Pikmoons(Pikmin-Themed Moons and Scrap)

[high oar]

I can load in other moons fine

What the hell is this

Any of these?

[heavy dove]

Not sure, but like I said i got work for the next 10ish hours so it'll be a bit before I can test with your profile

[high oar]

And these are my fixes

[high oar]

Alr all good then

[heavy dove]

The only thing you could do rn is try to toggle mods one by one with lethalperformance on to find the culprit, which I'll probably do tonight

[high oar]

thats sounds like hell

[heavy dove]

Yeah unfortunately that's the only way to isolate the issue

If you don't wanna that's understandable and fine though, I will investigate it

[high oar]

I can

I assume it's a performance mod or something right

[high oar]

Tested with new version

Nothing'

0.0.131

Of performance

[high oar]

I stg I went through every single one and everything besides lethalperformance is not working

Really wanted to get this working for my friends for tmmw... Damn it. I'm tired. Good luck dude

[heavy dove]

it is very funny to me that the music still plays while softlocked

[heavy dove]

i have isolated the issue

i enabled every mod in your pack except for the ones that use TerraMesh and TerraMesh itself

and i can load into perplexing with your pack

specifically just TerraMesh and Universal_Radar are all you have to disable

[heavy dove]

actually, you don't even have to disable them

as long as you go into the config for universal_radar and do this for all the moons

as far as i can tell in my testing, anyways

🙂

my moons technically have a countourmap anyways

so blacklisting them on that mod should affect basically nothing

[high oar]

So... I do this?

Nvm

[heavy dove]

Ope

[heavy dove]

Yeah you don't technically need to do it any more, but the mod creator is gonna do that for my moons by default in the future and also the bug is fixed on their end

[high oar]

Also the moons are awesome but if I look at the ship

I'm dropping to like 24 frames

It's weird

[heavy dove]

wacky

[high oar]

It's specially the ones with particles

[heavy dove]

yeahhh i wanna add a slider for particle amount in the future

[heavy dove]

[wheat nexus]

The impact site can spawn the big pumpkins and rocks that spawn on EXP and other moons, everytime those spawn on the map the pikmin bring stuff under the ship,

[heavy dove]

i do intentionally have them as map objects, though i don't know why that'd make them path under the ship unless they're blocking the way onto the ship

[heavy dove]

☠️

[wheat nexus]

I see

The spawn of satan

[wheat nexus]

Why are these so heavy?

[heavy dove]

OH YEAH, ty for reminding me

I noticed that then forgot again

They should be like 20lbs tops

[wheat nexus]

XD

[high oar]

I figured out the thing

Btw

I think something with the audio reverb that's causing lag specially around the ship I checked for the triggers around the ship and I think you need to delete any extras that aren't needed

[heavy dove]

Yeah ik it's reverb triggers, I haven't really had any lag issues with them since compat has been fixed with lethalperformance, especially with the vanilla ship

There could still be issues with reverb triggers i guess, I haven't really noticed them in my play at all even with like 140 mods

[high oar]

I'm like 110

Did you want my code???

Cause I cannot tell you the amount of lag I feel on awakening

Or any moon with specifically particles

Like 60 to like 24

[heavy dove]

You may be missing a mod that fixes reverb trigger lag or something

I forgor what's in my modpack

[high oar]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/JacobG5/ReverbTriggerFix/

I have this one

[heavy dove]

Idk how that mod works, but it not having been updated in a year is concerning considering how much has changed in the game/modding scene in the last year

[high oar]

Which mod do you have...

[heavy dove]

Not sure, I don't think I even have a reverb trigger lag fix mod for my testing profile

[high oar]

I found this one

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/EugeneWWolf/VanillaMoonsLagFix/

States the literal issue but only vanilla

[heavy dove]

My reverb triggers should be copied directly from assurance, and so should be largely identical

I have no proof there's any issues with ReverbTriggerFix in the first place, but I did a long play session with a lobby of people on my moons and noticed 0 reverb trigger lag whatsoever

It may be that two of the mods you have both mess with reverb triggers or something, hard to pin down

[high oar]

I don't use the other one

And it only happens on your moons so there's an issue

[wheat nexus]

Pumpkins and rocks spawn on the pikmin moons

[heavy dove]

I didn't mean the two reverb trigger mods you sent, I mean any number of optimization/performance mods may touch reverb triggers that I'm not aware of

[heavy dove]

Ye this is on purpose

It's kinda funny

Although I think they currently spawn in some weird spots i'd like to fix

[wheat nexus]

Ah ok because i have found something strange, when ever a pumpkin or rock spawn the pikmin seem to not be able to get onto the ship, this may be a 2 story ship or wider ship problem, tho they have worked before

[heavy dove]

Oh yeah if a pumpkin or rock spawns on the off mesh links that go onto the ship that'll definitely mess with pikmin pathing

Those objects mess with the navmesh so one end of the link may not be attached to anything

I can look into making a "no-prop zone" near the ship/larger ship

[wheat nexus]

😄

[high oar]

Weird

[heavy dove]

@here v.3.0.2 has been dropped with a couple tiny changes/fixes

[leaden spear]

anyone else having trouble landing at the modded moons in multiplayer? it gets stuck on the loading moon text for me.

[heavy dove]

if you have a log, i'll take a look at it for ya

[shrewd stratus]

is there a way to get past the bags?

[leaden spear]

where can I find a log at?

[heavy dove]

ye, throw enough pikmin on top, or go on top yourself

extension ladder/lethalmin make it way easier, but ones like the one in awakening can be bypassed by jumping on nearby level geometry to get on top

[heavy dove]

it'll be inside the BepInEx folder and named LogOutput.log

[leaden spear]

ok

[dense holly]

Custom levels can take a second to load does the game fully crash???

If it doesnt fully crash the pause is normal, as the level has to load for not only you but every other person playing too

[leaden spear]

the loading world text shows up only on the host's screen and not other players. to them its like the host never pulled the lever

[heavy dove]

if you got a log, feel free to send it in this chat so i can look it over

[heavy dove]

pikmoons has kinda sorta been on hold/in a lull since the last update while i work on another lethal project, just opened it back up again today to work on some stuff

a few new scrap are planned, and all the base scrap are being migrated to the scrap mod to fix that bug people mentioned

[heavy dove]

idk when this update will be out with... the incident... occurring recently...

but i'll still be working on it

until everything's set up for v73

[heavy dove]

In the process of working on more config options, for people who don't like the new props such as walls and hazards (I haven't heard any complaints, but having more customization options is almost always nice)

[heavy dove]

not again

good news though, it looks like the config options i added and tested work

no wall or water drain there

[halcyon fable]

hmm, when I leave pikmoons, anything I get from it (not scrap, Pearly Clam & Pellets) gets turned pinkish purple and unable to be picked up

anyone else got this problem?

[high oar]

V73?

[halcyon fable]

V72

Boutta find out if its a one time problem or not

[halcyon fable]

it is not a onetime problem

[heavy dove]

Ye this has been previously mentioned

#1312933178398478396 message

That's what im talking about fixing here by migrating them to the scrap mod, though there is likely a different way to do it too

Unfortunately im probably gonna have to wait a bit to fix that, since I need to update my whole project and troubleshoot some other issues before I can upload

[heavy dove]

(Because of v73 and the unity version change and stuff)

[halcyon fable]

As much as I like the scrap mod, maybe the stuff used in maps should be its own mod?

[heavy dove]

Why's that? I'm not exactly opposed, but the other mod is already named the same thing and exists

[halcyon fable]

1. Someone doesnt want the pikmin scrap mod as a whole, but still wants the maps to function

2. Potential map updates (if any should be made, bug fix or otherwise) would be tied to the scrap mod

which is especially noteworthy if the other mod has a problem later on, and any fix would take a while because of it. IMO tie the maps to a new dependant mod

or entirely optional and no pellet posies or nectar appear

Also goes into potential expansion, where there could be a random pellet posy in Vow or somethin

[heavy dove]

1. I would rather have a config for the scrap mod to turn off all the natural-spawning scrap than a separate mod to hold moon scrap specifically
2. This is true, but the scrap mod is pretty minor in comparison, and if it ever delays large updates to the pikmoons main mod it's by choice because I want to get some specific thing done before an update.
   Keeping it in a separate, smaller mod would be much smaller and even easier to update than pikmoons-scrap, but it's not too much worse.
3. Pellet posies themselves are a pikmoons feature not a scrap feature, so I could technically already add pellet posies to other maps since I now dabble in coding

I plan to do a "scrap-grouping" update where I make separate groups of scrap you can change in different ways in the config, such as turning off only the smash trophies, or only the ship replicas, etc

This should also allow me to add a "pikmoons map scrap" category of some sort to turn off those scrap from naturally spawning, as well

Just responding with my rationale, like I said I'm not super against it, and the scrap and other pikmoons related mod are also in the same project, so I could very easily do the same thing but with only map scrap

I'll consider your suggestion regardless, because it might actually be better to have a separate small dependency than force users to download the whole scrap mod just to have to customize it themselves

Now that I write it out that way it seems way more convincing...

