fixed is it in general?

[humble geyser]

the Scanvan? it's better than before

anyways, i've been thinking. i will add a host config for whether you want a right sided chance for the v55 cruiser

it will be off by default

[humble geyser]

nice, the v55 cruiser has a host only bug where passengers dont get their animator replaced

easy fix, though

[humble geyser]

i'm going to make it so you can blow the car up on the magnet while holding the gas in park

[humble geyser]

1.0.5 of the v55 cruiser released

• various fixes and effect tweaks
• fixed host-passenger animation bug

also actually fixed external forces not fading this time for real (part of ScandalsTweaks)

fuck, the player pushers aren't acting correctly

arghghgh

well some of the more major issues r fixed anyways

[humble geyser]

pushed 1.0.6 which should finally fix the player pusher, plus some other visual tweaks

[slim quail]

does scandals tweaks have any benefit to use in a pack without the v55 cruiser

[humble geyser]

it has some patches to prevent audio animation events playing null audios and causing nullrefs, I also patched external forces not fading when in special animations which should prevent being flung when say exiting a car
Outside of these not really, there's some other small stuff but it doesn't really impact gameplay at all

It has some other tweaks but they're just for stuff that annoyed me (i.e terminal saying cruiser for custom vehicles, so now it just says "vehicle" in place of cruiser)

Originally it was just going to kind of be "fixes for small oddities I noticed when playing" then I decided it can just be my misc mod for all the stuff I don't want copied mod to mod

Which is why there's the audio animation stuff

Scandals tweaks will be part of all all vehicles I do

Incl hauler

There's also some patches from CruiserImproved, like fixing items being unscannable in physics regions and fixing interact prompts ghosting

Since imo they're more "general fixes" that isn't worth copying from mod to mod

[vague nebula]

Owo

[slim quail]

I c

[cobalt crane]

I'd say the first one is pretty significant for modpacks of decent size

[humble geyser]

i mean, not really, since anytime i noticed these nullrefs it's not like they were spamming

but they did annoy me, so i just decided to patch all the animation events

they would just occasionally go off

i believe it's just something not setup correctly on some modded moons

[humble geyser]

lol woops? i kept some experimental code i was testing for cruiserimproved in scandalstweaks

[humble geyser]

ooh okay, v80 out

going to see if the CC changed

at all

literally nothing

[humble geyser]

the v55 cruiser also still works in v80

although motion blur does NOT play nice with it

ah, okay, there is an issue with the v55 cruiser

something with killplayer

i'll look into this later

i want to play v80 properly

[humble geyser]

this is just chaos

(old birds seeing me seated)

this is genuinely undriveable

[odd niche]

"embrion is impossible in cruiser" are you sure?

https://giphy.com/gifs/omni-man-wectie-wectiee-mnBGExLAcLx77GuKFA

[humble geyser]

well

the solution that i've gone for

is one buttery and i were talking about

and it's

if the player is seated

the old bird will see through the cruiser

[odd niche]

is it impossible to drive with v55 CC or normal one?

[humble geyser]

wdym

[odd niche]

wanna make sure you're talking about the base CC or not

because vanilla CC is completely driveable

[humble geyser]

this patch kinda applies to any vehicle, but any mod can patch the method to accommodate their vehicle mod

[odd niche]

it literally be the easiest moon to drive on

[humble geyser]

yes but

old birds seeing you in cars

in that photo i pulled appy

so they were all awake

it was genuine chaos

i was being barraged with missiles

in vanilla there's an issue with old birds LOS

[odd niche]

happy chaos

[humble geyser]

and they cant see seated players

[odd niche]

good

[humble geyser]

because their transform gets "protected"

no not good

it's definitely not intentional, its just a bi product of how zeeks coded their LOS

the reason old birds arent a threat is because they literally just cant see you

and that's just

lame

they're meant to be dangerous

(ofc)

the only reason they saw you in v55 was because the layer mask didnt include vehicles

so every enemy could see through cars

[humble geyser]

i'm "fixing" this anyways

its something that has always annoyed me

[odd niche]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-doofenshmirtz-perry-the-platypus-perry-meme-gif-13987326656345890132

[humble geyser]

and im glad i finally have a solution in place

embrion cruiser gameplay is so extraordinarily lame and boring in vanilla

old birds just completely ignore you

which makes no sense

why should sitting in a car make you impervious to their line of sight

they see you while flying

and will try to land on you

but wont aggro

when flying they have a different LOS that specifically looks for players

i think it only makes sense that they aggro onto seated players on the ground

[humble geyser]

@arctic ocean

[humble geyser]

updated the Scanvan for v80 and fixed some issues between the v55 cruiser and scanvan

did some more playing around on embrion

it genuinely is

undriveable

with old birds active

[humble geyser]

v1.0.7 of the v55 cruiser released

• updated to v80
• various physics adjustments
• minor model tweaks to bring it closer to exactly how it was in v55
• al.

[north pine]

What is scandal tweaks???