[halcyon fable]

ohyeah, that reminds me, i've definitely had "only libra" as scrap twice today

one on pikmin map, one on assurance

prob my fault with the mods I got

[heavy dove]

Oh no, that can just happen also

All x scrap days are coded into vanilla

[halcyon fable]

oh, so thats just normal

i've never seen it before

[heavy dove]

Yee, though it should be semi-rare

Yeah I've had like an all toy train day and stuff with friends

[halcyon fable]

oh, yeah, have this I guess (I sold the head alone already)

[heavy dove]

Cute

[heavy dove]

Oh thats another thing, ill be adding a proper decal projector to the rusty pod replica scrap so the grid on the bottom actually projects on the floor like the light does rather than being a circle

[halcyon fable]

cool

[lofty imp]

Hope we get a Mini S.S. Drake replica at some point.

[heavy dove]

oh sure i could do that

i kinda forgor tbh

fake fan 😔

[heavy dove]

progress update
-i haven't really touched the scrap plans i have yet besides migrating scrap off of the main pikmoons mod
-my project is now usable and testable again after fixes and troubleshooting for v73
-most of the config options i wanted seem to work

it was also pretty easy to combine some itolib scripts with a simple weight tracker script to make the seesaw blocks (the big weights) actually work, so that'll be a thing

[sacred garden]

heya! i've been having some issues with Pikmoons this patch. whenever loading up a Pikmin moon, the game will attempt to load the moon after pulling the lever, but nothing actually loads and the game just freezes with the bepinex console outputting nothing about loading up the moon, it only outputs what players are doing in the ship.

on the previous patch i had this issue with Repose specifically, but this one it seems to happen to every moon

i'd love a solution for this if you could provide the steps towards finding one, this is one of the favorite mods that me and my group use, and we'd love to go back to using it again.

[heavy dove]

yeah this is an issue i saw on quotebalrog's stream. i've got a patch almost ready to go for it, i just want to iron out the behavior of a new thing first

Though I probably should have pushed a hotfix patch way faster and just waited on the new thing

[sacred garden]

alright, sick. we'll wait patiently for it

[halcyon fable]

oh you saw Quotes stream

lol

[heavy dove]

Yeahh where my shit straight up didn't load

[halcyon fable]

tho me & quote did end up agreeing on even if these maps are peak and updates that made em even better, maybe the maps are scaled too big

and after I told em to swap to LGU for an upgrade system

[heavy dove]

Yeah LGU definitely helps, the newer updates also have a few more minutes in a day

[halcyon fable]

its not about ingame time, its absolutely a slog to move through maps

in whats basically just the biggest moons I can think of

[heavy dove]

True, I've considered shrinking them, especially since a decent number of people have commented about that

That'd be more of a major version overhaul, and probably after a minor update that fixes the current softlock

[halcyon fable]

yeah...

[sacred garden]

imo i like how big they are because the cruiser (mostly) works very well with them and i always like an excuse to actually use it

but to each their own on that one

[heavy dove]

yeahh it's nice for the cruiser, also i like the vibes of the larger map tbh, but i've played an actual file with friends and it does feel suuuper slow

when i shrink it, i'll try to take care to make them truckable if possible

[sly reef]

Hey, I've been having issues playing Pikmoons with my friend.
When I'm by myself, everything seems to function properly, but when I load up a server with my friend, it suddenly goes into infinite loading, and the round never actually begins.
And this is specifically with Pikmoons enabled. If Pikmoons is disabled, everythnig works properly.

[heavy dove]

yupp, v73 networking changes has them broken currently

(in multiplayer specifically)

[heavy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/halloween-sol's-sol's-rng-sols-rng-halloween-sols-rng-gif-gif-13418639854458534407

not really but it's kinda close to halloween so that's gotta count for something

anyways ermmm

@sacred garden @sly reef @halcyon fable @leaden spear y'all should be able to play with your friends again 🙂

[heavy dove]

this is not true, as i had not tested whether the host syncs their config options with clients, which they don't, and i wanted to get out a fix for the moons not loading quickly, so the config options will have to wait

[sacred garden]

awesome!

[heavy dove]

and if you still have any issues, pls send me a log cause idk what'd be causing em

[pallid badger]

pik moon

[heavy dove]

ah

i put the wrong version as a dependency

[heavy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/update-update-is-free-gif-16672591338773869734

pushed another teensy update that literally only fixes the manifest

[halcyon fable]

Now to hard pivot to something crazy, getting r2modman to work in a windows VM... on android...

[coarse bluff]

Just wanted to say, i LOVE the pikmoons. The secret areas on the pikmin 2 maps, how interactable it is, its amazing! Once it works on multiplayer again, me and my sister are going to binge playing Pikmoons!

[halcyon fable]

Just to play pikmoons, lethalmin and the pikmin scrap mods

[heavy dove]

It should (?) work on multiplayer already, that was the main goal of the most recent update. thanks for the kind words, idk if i've seen anyone else mention or visit the secret stuff

[coarse bluff]

Ive just tried it out, and im getting the same issue where it is stuck loading

[heavy dove]

[heavy dove]

Can you send over a log?

[coarse bluff]

ill try loading it again and send over a screenshot

Im confused, when i loaded the impact site it didnt load in, twice, but the navel is working fine

[sacred garden]

i used to have this issue with specifically the valley of repose, everything else worked just fine

[heavy dove]

A full log file is preferable, if you're using r2modman you can go to settings>locations>open profile folder

And then it should be the .log file in the bepinex folder

You'll have to make it crash then get the log

I'd test myself, but I already have and there are so many variables with custom modpacks that it's hard to know without a log

[heavy dove]

i've pinpointed the still-existing issue, and by that i mean i had a vague suspicion and paco confirmed it

his scrap spawners get very angry on clients if they start disabled

awakening wood, valley of repose, forest of hope, and impact site all have spawners disabled in the hierarchy, so that's why those moons still crash

should be simple to fix

[heavy dove]

so basically in the meantime, as long as you avoid these moons, you should (?) be good in multiplayer?

[heavy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/update-yesterday-is-meme-gif-15631475504991516330

[heavy dove]

i have fixed this by simply deleting the ones that were previously disabled

[wheat nexus]

Question ya think you will ever make the pikmin 2 scraps? as the current one is a year old and likely no longer works in v73

[heavy dove]

i'd definitely not be opposed, though i'd probably ask that person before doing that

[heavy dove]

I've gotten the go-ahead from pikmanfan2002, so I'll add the pikmin 2 scrap. It'll probably be a bit, considering how many there are

[wheat nexus]

Ya no worries

[high oar]

Do make a config

[heavy dove]

Yeah man

[dense holly]

How it goes my beautiful people just checking up on yall

Health wise

Christmas is tn do that’s exciting

[heavy dove]

A bit tired working more shifts than I usually do through December, but other than that doing great!

[heavy dove]

anyone happen to have experience smoothly lerping fog color in unity? i have a coroutine doing it, but it basically freezes lethal during the color change, so i must be doing something wrong

[heavy dove]

'twas my own blunder, for i forgot a yield return null in one of my coroutine loops

[heavy dove]

happy new year, i caught the flu

[bleak spruce]

is there a way to disable pikscrap spawns on certain moons? there's so many that i can't find any vanilla items. i can't find a config file for it and the pikmoons config only deals with audio.
also, hope you got better and if not, get better soon
nvm, LethalQuantities is pretty much exactly what i was looking for. still hope you get better tho

[heavy dove]

nice, that's good cause i don't really have a way to do that within the mod yet

[hidden shard]

While I want to use the scrap mod, I really don't want to use it when lethallevelloaderUpdated is being used since it's deprecated.