[humble geyser]

its just for my general patches/fixes/whatever, also for stuff that i dont want to copy from vehicle to vehicle

i.e. the patch to fix items being unscannable when parented to physics regions

it was initially going to be a "fix for oddities i noticed in vanilla" and then i just kinda repurposed it to be "for whatever misc needs"

which is why it has the soundmanager patches and stuff

i just updated it with the patch to make old birds see players seated in vehicles (most crucial missing piece for my v55 mod)

[humble geyser]

if there's any issues caused by this lmk <3

[wispy nacelle]

another "tweaks and fixes" mod ;]

but specially made for Scandal's mods

[humble geyser]

about as factual as it gets

[humble geyser]

i'm thinking, for earth leviathans

i might make them launch the car upwards

into the air

i tried making them just eat the cruiser before but it just softlocked the player

so i think being launched might be funnier

[humble geyser]

@marble robin boosting came in v56 and imo its one of the most disastrous things to happen to the CC

its a highly abused mechanic and its the absolute antithesis of the point of the car

it just allows you to skip the entire map, avoiding danger and any real play or skill

[marble robin]

That’s very true

I don’t actually use the cruiser to jump anymore

[humble geyser]

i dont boost either

my scanvan still has boost but, i dont use it since i know how to drive

my v55 cruiser, well, i cant boost in that ever

[marble robin]

I was okay at it at one point

[humble geyser]

lol

i kinda had a grasp on it as well

but ive kinda 180d on it and "i dont care about it" anymore

i care more about the original vision

but, zeeks did a complete 180 on that

[marble robin]

Yea a lot of maps still do pretty well with cruiser

By just driving

[humble geyser]

if you read his patreon posts from around the time of v55, he made it clear the CC wasnt meant to be good

he even stated lethal company isnt about empowering the player

and "if you get the company cruiser, you get lethal company"

and i feel that was absolutely right with the post release cruiser

it was a giant steaming pile of garbage, "false advertising" to quote

[humble geyser]

well i guess, if you know how to drive

[cold dune]

i think boost should have been forward propellant but you get I frames

[humble geyser]

what you have to remember at the time when v55 came out, nobody knew how to drive

[marble robin]

I love driving on vow

[cold dune]

so you can launch yourself off a ramp but thats it

[humble geyser]

and nobody understood that it was """realistic"""

[humble geyser]

that reminds me

v70 got rid of trees damaging cars

which means you can obliterate the entire of vows trees and the car wont take damage

i reimplemented this for my v55 mod and it makes forest moon gameplay alot more.. strategic and chaotic

[humble geyser]

this is evident by the fact if you just look at any videos at the time when v55 was out in beta

they're mostly just like

[marble robin]

You also lower the health of the cruiser too

[humble geyser]

people spinning in circles

crashing

exploding

[humble geyser]

no

the cruiser always had 30 hp

wait

i misunderstood

yes the car will lose health

1 damage per tree

like how it was pre v70

[marble robin]

I was also asking does the mod lower the health back to prior v70 health

[humble geyser]

its always had 30 hp

but it does bring it back to v55 durability

the goal is to keep it as authentic as possible, but i did make some tweaks

[marble robin]

Okay

[humble geyser]

i.e. i fixed up ever visual issue with the model, i made various minor physics tweaks (fixed host-vehicle interactions) etc

i might add a "true jank" mode that unfixes some stuff that i, er, fixed, for a "more true v55 experience"

i also rewrote enemy protection

in v55 there was none, but i wanted the back to atleast be safe

this is basically "v55 if it worked properly", i s'pose

[humble geyser]

like forest giants can now grab you out the cab properly

but can never grab you out the back

even with the vehicle upsidedown

also added protection from more enemies

stuff that "made sense" i added in

i'm being quite picky with what i add here

sidenote there's currently 2 configs, they're both off by default

1 adds back in the unused babyface radio track, to complete the full 6 radio songs (2 unused with 1 being babyface)

the other is my own, it enables a random chance for the cruiser to be right handed

[marble robin]

That’s a lot of changes there

[marble robin]

Can mimics get you if the cruiser back is open still

[humble geyser]

tl;dr the goal is to be AS authentic as i see fit

[humble geyser]

they should be able to

i just added coded protection when sat in the cab while moving

since sometimes they could phase through cars if running them over

and unfairly grab you

[marble robin]

That’s true but I mean they can also phase through the back and grab the driver too if the back was open

If I recall correctly

[humble geyser]

enemy protection is something i could of just "binned of entirely" for the sake of authenticity, but i just saw it as "too unfair"

[humble geyser]

ohh right uhh

i never tested this

okay wait so i'm dum

i just made it so

if you're sat in the front seats

mimics can never kill you

[humble geyser]

in vanilla enemy protection is weird and it extends for the whole extents of the truck

and it depends on the back door being open or closed and the truck not being angled too much

which is why giants struggle to grab you

and its also why you're protected on the roof or hood

my v55 cruiser only has protection for players within the storage compartment bounds