[heavy dove]

Ah, I still have that set as a dependency huh

According to paco, you should be able to run both with no issues, but understandable

[hidden shard]

Alrighty, will you change it soon? Or should I just go ahead and use it anyway.

[heavy dove]

Dependencies are pretty easy to change, but I'd probably want to fix a few other reported bugs while I'm uploading, so if you want to play with it very soon, i'd advise using both if it lets you

[hidden shard]

Alright, thanks.

[hidden shard]

So.. for some reason I wasn't able to type "moons".
Typing it didn't do anything.
But when I disabled PikmoonScraps it started working again

I don't know if this is an issue with compatibility with other mods or what.
Thought I'd atleast let it be known

[heavy dove]

Weeeird, the scrap mod shouldn't do anything with the terminal or moon stuff at all iirc

Like I made it before I even started scripting, so it shouldn't touch anything besides adding the scrap

Might be because of something with lllu being a dependency, that's all I can think of

[hidden shard]

lllu doesn't do anything on it's own to mess up stuff. Atleast from what I've heard

[heavy dove]

Not quite sure then, I'll see if I can see what's going on in testing

[heavy dove]

moons seem to appear for me, and i can't even disable the scrap mod in r2modman because of the way my testing profile is set up

weird

[heavy dove]

anyways, new tiny update pushed that fixes a few bugs

(for the main pikmoons mod)

[placid acorn]

well I've atleast confirmed my issue isn't Pikmoons/scrap lol. now to try and figure out what LethalMin is mad at

[heavy dove]

Good luck soldier 🫡

[placid acorn]

figured it out! was a little worried that it was sellbodies, but with the new additions from here that let pellots work i don't actually mind that much!

[heavy dove]

another new version of pikmoons with a few tiny bugfixes has been uploaded

[placid acorn]

any chance you could yeet the LLL Updated dependancy o: ?

[heavy dove]

it be yeeted in the main mod, however i have not updated the scrap mod yet

so it's probably still a dependency for that one

[placid acorn]

hmm, it still says Pikmoons specifically wants it

[heavy dove]

[placid acorn]

v:

[heavy dove]

weird it still lists it, this is the manifest's dependencies

which clearly has batby's back there

[placid acorn]

huh

oh well lol

I want those giant pellets so bad >:v keep throwing pikmin at them hoping it works lol

[heavy dove]

that would be super cool, however the only way to get pikmin to carry things to the onion atm is to make them scrap

which would be really funny, however not really ideal since they're so big

[placid acorn]

true, bit lorge

[heavy dove]

with the assistance of paco, i will be swapping over to DawnLib for the scrap mod, as it allows for more direct scrap weight tweaking

meaning hopefully in modpacks, my scrap won't be the only scrap showing up due to how many there are

also, i've gotten permission from the creator of this mod https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Pikmanfan2002/PikminScrap/, so all treasures from pikmin 2 will be in the next update

🙂

i have all 196 of them that do not overlap with current scrap almost ready

which means the new scrap total should be like, over 300

[heavy dove]

sounds, weights, and scrap values are done for all the treasures, just gotta adjust the holding rotations, resting y heights, and spawn weights.

[heavy dove]

added a proper shader for the electric gates, rather than the weird looking particle systems i was using before

looks a lot closer to the games, just need to figure out how to render the electrical arc that goes through the center

[dense holly]

oh very very cool

sorry that i havnt checked up on a while

aquired pikmin 1 for my gamecube

sadly my gamecube disc drive is fried

so that's fun ( im ordering the parts to fix it in the meantime)

[dense holly]

this is looking very goood tho

[heavy dove]

Nice! Gl with pikmin ai jank once you have it fixed soldier 🫡

And thanks!

[heavy dove]

it may be a while until the next update, as it will basically be a visual overhaul of the maps, to be more game-accurate, with the assistance of a collaborator

🙂

[halcyon fable]

i'm back because I heard said collaborator gave you their things

me, pestering said collaborator for months about it because I desperately desperately wanted their work to be released

years?

yep, years multiple 😓

[halcyon fable]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-sign-of-the-cross-best-luck-gif-2212408365439734707

[heavy dove]

Oh they're really easy to put in once I get them, so it shouldn't be as long as I was originally thinking with the pace they work at

Tbf, I dont think they were aware someone was doing pikmin maps in lethal currently unless you told them LOL

[sacred garden]

very excited for this!

will the scrap include the fruits/brawl trophies from the mod as well or will it just be the treasures from pikmin 2?

[heavy dove]

Yeah, the scrap update will be adding the treasures to the current scrap, so the fruits and trophies will still be there

[sacred garden]

nice

[spring edge]

2 years

I got busy with other stuff that was higher priority

[heavy dove]

This man's talents are needed in the pikmin 2 modding community, he busy

[spring edge]

plus idk how the new tools here work so its just easier for me to lend my modeling talents out

thats what im best at

[spring edge]

heres one of them I did last night

got all the fancy blending and shadowmap textures

[halcyon fable]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-bravo-i-wonder-if-i-could-hunt-him-for-sport-gif-24551630

peakmin can be real

-# i've waited so long...

[whole seal]

very late, but what about smaller 'dwarf' versions of the higher numbered pellets that are closer in size to the 1 pellet that could be used for pikmin production/last ditch selling?

i adore the lethalmin integration for safer early game pikmin propagation, but its definitely slow going without gunning for the clamclamps in the impact site (i dont actually know if theyre in any of the other moons, i havent been able to explore the paid moons very much)

[heavy dove]

i'd rather have the big ones if eventually possible, but this could be an option in the meantime, i never considered that

[heavy dove]

iirc, i added like 3(?) clamclamps to the distant spring as well

[whole seal]

discovering how many pikmin they give changed so much

[whole seal]

they could definitely still be a little bit bigger than the 1 pellets

just something more reasonable so they dont look goofy when held by a player or in the ship

[heavy dove]

I might mess around with that a bit and see how i feel about it

[whole seal]

i have a lot of fun in the early game just going to the impact site purely to make more pikmin so im excited to see how it goes

[halcyon fable]

sometimes I think about how nice pikmin enemies would be, as absolute hell as they would be to add

[heavy dove]

that would be cool, i feel like enemies are a whole other can of worms though 😅

[placid acorn]

Theres making them work against players, which isn't too bad... and then making them interact in a way that makes sense with the pikmin

animating, modeling

behavior

fun stuff

[heavy dove]

Yeah, and the lethalmin github is no longer public either, last time I checked

[heavy dove]

man, tweaking scrap holding positions and rotations is

[heavy dove]

i've decided to go ahead with your suggestion 🙂

going to do somewhat of a middle-ground, where the giant prop pellets are still there, but the small scrap ones spawn on top

cause i like both the giant pellets, and the idea of farming pikmin with scrap versions

oh wait that pic doesn't really have a sense of scale

the scrap versions are quite shrunk comparatively

i may adjust it and make the 5-20 pellets larger depending on how it feels in-game

[whole seal]

pellets for the rest of the types too??? bless

[heavy dove]

Those have technically been in the files for my project this whole time btw LOL

(The one pellet versions)

There is a hidden extra one pellet in every map that isn't usually there for each type in the respective game, so you can find a white and purple pellet in the current release on pikmin 2 maps

But ye, you should be able to find all of these pellet types rarely in interiors as well once the update comes out

[heavy dove]

they spawn on top, like that

🙂

should be in the next update

[heavy dove]

i forgot The Forbidden Pellet

[wheat nexus]

No

Kill that

The moons still need lethallevelloaderupdated btw

[heavy dove]

ye, they haven't been updated yet

should be soonish though

[wheat nexus]

huh

i thought because it was deprecated that the other one got updated

[heavy dove]

No it did, just my mod hasn't updated yet I mean

[wheat nexus]

Ah also does the smoky progg egg do anything other then shake?

[fierce sky]

i like thatt

i love hey pikmin

[heavy dove]

If you bug it long enough, it should

[heavy dove]

I kinda liked it, never fully finished it though

[halcyon fable]

The alternative is hitting the 10/20 to make it explode into 5's, and making 5's a two hand thats large or somethin

[heavy dove]

That is a good idea, but I do like having every pellet variant

Plus it makes it more true to how many pikmin you can raise at each area in the games

[heavy dove]

The more I think about it, I like this idea a lot, but don't want it to be the default behavior; I'll keep it in mind for a future update with config options

[halcyon fable]

it'd still be 10/20 when it spawns, it just splits when hit with a shovel or any damage

is my thinking

or you could just make 10/20's absurdly large and able to be picked up

would be comedic in a sense 🤷

[heavy dove]

Oh I totally get your idea, and I like it, I just wouldn't want it to be default behavior is all

[heavy dove]

cute pfp btw

[halcyon fable]

ty

this one is from server of a mutual online friend of Quote/Salty, because they comm'd xmas art of entire servers (repeated) chatters

[heavy dove]

that's cute

[heavy dove]

as far as i can tell, everything in the maps has been tested and is ready for the update

once i finish up this last round of scrap tweaking, it shall release

[wheat nexus]

Oh question some of the pellet posies dont drop pellets

[heavy dove]

That'll be fixed

[heavy dove]

oh god i forgot i have to take pictures of the new scrap for the readme

and new videos of the maps with the new materials

may be a day or two later than i originally intended

[heavy dove]

itolib has updated, the pikmoons update is imminent

[heavy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/black-panther-update-wakanda-forever-yibambe-out-gif-15435310302061938937

glad i got it in time for the weekend

lmk if you have any issues 🙂

[heavy dove]

There is a known bug where gates cannot be destroyed by bomb rocks

This should be fixed in a small patch tonight

[heavy dove]

the update to fix the above bug has been uploaded

[wheat nexus]

YOUR MEAN

[sterile aurora]

Imagine your transporting it back with 100 purples and one of them dies

[heavy dove]

Iirc it's worth a LOT too, though

Might be able to cheese it with maxed back muscles, I didn't check

[wheat nexus]

That is my plan but idk

[halcyon fable]

my only complaint with the weight stuff is just the point the stuff is so small, and the point Pik1/2 kinda weighed stuff differently than 3/4 did

I kinda miss the old weights from back when I used pikscrap

and not needing 100 pikmin with me

[heavy dove]

it's meant to match the games so your pikmin knowledge is rewarded, though it may be a little annoying

more incentive to get purples, i guess?

i'll take your complaint into consideration, if i can figure out a way to make pikmin carry weights customizeable through a config i'll do it

thing is, i have them manually set for each scrap with a PikminItem script from Lethalmin, so i'd need to make the config change that somehow

it requires Cooking™

[wheat nexus]

Red pikmin can be killed by the flare cannon

also

200

Is how heavy the doomsday apparatus is with max back muscles

[wheat nexus]

also i dont know if it was the update or the protein shake upgrade but i cannot fully break the gates

[heavy dove]

I thiiink this is an issue with hazard damage from lethalmin library, I'm pretty sure I have pikmin filtered out of the general enemy damage

[heavy dove]

Neat

[heavy dove]

Yeah I've had this reported elsewhere once

Very weird, as with the way it's set up it should just work

[heavy dove]

i've pinpointed the issue, and it's an easy fix

[wheat nexus]

Ah hell ya

[heavy dove]

the version that fixes this is being uploaded rn

[wheat nexus]

Bettt

[wheat nexus]

I found something else related to the golden pikpik carrot

[02:59:38.3879502] [Info : LethalMin] golden_pikpik_carrot(Clone) is grabbing an item on local client
[02:59:38.3889563] [Error : Unity Log] ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) (at <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_0009)
LethalMin.PikminItem.GrabPikminItemServerRpc () (at ./Scripts/PikminItem.cs:319)
LethalMin.PikminItem.__rpc_handler_2246398377 (Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour target, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader reader, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams rpcParams) (at <7a0f9096547448ebaf28661833d61acf>:IL_007B)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers.Handle (Unity.Netcode.NetworkContext& context, Unity.Netcode.RpcMetadata& metadata, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader& payload, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams& rpcParams) (at <d961951ab868489cbec1aa9b2480688f>:IL_00A6)
Rethrow as Exception: Unhandled RPC exception!
UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers:Handle(NetworkContext&, RpcMetadata&, FastBufferReader&, __RpcParams&)
Unity.Netcode.ServerRpcMessage:Handle(NetworkContext&)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:__endSendServerRpc(FastBufferWriter&, UInt32, ServerRpcParams, RpcDelivery)
LethalMin.PikminItem:GrabPikminItemServerRpc() (at ./Scripts/PikminItem.cs:318)
LethalMin.PikminItem:Update() (at ./Scripts/PikminItem.cs:983)

This was spamming in the console and when i later found and stored the golden pikpik carrot the errors vanished

then when i brought it back out same errors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hvga9a4YXA

[heavy dove]

i'm not sure, seems like some network stuff i haven't messed with or changed

[wheat nexus]

Hmmm well shit xD

[heavy dove]

i have control over the PikminItemSettings component, but it's the PikminItem component that's throwing the error it looks like

and the PikminItem component is entirely handled by lethalmin as far as i can tell

[wheat nexus]

hmmm alr

[heavy dove]

mitzhan's group playing my moons

[heavy dove]

it may be something on my end the whole time

i think had the networkobject configured incorrectly for some items (a good portion of em)

[wheat nexus]

also the black wall on navel to the fire area could not be knocked down

[heavy dove]

i forgot to revert a prefab override (would fix the issue)

you should be able to break the wall from the other side though

[wheat nexus]

Oh alr

[heavy dove]

nevermind, this still happens even after i changed the networkobject thing

[hidden shard]

Will the pellets ever be added as "normal" scrap for moons that aren't pikmoons?

Would love to see the pellets spawn outside like the beehives

[heavy dove]

They already are normal scrap in the most recent update, they can spawn inside the facility like any other scrap

Most moons just don't spawn scrap outside, but if they do, pellets can be found there technically

I have spawners specifically for them outside on the pikmoons, I'd have to make some sort of scrap injection system to make them spawn outside on other moons

Plus they may spawn in weird spots

[hidden shard]

alright then, neato

[hidden shard]

Is there a way to disable the custom carry weights for the scraps?

[heavy dove]

Not currently, they're hard-coded in a component

I do want to add configs for that if possible in the future though

[hidden shard]

Awh, dang it

[marble umbra]

Why dont the pikmin carry the pellets to the onion :(

[heavy dove]

they shooouuuld?

lemme check

[heavy dove]

i mean looking at the script on em, they have "can produce sprouts" set to true, and the tooltip says that should make pikmin carry them to the onion

double checked all the pellets, and they all have it

seems to be a lethalmin issue? or something weird is going on

[marble umbra]

Yeah idk, the walls, bridges, and pearls also can't be hit by pikmin, but idk if that's on purpose, the rock walls work fine with the bombs

[heavy dove]

there isn't currently a way that i know of with the lethalmin library to make pikmin target structures

they can only target scrap for carrying, and enemyai for attacking, as far as i know

[sacred garden]

it could be some weird mod compatibility problem, i was having similar issues last night

i as the host had to rehost frequently because my pikmin specifically lost the ability to carry stuff around, but everyone else in the lobby was able to farm pikmin by harvesting pellets

[heavy dove]

Maaan, I was just getting close to releasing a large update too 😭

Once project patcher is updated I'll work on v80 stuff, may release this update anyways on v73 first

[marble umbra]

I think this is the behavior you were talking about

[heavy dove]

that do be the script i was talking about, however it is there on the pellets

i double checked the prefabs when you asked

dunno what's going on with it

[marble umbra]

Yeah its weird, cuz the grubs count for sprouts

[wheat nexus]

I mean they are enemies that count in game so

[heavy dove]

I think they meant it's weird that the grubs are working but the pellets aren't

Not that they shouldn't give sprouts

[marble umbra]

Man idk

[sly reef]

Has the mod been updated for the most recent version of Lethal Company (V80/81)?

[dense holly]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dance-dance-dog-dog-dance-gif-8210878118751222541

hope everything is going well here

just stopping in to say hi and keep doing what you love

[heavy dove]

Nope, it'll say v80 or v81 on the mod page when it is

[sly reef]

Thx

[waxen crane]

Is this real?

[waxen crane]

Ahh fresh doomsday apparatus

[waxen crane]

Why not have the walls refistered as an enemy? That doesn’t move and changed appearance based on health

[heavy dove]

they're from hey pikmin, and are in the scrap mod now

[heavy dove]

it already kinda is like that, the problem is it needs to have EnemyAI for pikmin to target it, and i haven't messed with that yet

[waxen crane]

Oh ok

[sly reef]

Well the Pikmin from lethalmin seem to be able to hit the flower things that have the numbered pods.
If you throw them at the correct spot

[orchid ice]

Anyone up to try this modpack with me?