[marble robin]

Makes sense

[humble geyser]

the steering might feel funny on my v55 mod, as i clamped the front wheels to the same range as the full steering animation

thats the only thing that will feel "odd" imo

it will feel "heavier to steer"

but i imagine zeeks would want that

[marble robin]

Yea maybe it will feel better even

[humble geyser]

it'll just feel slower to turn where you want

the steering animation is exactly the same

but the front wheels will match it linearly

rather than being like 3x faster than the steering wheel and outpacing it

[marble robin]

That sounds fine then

Also I totally forgot

I wanted to test some stuff with cruiser on the new v80 stuff

[humble geyser]

there isnt much interaction with the new stuff and cruiser

[marble robin]

Well there are some things I wanted to try

Like trapping enemies in the back

Also I want to try recreating a glitch that perma slowed me so I can put it in the bugs section of zeekerss discord

Want to do that as well

[humble geyser]

i see

[marble robin]

There some stuff I can try

[arctic iris]

Just to be clear I am not at all complaining, but I am curious as to why this is so big:

[humble geyser]

it has a bunch of shared vanilla assets that i use for my vehicle mods

like the v55 cruiser

but it'll also be used by the scanvan and the hauler

apologies for that 😅

i could break the bundles off into a seperate mod if you want just the tweaks mod on its own and dont use any of my other mods like the 55 cruiser

[humble geyser]

materials, textures, etc

[arctic iris]

I'm not fussed, though other people might be.

Thank you for explaining though.

[humble geyser]

although now that i look at it yeah why is it that big, i'll look into that

there isn't like

an enormous number of shit in there

its just a bunch of vanilla assets that i also optimised

i thought for now it's probably easiest if they go into my tweaks mod

i will break it off into a seperate mod at some point i guess

[arctic iris]

On a separate note, I am so happy that the scanvan (v5 cruiser) is finally uploaded

such fucking peak

[humble geyser]

the scanvan isnt the v55 cruiser

the scanvan and v55 cruiser are 2 seperate things

[arctic iris]

Wuh

I may be stupid

[humble geyser]

ive only uploaded the v55 cruiser right now

this is the scramvan

[arctic iris]

scanvan was your custom vehicle right?

[humble geyser]

the v55 cruiser is just a dumpster fire on wheels

yes

[arctic iris]

yeah yeah oops. I have been awake for only 10 minutes so am paying the price

[humble geyser]

this is the v55 cruiser

lol no worries

the v55 cruiser is fun bad, you should try it out :3

[arctic iris]

I remember many moons ago when you showed off the right-hand drive, such a small random thing but I love it. Will check it out once I've sorted some work stuff out.

[humble geyser]

the v55 cruiser has a random seeded chance to be right hand drive, its a host only config whether you want that chance enabled and its off by default

theres also a config to add back in the babyface radio track (off by default cuz copyright)

which would complete the full 6 radio tracks for the CC

2 unused (1 is babyface ofc)

ive made alot of changes to the v55 cruiser that make it more authentic to v55

as authentic to v55 as i saw fit

you should also try embrion with it ;) i may or may not have "fixed" something with the old birds

[slim quail]

Real ones remember the Saab

[humble geyser]

mmmm the saab

yes i do remember this, of course

i have my own saab i need to work on :p

[slim quail]

Based Saab owner

I thought about getting a 9-5 for a while

[humble geyser]

it was my fathers haha, its not currently on the road as its needs alot of work

its just in storage until i can get round to it

my main car is a 2008 ford ka

this is a 2004 9-5

[slim quail]

I c

[humble geyser]

with the 2.2 isuzu diesel

wagon

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the 9-5 is a good car

just like

look out for rust

are you in the US?

if not, dont buy the 3 liter diesels

the 3ls suck ass

theres a reason theres none left

they blow headgaskets and crack cylinder liners like crazy

[slim quail]

Yea im in US

Was gonna get a 2011 or so model

But anymore probably not worth

[humble geyser]

ah, so the NG

yeah thats nothing like this one

the NG is just an insignia underneath

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I figured it was just some GM rebadge

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Which is why its not so appealing anymore

[humble geyser]

they were a little more refined than an insignia

the '04 in storage is a GM era saab

but is good car :)

and in all due respect saab would of died in like the 80s if it wasn't for GM

[slim quail]

Thats true

Just kinda wish they found a partner that wasn't GM

[humble geyser]

god knows what they would of turned out to be otherwise lol

i really like the gm-era saabs

well, most of them

you hideous beast.........,,.., (this was just a concept vehicle based on the Tribeca)

[slim quail]

I'm imagining the alternate timeline where Saab became a competitor to BMW and Audi

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the subaru rebadge that never was thank fucking god

this thing is so ugly

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Pretty tame compared to some designs from the last couple years

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ion like it

but i guess

that's fair

[slim quail]

I still wonder what Subaru was thinking when designing the tribeca