[heavy dove]

Yeah they can't target them, those use an itolib EnemySensor filtered to pikmin only

Winged pikmin can't take em down

[sly reef]

Ah

[waxen crane]

update when? also idk if this has been fixed but in my opinion, considering how large the maps are, they feel so painfully empty

[wheat nexus]

Pikmin enemies when?

[heavy dove]

I mean they have everything in the games except for what potato boy said pretty much 💀

And the pikmin 1 moons have extra geysers, pikmin 2 moons have easter egg locations

Also I still haven't patched my project for v80 stuff

Fairly sizeable update is ready once I do and test though

[waxen crane]

Ah that’s why they feel empty

Lmao

[fierce sky]

When are we adding hey pikmin as moons

[heavy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

please say sike...

[wheat nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-mike-wazowski-is-that-a-joke-tell-me-youre-joking-are-you-joking-gif-24009770

[hexed elk]

Desert bus type geometry

[heavy dove]

large update incoming Soon™

just need to do another round of testing, and see if i can troubleshoot one more thing

[wheat nexus]

Based

[lofty imp]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-meme-fridge-scout-gif-4662599414317018485

[heavy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/black-panther-update-wakanda-forever-yibambe-out-gif-15435310302061938937

if anyone runs into any issues, let me know 🙂

[sacred garden]

hooooly peak

now when can we expect a complete implementation of procedurally generated cave music for the next update

fr though super excited to try this out with my weekend group, it's been weird playing with lethalmnin and not on the pikmin moons

[wheat nexus]

Sadly i dont know what happened to the pikmin cave interiors

[sacred garden]

was there ever a pikmin cave interiors mod?

i've always been saying that if i had any ounce of artistic or programming skill i'd love to work on a mod that adds in colossal caverns styled cave generation where it's just all the themes mashed up

[wheat nexus]

One was in development at some point

[sacred garden]

ah

[heavy dove]

Someone may or may not have taken that over from JaySalty and had a mostly-working version before the dungen update

[wheat nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/plinker-gif-27703979

[wheat finch]

Hmmm, pikmin are not taking the pellets to the onions, anyone else having this issue? If not i may have a mod incompat

[wheat finch]

Did another test, even just lethalmin and the moons on and their requirements they wont carry them to the onions.

[heavy dove]

I'm assuming it's something on lethalmin's end, since I don't think I've changed anything with the pellets' PikminItemSettings component, which is the thing that lets you configure whether to route to the onion or not, and what type gets more sprouts

I'll double check when I open my project tonight

[placid acorn]

if it happens again I'll give a log, currently testing if turning off the music fixes it

but the console was very very very very very angry about the music

yeah still very angry

it also comes back even after disabling it once you go near the dungeon

[heavy dove]

i know exactly what that is, and the music system currently doesn't even use the thing it's looking for that's null, so i can just remove that line in the next update

(i have a few small things to fix so hopefully i can push that pretty quickly)

[heavy dove]

just double checked this for ya, they are set to be carried to the onion in the script i was talking about

i've posted about it in the lethalmin thread, so hopefully they can investigate on their end

[wheat finch]

Thanks for the info and looking into that

[heavy dove]

[heavy dove]

an update fixing the music manager console spam and pikmin pathing on bridges is uploading :^)

[heavy dove]

just realized my moons have no normal trees for feiopars to climb

so they spam console and lag you when they exist

[wheat finch]

Oof, well at least now you know, right?

[heavy dove]

Yeahh, might have to remove them from the pool, luckily their spawn weight is pretty low on most of the moons

[sacred garden]

feiopars being able to climb up pellet posies would be really funny but yeah i get including them being a hassle

seems like an enemy that would work far better with pikmin 3's level design than 1 and 2's

[heavy dove]

The main problem is i'd have to reconfigure the pellet posies with whatever conditions it needs to consider something a tree, and then add a LOT more of them to every moon, probably

Paco suggested making them climb pellet posies actually, when the update first came out

[spring edge]

How’s things going with the mod?

Been awhile since I checked in lol

[heavy dove]

Oh, good! Just released a pretty big update that includes the new materials for the easter egg caves

And it has a new adaptive music system

[spring edge]

Oh nice

[heavy dove]

You can also run over stuff with the truck now, so that's fun

[waxen crane]

ADAPTIVE MUSIC?

[heavy dove]

Yurrp

When you carry stuff or there are enemies, the music changes to the respective version of the track

[waxen crane]

hell yeah

[wheat nexus]

Strange interactions with the pikmin scrap, when dropping them on the elevator of the mines they fall up into the ceiling and show up near the ship

Stack trace:
UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject:OnTransformParentChanged()
UnityEngine.Transform:SetParent(Transform, Transform, Boolean)
GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB:DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::PlaceGrabbableObject>(PlayerControllerB, Transform, Vector3, Boolean, GrabbableObject)
GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB:DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::DiscardHeldObject>(PlayerControllerB, Boolean, NetworkObject, Vector3, Boolean)
MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition:Trampoline<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::DiscardHeldObject>?1421762396(PlayerControllerB, Boolean, NetworkObject, Vector3, Boolean)
CodeRebirth.src.Patches.PlayerControllerBPatch:PlayerControllerB_DiscardHeldObject(orig_DiscardHeldObject, PlayerControllerB, Boolean, NetworkObject, Vector3, Boolean) (at ./src/Patches/PlayerControllerBPatch.cs:216)
MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition:Hook<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::DiscardHeldObject>?-254462272(PlayerControllerB, Boolean, NetworkObject, Vector3, Boolean)
GameNetcodeStuff.<waitToEndOfFrameToDiscard>d__432:MoveNext()
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine:InvokeMoveNext(IEnumerator, IntPtr)``` this looks to be the error but i dont know

[wheat nexus]

Stack trace:
UnityEngine.Object.get_name () (at <c39a522eee05469b8171a6cfeb646c59>:IL_0001)
PremiumScraps.CustomEffects.ControllerMovement.IsInControlMode (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB player, PremiumScraps.CustomEffects.Controller& controller) (at <d753a0b5ac114f01a0887bdce9748b7c>:IL_002E)
PremiumScraps.CustomEffects.ControllerMovement.PlayerVectorPatch (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB player, PremiumScraps.CustomEffects.ControllerMovement+ControllerActions action) (at <d753a0b5ac114f01a0887bdce9748b7c>:IL_0029)
PremiumScraps.Utils.ControllerPlayerControllerBPatch.PlayerLookInputControllerPrePatch (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB __instance) (at <d753a0b5ac114f01a0887bdce9748b7c>:IL_0001)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::PlayerLookInput>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::LateUpdate>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::LateUpdate>?-1659801356(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)
CodeRebirth.src.Patches.PlayerControllerBPatch.PlayerControllerB_LateUpdate (On.GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB+orig_LateUpdate orig, GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB self) (at ./src/Patches/PlayerControllerBPatch.cs:257)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::LateUpdate>?1860298700(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)``` premium scraps MAY be causing something in relation to the pikmoons scrap, i got a pearl from Impact, then went to EXP, when moving there the pearl became full pink and when i picked it up it froze me on the spot

When i left and rejoined to fix this the pearl left the game xD

[heavy dove]

Yeah i've never seen that before, them snapping to the ship looks like it's due to the reparenting in the first error

But that second error looks to be something with premiumscrap

[wheat nexus]

Ya

[wheat nexus]

Ok so without premiumscrap or chillaxscrap, the pearl and shovels that spawn there if you have them on the ship or in your inventory they break when leaving the orbit of a moon

https://youtu.be/tqoIVkGAhyk 2:31

Gunna test if its just impact site or others

[wheat nexus]

Ok hope is the same it seems like

[heavy dove]

That's an issue that used to happen when the scrap were bundled into the moons, because the moons would unload when you leave meaning the scrap would unload weirdly like that

Very strange it's still happening, I might have something configured wrong or something

Although wait, the shovel goes invisible too

And that's vanilla

Like I know it's shovels from the moon that do it, but the shovels i spawn are just the vanilla ones

Must be something with the spawner in v80 then? Idk, I'll try to investigate/get help about that

[wheat nexus]

Shovels spawned by the moon are the ones that break, bought shovels do not

[heavy dove]

ye i get that, it's just i think the shovels i spawn are the same prefab/item script as the bought ones

iirc

so it's weird they do the same thing as the custom scrap

i'll have to look into it

[wheat nexus]

So far the pearls/spawned shovels are the only thing i have seen do this

[heavy dove]

re:this, it looks i'm bundling an extra shovel with my moon bundle, which is what's spawning instead of the normal shovel, meaning it unloads when the moons unload

i'll double check the pearl and shovel spawners and change em

should fix it

[wheat nexus]

I thought the moons unload when i enter orbit?

[heavy dove]

as long as you're orbiting one of the moons, i think the bundle is loaded

notice how as soon as you route to the company they bug out

[wheat nexus]

ya ok that tracks

[sly reef]

possible bug: Baboon Hawks dont seem to take damage from bomb rocks if they've picked them up

[heavy dove]

I think some of their colliders are disabled once they're armed, though that happening should be rare as the box collider that lets enemies pick it up is also disabled when it's armed

I'll look into that

[sly reef]

It seems to happen every time one picks up a bomb rock.
If it doesn't pick it up it works fine. But once it's picked up it seems to not deal any damage? Or at least, a lot less.

Idk if this issue happens with hoarding bugs.

[wheat nexus]

Wait question did you remove the cats spawn from the moons yet?

[heavy dove]

They're removed within the project, but I haven't released the update with that change yet, no

[wheat nexus]

Ok as i just encountered one

[heavy dove]

I have to investigate a bridge on repose, and try to fix the bomb rock thing, then I should be able to push the update

[heavy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-today-gif-14731534949278669964

scrap and moons mod both updated

[sly reef]

neat

[wheat nexus]

Whats in a Arsonist's closet

[waxen crane]

Yo why ur ship got a wooden floor?

[wheat nexus]

Reasons

[buoyant path]

Been havin a minor issue with the scrap in VR rendering wrong. Specifically Pellets in Pellet Posies, and Bomb Rocks. The maps in general used to bug out but I grabbed a shader fix to help(?) with that

[heavy dove]

i wouldn't be surprised, i've never tested my stuff in vr, if you could grab a screenshot somehow that'd be awesome

[buoyant path]

I will when I can, but for now, all I can say is that objects and even the map will render in one eye, and even then, all wonky

The VR Shader Fix mod actually fixes the terrain side of things, but not world objects

Outside all that, I'm having a blast on these levels, though i kinda wanna know if theres a potential for some P3 love

-# and maaaaybe some P2 Cave interiors for the hell of it

[chrome socket]

Hello, how can i make it so Pikmin scrap only appears on the pikmin moons?

[heavy dove]

you'll want to go into the config editor of your chosen mod manager, and look for pikmoons scrap, here's how it looks on r2modman

and i'd suggest opening the config file on a file editor like notepad++, rather than editing each scrap individually, as there are almost 500 of them and that'd take forever

and these are the spawn weights by default

then you'd do ctrl+f for find, and use your text editor's find and replace function

and do something like this, where you replace the entire weights string with your desired value

@chrome socket

unfortunately that method also replaces the defaults, though you could include "Preset Moon Weights = " like this to avoid that:

[chrome socket]

thanks

[heavy dove]

np!

[chrome socket]

Now, do i just add the names of the moons and weight, like; impact=+50?

[heavy dove]

oh no, they're all tagged with pikmin, so you can just do the pikmin tag like i showed

unless you want specific scrap to show up on specific moons, then you'd need to do individual ones

[chrome socket]

Ok, thanks for the help

[sacred garden]

heya, would there ever be any consideration to change how this mod works with Dine, or is that more of a thing i would have to config on my end?

with the way dine scrap spawning works it makes the moon basically a free guaranteed quota with pikmoons scrap, I've been to eclipsed dine with over 22k of value inside of the facility before

[heavy dove]

it would be more of a config-sided thing, though that is quite a bit of scrap for dine, perhaps i should set weights for each moon individually by default

i think you can just add something like "lethal_company:dine = -9" to the config string

so that my scrap has a weight of 1 there instead of 10

[marble umbra]

Soooooo, when I boot up the moons mod, it spams that all of the items that the pikmin use for the onion have missing behaviors

[heavy dove]

can you send a log file?

[marble umbra]

Yep

[heavy dove]

it'd be in your profile > BepInEx

[marble umbra]

Where?

[heavy dove]

if you're using r2modman, you can click here

on settings then browse folder

and then click into the bepinex folder and look for the .log file

[marble umbra]

Im on thunderstore

[heavy dove]

ah

[marble umbra]

I just copied the error, do you want the entire log?

[sacred garden]

ty, i'll look at this next time

[heavy dove]

np

[heavy dove]

this just happens once at launch, right?

[marble umbra]

Correct

But none of the pikmin can take those things to the onion still

[heavy dove]

the only things they should be able to take to the onion are pellets and enemy bodies for the most part, but i've gotten this report before and my scrap still has the script it says they don't

lemme check again for ya just to be sure

[marble umbra]

The pellets dont get taken

[heavy dove]

i have heard that they don't get taken, issue is this is what the pellets look like

and the script it's saying they don't have is right there, and "canProduceSprouts" is the variable that determines whether they go to the onion

so i think it's an issue on lethalmin's end, i remember note saying that the library may be broken on v80

[marble umbra]

this was an issue before v80 too

[heavy dove]

even so, it'd still probably be an issue on lethalmin's end, as i have the script and settings set the way i want on my end

[wheat nexus]

I don't know if its a lethalmin end it works for me

[heavy dove]

it may be a mod incompatibility or something

however what i mean by that is there isn't really anything else i can do to fix it on my end, the issue is with the PikminItemSettings script not being detected or something, so even if it's incompat, it'd probably be fixed in lethalmin somehow as it's not my script

[buoyant path]

Do I still need to grab photos of the VR rendering issues?

[heavy dove]

if you want to, that'd be great, i don't really know too much about how vr rendering differs and i don't have a vr headset myself

[buoyant path]

Fair, not many people do

Im just worried it wont appear in a screenshot

[heavy dove]

yeah not sure how that works lol

[buoyant path]

hmm

I could stream it potentially

Something tells me this is a Unity issue since I was seeing similar issues with VRtrakill

But I'm not a Unity dev

But describing it again, without a VR shader fix, the world only renders in one eye

Even WITH it, the pellets inside pellet posies aren't showing up right

Same issue: Only rendering in the left eye

[heavy dove]

weird, cause the pellets use a standard unity lit shader

all the terrain for the most part uses custom shaders by JaySalty

[buoyant path]

This obviously applies to the Bomb Rocks too

Once more, I know N O T H I N G about Unity modding or development

But it may just be something not set to render in both eyes

idk

[buoyant path]

Should I?

[heavy dove]

if you want to, sure

[buoyant path]

Apparently the VR Shader Fix mod that fixes the map rendering just got updated, so Imma check and see if this extends to anything on the moons.

I'll be damned. It was fixed in that shader fix update

sorry for it all being on one side

I did just glance at it, so idk if the pellets are changing properly, and idk if this extends to the bomb rocks, but yeah, it seems the update to the shader fix mod ACTUALLY did something for these maps

[buoyant path]

Okay nevermind

The color changing ones are bugged

[heavy dove]

hmm

glad the rest of it seems to look okay

weird that the non-color changing ones look fine but the color-changing ones look bad, as the shader for both is the same

it's just that the color changing ones use an itolib MaterialSwapper component

[buoyant path]

Well all that needs to be done is rebuild it with vr compatibility according to one of the VR Fix devs

Like VR compatibile shaders

idk

[heavy dove]

do they have a thread on this server?

i couldn't find it by looking up vr

[buoyant path]

#1497261503651385494

@heavy dove

[dawn nacelle]

Hi, I want to halve the average value and the required number of Pikmin needed to carry treasure but not the pellets. I am using the Thunderstore Mod Manager. I'm not familiar with scripting, and Thunderstore is the first mod manager I've ever touched.
The main problem, however, is simply the value of the treasures, junk, and items.
My brother says the values ​​are too high, so high in fact that it feels "cheesy." If you could recommend a mod/method that increases the quota, I would be satisfied as well.
thank you.

[buoyant path]

hehe whiptongue bulborb

Anyway uhhh, best I can tell you is LethalConfig, but im not script savy either

[heavy dove]

you can change the values, but unfortunately, there isn't really an easy way to do it, you basically have to go scrap-by-scrap and change the values the way you'd like.

if you click on the edit config button, then look for pikmoons you can find it

and then press edit config, but you have to change each one individually

so you can change that range from 31,62 to something like 15,31 for example to halve it

if they were all the same value, i'd recommend doing find-and-replace with something like notepad++

[buoyant path]

Personally the high number is fine. Forces you to decide on selling it for Quota/Goodies or saving it for later

-# Then again I am REALLY struggling to play these mods with people

[dawn nacelle]

Thanks for your help! I've decided on a mod that changes the quota (Configurable_Quota). We now have 12 days to earn 10,000 Pokos.

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-ship-hocotate-peak-cave-gif-10864480446200614509

[heavy dove]

Yeah that's probably easier than tweaking the scrap lmao. Have fun!

[heavy dove]

that scrap issue is already fixed, no?

[wheat nexus]

Idk i have not tested they just sent it, ill probably test later

[dawn nacelle]

Pikmin do not carry anything out of the facility containing a cave entrance(not the sublevels). They do not budge from the spot, and the only way to retrieve the treasure from them is by calling the Pikmin first( I was only on repose and awaking wood by now and not the other moons with a cave entrance).

This also happens on Impact when the main entrance is blocked by the box.

[heavy dove]

Yeah, that's basically intended behavior on impact, since they don't have a path to get back when the box is not pushed. The other moons that's definitely a bug though, which is gonna need a custom script of some kind, as the exitScript field of the interior's door does not get filled for some reason

[wheat nexus]

Ya no im dumb they are fixed my dumbass did not remember there being an update

[heavy dove]

Ur good, I was just worried it wasn't fixed somehow lol

[dawn nacelle]

is there a way to destroy the poison hazards without getting damaged?
My guess is Bombrocks—or the car! XD

[wheat nexus]

Probably ya

[buoyant path]

Im surprised pikmin cant interact with the gates

[heavy dove]

Basically just bomb rocks and the car, yeah. You can technically also shoot stuff with the shotgun

[heavy dove]

Yeahh I would like them to be able to, there isn't really a way to make pikmin target objects that aren't enemies/scrap atm

[dawn nacelle]

does the paper bag work?

[heavy dove]

Yeah, cause that one only requires them to weight it down, so I can use an itolib enemysensor with a filter for it

You can also jump on it yourself, or just ram the truck into it

[dawn nacelle]

can it also detect different types of enemies/pikmins?

[heavy dove]

I don't think any other enemies can weigh it down, and even if they could they probably wouldn't path on top of it to do so

I forget if I have the filters set up so that the wollymin and breadmin mod works

[dawn nacelle]

couldn't you do the same for the poison geyser?
like 5 White pikmins or 5 Bulbmins need to be near the geyser for 3-5 sec. to disable it.

[heavy dove]

Technically yeah, it'd just look pretty janky with them not actually attacking it

Ideally some sort of "DamageableMapProp" or "DamageableHazard" script is added to the lethalmin library eventually and I can swap to that

[waxen crane]

Whiptoungue bulborb and waterwraith, oh boy

[buoyant path]

Random thought

Interior Enemy similar to Hoarding Bugs: Breadbugs

Small ones can be struck with the shovel but it takes a while. Of course the Pikmin method of breaking their spine also works.

Large ones can't be damaged and need to be dragged to the door where they'll bonk as if it were the onion or the ship

Less of a hostile enemy and more of a nuisance

Oh-

This isnt the lethalmin chat-

Fuck

[heavy dove]

idk if the custom moon pathing bug or bug that makes the golden pikpik carrot spam console will be fixed with lethalmin being discontinued

[buoyant path]

They keep saying they're just finished with it. Nothing else to add.

-# personally thats bullshit

[dawn nacelle]

LethalMinLibrary is also deprecated

[waxen crane]

There was literally a story mode W.I.P btw

[wheat nexus]

If they think they are done with it then they are done with it simple

[dawn nacelle]

the flare cannon killed my red pikmins 😭

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-fire-white-pikmin-gif-3949320668855698057

[heavy dove]

Yeah it uses explosions to make it deal damage to the other enemies

💀

So red pikmin are not immune atm

Need @pallid badger to add an enemy filter to his explosion thingy

[pallid badger]

look inside

[heavy dove]

[dawn nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletons-berserk-roast-skeleton-gif-25184374

[dawn nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426345890098184203/1507739617502302388/Flame_of_Love.mp4?ex=6a12ff71&is=6a11adf1&hm=7fb7bd99e8f364141206e489ea26f52cfc7775af7fe4b080357f5ab21c527918&

but pls dont change the damage input👉 👈

[heavy dove]

It was the only way to make it set giants on fire unfortunately

(Without scripting something myself)

[dawn nacelle]

I'm now scared what the other weapons can do

https://tenor.com/view/shock-therapist-pikmin-2-home-alone-caption-titan-dweevil-gif-17942190330155971811

[heavy dove]

🙂

[dawn nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284350018001571893/1509160766580985958/IMG_7146.png?ex=6a182afd&is=6a16d97d&hm=0ea4a818f6038c64c1947f17bf80814cea00d87f34a7d2897972fa4a1de33eb1&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284350018001571893/1509231577161273414/image.png?ex=6a186cf0&is=6a171b70&hm=d4a841908544df128f36c3da0b11168a30f5db1038c7e5dd2eeba2977c9680b9&

[heavy dove]

[waxen crane]

yo when you get around to pikmin 2 moons

unless these alr are

cuz i forgot

say is it possible to have multiple interiors on the same moon?

(when the pikmin caves mod releases, if ever)

[heavy dove]

Pikmin 2 moons are already in this mod (repose, awakening, perplexing, wistful)

And yeah it totally is possible, it's how the system is currently built actually

[waxen crane]

ah ok (its been a while)

[heavy dove]

It's just a chance between interior weights

[waxen crane]

no i mean like loaded at once

like to replicate the different caves

for each entrance

[heavy dove]

Oh multiple at once? Uhhh I think there are ways to do that, I think note used to have a mod that did that

[waxen crane]

would be a lot smaller to balance it out if it is possible

[waxen crane]

oh wait really? fire

my idea has been provided

[heavy dove]

That would be pretty cool

[waxen crane]

i am actually meant to be in school rn 😭

well i am

its online

distance education

anyway my idea has been provided, it would be fire if you could figure that out

[heavy dove]

I wouldn't hold your breath for multiple interiors at once, I'm not that great at coding, especially with networked stuff

I am working on the cave interiors however

They should be ready for a release after I go through each model one more time and do some testing

Idk how great the generation will be, but they do exist and work

[waxen crane]

no thats fine lol

[waxen crane]

is there one that has the same set of tiles as... a certain cave... in the perplexing pool

👀

is it possible to set SPECIFIC scrap to spawn in specific locations?

for example

having a 1-1 remake of the submerged castle

[buoyant path]

I sorta want at least one moon based on Pikmin 3

Probably Formidable Oak since the outdoors area is more like Impact Site in size

[heavy dove]

This is basically what the "easter egg locations" alluded to in the mod page/changelogs are

I already have several recreated sublevels hidden in smaller holes around the moons

Though the scrap is randomized rather than 1-1, the spawn locations are the same

[heavy dove]

I would like to get to making those after I release the interiors

I have the garden of hope in the project technically, though it is very early in development

The main thing holding those back would be a shader that recreates pikmin 3's alpha blending, as it appears to use a separate method than pikmin 1 and 2

[sacred garden]

there is already a formiddable oak moon mod

it is... something all right, it is way too big, if you don't have the cruiser or an extension ladder it legit takes half a day to enter main

[heavy dove]

it also hasn't been updated in a year 💀

[buoyant path]

Yeah i saw it but was worried it was gonna have zero Pikmin items like Pellets

I get its the formidable oak and it doesn't have any but you get my point: functionality with the other Pikmin mods was a concern, and so was quality

[dawn nacelle]

maybe not as a whole

[buoyant path]

Yeah at least one of the main areas so its not like, massive.

Maybe the paths to other areas could be replaced with exits

Much like March

[dawn nacelle]

I wonder why there isn't a mod for Lethal Company based on the cave generation from Pikmin 2.

https://tenor.com/view/frontier-cavern-pikmin-pikmin2-shrek-gif-25642015

[heavy dove]

curious

[dawn nacelle]

is it normal that i get only mineshafts (also on non pikmin planets) or did I something wrong?

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-lethal-lethal-company-v60-lethal-company-caves-lethal-company-mineshaft-gif-13305101279498013114

[dawn nacelle]

nevermind
I just got lucky 10 times in a row.

[heavy dove]

Mineshaft used to have a higher weight on pikmin 2 moons, but it doesn't any more so I think you just got unlucky

[waxen crane]

which one is the lethalmin one

[dawn nacelle]

Who is the imposter

[waxen crane]

truth nuke

[waxen crane]

eclipsed impact site?

oh boy im so lucky

[heavy dove]

[waxen crane]

(yeah so i just rerolled lol)

also would it be possible to add the map varients that depend on what day ur on?

such as the bombless impact site

(which also hass less pellets)

and also would it be possible to force an onion item to spawn outside if u have lethalmin enabled (where it would normally spawn ingame)

also for the sunset version of the songs

make it playing alongside the normal one when you land but make its volume change when it needs to play

(makes it transition smoothly)

[heavy dove]

I planned on this originally, maybe eventually

[waxen crane]

nice

[heavy dove]

Would be doable, but unnecessary imo

[waxen crane]

it wouldnt be unnceessary because i want lore accurate pikmin gameplay ;p

[heavy dove]

It's supposed to sort of be a mix of pikmin and lethal gameplay, not a 1-1 recreation exactly

[waxen crane]

fair enough

[heavy dove]

I'm assuming youre asking for this to have a smoother transition, however the only reason the transition seems smooth in pikmin is because of the "hurry up" jingle basically covering up the swap iirc

Also running two audio sources is laggier, though probably not by much

[waxen crane]

yeah but the song restarts

in this

i think

[heavy dove]

I thought I coded it to continue from where the original song left off, maybe I'm remembering incorrectly

[waxen crane]

maybe it did

[heavy dove]

Tbf I haven't actually played my own mod that much aside from testing 💀

[waxen crane]

oh lol

[heavy dove]

The modder's fate, getting into modding to create gameplay and then playing less once becoming a modder

[waxen crane]

oof

[heavy dove]

(Tbf the group I usually play with don't play with lethalmin anyways)

(Also we basically haven't played since v80 came out, paco is super busy)

[waxen crane]

would it be possible to make the bag not need to be pushed again every time?

[heavy dove]

I was looking into that before I started on the interiors again, I want to have that and also have it save which walls you've broken down and stuff

Bridges etc

Would be a lot more fun probably

[waxen crane]

i know this was before lethalmin extras and even then i wouldnt know how u would add it

but

i was caught offguard by them carrying the nectar

[heavy dove]

Yeah i didn't really have any idea how to code them using it like real nectar lol

I just made it route to the onion instead at the time

[waxen crane]

yeah thats fair

[buoyant path]

Yknow if Lethals caves weren't utter horseshit sometimes, this would be cool

[heavy dove]

yeahhh

the new mineshaft layout seems better than before, but it's still my least favorite vanilla interior

[waxen crane]

I noticed theres more moons than i temember

Pikmin 1 AND 2, pikmin tree when?

And pikmin 4 might need to have separate moons for each of the landing sites with how big it is

For example: (i forgot the base names)
Sun speckled terrace - base 1

Sun speckled terrace - base 2

Same moon but the map is offset so that the ship is in the respective landing site

[dawn nacelle]

https://youtu.be/-RvyCd-L1Uk

I have an idea for the future. Could you add something to the Company Building (Moon: 71-Gordion) that allows players to use the treasures needed for the suit upgrades in Pikmin 2, instead of selling them?

[heavy dove]

I think i remember someone (twig?) Suggesting LGU integration with the exploration kit

[heavy dove]

This is way far off if it'll happen 💀

[heavy dove]

There is technically a single pikmin 3 moon in my files

Not anywhere near done though

[waxen crane]

Wdym

[sacred garden]

think they mean that any moon from pikmin 4 is probably not in this project's scope lol

[waxen crane]

fair enough

also for the pikmin 3 maps

the mission mode maps are too small

(most of them)

but the main maps are too big

gameplay-wise i mean

infact the pikmin 1 maps feel a bit empty because of their size

[heavy dove]

I mean that I want to add them eventually, but it'll be a while

[waxen crane]

i see

[heavy dove]

(I kind of want to cook a way to do the base moving thing, but like while you're landed)

[heavy dove]

True they are super large

[heavy dove]

Honestly 50/50 been considering shrinking the maps from .09 scale to .05 scale

The interiors and easter eggs are at .05

[waxen crane]

yeah

especially looking at the forest navel

it feels way too open because lc is first person

[heavy dove]

I do kind of want to shrink em, it's just such a huge undertaking

[waxen crane]

also i forgot because i didnt pay attention while playing it, are the decorations in the maps?

like the foliages

the decorative foliages i mean

[heavy dove]

Need to shrink every prefab, go into every animation and change the scale, shrink the map itself, shrink map-wide particle effects, basically tweak everything, plus easter eggs may be too displaced and I may have to move some

[heavy dove]

Ye

They rustle when you walk through em too

[waxen crane]

oh

thats a lot of work

[waxen crane]

ah ok

neat

[heavy dove]

Yeah it's a lot, and I've been wanting to get all the other updates I've been doing plus the interiors done for a while

(I've had prototype interiors in my project for quite some time)

[heavy dove]

Some of the foliage also has spectralids in it

[waxen crane]

also yeah when you do get around to pikmin 4 maps, the best i can think of is having multilpe moons registered that have the same map just offset so the different bases are at the spot the hsip lands (if i remember correctly the ship is forced to always land in the same place)

[waxen crane]

oh cool, didnt notice them

[heavy dove]

It does always land at the same place, I was thinking something like a script that shifts the whole map and all props/players when you move the base

But it'd probably be a nightmare to get working properly LOL

[waxen crane]

also i just realised for this it could be a config

[waxen crane]

yeah thats what i also thought of first a while ago

but also saving what base u had it at last

[heavy dove]

True, I could easily have onion spawns like you were saying as a config option

[waxen crane]

and also playing multiplayer, would it be possible to offset the players and dropped scrap

and enemies

and already landed item dropships

if you could get it to work

i can already picture it

your crewmates about to get into the ship

and then you move the base

OOH AND ALSO those caves that lead to a higher up area thats normally innacessible

i could imagine having those be fire exits

but would it be possible to have them guaranteed to spawn in the same sub-interior if you manage to get multiple different interiors to work

a lot of things coding are much easier said than done lol

[heavy dove]

Oh I totally forgot about caves that have a separate exit hole in pikmin 4

💀

Yeah there's a lot of stuff to figure out there

[dawn nacelle]

I'm sorry but Pikming 4 is just too large, The House map need like 6 section and trillions of gigabyte XD.
But the Rescue outpost is a good map.

[waxen crane]

Trial of the sage leaf entrance

And the uh

Tutorial cave the other entrance

[fast lion]

absolutely love the refractions in this item

[fast lion]

the wrapping of these candy items looks a bit strange when you see something through it

[fast lion]

(sorry if i spam this thread but i'll be sending things i notice that seem like errors, since i'm gonna be going through all the items)

such as: Creative Inspiration uses DropCan, which is inconsistent from all the other bottle cap items which use DropMetalObject1.

[heavy dove]

You're totally fine, I like suggestions and issue reports and stuff, I didn't notice the sound inconsistency

I want the wrapper to be slightly see-through, but maybe it shouldn't be due to how transparent materials work

[heavy dove]

thanks 🙂

[dawn nacelle]

It's paper thin

https://tenor.com/view/ratjam-rat-jam-jamming-rgb-gif-21572903

[wheat nexus]

Don't know if it was more company at fault or another mod but me and my bro have desync when it comes to the box on impact

[heavy dove]

hmm

[heavy dove]

thanks for this, it made me check the prefab and realize that the texture isn't clamped either

[heavy dove]

without clamp

with clamp

you can see the yellow part of the texture repeating at the edges without it clamped

also yeah i totally forgot to check if my holding positions for those would allow for inspecting

the 8 pellets aren't meant to be inspectable at all lol

i would like the other two to be inspectable, guess i could try tweaking the holding position

[fast lion]

ah i see